The bias and classic FUD against PS3..

[pari]

I do not know if this thread is necessary but the point is how many are aware about the FUD being propagated against PS3 especially in regards to the proprietary technology and whereas 360 does not have any proprietary format.

The classic line being SONY is pushing proprietary technology with PS3 Blu-ray like Betamax, UMD, MD.., while 360 does not have any proprietary technology.

1. Blu-ray is not SONY proprietary technology, its a consortium based technology that is open to anybody willing to join the consortium. SONY does not control the Blu-ray direction and cannot make any decision individually.

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq


Who developed Blu-ray?

The Blu-ray Disc format was developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of leading consumer electronics, personal computer and media manufacturers, with more than 170 member companies from all over the world. The Board of Directors currently consists of:

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment

The interface for Blu-ray disk uses a subset of Java programming language. 360 uses HD-DVD which also a consortium similar to Blu-ray. And MS is a member of the HD-DVD consortium.

2. PS3 uses standard hard disk that is user upgradable unlike the 360 which has proprietary interface and must be bought from MS.

3. PS3 uses Bluetooth interface for wireless connection and 360 uses proprietary wireless connection. Both Bluetooth and 360 use 2.4GHz RF signal. So with PS3 any device that meets the Bluetooth standard can be used (there are some issues that Sony needs to fix) unlike for 360.

4. PS3 uses CF, SD and Memory Stick, so anyone of these format can be used for making saves (though it might not be used), whereas the 360 uses proprietary memory card. Memory stick is proprietary format of SONY but can be bypassed by using either SD or CF card which is not possible in 360.

5. PS3 can run Linux OS and 360 runs a proprietary OS to which user has no access.

Now which of the console has more proprietary technology? I am just tried of the reading the FUD being spread about PS3. I see the same reliable MS FUD in action against PS3.

SONY for this generation has been more open than they have been, PS3 is not crammed with proprietary technology like 360.

[LiquidEagle]

Good info. I don't know how many times this stuff has to be repeated for some people to understand it...

[nwo504]

some people are just dumb and will believe whatever they want

[OmniCloud]

GREAT POST PARI! After a while though, you simply have to give up. Take this to the one up board, and see how you get 100 post of ignorance. Don't worry mate, as soon as PS3 shipments start to meet just half the demand, word-of-mouth will take it's course.

[julps31]

Nice post man. I might have to use it just in case any fanboys try to spew some garbage lol.

[mario25]

hey! what do you know!?...the 360 has more propietary technology than the ps3 ROFL!!!

[EvilTaru]

GREAT POST PARI! After a while though, you simply have to give up. Take this to the one up board, and see how you get 100 post of ignorance. Don't worry mate, as soon as PS3 shipments start to meet just half the demand, word-of-mouth will take it's course.

1UP thinks it's hip to bash the PS3 and obviously this might win them more MS ads, I don't know why they are trying so hard to bash the PS3 into the ground when clearly an inevitably successful PS3 is going to drive more game marketing and 1UP will end up benefitting from that if they stay on SCEA's good side (I'm not saying they should suck up to Sony but it's a matter of maintaining some basic respect, although I guess this is not the case anymore after the countless stunts they tried to pull).

It's really short-sighted on John Davison's part for the anti-Sony direction 1UP is taking, it has already cost them OPM. If they're the only game in town, maybe it doesn't matter to them as much but down the line when those SCEWW first-party PS3 hits arrive in 2007, and developers are going around giving interviews, this might just cost them an exclusive interview or two, they really have to watch out for that karma, because it might just come back and bite them right in the ass.

[mario25]

1UP thinks it's hip to bash the PS3 and obviously this might win them more MS ads, I don't know why they are trying so hard to bash the PS3 into the ground when clearly an inevitably successful PS3 is going to drive more game marketing and 1UP will end up benefitting from that if they stay on SCEA's good side (I'm not saying they should suck up to Sony but it's a matter of maintaining some basic respect, although I guess this is not the case anymore after the countless stunts they tried to pull).

It's really short-sighted on John Davison's part for the anti-Sony direction 1UP is taking, it has already cost them OPM. If they're the only game in town, maybe it doesn't matter to them as much but down the line when those SCEWW first-party PS3 hits arrive in 2007, and developers are going around giving interviews, this might just cost them an exclusive interview or two, they really have to watch out for that karma, because it might just come back and bite them right in the ass.


You know what?.....I really hope for all this ps3 hating garbage to turn around and bite them. Some people there (specially 1up editors) really show how biased towards microsoft they really are. Things are all crazy right now with the xbots invading every sony related thread with countless FUD and things taken out of context to have "professional" and "serious" web pages and magazines adding fuel to the fire. I'm glad sony pulled the demo from OPM, but they need to get tough or these lies and FUD will hit them hard.

[curryking1]

If you want FUD on the PS3, go no further than the one and only OCD of TXB. It's like it all stems from there or something, it's honestly PS3 FUD central.

It's not all FUD mind you, but when you get to the FUD, my my my, it comes in giant tidal waves.

[mario25]

If you want FUD on the PS3, go no further than the one and only OCD of TXB. It's like it all stems from there or something, it's honestly PS3 FUD central.

It's not all FUD mind you, but when you get to the FUD, my my my, it comes in giant tidal waves.

what's OCD of TXB?

[Garfunkel]

If you want FUD on the PS3, go no further than the one and only OCD of TXB. It's like it all stems from there or something, it's honestly PS3 FUD central.

It's not all FUD mind you, but when you get to the FUD, my my my, it comes in giant tidal waves.

opa ages is probably even worse.

[curryking1]

If it is, I don't want to know about it... lol!

OCD of TXB is the 'Other Consoles Discussion' at 'TeamXbox' forums, boards, whatever you want to call it.

It really shouldn't be called 'Discussion' anymore though... apparently it used to be ok about a year before the 360 launch (just a bit before E3 2005) but then it suddenly got out of hand with people trying to kick Sony in the nuts with smartass replies and comments. They didn't do it to Nintendo for a while because of 'Wii60' but now the Wii is out they seem to trash it too a lot...

Anyways, the title does not accurately describe what you see in there, the subject matter is far from what I would call discussion...

I started visiting the OCD just before it got all riled up with hating, because it pretty much had everything I wanted to know about in 1 section. PS2, PS3, and PC news basically. And Xbox news used to find it's way in nicely too, and I liked having to know about the big old Box too, so I would know about that as well. So before it was really good for me, but it just got out of hand somewhere along the line, and now you just get the PS3 news, just with lots of PS3 bashing, and then that's about it. Maybe some PC and Wii and respective bashing on the side every now and then as well.

[Applefiend]

To be honest the bias I'm bored of is the pro online squad based shooter, pro Western RPG bias of lots of sites. Anything that's like that gets rubber stamped with marks in the 9s, hushed awed previews, and the rest.

When what we're really talking about is cheap PC ports on consoles. Actual games crafted from the ground for consoles get marked down.

Some of us actually like console games... That's what some of the PS3 hate is about I think.

yeah, don't get involed with places like that. Definition of a fan boy: Guy who hates on great video games. Can't argue with those guys.

[ddaryl]

To be honest the bias I'm bored of is the pro online squad based shooter, pro Western RPG bias of lots of sites. Anything that's like that gets rubber stamped with marks in the 9s, hushed awed previews, and the rest.

When what we're really talking about is cheap PC ports on consoles. Actual games crafted from the ground for consoles get marked down.

Some of us actually like console games... That's what some of the PS3 hate is about I think.

yeah, don't get involed with places like that. Definition of a fan boy: Guy who hates on great video games. Can't argue with those guys.



I agree. I prefer the PS3 for its games, and I usually avoid the ports for a few reason. Mostly because ports are always inferior to the original and many ports have PC roots which doesn't offer a gaming experience that a console game designed for sed console can offer.

but as for FUD agains the PS3... I'll never understand it. I've actually soured on MS because of their lack or commitment to the type of games I want to play and purchase.

[Kabbage]

You know what?.....I really hope for all this ps3 hating garbage to turn around and bite them. Some people there (specially 1up editors) really show how biased towards microsoft they really are. I dont think it is biased towards Microsoft I get the feeling it is just a lot of unnecessary hate aimed in Sony's direction.

I cant fault them for preferring a console, but most people read articles to get as unbiased a look at the situation as possible not just the constant berating and tearing down of a single target -- which happens to be the Playstation 3 at the moment.

[Diresu]

Watch today's 1up podcast...towards the end they spend about good 10-15 minutes doing nothing but bashing the ps3. Granted some of it is deserved i guess but still...its every single podcast.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Good post, pari. Yeah people need to be educated, a lot of times they don't even know better.

[Phryne Astynome]

God, geeks/fanboys are embarassing.

[PUNK em 733]

You know guys, it's a beautiful thing when you watch ppl eat crow. Going into 2007-2008 with all the firmware upgrades, and lovely, lovely games, it's gonna be hard to talk shit, when your jaw is busy hitting the floor.

[Applefiend]

People just need to get over it's not a Wii or a 360, it's it's own system with it's own strength and weaknesses. Get over harping about the weaknesses and ignoring the strengths.

Today I wanted to put some music on my great big 120GB PS3 HDD(No, not an SD RAM card with 1 or 2GB for a Wii or a HDD with 13GB free max like 360), a loaded up itunes, dragged a bunch of albums to an iPod Directory, plugged in the iPod, copied all the music files over. 5GB of music effortlessly copied. Didn't even make a dent in the HDD.

So damn cool, only on PS3. Now I just need this music to be available as soundtracks on all games of course. :(

[Garfunkel]

here's an analogy - the console war is a lot like Starcraft. You have the zerg, (the wii) it is light, cheap but doesn't have the power of it's competitors, has some nifty advantages. You have the terran (the 360), an all arounder with decent capabilities. Won't change the world but has has some power.

And finally you have the Protoss (sp?) (the ps3), very expensive but has features and power to match the price tag and then some. Uses excellent new bleeding edge technology which no other has used as of yet and has a lot of potential.

[Applefiend]

At some point all this BS has to come to an end for major sites. I have a PS3, I'm looking for coverage of PS3 games, if they're continuing on some stupid crusade I'll just stop watching.

Oddly enough I'm watching the 1UP Show now on a PS3. iPod version plays great. :)

[pari]

And one more thing, software. PS3 is using more open source/standards based software than 360. Eclipse IDE open source, OpenGL based graphics API (cg is Nvidia proprietary), GCC open source compiler(Metroworks compiler is proprietary). DirectX is proprietary its not a standard based API. Just because its common does not mean its standard. Visual Studio is proprietary, compiler is proprietary... WMV is proprietary...

[pari]

Good post, pari. Yeah people need to be educated, a lot of times they don't even know better.

Information is out there it just need to be found..

[pari]

People just need to get over it's not a Wii or a 360, it's it's own system with it's own strength and weaknesses. Get over harping about the weaknesses and ignoring the strengths.

Today I wanted to put some music on my great big 120GB PS3 HDD(No, not an SD RAM card with 1 or 2GB for a Wii or a HDD with 13GB free max like 360), a loaded up itunes, dragged a bunch of albums to an iPod Directory, plugged in the iPod, copied all the music files over. 5GB of music effortlessly copied. Didn't even make a dent in the HDD.

Well said, still there would be articles complaining about transfering music to PS3..


So damn cool, only on PS3. Now I just need this music to be available as soundtracks on all games of course. :(

Sony's needs to do a software update to facilitate this. Interesting this software updated is now touted as a feature on this console industry due to MS. Earlier no updates to the console after release. Now incremental updates (meaning the console is still not completely ready) are the common thing. All credits to MS for this great feature...

[OmniCloud]

Well said, still there would be articles complaining about transfering music to PS3..



Sony's needs to do a software update to facilitate this. Interesting this software updated is now touted as a feature on this console industry due to MS. Earlier no updates to the console after release. Now incremental updates (meaning the console is still not completely ready) are the common thing. All credits to MS for this great feature...Well...PSP was doing this as well...so not all credit goes to MS..but yeah they did a lot of innovation in the online realm of consoles.

[OmniCloud]

here's an analogy - the console war is a lot like Starcraft. You have the zerg, (the wii) it is light, cheap but doesn't have the power of it's competitors, has some nifty advantages. You have the terran (the 360), an all arounder with decent capabilities. Won't change the world but has has some power.

And finally you have the Protoss (sp?) (the ps3), very expensive but has features and power to match the price tag and then some. Uses excellent new bleeding edge technology which no other has used as of yet and has a lot of potential.+Rep! That was a great analogy. One problem...I freakin LOVE the terran! In fact, I used it the most! I'm finding a much harder time respecting MS PR guys and picking up there system however....And the constant bashing against Sony when they're trying to actually innovate and do something new just pushed me even more in the "Sony defense team" I guess. Same thing for the Wii. I'm still not buying the 360 is the main gaming system of next-gen. Not until they convince me it's not Xbox 1.5-cuz all I'm seeing is prettier graphics.

Back on topic...PSINEXT is a great source of info...and we need more users like you pari bring it in..Kudos mate!

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'm reposting this on 1UP to see what happens. Nolink to PSINext, of course. Wish me luck, guys :wave:

[VG Aficionado]

Can I have your game collection after you've been lynched, Seph? :look:

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yeah, no prob, but you'll have to come to Dk for them. I'm not mailing them to you, lol!

[cliffbo]

Sephs first response at 1up LOL:

Apple, Apple, Apple Apple is the best....lalalaallalalal la la. Apple Apple Apple is so cool if I was you I'd get one too, lalalalalalalalallalalaalalalala.

BTW this is a little old and by little I mean really but it's nice to see how many companies support the BluRay format...can't wait to see some MacPros with BluRay...mmmmmmmmmmmm,

Apple Apple you are so cool, Apple Apple only fools go to school...


AKA The Drunkness!

[Applefiend]

It's funny cos it's true. :)

[OmniCloud]

I'm reposting this on 1UP to see what happens. Nolink to PSINext, of course. Wish me luck, guys :wave:Seph whats your name over there? I'm RedXll...

[OmniCloud]

I'm reposting this on 1UP to see what happens. Nolink to PSINext, of course. Wish me luck, guys :wave:Sephs whats your name over there? I'm RedXll. Currently in the "What the Cell is Going on Thread?"

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'm Sephiroth_VII ;)

Here's a linky (http://boards.1up.com/zd/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=33185) to the thread. You're welcome to drop by and give some support:salute:.

[VG Aficionado]

Interestingly, they seem to say that there will be a PS3 version of Lost Planet. But they also said a while ago that RE5 could be a PS3 exclusive, so...

http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/Podcasts/120106.mp3

[rpgamer_2k5]

RE will obviously sell a lot more on the PS3. REs always sold impressive numbers on the PS. Even the fourth which was inferior to the GC version visually racked bigger numbers. It's already over 1.8 million and that means it eclipsed the GC sales in a few months.

[woundingchaney]

RE will obviously sell a lot more on the PS3. REs always sold impressive numbers on the PS. Even the fourth which was inferior to the GC version visually racked bigger numbers. It's already over 1.8 million and that means it eclipsed the GC sales in a few months.

Wouldnt this primarily depend on market percentage.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah...that has a lot to do with more people owning ps2s than gamecubes in the first place.

[mario25]

I'm Sephiroth_VII ;)

Here's a linky (http://boards.1up.com/zd/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=33185) to the thread. You're welcome to drop by and give some support:salute:.

I would If I had the nerve to go there :cry2:

[rpgamer_2k5]

Wouldnt this primarily depend on market percentage. Sure it would, but if you look at past RE titles, you'd see figures much higher than 2 million in US alone just for RE1 /w Director's Cut included, 1.30m in Japan and probably around the same in Europe. There were around 6-7m PSX units worldwide. The GameCube wasn't that far off from 15-17m when RE released. It touched 20m in around December of that year.

The majority of the sales was when the original was released and that was round 1996 while Director's Cut was released in September 1997 in North America. I still remember picking it up at Zellers and there were around 22.5m of PS2s around. Resident Evil 2 released in Jan 1998 on the PSX and the Dual Shock version released fall 1998. There are 28.2m PSX worldwide. RE2 sold around 2m copies in US alone. RE4 sold less than 1.8m units. Now lets take the figure double it up to 3m (since it's a 2:1 ratio; PSX:GC), it's not that far off from 2m for NA alone, but add 2.30m from Japan and I wouldn't be surprised if its that high in Europe as well.

In sum, Resident Evil has more rabid fans on the Sony than Nintendo. I know many who picked up the GC just for Resident Evil.

Capcom was trying to bridge the sales between the GC and PS2 by annoucing RE as an exclusive. I don't blame them, an equal-market would give 3rd party developers greater bargaining power plus an RE exclusive is enough to get Sony on their toes and respect third-party developers. Thanks to many developers, the PS3 is said to be a lot more friendly minus shortage. ^_^

[julps31]

I hate 1up. I registered a while back and can't remember my password. So of course i type in my e-mail to find my pass and it tells me that the e-mail adress doesn't exist (matter fact its mispelled exit LOL) in our system. I try to register with the same adress and tells me its already in use. Wah?? I might have to register under another e-mail adress.

But i'll hop in that thread and do some damage controller if i ever get logged in lol. And tell that last guy that posted that several of those games are multi-platform lol. Is that the best list he can come up with?

[F089/H]

You know guys, it's a beautiful thing when you watch ppl eat crow. Going into 2007-2008 with all the firmware upgrades, and lovely, lovely games, it's gonna be hard to talk shit, when your jaw is busy hitting the floor.

The words,there they are...ripped straight from my mind.

[venomv]

here's an analogy - the console war is a lot like Starcraft. You have the zerg, (the wii) it is light, cheap but doesn't have the power of it's competitors, has some nifty advantages. You have the terran (the 360), an all arounder with decent capabilities. Won't change the world but has has some power.

And finally you have the Protoss (sp?) (the ps3), very expensive but has features and power to match the price tag and then some. Uses excellent new bleeding edge technology which no other has used as of yet and has a lot of potential.

Good analogy....+REP

P.S. I like the new rep interface.

[frosty]

P.S. I like the new rep interface.


Thank Omega for that.

[Garfunkel]

thanks for the rep guys!

*thinks of more analogies*

[Zer0-Sum]

here's an analogy - the console war is a lot like Starcraft. You have the zerg, (the wii) it is light, cheap but doesn't have the power of it's competitors, has some nifty advantages. You have the terran (the 360), an all arounder with decent capabilities. Won't change the world but has has some power.

And finally you have the Protoss (sp?) (the ps3), very expensive but has features and power to match the price tag and then some. Uses excellent new bleeding edge technology which no other has used as of yet and has a lot of potential.

I also agree with this analogy.

To me in year or so, the Cell will be shown to the true edge between PS3 and 360 in terms of raw power. As far as potential goes, the factor BluRay's storage capacity cannot be stressed enough. Blue Dragon on 360 has already hit 18 Gigs in compressed form. Uncompressed it is 30!! 30 freaking gigs!! That means 3 DVD's. Next Gen and already into multiple discs? Very poor show Microsoft IMO. 50 gigs is enough space for game for years and years.

[Sephiroth_VII]

But i'll hop in that thread and do some damage controller if i ever get logged in lol. And tell that last guy that posted that several of those games are multi-platform lol. Is that the best list he can come up with?

Yeah, I didn't think that even half of the games he mentioned were AAA's. Anyway, you're welcome to write a new list, since the "Edit" function seems to have died on me. :dur:

[Applefiend]

Yeah, thought that was a bad list too. :) Rather than "Look at how few good 360 games you have, your system teh s00xx0rsaurus", better to make up a list of "Here's the games you PS3 haters are missing out on, you cool with that".

And a second list, here's the exclusive blu rays you miss out on.

[FantasyGhost]

I'm Sephiroth_VII ;)

Here's a linky (http://boards.1up.com/zd/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=33185) to the thread. You're welcome to drop by and give some support:salute:.Someone should answer a few questions on that thread i think :lol:

[cliffbo]

analogy: the console war is like your favourite pet. the Nintendo is the happy wagging tail, Sony are the dogs bollocks and MS are er..... can't think of one at the moment... ;)

[Fats]

The excrement that the dog leaves on the pavement?

[masteratt]

Hahaha ;)

*loves a bit of MS hating* :angel:

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'd appreciate some backup over there. Some of them sound like they only have 35% functioning brainmass.

EDIT: Lol!! One of them says the HS looks bad!!!

[cliffbo]

The excrement that the dog leaves on the pavement?

i didn't say that Wounding LOL

[masteratt]

I'd sppreciate some backup over there. Some of them sound like they only have 35% functioning brainmass.
Don't lower yourself to them man.

[Fats]

Seph, what's the point? You're just wasting valuable minutes of your life. Battling retards on the Internets is umpossible!

[cliffbo]

Seph, what's the point? You're just wasting valuable minutes of your life. Battling retards on the Internets is umpossible!

there are a few balanced opinions over there to be fair though fellas.

[mario25]

analogy: the console war is like your favourite pet. the Nintendo is the happy wagging tail, Sony are the dogs bollocks and MS are er..... can't think of one at the moment... ;)

A stray dog with rabies??

[Fats]

there are a few balanced opinions over there to be fair though fellas.

By all means, that's fair enough, I'm speaking more in general terms though.

[karibu]

BTW, how much are PS3 games??
Doubt they are 100$ like people predicted.

[frosty]

$59.99

[julps31]

Lol yep..no more then your average 360 game. I never thought any different tho. The disc itself is really only a little more expensive then your average dvd. Litterally...a few dollars more at most lol.

[VG Aficionado]

Lol yep..no more then your average 360 game. I never thought any different tho. The disc itself is really only a little more expensive then your average dvd. Litterally...a few dollars more at most lol.But there is no need to make region specific PS3 discs. Surely that saves some money.

[OmniCloud]

I like the new smaller Blu-ray cases to be honest...Just looks cooler..

[FantasyGhost]

And for people claiming GeoW looks better then any game the PS3 has shown to date...

Here's why it looks so good:
Unreal Engine 3 was disigned for this type of games. not to mention Epic know just the ins and out of there own engine lik nobody else does. And they actually showed off a few GeoW characters on the E3 2004 event. So if they released it just now they actually had like 2,5y of development on this game.

www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9091
www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9404
www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml

So instead of comparing GeoW with any other game to date, wait till UT 2007 comes out on the PS3. And let then the comparing begin.

[Zer0-Sum]

So instead of comparing GeoW with any other game to date, wait till UT 2007 comes out on the PS3. And let then the comparing begin.

Hell yah man. Aint that the truth right there ^^^^^^^! I can't wait frankly. I just can't wait for the mud slinging to intensify right before it dose come out. I can imagine all the X-Bot fanboys screeching "It wont look as good as Gears of War!! It can't! PS3 is tha sux0rs and 360 is tha r0xo0rs!!!" Or something like that.....

[Applefiend]

I liked Gears of War, then 8 hours later it was over. :) 10 hours my butt. :)

I mean, you know, I don't think it's the game of the year by far. I wonder if the average Joe taking Gears home to his SD TV and XBox Live Silver with no broadband thinks that either. It was a good 8 hours with some very decent game design and some of the best graphics I've seen but come on now... Give the guys who don't play games online something more.

But here this morning in my hot little hand is Zelda Twilight Princess, now that may be game of the year.

[Garfunkel]

really? 8 hours? shit! and people thought God of war was short.

[VG Aficionado]

And for people claiming GeoW looks better then any game the PS3 has shown to date...I think MotorStorm or F1 look better than GeOW with superior physics and particle effects, sharpness, AA and whatnot... they're a different genre, but if we consider "everything", then it has to be everything :shrug: Anyway, I'm quite fed up of Rein's commentaries and the love he has for absolute terms and moody bitchin'. He's just not right, same as it's not fair to say that 360 is not next gen worthy, but PS3 is totally next gen, only that it hasn't had the time to shine too much yet, but it will very soon if it hasn't already.

[Applefiend]

Oh god no, Gears of War looks much better than F1 or Motorstorm. Like Final Fight looks better than Double Dragon. GoW has moments that will actually take your breath away they look so good.

Yeah, I think if you play it on hardcore it'll last you at least the ten hours, but on the normal mode(called Casual), you can bang through it in 7 to 8 hours, and you'll die and get stuck on some areas a lot. GoW came and went at my house in a day and a half.

On a lot of 360 titles the single player is considered just a "warm up" to get you used to the controls so you can play the main game, which is the online. I really hate this.

But yup, it's true. Unreal 3.0 the soul of Gow isn't exactly a rare engine, and I have a feeling it may run better on PS3. 360 is getting a lot of graphics kudos through the use of the best engines, like Unreal 3.0, whoch haven't surfaced on PS3 yet, but they will.

At the end of the day:

Resistance: Kept me enterained for a week of pretty damn good gaming and free online
Gears of War: Kept me enthralled for a day and a half of awesome gaming
Zelda TP: Will keep me entertained for a month. And no waving my hands about either

I'd score the games:

Resistance: 9.2
Gears: 9.0
Zelda: 9.6

In other words... It's all good baby.

[Sephiroth_VII]

there are a few balanced opinions over there to be fair though fellas.

That's true, 1UP has some very good members, but most of them are idiots.

EDIT: Lol!!!


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[Garfunkel]

you broke it!

[FantasyGhost]

"You are the One, Sephiroth_VII. You see, you may have spent the last few years looking for me, but I have spent my entire life looking for you."

"1UP is a website, Sephiroth_VII. That website is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that site and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the site, that they will fight to protect it."

Now follow the White Rabbit...

[VG Aficionado]

:laugh:

[Sephiroth_VII]

"You are the One, Sephiroth_VII. You see, you may have spent the last few years looking for me, but I have spent my entire life looking for you."

"1UP is a website, Sephiroth_VII. That website is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that site and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the site, that they will fight to protect it."

Now follow the White Rabbit...

ROFL!!!!! Seriously, I did ROFL when I read that!

[curryking1]

O dear FantasyGhost that was awesome. I got to the businessmen teachers part before I realised what you used. Then I jumped to the end hahaha follow the white rabbit, awesome stuff!

[F089/H]

I liked Gears of War, then 8 hours later it was over. :) 10 hours my butt. :)


I heard That! Although on Insane,the Length of the game is supposedlyis 3 times longer than Casual or Hardcore

I mean, you know, I don't think it's the game of the year by far. I wonder if the average Joe taking Gears home to his SD TV and XBox Live Silver with no broadband thinks that either.


Even though GOW did move consoles and sell more gold memberships (50% more)
and who you calling Silver!? Sike,I love this free online play with my PS3 out of the box !I just remembered that you were a Silver member too..:drunks: :doh:


[QUOTE=deadboyz;1319133]Hell yah man. Aint that the truth right there ^^^^^^^! I can't wait frankly. I just can't wait for the mud slinging to intensify right before it dose come out. I can imagine all the X-Bot fanboys screeching "It wont look as good as Gears of War!! It can't! PS3 is tha sux0rs and 360 is tha r0xo0rs!!!" Or something like that.....


Now I heard all the BullShit "Gears Can't be done on PS3/256MB "I can take From Mr.Rein and the Xbots.He knows thats Bullshit.It makes him look like a Damned Retard for being a VP of a well respected development company
and not knowing,much less adding 2 pools of RAM together.256+256=256?Only an Xbot or a Fully Transformed Dumbass could have thought that up. ..3 cores@3.2Ghz each=9.6 GHz of power! Remember that one!!! And someone on here was like"In that case then 7 cores@3.2Ghz each 22.4Ghz!!!!:mad: and then I posted it on a Forum,in context-Fully.And "They"(Xbots) said it doesn't work that way for the PS3...!:mad: It doesn't work that way for any Processor/Core/Architechure,Stupid@S53S


That's true, 1UP has some very good members, but most of them are idiots.
Don't even bother...
EDIT: Lol!!!


On a side note..
What if Epic does us wrong and UT2K7 doesn't look as good as It should,much less Gears.

[masteratt]

On a side note..
What if Epic does us wrong and UT2K7 doesn't look as good as It should,much less Gears.
Forget about that man, I am still a bit weary about it coming to the PS3.

Epic keeps whining about how tough the PS3 is to develop for compared to their beloved PC like X360 and the last news I heard of UT2KY was that Epic said they were having problems configuring the UE3 engine to run at PS3 (couldn't find source).

Also when was it ever said that UT2KY would come to PS3?
Sorry for being pessimistic but I LOOOOVE the UT series and I don't want to get false hope that I will play it on my PS3.

[VG Aficionado]

Also when was it ever said that UT2KY would come to PS3?
Sorry for being pessimistic but I LOOOOVE the UT series and I don't want to get false hope that I will play it on my PS3.Maybe when they demonstrated UE 3.0 up and running at E3 2005 on the PS3 even though they had only spent 2 months on it?

Epic keeps whining about how tough the PS3 is to develop for compared to their beloved PC like X360 and the last news I heard of UT2KY was that Epic said they were having problems configuring the UE3 engine to run at PS3 (couldn't find source).Maybe that's why they got an old build running at 49 fps a long while ago (OPM) :huh:

[masteratt]

Although your sarcastic and patronising approach is not welcomed, the information you gave is :thumpsup:

[VG Aficionado]

:-p

UT2K7 is definately coming to PS3 and PC, even though they seem to be taking a lot of time to show either version or to release a demo. Besides the real time demo at E3 2005, they also showed a limited gameplay demo on PS3 at GDC last March. They haven't shown it again since then, even though there's a trailer from Leipzig's Game Conference, PC version probably.

[EvilTaru]

Forget about that man, I am still a bit weary about it coming to the PS3.

Epic keeps whining about how tough the PS3 is to develop for compared to their beloved PC like X360 and the last news I heard of UT2KY was that Epic said they were having problems configuring the UE3 engine to run at PS3 (couldn't find source).

Also when was it ever said that UT2KY would come to PS3?
Sorry for being pessimistic but I LOOOOVE the UT series and I don't want to get false hope that I will play it on my PS3.

By the time UT2K7 comes out, I think first-party developers will have made big enough strides with the hardware that we will begin to see the difference between projects dedicated to the PS3 versus multiplatform projects also on the PS3, at least from a technical standpoint, heck we're already seeing it with Motorstorm and F1, and those are just first-generation games.

[Viper]

So instead of comparing GeoW with any other game to date, wait till UT 2007 comes out on the PS3. And let then the comparing begin.

This is why many people are having a problem with the PS3. Wait for this, wait for that, wait, wait, wait. That is why that site, ThisIsWaiting, caught on so well because it spoke truth behind the cynicism and sarcasm.

Once UT launches and if X360 has something equal or greater, we'll hear the 'wait for...' battle cry again.

Some people are simply getting tired of waiting.

[Domination]

And for people claiming GeoW looks better then any game the PS3 has shown to date...

Here's why it looks so good:
Unreal Engine 3 was disigned for this type of games. not to mention Epic know just the ins and out of there own engine lik nobody else does. And they actually showed off a few GeoW characters on the E3 2004 event. So if they released it just now they actually had like 2,5y of development on this game.

www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9091
www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9404
www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml

So instead of comparing GeoW with any other game to date, wait till UT 2007 comes out on the PS3. And let then the comparing begin.

Older members here knew this for quite some time already. i remember when the footage was first posted. Someone let the cat out of the bage too soon. Those were the days. But anyway, there's more to the story than what you may think.

[VG Aficionado]

Some people are simply getting tired of waiting.Even though it's true PS3 will start getting a good number of great games in 2007 rather than at the end of this year, I don't see where's the major problem with "some" people who don't want to wait. Early adopters don't decide the fate of the console, as it will be decided later on by the amount if people who demand it in the next five years and the ability to deliver in that time.

In the end, most of those "some" who get tired of waiting are not that important. You either want it and its games or not. Would everyone buy a different product that may not give you what you're looking for just because you don't have anything else to do while waiting? I wouldn't. But I have many things to do as well.

[Viper]

I'm speaking in regards to the vocal online community. You are correct in the grand scheme it means little. I should have clarified. "Wait for..." has simply been the battle cry for the past year+ and many people from the vocal online community are growing weary of not only hearing it but having to actually do it especially when faced with the stiff competition it has now.

With that odd announcement of the PS4 in 2010, how far from "Wait for PS4" are we?

[OmniCloud]

I'm speaking in regards to the vocal online community. You are correct in the grand scheme it means little. I should have clarified. "Wait for..." has simply been the battle cry for the past year+ and many people from the vocal online community are growing weary of not only hearing it but having to actually do it especially when faced with the stiff competition it has now.

With that odd announcement of the PS4 in 2010, how far from "Wait for PS4" are we?Agreed...that's why I only post here! Trying to convince people to wait, or this is better is stupid--It's all about the "WOW" games...Whenever Sony delivers it, we won't have to defend whatsoever, because the games will speak for us. I think the Wii is already doing this early because of it's focus on control and interface rather than steep/new technology. But I'm honestly really most excited about PS3-It's like the "million dollar baby" the potential is HUGE for what this system can do..

[PUNK em 733]

"You are the One, Sephiroth_VII. You see, you may have spent the last few years looking for me, but I have spent my entire life looking for you."

"1UP is a website, Sephiroth_VII. That website is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that site and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the site, that they will fight to protect it."

Now follow the White Rabbit...



:Carrot: :quagmire: :laugh:

[Fillibuster]

^LOL That was awesome

[gozirah]

Viper, I guess you are right. The FUD has been fueled by waiting. Also, I have a pet theory that some folks are annoyed with themselves because they want one yet are uncomfortable with the launch price. Perhaps gamers intrinsically have little patience.

[Viper]

Correct, the price is a major psychological and monetary barrier for many gamers. It simply compounds the frustrations felt when you hear, "Wait for..." and a major price tag hanging over it.

The problem with patience, or lack there of, is that we used to not have to wait. Consoles launched with amazing new titles and more amazing titles came pretty quickly. Did the SNES/Genesis war debates ever include the line, "Wait for...."? Nope. N64/Playstation? Nope.

As the development time has increased and the vocal capabilities of gamers increased (thank you Internet), we have an era of gamers that are being forced to wait longer than they've ever had to before.

Much of the FUD we see is only partially attributed to fanboyism. The rest is simply because times have changed. Our expectations that were catered by previous generations are not being met this round. It's only natural that those accustomed to a specific cycle in the industry be vocal when it changes, in their perception, for the worse.

[Garfunkel]

Correct, the price is a major psychological and monetary barrier for many gamers. It simply compounds the frustrations felt when you hear, "Wait for..." and a major price tag hanging over it.

The problem with patience, or lack there of, is that we used to not have to wait. Consoles launched with amazing new titles and more amazing titles came pretty quickly. Did the SNES/Genesis war debates ever include the line, "Wait for...."? Nope. N64/Playstation? Nope.

As the development time has increased and the vocal capabilities of gamers increased (thank you Internet), we have an era of gamers that are being forced to wait longer than they've ever had to before.

Much of the FUD we see is only partially attributed to fanboyism. The rest is simply because times have changed. Our expectations that were catered by previous generations are not being met this round. It's only natural that those accustomed to a specific cycle in the industry be vocal when it changes, in their perception, for the worse.

this has obviously been brought about by the Internet. I mean who here was actively posting on gaming forums >12 years ago? Nobody, or very few.

The Internet has dramatically increased our sense of awareness about gaming, nothing sneaks under the radar. For example; if a console was delayed during the pre ps1 days the news was barely heard by gamers. Now days the speculation is all over the place, it can be doom and gloom or super enthusiastic - completely overdone. We are more knowledgeable about this then we ever have been in the past.

[EvilTaru]

The problem isn't raised expectations (you're telling me that console launches were better back then?) or having to wait (wait for WHAT? You mean someone with a PS3 can't occupy his time with Resistance or RR7, or the Motorstorm demo for that matter?), the problem is there are people who are spending more time yapping about this console war crap than actually playing games (and I'm as guilty as anyone out there). The fact that internet gaming sites are pandering to that population in hope of getting more hits, and more importantly, trying to deepen the divide between fans on opposite sides with FUD and constant console-bashing.

Is anyone seriously going to tell me that I can't go and play FFXII, or Okami, or Yakuza, or Bully, or any of the high quality releases for the PS2 in the last three months, every one of those totally worth playing and any real gamer should at least try to get a hold of them all and play them all? Is anyone seriously going to tell me that he or she has played them all already and has absolutely nothing to play in the next few months?

Want to stop the FUD? Don't go to 1UP. Don't download the podcasts. Don't bother listening to these self-proclaimed pundits.

[FantasyGhost]

Since we're on the wait subject, it think that most games, except for Gundam, are on par with the 2nd and 3rd shipment games of the XBOX 360. The only game that's looking actually better is GeoW, which took them since the console was released a year to wait for it. The problem now is that there aren't that many 1st and 2nd party games on the system yet. Except for GeoW MS doen't have that many exclusives this fall, and the next few months to come.

[VG Aficionado]

N64/Playstation? Nope.Actually, yes. I remember the very same situation with PS3 and 360 right now. I actually remember a Nintendo rep chatting in a radio show stating that they kept on delaying the N64 launch due to "increasing demand", to buy themselves some more time to produce enough units. PS1 had been available for a year and a half.

[F089/H]

What exactly is FUD?

[Applefiend]

Fear, uncertainty and doubt. It's how IBM used to sell computers. If you put fear in the mind of your customers you can sell them inferior old crap.

I was just on a PS3 irc channel.

Each one of them bitching about PS3. "PS3 does nothing innovative, it has no good games, every cross platform 360 game looks better, what's the point of running Linux when you can buy a $300 PC that'll do it, I stopped playing PS2 4 years ago, even people in Japan aren't buying PSP, why pay $600 just to run Linux.".

I tried talking to these buggers for 5 minutes, got bored, and just said "Well Resistance is great, there are more great games coming in March, all exclusive, frankly screw the lot of you." :)

I swear they must have all this preprogrammed on hotkeys. I don't think you get all this crap on Wii/360 channels.

[VG Aficionado]

I would have typed: "If you dislike PS3 so much, how come you're here?", but the replies would have been too obvious.

[Applefiend]

That puzzled me too. Why are they on a ps3 channel 24/7 when they hate it so much? It's so weird. The entire channel full of these idiots.

You don't see me hanging out on the "Slamming your genitals in a door channel".

"Hey you people slamming those doors.... I think it's bad. You shouldn't do it. really..."

And there's always the ones who go "Hey, I know PS3 sucks, I have one". Well... I have one. I like it. If you've paid all that money for something you didn't like, you're kinda stupid. Because you saw all the previews and knew what the launch line up was.... Kinda dumb.

"I bought this thing and it was all "Blu Ray movie" this, "Resistance" that, I couldn't believe it!"

If you want to join in the fun, it's #ps3 on efnet btw. :)

[Red_Eyes]

Questions and Answers:

Q: Why pay $600 for a PS3 just to run Linux?
A: Why pay $500 for a 360 that can't run Linux?

[Applefiend]

A: Why do they play games at all, they seem to hate everything. :)

Shame to see a potential hangout ruined by barbarians...

[Viper]

Questions and Answers:

Q: Why pay $600 for a PS3 just to run Linux?
A: Why pay $500 for a 360 that can't run Linux?

Q: Why are you paying $500 for a 360?

[Red_Eyes]

Q: Why are you paying $500 for a 360?
A: Games, controllers, wireless network adaptor, etc.

[rpgamer_2k5]

^^Xbox 360 plus Live. Maybe a HD-DVD add-on for movie nuts.

[Applefiend]

Don't forget the charge and play kit. :)

[Garfunkel]

and an external fan to cool the thing down due to lack of appropriate cooling measures. Oh and a noise reduction kit, and a three legged baby.

[PUNK em 733]

and an external fan to cool the thing down due to lack of appropriate cooling measures. Oh and a noise reduction kit.




:laugh:

[masonite]

this has obviously been brought about by the Internet. I mean who here was actively posting on gaming forums >12 years ago? Nobody, or very few.

The Internet has dramatically increased our sense of awareness about gaming, nothing sneaks under the radar. For example; if a console was delayed during the pre ps1 days the news was barely heard by gamers. Now days the speculation is all over the place, it can be doom and gloom or super enthusiastic - completely overdone. We are more knowledgeable about this then we ever have been in the past.

hit the nail on the head there. The internet is the reason theres so much FUD. Not because of fanboys or anything like that, but because theres so much competition. Gamers are obviously the ones who use the internet the most, at least for recreational reasons (and not just for porn ;)). And as a result the internet creates a huge captive audience for gaming sites. Before the internet, there was a few tv stations, and a few newspapers for people to get information from. as well as a few mags. Thanks to the internet, there are still the same amount of mags, newspapers and tv stations, but millions and millions of web sites - and they're all competing for your hits. if they created a story called "ps3 could possibly be delayed, but its unlikely because they've already stated it wont happen" no one would really care that much. but if they say "PS3 not coming out" or "Sony lies about playstation 3" then everyone starts hitting it.

Its done to get more hits, and it can be seen from the forums around the net that it works pretty well. Its a bit like services such as shoutwire - everyone is competing to get the story out, and as a result instead of having an up to date and comprehensive news service, you get a whole lot of misleading story headings, designed to sensationalise the story and get your attention.

[Garfunkel]

and as we all know, bad news gets more coverage.