You need to do your research!

[LiquidEagle]

Hey all, Liquid here, and I wanted to have a good, hearty, educational conversation with the good folks on this board.

As you guys probably know, I work at an EB here in Orange County, and I've already expressed my dislike for the poorly informed people who come into run their mouths at people whom they think actually care about what BS they have to say. Last night I was working and this guy was looking at buying a PS3 (we had 2 in stock still), and then this dude came in with his son and talked him out of buying it by telling him there were all sorts of launch problems and all that jazz. Some of my coworkers will say the same things to customers and we'll have our respectful disagreements, and I know they aren't there to try & lie to people, but this guy was just completely spouting. After I noticed the potential PS3 buyer had left, the guy started talking about the same stuff to me, and I said, "Nah, I think people are really exaggerating it since they've been burned before with the 360's high failure rate or PS2's Disc Read Error stuff, so they're simply assuming it's going to be terrible. I haven't heard anything about high failure rates or even moderate failure rates among PS3s."

To this, he said "Dude! Look it up (he's basically telling me "Do your research" at this point, something I f***ing HATE to be told), people are filing class-action lawsuits against Sony and Microsoft for their faulty hardware!"

Hmm, first I've heard of that. I don't like to argue with people like this so I just kind of "ehhh..." 'ed out of the conversation. As if the gods of Olympus were timing it, one of my friends whom I had given my extra PS3 to called me and said he was having problems with the system software where when he holds the PS button and goes to his menu it won't let him press X or O to actually use the menu. I tried to troubleshoot it with him over the phone and we both came to the conclusion that it was a problem with the system software, but the loudmouth customer saw that I was trying to troubleshoot a PS3 problem and he instantly said, "See!? What'd I tell ya!" and left, so happy with himself I could've shot the bastard. (I was angry at the timing and the whole situation :laugh:)

Story aside, this is where the post comes in -- as somebody who considers himself very informed on the PS3, I want to know about any remotely widespread problems with the PS3 -- I don't want rumors, I don't want FUD, I want to know what's been reported and what Sony has to say/has said on the matter. Also, I'd love info and opinions from the esteemed members of this board to bolster not only my knowledge on the subject, but everybody else's as well, since this is a board about information above anything else about the PS3.

What I don't want is "M$ prolly bought their fandom LOLOLOLOL :laugh: :laugh: " or something like that -- this is a fact-finding endeavor, and rumors are only acceptable for debunking purposes please :)

Go! :-D

[Siraris]

The only widespread problem with the PS3 is that there aren't any good games for it right now. The online service could use some work as well.

I'm being serious, there are no problems whatsoever.

[Applefiend]

Personally if some guy tries to talk me out of some video game stuff I just say "F*** all that ****" and walk off. I'm quite rude. :)

Either that or just spout out the Wii/PS3/360 sucks arguments in agreement just for the conversation, just for the conversation. :) Familiar with all three kinds of BS. :)

Motorstorm and Resistance disagree about the good game thing.

[Lekko]

no, there is a widespread HUGE problem with all the PS3s most people see: the motorstorm demo in kiosks freezes.

I think that's where a LOT of miss-information comes from. The only PS3 a lot of people have seen is the one in a store that is frozen from that cursed demo. They really need to put out the new one into kiosks.. SONY! C'MON!

[gbovo]

The only widespread problem with the PS3 is that there aren't any good games for it right now. The online service could use some work as well.

I'm being serious, there are no problems whatsoever.

Insomniac would like to have a word with you.

In private.

[Garfunkel]

There is no major hardware issue at all, in fact i am quite pleasantly surprised by the supposed build quality of the machine, the ps2 and x360 were plagued by issues.

There are many issues with the fairly poor firmware however but these will be fixed within the coming months.

[Nameless]

Some quirky stuff with the Video and audio settings from day one, but that stuff was resolved with the first OS update some time ago...
(Sony has released multiple updates and it's only been a month... This is actually a good thing, because it took MS much longer to address issues...)

No major hardware issues only gripes from a software perspective and that comes with any launch console. I own both and honestly out the gate the PS3 is moving faster than the 360 by far...

[lips]

heh. makes you wonder why ms had so many issues. ps3 is practically all new technology (blu-ray, cell, xdr, redisgn on g70 rsx, 35gig fsb, not to mention 5 gig south bridge) hard to imagine things are as smooth as they are.

[Nameless]

^ Agreed it's actually amazing IMO...

*Knocking on wood*

[Danji Ikari]

I had this problem at some point on a 60GB PS3. It was easily fixed by restarting the system.

Kudos

[Nameless]

^ I guess you are referring to the muted game audio issue...
Fortunately the firmware updates made that a thing of the past. ;)

[liver_kick]

I've only had one problem so far... well more like an extremely odd occurrence. I loaded up Fight Night one time and the game was running at an extremely low framerate for some reason (I'm talking sub 20 fps). Not a stuttering framerate but like consistently slow, as if there was a frame limiter. It freaked me out good because I've never seen a console react like that before, almost like it was suddenly underclocked or something. Even the loading screen animation was going at a much slower rate. I rebooted and everything was fine. I really hope that was just a fluke... still baffles me what could have caused it.

Other than that it's run virtually flawlessly (knock on wood). No lock ups, stays relatively cool and quiet, etc. I haven't even experienced the Sixaxis spaz problem some people have complained about.

[RzrWire]

The only problem I've been reading about is how crappy PS2 games look when played on the PS3, but again like all things with the PS3 a firmware update will eventually fix this issue.

[Garfunkel]

^I wonder if those people having that issue are people using HD, because it would look like crap

[woundingchaney]

Outside of a few software situation I have experienced or heard of anything that would suggest I hardware failure rate (other than maybe a few kiosk systems going bad, but that doesnt determine anything).

[frosty]

Honestly, with Sony's track record, that is amazing news. I haven't heard one one single DRE yet!!!

[masteratt]

Resolution issues I think are big right now.

Sony's response: "fuck you! we are busy producing! we'll fix it in a few months you cry baby!"

I also heard the PSN downloads were slow.
Sony hasn't responded yet and don't think they ever will. I hope Europe servers will be better though.

[Garfunkel]

maybe the downloads are slow because Sony was hoping to use the server space at YDL that they contracted, but hasn't been brought online yet. Just a thought. It would be great if they go "downloads are powered by Yellow Dog Linux" I would get a kick out of that!

But yeah, i haven't heard of a single hardware failure on a mass level, which i was very much expecting with the type of tech in the ps3.

[Z]

I agree and say that I am also surprised by not only not seeing or hearing any hardware issues, but more so that I expected websites have already had articles on "major" PS3 problems and "extreme" issues ready before launch. they would just wait 2 days after launch to throw everything they had.

it is amazing to see how calm everything is. I am not following on Rev news post launch, but I think it shares PS3's hardware clean slate reports unanimously.

PS. I am sure there is a personal blog out there or something that claimed gloom and doom for everything beside their sorry selves, but I am discluding ass-'reports' here.

I am also very surprised by how fast Sony is updating and patching the firmware. it has only been about six weeks since launch and we already saw multiple updates.
very assuring developments for all PS3 customer.

[Applefiend]

Iit is amazing to see how calm everything is. I am not following on Rev news post launch, but I think it shares PS3's hardware clean slate reports unanimously.

Little business of straps breaking and Wiimote flying into your TV leaving a dent. :)

Admittedly with over excited people like this though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OMCwwTjvuM

With Wii it's expected because... Come on now, the only new thing is the Wiimote, the actual box is an upclocked Gamcube + extensions. PS3 is all hot new technology, you'd expect it to fail, but it didn't.

[Garfunkel]

^yeah but with gamers like that, people are bound to smash their wii, i've heard a few reports of kids being knocked unconscious and smacked in the head because of the active movement but it is a great way to play games. It's sad that it will end up leading to class action lawsuits against Ninty. They innovated and now their gonna get sued for it.

[Sephiroth_VII]

The strap issue has been fixed by Nintendo, they're recalling all Wiimote straps and replacing them with new, thicker ones.

All for the hefty price of 0.00$. Now that's costumer service!

[Garfunkel]

well ninty is not a money whore. ;)

[Slipphreake]

I think part of the reason why we aren't hearing about bad PS3's is because of how few there are. I think Sony just shipped as many good units as they could instead of shipping everything they had.

[Black Dragon37]

I am also very surprised by how fast Sony is updating and patching the firmware. it has only been about six weeks since launch and we already saw multiple updates.
very assuring developments for all PS3 customer.Considering that Sony are saving the best for PAL's March launch, frequent firmware updates aren't surprising. :)

[Z]

I am still amazed the click-crazed major sites didn't run bogus articles on it. I guess Sony was taking their legal watchdogs for a stroll for all to see in case any one had any fantasies. lol

I was waiting for the first wave of PS3s to go by before I got one to minimize any possibility of technical problems (and for the insane black market mark-up to cool down), but I don't have a reason to hold back anymore- except for me waiting on broadband or the price to get closer to the official amount. which ever comes first.

[Z]

I think part of the reason why we aren't hearing about bad PS3's is because of how few there are. I think Sony just shipped as many good units as they could instead of shipping everything they had.
PSP and PS2 were roughly close to PS3 number at launch and near-post-launch yet still there were reports of hardware problems everywhere- even though they were few, the gaming industry's prestigious media just loves to tabloid these things. pathetic.

[Ironlungz]

@liquideagle,

Regarding the customer that walked into your store making claims of the PS3 breakdown rate. The burden of proof lies with the claim...otherwise its just an opinion.

[Arnaud_M]

Well Liquid, here is the only confirmed bug I have seen on PS3. I read it on the Net, and it happens to me once: the on-screen keyboard for inputting text is buggy, and can sometimes completly freeze the system. In this case, reboot is the only option. It happens unfrequently, and I am sure a future firmware update will patch it. No other problem encountered, PS3 is a solid machine.

Arnaud

[F089/H]

The longer they wait...the longer we wait.

[kagai]

I would like to add my 2 cents on potential PS3 problems; however, I am PS3-less. Maybe, I will have one by my birthday (in about 3 months).

[julps31]

Nice thread. I don't think all the negativity comes from the buggy motorstorm demo tho. Common since would tell you that not all games will run smoothly...and not all kiosk will work indefinantly. I've seen this with the PS2 and x-box kiosk (games freezing and all that jazz lol). But anyway I was at walmart the other day and saw some guys watching the MotorStorm vid in awe lol (it was from the final Japanese build and looked amazing).

It made me smile lol. :)

[dockthepod]

The only problem I've had with mine is the F1 demo freezing up. That's happened twice now. Other than that, the thing is golden.

[Rizon]

Ever console has its problems. So what? Its new technology breaking out, they arnt going to get it right first time.

I was discussing this the other day with a few people, (one xbox fan boy who said i was a fool for wanting to buy a ps3 when it makes it way over here) and really, Sony have produced a really good console, maybe a bit too groundbreaking, but hell we havnt heard much going wrong with them, and if they have, the 1 yr warrenty takes care of most things, or a simple firmware update.
People hear things, and believe them unfortuantly. Most of these things are based on lies by people who cant be mature enough to accept another console because they wish to anally violate their chosen machine.

Also, for the record, more recently, i have been amazed by the Wii. Ninty have got a high reputation again i would say.

[Smokey]

when i get one ill tell ya :)

[frosty]

Resolution issues I think are big right now.

Sony's response: "fuck you! we are busy producing! we'll fix it in a few months you cry baby!"

I also heard the PSN downloads were slow.
Sony hasn't responded yet and don't think they ever will. I hope Europe servers will be better though.

That's going a bit far. I don't think there will be a single PS3 issue that will not ever get addressed somehow. Think about it, they want to sell another 100 million consoles or more. Do you think they are going to let bad press over an unfixed bug get in the way of that? I'm sure they are working as fast as they can to remedy all these little software issues. It's not like they can just come up with a fix overnight. They have to research the problem, and find the best solution, then code it into an update, and fnially then release it.

[PUNK em 733]

Quote:
Origionally posted by: gljvd
The ps3 shows me everything that is wrong with that company and everything right with ms and nintendo. Both of those companys innovate and now sony is left to just copy in half assed attemps .
Hopefully sony looses this gen and is forced to innovate next gen and nintendo and ms have profitable gens so tehy can stay in the game .
^lmao



HHHAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA....I'm surprised he was able to type that out with MS's and nintendo's balls in his mouth. Sorry I know this was off topic.

[Garfunkel]

IMHO, i think Sony did not worry about it's firmware to begin with as they knew that anyone who would buy a ps3 this early in it's life would be a fan of the playstation brand and would be fairly knowledgeable of the system, later on when all the mummies and daddies buy the systems and 5 year olds get to play it the firmware will be in a much more developed state.

[PUNK em 733]

IMHO, i think Sony did not worry about it's firmware to begin with as they knew that anyone who would buy a ps3 this early in it's life would be a fan of the playstation brand and would be fairly knowledgeable of the system, later on when all the mummies and daddies buy the systems and 5 year olds get to play it the firmware will be in a much more developed state.


+1 I think you are hitting that nail on the head.

[Red_Eyes]

No hardware problems. Any problems are usually software and firmware, which can and WILL BE FIX as soon as possible. Most of the issues are being fix weekly.

[vdo]

I remember a little bit back some posts about bluetooth connectivity from the controllers having a glitch every so often. But now I have not heard anything about that lately. Maybe a firmware update fixed this? Or maybe it is rare? Has anyone experienced this? (The posts would say that the game would be unresponsive to the controller for a second or two - so I think gamers were assuming it was a bluetooth problem, but I don't know if anyone definitively isolated that to be the cause).

[jaxmkii]

^^^ has anyone here had this problem? or can we right it off as FUD.

both my SixaxiS have been perfict from day one. in fact becides my DVI-D problem my PS3 has been flawless!

Edit: well that and the whole play a BR movie and lose sound ingames but... they patched that with in 3 days.

[vdo]

^^^ has anyone here had this problem? or can we right it off as FUD.

Just to clarify, I do not have a PS3 nor do I know of any firsthand experiences of this type of bluetooth glitch. So I don't want to be an agent of any FUD, if it is not true.

From what I know, there has never been any actual tests done by game mags to confirm any problem and since there has not been any news lately on it, it may have just been nothing.

I would think if this was a big enough problem, there would be more people complaining as it would be very annoying. This would affect far more people than the "T.V.s that don't accept 720p" issue (theoretically up to the amount of people who bought PS3s) and there are tons of posts over the "T.V.s that don't accept 720p" issue but hardly any about bluetooth (actually none lately, that I've seen), so I am thinking that the absence of any news on this means it is a non issue.

But I just wanted to bring it up just to see if anyone on this board ever experienced it (or thought they experienced it - I still think it would sometimes be difficult to know if the controller really lost contact or if it was a user/game glitch). I guess the more people that have never experienced it, the more evidence that this is not a problem.

[Garfunkel]

I have heard a few reports of that sixaxis issue but i've also heard the same kind of things for all wireless controllers, be they IR or bluetooth

It is not really the fault of anyone, it is just a limit to the tech, our world is beginning to be completely wireless so there are going to be lots of interference issues.

[FantasyGhost]

I had the same problem with the Wiimote, i just changed the batteries after only a week and now it's working fine again.

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=65789

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4

Also check Youtube for a few issues claimed by people.

[Garfunkel]

I think wounding has also experienced slight issues with the controller.

[Smokey]

I think wounding has also experienced slight issues with the controller.

and headset

[LiquidEagle]

Great to hear all these reportings and discussions guys. Sorry I've been very busy with family in town so I haven't been able to check up here, but I just read through all of it.

Since roughly 40% of our members/posters have PS3, it's good to hear that all of them are giving the same "thumbs up" I am. Did anybody try to look up info on potential PS3 failure rates or any reports? I'd google for it but I'm worried ridiculously mis-informed forums will be all that shows up :laugh:

One of my coworkers said there's a problem with the 20 GB version the other day, like they have a hardware flaw -- has anybody heard anything close to that? Let's knock these rumors down :)

Lastly, freakin' kudos to Sony -- they made the single most groundbreaking console (both to date and for its time -- nobody else pushes hardware like Sony IMO) and it's working fantastically. Knock them all you want for their hardware cuts, but they brought us a damn fine batch! :-D

[Smokey]

Lastly, freakin' kudos to Sony -- they made the single most groundbreaking console (both to date and for its time -- nobody else pushes hardware like Sony IMO) and it's working fantastically. Knock them all you want for their hardware cuts, but they brought us a damn fine batch!

...QFT liquid

[Garfunkel]

One of my coworkers said there's a problem with the 20 GB version the other day, like they have a hardware flaw -- has anybody heard anything close to that? Let's knock these rumors down :)

He might have made it up or found it in a really obscure place, i have heard of no such issues.

[Domination]

Hey all, Liquid here, and I wanted to have a good, hearty, educational conversation with the good folks on this board.

As you guys probably know, I work at an EB here in Orange County, and I've already expressed my dislike for the poorly informed people who come into run their mouths at people whom they think actually care about what BS they have to say. Last night I was working and this guy was looking at buying a PS3 (we had 2 in stock still), and then this dude came in with his son and talked him out of buying it by telling him there were all sorts of launch problems and all that jazz. Some of my coworkers will say the same things to customers and we'll have our respectful disagreements, and I know they aren't there to try & lie to people, but this guy was just completely spouting. After I noticed the potential PS3 buyer had left, the guy started talking about the same stuff to me, and I said, "Nah, I think people are really exaggerating it since they've been burned before with the 360's high failure rate or PS2's Disc Read Error stuff, so they're simply assuming it's going to be terrible. I haven't heard anything about high failure rates or even moderate failure rates among PS3s."

To this, he said "Dude! Look it up (he's basically telling me "Do your research" at this point, something I f***ing HATE to be told), people are filing class-action lawsuits against Sony and Microsoft for their faulty hardware!"

Hmm, first I've heard of that. I don't like to argue with people like this so I just kind of "ehhh..." 'ed out of the conversation. As if the gods of Olympus were timing it, one of my friends whom I had given my extra PS3 to called me and said he was having problems with the system software where when he holds the PS button and goes to his menu it won't let him press X or O to actually use the menu. I tried to troubleshoot it with him over the phone and we both came to the conclusion that it was a problem with the system software, but the loudmouth customer saw that I was trying to troubleshoot a PS3 problem and he instantly said, "See!? What'd I tell ya!" and left, so happy with himself I could've shot the bastard. (I was angry at the timing and the whole situation :laugh:)

Story aside, this is where the post comes in -- as somebody who considers himself very informed on the PS3, I want to know about any remotely widespread problems with the PS3 -- I don't want rumors, I don't want FUD, I want to know what's been reported and what Sony has to say/has said on the matter. Also, I'd love info and opinions from the esteemed members of this board to bolster not only my knowledge on the subject, but everybody else's as well, since this is a board about information above anything else about the PS3.

What I don't want is "M$ prolly bought their fandom LOLOLOLOL :laugh: :laugh: " or something like that -- this is a fact-finding endeavor, and rumors are only acceptable for debunking purposes please :)

Go! :-D

It's not a problem spearded across a large number of PS3s if even 1% of them, but it is a problem nevertheless. It has been proven that some PS3s may suffer some Blu Ray drive errors, which I will list below. I suspected this to be a small problem due to some car CD players suffering an extremely similar defect with myself having some experience behind this. It's rarely all that common but somewhat known across some front loaders, including little cute consoles like the Wii. ;) Thank goodness for year warranties.

1st defect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gUOE48UVeU)

2nd defect (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-loading-tray-hell-216858.php)

I got my PS3 Wednesday on the 27th of Dec., which seems to have taken a lot of my time these pass few days, and I must say that there is not a single problem wrong with the unit what so ever as far as hardware. But that goes without saying that I am still analysing a lot of its features and or inner workings, from what I can tell, only appearing as small niggles easily fixed through an upgrade. I personally feel that it's a well built machine, and if I may add, that feels expensive given the weight and appearance. All in all, it has great potential given a little time on the market.

[Z]

keep in mind that many that complain in stores and the likes do not or can not buy a PS3. one of the reasons to downplay something in real life is a simple psychology backup cushion since the person knows he can't get one. it like he or she wants to convince themselves or make the feel of missing out or loosing out a little less than what it could be.

to demonstrate this, tell anyone that is downplaying the PS3 is a store that you suddenly found one last PS3 unit and ask him if he wants it. the reaction will always prove very interesting. ;)

[gibmonster]

keep in mind that many that complain in stores and the likes do not or can not buy a PS3. one of the reasons to downplay something in real life is a simple psychology backup cushion since the person knows who can't get one. it like he or she wants to convince themselves or make the feel of missing out or loosing out a little less than what it could be.

to demonstrate this, tell anyone that is downplaying the PS3 is a store that you suddenly found one last PS3 unit and ask him if he wants it. the reaction will always prove very interesting. ;)

hehe. Have you tried that?

[Z]

It's not a problem spearded across a large number of PS3s if even 1% of them, but it is a problem nevertheless. It has been proven that some PS3s may suffer some Blu Ray drive errors, which I will list below. I suspected this to be a small problem due to some car CD players suffering an extremely similar defect with myself having some experience behind this. It's rarely all that common but somewhat known across some front loaders, including little cute consoles like the Wii. Thank goodness for year warranties.

1st defect

2nd defect

Domination, you know that incidents taped on video doesn't have much wight behind them. as any technician knows, any complex system is allowed a bug every now and then. Doctors say every human is allowed one epileptic attack. I had FF12 freeze on my a few days back. I never had a problem with it or any other PS2 function for a long time. in fact, every time a game freezes I tried hard to remember when was the last time a game froze on me. my brother also has a PS2 and we are chocking FF12. he never had a problem. both of us are clocking more than 90 hours of play each. in fact, I don't think I had a game issue since Hitman on Box many months ago. and I honestly can't remember when or what problem I had before that.

that is why I find it very strange that these mediocre sites aren't running PS3 defect 'reports' on all over the place since they can make a fuss about a devkit having something or flat out lie. but even then, it looks like you have to search to find a problem report. and when you do, it is an isolated personal incident that, in most of the times, user inflected.

[Z]

hehe. Have you tried that?
simple psychology 101.
you can experiment with the concept in a number of different scenarios around you. ;)

just be sure not to hurt anyone doing any experiment. psychological burns are the worst. seriously.

[Domination]

Domination, you know that incidents taped on video doesn't have much wight behind them. as any technical knows, any complex system is allowed a bug every now and then. Doctors say every human is allowed one epileptic attack. I had FF12 freeze on my a few days back. I never had a problem with it or any other PS2 function for a long time. in fact, every time a game freezes I tried hard to remember when was the last time a game froze on me. my brother also has a PS2 and we are chocking FF12. he never had a problem. both of us are clocking more than 90 hours of play each. in fact, I don't think I had a game issue since Hitman on Box many months ago. and I honestly can't remember when or what problem I had before that.

that is why I find it very strange that these mediocre sites aren't running PS3 defect 'reports' on all over the place since they can make a fuss about a devkit having something or flat out lie. but even then, it looks like you have to search to find a problem report. and when you do, it is an isolated personal incident that, in most of the times, user inflected.

If you have to search for defects for the amount of units shipped, then that should tell you about the quality. This seems to be the case with the PS3. The defects are very few and between, but there are defects out there. This should not be ignored. But the chances of you picking up one are very low.

Let me also add that one of these units were from a launch version.

[Z]

If you have to search for defects for the amount of units shipped, then that should tell you about the quality. This seems to be the case with the PS3. The defects are very few and between, but there are defects out there. This should not be ignored. But the chances of you picking up one are very low.

Let me also add that one of these units were from a launch version.

of course. I agree whole heartedly. tis the nature of brand new sophisticated electronics after all. in fact, tis the nature of most multi-functional electronics- let alone sophisticated.

with PS3 specifically, the number of issues is low to a digree that it doesn't seem to be a matter of concern to the overwhelming majority. it seems it is even much less than the cation level associated with new console launches.
for example, if I decide to get an X2, it has to be a model after the coming revision. I know there is a small chance that I would end up with a problem if I get one now, but the chance has been occurring to a degree that is worrying to me. with PS3, I don't feel worried at all. keep in mind that do to where I live, I practically have no insurance, guarantee, tech-supports or any other backup plans for any issue I may face till at least the system officially releases here in March (or so they say).

I also had to convince the shop and let me go through 3 PSPs to make absolutely sure I don't have a defected unit because I was reading all these reports of dead pixels, square button coming out, nob buttons falling, etc. I didn't find a problem with any of the units I handled, but I went through them because I wanted to find a problem. my US launch PSP is still with me and going stronger than ever.

and to reiterate my whole point of this; I am pleasantly surprised that sites and even forums in general haven't been making an outcry over PS3 issues if any at all aside from the initial upscaling thing. remember all the photoshops and humor made about PSP defects before it even launched? remember the circus X2 had for months after it launched? I don't see any of that for PS3 nor for Rev. and especially with the first for many reasons, I find that impressive.