PS3...everywhere

[Crosman]

I walked into target yesterday just to snooze around and happened to notice five PS3's on the shelf. I asked one of the workers there how well PS3 was selling recently.

He replied.... We have 40 more in the back...worst system ever.

I was really, really thinking of getting a PS3 at launch but it seems like Sony might drop the prices sooner then later...for their own sake.:dollars:

[speed stick]

Don't worry about a price drop. If you want the PS3 just get it. If it does drop it won't be much to make it worth it.

[gljvd]

this is being reported much more often now . I guess the 500-600$ price point is just to much.

Esp since i heard it was only 15% at the 500$ price point .

I'm going to assume that if the 360 was selling 200k-250k a month outside of holiday seasons with a 300-400 price point with 20% being at 300 . The ps3 will most likely sell less at the higher price points .

For sony this could be a very bad thing as the 360 has a ton of great titles coming out q1 and q2 of this year which may be enough to keep ms's sales above 250k a month in the usa while sony may be under that , simply widening the gap between the two systems .


of course ms at the $250 range will be in the best spot

[koten]

I'll investigate this more on my own, but I find it to be rather interesting. I know the PS3's pricepoint is going to cause problems, but I never imagend it would be at this scale.

[Boggy700]

It seems that Sony can only sell consoles when they don't have any.

[venomv]

I have only seen 3 PS3 since November, so it isn't the same everywhere. Unfortunatly, now I can't afford one, lol.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

i see them all the time too. i wont be getting one for probably about 4-5 years.

i guess people dont realize its a great deal considering its a blu-ray player... or they dont want to get it yet because blu-ray isnt mainstream... or something.

[gljvd]

well we just went through a shipment (5 ) in 1 week . Slowest time so far . They aren't moving like they used too . The wiis still sell like crazy and the 360s move okay

[homelesscarl]

Buying a PS3 = Waste of time and cash

[Matt]

Jesus, will you guys ever give it a rest?

[gljvd]

what ? we aren't the only ones saying it

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=787854
IDC says sales "not good": over 300K PS3s on retail shelves collecting dust

Lots of people including sony like to compare the sales to xbox 360s sales in 2005. What people need to understand is ms has continued to sell 360s and that 2006 holiday should be compared to the ps3s 2006 launch . Its the benfit of coming first. Ms already shipped its first 10m units and has sold through 4.5m + in the usa . What it did in 2005 doesn't matter anymore . Publishers and developers will look at current sales to decided on thier platform of choice and future sales .

[Matt]

Surely both launches should be compared? Because the launch of a console and the sale of a console that has been out for a year is comparing two different situations?

I love how everybody has said it's failing after being out for what, 2 months? It hasn't been released worldwide, and it's already sold over a million. We've also got the market over in Japan, where PS2's outsell 360's. That's really going to help the 360 out later on.

I don't like to take a particular side, but all this bashing, especially from you, pisses me off.

[gljvd]

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20745&hed=PS3+Sales+Could+Fall+Short here are some japanese anylasts saying it .

Also why should they be compared ?

For publishers and developers who are targeting fall 2007 . What does xbox 360s sales in 2005 matter ?

All they know is that since the ps3 launch the 360 has continued to extend its lead .

They will look at the forcasted amount of units both ms and ps3 claim to have shipped and what the sell through amount is at that time . and pick the format that suits their needs .

don't like to take a particular side, but all this bashing, especially from you, pisses me off.

Since when is posting news and articles bashing ? I can understand if i said omg the ps3 is doomed i've seen one on shelves. But i'm far from the only one saying this . Articles are poping up almost every day .

[Matt]

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20745&hed=PS3+Sales+Could+Fall+Short here are some japanese anylasts saying it .

That's the opinion of an analyst, so that can be ignored really.....

Also why should they be compared ?

For publishers and developers who are targeting fall 2007 . What does xbox 360s sales in 2005 matter ?

All they know is that since the ps3 launch the 360 has continued to extend its lead .

Seeing as the 360 has been out longer, there are more games to choose from. Console launches are never that great, so you can hardly compare the launch figures for one console with the figures for the 360 after it's been out for a year or so.

They will look at the forcasted amount of units both ms and ps3 claim to have shipped and what the sell through amount is at that time . and pick the format that suits their needs .

That's a retarded approach. "Oh lets just go for the one that's doing well now."

So if the PS3 starts to outsell the 360 and Wii, that means they're both screwed then, right?

The fact that the PS2 sold a bucketload didn't stop the developers producing games for the Xbox and GameCube, so why are sales figures going to make such a damn difference now?

Since when is posting news and articles bashing ? I can understand if i said omg the ps3 is doomed i've seen one on shelves. But i'm far from the only one saying this . Articles are poping up almost every day .

As I said a moment ago, the opinion of an analyst really has no standing. Also, if I remember rightly, you've been banned from the PS3 section, right? You've obviously done something to warrant that.....

[Fats]

Matt, arguing with gljvd is a massive waste of time so I wouldn't bother. To apply this situation to everywhere in America is pretty silly, so as such, I'm going to give it time to see how successful it really is.

[gljvd]

That's the opinion of an analyst, so that can be ignored really.....


So what shouldn't be ignored ? I can post more from anylasts and from others

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20745&hed=PS3+Sales+Could+Fall+Short
here is another

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070108-8574.html
thats a tech site

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/07/gamestop-pulls-out-creative-stops-to-move-ps3s/#comments

here is some gamestop claiming they arne't moving fast

then there have been reports of units (and pictures of it ) of piles of them sitting on best buys .

I think its safe to say they aren't moving as quickly as some might have thought .


Seeing as the 360 has been out longer, there are more games to choose from. Console launches are never that great, so you can hardly compare the launch figures for one console with the figures for the 360 after it's been out for a year or so.


Huh ? This has nothign to do with what we are talking about . The 360 has been out longer and has sold more games.

If you were a dev and had to target a platform for a launch date of fall 2007 . Looking at sales of the ps3 , xbox and forcasted shipments which would u pick to maximize your profit ?

The 360 that has sold over 7.5m units and is forcasted to hit 13m + by march in shipments or the ps3 that has sold less than 1.5m and is forcasted to ship 4.5-6m (with 6m in doubt as they missed thier 2m and 4 million markts for 06' ) .

That is why looking at launches doesn't matter . Because its a dumb metric. No dev looked at the xbox 1 shipped numbers compared to the ps2 shipped numbers at launch and said wow the xbox did better lets all shift out dev support to that . They looked at how many ps2s there were out in the wild and how the ps2 was continuing to extend its installed base faster than the xbox could catch up .


As I said a moment ago, the opinion of an analyst really has no standing. Also, if I remember rightly, you've been banned from the PS3 section, right? You've obviously done something to warrant that.....



Oh big man . Perhaps i just upset a bunch of fanboys in that forum ? I mean we are talking about the forum that believed up till launch that the rsx had to be something special and based on the g80 .

[dork]

i've been to several stores over the weekend and all of them were stocked with playstation3. :ohno:

[Dorbin]

Let's make sure to keep the discussion here civil.

...

I haven't checked stores recently but I've seen photos of various stores with no Wiis but several PS3s, for whatever that is worth. While the Wii is definitely kicking butt, the PS3 is still managing to sell through decently.

[gljvd]

no one says they aren't selling . just that they aren't selling as fast as predicted.

It gets annoying when someone says hey lets not believe news articles , anylasts and others and just pretend its moving quickly.

Where is the proof that it is moving quickly ? I see tons of stuff saying it isn't moving quickly .

[Crosman]

Like gljvd said, PS3 is selling very slowly, get over it.

As many predicted, these next four years belong to Nintendo and Microsoft when it comes to sales.

It's not to hard to figure out why sony is failing, prices, launch titles, rip off controllers etc.

Im not bashing Sony but even a gaming fan like me would admit that my company was failing. For instance, Nintendo Gamecube.....A few good games which Microsoft and Sony smashed in the long run.

[Viper]

I was just going to say that.

While a few anecdotal reports are in no way 100% indicative of the sales pacing of all retail outlets in the US, we are hearing far more reports of stock piling in stores than we are hearing of rampant sales.

With EB suddenly offering a $100.00 discount off the price of a PS3 with a PS2 buyback program, that merely helps substantiate the reports of units not selling.



One thing some of you guys need to learn is to frikkin deal with it. Shit isn't rosy 24/7. The PSP proved that not everything Sony ships out dominates. Learn to accept that Sony isn't invincible. I'm a Nintendo fan and had to learn that kind of humility long ago just as you guys are now.

The sooner you accept it, the sooner the numbers no longer give fanboys any fuel. Think about it this way, when was the last time a Sony fanboy said, "Haha, PS2 outsold GC last month"? Long ago because it longer had any affect on GC fans as they simply learned to accept the state of sales as they are.

[gljvd]

With EB suddenly offering a $100.00 discount off the price of a PS3 with a PS2 buyback program, that merely helps substantiate the reports of units not selling.

Gamestop is offering this also .

Just as a refrence we did the 80$ for the xbox 360 but that didn't start till april / june (don't remember the exact date )


The main problem is that after the holiday most people are in debt and are paying off holdiay bills and simply don't have the cash for a 500-600$ unit . Then we go into the summer months where people arne't sitting home playing video games , they are for the most part enjoying the weather and having a good time .

I believe that the ps3 for this year will track (in na ) below the 360's first year. Most likely 150-200k units a month considering its price . I'm guessing the 360 will most likely do 200-300k a month which is slightly higher than last year.

Looking at software line up the exclusive / only on 360 pc games are much higher on the 360 this year . The 360 will most likely see a price drop in the spring also .

I have no clue what the wii will do . Its in the best spot as 250$ with a game is a pretty good mass market price and more people can afford to drop that much on a console in the comming months . However its lack of decent software (its all just mini games from what i can tell ) might hamper it after the people who wanted one for the ohlidays finaly get one .


At some point you guys will come to understand that for the consumer this is a good thing . You will have 3 players with close to equal market share doing everything they can to get more . You will have faster price cuts , more funding for exclusives , more multi platform aaa games that everyone can enjoy and devs just trying to get every little last bit of power out of the systems. You will also have 3 companys throwing everything they got into thier next systems to try and get the market share advantage next time around .


If it makes sony fans feel better , with japan basicly a dead market for ms ( i'm guessing 2m is a far out there goal for them ) sony will be able to catch up in world wide sales quickly . Unless the wii is able to stunt its growth .

[TheGreenElf]

^EB and Gamestop are merged, so I figured that was obvious. :)

But people say "The Blu-Ray player is a great deal alone".

First, I buy a console mainly for games. So while it may be a cheap HD movie device, it's an expensive game machine.

Blu-Ray is unproven and may lose to HD-DVD, and personally, I don't want to start buying a bunch of movies in High Def because all my favorites I either own on DVD or don't care enough to purchase...and I don't want to buy movies that will be considered the new betamax or minidisk in 3-4 years.

A lot more games will move to 360 and PS3 because the costs of developing a game are just becoming far too high. So if games like MGS4 and DMC4 make it to 360, PS3 will be in trouble.

[koten]

what ? we aren't the only ones saying it

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=787854
IDC says sales "not good": over 300K PS3s on retail shelves collecting dust

Lots of people including sony like to compare the sales to xbox 360s sales in 2005. What people need to understand is ms has continued to sell 360s and that 2006 holiday should be compared to the ps3s 2006 launch . Its the benfit of coming first. Ms already shipped its first 10m units and has sold through 4.5m + in the usa . What it did in 2005 doesn't matter anymore . Publishers and developers will look at current sales to decided on thier platform of choice and future sales .In responce to that article, I find it inetersting that one of the strongest contenders for game of the year, God of War II, will be a PS2 exclusive.

There are also a lot more big name titles that will be hitting the PS2. How will the continued strength of the PS2 affect it's successor?

[Matt]

One thing some of you guys need to learn is to frikkin deal with it. Shit isn't rosy 24/7. The PSP proved that not everything Sony ships out dominates. Learn to accept that Sony isn't invincible. I'm a Nintendo fan and had to learn that kind of humility long ago just as you guys are now.

The sooner you accept it, the sooner the numbers no longer give fanboys any fuel. Think about it this way, when was the last time a Sony fanboy said, "Haha, PS2 outsold GC last month"? Long ago because it longer had any affect on GC fans as they simply learned to accept the state of sales as they are.

I accept the fact that it's not selling that great, it's just tiring having to read an article about it every five minutes.

[gljvd]

In responce to that article, I find it inetersting that one of the strongest contenders for game of the year, God of War II, will be a PS2 exclusive.

There are also a lot more big name titles that will be hitting the PS2. How will the continued strength of the PS2 affect it's successor?

IT could hurt it alot actually .

Lots of people say that you can play all the psone and ps2 games on the ps3 so thus God of War 2 is exlusive on the ps3. What they forget is you can play it on a system 100m + own or can buy said system that plays all the ps2 and psone games for 130$ .

This will affect the ps3 sales as more people can wait on buying the unit as better games comes out on the ps2.


Also looking at the first 2 quarters for the 360 i see

Guitar hero 2 , Mass effect , Froza 2 , Bioshock , lost planet , Crackdown , halo 3 beta ( not a game but will be huge none the less as alot of halo 2 players waiting for halo 3 will jump on board) shadow run , two worlds , blue dragon .

I think this compares more than favorably against Heavenly sword and motorstorm in the west .



Where the 360 had the luxury of being the only next gen system out last year when it got its crappy ports and unfinished games etc... The ps3 has to go up against a solid 360 line up and future exclusive releases .

[pari]

Where the 360 had the luxury of being the only next gen system out last year when it got its crappy ports and unfinished games etc... The ps3 has to go up against a solid 360 line up and future exclusive releases .

Definitely True, 360 had the luxury which PS3 does not have. 360 has solid line up/future release, does PS3 lack solid line up and future release? PS3/playstation success this time depends upon Sony's first party games. If PS3 can release solid first party games, then its a fair fight between 360 & PS3. This can be remnant of Genesis/SNES

[gljvd]

Its not a matter of if sony's first party can release solid games. As we know they can. It matters when they can release them and how many can they release ?

On another note Sony announced they shipped 2m units as of today the 16th . However this was their original launch amounts . They are now 2 months behind where they wanted to be. Whats more is the fact that sony's shipped / sold means leaving the factorys (ms uses sold to retailers and i think nintendo uses the same as ms ) So these units coudl be a few more weeks in tranist before they are avalible for sale .

I really don't see them hitting more than 4m or so by march evne with a europe launch. I don't really know where they are going to sell them all as japan is holding steady at 70kish a week which equals 280k a month. Between now and march (thier end of fiscal year) they want to ship 6m . Meaning with the currently monthly sales they will only hit 840k in japan sold through over the current 600k (i think this is right) 1.44m or so would be sodl there.

That means they have to sell another 4.5m units between NA and Europe in 3 months ( if europe is released before the end of fiscal year) I don't see this happening. I really don't . I think 4m is what we will see. Making that many unit to sit on shelves at the current losses tehy are taking .

[Crosman]

I really honestly would like to know how Sony actually thought that people could dish out so much money for a gaming system.

I thought Microsoft was pushing it. Microsoft did deliver the goods which made my $400 worth it. I don't think Sony can pull off the miracle of selling the 4.5m units within 3 months.

Devil May Cry, FF and God of War may be some of the key factors for Sony's sell rate, they wold have to drop some of these titles to possibly achieve the 4.5m. God of War 2 being PS2 exclusive doesn't help the PS3 very much.

[Fats]

Crosman, it really is too early to tell. The PS3 is selling well, just check the December figures.

[masteratt]

PS3 is the same as PS2 but better. NOTHING can stop a genuinely well made product like that.
Not all the media FUD, not the cash Microsoft has and definitely not the price point set for the product.

The only thing we are waiting is for Sony to show PS3's capabilities. GT:HD was a great way of highlighting it's Online capabilities, Resistance was an early teaser of the fact that Blu-Ray is necessary for next-gen quality gaming with good length and etc.
It's just a waiting game now, nothing else.

There is absolutely no reason why Sony should fail with the brand name + the already impressive line-up of games coming soon, it's the same success story of the PS2. Maybe even better since PS brand is better known now + the growth of the gaming market.

[Coded-Dude]

As many predicted, these next four years belong to Nintendo and Microsoft when it comes to sales.


*Bets life savings on said prediciton since its true and all.......*

Once its been out for an enitre year and been on shelfs worldwide, we can start to talk abotu whether oor not is "failing."
Until then - everything saying so is ignorant/stupid fanboyism.

There will definitely be 4-6 million PS3's in HOME's this year. Thats a good forecast for game devs.
I don't think anybody is tyring to argue its doing BETTER than 360 is "right now."
But, again.....to say its failing is simply put; ignorance or stupidity - you decide.

[gljvd]

PS3 is the same as PS2 but better. NOTHING can stop a genuinely well made product like that.
Not all the media FUD, not the cash Microsoft has and definitely not the price point set for the product.



The wii and xbox 360 are also well made , but cheaper and the 360 has a larger library and more exclusives this year and next .


The only thing we are waiting is for Sony to show PS3's capabilities. GT:HD was a great way of highlighting it's Online capabilities, Resistance was an early teaser of the fact that Blu-Ray is necessary for next-gen quality gaming with good length and etc.
It's just a waiting game now, nothing else.


The wi and 360 have online capablitys . The 360s are 4 years in the makingand have many more features than psn .

Resistance is hardly a showcase for bluray . There are games like oblivion on dvd that last 200 + hours on the single player mode. a 18 hour game doesn't show then need for bluray .

There is absolutely no reason why Sony should fail with the brand name + the already impressive line-up of games coming soon, it's the same success story of the PS2. Maybe even better since PS brand is better known now + the growth of the gaming market.


I don't remember walking into a bestbuy 2 months after the ps2 launch and having best buy employees walking around telling us they had ps3s in stock (100 of them to be exact yesterday when i got mummy returns hd dvd ) nor do I recall gamestops having ps2s sitting in the back nor offering 100$ trade in credit on psone systems towards the next gen version .

Unlike the ps2 , the ps3 has to go up against the established xbox 360 with a large line up of value titles , new titles , arcade classics , video downloads and other high def content . The wii which is a huge fad with zelda (that the nintendo rep told us had a 80% attach rate)

What does the ps3 have between now and summer to drive the sales in the slowest quarter of the year ?

It has two new ips . Motorstorm which is a rally title which is fun , but who knows if it will be a system seller . They also have HS which the last game from the studio wasn't the greatest and we haven't seen it since tgs which was an e3 build. So who knows when it will come out and who knows if it will be a system seller.

At the end of the year they have MGS4 . Do they have any other big titles ? Aside from that , what if mgs4 slips like the dev guy said it could at tgs ? What will they have that will compete against mario and halo 3 ?

To me it looks like all the great playstation games (That are left exclusive ) start coming in 2008 . I think thats why we see the sales slowing down and why they aren't hard to find .

IN the usa a 500$ system plus a game plus tax and your at $600 , the 600$ unit bumps up to 700$ . Its alot to spend when the great games look to be a year off .

This is what the 360 faced its first year and sony isn't any diffrent

[Viper]

Nov 2001 - 920,000
Dec 2001 - 1,940,000

Those were the PS2 sales figures one year after launch. Can Sony match or best that this time? PS2 the Xbox and GC launches to deal with at that time. PS3 will have X360 and Wii with a year or two worth of establishment.

They have a tougher fight this round.

[TheGreenElf]

Resistance was an early teaser of the fact that Blu-Ray is necessary for next-gen quality gaming with good length and etc.

I've not played a single game yet too large or complicated that if need be, would be impossible to spread to multiple discs.

I think Sony messed this one up and tried too hard to just be "more powerful than MS". That isn't what people really want, and that also allowed Nintendo to get a firm footing back in the market so far. Time will ultimately tell, but I can't see PS3 even close to reaching 50mil sold this time around.

[gljvd]

Nov 2001 - 920,000
Dec 2001 - 1,940,000

Those were the PS2 sales figures one year after launch. Can Sony match or best that this time? PS2 the Xbox and GC launches to deal with at that time. PS3 will have X360 and Wii with a year or two worth of establishment.

They have a tougher fight this round.

Of course . They were 12m + units in the lead by the time the xbox 1 launched. They are now (by shipment numbers) over 8.4m behind ms and 2m behind nintendo

I've not played a single game yet too large or complicated that if need be, would be impossible to spread to multiple discs.


thats another god point . in linear games which make up about 90% of the games on the market they can be put on mult discs . Now some say well blruay doesn't have to do this and thats true. But in the end the consumer wont care esp not after a decade or so of being told that the multi disc dvd releases were the better version. They equate more discs with higher value . This will surely start to change. But it didn't bother people years ago with the psone FF games and it wont bother people now .

A game like gears of war 2 can have single player + co-op on one disc and online play on a second disc . The cost of both discs will be much less than a single bluray disc for many years to come.

Also the reviews of blue dragon don't slam the game for using 3 discs . Over a 40 hour game changing a disc 3 times is nothing .

There will be games like gta that can't use more than 1 disc , however the system ram will become a bottle neck faster than disc space for art assests

With only 512 megs of ram and 64-96megs used up for the os and then more used up for whatever data the cpu needs i can't imagine having more than 384megs (at the most ) on the ps3 for textures .

I think Sony messed this one up and tried too hard to just be "more powerful than MS". That isn't what people really want, and that also allowed Nintendo to get a firm footing back in the market so far. Time will ultimately tell, but I can't see PS3 even close to reaching 50mil sold this time around.


world wide i think it will , most likely hit around 75m . I think ms will be in the high 40s to 50m units sold and nintendo will be close to that . The only thing i can see changing sony from being the market leader is if another 1 or 2 big franchises goes multi or jumps ship completely .

[Pro A.]

I work at Target, and I have not seen any demand in the past two, three weeks for the PS3. People aren't asking about the system, and I work there quite a bit. It's not terribly surprising, though. The initial buyers bought the system to make money, nothing more. Now that the resale price has tanked, we're left with a system that looks very nice but is quite shallow in the library. I am confident, however, that the system will start to get the gears going sooner or later because they'll have a pretty good array of exclusive titles. I am curious, however, what their killer title will be. For the PS-X it was FFVII. For the PS2, it was GTAIII. I love MGS, but I just don't see MGS4 inducing that level of sales. Not on the level Halo 3 is going to spark, anyways.

[venomv]

It kind of ironic the one good game (in most peoples eyes, and minus downloadables) is an FPS on a system who's fans tend to despise FPS's. And that cannot be helping anything.

[The Dude]

I also work at Target and we have had them in stock the last 3 weeks but no one is buying them.

[Viper]

After some hefty research....OK, a few quick phones calls. Here is what I was told.

Wal-Mart:
PS3 - 0
Wii - 0


Target:
PS3 - Yes, no number
Wii - 0


Best Buy:
PS3 - Yes, no number
Wii - 0 with next shipment arriving on the 21st


Circuit City:
PS3 - Yes, no number
Wii - 0

EB/Gamestop:
PS3 - 6 to 8 or 68 (didn't hear him clearly)
Wii - 0


The overall consensus is that PS3's are in stock and piling up while Nintendo is not shipping enough Wii's.

[Khaos]

Since I am vacationing to America currently, I thought I'd find out if there was a stocking up as the rumors say.

GameStop and Babbage's and EBGames here all said they have PS3's, though, as with Viper, they did not give a number.

The BestBuy here has 71 PS3 60Gb units!

And all three are sold out of Wii's.

It doesn't look good currently for Sony if this trend continues.

[Viper]

So then the EB/Gamestop guy may have said 68 and not 6 or 8?

[koten]

Since I am vacationing to America currently, I thought I'd find out if there was a stocking up as the rumors say.

GameStop and Babbage's and EBGames here all said they have PS3's, though, as with Viper, they did not give a number.

The BestBuy here has 71 PS3 60Gb units!

And all three are sold out of Wii's.

It doesn't look good currently for Sony if this trend continues.They still have Babbage's in your area?

[Coded-Dude]

So then the EB/Gamestop guy may have said 68 and not 6 or 8?

I have trouble believing ANY gamestop/eb games would get that many units at time.......
I'm pretty certain it's 6 to 8(not 68).

[Viper]

While I agree with you hence why I put both, it doesn't have to be from just one shipment as we've been reading that some are sitting for weeks.

Still most likely of the two is 6 to 8.

[Chris]

My local Best Buy had 62 PS3s yesterday when I was there.

[masteratt]

With like two games being available on PS3 that you can't get on X360, the obvious response is DUH.

Who the hell (non-hardcore fans excluded) would buy a $600 X360 with Blu-ray? Because that's what PS3 is at the moment.

By the way, was this how the PS2 launch was as well (i am not being clever I am actually asking)?

[OmniCloud]

With like two games being available on PS3 that you can't get on X360, the obvious response is DUH.

Who the hell (non-hardcore fans excluded) would buy a $600 X360 with Blu-ray? Because that's what PS3 is at the moment.

By the way, was this how the PS2 launch was as well (i am not being clever I am actually asking)?I second that "duh" I don't see why this thread is even this long:huh:

When big games for PS3 come out, and there's still stock piling then we can have these "Sony's in trouble discussions" if ya ask me.

bottom line...there's still two many exclusives for PS3 for it to be "worst console ever". until that changes, Sony is in a great position with all three of it's hardware...

btw-PS2's launch wasn't like this at all. It was about as rare as X360 after it's initial launch. Dreamcast had superior software when it was released however, but things slowly, then quickly changed dramatically after it's first year out. Early hits were VF4, Jak and Daxter, GTA3, MGS2, and FFX that started to really pull it away from the competition...

[D3adcell]

I second that "duh" I don't see why this thread is even this long:huh:

When big games for PS3 come out, and there's still stock piling then we can have these "Sony's in trouble discussions" if ya ask me.

bottom line...there's still two many exclusives for PS3 for it to be "worst console ever". until that changes, Sony is in a great position with all three of it's hardware...

btw-PS2's launch wasn't like this at all. It was about as rare as X360 after it's initial launch. Dreamcast had superior software when it was released however, but things slowly, then quickly changed dramatically after it's first year out. Early hits were VF4, Jak and Daxter, GTA3, MGS2, and FFX that started to really pull it away from the competition...

But the ps2 had crappy launch titles aswell (i think is what he's asking). SSX was the big title when it launched and that is an EA game. I got my ps2 a little after launch and had to wait for ICO, GTA3, Red Faction, and FFX before anything good started coming out. Was probably a year after launch or close.

[gljvd]

When big games for PS3 come out, and there's still stock piling then we can have these "Sony's in trouble discussions" if ya ask me.



This is why they are in trouble. When do the system sellers come out ? Best guess for me is we will have 1 in 2007 mgs4 unless its delayed .

So untill mgs 4 comes out there is no proven ip that is a system seller and while there are some games that can spur some intrest like HS and Motorstorm there are even more games that can spur intrest on the 360 .


If the ps3 doesn't start selling fast untill fall and leading up to fall it tracks lower than the 360s first year sony is in deep shit . I'm sorry but MGS4 is no Halo 3 . I just don't see the ps3 outselling the xbox 360 month to month in the states till after 2007

But the ps2 had crappy launch titles aswell (i think is what he's asking). SSX was the big title when it launched and that is an EA game. I got my ps2 a little after launch and had to wait for ICO, GTA3, Red Faction, and FFX before anything good started coming out. Was probably a year after launch or close.



The ps2 was like the 360 of this generation. It had nothing to go up against during its drought.

The ps2 also had the advantage of being only $300 and a dvd player .

Dvd was a much bigger asset than bluray is now . Dvd was launched in 97 and had picked up alot of steam by 2000 it already had hundreds of titles out and dvd players were already at $300 or so (some cheaper but they were also just cheap) so people could jump into dvd and wait on games .

[gljvd]

Taken from NeoGaf

DSlite: 110k
Wii: 96k
PSP: 45k
PS3: 34k
PS2: 24k
360: 9k

apparently last weeks japanese numbers.

we might see a ds vs psp again in japan .

[TheGreenElf]

With recent rumors of Capcom being bought out by MS (which I don't believe but isn't impossible) and the rumors of MGS4 making it's way to 360, what does the PS3 have anymore? No MGS4 exclusives, no DMC4 (at all if the rumor were true), GTA will probably be on the 360, Assassin's Creed on both, Resident Evil on both (or again only 360), and Square-Enix stating they want to spread their games around to all consoles this time...well...Sony really wouldn't have much in terms of system sellers other than GT...

[gljvd]

well re5 and gta are on both systems already on the same day.

DMC4 can still come to the 360 , it capcom doesn't have to be bought. MGS4 can also hit the xbox 360.

At this rate of selling they are moving about 100-150k a month in japan they will just break another 1.5 m in japan this year . If the us tracks just as low then they are in serious trouble .

[koten]

With recent rumors of Capcom being bought out by MS (which I don't believe but isn't impossible) and the rumors of MGS4 making it's way to 360, what does the PS3 have anymore? No MGS4 exclusives, no DMC4 (at all if the rumor were true), GTA will probably be on the 360, Assassin's Creed on both, Resident Evil on both (or again only 360), and Square-Enix stating they want to spread their games around to all consoles this time...well...Sony really wouldn't have much in terms of system sellers other than GT...Please... where do such ridiculous rumors start?

Is it cause Capcom is showing more support for the 360 than the PS3?

[venomv]

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7772724&publicUserId=5367991

I'm not gonna vouch for the validity, but here we go....

Capcom loves Microsoft and well Microsoft REALLY loves Capcom

This a big one but is coming from some solid sources. I've seen this is a couple of places and seems to keep coming up. People have said for MS to really win over the Japanese gamer it would need to out right buy either Konami, Square or Capcom...well guess who's buying Capcom. Word is from several independent sources that Microsoft has all but completed the purchase of Capcom. You can imagine what this will mean. Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Megaman, and the rest all exclusive to the Xbox 360. Microsoft has seen that Capcoms babies have been the biggest sellers on the 360, and maybe their going for something crazy. Is this true? Who know's but it coming from several places...if true, the whole gaming battlefield just got crazy.

[koten]

Please... that's from 1up... it's hardly credible.

[frosty]

^I have a hard time believing that. Capcom isn't in need of buying, and they stand to make more $ as an independant studio.


This is why they are in trouble. When do the system sellers come out ? Best guess for me is we will have 1 in 2007 mgs4 unless its delayed .

Releasing in 2007:

FF13
White Knight Story
DMC4
Killzone
Motorstorm
Heavenly Sword
Lair
MGS4
GTA4 (yes, multiplatform with exclusive content, I know, but still a system seller none the less)
Oblivion (also with new content and a rumored native 1080p res)
Resistance


Those are the heavy hitters I was able to come up with from memory releasing this year.



And I'd hardly consider capturing 1/9 of 360's year long head start and 1/4 of Xbox live's 5 year long headstart of 2 million members in 2 months being in trouble. This is why there have been so many MS execs talking trash about Sony to the media. They feel the threat. Notice Sony isn't saying much right now about their competition... they know they don't need to. They're confident in their position. They've managed to sell almost 3/4 of the units they have out on the shelf, despite being the most expensive console and going through the after-holiday sales drought. They're far from doing bad. Sony knew they would have this after Christmas lull in sales, which is why there aren't any heavy hitters coming out until march. It wouldn't be a good idea to drop a blockbuster title right after people just finished blowing all their money on Christmas. So, they wait a couple months for people to recover and then drop HS and Motorstorm in addition to launching in EU. That alone will boost sales dramatically, and Sony knows it. They're just sitting back waiting.

[venomv]

Please... that's from 1up... it's hardly credible.

Hey...You asked, lol. For the record, I highly doubt it is gonna happen, but we all know MS has a very fat wallet.

[D3adcell]

And I'd hardly consider capturing 1/9 of 360's year long head start and 1/4 of Xbox live's 5 year long headstart of 2 million members in 2 months being in trouble.

Xbox live has far more then 2 million. That source I gave was from before the 360 was even launched.

[gljvd]

Releasing in 2007:

FF13
White Knight Story
DMC4
Killzone
Motorstorm
Heavenly Sword
Lair
MGS4
GTA4 (yes, multiplatform with exclusive content, I know, but still a system seller none the less)
Oblivion (also with new content and a rumored native 1080p res)
Resistance




So lets see 6 titles that aren't strait out pipe dreams (white knight , killzone etc ) 1 year old port (at the time of its release ) 1 game that is on both platforms same day , 1 game that released in 2006 . Guess its magicly going to become more popular that will compare to xbox 360s exclusives ?

Why would a casual gamer go out and buy a ps3 at 500-600$ when they can get a 360 for 300-400$ and enjoy Halo 3 along with a ton of great exclusive titles and great multi platform titles .


Hell if a gamer wanted GTA4 , Oblivion , Rainbow 6 vegas they would be better to buy a xbox 360 as some of the games will be cheaper than the ps3 verisons when they come out .

I don't think you get ms's line up in 2007.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37038

Here it is , tons of exclusive titles .

This is what happened to the xbox 1 . It came out shortly before one of the ps2s most impressive years in terms of software .

[Coded-Dude]

thats list is not all exclusives.......but good try

[Crosman]

Just out of the blue...I think it would be cool to see Capcom start it's own line of home systems.

Many may not agree but it gives you something to think about I guess.

[koten]

Worst. Idea. Ever.

[gljvd]

thats list is not all exclusives.......but good try

no its not , but either was his list . I didn't feel like i needed to take the time sort out the exclusives from the list .

[gljvd]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/japanese-stores-slashing-20gb-prices-230297.php

ouch 20% off the core in japan . Knocks it down almost a cool 100$

[Generosity of God]

i dont understand all this doomsaying.

Sony is just having a really slow launch.

not enough good games and a price far more expensive than the majority of people are willing to pay is why sales are low.

when more good stuff start coming in and price starts coming down then sales will increase.

and you cant doomsay just because a few exclusives went multi. think about it properly. the console is expensive and devs are probably seeing low product penetration. they dont want to spend so much money just to sell to such a small audience. so they ported to a system with an already higher userbase. if devs had no faith in PS3 at all they wouldnt have considered a PS3 version. once PS3 numbers are moving along they might make the next game in the series exclusive to PS3 if it has the numbers they like.

it is stupid to say they cant win just because they have been having a horrible first two months. yes they are having troubles selling systems but they are troubles that will be overcome in due time.

[gljvd]

Its a circle .

Look at the ps2 .

It came out , was by itself for a year and its installed base got higher and higher . It became the lead dev platform even with the weaker and more complex hardware .

The gamecube and xbox couldn't keep up with the exclusives on the system and the ports becasue they had a smaller installed base at launch and it was harder for all but a few devs to make money on those platforms.

This in turn lead to more multi console games on the ps2 and more exclusives which in turn lead to a larger installed base and rinse adn repeat .

This is what is starting to happen with the xbox 360 .
It was out first , has a large installed base and amonster attach rate. Devs see this and figure lets make ports for it . Ms is paying certian devs for exclusives and is creating their own excluvies and live anyhwere titles ( pc ports ) . This will in turn lead to more buyers which will lead to more development support.

The 360 is only going to get cheaper as the ps3 gets cheaper . If most 3rd party devs target both platforms it will be up to sony and ms to buy or develop their own big block busters .

But for a long time the 360 will have the software advantage . Not only that but ms's lead over sony actually grew with the ps3 launch !!!

Every day the cost of entering next gen gets cheaper with the 360. Sure you can say that the 360 is still 300-400$ .But there are good titles already at the 20=30$ mark . FNR3 , COD2 , Outfit , PDZ , Kameo , Ridge Racer and a few others are all dirt cheap . Graw should also be droping in price to the 30$ range as Graw 2 comes out in 2 or 3 months .

All this makes total owner ship cheaper .

If sony has a lost momentum 2 months after launch there is a problem