No Unreal Engine 3 on Wii - EVER

[Zer0-Sum]

I though this should go here as it is about both UR3 and Wii. But it is kinda sad news, but not surprising. I guess UR2 will have to do. I guess you just can't downscale it enough to fit on to the Wii. Oh well....

Epic VP Mark Rein has been speaking to Wired News about the success of the Unreal Engine 3, especially since the firm recently licensed it to a Japanese developer for the first time.

Here are the highlights from the interview:

It's also tough to ignore the success of the Wii at this point. Do you guys have any plans to be in that space?

Rein:: Hey, we're in that space! Red Steel, Splinter Cell -- those use our previous engine technology. But it's not in our plans to bring Unreal Engine 3 to the Wii. It's really designed for next-gen, high-definition.
It can't be easy to get Japanese developers on board, because they traditionally use their own engines.

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Rein: It's definitely a challenge to convince Japanese developers to work with a third-party technology like ours. But Square Enix, they're the granddaddy. I'm hoping that'll be pulling the stopper out of the drain, and we'll gradually crack that nut. We've been looking to hire somebody in Japan, to be our representative there.

It's really hard to find somebody who speaks really good English, knows our technology well, is native Japanese, has an engineering background, can answer complex questions. We're looking; the job's open.
You obviously love the Xbox 360. Do you love the PlayStation 3?

Rein: Yeah, absolutely. I think they're both great machines. I don't understand all this crazy negative backlash toward PlayStation 3. It's like, people aren't happy that there aren't enough machines, and then they're not happy that there are? Get over it! You want to be able to buy the damn thing!

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[curryking1]

That's nice... too bad the UE3.0 engine is a waste of time. I personally don't like the results that come from it, UT2K7 doesn't look very good to me at all.

[Zer0-Sum]

^^^ Uh, yah, suuuuuuureeeeee.....no comment.....:doh:

[masteratt]

Lucky Wii owners!

Unreal Engine 3
*shivers*

[Xer0]

Lucky Wii owners!


*shivers*

I believe the correct response would be goes blind, since everything is so damn shiny

[masteratt]

Shiny yet lifeless.

The only thing I like about the UE3 is.....Well it works good with Unreal Tournament :thumpsup:

[Ivory_Soul]

I like the UT3 engine I think it's really neat. Who says everything has to be realistic looking? I think they're just going to use the UT2 engine on the Wii.

[Zer0-Sum]

I seem to remember Gears of War being "dark and grungy" from what I saw. It was made with the UnReal 3 Engine. It is all in the dev and how they use the engine.

[Ivory_Soul]

Yeah it doesn't have to be shiny. You guys have just seen Epic use the engine and their new style is the dark grungy and the "shiny" is called HDRL or High Dynamic Range Lighting. Wait until more devs get a hold of it and you'll see the difference.

[Zer0-Sum]

I make Mods in the UnReal 2 Engine and can't wait to get my hands on the UnReal 3 engine. SWEET!!!!! UnReal 2 is great for what it is though and has great potential on the Wii.

[Ivory_Soul]

Yeah I helped create a level for a mod in UR2 and it was really easy and nice. UR3 is sweet and it's what we've all been waiting for. I'm mostly excited about the Crytek engine though. That kicks UR3 in the ass in so many ways.

[Zer0-Sum]

I personally can't wait for Square-Enix to do their magic with the UnReal 3 engine. That will be sweet to see for sure.

[Shadow Voa]

Who cares... with the exception of Sony and MS fans laughing at the Wii for whatever reasons, Im sure almost every Nintendo fan either:

A) Didnt care at all about this.
B) No such thing as bad news for Nintendo.
C) Wii is the REAL next gen system so it matters not.


Heh, there all too similiar... see Nintendo still wins! LOL

[The Dude]

In other news Wii Play will not be coming to the PS3 this winter.

[Ivory_Soul]

A) Didnt care at all about this.
B) No such thing as bad news for Nintendo.
C) Wii is the REAL next gen system so it matters not.


Heh, there all too similiar... see Nintendo still wins! LOL

You better be being sarcastic...

[Shadow Voa]

Am I that unpredictable?

But in all seriousness I dont care, Wii isnt about graphics so UE3 really isnt for the system. Its fine the way it is and if I want UE3 I know where to find it, I wont miss it on Wii and Im sure lots of other Nintendo fans arent completely destroyed by this "news".

[koten]

This is newsworthy?

[IEatFriedPikmin]

good thing its not necessary. i hope no one bought a wii for the graphics.

[Viper]

So this is the FUD Sony gamers keep talking about. Add in that little "NEVER" bit that wasn't in the article at all and you have the makings of a full blown FUD piece.

The ironic part is that Wii gamers typically could care less of UE3 is developed for Wii or not.

UE3 is so popular on PS3 and X360 because it's expensive as hell and time consuming to create your own engines where as that's not the case on Wii. There are still plenty of other middleware dev tools available for devs to use if they want to anyway.

[curryking1]

^^^That was beyond rude and is disrespectful, and I think you have no place to say such a thing on E-mpire.

[Shadow Voa]

Well it's not an attack Shadow deadboyz was just letting everyone know. You Nintendo fanboys really think you're all that and are better then everyone. If you ask me you are all annoying pests.

Shadow attack again? Jeez your getting bothersome now... I apologized to him and now you bring this into another thread, what are you like 12? Grow up seriously. Just to add to that you label me along with everyone else as Nintendo fanboys just cause you have people who disagree with your opinion, are you some sort of advocate of mutliconsole gaming cause Ive already joined in that party I dont need your last minute rants about how unbias you are.

Edit: I posted this after leaving and finding another post that sounded like you still hadnt understood me. Sorry for this misunderstanding.

[Ivory_Soul]

No but it's less stuff Wii gamers get. The UR2 engine is pretty old and last gen. Like the guy said Red Steel and Splinter Cell run off of it. They are missing out on all those next gen middlwares. Especially the Crytek engine. I'm sure someone will make a spiffy new next gen engine for the Wii though.

[Ivory_Soul]

Shadow attack again? Jeez your getting bothersome now... I apologized to him and now you bring this into another thread, what are you like 12? Grow up seriously. Just to add to that you label me along with everyone else as Nintendo fanboys just cause you have people who disagree with your opinion, are you some sort of advocate of mutliconsole gaming cause Ive already joined in that party I dont need your last minute rants about how unbias you are.

Actually I posted that way before the other one man so calm down. I said nothing immature either. IF you noticed I apologized in the other thread because I missed important info on your post. Who's immature now?

[frosty]

Well it's not an attack Shadow deadboyz was just letting everyone know. You Nintendo fanboys really think you're all that and are better then everyone. If you ask me you are all annoying pests.

This comment is out of line. Shadow is one of the more unbiased gamers around here, who happens to own all 3 systems and posts in all 3 forums. Notice the sig? So what if he's enjoying his Wii the most right now. He may find in a few months he enjoys his PS3 more, or his 360... either way he gets the best of all 3 worlds because he isn't a fanboy, regardless of what you call him.


And people who buy wii know it isn't much more powerful than it's predecessor. They bought it for it's games and controller, that's it. They don't give a fuck if it can render 40k poly normal mapped characters in UE3 or not.

[Viper]

No but it's less stuff Wii gamers get. The UR2 engine is pretty old and last gen. Like the guy said Red Steel and Splinter Cell run off of it. They are missing out on all those next gen middlwares. Especially the Crytek engine. I'm sure someone will make a spiffy new next gen engine for the Wii though.

I don't see them as missing out. If a UE3 game were to come out on PS3/X360 and the dev wanted it on Wii also, it could still be done with UE2. They'd miss out on the graphical flair but that's stating the obvious despite which game engine it runs on.

The Crytek engine? You mean the ones the dev feel the PS3 may not even be able to run perfectly?

[Ivory_Soul]

I already said I apologized in the other thread. I wasn't necessarily calling him a fan boy. He was just talking like them for a minute to me and it annoys me when people do that.

I don't see them as missing out. If a UE3 game were to come out on PS3/X360 and the dev wanted it on Wii also, it could still be done with UE2. They'd miss out on the graphical flair but that's stating the obvious despite which game engine it runs on.

The Crytek engine? You mean the ones the dev feel the PS3 may not even be able to run perfectly?

I didn't know they said that about the PS3 but still engines aren't just for graphics its better AI better scripting better dev tools, better physics all that but IT DOESN'T MATTER! I'm sure someone will hand tailor a next-gen Wii middleware.

[frosty]

Well, relax bro. It's just a discussion about videogames, no need to let emotion become a part of it.

We're all passionate about our games, but we gotta draw the line somewhere.

[curryking1]

Maybe it could've been you too hasty to judge, take that for what it's worth. Keep a level head, everyone does a great job of it around these parts.

No but it's less stuff Wii gamers get. The UR2 engine is pretty old and last gen. Like the guy said Red Steel and Splinter Cell run off of it. They are missing out on all those next gen middlwares. Especially the Crytek engine. I'm sure someone will make a spiffy new next gen engine for the Wii though.

Why does this matter if the Wii gets a 'spiffy' engine? A game can be deeper than any other game, better than any other game, and do things other games don't and not be on more powerful hardware. Technical achievement with graphics and physics is only one of many, many ways to make a great game, as can be attested by Chrono Trigger, Zelda OoT, etc. etc.

The Wii will be able to produce titles with less, equal and more depth and quality as the PS3 and 360 will, that isn't arguable. You don't need 10 million GHz to make a good game, a deep game, a lengthy game, an enthralling game. What you need is a good game. Maybe they might not look as good (which is also arguable, aesthetics and art can defeat technical achievement in many scenarios), but last time I checked the RSX and Xenos didn't make good gameplay, the games did.

The Crytek engine? You mean the ones the dev feel the PS3 may not even be able to run perfectly?

Well, the Crytek engine is made for the PC, and is a ram eater. I mean this game is being called to require 4 gigs of ram and an 8800 GTX at least to run on the high settings. I'm sure SCEWWS and their in house engines, and Polyphony will be able to make some really amazing looking games. Polyphony is one I would bet all my gaming stuff on to make a seriously impressive engine that might just pump out quality we will not see on the PC for some time to come. I mean, look at those car models, wow.

Also, SCE and the ICE Engine is certainly promising with head of ND David Simpson and Mark Cerny working on it. And secondly about the Crytek engine, it isn't going to work to the strengths of the PS3, I know this sounds really fanboyish, but it won't take advantage of the Cell. Games from Polyhony and SCE will, ND has already been called by industry pros, like even the PC centric Gabe Newell, to be the most knowledgable about multithreading and the farthest along in the technology. Expect Polyphony, ND, and other SCE studios to get the most out of the PS3. Square isn't doing half bad with FF XIII and the White Engine either.

[Shadow Voa]

This comment is out of line. Shadow is one of the more unbiased gamers around here, who happens to own all 3 systems and posts in all 3 forums. Notice the sig? So what if he's enjoying his Wii the most right now. He may find in a few months he enjoys his PS3 more, or his 360... either way he gets the best of all 3 worlds because he isn't a fanboy, regardless of what you call him.


And people who buy wii know it isn't much more powerful than it's predecessor. They bought it for it's games and controller, that's it. They don't give a fuck if it can render 40k poly normal mapped characters in UE3 or not.

Finally someone who understands that gaming should be enjoyed no matter what console! Very mod like!! + rep Frosty

[Ivory_Soul]

I already apologized to Shadow for my miss information and this is my reason so you people know in the future.

Sorry Shadow it's just I'm always hearing Nintendo this and Nintendo that now and it's really annoying me. It's not Nintendo's bad it's the people so whenever someone says something that's like "Nintendo is the BEST EVER!! ZOMG!!!!" but in a stupid unintelligent way it really annoys me. IF they said "Yeah Nintendo is the best for me because of da da da da" then that's fine. I just hate the Nintendo spammers if you know what I mean. I also hate Sony and MS people like that! It drives me crazy. Someone's gotta agree on that. IT's just there are more Nintendo fans because it's been around longer so you hear it more often.

Just understand I don't want people hating me or thinking I'm a jerk or whatever I have logical reasoning in all my...erm reasons...

[Ivory_Soul]

Why does this matter if the Wii gets a 'spiffy' engine? A game can be deeper than any other game, better than any other game, and do things other games don't and not be on more powerful hardware. Technical achievement with graphics and physics is only one of many, many ways to make a great game, as can be attested by Chrono Trigger, Zelda OoT, etc. etc.


I know by why does everyone have to say "it's not about graphics"? What's wrong with a spiffy Wii engine? I'm sure you wouldn't just wanna play Wii games with just OK graphics, physics, AI and all that through this whole generation. The more the merrier right?

[Viper]

I believe Havok has a physics middleware tool for Wii already so the physics are taken care of. I don't know how well it handles physics vs UE3 though.

To be honest, UE3 is a limiting system more so than a blessing for creativity. UE3 isn't tailored to each game but works like a new default dev tool. If a game has an engine developed specifically for it, UE3 won't stand much of a chance.

We see UE3 getting used often on PS3 and X360 right now as the dev time, cost and learning curve for development warrant such a use but over time, the UE3 engine will drop from favor as the cost of development goes down and the learning curve has subsided.

[Ivory_Soul]

That makes sense Viper I see your point now...see told you I'm reasonable if you make sense.

[Ravster]

This comment is out of line. Shadow is one of the more unbiased gamers around here, who happens to own all 3 systems and posts in all 3 forums. Notice the sig? So what if he's enjoying his Wii the most right now. He may find in a few months he enjoys his PS3 more, or his 360... either way he gets the best of all 3 worlds because he isn't a fanboy, regardless of what you call him.


And people who buy wii know it isn't much more powerful than it's predecessor. They bought it for it's games and controller, that's it. They don't give a fuck if it can render 40k poly normal mapped characters in UE3 or not.



Thank you very much.

[curryking1]

I know by why does everyone have to say "it's not about graphics"? What's wrong with a spiffy Wii engine? I'm sure you wouldn't just wanna play Wii games with just OK graphics, physics, AI and all that through this whole generation. The more the merrier right?

Ok, literally, the Wii could get a very optimized and excellent engine to exploit it's hardware. All I wanted to point out was that Ninty, Sony, and MS took different paths with their idea and wants for this gen of gaming, and all have equal capacity to make great games.

[Ivory_Soul]

Ok now you make sense curry.

[Shadow Voa]

Group hug yet? Lol

Im going to go play Sonic the Hedghog on 360 (it was out for PS3 amazingly), see Im so unbiased I will play even the worst of games just to form an opinion I can back up in a real argument with facts.

[TheGreenElf]

The real question is who expected it to work for Wii?

[Shadow Voa]

There were rumors of it being ported and dummed down so it would work on the Wii, so if you were ones of those hoping for it on Wii this news isnt a confirmation it wont happen but dont expect it either.

[Ivory_Soul]

You Wii-Wiis are getting Sonic and the Secret Rings...I played the demo for 360 of Sonic and it sucks major ass. I expected it since all the other 3D Sonic games have sucked as well. If a game blatantly gets bad reviews from everyone then it's enough for me not to play it.

[Viper]

Sonic on Wii is a completely different game.

[Ivory_Soul]

You guys don't want Sonic the Hedgehog that game should stop being produced. I'm hoping Secret Rings changes Sonic back to the way it was.

[Viper]

Most of the previews proclaim it returns to the roots while actually adding good things to it.

It operates like the old games did, on rails. If you think about it, 2D games of the past were in a sense flat rail games. Having a focus on speed and reactionary movements to obstacles and enemies should be a breathe of fresh air compared the shitty 3D games Sega has thrown us for years.

[Zer0-Sum]

I know I am looking forward to Sonic on Wii. Old school gameplay? Sounds good to me.

[Gookanheimer]

Im sure almost every Nintendo fan either:

A) Didnt care at all about this.
B) No such thing as bad news for Nintendo.
C) Wii is the REAL next gen system so it matters not.

That's me. Dont even know what the UT3 engine is! :)

[Generosity of God]

That's me. Dont even know what the UT3 engine is! :)

its UT2 engine but with more stuff and HD.

kind of like PS3 is PS2 but with more stuff and HD.

[curryking1]

^:(

Lol! That was harsh! hahhaa.

[Derrick Barra]

I know I am looking forward to Sonic on Wii. Old school gameplay? Sounds good to me.

Get ready to get stuck against countless walls and fight against the crappy ass controls. Sonic Team (hah) hasn't updated the game engine from the last time I played it (E3), it's going to suck ass. It sucks that people still don't know that this game is crap.

[Viper]

Derrick, what makes you so sure they haven't tweaked the controls in 9 months?

[Generosity of God]

even if they havent, it still has a good chance at being better than the other 3d sonic games.

honestly by looking at the control scheme, i'd have to say that you gotta suck badly if you get stuck against walls. its basicly like the 2d sonic platformers in that you have to time jumps properly and if you dont well there is a way to reverse so that you arent stuck against a wall.

the developers have said the controls need quite a bit of time to learn. so i wouldnt blame you derrick for sucking so badly at it, because you had to overcome the learning curve with the short time you had at an industry tradeshow.

[Applefiend]

I don't think it would be possible for it to be worse than Sonic on 360/PS3...

Unless a spike shot out or your Wii and impaled you while your were playing.

I think using Sonic is a good example. Great graphics aren't what makes a great game. You don't need Unreal 3.0 to have great games, or indeed great graphics.

But errrmm... Great graphics do help.

[curryking1]

I thought it was already set in stone that Sonic on the Wii has been getting critical acclaim for it's controls, no? I'm really interested in trying it out myself.

[Applefiend]

It looks fun doesn't it. I just wonder how long it is.

[Derrick Barra]

even if they havent, it still has a good chance at being better than the other 3d sonic games.

honestly by looking at the control scheme, i'd have to say that you gotta suck badly if you get stuck against walls. its basicly like the 2d sonic platformers in that you have to time jumps properly and if you dont well there is a way to reverse so that you arent stuck against a wall.

the developers have said the controls need quite a bit of time to learn. so i wouldnt blame you derrick for sucking so badly at it, because you had to overcome the learning curve with the short time you had at an industry tradeshow.

Ever played Sonic on the 360? You know how they F*ed up the controls by making them ultra-mega sensitive? Yeah well it's the same deal in this game. Hell just try this game at Walmart or something when it comes out, just please don't spend money on it right away.

[Gookanheimer]

its UT2 engine but with more stuff and HD.

kind of like PS3 is PS2 but with more stuff and HD.
Hahaha!

Maybe I should have just dropped off the 3 and said "UT Engine" :P

[TheGreenElf]

Ever played Sonic on the 360? You know how they F*ed up the controls by making them ultra-mega sensitive? Yeah well it's the same deal in this game. Hell just try this game at Walmart or something when it comes out, just please don't spend money on it right away.

If the last time you played it at was at E3, how do you know the controls are as sensitive?

[Viper]

That's what I asked. Seriously, games can change a lot in 9 months. Especially considering they didn't even have the full Wii dev kit at E3.

[koten]

Take almost any game Ubi has ever made for example.

[venomv]

UE3 was made for games like GeoW and UT2007.....Why would they wanna spend time with it on the Wii, UE2 would be fine....