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gljvd
02-01-2007, 02:56 PM
Sony's games division losses will be worse than expected and could exceed $2bn for the fiscal year ending in March, vnunet.com can reveal.

Executives told reporters and analysts in Tokyo today that they blamed a shortfall in sales of the costly PlayStation 3 video games console and the PlayStation Portable (PSP).

Sony's net profit fell more than five per cent to $1.3bn in the last three months of 2006. The games division suffered an operating loss of $455m during the quarter, a fall of almost $1bn from the previous quarter, according to Sony.

"This deterioration was primarily the result of the loss arising from the sale of the PS3 at strategic price points, as well as other charges associated with preparation for the launch of the PS3 platform," the company announced.

"In addition, operating income from the PS2 and PSP businesses fell due to sales declines."

Sony has been shocked by the strong sales of Nintendo's much cheaper Wii console, according to analysts, and has had to fight the entrenched strength of Microsoft's Xbox 360, which was launched more than a year ago and now has a wide range of games.

Sony's predicted loss on the first six months of PS3 sales now exceeds the $1.3bn Microsoft is estimated to have lost on Xbox 360 sales over the same period of that console's life-cycle.

Analysts have suggested that Sony will be able to cut PS3 manufacturing costs and retail prices later this year when it revamps the console with smaller ver sions of the Cell CPU and RSX graphics chip.

"How and when the company intends to address the problem of weak demand for PS3 hardware remains unclear. In our view, making the PS3 profitable will not be an easy task," said Eiichi Katayama of Nomura Securities in a briefing to clients.

Sony executives are now saying that the games division loss for the financial year ending in March will exceed earlier predictions of $1.65bn, and might go as high as $2.05bn, according to sources present at a Sony investor briefing in Tokyo today.

Nomura's analysts have stated that they expect the results to be even worse.

Despite the bad news from Sony's games division, better than expected results from its consumer electronics products had helped offset the loss, Katayama said. Sony highlighted TVs as a strong seller during the Christmas season.

Although media attention has focused on the high-profile PS3, older games products are also giving cause for concern at Sony.

"We think that a critical stage is approaching for the PSP, which in our view occupies an ambiguous market position as a game console and a multi-purpose audiovisual machine," said Katayama.



http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173857/sony-loses-6bn-ps3

also looks like ouch on the losses sony .

I think its good to see nintendo and ms to get some props for good launches. I remember last year everyone said the ms launch was horrible and sony was gonig to sweep over them . This jsut proves how hard it is to launch a billion dollar project

masteratt
02-01-2007, 03:36 PM
Gaming division loses $2bn, the movie division makes extra $5bn.
That's how Sony works.

They use synergy to combine all their divisions and any loses made in one division gets covered by the profits of others.
Sure it's "bad news" for the Sony Gaming Division but then again it's nothing to worry about for Sony as pointed out in the article:
Despite the bad news from Sony's games division, better than expected results from its consumer electronics products had helped offset the loss, Katayama said. Sony highlighted TVs as a strong seller during the Christmas season.

Only worrying things are big losses like when the Batteries exploded and stuff, they lost a lot of money and it was an unexpected loss too but these expected losses are normal even if it's a bit higher than expected.

Chris
02-01-2007, 03:46 PM
Executives told reporters and analysts in Tokyo today that they blamed a shortfall in sales of the costly PlayStation 3 video games console and the PlayStation Portable (PSP).

I found that quote a bit redundant..."We find that the losses in the gaming division are due to the gaming division."

In the long run I don't foresee a problem with PS3 sales continuing for too long.

gljvd
02-01-2007, 04:54 PM
Not that I wanted this thread to be about sony's losses just the fact that launching a console is a hard thing to do however

Gaming division loses $2bn, the movie division makes extra $5bn.
That's how Sony works.


This is how ms works too (but they make alot more money) however everyone still cites that ms is 5b in the hole and all the money they have lost.

When looking at hte consoles themselves this is very bad news for sony esp with talk of price drops and the fact that its selling only 20k a week in japan (only a little over double what the 360 sells there)

masteratt
02-01-2007, 05:00 PM
You posted about how Sony lost money.
I replied saying it doesn't matter as they re-coup the losses from other divisions and then somehow Microsoft gets in to the discussion :huh:

gljvd
02-01-2007, 05:11 PM
No that isn't what I posted.

Read the topic and my post and you can see what I posted.

Sony suprised at Nintendo's strong sales and Ms's entreched strength

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...-loses-6bn-ps3

also looks like ouch on the losses sony .

I think its good to see nintendo and ms to get some props for good launches. I remember last year everyone said the ms launch was horrible and sony was gonig to sweep over them . This jsut proves how hard it is to launch a billion dollar project




The looses are just part of the article. I posted more about the cost of launching a new console and how sony is giving props to nintendo and ms

masteratt
02-01-2007, 05:15 PM
I honestly see no news in this article other than Sony's financial reporting.

Phoenix
02-01-2007, 10:31 PM
Gaming division loses $2bn, the movie division makes extra $5bn.
That's how Sony works.Exactly why Sony, however great or terrible their products are, must never get full or near-full control over the industry. Dominance like last generation is merely business, but if they ever get explosive, phenomenal success, Microsoft would pull out, Sony would drive the industry into the ground and Nintendo would go out of business with it.

koten
02-01-2007, 10:43 PM
Sony really needs to work out a plan for the PS3.

Everyday we're hearing about more and more problems that their having. They better get their shit together and soon if they want to do well this generation.

Though I'm sure everyone here will agree with me that no matter what, it seems like the PS3 will come no where near the PS2 in terms of market dominance.

Viper
02-02-2007, 06:53 PM
Sony games since Q1 2004 has lost $568 million.

Though they make up for it with other divisions, wouldn't it make more sense to not lose that $568 million at all? That could be $568 million in bonuses to employees, an increase in stock value or price cuts to all their other electronics, etc...

Phoenix
02-02-2007, 10:47 PM
If they did that, they would not have snuck 600,000 Blu-Ray players into households.