What developer do you feel is pushing the technological envelope?

[Nerve-Damage]

In your honest opinion, which game developer do you feel is pushing the technological bounds or envelope? Pushing the technological bound doesn’t necessarily always have to be about graphics, sound, AI, physics, ETC. It may mean character interaction, story development, controller behavior (a la Wii or Sixxis), and so fourth.

Just wondering!?

I would have put this in general forum area...but let's face-it...it's a ghost town in there.



*poll coming up* :smile:


Edit: Here's the full list that I wanted...but 10 is the max allowed in the poll.
* Bungie
* Epic Games
* Id Software
* Blizzard
* Crytek
* Microsoft Game Studios
* Nintendo
* Ninja Theory
* Capcom
* Polyphony Digital
* Team Ninja
* Square/Enix
* Bioware
* SCEE London Studio
* SCEA
* EA
* Insomniacs
* Evolution Studios
* Sega
* Kojima studios
* Other

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Kojima Studios, Sony Worldwide Studios...Polyphony, Ninja Theory

[Garfunkel]

Crytek and Polyfony and now maybe SCEWWS.

No EA? they innovative as well...



...in finding new ways to make the worst games possible.

[Nerve-Damage]

Crytek and Polyfony and now maybe SCEWWS.

No EA? they innovative as well...



...in finding new ways to make the worst games possible.

LOL (+rep)

[solidsnakejej]

You know Kojima Studios will go all out with MGS4. What I want to see is ICO team's next game after SotC I wonder what they will do.

[raVen]

I actually think EA is doing a lot more then they're credited for, look at fight night round 3, nba homecourt, and army of two... all games that look like solid next gen experiences. I know i used fnr3 to showcase the power of the 360's.

but other than that my vote went to:
SCEA/SCEE

[Bloodman]

Nintendo, Crytek, VALVe (the l337 way of saying it!)

[PUNK em 733]

Kojima Studios, Sony Worldwide Studios...Polyphony, Ninja Theory

My list precisely. It's pretty early in this next gen game, but until anyone else shows some goods, it's these guys all the way.

I do expect great things out of ND.

[Applefiend]

I'll pick...

Square Enix (Top of any leading edge list)
Clover Studios (Kiss of death if I like a companies games :) )
Capcom
Team Ico
Insomniac
Naughty Dog
Evolution Studios
Kojima Productions
Rockstar
Valve

Heads of the pack. Anything they bring out is leading edge.

And conspicuous by their absense: Namco. What up with them these days?

Not too fond of generic shooters with generic looking muscle head wrestling dudes. It's like Far Cry on Wii, take away all those fancy graphics what are you left with except 15 hours of boredom.

Don't want to give any love to Ninja Theory before they actually produce something. A demo on the PS store at least would be nice.

And I think next year you may have Guerilla Studios on your lists.

[speed stick]

Rare......

[PUNK em 733]

Rare......


How so? That would be one of the last developers I'd pick.

[pac4life]

Crytek and Obviously Epic > They developed the Unreal 3 engine which is by far the most amazing engine this gen

And Crytek simply amazes - Far Cry when it came out in 2004 or whenever was crazy

Crysis looks sick.

[EvilTaru]

Crytek and Polyfony and now maybe SCEWWS.

No EA? they innovative as well...



...in finding new ways to make the worst games possible.

Polyphony Digital is part of SCEWW, so is Naughty Dog and Team ICO.

I'm surprised Factor 5 isn't listed as one of the options.

EA isn't THAT bad, Takayoshi Sato (formerly of Team Silent, the man responsible for all the CG in Silent Hill 1 and Silent Hill 2) is working for them now, and they got a bunch of ex-Ubisoft Montreal people working on Army of Two, although I don't expect any multiplatform title to truly push any of the consoles, particularly the PS3, on which the first-party titles will be the ones really showing off in terms of technical performance.

~_~

[frosty]

PD IMO. Crytek is really good, though I've seen PD do more with less. I'm sure they could easily smoke Crytek if they had 8800's in mind when making GT5 as well. However, we have Crysis, which is a game that looks like some really good CG, and GTHD which borders on photorealism on less powerful hardware (as far as GPUs go).

[EvilTaru]

PD IMO. Crytek is really good, though I've seen PD do more with less. I'm sure they could easily smoke Crytek if they had 8800's in mind when making GT5 as well. However, we have Crysis, which is a game that looks like some really good CG, and GTHD which borders on photorealism on less powerful hardware (as far as GPUs go).

Crytek is running their game on an 8800 + QUAD-CORE, at this point I don't think they're pushing the technical envelope in terms of getting the most performance out of a particular piece of hardware but rather pushing the envelope in terms of continuing to up the spec requirement to get the max performance for their game.

[frosty]

Exactly. That isn't really pushing the envelope, it's just developing for the latest hardware.

[Nameless]

Team Kojima put stealth gameplay, ingame cinemas & rumble controllers on the map, I'm sure they will put the Sixaxis on the map... (How many games stole the back to the wall camera angle... ;) )

[Slipphreake]

I'm going with Crytek as number one because their engine is the best looking engine do date. It has more to do with making a good engine than it does with using the most powerful hardware. They've been taking their DirectX 9 build to the press, but the way the game looks with the draw distance it has and the way you interact with the environment is simply amazing. That's why they have the best looking game so far.
Although, I will tip my hat to PD, although I wish they would move away from using prerendered backgrounds. On consoles, its a bit of a three way tie because Epic, Bungie and Kojima Pro all have great engines. UE3 is an amazing engine and I can't wait to see how UT 2007 looks when its running a full outdoor match. Bungie is almost a sure thing because they will make a good looking game for the 360 and it will be one of the best looking games next year. Kojima Pro gets a nod simply because they will do everything they can (at the time) to make it the best looking game possible. They will do things that other devs wont think of and might even pull off some things that no one else will be able to do for a long while.

[EvilTaru]

PD does not use pre-rendered backgrounds actually.

[frosty]

Nope. All fully rendered in real time. It just looks that good.

[Garfunkel]

PD are very skilled, i am shocked they achieved 1080i 50-60fps ont he ps2, it seemed and still seems impossible, i believe they know something others don't.

[speed stick]

How so? That would be one of the last developers I'd pick.

I said Rare with the ..... behind it to show sarcasm. I was not serious, Rare sucks now.

[Cless]

Eew hard choice, Kojima Studio, Team Ico or Square Enix all the way, though after playing Final Fantasy XII on the PS2 I voted for Square Enix. Unbelievable what they achieved with the PS2.

For the PC, Crytek is the best one to pick. Though imo they are rather pushing the use of the latest hardware than maximizing their codes/games and not utilizing the hardware of older graphics cards/CPUs.

[jaxmkii]

Crytek and Polyfony and now maybe SCEWWS.

No EA? they innovative as well...



...in finding new ways to make the worst games possible. oh just you wait! BF2142 on 360 will be RoxXors...

oh wait it sucked on pc...:ohno:

[Sephiroth_VII]

Team ICO, Kojima Productions, Square-Enix.

[woundingchaney]

Well many devs I would mention but I think its best to reserve an opinion until I see their titles.

I would say EPIC and Sq. En.

honorable mentions to - Bethesda Game St. and Capcom

[woundingchaney]

I said Rare with the ..... behind it to show sarcasm. I was not serious, Rare sucks now.

Aint that the truth. They really need to prove they are worth the support and funding.

Although I liked Kameo.

[BillCosby]

I would say EPIC and Sq. En.



Why Epic? Oh yea GoW kicked ass, and UE3 is pretty.

I would say PD after seeing GTHD Concept. But kudos to Konami/Kojima for MGS it will be an amazing experience.

[fknuckle]

Im voting fot NT,heavenly sword is looking SEXY- Especially for a game with that size/scope(men on screen). The animations are some of the best i ever seen in a game.And reading about how deep the combat system is for a game like this on dif gaming sites with ppl that actually got a chance to play it. -And reading all the awards this game won at e3.

And reading the devs talk about the dif things there doing on how there using the spu's(deano) and gpu tricks(nao). Id say there pushing the system pretty decently.

There's my vote--New demo cant possibly get here soon enough.

[LiquidEagle]

KojiPro!

[VideoGame mania]

Konami-Silent Hill 3 is still the most graphically advanced game on Ps2,yes it looks better than MGS3.
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shle5.jpg
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Kojima's team,Capcom,Team Ico,Square,Level5,PD are worth mentioning too.http://www.crunkgames.com/front/games-sh3.gif

[Nameless]

Team Kojima FTW!
The opinion is based on gameplay innovations not just graphics...
(MGS excels at both!)

[masonite]

Kojima studios for pushing the envelope in terms of implementing ideas and effects that simply weren't even thought up before, or which people thought couldn't be done with the hardware, as well as using the hardware to create incredible cinematic sequences.

for innovative software, nintendo. Their innovation and creativity allows them to do great things with lower level hardware, so they're pushing the envelope in that respect.


Polyphony for simply extracting the greatest amount of raw power from the hardware, and bringing to life realistic, breathtaking games.

[OmniCloud]

I'd say its a toss-up between Polyphony and Kojima-studios...that's overall what I think they're doing...

Epic/Ninja Theory/Capcom has impressed with some amazing eye-candy, but overall, I gotta go with Kojima and GT5 to really show what the next-gen is all about...

Nintendo has innovated in the controller aspect as well-and I think Sony will incorporate more "wii-like" devices into PS3 because of it.

[digital neXus]

DO ME A CASTLEVANIAAAAAAAA!!!!
Vote fo Kojima!

[RzrWire]

PD, Square-Enix, Kojima Studios, Nintendo...

PD & Square-Enix - For squeezing the most horsepower out of a console than is thought possible.

Kojima Studios & Nintendo - For the depth of gameplay and innovations brought into each.

[PS3LikeNoOther]

WWS takes the cake for me. You got Sony San Diego making God of War 3 and MLB 07 The Show, (06' was the best selling baseball sim this year, and we all know GOW). Then they have PD which has the best car physics ever, best graphics ever, and now its online. Plus we have Naughty Dog which pushed the PS2 beyond limits, and if you watch the E3 trailer to their game they were already pulling thins off then that people say can't be done now. Evo Studios proved they got it with Motorstorm, if you want to talk drw distance play this and GTHD. Team SOHO is on the Getaway which even if it sucks in game play the graphics, the size, and the audio will be amazing ( crossing fingers on gameplay). Lastly their is GG which I have to believe Killzone will look as good as that Demo that s all that needs to be said.
Outside of WWS Kojima Production deservs a lot of credit MGS4 will be 1080p 30FPS. People will rave abnout the SixAxiS after warhawk, but MGS4 will redifine.

[Pluto]

Square Enix!

They've shown very few in-game assets, and have made a huge impression on how Playstation 3 games in the near future will look. It's evident from what we've seen of their next-gen games that they're going to make high quality titles from here on out.

[Z]

I would have put this in general forum area...but let's face-it...it's a ghost town in there.
still not a reason to post something in the wrong section. if you wanted to put it in the PS3 section that bad, you could've bound the question to PS3 development.

and your list doesn't seems thought of properly. you put subsections and the main umbrella as different entities. Bungie is a part of MS. and many fall under SCE Worldwide Studios.

[Garfunkel]

Z brings up an interesting point.

[Applefiend]

Aint that the truth. They really need to prove they are worth the support and funding.

Although I liked Kameo.

Leading edge, oh god no! :)

But yeah, I thought Kameo was excellent, and if they make a real old school platformer in Banjo K they'll win my admiration. You know Nintendo wil never make us a Mario 128, somebody else got to do it for us.

[evillion]

im suprised no one mentioned Factor5 here. i'll salute them simply coz the incredible amount of details in Lair and 1080P.

[Cinder]

Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios;
Gran Turismo HD
Formula One
MotorStorm

[Maltroph]

is there a new MGS video, or is kojima getting votes because his kojima?
I loved viva pinata

Lionhead; did you guys see "the room" tech demo, ultra realism... wow.
Factor5 for pushing 1080p
but to answer the question fairly What developer do you feel is pushing the technological envelope?
Epic, I dont know how anyone could say otherwise right now. crazy graphics, "new" gameplay focus, online co-op. Its everything a next gen game should be.

[VG Aficionado]

is there a new MGS video, or is kojima getting votes because his kojima?I guess the fact they have a history of delivering the highest quality games with great production values, the fact that they managed to exploit PS2's hardware at a then unprecedented level so early with MGS2, the fact that MGS4 introduces no less than 4 innovative gameplay elements (Octocamo, Solid Eye, MG Mk-II, the mysterious OOOO system yet to be revealed and we've got yet to see what they do with motion sensing!) that I've got yet to see in another game, let alone combined, and the fact that MGS4 looks so great a year from being released don't make them deserve a place in this poll!

[Rai]

have you seen GT HD!?!? That's insane!

[jutsu]

that's a tough one. Imma go with Crytek for the future. But if it had to do with games as of the present, then definitely Polyphony and Nintendo. That GTHD demo is just fierce and the Wii is just a great console.

[Tarkus]

Two developers really pushed the envelope this past gen for me;
- Team Ico (SotC)
- Jaffe (God of War)

They are absolutely going to impress this gen.

Insomniac is off to a good start. RFoM should have taught them what they need to know about the PS3 to really impress on their next game.

Finally and without a doubt, Bungie is going to blow us away.

[mario25]

Rare......

They made perfect dark zero....the incredible looking, incredible playing (\sarcasm\) game that got awesome reviews by ziff-davis magazines and 1up.









Only to be later considered as one of the worst launch games in history.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

cuz it's....not that good.

[Nameless]

They made perfect dark zero....the incredible looking, incredible playing (\sarcasm\) game that got awesome reviews by ziff-davis magazines and 1up.









Only to be later considered as one of the worst launch games in history.

You see what I put in bold; that company has been in bed with Microsoft for some time now. I'm really starting to believe that all the FUD and negativity regarding the PS3 is a plot by Microsoft... The new term is "viral marketing"...
I'm not trying to start anything, but if you look at all the media outlets that are constantly bashing Sony & the PS3 it's a company that has ties to Microsoft. :nono:
(Not every media outlet, but most of them...)

[Shadow Voa]

Why isnt Square Enix or Capcom on that list?

The White Engine is going to rethink games like Final Fantasy and allow Nomura-san to really create some beautiful games. And even if we've only seen a video of RE5, RE4 on the Gamecube pushed that system to its limits and showed us one of the most pretty games last generation. If they could do it then, imagine the possibilities to come with the next game!

[EvilTaru]

You see what I put in bold; that company has been in bed with Microsoft for some time now. I'm really starting to believe that all the FUD and negativity regarding the PS3 is a plot by Microsoft... The new term is "viral marketing"...
I'm not trying to start anything, but if you look at all the media outlets that are constantly bashing Sony & the PS3 it's a company that has ties to Microsoft. :nono:
(Not every media outlet, but most of them...)

Ziff, and especially their VP John Davison, is anti-Sony and the PS3, if one disregards his former title as the EIC of OPM (which Davison constantly uses as some sort of "I'm not biased" crutch defense) and just listen to the stuff he says, it's pretty clear he and a significant number of 1UP staff are constantly undermining the console and even the games themselves, and the rest seem pressured and aren't able to express any kind of enthusiasm even though a game like Resistance is obviously excellent and is something that gamers should get excited about. I'm not sure how much of this has to do with MS marketing on their site, although there clearly is quite a bit of MS stuff there and Ziff got the rights to make a Games for Windows mag.

The death of OPM is clearly an indication that the relationship between 1UP/Ziff and SCEA, despite Davison's insistance of there being continued good working relationship, is now broken beyond repair, what's ironic is that while 1UP/Ziff insists the death of OPM has to do with there being no longer a need for a demo disc due to the downloading service, Playstation Underground still continues to send out demo discs (just got my Rogue Galaxy flag/demo disc last night) and Famitsu PS3 actually comes with a Blu-Ray disc.

In addition, it's clear that Gamespot's coverage of PS3 games completely pathetic (no coverage on GTHD demo or the Tekken 5 DR download even as I'm writing this) while IGN is a bit more up to date, but is still lacking, the media in general is doing a horrible job covering games on the console.

The funny thing is even at GAF which 1UP seems to pay an unhealthy amount of attention to, has already started jumping on the PS3 bandwagon (sure you have some people still talking stuff down but most are trying to download stuff and having good discussions, huge thread on GTHD and Tekken 5 DR, the F1 threads aren't too shabby either), because more of us have the console now and many are enjoying it quite a bit.

[Nameless]

^ I completely agree that once more PS3s are on the street the FUD and smear campaign will fizzle out... I was recently complaining that other forum members were to quick to defend the PS3, but I now see the light and yes there's way too much negative press regarding the PS3. It's so out of wack that something stinks and I honestly think Microsoft is pulling some of the strings and using there huge size and influence to impact the media.

Fortunately only the hardcore gamers really frequent the forums and gaming sites so this campaign will have no real impact on the average consumer... Peace

[Red_Eyes]

Fortunately, only the Xbox gamers are frequent on the forums. So it'll not affect average Joe or PS3 gamers.

[NickSCFC]

Any idea why Polyphony has the most votes? I mean GT4 did nothing GT3 didn't do, GTHD does nothing new either.

Infact, the Gran Turismo series is the most primative series going at the moment. There's no car damage, no online play, no AI... these are basics that nearly every other racing game at the moment has, in my opinion Polyphony are getting lapped by the opposition!

[GTAce]

SCEA/SCEE

They are not really developer but F1, MotorStorm, GTHD etc. are all published by Sony and these games make me " :buldge: " so i voted for them.

I cant just pic one developer there are to much good teams out there.


Any idea why Polyphony has the most votes?
Their games are freaking awesome.

[NickSCFC]

It's a toss between Epic and Crytek for me, most of the best looking next-gen games (UT3, Gears of War, BiA:HH) are using the Unreal 3 Engine from Epic.

And tbh Crysis is the only game that comes graphically close to Gears of War in my opinion.

[VideoGame mania]

Any idea why Polyphony has the most votes? I mean GT4 did nothing GT3 didn't do, GTHD does nothing new either.

Infact, the Gran Turismo series is the most primative series going at the moment. There's no car damage, no online play, no AI... these are basics that nearly every other racing game at the moment has, in my opinion Polyphony are getting lapped by the opposition!


GT HD isn't a game, is just a taste of what PD is planning to do with GT5
Online, car damage all will be added to GT5, what do you mean no AI ?

[NickSCFC]

These things were promised in GT4 but weren't delivered.

[GTAce]

These things are impossible to do on PS2, GT4 is a pure driving and car enthusiast game, there are physics and graphics the most importand things.
If you want a game with great AI and damage play Toca.
And btw. a damage system was not promised Yamauchi want it in the game but because of the hardware he couldnt do it.

[NickSCFC]

How exactly did the hardware prevent Polyphony from putting damage in the game?

[yoshaw]

Reasons that granted my vote to this company.

- Pushing new IP's into next-gen right outta the gate, like there is no tomorrow.
- Supportive publisher giving developers full freedom over content they make.
- Not minding losing exclusives if it means more business for 3rd parties.
- Supporting consumers with games 5-10 years into their purchase of its console.
- Games they create are outright quality and industry critics salute its finished products.
- Determined focus on Europe than any other development house in the world.
- Owns Japanese hearts.
- And whatever it is I'm missing about this fantastic company.

IMO, and in my eyes, I have not seen any company/publisher in recent years that has its hands in so many pies yet is able to stand tall and take shit from all sides during recent months. Yet is determined to reign supreme once again like how its been doing on PS3's predecessors. My vote, rightfully casted to SCEWW.

Disagree with me all you want but I learned my determination from the best there is!

[GTAce]

@Nick:
Counterquestion:
Why doesent the cars in Toca3 looking as good like in GT4?

But never mind we are going to much off topic, sorry.

[NickSCFC]

I'll give Polyphony the "Nicest looking cars of last-gen" Award, but when it comes to games, the series is pretty dated.

[yoshaw]

I'll give Polyphony the "Nicest looking cars of last-gen" Award, but when it comes to games, the series is pretty dated.

Nick, I see that you've made your point nice n clear. I believe we wouldn't be needing more re-iterations of questioning polyphony's technology. As the OP clearly suggests the choice of vote could be either of the graphics/gameplay/innovation etc. More like, whatever anyone chooses to vote based on their preference.


Pushing the technological bound doesn’t necessarily always have to be about graphics, sound, AI, physics, ETC. It may mean character interaction, story development, controller behavior (a la Wii or Sixxis), and so fourth.


Time to leave Polyphony behind n listen to what others have to say about their choices. cheers :cheers:

3500th post .. w00t!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

there's a few good reasons there's no damage modeling in Gran Turismo.
They're modeled after real cars, it costs enough money to get the licenses for those cars in the first place. Check every game you've played with destructable cars and count how many have real licensed cars in them. Moreover, car manufacturers don't want their cars getting damaged, and it would cost even more money just to get permission. 2nd, Yamauchi is a perfectionist, and is reluctant to put damage modeling in his games if it can't be as realistic as possible.
And then, suppose they do get permission after paying through the nose to get it, then they actually have to go and do it. that costs more time and more money. It's already a multimillion dollar AAA game.
And this one gets a 'deedeedee': the PS2 was maxed out as is with GT3 and 4 with the photorealistic graphics and pitch-perfect physics simulation, let alone cramming in a decent damage modeling engine. It's give and take. It might be possible on PS3, I wouldn't know but I won't get pissed if it isn't in there. I think people in general make too big a deal about damaged cars in games anyway.

[VG Aficionado]

Yamauchi said that GT5 would finally feature damage modeling, and that we might even get to play with it in a forthcoming free second GTHD concept demo.

[NickSCFC]

there's a few good reasons there's no damage modeling in Gran Turismo.
They're modeled after real cars, it costs enough money to get the licenses for those cars in the first place. Check every game you've played with destructable cars and count how many have real licensed cars in them. Moreover, car manufacturers don't want their cars getting damaged, and it would cost even more money just to get permission. 2nd, Yamauchi is a perfectionist, and is reluctant to put damage modeling in his games if it can't be as realistic as possible.
Was pretty shocked with how good the damage in Forza was (can#'t believe even Ferrari let them do it), think it was the 1st racing game I'd seen with paint damage, couldn't believe you could leave paintwork on the walls you'd scraped down. Hopefully this'll be in GT5.

[Z]

Was pretty shocked with how good the damage in Forza was (can#'t believe even Ferrari let them do it), think it was the 1st racing game I'd seen with paint damage, couldn't believe you could leave paintwork on the walls you'd scraped down. Hopefully this'll be in GT5.
EA's NFS series has been damaging high-end cars for years.

[TheGreenElf]

I will say everyone on the list is deserving of this award. Not one seems to be slacking. In fact this is a good idea for a general console thread.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

EA's NFS series has been damaging high-end cars for years.

Conversely, each game has like...20 cars in it, as opposed to GT's 500.

[Red_Eyes]

Was pretty shocked with how good the damage in Forza was (can#'t believe even Ferrari let them do it), think it was the 1st racing game I'd seen with paint damage, couldn't believe you could leave paintwork on the walls you'd scraped down. Hopefully this'll be in GT5.

The damage in Forza still doesn't look real enough or photo-realistic enough. When you see the damage in GT5, it'll look like a real car crashing into a real wall, and your mom will never even realize that it's only a game.

[Z]

Conversely, each game has like...20 cars in it, as opposed to GT's 500.

regardless, it refutes the claim that 'car manufacturers don't want to see their babies scratched'- which I never bought for a second.

[venomv]

Square-Enix, Kojima, or factor 5. I have to give Lionhead honorable mention for being dreamers, but always falling on their face.

[VG Aficionado]

regardless, it refutes the claim that 'car manufacturers don't want to see their babies scratched'- which I never bought for a second.Well, actually it does in a way. Would you create a damage system that would only work with a few car models? In GT4, you would have needed the rights to 700+ car models and that has to cost mountains of money. It's not that the car manufacturers don't want to show their broken cars no matter what, but the developers and/or publishers may not be able to reach a satisfactory solution within budget. Do you think Yamauchi would have accepted that GT4 had a damage-enabled gameplay mode where you could access a limited number of cars that you could destroy on the tracks?

Well, I would have liked that to have happened, even though you would have seen a lot of people complaining about how they can't wreck all the cars the game features :dur: And they probably would have needed to do a few adjustments in order to make it possible, like putting less cars on screen, running at a lower framerate (hell, not in GT!), using less detailed and smaller tracks, etc.

Anyway, say goodbye to those times with PS3 :) Hopefully, we will see every feature we've been looking forward to seeing in the GT series in GT5 :hugegrin:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

^Yeah that's my thinking.

[yoshaw]

dun know where else to put this but an interesting excerpt caught my eye

As for me, I've had a go of an unannounced multiplayer game which is like nothing I've ever played before. There was a large group of people gathered around the TV watching four of us play -- they had been attracted by all the laughing and shouting. I can't tell you anything about it other than it was simple, hilarious and very imaginative.


http://blogs.ign.com/Sony_SingStar/2007/02/05/45790/

Sounds like a downloadable game n it appears to be Sony's 1st party job. Maybe stuff from them Molecular something developer.

[Epix]

Naughty Dog where are you!!??

[curryking1]

The most?

1 - Polyphony
2 - Naughty Dog
3 - Square

I like what SCE is doing with the ICE engine for their first and second party groups also. SCEWWS is something I don't know where to place. I know Naughty Dog and Polyphony are part of SCEWWS, but Polyphony seems to do their own stuff, albeit very damn well.

Guerilla and Kojima Studios also, but I want to see what their final products just to be extra sure. I'm not really doubting KS, more wondering about Guerilla.

[VG Aficionado]

dun know where else to put this but an interesting excerpt caught my eye

http://blogs.ign.com/Sony_SingStar/2007/02/05/45790/

Sounds like a downloadable game n it appears to be Sony's 1st party job. Maybe stuff from them Molecular something developer.Great find! Hopefully, that'll be a surprise downloadable title for the European launch :-p

[LiquidEagle]

We've only seen Kojima Productions' graphics engine so far with MGS4 and it's already amazing -- wait until we get past the surface into the things you "can't see" and see what's under the hood of that game -- if you didn't cast your vote for KojiPro to begin with, you'll wish you could then! :-D

[Viper]

Crytek.

Many companies are doing great things technologically and some are doing it from different angles but Crytek is at the forefront of putting it all together in one package.

[VG Aficionado]

Crytek.

Many companies are doing great things technologically and some are doing it from different angles but Crytek is at the forefront of putting it all together in one package.Well, to be honest, I think there should be a few more developers that could very well compete with Crytek if they were in the same situation. Crytek are producing a visually stunning game, no doubt about that, but they're also running it on the most powerful hardware in the market and they're also relying on the latest tools to take advantage of it.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm really looking forward to Crysis myself... in two years from now, maybe. There's no way I'm upgrading my anything-but-old PC for just one game, let alone buying and installing Vista for it to take advantage of DirectX10 only for Vista to slow down the brand new PC, making the upgrade more pointless than it would already be. I hope there'll be a XP patch by then, official or not, so that I'll be able to play it without Vista, as I don't think I'll want to have it and use it at home.

Just release a PS3 version, Crytek. I don't care if it doesn't look that good, the gameplay features are interesting enough for me.

[Viper]

Well, if you look at it from a view point of who is doing great technologically with the tech given then the scope narrows greatly and most likely would fall to a developer working on PS2, PSP, Wii or DS instead.

If you look at it purely from a technology viewpoint with no limiting factors, Crytek takes it rather easily (Alan Wake may be a close second being developed with quad cores in mind).

[LiquidEagle]

I agree with VG here though on Crytek -- creating a game on a dream system isn't as commendable as creating a game for a system with set specs, which is why I think console games and their devs are doing a more remarkable job in that area.

Purely from a technological point of view, yeah I guess Crytek wins pretty much be default -- there isn't much competition at all in the uber-comp area right now. Like I said though, I don't think it's much to Crytek's credit that they're one of the few devs working for these far-off systems. They're standing out by working with specs nobody's working on, whereas other developers are making their product stand out using specs the rest of the dev community has been working with but not getting similar results. That's technologically a big feat too, since it's all about tools and efficiency.

Just my opinion... I get into quite a few arguments with my friends about that :laugh:

[Viper]

Guys, it's not like Crytek is the only PC developer out there. Why are other PC devs not pushing the same envelope given they develop for the same platform?

You guys are giving Crytek a free pass just because they are developing with the optimal gaming environment in mind yet so too could many other PC devs (Some are and we may just not be aware yet, Alan Wake developer aside).

As I stated on a more limited environment, sure PS2, PSP, Wii and DS developers are probably pushing the technological boundaries a more so than the neg gen developers who are just getting familiar with the hardware itself.

[Z]

I don't care what specs Crysis has to run on, it doesn't mean it isn't the most amazing and most impressive game visually ever made. it puts to shame all other beauty queens. heck, I can't even think about any other game when I look at that thing. it looks better than what I get looking outside my window...

I know when the game releases and I find someway to run it on full settings (or at least seeing it run on full settings) I will still not believe it.

[Pistolero]

I honestly think that the wizards of Naughty Dog will blow our minds !

[JosVerstappen]

Yup, that's my pick too.

Although Kojima ,Epic and Crytec already showed their cards what some very nice stuff, I think Naughty Dog and Guerilla will top that in their own special way.

It's just that they haven't showed what they got for next-gen that makes them the unknown underdogs for most people, but I'm pretty damn sure they will come up with some not-seen-before amazing stuff. They have too much talent and money floating around in both their companies to disappoint with their big budget-titles, and have been taking their time for 3 years now working on their titles. Besides, there were some inside people that had a look at both their games, they leaked a bit off info on some forums, and said everything that came out so far on next-gen will be shamed by these companies.

Secretly working on their gems, they will suddenly come out with their game looking for maximum media-impact in a quieter time, and just rock the socks off everyone feet. At least that's what I think. :cowboy:

[OmniCloud]

Crytek=Visually stunning...but somehow lifeless:shrug:

Alan Wake=best looking title I've seen yet coming to 360...

Killzone=awesome ambition which will probably lead to a great FPS...

MGS4=great atmosphere and vibe....

GT5=Prettiest racing game ever...

No one studio is doing it all...But I'd be lying if I said that Sony's World wide studios isn't very very interesting...

[[[tavis]]]

bungie. 2x's over they have made games that define FPS'. Online is HALO2.

[jaxmkii]

a toyota camery defined the sedan buy being the most successfull car built durring the 90s. but it did nothing to push the technological envelope?

Halo may define the FPS but how did it push the technological envelope? i just dont see it where is Bungie's big breakthough?