Yes-it's Me has turned me into a Linux Believer!!!

[OmniCloud]

For any people out there on the fence about JUMPING in-DO IT!!! Trust me, it will be difficult, but everyday I'm learning something new. Tweaking the font of my desktop and browser. Stretching my icon images big and small. Running some of the most graphical extensive screen savers I've ever seen pre-installed. It's like having FULL control of everything on your PC. Everything that goes in, everything that it runs, how it runs, and how much you want running at the same time. Just multi-tasking with the ease of switching between windows and then switching to an entire different desktop page is totally NEW and FRESH! Can you tell I'm excited? And it seems I'm just scratching the surface! I've yet to even get a Digital camera so who knows what I'll be able to do with Gimp. On youtube I'm seeing people flip there 3D desktops, playing 8 or 9 movies at once, and just all sorts of crazy customization that I never thought was this easy to get into. Trust me...all you need is a good weekend with no distractions and it's fairly easy to get up and running. I have no idea what I'm doing in the terminal but users across the world has made it easy to simply copy and paste many of the command lines that scare away windows users. In just a few days..with the help for posters here and from the Ubuntu forums, I've managed to mirror most of my applications from windows. Frostwire/Mplayer/Amarok/FireFox/Gimp/OfficeSpace/it's just incredible how much customization some of these apps offer. I gotta go read up some more because I've yet to dive into the apps that really set the Linux community apart from other OS's...

Just give it a try...I think it will be well worth it...

[D3adcell]

I tried it and I liked it. Really like the multi panes or whatever you call them. So if one by chance crashes you just switch over to another one. Though the thing I don't like about it and reason I am not switching is lack of support. If it ran all the games and programs I use then I would, but since it doesn't, i'm a little hesitant to jump on board.

[BugenhagenXIII]

Wanna see something really cool? Open up a terminal and type

telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

and hit enter.

[Garfunkel]

I am glad you like Linux/ubuntu, most don't get this far this fast, trust me the hardest part is over. What is your username at the ubuntu forums?

Wanna see something really cool? Open up a terminal and type

telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

and hit enter.

+rep to you, that was brilliant!

I tried it and I liked it. Really like the multi panes or whatever you call them. So if one by chance crashes you just switch over to another one. Though the thing I don't like about it and reason I am not switching is lack of support. If it ran all the games and programs I use then I would, but since it doesn't, i'm a little hesitant to jump on board.

ah this is where you are very much mistaken my good friend, Linux has great support, you are likely to run many of your favorite windows applications on Linux with wine, or you could run Linux and install a virtual server and run windows completely under linux.

(i do that and still have good performance with games like quake 3 etc)

[OmniCloud]

I'm OmniCloud over there buddy...

Do you do that Terminal trick by yourself? Freakin Awesome!

I'll post my updates again 2morrow and tell all my trouble spots!

[Garfunkel]

lol didn't notice you over there till just now.

[D3adcell]

But, are you able to run FEAR at max settings, or Crysis when it comes out etc?

[Dark_Cloud]

Yeah, linux is pretty cool. My computer doesn't crash/freeze nearly as much as windows. But at the same time I'm not putting anywhere near as much crap on it, so that might help also.

[BugenhagenXIII]

But, are you able to run FEAR at max settings, or Crysis when it comes out etc?

Games are the only reason I dual boot with windows. And I've made an effort to not buy anymore PC games. Last one was Oblivion. I'm not too into PC gaming anyway, so switching to mostly linux doesn't affect me that much.

It's not for the hardcore gamer though. Most, if not all, games by id Software run natively on linux. But other than that, there's not much. So if you game, it's perfectly reasonable to stick to windows.

[Garfunkel]

Games are the only reason I dual boot with windows. And I've made an effort to not buy anymore PC games. Last one was Oblivion. I'm not too into PC gaming anyway, so switching to mostly linux doesn't affect me that much.

It's not for the hardcore gamer though. Most, if not all, games by id Software run natively on linux. But other than that, there's not much. So if you game, it's perfectly reasonable to stick to windows.

this is the only reason i still dual boot also, but it pisses me off because on windows if i want to just use it for games i still need anti-virus/firewall etc. that annoys me when i'm playing online

[Teh Roxor!]

I don't ever play PC games, so I have absolutely no windows installations any more. I have Kubuntu on my laptop and Gentoo on my Desktop.

OmniCloud, have you tried setting up Beryl? Beryl does that awesome 3D desktop flipping.

[Garfunkel]

I think he is getting everything set up exactly the way he wants to before he sets up beryl, ubuntu makes it a sinch to install it on.

[Ravster]

^Been thinking of changing to Linux for quite some time now. But have never actually seen Linux running on a comp before.



In what ways is it better?

[Garfunkel]

^Been thinking of changing to Linux for quite some time now. But have never actually seen Linux running on a comp before.



In what ways is it better?

1. Linux is far more secure than windows, windows at last count has over 80,000 known viral exploits while Linux systems has a total of less then 40. Non of these 40 have ever resulted in a large scale attack, none have been wide-spread or critically dangerous.

Spyware is basically inexistent on Linux

You may think this is because Linux is not used by much of the general population but this assumption is very incorrect - LInux was originally designed for security and for a virus to run many prerequisites must be met, for example: if i were to run a virus on my installation I would have to give user rights to the virus allowing me to execute the code.

Contrary to what some ignorant fools may tell you, Linux would get MORE secure as popularity increases. You will not need a virus/spyware scanner on Linux as a general user. I never have and never need to.

2. Linux is free, not just free as in free beer but free as in free speech. Not only are the vast vast majority of applications of Linux free of charge but they allow you to edit the application in any way you wish to improve the application for your specific needs ("open source"), This is part of the reason Linux is so secure, in the rare occasion that anyone will get a virus/malicious code on the computer, any developers will know EXACTLY where the code is and its effects, allowing them to fix it far quicker and easier then microsoft.

3. Linux is capable of running on virtually every architecture there is, it runs on mobile phones and the most powerful of supercomputers. It scales very well and can be blazingly fast compared to proprietary systems.

4. LInux has a great community of people/developers who are very friendly and are very very welcome to new comers, for example; the ubuntu forums is one of the largest distro specific communities on the internet and on there you can find virtually anything you need.

5. Linux is all about choice, you do not need to install things like windows media player or internet explorer like you do in the windows world, there are many distributions ("distros") which cater to different audiences and users of different needs, these come with an assortment of applications that can be removed/installed easily and without question, if you don't want something you don't have to have it.

6. Linux is easy to install, customize and install applications on. Many Linux distributions such as Ubuntu are freely downloadable from the developers website, these are CD/DVD images that can be put on a cd/dvd and the computer can boot directly off of them - so you don't need a HDD, but if you desire to install the Linux distro to your HDD, you can, the installation process is very easy and consists of easy questions.

AFter installation, Your linux can be configured and customized just the way you like just by fiddling about in menus and wizards.

Linux is also easy to install programs to, in many distros there is a set list of repositories which contain thousands of packages of software which can be installed with just a few clicks, easier then int he proprietary world in many ways. You can install dozens of applications at the same time.

7. You can run Linux along side your windows installation, this is known as a "dual boot": when you start your computer you can select which operating system to run.

Please feel free to PM me if you are interested in installing/using Linux on your computer.

[OmniCloud]

Seriously, Yes-it's-me is not 16 guys! LOL....

Yeah, I also a console only gamer-so Linux works for me just fine...I'm still trying to get some terminal commands down, and trying to figure out how to remove programs from the terminal (that seems to be the more secure way to make sure an application is completely gone) So I'll hold out on the Beryl stuff for now...But I definitely will be the first one to post here when I'm ready guys!!!

Linux FTW!

In fact since I'm here...I'm trying to remove this complex file converter (terminal based) and the instructions for removal was as follows. dpkg -r ffmpeg

I got the super user thing and I just didn't take it any further than that...
I do want this program removed though-and a nice little tip on how to remove all programs if any1 has the time...ffmpeg takes up a nice 80mb of space!

[Teh Roxor!]

You're trying to remove ffmpeg? I'm assuming you're running Ubuntu.

To uninstall apps with apt, it's

sudo apt-get remove NAME_OF_PACKAGE

In your case,

sudo apt-get remove ffmpeg

I'm really not sure if there's a better way to do this. It's the only way I've ever done it, and it seems to work fine.

[Garfunkel]

yes, as teh roxor said you just type "sudo apt-get remove ffmpeg"

OR

"sudo apt-get --purge remove ffmpeg" (purgeing is a way to remove histroic versions of packages as well and clears the cache, so it is kinda like "completely removing")

Also, you can do it in synaptic by searching for the package you want to remove, click on it and click "completely remove", then hit apply.

BTW: I AM 16. I started using Linux October/November last year, just after Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger came out. Been learning ever since, i am impressed at the amount of people who have PM'd me for assistance or help on installing Linux, I have to help Matt now, LOL!

[Teh Roxor!]

BTW: I AM 16. I started using Linux October/November last year, just after Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger came out. Been learning ever since, i am impressed at the amount of people who have PM'd me for assistance or help on installing Linux, I have to help Matt now, LOL!
Wow, that must have been nice starting with Ubuntu. I started with a horrible distro (Lycoris) that put me off of linux for a year. Luckily, one of my friends expressed interest and we decided to try a few others. I used Fedora Core for a while until we learned enough to start using Gentoo. Now we both sound pretty geeky to our other friends, who still fear and loath anything but Windows and OSX.

[Garfunkel]

The only real reason i started with ubuntu is because it was the first distro that made sense to me. I didn't know what a distro was and many sites don't explain it properly, i would have gotten into Linux much quicker if they were better worded. I then spent a few weeks comparing Suse and Ubuntu and did lots or research and landed with Ubuntu (mainly because apt looked a hell of a lot better to me then rpm and also I had just become a member of the (fantastic) ubuntu forums which was instrumental in my decision)

I have since gone on to try many distros like opensuse/Gentoo/freespire/DSL and a few more but i always end up going back to ubuntu.

That is why i recommend ubuntu to almost everyone who is interested in trying Linux,

[Coded-Dude]

why remove ffmpeg?

[Matt]

My mouse and keyboard won't work on Ubuntu :(

[Garfunkel]

My mouse and keyboard won't work on Ubuntu :(

What sort of keyboard/mouse do you have? Is it bluetooth?

[Matt]

Nope, just the usual wired stuff. Logitech keyboard and optical mouse.

The annoying thing is that it worked to start with. I came back to Windows to find out how to get connected to the web (because I'm using wireless), and now I can't do anything.

[Garfunkel]

wait, so is this on the livecd or have you installed as a dual boot?

[Matt]

This is just with the live CD.

[Garfunkel]

hmmm, i am stumped, the only thing i can think of is going to BIOS and enabling keyboard legacy support, see if that brings you any luck.

I'd post this at the ubuntu forums, they would help you a lot more then I can.

[Matt]

K, I'll give it a go, then I'll head to the Ubuntu forums.

Edit: I couldn't actually find that setting in the BIOS, but my mouse and keyboard worked when Ubuntu started running.

All I need to do now is get connected to the web and I'll be away!

[Matt]

Typical, once I get back to Ubuntu after finding out what I need to do, they stop working again!

:swear:

I've posted the problem on the Ubuntu forums now. Hopefully somebody will know what the problem is.....

[err_ok]

ah the joys of installing linux, it's easy with Ubuntu/Kubuntu but Gentoo occassionally annoys me ( like when i had 2 firewire cards :rant: )

[Garfunkel]

it may be a bug of some sorts Matt, i've never experienced it before, before you waste your time trying to connct to the internet you should know that after installing it won't work again until you fix it again.

[Matt]

OK, so if I can sort this problem out, what will I have to do to set up a dual-boot? Also, how much space am I going to need?

[Matt]

Hmm, now I think that Windows is pissed off with me because I'm trying Linux. It won't load up Ubuntu when I turn my PC on. When I go to My Computer, it doesn't recognise that there's a disc in the drive. It only recognises that it's there if I open and close the tray. :cry2:

[Garfunkel]

Hmm, now I think that Windows is pissed off with me because I'm trying Linux. It won't load up Ubuntu when I turn my PC on. When I go to My Computer, it doesn't recognise that there's a disc in the drive. It only recognises that it's there if I open and close the tray. :cry2:

LOL, don't worry about it, windows is incompetent.

You will need a few gigs minimum to install ubuntu, if you want to dual boot the first thing you need to do is defragment your hdd, do it from windows. Just to erradicate any chance of corrumption because windows's filesystem is primative compared to Linux's and needs defragmenting.

[Matt]

Am I still going to be able to install it, even though my computer is being retarded and not reading the disk?

[Garfunkel]

Yes, you install it through the livecd.

Unless you meant your computer (not just windows) is not recognizing ubuntu.

[Matt]

I've got my PC set up to boot from the disc, but it won't boot from it at the moment. I'm downloading the ISO again, maybe the disk got corrupted somehow?

[Garfunkel]

wow, you have lots of problems lol!

slight chance it got corrupted, burn at the slowest speed you can.

Wow, it's like your computers trying to stop you installing Linux somehow...

[Matt]

I know! The disc burnt at x4 in the first place.

I've also had to delete loads of crap so that I can defragment my drive.

Yay for computers!! :-D

[Matt]

Woo, more problems!

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=327924

Funny thing is, somebody else posted the same problem about 5 minutes before me.

[Garfunkel]

jeez, the guy who posted the other thread had a resonse, you might wanna check that out.

it appears xp is setting files aside to prevent the drive being formatted and installing competitors OS's. Evil bastards i hate them so much!

Keep trying man, you should (eventually) be good to go.

[Matt]

Yea I checked that thread, and I did what the other guy suggested. So hopefully it'll work now.

I'm determined to do this!!

[Garfunkel]

Keep at it, OmniCloud had a few issues but he seems to be enjoying himself now it's working, same with me, teething issues.

[Matt]

I'm having issues before I can install the damn thing!

Here's another one for you. The disc boots up, and I get the usual loading screen. It then goes to the background, where I can move the cursor about. But nothing else happens. No menus, just the cursor.

Fun fun fun fun fun.

[Garfunkel]

I'm thinking maybe you should try the alternate cd, it is text base and might be harder to partition but if you continue to have issues it may become the only option.

[Teh Roxor!]

I've never heard of so many random errors. Matt seems particularly unlucky!

The worst kind of problem is the one that doesn't happen consistently.

[err_ok]

Try the Kubuntu ISO it's more or less the same just KDE rather than GNOME

[Garfunkel]

Try the Kubuntu ISO it's more or less the same just KDE rather than GNOME

We should mention that KDE and Gnome are GUI window managers (what you see), it will have the same base ubuntu but will look different and contain different packages


I've never heard of so many random errors. Matt seems particularly unlucky!

The worst kind of problem is the one that doesn't happen consistently.


Too right! It's imposable to fix something if you can't isolate what it is. I hate that.

Yeah and Matt might have eaten too many black cats or something because I have never seen so many issues when trying to switch to Ubuntu.

This is a very delicate case....

[Matt]

Windows is obviously pissed at me for wanting an alternative, it's started to fuck around with my computer:

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=67092

[Garfunkel]

I think it is your mbr.

[[Daniel Primed]]

I am dual booting(Ubuntu) ATM but am stuck getting it all set up. I was going to convert over until I decided that I'd really need Photoshop. But I don't think that I'll need that now. So a few days ago I was thinking of switching back to it. I might go for Kubuntu though.

I'm stuck on dial up(a few kms from the range, Australia + technology = jip). So things might go pretty slow.

BTW some nice movies (http://youtube.com/results?search_query=xgl&search=Search)

Oh and be sure to get some of the free Ubuntu stickers mailed out to you to stick to your hardware.

[Garfunkel]

where are you stuck? i may be able to help.

[[Daniel Primed]]

I'm trying to get my internet set up and I need to supposively need to find my internet drivers for my modem. Which is where I'm having trouble with I know how to do that but it still can't pick up my modem.

Agere AC97 is my modem. Its been too hard trying to sort it out.

[err_ok]

;1359709']I'm trying to get my internet set up and I need to supposively need to find my internet drivers for my modem. Which is where I'm having trouble with I know how to do that but it still can't pick up my modem.

Agere AC97 is my modem. Its been too hard trying to sort it out.

A winmodem, how fun. http://linmodems.org/ that site should help you out.

Edit.. you need to figure out your modems chipset and then search the database linked to figure out what driver to use... if there is one.. :(

[OmniCloud]

omnicloud@Omnicloud-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install ps3video9_Installer.exe.tar.gz
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package ps3video9_Installer.exe.tar.gz



I trying to install this PS3 video converter. I downloaded it to my home folder. But the terminal says it's not there? (can't find package?) Do I have to Cd to another directory or something?

[err_ok]

type 'ls' in the terminal to see if it's there... if not just cd to ur home folder... or wherever you downloaded it...

[Garfunkel]

if the package is in your home directory just type ls, if the file is a .tar.gz then right click it and extract it, then cd into the folder it creates, then the commands to install (should be)

./configure
make
sudo make install

but the package should come with instructions on how to install.

here, i'll try myself...

edit: i don't think there is a linux version...

[err_ok]

yeah there is.... aparantly...

Download Now - Multi-platform Alpha (Mac OS X, Linux, Unix) (http://www.redkawa.com/mediacenters/ps3mediacenterx/download/jar/index.php)

....see :susp:

I doubt it's that easy to install.... let's have a go

EDIT: ahhhh wait that's the wii one...

EDIT 2: ahhhh wait that IS the ps3 one...

[Garfunkel]

crap didn't see it, ok i will try.

[err_ok]

You'll probably end up having to install java... a nice 40mb download for you.

[Garfunkel]

i extracted the files, cd'd to the folder and typed "java -jar MediaCen*.jar" and it went ok for me.

(note to Omni, the * means the computer will automatically guess the file, so if you want to cd to thisisafolder, you could type " cd thisisa* " and the computer would assume you meant thisisafolder, but it gets confused when there are 2 similar names)

[err_ok]

which is why it's a bad idea most of the time lol... just use the tab button.....

[Garfunkel]

^hehe forgot about that one.

[err_ok]

:buldge: the most usefull part of the CLI and you forget......

/suicide

[Garfunkel]

no, the most useful command is:

telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

[err_ok]

roflcopters

[Garfunkel]

it would have taken for ever to do, i wish they had done the entire series.

[OmniCloud]

I dunno what happend...but ever since I got this little add-on update thing In FireFox, the browser has been all sluggish, then it Froze, and now I'm booting up from my CD! I would just start over but I had some good music and stuff downloaded already..but I can't even get past the password menu. It just freezes right after I put in my user name. NEED HELP!

[Coded-Dude]

at the linux boot loader try booting to single user mode, then uninstalling the add-on, then rebooting.

[Garfunkel]

do you know the name of the update?

[OmniCloud]

It was just an update to Foxy Tunes I believe...didn't look at much else...one of the automatic updates. Anyway...I'll try booting to single user mode..

[OmniCloud]

Nothing works! I can do this safe mode thing and access the terminal, but I can't boot it up! I'm about to just start over...Ubuntu official forums gave me basically all the files and installations I needed and I can backtrack with YesItsMe emails. It would be nice if you guys can figure out just what the heck happened though. I'm just installing the basics until I figure it out.

[Garfunkel]

if you can access a terminal at all, type:

sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox

sudo apt-get install firefox

just see...

to be honest with you Omni, i have reformatted about 10-15 times since i started using ubuntu (don't mean to scare you! I am just one of those people who goes; "i wonder what will happen if i...") but each time i do, it stays for longer (experience and what not), a reformat might be a good idea if we can't fix this.

[OmniCloud]

if you can access a terminal at all, type:

sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox

sudo apt-get install firefox

just see...

to be honest with you Omni, i have reformatted about 10-15 times since i started using ubuntu (don't mean to scare you! I am just one of those people who goes; "i wonder what will happen if i...") but each time i do, it stays for longer (experience and what not), a reformat might be a good idea if we can't fix this.Nah Reformatting is fine...Like i said, I only browse the web, post on the forums, and download media on my PC...I don't do anything extensive that I would just be destroyed if it were all lost. Linux is growing every month, and with all the new things going on, I'm willing to bet will see a standard Distro take off sooner or later and be available in major retailers.

[Garfunkel]

Nah Reformatting is fine...Like i said, I only browse the web, post on the forums, and download media on my PC...I don't do anything extensive that I would just be destroyed if it were all lost. Linux is growing every month, and with all the new things going on, I'm willing to bet will see a standard Distro take off sooner or later and be available in major retailers.

You are very right with that, another reason why i recommended Ubuntu, it is very close to getting to that stage, it is ran by someone with virtually unlimited financial support and seems to have became one of the best and most recognized distros in only 2 years since it's release.

I do feel that if their were about 8-10 crushingly popular distros that Linux would take off, i think the biggest issue we face is that their is millions of devs supporting Linux but their efforts are stretched among hundreds fo distros.

We could still have:

a light weight livecd/usb distro like Damn Small Linux or heavier ones like Knoppix

A basic and very powerful debgging distro like INSERT, (for when you need to fix booting issues and do emergency tasks)

A CE distro for embedded components in consumer electronics, for example; Cell phones and PDA's

A simple and powerful and flexible desktop OS (or a small number), like ubuntu or Freespire.

A server OS or two, like Red Hat or Debian

and maybe a media distro or two, like a mythtv based distro.

Make all of them cross compatible with each other, and let it be it, I love the idea of choice but it makes it hard for users in many cases, it outweighs the benefit of the overwhelming choice.

If you go to www.distrowatch.com you will see that Ubuntu has been top of the list of popular distros for more then a year (i have never seen it lower then number 1), and i think this popularity mainly comes from it's ease of use and reliability, and it's treatment of newbies.

This works, the BSD camp has far fewer OS's then Linux and far less developers yet it gets fairly close to where Linux is today with maybe a bit more stability, they have less distributions and so they can focus their efforts on the distros people WANT to use.

Another example is Firefox, nobody can doubt it has been a runaway success and the reason is because it has tremendously overwhelming developer support, even MS has shown they can't compete with it. Firefox is ONE browser, their are offsprings like flock but these are not anywhere near to the popularity of Firefox, as a result Firefox grows and develops and beats the living day lights out of it's closed source rivals!

The same happens in many other markets as well, look at the PS1/N64/3D0/Jaguar/Saturn/god knows whatever else, generation of video game consoles, too many consoles and not enough market or developers to support them, their are 2 overwhelming successes and BAM! the market explodes, better games for all!

Naturally, when attempting to learn an OS as powerful and as complex as Linux, one is going to have problems trying to adapt, basically like Darwin's survival of the fittest i guess, if a smaller number of distros can have greater developer time and focus we would go much faster. That is why I hope that ubuntu and a small number of Linux OS's will be crushingly popular, it will make our community stronger in the long run.

It's not about decreasing competition, if anything it will make cross-distro competition more fierce when their mass popularity is at stake, competition is good anyway within the community and remains friendly all the same, it is about making crossing the bridge to Linux a tremendous amount easier.

[OmniCloud]

Good post...I agree...I just hope that A few distros take off soon so we can have upgrades and software available in stores.

One question though, I restarted a little while ago, everything is running smoothly, but I think after I installed Java..it's bumping heads with another program of something.

Firstly, when I rebooted there was like a ton of upgrades in the automatic updater. After that, i installed codes and such and Flash 9. but when I go to Synaptic or I try to install Frostwire (not in the terminal) i get this Error message.

E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.


When I try to install Frostwire, I get this.

Only one software tool is allowed to run at the same time. Please close other application eg. "Synaptic" "Update Manager" or "Aptitude" first.

None of these are open when I try to install. And like I said, I'm pretty sure it happened after I installed java from here. http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs

Don't feel like rebooting again...and ideas?

btw-is it possible to set up a Linksys router without windows?

[err_ok]

btw-is it possible to set up a Linksys router without windows?

Yes

You just goto the web interface like usual.....

it'll be 192.168.1.225 or 192.168.1.1 or something

edit: you did try sudo dpkg --configure -a didn't you...

[Garfunkel]

yes type sudo dpkg --configure -a

This can happen if you close down a terminal or a package manager when it is doing something important, or restarting, you may have just annoyed it is all, if you run that command it will fix it.

[OmniCloud]

Tks guys...THe installations are going quite slow...and my Synaptic says I have 1 broken package. I should delete it right?

Also...all my updates are going slower than usual...anything that I can type in terminal.

err..ok The setup for the router is on a disc that seems to be only compatible with Windows..after I get my ISP address from Comcast, could you tell me how to set it up?

[err_ok]

just download "angry ip scanner" and then search the range 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.255 or 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.0.255 i reckon u'll find it... the password will be in the manual

[Garfunkel]

about the broken package, in synaptic, in the edit menu there is an option to "fix broken packages". I hate this error, because it usually relates to dependencies with versions of packages, like for example:

package "thisisapackage" requires "thisisadependency" version 10.1.25 or under but you already have an updated version.

You can also call your IP and demand help. (but they are stupid and will say that they only support windows yet their servers and systems USE LINUX/*NIX!)

[OmniCloud]

I'll get my address and hit u guys back 2morrow...

[err_ok]

^ um tommorow passed ;)

Hold your breath i'm updating 81 packages on Kubuntu, lets hope none of your guys bad luck has rubbed off on me eh... :/

[Garfunkel]

^now that i am testing Feisty as well as running edgy i have to download hundreds of packages a day, it seems i am always updating. (but i love it when you don't have to restart except for critical things!)

[err_ok]

:/

It's been too long since i've used a Linux GUI.....

[OmniCloud]

^What are you using?

Oh and I've been kinda busy...I'm calling them now...Tks for help-past/present/future!

[err_ok]

Kubuntu, basically Ubuntu but with KDE rather than Gnome.

[Garfunkel]

Omni, if you are interested in kubuntu you can install kubuntu onto ubuntu so that at login you can select which season you want: kde or gnome, two different gui's.

sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop and bobs' yer auntie!

[OmniCloud]

I have the IP number, and then called LinkSYS support and this Indian guy was telling me to type some crap into the address that wasn't working, and then telling me to go to run like I have Windows. Geez...I'm musta said 1000 times that I don't have a WINDOWS BASED SYSTEM before he even began the conversation.

[OmniCloud]

Omni, if you are interested in kubuntu you can install kubuntu onto ubuntu so that at login you can select which season you want: kde or gnome, two different gui's.

sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop and bobs' yer auntie! .

Is Kubuntu better? And is there any way to get the squiggily pages without installing Beryl and all that, I don't want to clutter the system with stuff that's not really needed for my core entertainment. But I do want a little eye-candy that's pretty reliable and doesn't have to have it's own set of rules and programs to function properly.

[Garfunkel]

kubuntu/ubuntu are virtually the same, they just look different. It is a matter of personal preference, i personally don't know which one i like more, i always switch, can't make up my mind.

You can't really have the squiggly windows and such without beryl, don't worry though, Linux doesn't clutter up like windows does, mine is just as fast now as it was stock. Not only that but beryl is very easy to install on edgy, you only have to edit one text file and it is really self explanitary.

Maybe you should keep calling until you get someone who understands your needs. I hate call centres.

[err_ok]

Squiggly?? huh?

Omni what's the problem again... ? What make router is it ?

[Garfunkel]

by squggly he means the wobbly windows.

When you enter in the info err_ok gave you does it come up?

[err_ok]

The wha...?

[OmniCloud]

It's a Linksys-not wireless...

[err_ok]

errrrr Pick One (http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1118334622279&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper)

edit: interesting add a url didn't work in KDE.....................

[OmniCloud]

errrrr Pick One (http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1118334622279&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper)

edit: interesting add a url didn't work in KDE.....................I was using Gnome when I tried it...just installed KDE today, much better eyecandy and customization, but I still like Gnome too...I'll probably just keep switching like Yes-its-me. Linux is AWESOME!

I have this one...http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1130276636538&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper

[err_ok]

Accessing the Utility
To access the Web-based Utility of the Router, launch Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator, and enter the
Router’s default IP address, 192.168.1.1, in the Address field. Press the Enter key.
A screen will appear asking you for your User name and password. Leave the User name field blank, and enter
admin in the Password field. Then click the OK button.

That's all you need to know.....unless it doesn't autodetect your settings like mine did.

Then you need to get on ur ISP website and get the details, if they don't have them phone them. If they don't give them to you. Complain, Loudly.

[OmniCloud]

Accessing the Utility
To access the Web-based Utility of the Router, launch Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator, and enter the
Router’s default IP address, 192.168.1.1, in the Address field. Press the Enter key.
A screen will appear asking you for your User name and password. Leave the User name field blank, and enter
admin in the Password field. Then click the OK button.

That's all you need to know.....unless it doesn't autodetect your settings like mine did.

Then you need to get on ur ISP website and get the details, if they don't have them phone them. If they don't give them to you. Complain, Loudly.

Oh so I do need Internet Explorer or Netscape...gotcha...

[Garfunkel]

no, of course you don't, firefox will work too.

(saying that, you can install IE on Linux with Wine ;))

OmniCloud, i am glad you are enjoying kde, i like it too, the only thing that i hate about it is that it can be really unstable at times, i have high hopes for KDE 4.0 later this year.

[err_ok]

I have been noticing the instability

For example whenever i goto Add/Remove Package and click "proprietary software"

then go anywhere near the left hand menu... the window closes.... sucks eh....

managed to get it to work once to install, firefox and thunderbird..

[Garfunkel]

why on earth would you use that when you have the terminal or synaptic??!!

[err_ok]

cause i'm lazy..............

[Teh Roxor!]

I'm a KDE person myself. Some things are just too hard to configure in Gnome.

Click here to see what my KDE desktop looks like. (http://www.personal.psu.edu/jxb5047/snapshot1.png)

I think some of the instability comes from modification by the Ubuntu team. When I use Gentoo and compile KDE from sources that are pretty much directly from KDE.org, there seems to be no issues. I do notice some weird things when I use Kubuntu, though. Not enough to ruin the experience for me, but the bugs are definitely there.

For example whenever i goto Add/Remove Package and click "proprietary software"
Bleh, don't use that. go to the terminal and type "kdesu adept_manager" and a much better adept UI will appear.

And for a lot of proprietary software, I would try Automatix. (http://www.getautomatix.com/)

[Garfunkel]

NIce desktop!

Yes, I agree, KDE is alot easier to configure, it just amazes me how there is no easy graphical way to adjust settings in gnome, things like changing screen resolutions and stuff (well resolutions that arn't in the default) forces you to edit your xorg directly, and i do agree that KDE on ubuntu/kubuntu is unstable because of the (lack of) effort they place on KDE.

Another reason i like KDE is because many apps on KDE progreammed in qt are better then their gnome counterparts in gtk+. EG: kaffeine > totem, amarok > rythembox etc.

But their are exceptions, like synaptic > adept. (i HATE adept). but SMARTPM is my favourite.

I am just using Gnome now though because i have installed KDE but when i fire it up and open up amarok/kaffeine they both crash and i have to restart to open them on gnome again! i plan to jump ship again when feisty comes out (which i am testing and have filed 4 bugs already) but we will see...

[BugenhagenXIII]

I'm a Gnome guy. I find it much easier to use than KDE. I like the look of GTK+ over Qt. That said, I do use a few KDE apps. Amarok, K3b, Konversation, and Yakuake, just to name a few.

[Garfunkel]

Most users that use windows and are new to Linux will end up going KDE, it is somewhat easier for newbs but also uses the super bright happy fisher-price buttons etc form windows. Unlike gnome which is very minimalist.

[BugenhagenXIII]

I think Gnome is actually easier for people switching from windows. It's easier to do simple configuration (not having to go through a zillion nested menu's and almost as many dialogs), and just easier to use in general. It has a cleaner interface, which people switching from windows tend to like. Not saying KDE is bad, I think it has it's strong points, mainly that it's easier to do more complex configurations. That, and it has some really top-notch apps (K3b, Amarok, etc.).

[OmniCloud]

Well I see many of my applications for KDE in Gnome, can't I just install apps and stuff with Synaptic in Gnome and it work in KDE? That's how I got the desktop..all synaptic baby!

Yeah I agree Gnome is easier...KDE is prettier because you can customize stuff and more eye candy. I have a bunch of little appletes at the bottom of my screen and the auto-change wallpaper feature is very satisfying. But if I'm installing burning using Frostwire or something, I think I'll stick with Gnome. Besides, it's the first distro that Yes_It's_Me got me hooked on, so now it holds a special place in my heart:-)

[Garfunkel]

lol, any app that runs on gnome will run with kde, this is because ubuntu comes with the kde-libs.

but kde vs gnome is just a matter of personal preference, both have advantages/disadvantages.

[OmniCloud]

@err_ok Tks man...my router works fine now...Now I just have to get an ethernet cable thats long enough to reach my consoles:-(

Hey Yes_It's_Me errr...Garfunkel;) I dunno what specs are on my PC. It's a Dell Dimension E310 Pentium 4 processor and I'm pretty sure it's intel...How do I get the specs though? It's fairly new, but it's not a really sooped up PC, do you think it will handle Beryl?

[Garfunkel]

it "might", download pc wizard: http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php

and give it a whirl.

See if you can find your:

motherboard
RAM
CPU
GPU/video card