2007: PS3 losing more exclusive titles?

[Cless]

Damn don't let this be true. :(

We're as sober as the Pope. Watch and see how other Japanese publishers react. Mark our words here: Other publishers, other big-name Japanese publishers aside from Capcom (how we love thee, Capcom), will begin putting their once Sony exclusives on Xbox 360. And, in some cases, they'll put them on Xbox 360 first. Don't believe us? Watch for Namco and Konami in 2007. We're still not certain whether Metal Gear Solid 4 will hit Xbox 360, but if numbers (of units sold) do the talking, count on its arrival to Xbox 360 sometime after the PS3 version. What about Namco? We're sworn to secrecy, but the tide is changing here too. Prepare for some real Namco hardcore gaming love in 2007. Overall, Sony has reacted with alarm, anger, confusion, and is now realizing it must deal with this new situation: It isn't the console leader anymore. Oh yeah, almost forgot. Then there are Mistwalker's Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, two highly anticipated Japanese RPGS exclusive to the console. And, oh yes, did somebody say something about Resident Evil 5?

source
h**p://xbox360.ign.com/articles/749/749547p7.html

WTF is wrong with Konami & Namco? If Suikoden 6, Tekken (not likely) or Tales series games gonna show up first on the Xbox360, I am gonna boycott every Microsoft software and hardware, yeah uninstalling Windows for sure!

No I am never gonna buy an Xbox360. The more Microsoft is doing this the more I hate them.

What do you guys think, is it really true?

[masteratt]

Okay so all this stuff might be true but look at the way this is written for fuck sake :mad:
I am not mad because they clearly favour and get erections over X360, I am just pissed off at how unprofessional a big site like IGN gets :mad:

And for the 208753489157932nd time, Sony is not "panicking". They know exactly what theya re doing. They know they can't rely on 3rd party this gen as it clearly shows.

They are spending money on their own development houses.

This doesn't mean jack as long as PS3 still gets the games and what the hell is he talking about with the RE5 thing?

[Derrick Barra]

This would be awesome, I don't have the money to buy a PS3 in the near future, and truthfully on it's horizon only one game excites me (FF13), so any big titles that make it to the 360 is just another bonus to me.

Don't hate the systems or the companies man, just play the games. Competition is healthy for the industry, as much as the companies hate it. (To Cless)

[mario25]

Two big budget games like BD and Lost Planet bomb in japan (yes, they bombed, there is no reason to act like they are super mega hits because they sold 70k and 20k on 360 on their first day, those numbers are bad) and yet japanese developers are crazy to support the 360 in japan?...seems weird....no?

[VG Aficionado]

Sony isn't the console leader anymore? Does that mean the 100+ million PS2 units and counting sold don't mean anything by now? Or that a system that is seling so poorly in Japan will beat PS3 or Wii in the long term? :laugh:

Two big budget games like BD and Lost Planet bomb in japan (yes, they bombed, there is no reason to act like they are super mega hits because they sold 70k and 20k on 360 on their first day, those numbers are bad) and yet japanese developers are crazy to support the 360 in japan?...seems weird....no?Definately, those sales figures are not promising for a system which has been offered at a huge discount in Japan for more than a year now. And those don't even mean they'll buy many more games or that they'll keep their systems after they're done with them for that matter.

Honestly, I'm tired of all that BS. One thing is that they are glad a few PS3 exclusives are being ported to 360, and another thing is that they're expecting everything to be only favourable to 360 while they want PS3's situation to get worse. These guys just don't take Japan into account, and same goes with the fact that PS3 almost hasn't launched, since Europe still has to say something about it.

[Kabbage]

This would be awesome, I don't have the money to buy a PS3 in the near future, and truthfully on it's horizon only one game excites me (FF13), so any big titles that make it to the 360 is just another bonus to me.

Don't hate the systems or the companies man, just play the games. Competition is healthy for the industry, as much as the companies hate it. (To Cless)Yeah every title on every system is the epitome of competition


Oh wait....


HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Raijin]

Two big budget games like BD and Lost Planet bomb in japan (yes, they bombed, there is no reason to act like they are super mega hits because they sold 70k and 20k on 360 on their first day, those numbers are bad) and yet japanese developers are crazy to support the 360 in japan?...seems weird....no?

Simply because they care less and less of their own market. The shriking of the japanese market could benefit in the end to Microsoft only because japanese developers will have to tailor their games closer to the western tastes. This and you add the high development cost of the games will put these japanese developers/publishers under pressure (financially speaking) and to be able to recoup their investment (yes the playstation userbase aint enough), multiplatform policy for the win.

In the end though, Sony has everything to lose...

[Pluto]

^ Exactly.

And then look at Enchanted Arms. It came from the Xbox 360 to the PS3 now.

I don't think ANYONE in Japan is in a rush to support to the Xbox 360..

[Kabbage]

Dont Support Multiplat whores...Especially the ones who want moneyhats for timed exclusivity trash.

Rockstar - UBI at least EA doesnt try to hide its whore nature

[mario25]

The thing is is that they mention japanese developers specifically. I understand capcom, they are on the 360 like crazy, so RE5 360 exclusive wouldn't surprise me, and that they later announce a PS3 version after poor sales in Europe and japan won't surprise me either.

But the rest of the japanese developers going 360 exclusive?...C'mon

[Kabbage]

The thing is is that they mention japanese developers specifically. I understand capcom, they are on the 360 like crazy, so RE5 360 exclusive wouldn't surprise me, and that they later announce a PS3 version after poor sales in Europe and japan won't surprise me either.

But the rest of the japanese developers going 360 exclusive?...C'monMS has enough money hats even for the Japanese.

[mario25]

Well, they should buy japan and get this over with.

[Kabbage]

Well, they should buy japan and get this over with.

MS: Hey Japan
Japan: Yes
MS: Moneyhat?
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/580792/2/istockphoto_580792_money_hat.jpg
Japan: Sure why not :Carrot:

[mario25]

Lol!!

[VG Aficionado]

RE5 360 exclusive wouldn't surprise me, and that they later announce a PS3 version after poor sales in Europe and japan won't surprise me either.Huh??? Any kind of RE5 exclusivity with no RE fanbase at all on 360 and with PS3 sales figures in Japan surpassing 360's at a fast pace already? I'm afraid RE5, which is not coming out anytime soon (2008, probably), is going to sell more on the PS3 than on 360 eventually. And we don't know how will PS3 perform in Europe (probably very OK though), but what the hell are you talking about poor PS3 sales in Japan when it outsold 360 as soon as the supply provided enough systems? It's 360 the one in big trouble over there. It became the third one in two weeks despite having a year time advantage!

MS has enough money hats even for the Japanese.Why do I have the feeling no money hats will matter when sales won't live up to them in the coming years...

[mario25]

No no no....you got me wrong. I was trying to say that RE going exclusive to another platform other than the PS happened before and we all know how that ended. Capcom is not making a good job in keeping their dislike for the PS brand a secret. And just like it happened before, they will be forced to release this game on the PS3 because the userbase in europe and japan will be much larger than the 360 userbase.

Note that as of right now, the game game is coming to PS3 and 360, so all this talk is speculation.

[edoshin]

I used to not care about "exclusives" .. but I fear the "lowest denominator" factor may ruin the full potential of a given game. In any case, this may not be such a bad thing. If Sony has been sitting on their heels cruising on the success of PSOne and PS2, then this kind of news may be the kick in the butt they need to get off their asses and secure their own exclusives. But really, if a 3rd party needs to go multi-plat just to make money because of the cost of development, then so be it. I dont see the point in Sony bankrolling a 3rd party dev. We've seen them take on Guerilla and Ninja Theory when they see great potential.

[VG Aficionado]

No no no....you got me wrong. I was trying to say that RE going exclusive to another platform other than the PS happened before and we all know how that ended. Capcom is not making a good job in keeping their dislike for the PS brand a secret. And just like it happened before, they will be forced to release this game on the PS3 because the userbase in europe and japan will be much larger than the 360 userbase.Sure, but still, saying RE5 will have any kind of exclusivity deal on 360 seems very far-fetched at this point. And I don't see how Capcom dislikes PlayStation so much. They haven't sold better on any other platform to date, mostly when we're talking about RE series.

[Kabbage]

And I dont see how every system having every game is healthy competition it is basically just a game of horse with 2 exact same players. Redundant.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah.
Guys in all honesty sony doesn't have all the money in the world, so they can't just buy off every developer in the world with exclusives all day. They have to focus on getting their install base up and let the numbers do the talking.

WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE CONSOLIDATING THEIR FIRST PARTY STUDIOS
and greatly expanding and revising their first and 2nd party game resources, to put out quality games their damn selves, instead of having to rely on the third party market (despite that's what made the PlayStation the PlayStation). I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Sony saw this coming, and knew what they had to do. There was no way with the rising cost of game development they'd be able to make it worth everyone's while to support only them. Companies have to look out for their best interests, this is a business that needs revenue, so you're gonna see more cross-platform games. Hell, why do Nintendo fans buy Nintendo systems? For the games Nintendo makes.
And they've gotten along fine, although lack of 3rd party support has hurt them. You've got a bunch of games going back and forth on either platform. Seems to me Sony had two choices, (1)Go bankrupt buying up exclusives in an exclusives war with Microsoft which I don't think they could win, or (2), use that money to overhaul their own studios and put out their own top quality games, and more of them.
You do the math.

The business is changing. To what end? I'm not sure. But it affects everyone, sony fans, xbox fans, nintendo fans, whoever. And trust me, if there's one thing about change that I'm sure of, it's gonna happen.

I mean, goddamnit, the three hits coming in march, (heavenly sword, lair and motorstorm), are they not all (correct me if I'm wrong) published by sony? And that's 3 games in one month?




Instead of mourning the games that go cross-platform, 4/5 of which are franchises and sequels anyway, rejoice over all the NEW original titles coming out, new franchises being started ON PS3. Look at it this way, PS3 isn't just about continuing more of the same it's about starting some great new games and experiences as well.

Rejoice.

[solidsnakejej]

Well I was expecting more multi-platform games just because of the high cost of development. Until the third parties are convince that they will sell enough games to cover the cost on one system there will be few exclusives. But there are still tons of PS3 1st and 2nd party exclusives to look forward to, with 360 having a few 1st party. Sony has done a great job getting their own studios because they knew it was going to happen.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

botp
Yeah.
Guys in all honesty sony doesn't have all the money in the world, so they can't just buy off every developer in the world with exclusives all day. They have to focus on getting their install base up and let the numbers do the talking.

WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE CONSOLIDATING THEIR FIRST PARTY STUDIOS
and greatly expanding and revising their first and 2nd party game resources, to put out quality games their damn selves, instead of having to rely on the third party market (despite that's what made the PlayStation the PlayStation). I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Sony saw this coming, and knew what they had to do. There was no way with the rising cost of game development they'd be able to make it worth everyone's while to support only them. Companies have to look out for their best interests, this is a business that needs revenue, so you're gonna see more cross-platform games. Hell, why do Nintendo fans buy Nintendo systems? For the games Nintendo makes.
And they've gotten along fine, although lack of 3rd party support has hurt them. You've got a bunch of games going back and forth on either platform. Seems to me Sony had two choices, (1)Go bankrupt buying up exclusives in an exclusives war with Microsoft which I don't think they could win, or (2), use that money to overhaul their own studios and put out their own top quality games, and more of them.
You do the math.

The business is changing. To what end? I'm not sure. But it affects everyone, sony fans, xbox fans, nintendo fans, whoever. And trust me, if there's one thing about change that I'm sure of, it's gonna happen.

I mean, goddamnit, the three hits coming in march, (heavenly sword, lair and motorstorm), are they not all (correct me if I'm wrong) published by sony? And that's 3 games in one month?




Instead of mourning the games that go cross-platform, 4/5 of which are franchises and sequels anyway, rejoice over all the NEW original titles coming out, new franchises being started ON PS3. Look at it this way, PS3 isn't just about continuing more of the same it's about starting some great new games and experiences as well.

Rejoice.

[masteratt]

^ Exactly what I said but you elaborate better :thumpsup:

Guys Sony is not stupid enough to believe everyone will be working just for the PS3 especially with the late release and low numbers.

Just sit back and enjoy NEW AND FRESH IPs coming to your PS3 instead of BLAH BLAH FIVE or BLAH BLAH FOUR.

Last gen was all about 3rd party, this gen is all about new fresh IPs and Sony knows it and with Lair, Motorstorm and heavnly Sword showing up this early, Sony seems well on track.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride. Don't worry you'll still get all the has been sequel games of last gen if you really care that much.

[F089/H]

As long as we don't lose Tekken....I been playing all the tekkens lately...

If I had to control Yoshimitsu on something even slightly different than A DualShock,I would lose it.

[Afrikan]

As long as we don't lose Tekken....I been playing all the tekkens lately...

If I had to control Yoshimitsu on something even slightly different than A DualShock,I would lose it.

I am more worried about ACE Combat..... that game needs to be built from the ground up for the PS3 or I will be so pissed....its not even funny.....

ACE Combat has always pushed the PSone & PS2 to the max as far as Graphix, I do not want a game that is watered down just so the 360 can hold up....... I mean look at the Flight game that came out for the 360...it is garbage....

[F089/H]

I am more worried about ACE Combat..... that game needs to be built from the ground up for the PS3 or I will be so pissed....its not even funny.....

ACE Combat has always pushed the PSone & PS2 to the max as far as Graphix, I do not want a game that is watered down just so the 360 can hold up....... I mean look at the Flight game that came out for the 360...it is garbage....

Aye to that..As I've only played demos OF AC. I would need to go pick it up for$9.99 at my local GS.

You must be talking about...Damn I forgot..There Is only one person on my friends list who has it........

Over G Fighters! Thats it..Haven't played it..It's not in any of my local game shops.

[Mhi]

Last gen was all about 3rd party, this gen is all about new fresh IPs and Sony knows it.


Says who ? Sony ?

[woundingchaney]

Well I expect this to happen but its not a one sided matter, I also look for high caliber 360 titles to go to the PS3 in 2007 (Lost Planet).

People throw around the "exclusive" word a little to much. When exclusive is used it may only refer to a very limited time span between console version (3-6 months or so). So a dev. or corp. can come out and say the title is exclusive yet there are still plans to port the game.

[HolyPaladin]

WTF is wrong with Konami & Namco?

Nothing is wrong with them. They're businesses making smart business moves. The 360 has a much, much larger installed base than the PS3, so it makes perfect sense to support it, especially considering how expensive it is to make a game for the PS3 or 360. If anybody wants to argue against that, they need to 1) get some development cost figures, 2) get some figures for how much money the developers make from game sales, and 3) do some quick math to figure how many units of any given game must be sold in order to simply break even, let alone make a profit.

If Suikoden 6, Tekken (not likely) or Tales series games gonna show up first on the Xbox360, I am gonna boycott every Microsoft software and hardware, yeah uninstalling Windows for sure!

No I am never gonna buy an Xbox360. The more Microsoft is doing this the more I hate them.

1) Why does it hurt you if a game appears on a non-Sony console? Does it detract from the game in some way?

2) What exactly is Microsoft doing, again? They didn't swing by Japan and buy those studios, you know. They can do whatever the hell they want entirely on their own.

[RzrWire]

Even if more games are crossing over to the Xbox360 I personally don't mind if they get it first because the version of the game that comes out on the later system always has the extra goodies.

Another thing, don't think that this won't happen to Microsoft as well. I personally wouldn't mind a Tekken port to Xbox360 in exchange for a game like Gears of War for the PS3. What goes around comes around. It will only benefit us, the gamers, more than it will hurt us. Just as long as Sony keeps the important titles under lock and key we have nothing to worry about.

[Xerxes]

Well, at least we know that Heveanly Sword, Lair, Motorstorm, Resistance, Final Fantasy XIII Final, Fantasy Versus XIII, Killzone and Warhawk are PS3 exclusives. I'll pay 600 dollars just to play the next Final Fantasy.

As for Xbox exclusives, all they have is Blue Dragon, Halo, and Gears of War; the rest of the exclusives just repetitive shooter games.

[Jasonps3]

I think the reason why people are pissed off is because third parties won't be utilizing the true power of the PS3 or the bluray disc. They just want to know which system is powerful and want the proof fast ("if the PS3 is more powerful, prove it").

[Xerxes]

I think the reason why people are pissed off is because third parties won't be utilizing the true power of the PS3 or the bluray disc. They just want to know which system is powerful and want the proof fast ("if the PS3 is more powerful, prove it").

There will be games that you won't even be able to port on the 360 because of immense size in the future. The 360 and the PS3 are equal as of now, but some developers like Square-Enix will unlock the true power of the PS3; it happened on the PS1, PS2 and now it will happen on the PS3. The PS3 is about the future, you will see a huge difference and porting will be a thing of the past.

[OmniCloud]

I think the reason why people are pissed off is because third parties won't be utilizing the true power of the PS3 or the bluray disc. They just want to know which system is powerful and want the proof fast ("if the PS3 is more powerful, prove it").I think this is the quote of the day! +rep my nig...hit the nail on the head with that one.

[OmniCloud]

There will be games that you won't even be able to port on the 360 because of immense size in the future. The 360 and the PS3 are equal as of now, but some developers like Square-Enix will unlock the true power of the PS3; it happened on the PS1, PS2 and now it will happen on the PS3. The PS3 is about the future, you will see a huge difference and porting will be a thing of the past.Second quote of the day!! LOL...Although this one is more speculating than proven fact...but I hope at the end of 07 and early 08...I can dig up this quote and rep the hell outta you!!! I'm storing it now as we speak...

[Domination]

Well I expect this to happen but its not a one sided matter, I also look for high caliber 360 titles to go to the PS3 in 2007 (Lost Planet).

People throw around the "exclusive" word a little to much. When exclusive is used it may only refer to a very limited time span between console version (3-6 months or so). So a dev. or corp. can come out and say the title is exclusive yet there are still plans to port the game.

I totally agree with you there, Wounding. Infact, I had a discussion related to this in another thread somewhere. A bit more elaborate I think, but spot on as far as direction.

Found it! EXCLUSIVES (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1346255&postcount=53)

I'm surprised a topic wasn't made about this already.

[Xerxes]

Second quote of the day!! LOL...Although this one is more speculating than proven fact...but I hope at the end of 07 and early 08...I can dig up this quote and rep the hell outta you!!! I'm storing it now as we speak...

Haha as soon as we get to play Final Fantasy XIII then we'll see. :)

[masteratt]

Says who ? Sony ?
He who brings the shit gets the mic my friend.

If Sony brings fresh new 1st party IPs then that's what this gen is about.

I don't see anything AMAZING on X360 or Wii's list just yet but Sony is giving us three games in one month to not only show off the PS3 but put all the other "next gen" efforts to shame.

What this gen is about will only be decided by seeing which of the content is more quality and at the moment, Sony is once again kicking ass with 1st and 2nd Party games.

[julps31]

As long as we don't lose Tekken....I been playing all the tekkens lately...

If I had to control Yoshimitsu on something even slightly different than A DualShock,I would lose it.Lol you and me both. At least i've been playing Tekken 5 recently. I swear if theres ONE game I would HATE to see go to another console (especially and xbox console) it would be Tekken. Even more so then MGS.

[Rui]

Damn don't let this be true. :(



source
h**p://xbox360.ign.com/articles/749/749547p7.html

WTF is wrong with Konami & Namco? If Suikoden 6, Tekken (not likely) or Tales series games gonna show up first on the Xbox360, I am gonna boycott every Microsoft software and hardware, yeah uninstalling Windows for sure!

No I am never gonna buy an Xbox360. The more Microsoft is doing this the more I hate them.

What do you guys think, is it really true?WTF is wrong with YOU? You want Konami and other devs to make PS3 exclusives just for the hell of it? You WANT them to lose money? Only a stupid fanboy would get threatened over devs making their games available for other systems.

[OmniCloud]

Just one little comment about VF5. Virtua Fighter 5 was only exclusive last generation because that's all it needed to be! PS2 was the dominant platform fairly early on...It wasn't a question of whether Sony was the market leader, it was just "how many of these things are they gonna sell?" Tekken has been on Playstation since the original 94 release of the system. There was no need for VF4 to be ported to Xbox or GC last generation, and honestly, 6 months is a very long time for Virtua Fighter 5 to be exclusive. It's Xbox release is like a encore for the game. This is like Bioshock coming to PS3 6 months after it's release. The majority of the sales are gonna be picked up on it's 360 debut, but for people who didn't own a 360, people who are rich and can afford to buy the game again with a few tweaks and bonuses, well "HERE YA GO!" This type of thing is good for the industry if you ask me.

Tekken is home at Playstation, like Metal Gear, and Final Fantasy. As much as RE is known to be on Sony's systems-it's always had ports N64, GC, portables and what have you. Sony only needs to snag a few big 3rd party guys to be honest to secure people buying a PS3 as much as a 360. If MGS4, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, DMC4 are all on Sony's system exclusively, then that will guarantee people to buy the platform. Then Sony's first party is responsible for exceeding 360's sales by providing more quality games. If you really think about it, this is what happened last generation.

Games like Jak & Daxter, Twisted Metal, Ratchet and Clank, and Sly cooper were games that people enjoyed and buzzed about. It's these games that kept the PS2's steady flow of sales until the September-December time period where the best games were released. (GTA3, MGS2, Madden, Tony Hawk...) Sony's platform is so great because so many different type of gamers bought a Playstation. While the majority of Xbox titles (at least the good ones) were focused on Action and western motivated themes and art direction.

Eye toy games are still exclusive to Sony's platform-which we haven't heard a peep about yet!

Sony is in love with Ninty's controller-that's all I'm gonna say about that.

Sony's first party is larger than ever, and it will be these games that hold you over until the hits come along, and some of Sony's first party will be the hit themselves! (Gran Tursimo 5, God Of War 3, Killzone 2)

Just a few points to consider...because honestly-this debate is never gonna be over until one side is proven right! So we might as well argue with real points instead of just rambling...

[Kabbage]

WTF is wrong with YOU? You want Konami and other devs to make PS3 exclusives just for the hell of it? You WANT them to lose money? Only a stupid fanboy would get threatened over devs making their games available for other systems. And only a stupid fanboy would get upset at other people wanting more reasons to justify their purchase.

I want as many exclusives on this machine as possible... why would I care about more people being able to play it, oh wait, I dont.

[julps31]

I agree. @ Rui...calm down. No need for name calling here.

[Rui]

As for Xbox exclusives, all they have is Blue Dragon, Halo, and Gears of War; the rest of the exclusives just repetitive shooter games.
Mass Effect
Alan Wake
Project Offset
Lost Planet
Alone in the Dark
Splinter Cell 5
Bioshock
Ninja Gaiden 2
Too Human
Tomb Raider Legends
Bullet Witch
Halo Wars
Lost Oddysey
Two Worlds
Fable 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata.
PGR 3 and 4
Forza 2
Test Drive
Contra
Assault Heroes
Heavy Weapons
Mutant Storm Empire
Small Arms

And that's off the top of my head. Only games that qualify as shooters in that list are Lost Planet (third person shooter) and Bioshock (thriller). And I'm sure you're just thinking about FPS's.

Try again.

[Kabbage]

Mass Effect
Alan Wake
Project Offset
Lost Planet
Alone in the Dark
Splinter Cell 5
Bioshock
Ninja Gaiden 2
Too Human
Tomb Raider Legends
Bullet Witch
Halo Wars
Lost Oddysey
Two Worlds
Fable 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata.
PGR 3 and 4
Forza 2
Test Drive
Contra
Assault Heroes
Heavy Weapons
Mutant Storm Empire
Small Arms

And that's off the top of my head. Only games that qualify as shooters in that list are Lost Planet (third person shooter) and Bioshock (thriller). And I'm sure you're just thinking about FPS's.

Try again.

Fail.

[Rui]

Fail.Pardon me? You'll have to do a lot better than that.

[OmniCloud]

Mass Effect
Alan Wake
Project Offset
Lost Planet
Alone in the Dark
Splinter Cell 5
Bioshock
Ninja Gaiden 2
Too Human
Tomb Raider Legends
Bullet Witch
Halo Wars
Lost Oddysey
Two Worlds
Fable 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata.
PGR 3 and 4
Forza 2
Test Drive
Contra
Assault Heroes
Heavy Weapons
Mutant Storm Empire
Small Arms

And that's off the top of my head. Only games that qualify as shooters in that list are Lost Planet (third person shooter) and Bioshock (thriller). And I'm sure you're just thinking about FPS's.

Try again.WHOA if that isn't flamebait I don't know what it!! LOL...relax dude..no one said 360 didn't have games, but a few of those aren't even exclusives or "full-games" for that matter. That list is your personal preference and nothing more. It's actually proving a lot of points that people have been making about 360's style of gaming...

[Kabbage]

Pardon me? You'll have to do a lot better than that.Nah. Not for what looks to be a future troll.

[julps31]

Mass Effect
Alan Wake
Project Offset
Lost Planet
Alone in the Dark
Splinter Cell 5
Bioshock
Ninja Gaiden 2
Too Human
Tomb Raider Legends
Bullet Witch
Halo Wars
Lost Oddysey
Two Worlds
Fable 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata.
PGR 3 and 4
Forza 2
Test Drive
Contra
Assault Heroes
Heavy Weapons
Mutant Storm Empire
Small Arms

And that's off the top of my head. Only games that qualify as shooters in that list are Lost Planet (third person shooter) and Bioshock (thriller). And I'm sure you're just thinking about FPS's.

Try again.I'm sorry but that list is...meh. When I make a list I name that games i'll actually play lol. Not just ALL of the exclusives. And my list is long lol. Only a few of those games on that list would peak my interest.

[Kabbage]

I'm sorry but that list is...meh. When I make a list I name that games i'll actually play lol. Not just ALL of the exclusives. And my list is long lol. Only a few of those games on that list would peak my interest.lol I played the Small Arms Demo... worst rip-off created :troutslap

[OmniCloud]

guys Pm For If You Wanna Continue This Discussion Plz...it's Throwing Off The Topic.

[jaxmkii]

Mass Effect
Alan Wake
Project Offset
Lost Planet
Alone in the Dark
Splinter Cell 5
Bioshock
Ninja Gaiden 2
Too Human
Tomb Raider Legends
Bullet Witch
Halo Wars
Lost Oddysey
Two Worlds
Fable 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata.
PGR 3 and 4
Forza 2
Test Drive
Contra
Assault Heroes
Heavy Weapons
Mutant Storm Empire
Small Arms

And that's off the top of my head. Only games that qualify as shooters in that list are Lost Planet (third person shooter) and Bioshock (thriller). And I'm sure you're just thinking about FPS's.

Try again. bulk fertiliser

[Rui]

WHOA if that isn't flamebait I don't know what it!! LOL...relax dude..no one said 360 didn't have games, The guy I was replying to, said just that, as well as other people in this thread. There's this idea among PS3 fanboys that the 360 is merely a couple exclusives and a whole bunch of FPS.

I proved him otherwise by calling games off the top of my head. Be a fanboy if you wish, but don't be dishonest.


but a few of those aren't even exclusives or "full-games"
The only games in that list that MIGHT (repeat MIGHT) go to the PS3 are Lost Planet and Bioshock. And that's only due to fanboy speculations.


"full-games"...You're talking about the last 5 games (Xbox Live games) I listed? They ARE full on games.. Remember, I was trying to disprove the bullheaded notion that the 360 doesn't have variety.

And those arcade game lineup is a lot better than the PS3's, for sure.


That list is your personal preference and nothing more. It's actually proving a lot of points that people have been making about 360's style of gaming...

Personal preferance? I don't like RPG's or racing simulators. I was just naming the big titles for the 360 that we know of that aren't FPS's, to prove the 360 doesn't have the original Xbox's lack of variety.

(Hey, I forgot Jade Empire 2.)

[Shadow Voa]

Cless I understand what youre saying but youre going about it the wrong way. You sound like a crazed fanboy at the prospect of Xbox 360 doing well in 2007. Calm down, Sony isnt going anywhere and they will show their stuff as well, and just because games are going multiplatform its life. Remember this is business, and when you start thinking like that then news like this wont upset you so much!

[Rui]

Cless I understand what youre saying but youre going about it the wrong way. You sound like a crazed fanboy at the prospect of Xbox 360 doing well in 2007. Calm down, Sony isnt going anywhere and they will show their stuff as well, and just because games are going multiplatform its life. Remember this is business, and when you start thinking like that then news like this wont upset you so much!Yeah I agree. To think the guy was ranting about leaving Microsoft products because titles were going multiplatform? Sheesh.

And the real problem here with Sony loosing these exclusives is that
1) It's an established fact that Sony's dominance was due to third party support, NOT first party (their games are good though).
2) Sony doesn't seem to be doing ANYTHING to stop these exclusives from going over.

If this continues, PS3 might also lose "exclusive" games which will go multiplatform, such as:

MGS4
Tekken 6
Soul Calibur 4
Street Fighter 4 (rumored from TGS)
King of Fighters 20XX (rumored from TGS)
Resident Evil 5
Heavy Rain
Silent Hill
Dreamers
Assassin's Creed
Burnout 5
Def Jam Icon
DIRT: Colin Mcrae Offroad
SKATE
Final Fantasy
Devil May Cry
Mercenaries 2
Dark Sector
Army of Two
Grand Theft Auto 4
Half Life 2
GRAW 2
Oblivion

etc



to the 360 (and to a lesser extent the Wii, as was seen with Dragon Quest). So when you look at it, Sony's exclusive lineup for 2007 might look like this:

Big
White Knight Story
Ratchet and Clank 4
Sly Cooper 4
Monster Kingdom
Heavenly Sword
God of War 3
Killzone 3
Eight Days
Afrika
Gran Turismo 5
Jak 4 (probably)
Lair
Bladestorm
Lemmings
Sudoku
Calling All Cars


etc.

Compared to the 360's:

Mass Effect
Alan Wake
Project Offset
Lost Planet
Alone in the Dark
Splinter Cell 5
Bioshock
Ninja Gaiden 2
Too Human
Tomb Raider Legends
Bullet Witch
Halo Wars
Jade Empire 2
Lost Oddysey
Two Worlds
Fable 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata.
PGR 3 and 4
Forza 2
Test Drive
Contra
Assault Heroes
Heavy Weapons
Mutant Storm Empire
Small Arms

Now look at that. Add the multiplatform lineup to both the 360 exclusive list and the PS3 exclusive list. Does the respective lineups look as lopsided as the PS2 vs Xbox was? HELL NO. And then factor in the inescapable fact that the 360 costs much less than the PS3.

So come on, admit that the 360 is a serious threat to the PS3, and that Sony MUST get their act together.

[VG Aficionado]

Nah. Not for what looks to be a future troll.He's Undercover Cop, man.

[julps31]

Ha, ha....my favorite troll back in action lol. He never learns.

[Rui]

So no one's going to address my long detailed post with nothing but short, uneducated quips, right?

[VG Aficionado]

So no one's going to address my long detailed post with nothing but short, uneducated quips, right?Nope, because we don't care about trolls, specially you who won't give up after so many bans :)

You can leave now!

[OmniCloud]

Now look at that. Add the multiplatform lineup to both the 360 exclusive list and the PS3 exclusive list. Does the respective lineups look as lopsided as the PS2 vs Xbox was? HELL NO. And then factor in the inescapable fact that the 360 costs much less than the PS3.

So come on, admit that the 360 is a serious threat to the PS3, and that Sony MUST get their act together.Just don't do the list thing man...because it's just pointless-trust me...

Anyway...it's all about system-sellers and what game people are talking about. I think that you might be hinting that 360 may just sell so many units that 3rd parties won't need to port anything to PS3 and just do all exclusives. That's just not gonna happen dude...but u made some good points, and i think most of us acknowledge the ones you did make, (cost/install base) but software is King, and Sony's first party aren't shabby in any regard, and they have built relationships with developers that MS just do not have, money can only solve so much....

[venomv]

The only games in that list that MIGHT (repeat MIGHT) go to the PS3 are Lost Planet and Bioshock. And that's only due to fanboy speculations.

Project Offset seems extremely likely to hit the PS3 (unless MS is to publisher), Splinter Cell could easily go multiplatform (the last game did), as could Ninja Gaiden, too (though I wouldn't put my money on it), and Tomb Raider Legends seem extremely likely to be be multiplatform, not to mention is made for long time TR fans, what console did Tomb Raider start on again??

And secondly, if you are Undercover Cop, leave now, you are not welcomed, if not well welcome to the forums.

[VideoGame mania]

It is good that MS puts tons of pressure on Sony.
I personally don't care who is who.MS seems to me got smarter and with their money,they will eventually buy everyone and monopolize VG market.
I'm getting only one system next year and for the rest of this gen.
It's up to Sony and MS,to decide their faith.
I will be watching and enjoying this boxing fight for a few more months.
In the end only one will be standing,the one with the most exclusives I like.

[solidsnakejej]

So no one's going to address my long detailed post with nothing but short, uneducated quips, right?

There are some games that you mention that are going to PS3( Project offset, Alone in the Dark to name a few) and some are going to PC. The main reason why there are hardly any 3rd party exclusives for the PS3 is the the 3rd party developers are waiting for the 1st party to finish there game to learn easier ways of programming the PS3. How many big exclusives did 360 have in it's first year?

[Rui]

Just don't do the list thing man...because it's just pointless-trust me....
I only did the list in response to that guy who only listed Blue Dragon, Halo and Gears as the only big titles to get. :thumbr:


Anyway...it's all about system-sellers and what game people are talking about.Well yeah that's true. But right now it just seems that MS has a lot more solid titles (1-2 million sellers) than Sony. What's even more interesting is that they have a LOT of new titles. This shows that MS actually learned a bit from last time and actually worked hard. Sony just seems to be resting on their laurels.

I think that you might be hinting that 360 may just sell so many units that 3rd parties won't need to port anything to PS3 and just do all exclusives. That's just not gonna happen dude
I agree mostly, but Microsoft at the moment just has more favourable conditions than the PS3. And the exclusive list I made for the 360 and PS3 are DEFINATES that won't be going over because they are the publishers. MS still look slike a legitamate threat as opposed to last gen.

and i think most of us acknowledge the ones you did make, (cost/install base) but software is King, and Sony's first party aren't shabby in any regard, and they have built relationships with developers that MS just do not have, money can only solve so much....
But that's the problem. It's not so much a deal that Microsoft has the money to buy everyone, but the fact that devs CAN'T afford to do exclusives based on sentiment anymore, unless they want to go the way of Clover.

And Sony seems to act like the guy who's had great relationships in the past, but now take it for granted, while MS is making efforts to court devs. Offering money, dev tools, publishing, marketing, MS has trumped Sony on this for the last year. Hell, Sony hasn't even been returning dev's PHONE CALLS.

Thanks for considering what I have to say. I have a PS2 with a lot of games but that's only because of the price and variety of games, something the 360 is getting close to matching/ beating Sony on.

[venomv]

I only did the list in response to that guy who only listed Blue Dragon, Halo and Gears as the only big titles to get.


Except that is still a matter of opinion and the only games exclusive to 360 I see worth buying are Halo 3 , Viva Pinata, Halo Wars, and Fable 2......I would through Project Offset into that list but their target platform is still "Next-Gen Consoles".

The list is defently looking better then all of the XBox list, already it is creeping toward my "maybe purchase when it gets cheap" list.

[Rui]

There are some games that you mention that are going to PS3( Project offset, Alone in the Dark to name a few) and some are going to PC.
Of course, cause Microsoft also runs PC gaming and are expanding their platforms. Devs are more enticed to make PC/ Xbox 360 games and expand their market, while Microsoft gains cause those games will not be for the competition.

What's your point here anyway? You just threw in an unrelated fact for the hell of it?

The main reason why there are hardly any 3rd party exclusives for the PS3 is the the 3rd party developers are waiting for the 1st party to finish there game to learn easier ways of programming the PS3. How many big exclusives did 360 have in it's first year?

But that's just it; if you acknowledge that Sony doesn't have many third party exclusives, and you know that's Sony's success HAS been due to third party support, how is this a win for Sony? Consumers aren't going to wait around and say, "well Sony isn't up to speed yet, so I'll wait ANOTHER year for games to show up". They've already been waiting. And next gen is here. They'll want to buy games NOW.

[Domination]

Yeah I agree. To think the guy was ranting about leaving Microsoft products because titles were going multiplatform? Sheesh.

And the real problem here with Sony loosing these exclusives is that
1) It's an established fact that Sony's dominance was due to third party support, NOT first party (their games are good though).
2) Sony doesn't seem to be doing ANYTHING to stop these exclusives from going over.

If this continues, PS3 might also lose "exclusive" games which will go multiplatform, such as:

MGS4
Tekken 6
Soul Calibur 4
Street Fighter 4 (rumored from TGS)
King of Fighters 20XX (rumored from TGS)
Resident Evil 5
Heavy Rain
Silent Hill
Dreamers
Assassin's Creed
Burnout 5
Def Jam Icon
DIRT: Colin Mcrae Offroad
SKATE
Final Fantasy
Devil May Cry
Mercenaries 2
Dark Sector
Army of Two
Grand Theft Auto 4
Half Life 2
GRAW 2
Oblivion

etc



to the 360 (and to a lesser extent the Wii, as was seen with Dragon Quest). So when you look at it, Sony's exclusive lineup for 2007 might look like this:

Big
White Knight Story
Ratchet and Clank 4
Sly Cooper 4
Monster Kingdom
Heavenly Sword
God of War 3
Killzone 3
Eight Days
Afrika
Gran Turismo 5
Jak 4 (probably)
Lair
Bladestorm
Lemmings
Sudoku
Calling All Cars


etc.

Compared to the 360's:



Now look at that. Add the multiplatform lineup to both the 360 exclusive list and the PS3 exclusive list. Does the respective lineups look as lopsided as the PS2 vs Xbox was? HELL NO. And then factor in the inescapable fact that the 360 costs much less than the PS3.

So come on, admit that the 360 is a serious threat to the PS3, and that Sony MUST get their act together.

That is a very lopsided list you have going there. First of all, you list a huge number of multiplatform titles heading coming to both consoles as exlcusives for the PS3 and another batch only exclusive to the 360. I bolded quite a few already. I don't even want to start on the 360's list. I hope you get my point.

This is what you said not too long ago:

The only games in that list that MIGHT (repeat MIGHT) go to the PS3 are Lost Planet and Bioshock. And that's only due to fanboy speculations.


That is not a rumor since it was said by the developer himself. Yet, you've listed a number of titles NOT confirmed by developers as a possible multi platform title. :huh: Isn't that speculation?

Let me also remind you that some of those titles are already on the PS2.

I will admit that Sony has a fight, but you are painting a picture far worst than it actually is. Sony also has far more exclusives than what you are given them credit for.

[Rui]

I would through Project Offset into that list but their target platform is still "Next-Gen Consoles".Check the boards at w w w . projectoffset . com. Microsoft is picking up the publishing (again, here the devs said they were waiting on calls from Sony to pick them up, but it didn't happen. MS just seems more proactive in correcting their last gen mistakes).

That is a very lopsided list you have going there.Feel free to add any PS3 exclusives that I might have neglected.

you list a huge number of multiplatform titles heading coming to both consoles as exlcusives for the PS3 and another batch only exclusive to the 360. I bolded quite a few already. I don't even want to start on the 360's list. I hope you get my point.
Remember, my post was talking about devs who MIGHT take their previous exclusive games multiplatform in order to make profits for next gen developments.

Let's look at those you didn't highlight.

MGS4
Tekken 6
Soul Calibur 4
Street Fighter 4 (rumored from TGS)
King of Fighters 20XX (rumored from TGS)
Resident Evil 5
Heavy Rain
Silent Hill
Dreamers
Final Fantasy
Devil May Cry
Resident Evil 5 is multiplatform for the 360 and PS3. Street Fighter and King of Fighters were never exclusives.

All the other games have an exceedingly good chance of going multiplatform because they are expensive titles (especially FF, Heavy Rain, MGS4, Silent HIll, etc). My post was saying if Sony didn't move fast to lock these up, they WILL go multiplatform and appear on the 360 as well.

The 360 list is pretty much on point, as MS has those locked up.

[masteratt]

Or Sony doesn't give a damn about those games.

[venomv]

Of course, cause Microsoft also runs PC gaming and are expanding their platforms. Devs are more enticed to make PC/ Xbox 360 games and expand their market, while Microsoft gains cause those games will not be for the competition.

What's your point here anyway? You just threw in an unrelated fact for the hell of it?

Except......That is the 360's biggest problem, if someone has a good gaming PC then they become less likely to buy the games on the 360 (depending on whether you are more inclined to play on PC or consules). Sure, MS still gets paid, but I don't think they get as much and it isn't helping them with there consule battles....they already have in iron grib on PC gaming....

Check the boards at w w w . projectoffset . com. Microsoft is picking up the publishing (again, here the devs said they were waiting on calls from Sony to pick them up, but it didn't happen. MS just seems more proactive in correcting their last gen mistakes).

Geez....try to be more specific, there is nothing in the news section.....

[pari]

Mass Effect
Alan Wake
Project Offset
Bioshock
Too Human
Fable 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata.
PGR 3 and 4
Forza 2
Halo Wars
Lost Oddysey

Lost Planet
Alone in the Dark
Splinter Cell 5
Ninja Gaiden 2
Tomb Raider Legends
Bullet Witch
Two Worlds
Test Drive
Contra
Assault Heroes
Heavy Weapons
Mutant Storm Empire
Small Arms


Now look at that. Add the multiplatform lineup to both the 360 exclusive list and the PS3 exclusive list. Does the respective lineups look as lopsided as the PS2 vs Xbox was? HELL NO. And then factor in the inescapable fact that the 360 costs much less than the PS3.


I rearranged your order AFAIK according to first/second, third party and I could be missing some information. Whatever is being said about PS3, its is possible to be applied to 360 also.

Let me put forth a counter argument, Sony always maintained 1080p, MS exec on record said 1080p is impossible but due to buckled under competition. So if Blu-rays presents a semblance of superiority or advantage for PS3 over 360, MS would be forced to integrate HD-DVD into 360 (add on is not doing well, just look at the sales record...). The only cost differentiator Red-laser diode and Blue-laser diode is nullified. Or MS has to take a huge loss which I do not think MS would be willing to do for this gen.

For PS3 right now blue-laser diode is most expensive component compared to 360 everything else pretty much on the ball park range. Also MS does has to depend upon foundries to do its parts. There are not that many 65nm foundries to do its part (except IBM), Sony can do its own parts at its own fab. This gives Sony a price advantage.

From history, we have seen happen to Red-laser diode/ DVD-drive price drop very rapidly, so would Blue-laser diode/Blu-ray drive prices are going to come crashing down. GaN technology is different from the existing one, but with lots of focus from different companies the technology would become more affordable.

[Rui]

Or Sony doesn't give a damn about those games.And you don't think that's a problem? Since when has most of Sony's massive success been attributed to anything but third party support? :doh:

[julps31]

But that's just it; if you acknowledge that Sony doesn't have many third party exclusives, and you know that's Sony's success HAS been due to third party support, how is this a win for Sony? Consumers aren't going to wait around and say, "well Sony isn't up to speed yet, so I'll wait ANOTHER year for games to show up". They've already been waiting. And next gen is here. They'll want to buy games NOW.But you gotta remember that all of the games formally exclusive are now multi-platform. So MS doesn't really have much of an edge because both the PS3 and the 360 will get those games. So unless they go from being Sony exclusive to MS exclusive then it really isn't a HUGE blow to Sony.

[VideoGame mania]

Check the boards at w w w . projectoffset . com. Microsoft is picking up the publishing (again, here the devs said they were waiting on calls from Sony to pick them up, but it didn't happen. MS just seems more proactive in correcting their last gen mistakes).

wait... ...what? Sony is totally indifferent,do they even care about games? Didn't they learn from PSP vs DS? I think 5 year old kid can do a better job than Sony.I swear every day PS3 loses exclusives or something goes multiplatform,it ain't funny anymore.

[pari]

Of course, cause Microsoft also runs PC gaming and are expanding their platforms. Devs are more enticed to make PC/ Xbox 360 games and expand their market, while Microsoft gains cause those games will not be for the competition.


Then the games loose focus, MS on one hand wants to tie xbox franchise to its windows cash cow on other hand it wants to keep it separate. MS is not releasing a internet browser for xbox, whereas PS3 and Wii have a browser. Also the XNA can be used for PC & 360, but the problem is for which one do you optimize? Because 360 has a completely different architecture than PC. The lowest common denominator is only going to hurt the games.

[masteratt]

And you don't think that's a problem? Since when has most of Sony's massive success been attributed to anything but third party support? :doh:
Since this gen.

Life tip: Things change.

[venomv]

And the PS1 gen, accually I would say that one more so....

[pari]

Remember, my post was talking about devs who MIGHT take their previous exclusive games multiplatform in order to make profits for next gen developments.

Let's look at those you didn't highlight.


Resident Evil 5 is multiplatform for the 360 and PS3. Street Fighter and King of Fighters were never exclusives.

All the other games have an exceedingly good chance of going multiplatform because they are expensive titles (especially FF, Heavy Rain, MGS4, Silent HIll, etc). My post was saying if Sony didn't move fast to lock these up, they WILL go multiplatform and appear on the 360 as well.

The 360 list is pretty much on point, as MS has those locked up.

For Japanese developers, it muchs cheaper to develop for PS3 because Japan + US market for PS3 would be bigger than US market alone for 360. Its easier to do localization than developing for another console. So much more profit for the developer than developing for two systems.

[Domination]

And you don't think that's a problem? Since when has most of Sony's massive success been attributed to anything but third party support? :doh:

Before SCE WWS was formed. ;) You forget, with both PlayStation consoles, Sony has always relied on third for support. Their first party was always the weakest link. This is being corrected this generation, which is why so many first party titles are launching so close to one another this gen.

[Rui]

But you gotta remember that all of the games formally exclusive are now multi-platform. So MS doesn't really have much of an edge because both the PS3 and the 360 will get those games. So unless they go from being Sony exclusive to MS exclusive then it really isn't a HUGE blow to Sony.
How could it not be a huge blow?

The reason the PS2 and PS1 were extremely successful was because they had a ton of third party games that you could NOT get anywhere else.

The reason the Xbox wasn't extremely successful was because they had a LACK of third party games.

Last gen, most of the multiplatform games were movie licensed titles and sports games. Now it looks like the PS3 and 360 will be sharing just about ALL third party support. So how could this be anything but a LOSS for Sony and a GAIN for Microsoft?

Then when you throw the price on top of everything, this just compounds this problem. If casuals made the PS2's success because they could get their multiplatform games on the cheapest system, how does this not hurt Sony with their approach (or lack of it) with the PS3?

[Rui]

Before SCE WWS was formed. ;) You forget, with both PlayStation consoles, Sony has always relied on third for support. Their first party was always the weakest link. This is being corrected this generation, which is why so many first party titles are launching so close to one another this gen.So what? Microsoft is correcting their too and they aren't doing it at the expense of third party support, which Sony seems to be more and more content to ignore.

[masteratt]

What?

You do know Sony is still getting the games mate just because they are not exclusive, so what.
It's still on the PS3 line up.

Also look at this from the other side. What 3rd Party exclusive does X360 have that PS3 doesn't? Other than the ones that have to be exclusive due to PS3 not being out on time.

Anyway this isn't going anywhere to be honest.....

[VG Aficionado]

We're just at the beginning of the generation. It's true that MS is spending a lot of money on third party titles, but how many of them are going to be profitable at this point (specially in Japan)? I'm sure PS3 will get more 3rd party support as the time goes by, they just won't let MS buy the entire gaming industry and let them monopolize something else.

Anyway this isn't going anywhere to be honest.....Agreed, but what can you expect from UC...

[julps31]

How could it not be a huge blow?

The reason the PS2 and PS1 were extremely successful was because they had a ton of third party games that you could NOT get anywhere else.

The reason the Xbox wasn't extremely successful was because they had a LACK of third party games.

Last gen, most of the multiplatform games were movie licensed titles and sports games. Now it looks like the PS3 and 360 will be sharing just about ALL third party support. So how could this be anything but a LOSS for Sony and a GAIN for Microsoft?

Then when you throw the price on top of everything, this just compounds this problem. If casuals made the PS2's success because they could get their multiplatform games on the cheapest system, how does this not hurt Sony with their approach (or lack of it) with the PS3?I'm saying that since they wont ONLY be on the 360 then it wont neccesarily sell tons of 360 alone and both consoles will still have to rely on 1st and second party titles to attractive gamers to there respective consoles besides games that'll be on both consoles.

They'll have to attract gamers with first party titles since gamers have the possibilty to get those multi-platform games on either console. It'll be the games that they can't get on any another console that'll make it worth it. Now if Sony lost ALL there exclusives and they became multi-platform then thats a different story.

[frosty]

These FUD threads have to stop. We're only 1 month into it guys. As I've said before, this generation will be based on which company has the best 1st party games. It's too expensive to produce exclusives with the cost of making these games rising rapidly. So, get over the lost exclusives already.

These threads are just troll bait anyway, they even made Rui/Mega Cot/Undercover Cop come out of hiding.

[Domination]

How could it not be a huge blow?

The reason the PS2 and PS1 were extremely successful was because they had a ton of third party games that you could NOT get anywhere else.

The reason the Xbox wasn't extremely successful was because they had a LACK of third party games.

Last gen, most of the multiplatform games were movie licensed titles and sports games. Now it looks like the PS3 and 360 will be sharing just about ALL third party support. So how could this be anything but a LOSS for Sony and a GAIN for Microsoft?

Then when you throw the price on top of everything, this just compounds this problem. If casuals made the PS2's success because they could get their multiplatform games on the cheapest system, how does this not hurt Sony with their approach (or lack of it) with the PS3?

Those games that were exclusive to the Xbox are now on the PlayStation, and their first party is now more robust than before. So it's not considered a lost if they are picking up the weight in other areas.