Your Feelings

[Mitri]

hey what's happenin people. i haven't been here too much lately. but when i do browse through i see some ps3 exclusive coming to the 360(well..maybe not that much. but i know you all understand my exaggeration). personally i think its great. VF is one of my favorite series. AC seems like it will be fun. and the others seem like they might be fun(i can't remember. i'm supposed to be getting ready for work).

but i want to know how the forums feel about it all. and the fact that some of these games were being made for the ps3(the "supposed" more powerful console) and then being taken to the 360. (by the way. i don't think that there is a more powerful console. i think they both have their strengths and weakness's that make them better than the other)

:salute: :damarus:

[VG Aficionado]

All I know is that March can't come soon enough so that people will actually start talking about gaming rather than arguing and speculating doom all over the place.

[Nameless]

^ Yup...
We need some damn games, because my PS3 is collecting dust and the 360 is getting all my attention... :(

[venomv]

I don't know what AC is (I despide acronymns), but it has nothing to do with which console is more powerful or some supposed loyalty. It has to do with business and the simply fact that there are ~7 mil 360 out there (if I rememeber right) and probably somewhere under 1 mil PS3, where are you gonna get more sales? We will probably see less of this once all three have a good amount of consoles out there, but the price of making games has gone up dramaticaly (again) so unless someone blows the other two away (like the PS2 did) there will probably be more multiplatform games then most people are used to, and more simply cheap downloadable games.

[frosty]

Ps3 is slightly more powerful than 360, even with it's weaknesses considered, however you won't start to really see it for some time. However, whatever games get ported to 360, it doesn't matter. Sony has their exclusives. This generation will be all about 1st party exclusives and 3rd party ports, so get used to it.

[cliffbo]

the gaming geographic is changing. most third party publishers will play it safe for the sake of making profit. the war will be between in house devs and will become a purer battle of imagination and invention. second party publishers will eventually gravitate to the most successful platform with the best in house games and third party publishers will have to follow for fear of getting a reputation for regurgitation (yes i mean you EA!) give it three years...

[woundingchaney]

I dont really see how the PS3 is even slightly more powerful than the 360 as a whole. Sony needs to come through with more exclusives, better titles, software refinement, and work on reducing the price of the console. Its so early in the game for any dooms day scenario anyways. Once the consoles are more situated in the market we may see some of the now 3rd party multipl. devs go exclusive once market penetration can justify it.

I think Sony really has done a horrid job regarding the launch but with a approx. 5 year console cycle I cant see it being much of a factor in the years to come. Many of these negative aspects and dooms scenarios are about 2-3 years early. Sony needs something to draw the consumer to the PS3 and justify the higher price point, as it is right now a BR player just doesnt seem enough (although we will see when shipment steadies itself).

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Just waiting for march, when all those games that might have been launch titles are released, so the not-so-little box that could really gets to shine.
I think it's a great system, and I'm happy with mine so far, Sony just needs to get the damn things out there.

[Smokey]

Your Feelings

a bit tired :( but the ps3 will rock when i get it :) no time for sleep then, im just sick of all the bitchin & whingen thats goin on :| we loose this we gain that... fook people the sky aint fallen

[frosty]

I dont really see how the PS3 is even slightly more powerful than the 360 as a whole.

Cell is known to be the more powerful CPU, plus add in the standard HDD, and the added space of Blu-Ray, and it = a slightly more powerful system as a whole.

[Viano]

Cell is known to be the more powerful CPU, plus add in the standard HDD, and the added space of Blu-Ray, and it = a much more powerful system.

fixed ♪o♪

[woundingchaney]

Cell is known to be the more powerful CPU, plus add in the standard HDD, and the added space of Blu-Ray, and it = a slightly more powerful system as a whole.

And the 360 gpu is superior to the RSX, coupled with a more streamlined architecture, more available memory, and a more user friendly development platform and tools I seriously doubt we see one system over come the other in a hands down power comparison

[julps31]

Developers have said that the PS3 is a more powerful console. At least in terms of its potential power. It has more untapped power that is harder to access. I see where your coming from though wounding...both consoles have positives and negatives that counter balances them.

I don't know...mitri seemed to be looking for a fight with his "supposed more powerful" comment. We all know VF was designed for the linbergh arcade hardware...a Pentium 4 with a Nvidia 6800. Not neccesarily PS3 or 360 level power lol. I really don't think anybody should really be suprised about third party developer titles going to other consoles. It definantly hasn't swayed me in any way because theres too many great games coming out that I couldn't stand to miss lol.

PS3 has great games...360 has great games...and the wii has great games. Its just that games i want to play are on the PS3. And the majority WONT be on any other console.

[woundingchaney]

Developers have said enough (both in quantity and variety) to justify any stance on the situation. :)

[fknuckle]

Superior makes it sounds miles ahead-I'd say slightly more flexible.There's probably a few things each system can do graphically that the other might struggle with- Supposedly,graphical procedural effects will be easier/better on ps3,and also things like ray casting will be handled better/easier to pull off on the ps3.
Overall,id bet you would have to squint hard to see what system has the better visuals since each system does some things better then the other..

i take it both systems will get some os/ram back over time with updates?? And with the edram,all i ever hear about are devs complaining its not enough to pull off what they want.And it(edram) not working great/not fully compatible/avoided all together with certain engines(unreal3)???


About the exclusives--there will be plenty to go around on each system--and im sure there will be a huge amount of great multi system games to play-even though i (personally) know some ppl will refuse to play them just because its not exclusive,no matter how great the game is.

[Cless]

Let the games (non multi platform) decide which system is better. There is no use to you say one system is more powerful than the other if the developers/games are the only that are able to decide. Though looking at the games right now (Motorstorm) I would say PS3 is more powerful at the moment.

[OmniCloud]

Well the next-gen thing still didn't hit me yet, although Gears and Resistance have come close. Gears polish is amazing and Resistance frantic action and numbers on screen does raise an eyebrow about Cell...I say the best way to determine these system's is to compare exclusives...

Mass Effect vs. Lair
Halo vs. Killzone
NG2 vs. DMC4
Crackdown vs. HS
Forza vs. GT5
VF5 vs. Tekken 6 (LOL) get-it?
LO vs. White Knight Story
Splinter Cell 5 vs. MGS4
Gta5 vs. Gta5 hahahhaha j/k

but honestly, Sony has made the public believe that PS3 is the most powerful console you can own, so the games should reflect that. PS2 games didn't blow away DC games, Xbox didn't blow away PS2 games, but the did look better-and you could tell they looked better. These exclusives-Killzone, Warhawk, GT5, MGS4, Heavenly Sword-they should showcase PS3's potential, and really-it should look better than what's being done on 360 at the time. System is harder to develop for...Cell takes time to learn...blah blah blah...I want Killzone 3 to give me that same experience and feeling that the trailer gave me! PS3's expectations are extremely high...and I think the general feeling right now is that people are waiting for Sony to live up to it...(Xbots wait by saying PS3 sucks don't buy it, Sony fans wait by saying "look man...just wait" Ninty fans..well they just go get the Wii and say screw both of ya and ur HD-spec sheets!!! lol)

To me...it doesn't matter what devs say really...I've found more potential to be a little more appealing than easer-development, but hey-I'm not a developer!!! Ease of development could be better than having a bunch of potential that can never be reached eh? But the games honestly do the talking....Sony still has me on the edge of my seat when I see new shots of GT5 and HS and NGS coming along nicely, but honestly Alan Wake Gears, and Halo 3 look quite attractive as well. These games shouldn't look this close to what PS3 is producing IMO...Killzone, MGS4, GT5, WarDevil, Ratchet and Clank, Socom 4...these games should look better than anything on the console market at the time of there release-Plain and Simple.. If not..I will still have a PS3 and own all these games..but I will lose respect for Sony for blowing steam up our behinds and will support mutlt-platform owning much harder...

[F089/H]

^ Yup...
We need some damn games, because my PS3 is collecting dust and the 360 is getting all my attention... :(

I'll second that.It's just :piss: ing away

[julps31]

Well the next-gen thing still didn't hit me yet, although Gears and Resistance have come close. Gears polish is amazing and Resistance frantic action and numbers on screen does raise an eyebrow about Cell...I say the best way to determine these system's is to compare exclusives...

Mass Effect vs. Lair
Halo vs. Killzone
NG2 vs. DMC4
Crackdown vs. HS
Forza vs. GT5
VF5 vs. Tekken 6 (LOL) get-it?
LO vs. White Knight Story
Splinter Cell 5 vs. MGS4
Gta5 vs. Gta5 hahahhaha j/k

but honestly, Sony has made the public believe that PS3 is the most powerful console you can own, so the games should reflect that. PS2 games didn't blow away DC games, Xbox didn't blow away PS2 games, but the did look better-and you could tell they looked better. These exclusives-Killzone, Warhawk, GT5, MGS4, Heavenly Sword-they should showcase PS3's potential, and really-it should look better than what's being done on 360 at the time. System is harder to develop for...Cell takes time to learn...blah blah blah...I want Killzone 3 to give me that same experience and feeling that the trailer gave me! PS3's expectations are extremely high...and I think the general feeling right now is that people are waiting for Sony to live up to it...(Xbots wait by saying PS3 sucks don't buy it, Sony fans wait by saying "look man...just wait" Ninty fans..well they just go get the Wii and say screw both of ya and ur HD-spec sheets!!! lol)

To me...it doesn't matter what devs say really...I've found more potential to be a little more appealing than easer-development, but hey-I'm not a developer!!! Ease of development could be better than having a bunch of potential that can never be reached eh? But the games honestly do the talking....Sony still has me on the edge of my seat when I see new shots of GT5 and HS and NGS coming along nicely, but honestly Alan Wake Gears, and Halo 3 look quite attractive as well. These games shouldn't look this close to what PS3 is producing IMO...Killzone, MGS4, GT5, WarDevil, Ratchet and Clank, Socom 4...these games should look better than anything on the console market at the time of there release-Plain and Simple.. If not..I will still have a PS3 and own all these games..but I will lose respect for Sony for blowing steam up our behinds and will support mutlt-platform owning much harder...I don't think your giving enough credit to the devs. Its not that easy to develop an amazing game. Not to mention the PS3 isn't leaps and bounds more powerful than the 360, so naturally its not gonna have games that are leaps and bounds beyond what you see on the 360. I feel your being a little unfair to Sony with your "loosing respect" if you don't see games that are leaps and bounds beyond the 360 graphically. Its like your faulting Sony for being a company and putting there product in a good light.

And I hate how people use graphics as a meter for the consoles worth. If you ONLY want the PS3 because you want the graphics to look waaaay better then graphics on any other console then you might as well stick with the 360 imo because it most likey wont happen. Now if you want great games with great graphics and gameplay then I feel you'll get that on both consoles. And you'll get graphics that'll blow you away on both consoles. Thats what I want from next-gen. MotorStorm is an example...games like this is what i base my decision on. Great gameplay and graphics and the potential to have an amazing time playing it. Not if it looks better than PGR3 or not. PS3 has a lot of games that have that potential imo. More so then the 360 IMHO.

I'll wait until next year to get my PS3. Plenty of time to save up to since its obvious the PS3 doesn't have much now (and no excuse on my part to complain about the price lol). You only buy the PS3 once (if your lucky...who knows what'll happen further down the line with the launch consoles) so no need to complain about the how "much more" expensive it is then the 360 imo. More bang for your buck so its worth it if you ask me.

[Garfunkel]

honestly? i don't care, this is the reason they made SCEWWS in the first place, they knew ms would just buy out all their exclusives and instead of wasting a hell of a lot of money they MAKE GAMES!!!

[jaxmkii]

my feelings?... if MS somehow takes over both console and PC i will giveup gaming entirely. I just have no intrest in MS style of gaming... I just might even go outside

[Mitri]

I don't know...mitri seemed to be looking for a fight with his "supposed more powerful" comment. We all know VF was designed for the linbergh arcade hardware...a Pentium 4 with a Nvidia 6800. Not neccesarily PS3 or 360 level power

no no. i wasn't meaning to start a fight about anything. i was just stating what everyone is saying(not here specifically but in general). but i didn't know that VF was originally made like that. sorry.

[julps31]

I got ya. No hard feelings man.

[nemesis121]

my feelings?... if MS somehow takes over both console and PC i will giveup gaming entirely. I just have no intrest in MS style of gaming i just might even go outside


LOL!! i made it my sig, LOL, wow, LOL, wow, LOL.

[gibmonster]

my feelings?... if MS somehow takes over both console and PC i will giveup gaming entirely. I just have no intrest in MS style of gaming i just might even go outside

My sentiments exactly. They seem to have this mentality that gaming is a sport...which is pretty stupid because I would rather play a sport. The day they win is the day I stop gaming. I'm worried that we will get less creative titles if M$ (I do this because I dont want people to be confused with the disease) take over the industry.

+rep for you. That made me chuckle :D

[jaxmkii]

Well please i can use the +reps...

but yea MS style is the Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn.

take your halos your BF2142s and all your other OFPS clones and shove them up your Kudos FTW racing games asses.

call me a fanboy... i hate you MS oh i hate you.

[Applefiend]

My feelings is everything sucks compared to PS2. :) I'm looking for a replacement because it's too old, I think I've found it.

And it can lose teh forum warz as much as it likes as long as it wins the great games wars. I think the guys who hate PS3 also hate PS2 and don't get what's so great about it. Guys who when you say to them PS2 has the best line up this christmas they just look at you and go "huh!?!?!?".

And I like HD TV, I like high res movies, I like Blu Ray. I don't get why people hate high def movies so much.

I hear you jaxmkil, every single one of these games is just about one thing. Headshots. Different location, different characters, just headshots.

[gibmonster]

Well please i can use the +reps...

but yea MS style is the Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn Kill die respawn.

take your halos your BF2142s and all your other OFPS clones and shove them up your Kudos FTW racing games asses.

call me a fanboy... i hate you MS oh i hate you.

lol. At last, someone else who thinks like I do.

Anyway. It's still early in the next gen wars. For now I think it will come down to those with the best first party titles. I could care less about some titles making the switch. If sony becomes some sort of niche thing in gaming I wouldn't mind that at all. It might mean less crap. Market share alone does not determine whether a console is a success.

[Logan Cano]

I feel Sony is not doing enough and letting their lead be eroded by an entirely different aspect (HD movies). They should have kept their exclusives and so far they have failed. They have failed to get the machine out in respectable numbers and have let their relationship with the press and the audience go sour.

So many mistakes in so little time. We keep losing exclusives seemingly every day and so far the superiority of the machine hasn't translated into any game, save for Motorstorm. I don't see why Sony lets this type of thing happen, KK and KH have a lot of work ahead of them. Given how things are though, I'll be thankful if we get a handfull of exclusives by the end of the generation. What's the point of producing a more powerful, exciting machine if you can't get the titles that show it??

[EvilTaru]

My feeling is that today is my birthday and I'm having a good time playing Motorstorm, it's teh true-true. Tomorrow GTHD demo will be available and I'm happy about that too. I think if you have a PS3, you should just enjoy it and ignore all the noises, focus on what's important.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/gladtomeetya.gif

[Lekko]

Mass Effect vs. Lair
Halo vs. Killzone
NG2 vs. DMC4
Crackdown vs. HS
Forza vs. GT5
VF5 vs. Tekken 6 (LOL) get-it?
LO vs. White Knight Story
Splinter Cell 5 vs. MGS4
Gta5 vs. Gta5 hahahhaha j/k



The reason I bought a PS3 more than anything is because of the rest of the equation:

SotC vs. ??????
Rez vs. ?????
Katamari Damacy vs. ????????
Ratchet and Clank vs. ???????
Sly cooper vs. ???????
Ico vs. ?????

For every Sony shooter, there are 5 microsoft shooters. For every tactical shooter on playstation, there are about 5 on microsoft.

I like platformers, puzzle games, thinking games, off beat rythem games, crazy games, new games, innovative games. Microsoft has gone far and above in a few genres, but not all the ones I care about. That's why I'm still a Sony fan.

[julps31]

I feel Sony is not doing enough and letting their lead be eroded by an entirely different aspect (HD movies). They should have kept their exclusives and so far they have failed. They have failed to get the machine out in respectable numbers and have let their relationship with the press and the audience go sour.

So many mistakes in so little time. We keep losing exclusives seemingly every day and so far the superiority of the machine hasn't translated into any game, save for Motorstorm. I don't see why Sony lets this type of thing happen, KK and KH have a lot of work ahead of them. Given how things are though, I'll be thankful if we get a handfull of exclusives by the end of the generation. What's the point of producing a more powerful, exciting machine if you can't get the titles that show it??Sony hasn't lost any of THEIR exclusives. They've lost third party titles that were only exclusive for a limited time. And didn't want to repay for its exclusivity. Now we both get those games (PS3 fans and 360 fans). Sony's putting a lot of faith in there first and second party games. Enough that they feel loosing money to secure third party exclusivity isn't worth it. And in the end its better for Sony and there 1st party games.

We have plenty of exclusive titles that WONT be on any other consoles. More than a few. And many of these games look to really be gems (MotorStorm, Heavanly Sword ect..ect). Enough that a multi-platform game appearing on both consoles will mean little in terms of attracting gamers to the competition. Unless there only concerned with the price of the console (where the 360 obviously has the edge). But when it comes to games the PS3 has the edge imo.

[Garfunkel]

my feelings?... if MS somehow takes over both console and PC i will giveup gaming entirely. I just have no intrest in MS style of gaming i just might even go outside

HERE HERE!

make sure you reintroduce yourself to your immediate family!

call me a fanboy... i hate you MS oh i hate you.

So do i, so do i.

[julps31]

My feeling is that today is my birthday and I'm having a good time playing Motorstorm, it's teh true-true. Tomorrow GTHD demo will be available and I'm happy about that too. I think if you have a PS3, you should just enjoy it and ignore all the noises, focus on what's important.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/gladtomeetya.gifIs it really your birthday? lol. MotorStorm is a good christmas gift if it is.

[masteratt]

So do i, so do i.
Also add me to the Microsoft hating list.
Their business models always manage tick every box in my "things companies can do to piss me off" list and Microsoft even manages to add new items to the list so if anyone here is planning some kind of evil plot against Microsoft, I am here.
I have played all MGSs so I am sure we can sneak in and sabotage or destroy stuff pretty easily ;)

On topic: Everyone who has a PS3 loves it which is what you would expect from a fan that pays $500/$600 and soon (March), amazing games are coming which will get the not so hardcore fans involved and then after that, the price drop which means everyone with a PS2 will buy the PS3.
There is nothing Sony is doing wrong. They have the next-gen specs and the next-gen games so my feelings are just chill and watch Microsoft (Xbox 1.5) and Nintendo (again, lacking any games that truly interest me) trying to catch up with Sony once again.

[Viano]

oh you'll know how it feels,

just get it.

[Nights]

My feelings is currently I have no feelings.

I know I own a PS3 now and I will probably have a 360 or Wii for christmas.

The guy that was not ready for next gen gaming is ready to start the next gen. I know Sony has my support when they get titles first and for exclusives. So will the other guy. I probably won't own a 3rd system, however that could change with 3 AAA titles that interest me.

I support where the games that I want are. Right now I feel that those games are on the PS2, PSP, and DS.

Things I would like to see with my PS3
1: Fix the backwards compatibility (I want my games to look as good as they due on my ps2)
2: PSX Downloads (They need to be compacted, music should be in mp3, etc)
3: More RPGs
4: Killer 2D games (IE great downloadable content for a price)

[VG Aficionado]

For every Sony shooter, there are 5 microsoft shooters. For every tactical shooter on playstation, there are about 5 on microsoft.I feel you. Sometimes I feel Xbox consoles are all about shooters.

[Garfunkel]

they are, they never stop mentioning Halo. I mean it is a good game but so very linear, and not even a shread of innovation. Half-life is 100x better.

[Kabbage]

they are, they never stop mentioning Halo. I mean it is a good game but so very linear, and not even a shread of innovation. Half-life is 100x better.

Bu But Resistance is the one that didnt do anything new :matrix:

[nemesis121]

WOW people in this thread need to see what a pussy looks like with there own eyes, instead of wanking off to one on a Monitor, wow this thread is full of Nerds that need to get laid.

[VG Aficionado]

WOW people in this thread need to see what a pussy looks like with there own eyes, instead of wanking off to one on a Monitor, wow this thread is full of Nerds that need to get laid.LOL, you must be right to some extent. Honestly, I'm sure there are places where extreme fanboyism is a direct consequence of what you just said. And I'm not talking about PlayStation fanboyism, even though it of course exists as well.

Bu But Resistance is the one that didnt do anything new :matrix:What about being the first FPS in the market to support motion sensing?

[Domination]

hey what's happenin people. i haven't been here too much lately. but when i do browse through i see some ps3 exclusive coming to the 360(well..maybe not that much. but i know you all understand my exaggeration). personally i think its great. VF is one of my favorite series. AC seems like it will be fun. and the others seem like they might be fun(i can't remember. i'm supposed to be getting ready for work).

but i want to know how the forums feel about it all. and the fact that some of these games were being made for the ps3(the "supposed" more powerful console) and then being taken to the 360. (by the way. i don't think that there is a more powerful console. i think they both have their strengths and weakness's that make them better than the other)

:salute: :damarus:

Well, I'm definitely not agitated by the announement if that's what you were looking for. Not only is the console just now leaving the gate, not only does it have a huge number of its own exclusives on the horizone, not only are a lot of these titles and other so called exclusives from other platformers launching on it as well, but to invest in something for one reason alone will only lead to disappoinment when it's all over with.

Right now the PS3 is offering so much more than what is already out there, IMO. So I can't see why this here would be disappointing news.

I hope that helped.

[cliffbo]

my feelings?... if MS somehow takes over both console and PC i will giveup gaming entirely. I just have no intrest in MS style of gaming... I just might even go outside

FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FP S...FPS...FPS...FPS...

[cliffbo]

I feel Sony is not doing enough and letting their lead be eroded by an entirely different aspect (HD movies). They should have kept their exclusives and so far they have failed. They have failed to get the machine out in respectable numbers and have let their relationship with the press and the audience go sour.

So many mistakes in so little time. We keep losing exclusives seemingly every day and so far the superiority of the machine hasn't translated into any game, save for Motorstorm. I don't see why Sony lets this type of thing happen, KK and KH have a lot of work ahead of them. Given how things are though, I'll be thankful if we get a handfull of exclusives by the end of the generation. What's the point of producing a more powerful, exciting machine if you can't get the titles that show it??

give it a chance fella... everything isn't Sony's fault you know, devs have to take some of the flack. its not like Sony have told third party devs to bring out second rate software, its that the devs have got to work at getting the best from the PS3, but are failing at the moment. if failure is equaling the 360 then thats got to be good news for us

[VG Aficionado]

FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FP S...FPS...FPS...FPS...Well, more like shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot... ;)

[cliffbo]

Well, more like shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot... ;)

thank christ for Sony and Nintendo

fun...fun...fun...fun...fun...fun

[jaxmkii]

thank christ for Sony and Nintendo

fun...fun...fun...fun...fun...funAmen:grouphug:

[jaxmkii]

FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FP S...FPS...FPS...FPS...
theres always the PC

FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...RTS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FP S...MMORPG...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...RTS...FPS...F PS...FPS...FPS...MMORPG...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS... RTS...FPS...FPS...FPS...FPS...MMORPG...

[Logan Cano]

Sony hasn't lost any of THEIR exclusives. They've lost third party titles that were only exclusive for a limited time. And didn't want to repay for its exclusivity. Now we both get those games (PS3 fans and 360 fans). Sony's putting a lot of faith in there first and second party games. Enough that they feel loosing money to secure third party exclusivity isn't worth it. And in the end its better for Sony and there 1st party games.

That's not really true. DQ used to be a huge Sony exclusive, and now the title is on the DS. VF used to be a permanent Sony exclusive and now it's multiplattform. Same case with Armored Core and Resident Evil.

We have plenty of exclusive titles that WONT be on any other consoles. More than a few. And many of these games look to really be gems (MotorStorm, Heavanly Sword ect..ect). Enough that a multi-platform game appearing on both consoles will mean little in terms of attracting gamers to the competition. Unless there only concerned with the price of the console (where the 360 obviously has the edge). But when it comes to games the PS3 has the edge imo.

PS3 does have the edge, but it irks me to see games that used to be, well, ours, going to the competition. The only big third party franchises that remain, are FF, DMC and MGS. I am sure you know this, but ever since the PSOne, PlayStation has been about huge exclusives that you can't get anywhere. Not only the best games were on it, you simply could only get them on a PlayStation.

Now that simply has eroded. It almost feels like there are no important third party exclusives now. As cool as Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm might be, they do not replace a entire library of big exclusive third party games.

[jaxmkii]

they'll just be new exclusives

[Domination]

I dont really see how the PS3 is even slightly more powerful than the 360 as a whole. Sony needs to come through with more exclusives, better titles, software refinement, and work on reducing the price of the console. Its so early in the game for any dooms day scenario anyways. Once the consoles are more situated in the market we may see some of the now 3rd party multipl. devs go exclusive once market penetration can justify it.

I think Sony really has done a horrid job regarding the launch but with a approx. 5 year console cycle I cant see it being much of a factor in the years to come. Many of these negative aspects and dooms scenarios are about 2-3 years early. Sony needs something to draw the consumer to the PS3 and justify the higher price point, as it is right now a BR player just doesnt seem enough (although we will see when shipment steadies itself).

I disagree. It's easier to say this now, just as it was the gen before, because the 360 has been out much longer and is far more easier to take advantage of than the PS3. I have been saying this from the begining. Only now does the difference seem minimum and fixed at a consistant gap between the two. It's not that I'm expecting Sony to come out dominating the charts or anything when the wheels start to turn a little more. All I'm saying is the longer the PlayStation 3 stays on shelves, the more it will began to evolve. I feel the media is really underestimating them on this end.

There are some changes I am hoping for right away, including things like library and flexibilty, but I'm not too hopeful of them happening every time something goes wrong. But I do agree with you that changes need to be made. I just think with a first entry, it's far too early to expect so much from a premature console. In time and only with time, I see a lot of these issues being addressed, but how long I'm not entirely sure.

[Domination]

That's not really true. DQ used to be a huge Sony exclusive, and now the title is on the DS. VF used to be a permanent Sony exclusive and now it's multiplattform. Same case with Armored Core and Resident Evil.

PS3 does have the edge, but it irks me to see games that used to be, well, ours, going to the competition. The only big third party franchises that remain, are FF, DMC and MGS. I am sure you know this, but ever since the PSOne, PlayStation has been about huge exclusives that you can't get anywhere. Not only the best games were on it, you simply could only get them on a PlayStation.

Now that simply has eroded. It almost feels like there are no important third party exclusives now. As cool as Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm might be, they do not replace a entire library of big exclusive third party games.

I thought this was worth mentioning:

Lost Planet

"We will try to keep it as a 360 exclusive...But, from the company's point of view, when you think about the business, in the future it's something we might have to do," Takeuchi said.
source (http://www.psu.com/node/6284)

The thing is the console is just now getting out the door. You are prematurely basing it's future on a first entry. Motor Storm and Heavenly Sword are only a fraction of exclusives coming from first and second party. If every other were to be included, it would clearly be rated as the largest of amongst the three. This doesn't even factor in what could come from 3rd party as the life cycle progresses.

[woundingchaney]

I disagree. It's easier to say this now, just as it was the gen before, because the 360 has been out much longer and is far more easier to take advantage of than the PS3. I have been saying this from the begining. Only now does the difference seem minimum and fixed at a consistant gap between the two. It's not that I'm expecting Sony to come out dominating the charts or anything when the wheels start to turn a little more. All I'm saying is the longer the PlayStation 3 stays on shelves, the more it will began to evolve. I feel the media is really underestimating them on this end.

There are some changes I am hoping for right away, including things like library and flexibilty, but I'm not too hopeful of them happening every time something goes wrong. But I do agree with you that changes need to be made. I just think with a first entry, it's far too early to expect so much from a premature console. In time and only with time, I see a lot of these issues being addressed, but how long I'm not entirely sure.

I disagree, devs have been working with the Cell longer than they have been working with Xenos. The RSX is basically an off the shelf card, I cant see there being a programming complication there. The PS3 may have just "released" but devs have been working with the hardware just as long (and in some cases longer) as the 360 hardware.

I expect there always to be a power struggle between the two and if a gap does evolve I dont expect it until the end of the gen. and I dont necessarily look for that gap to be on the PS3 side.

[Domination]

I disagree, devs have been working with the Cell longer than they have been working with Xenos. The RSX is basically an off the shelf card, I cant see there being a programming complication there. The PS3 may have just "released" but devs have been working with the hardware just as long (and in some cases longer) as the 360 hardware.

I expect there always to be a power struggle between the two and if a gap does evolve I dont expect it until the end of the gen. and I dont necessarily look for that gap to be on the PS3 side.

Even if they were working with a Cell before the Xenos and Xenon, the Cell they were working with was not only more difficult to tap compared to the kits coming from Microsoft, but they were downgraded in just about every single area to the final Cell. How does this help developers when one is working with the final tools much more comprehensive [Xenos & Xenon] for a certain period and another with similar, yet more challenging, tools that are downgraded from the final tools? That means working with its final tools only gives PlayStation developers more to worry about in this particular case, not less.

And we haven't even seen the RSX, or at least a lot of what needs to be known about it is still exclusive to insiders. Sure, we can say that it's an off-the-shelf GPU, but how does its relationship to the Cell help improve the overall performance, and just how powerful is it to the Xenos? If the hardware is still being understood, then there is still information missing on how far it can be pushed. This reminds me of Itagaki when the PS2 launched. He claimed one thing and developers did another after the learning experience had been overcome.

[OmniCloud]

I don't think your giving enough credit to the devs. Its not that easy to develop an amazing game. Not to mention the PS3 isn't leaps and bounds more powerful than the 360, so naturally its not gonna have games that are leaps and bounds beyond what you see on the 360. I feel your being a little unfair to Sony with your "loosing respect" if you don't see games that are leaps and bounds beyond the 360 graphically. Its like your faulting Sony for being a company and putting there product in a good light.

And I hate how people use graphics as a meter for the consoles worth. If you ONLY want the PS3 because you want the graphics to look waaaay better then graphics on any other console then you might as well stick with the 360 imo because it most likey wont happen. Now if you want great games with great graphics and gameplay then I feel you'll get that on both consoles. And you'll get graphics that'll blow you away on both consoles. Thats what I want from next-gen. MotorStorm is an example...games like this is what i base my decision on. Great gameplay and graphics and the potential to have an amazing time playing it. Not if it looks better than PGR3 or not. PS3 has a lot of games that have that potential imo. More so then the 360 IMHO.

I'll wait until next year to get my PS3. Plenty of time to save up to since its obvious the PS3 doesn't have much now (and no excuse on my part to complain about the price lol). You only buy the PS3 once (if your lucky...who knows what'll happen further down the line with the launch consoles) so no need to complain about the how "much more" expensive it is then the 360 imo. More bang for your buck so its worth it if you ask me.What systems ever blew away another is the same generation man? I'm not saying PS3 games should be leaps and bounds above 360, but they should look better. Nothing on the market should look as good as GT5 when it's released. Nothing should look as good MGS4 when its released. Get my drift? It doesn't have to be leaps and bounds above 360, Gears isn't leaps and bounds above other games on the market-but it does look the best right now...Sony should have a least 4 or 5 of these type of titles...And Killzone should look better than Halo 3 if that target render was indeed an accurate estimation....I'm not dogging Sony at all! I'm just saying the games should speak for PS3 VERY LOUDLY! Because many of the great titles will be shared between the two systems, for people to choose which system to play all these games on, the ones that are exclusive should makes consumers swing in Sony's favor...

[OmniCloud]

It'll be funny if PS3 is half of the PR talk that Sony has been pushing and the games really do start to look better by as early as 2007...I really wanna go into an EB store and have a long conversation with one of the retail clerks then....Sony didn't make hardware for the past 15 years-I guess they just don't know how to make great performing consoles anymore-lol

[woundingchaney]

Even if they were working with a Cell before the Xenos and Xenon, the Cell they were working with was not only more difficult to tap compared to the kits coming from Microsoft, but they were downgraded in just about every single area to the final Cell. How does this help developers when one is working with the final tools much more comprehensive [Xenos & Xenon] for a certain period and another with similar, yet more challenging, tools that are downgraded from the final tools? That means working with its final tools only gives PlayStation developers more to worry about in this particular case, not less.

And we haven't even seen the RSX, or at least a lot of what needs to be known about it is still exclusive to insiders. Sure, we can say that it's an off-the-shelf GPU, but how does its relationship to the Cell help improve the overall performance, and just how powerful is it to the Xenos? If the hardware is still being understood, then there is still information missing on how far it can be pushed. This reminds me of Itagaki when the PS2 launched. He claimed one thing and developers did another after the learning experience had been overcome.

Well Dom. well chock it up to a disagreement (rather than going round about again we can continue in PM if you like), Im sure everyone knows were I stand and Im aware of were others stand.

I dont think this was the point of the original post and its my fault for swerving the conversation. I apologize.

[EvilTaru]

Is it really your birthday? lol. MotorStorm is a good christmas gift if it is.

Yes it is my birthday and Sony has released the GTHD demo just in time (thanks KK, KH, SY and KY!!!), if only I can get on the store to down load it!!!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/gladtomeetya.gif

[OmniCloud]

WOW people in this thread need to see what a pussy looks like with there own eyes, instead of wanking off to one on a Monitor, wow this thread is full of Nerds that need to get laid.That's kinda rude and disrespectful to female posters man... (yes there are some) I get laid all the time (Trying to quit-it is a SIN ya know!) and I still wanna know which console is gonna be the best this gen..so I post of the forums...Nothing to do with sex at all.

[julps31]

What systems ever blew away another is the same generation man? I'm not saying PS3 games should be leaps and bounds above 360, but they should look better. Nothing on the market should look as good as GT5 when it's released. Nothing should look as good MGS4 when its released. Get my drift? It doesn't have to be leaps and bounds above 360, Gears isn't leaps and bounds above other games on the market-but it does look the best right now...Sony should have a least 4 or 5 of these type of titles...And Killzone should look better than Halo 3 if that target render was indeed an accurate estimation....I'm not dogging Sony at all! I'm just saying the games should speak for PS3 VERY LOUDLY! Because many of the great titles will be shared between the two systems, for people to choose which system to play all these games on, the ones that are exclusive should makes consumers swing in Sony's favor...I think anybody would agree with that sentiment. The devs would agree lol. And Sony would too. But that doesn't make it any easier. Yea I do think that Killzone will look better than any other shooter on the market when its released, and GT5 better than Forza or any other sim racer. I was mostly responding to your comment that you would loose respect for Sony if these games don't look any better then others.

And @ Evil Taru.....











Happy BIIIIRTHDAY!!! TO YOOOUUU!!!!!! And MANY MORE!!!!!!! :birthday:

[Rui]

Do people here still believe that the PS3 is going to be leaps and bounds graphically than the 360? The machines are comparable, the difference will be slimmer than between the PS2 and Xbox, so in the end it won't matter that much. Only something like the Wii is severely hindered graphically.

[Nights]

Well look at it this way:

The same was said with Dreamcast to PS2.

Intially the PS2 games looked worse than dreamcast games. It wasn't until Devils May Cry did the public finally get an understanding of the systems power.

[Domination]

Do people here still believe that the PS3 is going to be leaps and bounds graphically than the 360? The machines are comparable, the difference will be slimmer than between the PS2 and Xbox, so in the end it won't matter that much. Only something like the Wii is severely hindered graphically.

This is nothing that hasn't already been acknowledged. Just because you won't see this level of difference does not mean you won't see a difference. Let me use a few examples:


Sega Genesis & SNES
Saturn & PS1
PS1 & N64
N64 & Dreamcast
Dreamcast & PlayStation 2
PS2 & GameCube
GameCube & Xbox


This is not the same gap as the PS2 and Xbox or DS and PSP, but the gap is noticable. And the way things are shaping up, it's going to be more than just a mere resolution difference.

[Mitri]

I feel you. Sometimes I feel Xbox consoles are all about shooters

i think anyone who believes that only listens to halo fanboys and only looks at one genre. there are more things to the xbox consoles than just fps. Gears is 3rdps, Fable is a prized RPG, Forza was rated better than GT4, PGR is a prized racing series, KoTor was a prized RPG, Jade Empire was a prized RPG, and there are more. but those are the ones that i'm looking at in my stack right now.

For every FPS xbox has PS has a RPG. Only a few of the handfuls are good from either console. Halo=FF.

Let's keep that sorta talk to the madhouse!

[Nights]

You are right. Sega Saturn was graphically superior to the PSX.

[Applefiend]

You are right. Sega Saturn was graphically superior to the PSX.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STYVDCFcW8c 8 Processors baby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npv3JbbIkeQ Fly plaything, fly!

8 cores for the win baby. Sega Saturn for life. Didn't like the Dreamcast so much.

My revised feelings is PS3 has had a very good birth month (11 November - 11 December) with..
Resistance, Linux, RR7, Motorstorm Demo

The next month is even better(11th December - 11th January)
Motorstorm Japan, GT HD Demo, Fight Night R3, Formula 1 Japan

Month after that, bit quiet, then you get a rocking 2 months.

[Viano]

not againsting anyone but PS always have more games ♪o♪

[Garfunkel]

the saturn was an absolute beast in it's day, far far ahead of it's time, much like the gamegear

[VG Aficionado]

Forza was rated better than GT4Based on its 30 fps frame rate or in the amount of cars and tracks? I'm afraid Forza does not surpass GT4 in terms of features and content. And I don't see how you can conclude it's rated better than GT4 when we're talking about two different platforms. Not to mention GT4's sales are well above Forza's.

Halo=FFMaybe yes in terms of fan base loyalty, but other than that, it's a very "yuck" "comparison", to be honest.

You are right. Sega Saturn was graphically superior to the PSX.the saturn was an absolute beast in it's day, far far ahead of it's time, much like the gamegearI'm not sure about that, but I do remember very clearly a Tomb Raider head to head review, and not only it looked worse on Saturn, but the frame rate was poorer as well.

[Mitri]

Based on its 30 fps frame rate or in the amount of cars and tracks? I'm afraid Forza does not surpass GT4 in terms of features and content. And I don't see how you can conclude it's rated better than GT4 when we're talking about two different platforms. Not to mention GT4's sales are well above Forza's.

i couldn't make that judgement. i haven't played GT4. but i've played Forza. and i've read alot of reviews about both games. and Forza got better ratings than GT4. that's what i was saying.

Maybe yes in terms of fan base loyalty, but other than that, it's a very "yuck" "comparison", to be honest

o i know its a horrible comparison. i was just saying the biggest titles for both consoles. Halo is the biggest title for Xbox and Final Fantasy is the biggest for PS. and i was trying to bring out the fact more about each console only having a few good titles in their main category.

and if anyone knows where i can get a sega saturn for relatively cheap..pm me or something. i've wanted one since the days it was released and i could never get one. sigh.

[Nights]

I'm not sure about that, but I do remember very clearly a Tomb Raider head to head review, and not only it looked worse on Saturn, but the frame rate was poorer as well.

Tomb Raider was not a graphic high point for the saturn. In fact it was not even close.

Grandia which pushes far more polygons looked better on the Sega Saturn.

PSX version had framerate issues, lack of all the special effects, and more

It was the Saturn exclusives that really pushed the system. Nobody could do anything compared to Sega with the system.

Examples:
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shenmue - If you don't believe me see the video on youtube, then all doubts will rest.
Shining Force 3
Burning Rangers

2D we all know the Saturn had no competition with it's ram card. Shenmue was the only 3d game to utilize the ram card - druels!

[cliffbo]

saturn:
http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/games/coverg/70/632870.jpg

PS1:
http://media.1up.com/media?id=1048564&type=lg

not much in it

[EvilTaru]

If anything, for their own sake, I hope third-party developers will give Sony enough exclusives to keep Sony happy enough from taking over major genres with their own first-party products like they have with Gran Turismo (there are at least 5+ mil users out there that will never touch any non-GT offering ever again), the platforming genre with Jak/R&C/Sly Cooper, God of War has already cannibalized a rather significant chunk of market in the 3D action genre as well (maybe that's why Tecmo decided to put NG on the PS3 before Heavenly Sword grabs yet another chunk from the market), and with Eight Days and Getaway they're definitely going for the crime/sandbox genre (would R* be happy when Sony finally decides to start pumping even more money in their own Studio London and Team Soho so they can hire absolutely the best talent?).

Sony has been the most third-party friendly console maker/first-party developer-publisher out there by far (considering Nintendo really couldn't care less if one of their first-party titles demolishes a big third-party title, even an exclusive one, on their platform, and MS has already shown they can drop a third-party developer like Ninja Theory like a rock after Kungfu Chaos bombed, and similarly with Lorne Lanning and Oddworld), ESPECIALLY in Japan, but multiplatforming does NOT guarantee more sales for these third-party publishers in the long run, when Sony figures out this isn't necessarily a good enough deal for them and start going after various genres, it doesn't mean the Playstation userbase will necessarily stick with the existing franchises like COD, but rather be converted to first-party franchises if those are of better quality visually and in terms of gameplay, and once you start getting a userbase devoted to a quality first-party franchise, often it's near IMPOSSIBLE to get them to even take a look at third-party games anymore.

Recent acquisition of Zipper and Guerilla Games, and the development of Resistance, is an indication that Sony sensed a major need in the FPS genre for exclusives, and that they're not afraid to fill that need in that genre with or without third-party help, there won't always be a market for stuff like Call of Duty or Medal of Honor, or GRAW, if Sony decided they should simply make their own first-party games in the genre play better, look more gorgeous and marketed better, you might end up with a userbase, for that genre, being strictly first-party centric, receptive to only first-party franchises, and that is NOT good for third-party developers/publishers AT ALL, and with first-party developers being able to invest more fully in learning the hardware, at least in terms of the PS3, I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing a real difference in terms of first-party quality over third-party multiplatform titles. It's only a matter of time before the quality of a first-party franchise like MLB The Show starts spreading to the rest of the sports line-up. It would not be good for third-party publishers for Sony to have a major, million-seller franchise in each genre just to make sure their own userbase is satisfied.

Also, regarding the major gaming publications and their anti-PS3 tendencies, Sony and the PS3 are easy targets right now because things like game library and PSN aren't mature enough yet, but they need to realize whatever they're up to, that the PS3 is here to stay and if they piss off SCEA enough, they're the ones who will be paying for it in the long run, especially given the major game shows have been scaled back and their ability to cover things will be limited to what publishers/developers are giving them, and developers/publishers are more able to pick and choose who gets the info first and who gets screwed.

[Nights]

Dude check out the Sega Saturn: (Tomb Raider was a weak game for the system) Games on the Saturn had 60 frames for the most part, when you see them in motion it makes a huge difference.

Shenmue Sega Saturn Ver. (The only 3d title that used the ram card, just imagine other games using it) Not possible on PSX.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UE2smkBf5kg&mode=related&search=

Dead or Alive (far superior to the PSX version)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1a0lFx9echA

Panzer Dragoon 2 Zwei - In 16:9 Widescreen (Saturn had titles with Widescreen support - made it that much better)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y8BB9ttmgI4&mode=related&search=

Shining Force 3 video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-686236504862829920&q=sega+saturn The scenes with polygons fighting are ingame!

Panzer Dragoon Saga:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=puHcf0Mepyw&mode=related&search=

Princess Crown (Proof 2d needs a comeback)
One of the best RPG's ever made.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QYepSMufbMk&mode=related&search=

Sonic Jam (3D Sonic Level) - Superior to Mario 64 graphics.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MmYuwh7Eicc

Quake - Saturn (far superior to psx version)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nvyILaugC9k

Powerslave - Saturn (superior)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uhcx4aPM3aY

Sega Rally
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGOVMAIeOxE&mode=related&search=

Fighter Megamix (Favorite fighting game)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tttP_m13nxc&mode=related&search=

Fighting Vipers
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pP-lQjeiZCM

Burning Rangers
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KvPs1XOvMH8

Shining The Holy Ark
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5eX1ksPHVhs&mode=related&search=

Astal - 1st Gen (Just one of my favorite 2d games)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3VlFtv1AZ_k

Grandia - Saturn version was far superior (Read the comments)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=32iyNSIo0kY&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yG7KrJVrVhA&mode=related&search=

Clockwork Knights 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=escaoaXEPyI

Street Fighter Alpha 3 (2d power of the Saturn)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ISbkYZwh1Q8&mode=related&search=

Guardian Heroes (2d but the best game EVER!)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lQCd0pbZ89I

Nights
http://youtube.com/watch?v=21SUBCPUSGU

Sonic Extreme - Beta (Anyone else reminded of Mario Galaxy?)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CstboN2_PpI

Great now I put down Final Fantasy XII to play Nights into Dreams in widescreen, man it's a classic and even cooler in widescreen. It's my first time playing it in widescreen for I just got a widescreen HD TV. My saturn is connected via Svideo for best results.

Duke Nukem 3D - Sega Saturn
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hQlB2xpjNWM&mode=related&search=

Tomb Raider - That pic was a joke.
(sega saturn version) - Though the PSX version was superior.
http://manu.interdeal.free.fr/tombraider.jpg

[Garfunkel]

The saturn had 8 processors, kinda like the CELL! The ps1 was not worthy of being it's competitor. (Not to say i don't love the ps1!) but the saturn was far far superior.

[Pumpkin Head]

If anything, for their own sake, I hope third-party developers will give Sony enough exclusives to keep Sony happy enough from taking over major genres with their own first-party products like they have with Gran Turismo (there are at least 5+ mil users out there that will never touch any non-GT offering ever again), the platforming genre with Jak/R&C/Sly Cooper, God of War has already cannibalized a rather significant chunk of market in the 3D action genre as well (maybe that's why Tecmo decided to put NG on the PS3 before Heavenly Sword grabs yet another chunk from the market), and with Eight Days and Getaway they're definitely going for the crime/sandbox genre (would R* be happy when Sony finally decides to start pumping even more money in their own Studio London and Team Soho so they can hire absolutely the best talent?).

Sony has been the most third-party friendly console maker/first-party developer-publisher out there by far (considering Nintendo really couldn't care less if one of their first-party titles demolishes a big third-party title, even an exclusive one, on their platform, and MS has already shown they can drop a third-party developer like Ninja Theory like a rock after Kungfu Chaos bombed, and similarly with Lorne Lanning and Oddworld), ESPECIALLY in Japan, but multiplatforming does NOT guarantee more sales for these third-party publishers in the long run, when Sony figures out this isn't necessarily a good enough deal for them and start going after various genres, it doesn't mean the Playstation userbase will necessarily stick with the existing franchises like COD, but rather be converted to first-party franchises if those are of better quality visually and in terms of gameplay, and once you start getting a userbase devoted to a quality first-party franchise, often it's near IMPOSSIBLE to get them to even take a look at third-party games anymore.

Recent acquisition of Zipper and Guerilla Games, and the development of Resistance, is an indication that Sony sensed a major need in the FPS genre for exclusives, and that they're not afraid to fill that need in that genre with or without third-party help, there won't always be a market for stuff like Call of Duty or Medal of Honor, or GRAW, if Sony decided they should simply make their own first-party games in the genre play better, look more gorgeous and marketed better, you might end up with a userbase, for that genre, being strictly first-party centric, receptive to only first-party franchises, and that is NOT good for third-party developers/publishers AT ALL, and with first-party developers being able to invest more fully in learning the hardware, at least in terms of the PS3, I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing a real difference in terms of first-party quality over third-party multiplatform titles. It's only a matter of time before the quality of a first-party franchise like MLB The Show starts spreading to the rest of the sports line-up. It would not be good for third-party publishers for Sony to have a major, million-seller franchise in each genre just to make sure their own userbase is satisfied.

Also, regarding the major gaming publications and their anti-PS3 tendencies, Sony and the PS3 are easy targets right now because things like game library and PSN aren't mature enough yet, but they need to realize whatever they're up to, that the PS3 is here to stay and if they piss off SCEA enough, they're the ones who will be paying for it in the long run, especially given the major game shows have been scaled back and their ability to cover things will be limited to what publishers/developers are giving them, and developers/publishers are more able to pick and choose who gets the info first and who gets screwed.I agree 100% + rep that was a awesome read.

[OmniCloud]

Yeah that was well-written Evil-Taru+rep

btw-is Eight days published by Sony?
And where the hell is Monster Kingdom?
Man...any1 else wanna a time machine?

[EvilTaru]

Yeah that was well-written Evil-Taru+rep

btw-is Eight days published by Sony?
And where the hell is Monster Kingdom?
Man...any1 else wanna a time machine?

Eight Days is internally developed at SCEE London Studio.
Monster Kingdom is still in development at Game Republic.
Both are published by SCEWW.

[OmniCloud]

^Awesome! LOL....

[VG Aficionado]

For being superior, they screwed up really badly. Shame on you and your MegaCD and 32x, Sega. You had to kill your two good systems because of your crappy add-ons. I wish Sega had created a next gen system.

[Applefiend]

Yeah, for the first 18 months of the Saturn/PS1/N64 war I was a giant Saturn fan boy. By late 1997 you could see Saturn was dead in the water and PS1 was so strong so I switched to PS1 as my main console.

Great system the Saturn. Only sold 10 million world wide, but right on the cusp of the end of the 2D era and the begining of the 3D era. If you want to see how 3D gaming began and 2D ended, this is the console you want.

[Garfunkel]

Yeah, for the first 18 months of the Saturn/PS1/N64 war I was a giant Saturn fan boy. By late 1997 you could see Saturn was dead in the water and PS1 was so strong so I switched to PS1 as my main console.

Great system the Saturn. Only sold 10 million world wide, but right on the cusp of the end of the 2D era and the begining of the 3D era. If you want to see how 3D gaming began and 2D ended, this is the console you want.

good times :)

[Mitri]

i don't know if you guys heard me earlier..but I WANT A SATURN..WHERE CAN I GET ONE?!?

[jaxmkii]

For being superior, they screwed up really badly. Shame on you and your MegaCD and 32x, Sega. You had to kill your two good systems because of your crappy add-ons. I wish Sega had created a next gen system.
take note Mr Moore
what makes you think its going to work again?...

[EvilTaru]

take note Mr Moore
what makes you think its going to work again?...

I feel bad for Ed Fries... well not really, but the fact is he didn't get to hang around to reap the fruits of his labor, I wonder if Fries is still consulting with FireAnt/SOE Seattle?

[nemesis121]

I spent hours playing Guardian Heroes, the Greatest side scroller EVER, they need to make a Part 2.

[Sephiroth_VII]

i don't know if you guys heard me earlier..but I WANT A SATURN..WHERE CAN I GET ONE?!?

Here (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?fsop=1&fsoo=1&keyword=on&from=R3&strKw=+sega+saturn&siteid=0&satitle=sega+saturn+console&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6)

[EvilTaru]

My feeling is that Futureshop had 1000 units online and every last unit has been sold out in 4 hours. ~_~

[Applefiend]

My feelings:

Wii - Still on the same set of batteries I got with the machine
360 - Same set of rechargables I had in November(Switch on, play Gears to end, switch off)
PS3 - At least 5 recharges, that's about 150 or so hours of gameplay. :)

[Nights]

My feelings:

Wii - Still on the same set of batteries I got with the machine
360 - Same set of rechargables I had in November(Switch on, play Gears to end, switch off)
PS3 - At least 5 recharges, that's about 150 or so hours of gameplay. :)

Wow...you played your ps3 that long. I guess I been so excited about other things I haven't even reallyh touched mine, besides for watching movies on.

[Applefiend]

Yeah played through Resistance, played tons of Ridge Racer 7, played lots of Genji 2 (Shurrup! :) ), Motorstorm for 3 days straight, lots of Blu Ray movies, installed Linux, played lots of Mame on Linux, bit of COD3, GT HD demo, lots of Lemmings, lots of Blast Factor,lots of Marvel UL, used it as music player, watched podcasts on it.

Tons of fun!

And then it's Gripshift, Flow, calling all cars, Oblivion, Fatal Inertia, VF5, online Motorstorm, fun fun fun until February.

360 will get switched on for Lost Planet, it will be awesome, then switched off again until August. Wii will get switched on to finish Zedla and then switched off until possibly November.

PS3/PS2 fun never stops. Woooooo!

If I had a boss PC I'd be playing that, lots of very excellent stuff on PC right now.

[EvilTaru]

Where are you in Motorstorm? I just finished "The Blender Level 3". I think it's 9/21, whatever that means. The game is much longer than I thought.