So This Is The Type Of Hatred U Get When Your King For 11 Years

[gottig10]

So because playstation has been killing everything for the last 11 years , people wont to start hateing.

e3 trailer target renders=that what they are target renders, there what devs wont to achieve on a system in the next years that they are working on it.------WAIT a min didnt ea sports have target render trailers of madden and nba live back in 05, did any of the games turn out to look anything close to thouse videos. hell no, dose any of the halo3 pics and movies we have seen look anything like the target render video we seen at e3 that bungie clamed was real time...hel no. but when sony dose the same exact thing, the how world erupts, and wonts sony to fail.

a launch system. a launch never ever has a title that shows what the system real power is capable of. nor are launch titles ment to be the best thing in the world.ps3 launched on nov 17, it launched with a AAA title called resistance. the title is loved by everyone, get rav reviews from everyone(except gamestop, we will get to that later). the game sports 40 players online, with no lag, supports blue tooth headsets(a first for any game) supports 4 player split screen, supports a long and an ambitious story. Put in all resistance may be the best launch title ever.........but people continue to compare it to a 2nd gen game that only supports 8 players on screen at ounce, and requires big bulky metel people in order to show off nice graphics, and no friends can play with you online, and lags. but nobody recongnized this as a plus for the ps3,ganes that run with no lag at all. for get that people wont to talk about why a 40 player game wigth physics, and tons of stuff going on the screen, with no lag, dode not look as good as a 3rd person 8 player max game with lag. hmmm. then they say ps3 has no games? well when its only been out for 2 months, how many game do you expect it to have. In a few more weeks we have another aaa title called vf5, in just 3 months the ps3 has 2 aaa titles, compared to last year when the compitition had 0 aaa titles for at least 7 months.(or when ever oblivion came out)then in march another possible aaa title motorstorm will becoming out. thats 3.
Then theres games thathave been delayed. Everyone blaims sony for not having any games. how is it sony fault when the devs are the onees making the games and telling us they will come out at launch, but when they delay the game everyone says ohhhhhh sony sux they cant even get games out. What? how is that sony fault

Multiplateform title, weak ports. People are saying sony sucks because ports from another system look better. well guess what people, its made from the ground up from that system it should look better. plus devs did not get there finel dev kits untill aug of 06, so basiclly what we got was a bunch rushed to meet launch inferior ports. from a system that devs have had 1 year to work with, and are allready on the secound gen games for.......but no every one for gets that and wants to bash the ps3.wait tell the end of this year when mgs4 blows every one mind, then what will they have to say.

ps3 sales. ok for a 600 dollar system every one has to admit theps3 is the best ever product to ever sell at that price. i mean you mean to tell me that almost 2 million people not even including europe, have spent 500-500 $ on a game system, you have to give sony there props. Because for a $600 sony should be happy 1 person bought it with only 1 game being an aaa title. then sony actually shipped 1 million units in the us, basiclly beating the numbers shiped and sold, for any $400 and above system,in the months of nov-0dec, sony sold 700k systems,at a price of $5-600. but nooo, everyone wonts to talk about how system are sitting on shelves, after the xmass season.----well duh not every one has 600 bills after xmass season. plus with only 1 game \, some people will wont to wait and see what other new games are coming out.but noooo sony is doomed

Loosing exclusive. as far as i can see it the only exclusive sony has lost is vf5 and that was a sega game. ut was a xbox 1 game and a pc game, every one just asumed that since they didnt annouce it for the 360, it was exclusive.wait.......how can it be exclusive when its on pc.but when it was annouced for the other system sony is doomed. gta this was only a timed exclusive,this time ms just get it to release on the same day, its still coming out on the ps3,but no sony is doomed.assasins creed, this game was never said to be ps3 exclusive, they just annouced it for the ps3 first. odviously u should have known since its made from ubisoft.and there where rumors that it was being played on the 360 at e3. but nooooo every one blaim sony for loosing a game they never stated was exclusive, and hasnt even been pleyed to see if its even good, it could be medicore at best who knows.its not like there getting heavy hitters like tekken mgs4 dmc4,rachet and clank, jak and dexter.

600 dollar price tag. yes it is a hefty price, but for ps1,ps2,ps3,blue ray movies, card readers hdmi, wifi, blue tooth 60 gig of hard drive space,1080p games, heat pressure buttons,6axis control, free online= all would averge out to about 1200 dollars, but sony cut it in half and sold it.if you dont wont wifi and card readers then get the 500 one. which is only 100 dollars more than the premium of the other system.........but nooo every one forgets about the 20 gig version, and acts like it cant play games, get online ect. sony will fail.

you guys fotget sony is on top and will stay there for awile longer, with ps2 killing ever system out, and ps3 looking to pick up steam in 07, and psp selling like hot cakes with a 25million user base, there is no way sony can loose.



i guees this how the lakers felt after wining 3 chapionships ina row, people will hate no matter what.

[LiquidEagle]

Aside from a few disagreements, you have it pretty much right... but you're preaching to the choir :'(

[Kabbage]

I guess this saying applies here as well... and to Yao Ming.

"No one loves the giant"

[gottig10]

sorry for the typeos people

[Negativity]

You're preaching to the choir...

...and I ain't part of the choir.

[user friendly]

They lock threads up fast over on playstation.com.

[[[tavis]]]

You're preaching to the choir...

...and I ain't part of the choir.


hahahahahahahahahha:spit:


awesome!

[Siraris]

I'm sorry to be rude, but I can't take anyone seriously who writes like this. I don't know why we need another PS3 is worth it thread, especially when it's barely even readable.

[SuperLuigiBros]

I only read the first paragraph, and i can assure you that ALOT of people were pissed off with EA's target renders.

[shaka]

So because playstation has been killing everything for the last 11 years , people wont to start hateing.

e3 trailer target renders=that what they are target renders, there what devs wont to achieve on a system in the next years that they are working on it.------WAIT a min didnt ea sports have target render trailers of madden and nba live back in 05, did any of the games turn out to look anything close to thouse videos. hell no, dose any of the halo3 pics and movies we have seen look anything like the target render video we seen at e3 that bungie clamed was real time...hel no. but when sony dose the same exact thing, the how world erupts, and wonts sony to fail.

a launch system. a launch never ever has a title that shows what the system real power is capable of. nor are launch titles ment to be the best thing in the world.ps3 launched on nov 17, it launched with a AAA title called resistance. the title is loved by everyone, get rav reviews from everyone(except gamestop, we will get to that later). the game sports 40 players online, with no lag, supports blue tooth headsets(a first for any game) supports 4 player split screen, supports a long and an ambitious story. Put in all resistance may be the best launch title ever.........but people continue to compare it to a 2nd gen game that only supports 8 players on screen at ounce, and requires big bulky metel people in order to show off nice graphics, and no friends can play with you online, and lags. but nobody recongnized this as a plus for the ps3,ganes that run with no lag at all. for get that people wont to talk about why a 40 player game wigth physics, and tons of stuff going on the screen, with no lag, dode not look as good as a 3rd person 8 player max game with lag. hmmm. then they say ps3 has no games? well when its only been out for 2 months, how many game do you expect it to have. In a few more weeks we have another aaa title called vf5, in just 3 months the ps3 has 2 aaa titles, compared to last year when the compitition had 0 aaa titles for at least 7 months.(or when ever oblivion came out)then in march another possible aaa title motorstorm will becoming out. thats 3.
Then theres games thathave been delayed. Everyone blaims sony for not having any games. how is it sony fault when the devs are the onees making the games and telling us they will come out at launch, but when they delay the game everyone says ohhhhhh sony sux they cant even get games out. What? how is that sony fault

Multiplateform title, weak ports. People are saying sony sucks because ports from another system look better. well guess what people, its made from the ground up from that system it should look better. plus devs did not get there finel dev kits untill aug of 06, so basiclly what we got was a bunch rushed to meet launch inferior ports. from a system that devs have had 1 year to work with, and are allready on the secound gen games for.......but no every one for gets that and wants to bash the ps3.wait tell the end of this year when mgs4 blows every one mind, then what will they have to say.

ps3 sales. ok for a 600 dollar system every one has to admit theps3 is the best ever product to ever sell at that price. i mean you mean to tell me that almost 2 million people not even including europe, have spent 500-500 $ on a game system, you have to give sony there props. Because for a $600 sony should be happy 1 person bought it with only 1 game being an aaa title. then sony actually shipped 1 million units in the us, basiclly beating the numbers shiped and sold, for any $400 and above system,in the months of nov-0dec, sony sold 700k systems,at a price of $5-600. but nooo, everyone wonts to talk about how system are sitting on shelves, after the xmass season.----well duh not every one has 600 bills after xmass season. plus with only 1 game \, some people will wont to wait and see what other new games are coming out.but noooo sony is doomed

Loosing exclusive. as far as i can see it the only exclusive sony has lost is vf5 and that was a sega game. ut was a xbox 1 game and a pc game, every one just asumed that since they didnt annouce it for the 360, it was exclusive.wait.......how can it be exclusive when its on pc.but when it was annouced for the other system sony is doomed. gta this was only a timed exclusive,this time ms just get it to release on the same day, its still coming out on the ps3,but no sony is doomed.assasins creed, this game was never said to be ps3 exclusive, they just annouced it for the ps3 first. odviously u should have known since its made from ubisoft.and there where rumors that it was being played on the 360 at e3. but nooooo every one blaim sony for loosing a game they never stated was exclusive, and hasnt even been pleyed to see if its even good, it could be medicore at best who knows.its not like there getting heavy hitters like tekken mgs4 dmc4,rachet and clank, jak and dexter.

600 dollar price tag. yes it is a hefty price, but for ps1,ps2,ps3,blue ray movies, card readers hdmi, wifi, blue tooth 60 gig of hard drive space,1080p games, heat pressure buttons,6axis control, free online= all would averge out to about 1200 dollars, but sony cut it in half and sold it.if you dont wont wifi and card readers then get the 500 one. which is only 100 dollars more than the premium of the other system.........but nooo every one forgets about the 20 gig version, and acts like it cant play games, get online ect. sony will fail.

you guys fotget sony is on top and will stay there for awile longer, with ps2 killing ever system out, and ps3 looking to pick up steam in 07, and psp selling like hot cakes with a 25million user base, there is no way sony can loose.



i guees this how the lakers felt after wining 3 chapionships ina row, people will hate no matter what.

Lots of good points here,about the xbox and nintendo fans hating on PS3.its obvious they know PS3 is the best they are afraid PS3 will destroy the competention even with a high price console and all this internet hate, just like the PS1 killed nintendo 64 and it made record sales,more then 100 million PS1 sold no other gaming comnpany in history has achive such goal.

then we go to PS2 the best selling video game console in the history of video gaming and its not even slowing down at this date PS2 sales more then xbox 360 in all 3 markets.

like i said they are so insecure about their own systems they need to put down the competition,and also well alot of nostalgia from old gamers praying nintendo and hating on Sony.

[Fats]

I'm sorry to be rude, but I can't take anyone seriously who writes like this. I don't know why we need another PS3 is worth it thread, especially when it's barely even readable.

You need to consider that not everyone's English is going to be of the highest quality.

[Fredag]

Some forums have spellsheck, that helps alot. If I'm not sure how to spell a word, I use google:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7372/spellcheckje5.gif

If I had MS Office, I'd use that, but I can't afford it. I'm thinking of installing Openoffice, (It has spellcheck?)as i'm about to use Linux on PS3 anyways...:rotate:

Sorry for OT, but as a low educated Swede, spelling is sometimes a problem for me to, as is building sentances with the words in the right order, hehe...

To get ontopic, I agree.(Kind of.) :shifty:

[CreativeWriter]

You need to consider that not everyone's English is going to be of the highest quality.

It's always difficult telling which posts are from non-native speakers and which are from lazy/drunk/on-a-furious-no-time-for-editing-rant. I have to resist my editing instincts as much as possible virtually everywhere I go online. Still, can't say I disagree with Siraris here. At least in all the Romance languages we get periods, capital letters, proper spacing between punctuation, etc. It wouldn't be a bad thing if netiquette included attention to syntax and punctuation on message-boards. People might try the spell check function before submitting posts that require an emotional investment to read (meaning long posts).

It certainly affects the forum's reputation in the larger online community, since there's an undeniable link between immaturity in content (fanboyism) and sloppiness in form (think about it: ever gotten mad at a polite, calm fanboy? It doesn't happen). Our forum has a positive rep for being able to handle the tech discussions that originate at places like B3D and deal with the daily dramas of the console wars. It might not be a bad idea to point out occasional posts that don't meet with the community's expectations... But that's just the English teacher talking.

[LiquidEagle]

It's always difficult telling which posts are from non-native speakers and which are from lazy/drunk/on-a-furious-no-time-for-editing-rant. I have to resist my editing instincts as much as possible virtually everywhere I go online. Still, can't say I disagree with Siraris here. At least in all the Romance languages we get periods, capital letters, proper spacing between punctuation, etc. It wouldn't be a bad thing if netiquette included attention to syntax and punctuation on message-boards. People might try the spell check function before submitting posts that require an emotional investment to read (meaning long posts).

It certainly affects the forum's reputation in the larger online community, since there's an undeniable link between immaturity in content (fanboyism) and sloppiness in form (think about it: ever gotten mad at a polite, calm fanboy? It doesn't happen). Our forum has a positive rep for being able to handle the tech discussions that originate at places like B3D and deal with the daily dramas of the console wars. It might not be a bad idea to point out occasional posts that don't meet with the community's expectations... But that's just the English teacher talking.

This is the English major agreeing with you :-p

[jaxmkii]

he's right!

but gottig10 you have to be carefull if you point out the flaws in 360s parton saint your will atract the atention of MS royal bodygards.

[Elios]

While it's true that many want to see Sony knocked off the throne after more than 10 years of leadership, it's undeniable that Sony during 2006 has made many mistakes and the negativity is a result. In 2005 they hype around PS3 was through the roof but simply put in 2006 Sony shocked the market with something unexepected and unwanted like the 600$ price tag, and the market reacted. Then of course it's not all about the price, we have had delays, production problems, weak launch lineup notwithstanding the delays, weak launch firmware with upscaling problems and many basic functions missing and silence about the big titles coming on the console. It's difficult in this situation to say that Sony hasn't deserved most of the negativity around them although the trend is ridicolous. But right now I think the worst is over, the console is out, march will be a really strong month for software releases and as soon as a strong lineup will be available for the console and Sony finally cuts the outrageous price this year,negativity will be over because the product has a lot of value.

[Generosity of God]

i dont hate the playstation brand because its king.

i hate the people who think they're cool who got sucked into buying a PS because the marketing they saw told them it was cool.

and then i hated them even more when they continued to buy rehashed games (i mean EA sports same thing each year rehash not the Nintendo style rehash) causing developers to continually rehash or clone the popular games because it made them money.

i dont hate Sony or PS. i like quite a few stuff on there. i just felt the industry was losing its soul because of the audience that the PS name attracted.

just so you know, i was generalising so dont get angry if you arent that kind of person. i expect that those kinds of people dont usually browse internet gaming forums.

[jaxmkii]

i hate the people who think they're cool who got sucked into buying a PS because the marketing they saw told them it was cool.

that could besaid about 360 and especaily the Wii

and then i hated them even more when they continued to buy rehashed games (i mean EA sports same thing each year rehash not the Nintendo style rehash) causing developers to continually rehash or clone the popular games because it made them money. EA is NOT Sony and everything EA on playstation can be found on 360 as well, and the Wii now as well

[.®]

I'm sorry to be rude, but I can't take anyone seriously who writes like this. I don't know why we need another PS3 is worth it thread, especially when it's barely even readable.

I understand where you're coming from with that imagine all the paper he just wasted, what a shame.

It's just in some well most people's nature to hate...

[GTAce]

i hate the people who think they're cool who got sucked into buying a PS because the marketing they saw told them it was cool.

and then i hated them even more when they continued to buy rehashed games (i mean EA sports same thing each year rehash not the Nintendo style rehash) causing developers to continually rehash or clone the popular games because it made them money.

If theyre happy with it its ok.
If somone buy a PlayStation just because he find it "cool" and he is happy with that its great, i mean a console is there to make people happy thats all.
I hate EA and i hate the new NfS games for example but there are many fans of NfS and they have fun with it, thats ok imo.

[Viper]

Interesting write up. I'd debate you on the launch titles you spoke of early but I doubt it would do any good.


Lots of good points here,about the xbox and nintendo fans hating on PS3.its obvious they know PS3 is the best they are afraid PS3 will destroy the competention even with a high price console and all this internet hate, just like the PS1 killed nintendo 64 and it made record sales,more then 100 million PS1 sold no other gaming comnpany in history has achive such goal.

then we go to PS2 the best selling video game console in the history of video gaming and its not even slowing down at this date PS2 sales more then xbox 360 in all 3 markets.

like i said they are so insecure about their own systems they need to put down the competition,and also well alot of nostalgia from old gamers praying nintendo and hating on Sony.
And Sony fans don't want the same thing for their console? Didn't you want the PS to crush Sega and Nintendo? Or the PS2 to crush Nintendo and MS?

You claim insecurity on the part of N gamers in a thread inspired by the insecurity of Sony gamers. How ironic.

[jaxmkii]

You're preaching to the choir...

...and I ain't part of the choir.

arn't you just the baddest mo fo in town...

[VG Aficionado]

And Sony fans don't want the same thing for their console? Didn't you want the PS to crush Sega and Nintendo? Or the PS2 to crush Nintendo and MS?To be honest, as an owner of Sega and Nintendo consoles as well as a Windows PC I've used for gaming for many years now, no, I don't and I never did. Rather than wanting them to crush the competition, I just want Sony to keep releasing good games on PS systems, and having more or less strong competitors can help to that purpose. If they can be more successful than their competitors, that's great for me because that probably means better games that I'll enjoy in my personal favourite system. If I see extreme fanboyism against PS3, I get sick for a few seconds and I don't give a damn shortly after that. If I dislike anything on the 360 or Wii, I just think about it to make sure I dislike it for a good reason rather than going on a trolling rampage on all the boards I can find in the Internet.

But I guess I'm not the average Sony fanboy :shifty: Yeah, I know you weren't talking to me.

[frosty]

Yeah, if Sony "crushed" their competition every time, they'd end up with Microsoft syndrome. Just like they put out an operating system that is like swiss cheese they tried to patch up to fill in the holes because there is no competition.

[LiquidEagle]

and then i hated them even more when they continued to buy rehashed games (i mean EA sports same thing each year rehash not the Nintendo style rehash) causing developers to continually rehash or clone the popular games because it made them money.p

Double standard? One rehash is okay but the other isn't? Zelda's had the same basic story for several years now in several games -- why is that passable when EA Tiburon's probably been changing just as much? Madden's changes are yearly and more gradual, but compare a Madden from 2003 to a Madden from 2006 -- or from 1998 to 2003. More importantly, where is Sony doing this or encouraging this milking to warrant the hatred to be placed with them? Last I looked, Sony had to be coaxed by fans to even make a spiritual successor to Ico and Mark of Kri, with Ico being the biggest artistic leap (yet commercial failure) of that generation, and Mark of Kri coming pretty close too. I don't think anybody brought as many new franchises to the table last gen as Sony did, and certainly nobody is looking to approach that with this generation.

i dont hate Sony or PS. i like quite a few stuff on there. i just felt the industry was losing its soul because of the audience that the PS name attracted.

Like I said, Playstation has been host to some of the biggest artistic leaps forward for videogames that were also commercial disasters, yet no other platform invited those kinds of games in the least. Much more respectable than simply admitting videogames are toys and marketing them like that, if you ask me.

[Kabbage]

Honestly if Sony moves enough units to keep getting games and not pull a Dreamcast on me... then I don't care if they sell more units than everyone else.

[Rip3001]

i dont hate the playstation brand because its king.

i hate the people who think they're cool who got sucked into buying a PS because the marketing they saw told them it was cool.

and then i hated them even more when they continued to buy rehashed games (i mean EA sports same thing each year rehash not the Nintendo style rehash) causing developers to continually rehash or clone the popular games because it made them money.

i dont hate Sony or PS. i like quite a few stuff on there. i just felt the industry was losing its soul because of the audience that the PS name attracted.

just so you know, i was generalising so dont get angry if you arent that kind of person. i expect that those kinds of people dont usually browse internet gaming forums.

What you're saying sounds like every game produced on the NES, SNES, and Genesis was pure gaming gold. Each game was innovative and never attempted to copy another game's success...and that's just plain wrong.

Sony didn't "ruin" the game industry...that's just...:splitspin.

[Generosity of God]

that could besaid about 360 and especaily the Wii360 yes but Wii isnt being marketed as cool. its marketed as fun for everyone. anyways i wasnt talking about these days i was talking about all those years ago when "cool" people started gaming because of clever marketing.

EA is NOT Sony and everything EA on playstation can be found on 360 as well, and the Wii now as welldidnt say EA was Sony. and the EA complete rehashes didnt start taking off until these "cool" people started buying them every year. the same "cool" people who happened to have bought a PS. you're defending Sony when i'm not even attacking them.

Double standard? One rehash is okay but the other isn't? Zelda's had the same basic story for several years now in several games -- why is that passable when EA Tiburon's probably been changing just as much? Madden's changes are yearly and more gradual, but compare a Madden from 2003 to a Madden from 2006 -- or from 1998 to 2003. More importantly, where is Sony doing this or encouraging this milking to warrant the hatred to be placed with them? Last I looked, Sony had to be coaxed by fans to even make a spiritual successor to Ico and Mark of Kri, with Ico being the biggest artistic leap (yet commercial failure) of that generation, and Mark of Kri coming pretty close too. I don't think anybody brought as many new franchises to the table last gen as Sony did, and certainly nobody is looking to approach that with this generation.
firstly EA comes out with the same game every year with a the slightest of changes and they will continue to do so because people are content with paying the same amount of money for those slight changes. the Zelda games dont come out every year. they do have similar stories yes but that's because its a Legend and Legends are usually the same basic story but with different circumstances depending on who is telling it. notice how Zelda has never been more than 2 times on the same console. Nintendo have taken alot more time with their games to make the gameplay changes in them more noticable. you can spend $50 for a Zelda that came out 3 years after its predecessor or you can spend $150 on 3 EA sports games because you buy it each year (like too many people do). the changes may amount the same over the years but look how much you spend for it. there is a difference between the rehashes. and it costs EA fans alot more than its worth.

and i didnt say Sony is encouraging it. i said the fans are the reason for it because they continually buy the rehashes.

Like I said, Playstation has been host to some of the biggest artistic leaps forward for videogames that were also commercial disasters, yet no other platform invited those kinds of games in the least. Much more respectable than simply admitting videogames are toys and marketing them like that, if you ask me.
Like i said i dont hate PS or Sony. your defending when i'm not attacking them.

developers could take those artistic leaps because Playstation had the bigger user base for the developers to sell to. the Playstation platform didnt invite those games, it was the userbase that enticed developers to create on the PS.

What you're saying sounds like every game produced on the NES, SNES, and Genesis was pure gaming gold. Each game was innovative and never attempted to copy another game's success...and that's just plain wrong.

Sony didn't "ruin" the game industry...that's just....
now you're just putting words in my mouth. just take the words i said as they are. dont try to twist them to make me sound worse than i already do.

those consoles were the early days of gaming. although there was alot of copying, innovation was also running rampant. the difference between then and now is that now days, developers are only allowed to take risks with innovation if publishers have spare cash reserves to burn. back then developers were alot more free to innovate even though there was a much smaller audience to make money from.

[VideoGame mania]

By the way, it's 13 years PS launched in 1994

[LiquidEagle]

EA's rehashes may not have taken off (even though Madden football started as a series in 1989...), but there were all kinds of uninspired and terrible licensed games on the SNES, Genesis, NES, Master System, all of it. We just remember less of it. Sony opened up the videogaming market as a valid entertainment and artistic medium when the time was right, and did the whole industry a favor. Games got more complex, and finally an RPG was really brought into the mainstream. Games did get marketed as cool, and hell, they were cool. Should companies or gamers really think that games are just for nerds? Sony brought games to the masses and did it without sacrificing any kind of integrity they had -- in fact games probably hit their high point in that generation. That's something I don't think Nintendo is doing when they market the Wii as a simple toy for people of all ages -- it's demeaning to something that means a lot to me. So given the two approaches, I stand by Sony's, and either way you're going to have rehashes -- I don't think Sony should be held any more responsible than anybody else for that kind of garbage.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Lots of good points here,about the xbox and nintendo fans hating on PS3.its obvious they know PS3 is the best they are afraid PS3 will destroy the competention even with a high price console and all this internet hate, just like the PS1 killed nintendo 64 and it made record sales,more then 100 million PS1 sold no other gaming comnpany in history has achive such goal.
hahahaha

like i said they are so insecure about their own systems they need to put down the competition,and also well alot of nostalgia from old gamers praying nintendo and hating on Sony.
I find this especially funny because recent interviews have Sony and MS paying out everyone and telling everyone how awesome they are, but when Satoru Iwata was asked "how do you feel now that Nintendo is on top?" he said that he doesnt believe Nintendo is on top because theyll always challenge the normal conventions and all that jazz.

Youre the one paying out Nintendo and MS because youre insecure about, and afraid of, Sony's possible downfall.

edit: *didnt read vipers post*

[LiquidEagle]

Youre the one paying out Nintendo and MS because youre insecure about, and afraid of, Sony's possible downfall.

I think there is some insecurity in people about that, but it's also that Sony's been on the defensive for a long time and has undergone an amount of scrutiny Nintendo and Microsoft have luckily not. The moment Sony says anything positive or negative about anything, people are ready to jump down their throats for what they have to say, or their word choice, or how they form their sentences, or what kind of accent they have, etc. It's gotten very ridiculous and as somebody who is a big fan of Sony and the things they produce, I have a very low tolerance for it myself. It doesn't mean I lash out at people who like other consoles, but I do think there's a very uneven, lack of balance between what anti-Sony/PS3 people are dishing out (from Nintendo, Microsoft, Press, and those 2 Sega fans sitting in the back) and what they're taking. As if Sony did them wrong somehow or gravely insulted them, people are overcome with negativity towards them.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Paying out" here, cube...but I think Sony have done well to be respectful to competition, and I've never seen them play dirty or make inappropriate comments. They made a system they should be proud of, and if they want it to sell at all they'll keep that image regardless of what's going on. Also, they've been on the defensive probably even before the price was announced, but when the price was announced it was as if they were digging up pet cemeteries in order to perform experiments on peoples' beloved pets or something. People went into an absolute conniption and still haven't let up, despite the fact that PS3 is the biggest bargain for its buck.

And if you think Nintendo isn't getting full of themselves as perceived innovators of all innovation, I beg to differ, but that's for another time & another place, if any at all.

[jaxmkii]

this thread sux and its flame bait. time to close

[Generosity of God]

EA's rehashes may not have taken off (even though Madden football started as a series in 1989...), but there were all kinds of uninspired and terrible licensed games on the SNES, Genesis, NES, Master System, all of it. We just remember less of it. Sony opened up the videogaming market as a valid entertainment and artistic medium when the time was right, and did the whole industry a favor. Games got more complex, and finally an RPG was really brought into the mainstream. Games did get marketed as cool, and hell, they were cool. Should companies or gamers really think that games are just for nerds? Sony brought games to the masses and did it without sacrificing any kind of integrity they had -- in fact games probably hit their high point in that generation. That's something I don't think Nintendo is doing when they market the Wii as a simple toy for people of all ages -- it's demeaning to something that means a lot to me. So given the two approaches, I stand by Sony's, and either way you're going to have rehashes -- I don't think Sony should be held any more responsible than anybody else for that kind of garbage.

did Nintendo ever say it's a toy? no. just because its not a complete home entertainment system in one casing doesnt make it a toy. just because Nintendo have created a fun way for anyone to play doesnt make it a toy. just because it doesnt have the highest specs and is priced low doesnt make it a toy.

if you care to listen to some of the talks of the Nintendo higher ups, you would know that they are trying to break the sterotypes of video games. Sony started it by targeting "cool" people. but i dont think that broke the stereotype. i'd say it just changed it. Nintendo are trying to do it now by targeting everyone else.

just because i said i dont like the "cool" people doesnt mean i want gaming to be for nerds. i just said the industry was losing its soul because it catered too much to them.

i want games to be for everyone but how can everyone get into it if most of the games are created and marketed for a particular group of people?

Sony may have made gaming cool but the benefits from that are spoiled by the industry having to cater to the new crowd. i dont blame Sony for the bad things about gaming these days. i blame the industry as a whole for not realising how bad it would get when they started going down the path they chose.

the industry would be better if it catered to everyone but most gamers fear how Nintendo are trying to bring every kind of person into gaming because those gamers think that their games will be overrun by games targeted at new/non-gamers. but they dont realise that Nintendo arent trying to change the entire audience, they are just bringing new people into it. traditional style games will still be around, so why fear having a larger variety of games?

there are only three things i'd like to praise Sony for:

- expanding the audience from just kids(even though i didnt like alot of the new audience)
- singstar
- eye-toy

however i think the first would have happened with or without Sony because its the kids who played games in the beginning who are now making the new games that cater to the older audience.

i think i've gone on too long and far off track. all thise because i hate the kind of people who started playing games because it was "cool".

[venomv]

this thread sux and its flame bait. time to close

I second that motion.

[[[tavis]]]

this thread sux and its flame bait. time to close


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[Zer0-Sum]

I second that motion.

I third it....:whogives:

[curryking1]

I guess this saying applies here as well... and to Yao Ming.

"No one loves the giant"

Are you on crack? Everyone love Yao Ming, save for a few very select folk who are either racist or actually have some normal reason to just not like him.

[venomv]

Yeah, Yao is the exception.

[³¹¹]

nil

You remind me of that guy that got banned for misuse of the Report Post button.

[curryking1]

Yeah, Yao is the exception.

Uhh no, not just him lol. Chris Bosh and Bargnani are getting MAD love right now, same with Dwight Howard. And as always, Shaq, Nowitzki, KG, TD, Amare, etc etc etc who are quite cherished universally.

But btw, Chris Bosh and Dwight Howard = my favourite NBA players right now. And, yes, they are bigs, like I 'alluded' to before. They truly deserve their credit with how they take their fame and talent in stride, and are people deserving of respect because they give it too. They are my favourite of the athletes who ar regarded as very famous. P.S. I love the whole Raptors team.