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BruceWayneIII
02-18-2007, 07:23 PM
IGN has a great small article about the AIAS presidents view on the Capcom controversy and the behaviour of the gaming media.

Joseph Olin: In the Eye of the Storm

AIAS President discusses the Capcom awards controversy and the immaturity of the media.
by Hilary Goldstein

February 16, 2007 - Games are serious business. The rebellious youths who once made games out of their garages have grown up to become respectable businesspeople. The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences was founded ten years ago to promote games as a valid art form and help ease the games industry into maturity. It is AIAS President Joseph Olin's hope that the gaming Academy will one day be spoken of with the same reverence as the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and that games can be seen as equally worthy story devices as movies.

The AIAS is a games industry support group best known for organizing the annual DICE Summit and for hosting the Interactive Achievement Awards. This year, Gears of War walked away with eight awards in a relatively uneventful ceremony. But Olin and the Academy did not escape DICE without facing some tough questions about the exclusion of non-Academy members from the awards process.

Olin and the AIAS have faced controversy over the past two years due to the exclusion of Resident Evil 4 and Okami in the final awards votes. The Academy requires that in order to be listed as a finalist, a publisher must be an Academy member. Capcom has publicly called this nothing more than buying an award. Last year, the controversy received added fuel when the man behind AIAS Game of the Year winner God of War, David Jaffe, told the crowd at DICE, "Thank God for Capcom. We're probably going to be able to pick up some awards tonight."

"The issue of Capcom's participation in the [awards] is an election by Capcom not to be a member of the Academy," Olin told IGN. "Most of the other professional organizations [in other mediums] have membership fees and awards participation fees. Ours are minimal. End of story. They should not be a hurdle. It would be unfair to all the other publishers, all the other developers, all the independent game makers who have been Academy members for [up to] ten years... to let Capcom ."

Though Resident Evil 4 was left off last year's ballot due to Capcom's decision not to pay the Academy's membership fees, Okami never made it to the final round of voting for this year's awards. "Capcom's titles are part of the process," Olin said, defending the Academy's awards rules. "The peer panelists, of which we have close to 400, determine which games they want to recognize. It's not like we give them a list of games they must award. Okami was considered this year... Okami did not make it as a finalist in some of the key categories this year as determined by the voters. It wasn't determined by rule. If it had been named a finalist, Capcom would [then be asked to become a member of the Academy]."

Capcom's awards gripe was overshadowed at last week's DICE Summit by ESA founder and former President Doug Lowenstein's public declaration of his pet peeves. Lowenstein's two primary complaints about the games industry regarded publishers who run from the controversy they created and the gaming media, which Lowenstein termed "immature."

"I think the important message is that we have a responsibility to stand up for our work," Olin said, acknowledging the validity of Lowenstein's frustrations at publishers who don't stand their ground. "I think anyone should be able to create the games they want to make, but if it is deemed controversial by the media and by consumers, then we owe people the ability to stand up and say 'I did it for this reason.'"

[B]Olin also understands Lowenstein's take on the media. "I think it's time to expand on how we celebrate games and how we bring games to a larger audience," Olin said about all those media outlets that, unlike IGN, are, like, totally immature. "I think as the industry has matured, as games have matured, as game makers have matured, we'd like our media to be able to join the ride with us. I don't think that's an unfair goal."




I especially like the last paragraph. He really sums up my entire experience with the gaming media. :clap:

LiquidEagle
02-18-2007, 07:30 PM
Unfortunately for IGN, I'm sure they're definitely on that list of terrible and immature gaming media outlets.

VG Aficionado
02-18-2007, 07:52 PM
Unfortunately for IGN, I'm sure they're definitely on that list of terrible and immature gaming media outlets.Indeed.

curryking1
02-18-2007, 08:10 PM
Damn mofoing straight on that last paragraph, jeez. Too bad it's gonna be a struggle...

Also, there isn't one 'mature' gaming site. To think there is is absolute lunacy. I would've onced called GS the most mature site, but after that Zelda debacle, where they actually replied to criticism of their review and felt the need to defend it.. and various other things... stfu GS, you suck balls.

EvilTaru
02-18-2007, 08:24 PM
Isn't Hilary Goldstein a GUY?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Anyway, Capcom shouldn't even care about being left off some silly award, the moment they start whining about it, they're giving the award legitimacy, if they thought they've made a great game, why should it even matter what the media thought? They should not give the gaming media any sort of leverage, if anything the media should be the one bending over just so Capcom would send them a review copy.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Zer0-Sum
02-18-2007, 08:47 PM
Unfortunately for IGN, I'm sure they're definitely on that list of terrible and immature gaming media outlets.

Hell they are just above Joystiq and Kotaku! So what have they got to say? I got to Gamasutra for my editorials and intelligent discourse, not IGN. That and here. This is the ONLY posting board I can stomach besides Beyond3d's forum and I don't post there.

I do agree with the Olin though, the media iin games needs to mature a lot. Too much FUD spreading and fanboisim that makes them look like fools.

Z
02-18-2007, 08:50 PM
Isn't Hilary Goldstein a GUY?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Anyway, Capcom shouldn't even care about being left off some silly award, the moment they start whining about it, they're giving the award legitimacy, if they thought they've made a great game, why should it even matter what the media thought? They should not give the gaming media any sort of leverage, if anything the media should be the one bending over just so Capcom would send them a review copy.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

well said.

Zer0-Sum
02-18-2007, 08:53 PM
Also, there isn't one 'mature' gaming site. To think there is is absolute lunacy. I would've onced called GS the most mature site, but after that Zelda debacle, where they actually replied to criticism of their review and felt the need to defend it.. and various other things... stfu GS, you suck balls.

I agree as well. What does Capcom have to care. Like their game sales will go up or down on the merit of some award. Res Evil 5 will sell millions no matter what. Same with DMC4. Capcom shouldn't give a crap.

Z
02-18-2007, 09:35 PM
that is why I like more technical and overall industry news about the gaming world rather than reading 'articles' about games that use phrases like 'the controls are tight' and 'this game is hot'.

I like sites like Gamasutra, Next-Gen.biz, Gamesindustry.biz and the likes- though the last two do have their flukes every now and then.

Chris Metal
02-18-2007, 09:38 PM
I would say the site I work for(not KillzoneGame.com btw) is mature , but well what you expect me to say... ;)

Sephiroth_VII
02-18-2007, 09:50 PM
EDGE is the only mature gaming publication, IMHO.

yella
02-18-2007, 11:11 PM
I prefer Play's online setup myself...

At the end of the day, it's all a matter of personal preference.Same thing goes for forums.

I mean, i've seen a lot of other forums(GAF and the aforementioned Beyon3D are the ones i view most frequently), but this is the one that fits my personal style, not to mention seems as level headed as forums get these days.

That however, is just how I see it...

I'm sure there are others that see these sites in a light positive enough for them to be popular enough to stay as they are, don't you think? :)

Zer0-Sum
02-18-2007, 11:28 PM
EDGE is the only mature gaming publication, IMHO.

Uh, Gamasutra??? Does that count?