Hardware Sales: Week Ending Dec 24 (Japan)

[McLaren]

This Is for the week ending Dec 24...From the looks, the Sony production is really picking up and PS2 is still selling like WOW :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://www.vgcharts.org/japweekly.php

DS 508,750 (+57%) 13,944,500

Wii 286,500 (+185%) 859,000

PSP 106,250 (+106%) 4,644,250

PS3 101,500 (+40%) 420,500

PS2 69,750 (+65%) 21,818,000

X360 30,500 (+69%) 281,000

GBA 16,500 (+73%) 16,640,750

GC 1,750 (+40%) 4,015,250

[frosty]

420,500 so far. Wonder what the US has...

[McLaren]

Now the key is that they reach at least 5 mill by march. Ok maybe 4 mil

[julps31]

So that is just for one week...thats good numbers for one week. Hopefully they'll keep it up.

[Garfunkel]

wow, the 360 honestly doesn't seem to be doing that well.

[frosty]

edit: nvm, didn't see that was total and not weekly.

[masteratt]

X360 sells 30,500 and that's a 69% improvement? hahahaha!


420,000?! For shame Sony. For. Shame. :( (But still beating X360....hahaha. weekly AND total...oh man..haha)


Boy DS and Wii are on a bullet proof train to success :clap:
This gen would have been much more interesting if al companies could have provided enough consoles to meet demand.
The way it is, it makes everything too obvious with PS3 not being able to sell too much and X360 sucking in Japan as always, it's clear who is going to take the obvious and clear lead.

[Garfunkel]

the wii and DS are going like nothing before them, good on ninty for that, but it will be interesting to find out how far the wii can go.

[Shadow Voa]

The distance and beyond that.

[Garfunkel]

The distance and beyond that.

I don't know, you may find it's bubble bursts, i hope not but only time will tell.

[Shadow Voa]

No its not a bubble burst, I believe Nintendo was on the right track and we will see the outcome in the end. I hope its as promising as I believe it is, and Im not being biased at all cause I love my PS3 I just wish time would go by faster to relieve me of this drought for games I am in.

Good thing I have FFIII and MGS:PO... I still want Sonic the Hedgehog for Playstation 3, hurry up Sega!!!

[frosty]

Spare yourself, it sucks. Played it at E3.

[Garfunkel]

No its not a bubble burst, I believe Nintendo was on the right track and we will see the outcome in the end. I hope its as promising as I believe it is, and Im not being biased at all cause I love my PS3 I just wish time would go by faster to relieve me of this drought for games I am in.

Good thing I have FFIII and MGS:PO... I still want Sonic the Hedgehog for Playstation 3, hurry up Sega!!!

Yeah, i hope there is no bubble, i would love a perfect 50-50 split between Ninty and Sony, it would show Nintendo can still mix it and would show sony that they can't bury them that easy.

I couldn't care less about MS.

[Applefiend]

The trump card for Microsoft in Japan is Blue Dragon and the other Mistwalker RPGs, they've played their hand and got nothing in return.

PS3, number one high def console in Japan. Groovy. Blu Ray jRPGs are secure.

[Garfunkel]

psssh, blue dragon and such are games the Japanese will like but they are far from stupid, they know MS isn't gonna focus on them, they know Sony and Nintendo are fellow Japanese businesses that focus more on the Japanese market, in Japan they have a very different business culture, one in which ms has no part.

[masteratt]

Yeah they made it way too obvious that their plan was "shit we need to sell in japan, let's just make one or two 'jap games' to sell some units".

MS needs to show love and at the moment they are lacking that and it's waaaaay too obvious their only business plan is to make money.

MS can't seem to get it through their skull that you can care about the consumers AND still make money. They still see consumers as the idiots and themselves as the un-beatable empire with lots of money.

Sony makes profit through content sales so the consumer pays them and we get good stuff (we give some, you give some deal, which is fair) and Nintendo with it's careful profitable console design which allows them to take risks at being innovative in which case again, the consumer wins.

Ms isn't doing enough for the consumers especially not Japanese.

[Garfunkel]

not only that but i think the few thousand xbox's sold in Japan have been americans/Euros living in Japan or imports or tourists.

[Applefiend]

I think the 360 sales in japan, such as they are, are down the the people who like the Team Ninja stuff and the Mistwalker stuff, and yeah there's some ex pats too, although since these ex-pats may not be able to read japanese and Microsoft have region locked their beastie that's kinda puzzling.

And there's the guys like me who just have to have one of everything.

I think there may be a Mega CD effect where japanese guys and gals have bought the original XBox with an open mind and it never got played, so they don't want to get burnt twice.

When I was in Japan in '05 it was hard to even buy an Xbox or any software, it was wall to wall Nintendo/Sony. I think the japanese just think of XBox as a very American console designed for American tastes.

I of course understand the world doesn't revolve around what the japanese like, but my world does. :)

And that's what it always comes back to, the console that will be number one will be the one that sells best in the big three markets (USA, Europe, Japan).

[Ravster]

Woah, the DS is kicking ass.

[Viano]

M$, disgusting

*Summoning the great Leopard detroying Bisda*


I'm thinking getting a Wii for my little brother and sister..

[Sephiroth_VII]

What about one for yourself?

[Viano]

thinking about it, but not much time playing so

[PUNK em 733]

M$, disgusting

*Summoning the great Leopard detroying Bisda*


I'm thinking getting a Wii for my little brother and sister..



Do it, they'll like it.

[8_Bit]

Some folks prefer the Media Create numbers, so here they are for the week ending Dec. 24:

Hardware:

DSL 485,584
Wii 279,277
PSP 138,588
PS3 76,882
PS2 46,209
Xbox360 17,213
GBM 2,394
GBASP 1,858
GC 1,250
DS 380
GBA 57
Xbox 11


Software Top 10 (first number is weekly sale, second number is LTD):

1. (NDS / Nintendo) Pokemon Diamant - 209.379 / 2.329.227
2. (PSP / Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops - 178.370 / NEW
3. (NDS / Nintendo) Pokemon Pearl - 164.670 / 1.931.445
4. (NDS / Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 154.107 / 3.771.128
5. (Wii / Nintendo) Wii Sports - 152.756 / 471.229
6. (PS2 / Square Enix) Seiken Densetsu 4 - 152.062 / NEW
7. (NDS / Nintendo) Kirby Squeak Squad - 149.350 / 706.984
8. (NDS / Sega) Love and Berry DS Collection - 139.382 / 747.926
9. (Wii / Nintendo) Wii Play - 137.495 / 439.323
10. (NDS / Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars - 134.551 / 484.529

11-30:

11. (PS2 / Bandai Namco) Tales of the World Radiant Mythology / NEW
12. (NDS / Nintendo) Animal Crossing: Wild World
13. (NDS / Nintendo) Otona no Joushikiryoku Training DS
14. (NDS / Nintendo) Dr. Kawashima: More Brain Training
15. (NDS / Bandai Namco) Tamagotchi no Puchi Puchi Omisetchi Gohiikini
16. (NDS / Spike) Nounai Aesthe: IQ Suppli DS / NEW
17. (NDS / Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
18. (NDS / Nintendo) Shaberu! Oryouri Nabi
19. (Wii / Nintendo) Pokemon Battle Revolution
20. (Wii / Nintendo) Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
21. (Wii / Nintendo) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
22. (NDS / Nintendo) Dr. Kawashima: Brain Training
23. (PS2 / Sega) Yakuza 2
24. (NDS / Tomy Entertainment) Naruto Shinobi Retsuden DS
25. (NDS / IE Institute) 200 Bannin no Kan Ken: Tokoton Kanji Nou
26. (PS3 / From Software) Armored Core 4 / NEW
27. (NDS / Bandai Namco) Heisei Kyouikuiinkai DS / NEW
28. (360 / Capcom) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition / NEW
29. (NDS / Shogakukan Production) DS Kageyama Method
30. (NDS / Capcom) Mega Man Star Force: Pegasus

31-50:

31. Magic Taizen (DS)
32. Cooking Navi (DS)
33. English Training for Adults (DS)
34. Gundam SEED Destiny Alliance vs ZAFT II Plus (PS2)
35. Ryusei no Rockman Leo (DS)
36. Kirarin Revolution (DS)
37. Kanji Training (DS)
38. Ryusei no Rockman Dragon (DS)
39. Chocobo and the Magic Picture Book (DS)
40. Ryu ga Gotoku The Best (PS2)
41. Fuurai no Shiren (DS)
42. PawaPuro-kun Pocket 9 (DS)
43. Tetris DS (DS)
44. Momotetsu 16 (PS2)
45. Prince of Tennis Doki Doki Survival (PS2)
46. Mario Basket 3on3 (DS)
47. Final Fantasy III (DS)
48. Winning Eleven 10 (PSP)
49. Power Pro Baseball 13 (PS2)
50. Need For Speed Carbon (PS2)

Looks like MGS:PO was the big winner for Sony system titles. Good deal. PSP needs some success stories, and from playing MGS:PO, I'm glad it's doing well. It deserves success. It is a great portable game.

Looks like Sony is still channeling most of the PS3 stock into North America, but the supply is definitely ramping up quickly since Sony's announcement last week that the manufacturing issues were ironed out.

I wonder when the combination of enough PS3 hardware at retail, and the right title, will come along to push a PS3 title into the Top 10 for the first time. Any guesses? I could see it happening in Feb. with VF and VT hitting that month, but I have no idea if enough people will have the system by then.

I'd expect at this pace (combined with the fact that Blue Dragon fell off the top 50 quickly, and 360 sales have slowed to a crawl again) that PS3 will have double the user base of XB360 in Japan within either next week's report, or the one after that. Kind of sad that MS couldn't maintain any momentum from Blue Dragon over there, but I can't say it's unexpected.

Nintendo 1st party is amazing. I wonder how third parties feel though. I'm sure they wish Nintendo had a more balanced approach and scaled back the 1st party release schedule a bit, like SCEWW is doing by spacing out 1st party PS3 releases. If NIntendo does the same thing with the Wii that they do with the DS, it might discourage developers to go all out developing unique titles for Wii, and they might instead opt to patch their PS2 ports to Wii more and more.

[Smokey]

Xbox 11

...........

[Sephiroth_VII]

It surprised me that it sold any units at all, considering that MS has stopped producing them.

[VG Aficionado]

Are they still selling their 2002 launch allocation? ;)

[cliffbo]

PS3, number one high def console in Japan. Groovy. Blu Ray jRPGs are secure.

so we are categorizing the consoles now to alleviate some of our PS3 disappointments... just an observation ;)

[VG Aficionado]

so we are categorizing the consoles now to alleviate some of our PS3 disappointments... just an observation ;)Well, you must observe that 360 fanboys have argued all the time that 360 and Microsoft were the leader over a year, or that they keep being so for that matter. Note how they don't take into account that there was no competition in the next gen category, or that the PS2 still rules the home console category, and that Microsoft still hasn't overcome the loss that Xbox produced yet.

[cliffbo]

Well, you must observe that 360 fanboys have argued all the time that 360 and Microsoft were the leader over a year, or that they keep being so for that matter. Note how they don't take into account that there was no competition in the next gen category, or that the PS2 still rules the home console category, and that Microsoft still hasn't overcome the loss that Xbox produced yet.

as they always will ;)

[Old_Timer!]

Cliff you of all people should know the game has just begun, when it's all said and done there is still more people out there with PS2 that will graduate to a PS3 than all the other systems.

[The Dude]

and that Microsoft still hasn't overcome the loss that Xbox produced yet.

I don't think that they look at it as a loss. To them it could be looked at more of an investment. In return they got their foot in the door as a serious player in console gaming. So many Sony fans compare the 360 to the Dreamcast launching a year early only to fail in the long run. Yet, they forget that the PS2 launched a year before the Xbox and Gamecube.

The one year head start only matters if there are already good games out before their competition launches. The Dreamcast did not have a good library when the PS2 came out, Sega wasted their year head start. Now by the time the Gamecube and Xbox launched, PS2 had one of its killer aps, Gran Turismo 3, already out along with many other solid titles.

This holiday season the 360 had a ton of good games already out while the Wii only had Zelda, and the PS3 Resistance. There is no doubt that the 360 has the most games worth buying at the moment.

[VG Aficionado]

I don't think that they look at it as a loss. To them it could be looked at more of an investment. In return they got their foot in the door as a serious player in console gaming.They did get a name out, but you can't consider a $4 billion loss an investment. Besides, it wasn't Microsoft itself the one who invested and lost all that money. I'm sure many of the investors who are putting money on the 360 now are people who weren't involved with the original system.

So many Sony fans compare the 360 to the Dreamcast launching a year early only to fail in the long run. Yet, they forget that the PS2 launched a year before the Xbox and Gamecube.Your point being? Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox and GameCube belong to the same generation. 360, PS3 and Wii belong to the same generation too. The only fact I see here is that Sony consoles never launched first (Saturn - PS1 - N64 / ignoring 3DO, Jaguar and whatnot). Another factor in the equation is that MS isn't in a precarious financial state, so it's not like 360 could fail the same way Dreamcast did.

The one year head start only matters if there are already good games out before their competition launches. The Dreamcast did not have a good library when the PS2 came out, Sega wasted their year head start.Huh? I'm afraid Dreamcast fans are going to be in utter disagreement with you, there were tons of good Dreamcast games in its first year.

Now by the time the Gamecube and Xbox launched, PS2 had one of its killer aps, Gran Turismo 3, already out along with many other solid titles.It's not like that, really. While PS2 had an excellent and huge game catalogue (with tons of garbage too, but who cares when you have good games to play with), Xbox and GameCube's were very lacking until they died. The reason why PS2 wins is because of the game catalogue over the years, not because of timing.

This holiday season the 360 had a ton of good games already out while the Wii only had Zelda, and the PS3 Resistance. There is no doubt that the 360 has the most games worth buying at the moment.Surely 360 has had that advantage since it's been out the longest, but the advantage will fade away the more the three systems compete in the market over the next years.

[Old_Timer!]

Sega had good games and was still pumping out good games when PS2 launched in 2000, PS2 launch games wasn't anything special either. Bouncer, Phantavision, StreetFighterEX was all crap.
I waited until July 2001 to buy PS2 when they launched GT3, and Xbox was released on November 15.
Sony's launch titels this year of the PS3 was better than PS2 lanch titles, and once again great titles are in the channel need I say Motorstorm etc. etc.

[LiquidEagle]

Man, I loved SSX and Timesplitters at the PS2 launch... memories...


Anyhoo, interesting numbers. Very glad to see MPO is doing great there! :-D

[woundingchaney]

I dont know if they eat DSs and PS2s over there or what (LOL).

MS simply cant sell a console over there for their life. Sure getting the region oreinted games would help, but in all reality I dont think MS will ever climb out of Sonys and Nins shadow (in Japan).

[CrumCon]

I have a feeling that Wii will be just like DS. a huge success compared to the competitors.

[Viano]

it isn't a bad thing

[Nights]

That list is a joke. Media Create lost all credit with this one.

11. (PS2 / Bandai Namco) Tales of the World Radiant Mythology / NEW

Tales of the World Radiant Mythology is a PSP title.

Some folks prefer the Media Create numbers, so here they are for the week ending Dec. 24:

Hardware:

DSL 485,584
Wii 279,277
PSP 138,588
PS3 76,882
PS2 46,209
Xbox360 17,213
GBM 2,394
GBASP 1,858
GC 1,250
DS 380
GBA 57
Xbox 11


Software Top 10 (first number is weekly sale, second number is LTD):

1. (NDS / Nintendo) Pokemon Diamant - 209.379 / 2.329.227
2. (PSP / Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops - 178.370 / NEW
3. (NDS / Nintendo) Pokemon Pearl - 164.670 / 1.931.445
4. (NDS / Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 154.107 / 3.771.128
5. (Wii / Nintendo) Wii Sports - 152.756 / 471.229
6. (PS2 / Square Enix) Seiken Densetsu 4 - 152.062 / NEW
7. (NDS / Nintendo) Kirby Squeak Squad - 149.350 / 706.984
8. (NDS / Sega) Love and Berry DS Collection - 139.382 / 747.926
9. (Wii / Nintendo) Wii Play - 137.495 / 439.323
10. (NDS / Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars - 134.551 / 484.529

11-30:

11. (PS2 / Bandai Namco) Tales of the World Radiant Mythology / NEW
12. (NDS / Nintendo) Animal Crossing: Wild World
13. (NDS / Nintendo) Otona no Joushikiryoku Training DS
14. (NDS / Nintendo) Dr. Kawashima: More Brain Training
15. (NDS / Bandai Namco) Tamagotchi no Puchi Puchi Omisetchi Gohiikini
16. (NDS / Spike) Nounai Aesthe: IQ Suppli DS / NEW
17. (NDS / Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
18. (NDS / Nintendo) Shaberu! Oryouri Nabi
19. (Wii / Nintendo) Pokemon Battle Revolution
20. (Wii / Nintendo) Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
21. (Wii / Nintendo) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
22. (NDS / Nintendo) Dr. Kawashima: Brain Training
23. (PS2 / Sega) Yakuza 2
24. (NDS / Tomy Entertainment) Naruto Shinobi Retsuden DS
25. (NDS / IE Institute) 200 Bannin no Kan Ken: Tokoton Kanji Nou
26. (PS3 / From Software) Armored Core 4 / NEW
27. (NDS / Bandai Namco) Heisei Kyouikuiinkai DS / NEW
28. (360 / Capcom) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition / NEW
29. (NDS / Shogakukan Production) DS Kageyama Method
30. (NDS / Capcom) Mega Man Star Force: Pegasus

31-50:

31. Magic Taizen (DS)
32. Cooking Navi (DS)
33. English Training for Adults (DS)
34. Gundam SEED Destiny Alliance vs ZAFT II Plus (PS2)
35. Ryusei no Rockman Leo (DS)
36. Kirarin Revolution (DS)
37. Kanji Training (DS)
38. Ryusei no Rockman Dragon (DS)
39. Chocobo and the Magic Picture Book (DS)
40. Ryu ga Gotoku The Best (PS2)
41. Fuurai no Shiren (DS)
42. PawaPuro-kun Pocket 9 (DS)
43. Tetris DS (DS)
44. Momotetsu 16 (PS2)
45. Prince of Tennis Doki Doki Survival (PS2)
46. Mario Basket 3on3 (DS)
47. Final Fantasy III (DS)
48. Winning Eleven 10 (PSP)
49. Power Pro Baseball 13 (PS2)
50. Need For Speed Carbon (PS2)

Looks like MGS:PO was the big winner for Sony system titles. Good deal. PSP needs some success stories, and from playing MGS:PO, I'm glad it's doing well. It deserves success. It is a great portable game.

Looks like Sony is still channeling most of the PS3 stock into North America, but the supply is definitely ramping up quickly since Sony's announcement last week that the manufacturing issues were ironed out.

I wonder when the combination of enough PS3 hardware at retail, and the right title, will come along to push a PS3 title into the Top 10 for the first time. Any guesses? I could see it happening in Feb. with VF and VT hitting that month, but I have no idea if enough people will have the system by then.

I'd expect at this pace (combined with the fact that Blue Dragon fell off the top 50 quickly, and 360 sales have slowed to a crawl again) that PS3 will have double the user base of XB360 in Japan within either next week's report, or the one after that. Kind of sad that MS couldn't maintain any momentum from Blue Dragon over there, but I can't say it's unexpected.

Nintendo 1st party is amazing. I wonder how third parties feel though. I'm sure they wish Nintendo had a more balanced approach and scaled back the 1st party release schedule a bit, like SCEWW is doing by spacing out 1st party PS3 releases. If NIntendo does the same thing with the Wii that they do with the DS, it might discourage developers to go all out developing unique titles for Wii, and they might instead opt to patch their PS2 ports to Wii more and more.

[Raijin]

They lost all credibility because of one typo?.... :huh:

[OmniCloud]

Who the heck is buying all those DS? I haven't touched mine in like 1 months! LOL...I do hope Wii continues the strong sales...and it does look like Blu-ray JRPG's are safe once again!

[Slipphreake]

I really hope JRPGS do come to the PS3, but I wont be surprised when we see more of them hop onto the Wii or the DS (just like DQ).

[Garfunkel]

i snorted when i saw the "xbox, 11". wow, and all of them were likely replacements.

I do not think MS will ever be liked in Japan.

[OmniCloud]

I really hope JRPGS do come to the PS3, but I wont be surprised when we see more of them hop onto the Wii or the DS (just like DQ).I wouldn't mind that...as long as the big one (Final Fantasy, DQ, Kingdom Hearts, Level 5's stuff) make there way to PS3 as well...The more RPG's the better I say...

[frosty]

I'll be happy with FF. I'm not the biggest RPG nut.

[Slipphreake]

I wouldn't mind that...as long as the big one (Final Fantasy, DQ, Kingdom Hearts, Level 5's stuff) make there way to PS3 as well...The more RPG's the better I say...

I think DQ is going to be on the DS for a while. Mostly because I think its going to sell insane on that system. The DS is the new PS2. I think Kingdom Hearts will be on both the PS3 and the DS. I wonder how big Level 5 is because they're making DQ 9 and White Knight Story (I think) and they just released Rogue Galaxy not that long ago and are still doing to stuff for the US version. I think FF will remain on the PS3 for a while mostly because of Tetsuya Nomura. For some reason I get the feeling he likes working with Sony's hardware the most.

[OmniCloud]

Yeah...it will definitely be a huge game for DS, but DQ8 was actually pretty good...It kinda filled the void that Dark Cloud 3 was supposed to be. I can't imagine playing DQ9 on DS and having even remotely the same experience. Support the DS-that's great, it's bring in females and a bunch of gamers that haven't really played games before. I just hope that developers don't forget about the real gamers that's been here since the beginning. I want my full-blown, beautiful, voice-acting cut-scene RPG! And I want it done right...White Knight Story look promising though.

PS3 sells should be strong enough to warrant many RPG's though...so I'm not that worried, seeing as if we'll have 2 Fantasy games probably not that far from each other...

[Slipphreake]

I don't think its going to be anywhere near the same thing you would get on a console, but that doesn't mean it wont sell well. I don't see DQ9 selling like hot cakes in America, but in Japan its the biggest RPG. So because a lot of the people in Japan who have the DS used to play all the time, but started to run out of time to play, I would be disappointed if DQ9 wasn't the best selling game in the series.

I think we'll see more Jrpgs on the PS3, but I think we'll see less of them because of how much its going to cost. I say we wont start hearing about any of the smaller Jrpgs until late next year at the earliest. The PS3 still hasn't sold enough units to warrant a lot of the smaller companies to hop on the PS3 train just yet.

[9thPower]

I think DQ is going to be on the DS for a while. Mostly because I think its going to sell insane on that system. The DS is the new PS2. I think Kingdom Hearts will be on both the PS3 and the DS. I wonder how big Level 5 is because they're making DQ 9 and White Knight Story (I think) and they just released Rogue Galaxy not that long ago and are still doing to stuff for the US version. I think FF will remain on the PS3 for a while mostly because of Tetsuya Nomura. For some reason I get the feeling he likes working with Sony's hardware the most. And... Joanne D'art or whatever her name is, its a game made for the PSP from Level 5. so 4 projects they are making.

[The Dude]

Your point being?

You almost grasp it right here..


The reason why PS2 wins is because of the game catalogue over the years, not because of timing.

My argument was because of timing, Sony already had a years worth of great games under it's belt when the Xbox/Gamcube hit. In fact, reading a few interviews with Peter Moore (EGM last year I think it was) he states that the reason the 360 launched when it did was because of the lessons learned from the PS2's early launch. I think it's funny that some sony fans compare the 360 to the Dreamcast, yet totally forget that the PS2 launched a year before it's "real" compitition did.

[amuront]

Back to topic, does anyone has the Hong Kong and Taiwan PS3 sales chart?
If we add those numbers, we may get something interesting, or not :stirpot:

[Cless]

So you are saying Dreamcast is not a real competitor to PS2? To which generation does Dreamcast belong to (PS1?, N64?)? Releasing a console earlier doesn't mean you will win the console war, in fact far from it. If you don't have the games that appeal gamers the console otherwise won't sell.

And no, Dreamcast does have good games, it is just that the PS2 had greater titles and the games appealed more gamers in comparison with Dreamcast. Just wait for the games and see if releasing a console earlier does matter. IMO it doesn't matter at all in the long run.

[Z]

I think it's funny that some sony fans compare the 360 to the Dreamcast, yet totally forget that the PS2 launched a year before it's "real" compitition did.
maybe some prefer comparing PS3 & X2 with DC and PS2 since DC had more common subject titles with X2 than with PS2. i.e. better development tools and cheaper price.

in any case, keep in mind that PS2 didn't merely have a year head start. it also seen its biggest games launched with in that first year. MGS2, FFX, DMC, GT3, AC4, J&D, R&C, TTT, RR, Wipeout, Twisted Metal, SOCOM are some of the highlights that launched around or by the time Box and Cube launched, IICR.
think how would X2 have done if it had Halo 3, GeoW, BD, etc. before PS3 launched.

making it out first has its benefits, but bringing out more 'must-haves' before the competition even launches is even a greater plus.

On Topic:
I am more interested in these early sales charts in seeing how much the number of unit supplies rise. I wouldn't take these initial figures for much since you can't judge things by the early adopter rush.
I want to see how fast PS3 and Rev supplies rise.

[Garfunkel]

You almost grasp it right here..



My argument was because of timing, Sony already had a years worth of great games under it's belt when the Xbox/Gamcube hit. In fact, reading a few interviews with Peter Moore (EGM last year I think it was) he states that the reason the 360 launched when it did was because of the lessons learned from the PS2's early launch. I think it's funny that some sony fans compare the 360 to the Dreamcast, yet totally forget that the PS2 launched a year before it's "real" compitition did.

If you go back in history you will find that barely any consoles that launch first win in their generation. The dreamcast was out far before the ps2 and had some good games but ultimately failed, the 360 has been out for more then a year and has only sold about 6.3 million or so, less then the original xbox, the saturn came before the ps1 and failed to get far as well.

[frosty]

Even the Genesis eventually failed (to SNES, that is) despite it's various add ons.

[Garfunkel]

and i believe the ad dons were a reason for it's decline in sales.

[frosty]

No, Donkey Kong Country is what catapulted SNES over it. The add ons weren't required for much, the Genesis was just starting to show it's age and SNES' technical advantages were becoming more apparent. (may be mirrored this gen)

[Applefiend]

What it comes down to, SNES just had better games. And a better variety of games too.

The awful add ons with awful games definately contributed. Sega concentrated on hardware over gameplay, so you got Night Trap, Cobra Command, and all that other MegaCD ****. There was a couple of good games on MegaCD, a great Final Fight and your man Kojima's Policenauts, but mostly... Criss Cross make my video.

And don't forget what made the Genesis popular in the US, those great Genesis Sports titles. All went to Playstation they did.

Check this out: http://www.archive.org/details/retro-core-volume-5 Retrocore 32X Special. Check out how crap the 32X was, imagine the dissapointment of laying down a bunch of money for the 32X and only getting this crap to play.

MegaCD Disaster, 32X Disaster, all contributed to the demise of Sega. Beginning of the end.

[VG Aficionado]

My argument was because of timing, Sony already had a years worth of great games under it's belt when the Xbox/Gamcube hit. In fact, reading a few interviews with Peter Moore (EGM last year I think it was) he states that the reason the 360 launched when it did was because of the lessons learned from the PS2's early launch. I think it's funny that some sony fans compare the 360 to the Dreamcast, yet totally forget that the PS2 launched a year before it's "real" compitition did.I'm afraid you ignore that Peter Moore was originally in charge of Dreamcast (yet one more reason why people think 360's situation is somewhat similar to Dreamcast's). And if he really said that, it's really funny of him considering the system he worked with before was the one which launched first in the PS2 generation :lol: Neither the PS1 nor the PS2 launched before the competition did, you simply can't deny that.

If you go back in history you will find that barely any consoles that launch first win in their generation. The dreamcast was out far before the ps2 and had some good games but ultimately failed, the 360 has been out for more then a year and has only sold about 6.3 million or so, less then the original xbox, the saturn came before the ps1 and failed to get far as well.True, even though I feel Dreamcast would have been much more competitive in the end if Sega's hadn't undergone their huge financial trouble. Maybe Xbox or GameCube wouldn't have stood a chance.

[Applefiend]

I can't imagine playing DQ9 on DS and having even remotely the same experience.

Big DQ fan, but what I think DQ9 is is DQ7.5, but I'm a bit more settled now. :)

What I want is old school RPG gameplay, that Akira Toriyam art style, and a big giant game around 18GB. Is that DQ9? Oh god no. Is that.... Blue Dragon? Absolutely. So all there really is is a naming problem. Blue Dragon is really Dragon Quest 9, that thing on DS is DQ7.5. Problem solved. :)

Does rather seem like Blue Dragon is another Psychonauts, awesome game nobody will play but meeeeee: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/blue-dragon/zelda-blue-dragon-fall-off-japanese-sales-charts-223424.php

[Garfunkel]

^^oh god yeah, if they had the money to compete whey would have done well, people knew they were on their last legs and so EA et cetera were not supporting it too well.

the dreamcast sold well, 10 million in a third of the time the xbox has been out, if they had the money to market and convince publishers/developers of using the platform they would ultimately been very successful and there would be no xbox, the gamecube would still exist.

[VG Aficionado]

Big DQ fan, but what I think DQ9 is is DQ7.5, but I'm a bit more settled now. :)I bought DQ8 recently and it wouldn't feel right to play the next instalment on an inferior platform and media, you'd expect more from such an important series. I'm sure it will still be a good game and I can't blame SE for releasing it on DS, but I will definately not follow the series after DQ8 unless they release a canonical DQ title on PS3. Good thing Level 5 will still bring us White Knight Story on PS3.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/blue-dragon/zelda-blue-dragon-fall-off-japanese-sales-charts-223424.phpIt looks really bad for 360 in Japan now. Blue Dragon was by far the most anticipated title over there and it is gone from the top 50 well before the holiday season is over, despite the system being sold at the cheapest prices worldwide. I would also expect a significant number of cheap Japanese 360s on eBay shortly.

[cliffbo]

I have a feeling that Wii will be just like DS. a huge success compared to the competitors.

very controversial ;) how did you manage to work that out LOL

[cliffbo]

Cliff you of all people should know the game has just begun, when it's all said and done there is still more people out there with PS2 that will graduate to a PS3 than all the other systems.

yes i'm counting on this with 8 fingers and a big thumb, but this time around MS and Nintendo have a big thumb too...

[OmniCloud]

Apple is Blue Dragon good?

Yeah...I agree DQ8 was a great old/school game, but I'm sure there would be a nice market for such a game in 2008 right? That's depending on PS3's numbers over there but because the Wii is like a totally different gaming experience, and 360 sucks over there, there ain't much else to put a game like that on. I'm sure the Japanese people want a true next-gen Dragon Quest game, but I don't expect it to happen for a while...FF13 will more than make up for the lack of RPG's on the PS3 however...\

SE really pushed the PS and PS2 with there Final Fantasy debuts on the system, PS3 will be no different I believe. Amazing graphics, motion control, more CG/cut-scenes/voice-overs/dialog, (Blu-ray baby!) and another amazing story. I'm counting the eggs really hard right now, but I think there's a good chance FF13 will be game of the year when it releases...

[Garfunkel]

Look, i wonder if the ps2 will completely keep selling out better then the360 for the next year or so, at the end of the day, sony know how important it is to support the ps2, it has the largest fanbase of all consoles and the largest library of games to boot, the 360 doesn't even compare to this, eventually it will overtake but i am just astounded by how well the ps2 is going, surely everyone in the world must have one by now.

Something is truly wrong if the ps2 is still outselling it even though it is dramatically underpowered, it has had a long life that is for sure, reminds me of parents spending their kids inheritance. ;)

[OmniCloud]

Look, i wonder if the ps2 will completely keep selling out better then the360 for the next year or so, at the end of the day, sony know how important it is to support the ps2, it has the largest fanbase of all consoles and the largest library of games to boot, the 360 doesn't even compare to this, eventually it will overtake but i am just astounded by how well the ps2 is going, surely everyone in the world must have one by now.

Something is truly wrong if the ps2 is still outselling it even though it is dramatically underpowered, it has had a long life that is for sure, reminds me of parents spending their kids inheritance. ;)Some developers feel the PS2 will last even into the 2008 Holiday Season, especially because Xbox and Gamecube is practically dead.
PS3 and 360 Hi-def systems
PS2 and Wii-just plain ol' fun systems with tons of games at affordable prices
Sounds good to me...

[Garfunkel]

how funny would it be if when the 360 died the ps2 was still selling better? LOL

[dantruon]

how funny would it be if when the 360 died the ps2 was still selling better? LOL

that surely will happen.....in Japan only.

[Garfunkel]

oh you never know, it might actually happen.

[Sypher]

I've never played a single DQ, am i missing anything?

[VG Aficionado]

I've never played a single DQ, am i missing anything?DQ8 is quite fun and long, but it isn't too intense at all (quite slow actually) and I don't find it as interesting as Final Fantasy titles. Being a great FF fan, I won't really miss DQ if it doesn't appear in PS3 at all.

[Applefiend]

Haven't played Blue Dragon yet, only the import version is out and it's 100% in japanese, but as far as pedigree goes it's as good as it gets, and the Famitsu Review was good, 37/40.

I see Blue Dragon as being the first non crap next generation jRPG. Because come on... Zelda TP is a very good gamecube game with a new controller. There's crap ones you can buy like Enchant Arms etc, and Western ones like Oblvion, but BD is the first.

But Blue Dragon is pretty obviously right game, wrong machine.

As for Dragon Quest it's the original old school japanese RPG. Simple controls, huge engrossing story, very solid art style, awesome music. DQ8 is the best of the series and will remain the best for a long while to come. It's the basic formula for a japanese RPG. Leveling up, towns with shops that have better weapons, boss battles, potions.

It's the jRPG for everybody. Every other jRPG you can buy is more complicated, but with DQ you're playing an original. DQ and FF are the big huge expensive mass market jRPGs for everyone. Difference between FF and DQ is FF tries something new every game. DQ always sticks to the same formula.

http://www.rpg-legends.com/images/tests/DQ8/ME0000597130_1.gif

[OmniCloud]

Applefiend couldn't have said it better! If you like JRPG's then yeah, I think your missing out on a great game. Even though the hero doesn't say a word-you love him anyway!

[McLaren]

an update of the hardware sales figures.... don't know if they're true

http://www.vgcharts.org/

X360- 7.90m
Wii- 3.54m
PS3- 1.21m

[VideoGame mania]

According to CNBChttp://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=158897930&play=1 PS3 has sold 750.000 in North America+PS3 101,500 (+40%)in Japan 420,500= 1.170.500 units.means VG is pretty accurate

[Sephiroth_VII]

Applefiend couldn't have said it better! If you like JRPG's then yeah, I think your missing out on a great game. Even though the hero doesn't say a word-you love him anyway!

Link never said a word, Crono never said a word(unless you get one of the secret endings) Hero from DQ VIII never said a word. Heck, we never even get his name!

It's standard for jRPG's.

[OmniCloud]

Link never said a word, Crono never said a word(unless you get one of the secret endings) Hero from DQ VIII never said a word. Heck, we never even go his name!

It's standard for jRPG's.I am so waiting for Chrono to become a PS store download! Never got to finish it on PS...and Yes...Jrpg are "teh AWsoME!" lol...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Get an emulator and fire up the SNES version. Unless you're talking about CC, of course.

That's what I've done, but after playing it, I think I'll have to go eBay hunting for the PSX version of CT and CC.

[cliffbo]

how funny would it be if when the 360 died the ps2 was still selling better? LOL

shame on you for considering that possibility...

[Garfunkel]

an update of the hardware sales figures.... don't know if they're true

http://www.vgcharts.org/

X360- 7.90m
Wii- 3.54m
PS3- 1.21m

wow, looks like I was wrong on my estimates, look like only 1.25 million will be shipped by tomorrow, i predicted 1.4.

How on earth did they expect 2?