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Fats
03-03-2007, 02:21 AM
By all appearances, the migration from Microsoft Windows to Novell SUSE Linux on the server and the desktop at the Windsor Unified School District in Northern California has been almost as pain-free as any IT professional could hope for.

By this summer, all 5,000 students and 250 teachers will be working off of a Linux-based thin client running OpenOffice.org, and the majority of the district's servers will be running Novell SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.

Closing Windows

Heather Carver, brought on as the director of technology and information services at Windsor in August 2006, said her hiring was a result of the district's desire to vet alternatives to a Windows upgrade for its network of seven schools.

When Carver arrived, Windsor had an aging Microsoft Windows environment running on 70 Hewlett-Packard and Dell servers spread across seven schools. Upgrades would have meant purchasing more powerful hardware and additional licensing costs totaling $100,000 – far too expensive for their limited IT budget, she said.

That said, Carver still investigated ways to remain on Windows, but an upgrade proved impossible. "We looked at keeping the physical environment, and how we could accomplish that. But in that scenario, if we could afford the software upgrades, then we could not afford the new hardware required to run it and vice versa," she said.

With Windows ruled out, Carver decided to standardize on SUSE Linux Enterprise Server with thin-client desktops running SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop. Novell won out because of what Carver perceived as better support for the thin client desktops she planned to use in the classrooms and faculty areas.

Using Wyse terminals, the district also planned to offer students and staff thin-client desktops running OpenOffice.org. Ericom software – a Citrix alternative -- enabled the terminals to run the district's existing and irreplaceable Microsoft Windows educational applications, including Type to Learn, Reading Counts and Kid Pix.

The migration officially began in January at the Brooks school building, one of seven schools in the district that would serve as the testing environment for the project. ZENworks, Novell's systems management product, was also installed to serve as a central management and monitoring hub for the other six sites when they go online this summer.

Identity hiccup

Windsor did go over a few speed bumps in the migration to Linux involving managing user identities and authentication. For Carver, the ID issues were not debilitating enough to deter her from making the switch from Windows to SUSE, but the issue was still noticeable.

Specifically, custom scripts had to be developed to perform tasks such as granting faculty access privileges to student grade information, for example. These tasks had to be completed locally on a server-by-server basis. "We had to add all the system's users one-by-one," Carver said. "That's a pain when you have 500 users."

This problem was especially apparent on the thin clients she had set up in classrooms and teacher workstations. "At our Brooks facility, the OS wasn't that easy to manipulate for our thin clients," Carver said. "I love the OS, but it is not built for the thin client."

Carver said Novell promised more identity support during the summer in the form of a software update.

Linux thrives

Ultimately, though, the migration from Windows to Linux progressed quite smoothly.

"Each site has a server room with 10 servers," Carver said, for a total of 70 servers running applications like file and print, plus Novell's ZENworks and GroupWise for collaboration.

In particular, implementing ZENworks as a help desk for teachers and staff has resulted in a 90% reduction in the amount of time it takes IT staff to resolve problems. "We basically had no help desk before, but in the new system, each user has a distinct name and log-in credentials. Most places have that already, I know," she said.

The new setup also allows for better remote management. "[With Windows] we had spent half our time driving around; we had to touch every machine," Carver said. In a school system like Windsor, all that driving was costing an already strapped IT department too many resources.

Carver said it cost the district about $2,500 per school to migrate to Linux, compared with the estimated $100,000 it would have cost to upgrade their Windows infrastructure. In addition, buying more Microsoft Office licenses would have cost the district $100 per license, she said, whereas OpenOffice was free.

Linux as a learning tool

Ultimately, moving to Linux has enabled the Windsor School District to build out technology capabilities that wouldn't have been possible with Windows.

"[The students] are able to do more because Linux cost less," Carver said. "Our new computer lab [at Brooks] was set to cost $35,000 and ended up costing us $16,000 with Linux [on thin clients]."

And the kids love it too. "The kids think Linux is cool because it's new, but what they're really doing is stepping into the 21st century," Carver said.

Source (http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1245710,00.html)

Pretty awesome news if you ask me, the amount of money that they've saved is quite something.

Lucent Beam
03-03-2007, 02:27 AM
Sounds cool.
And yeah, the money part is a HUGE deal!

Lets Gekiga In
03-03-2007, 02:32 AM
Sounds cool.
And yeah, the money part is a HUGE deal!

Linux is cool! :) :)

Garfunkel
03-03-2007, 03:18 AM
Very good move, it is a step into the right direction, i don't agree with their choice of Suse but whatever floats their boat. Unfortunately with the new partnership between Suse and MS this is not really what it seems, it's not as big as i'd hoped. Just look up the agreement to see what i mean.

But it's extremely good for the schools financially, hopefully this will convince other school admins to switch, if money is tight this will be a dream come true. The department of education and training here in NSW is thinking about switching too because our schools are dilapidated and need money (but i can assure you it's all a ploy to get MS to lower their licensing costs and not to support Linux/open source).

I'm also delighted that the kids enjoy it, i've been telling my school to switch because it's a bit unfair when you have assignments that you must complete which need windows/ms office yet they are not free and not everyone has a copy, it's unfair that they assume you use windows. almost illegal. But if they move to Linux and use Open Office they won't have this problem, because it is free, the kids can download it or get a disc for free, especially if the school offers it themselves, that way the kids don't have an excuse.

Anyway, I'm glad the kids are enjoying open source, because soon windows won't be there to blind them.

Krad
03-03-2007, 05:27 AM
About time some school district had the balls to switch. That whole district will be a guinea pig. I'll be very interested in how the students actually react to it in the long term field.

Although this is great for the schools, you know if even one more school does this, in my opinion, Microsoft is going to go fully beast mode and revise and do another major business reconstruction. Which I would love, hopefully while William is still with the company full time. Microsoft has taken a lot of punches lately, but they're a good company, they'll jump back in, in no time.

On other thoughts, the boost *nix in general will be somewhat minimal. Until another school does this, most schools are going to brush it off. Sometimes a domino is set too far from the others. But the boost it will give *nix in user base will be significant. And even more if the school starts to support it "full time" and give students free CDs with everything they need to install on their computers.

Garfunkel
03-03-2007, 07:18 AM
^exactly, this may not be big news, but it is happening a lot lately, lots of organisations and cities are switching, the most literal Indian state, the french Gov, maybe (but almost certainly no) the DET of Australia (our IT industry is so far behind the rest of the world i would eat my hat if that happened), US schools...et cetera.

Chain reaction, it brings a new meaning to the domino theory.....except his time socialism, not communism.

Khaos
03-03-2007, 05:55 PM
Yeah, why SUSE? Isn't Edubuntu stream-tailored just for educational situations like this?

Phoenix
03-03-2007, 08:14 PM
My school is switching all their Macs to PCs. Instead of spending the money to get a decent network, they spent the money to go from sucky Macs to sucky PCs. The worst part of it is that you can't do anything on them. You can't right-click, you can't change the desktop at all, and you can't browse the internet with anything but Internet Explorer 7. For some odd reason, you can't even use tabs with IE7, which makes the "Firefox is Satan" rule even worse.

One step forward, one step backwards for non-Windows computers in school, it seems.

Carlos
03-03-2007, 10:43 PM
My school is switching all their Macs to PCs. Instead of spending the money to get a decent network, they spent the money to go from sucky Macs to sucky PCs. The worst part of it is that you can't do anything on them. You can't right-click, you can't change the desktop at all, and you can't browse the internet with anything but Internet Explorer 7. For some odd reason, you can't even use tabs with IE7, which makes the "Firefox is Satan" rule even worse.

One step forward, one step backwards for non-Windows computers in school, it seems.
I know the pain. Its even worse when its in a library, they have a decent network, decent "desktop" system, and even their own custom IP address. You can't download images you need to use for anything on the net; even though that there's a file for media (like notepad files), there's even a USB port, and you NEED the technican's help to get it working well. Talk about uncomfortable.

I can't do half the work I'm trying to do. Good thing my computer's going to be fixed very soon.

Garfunkel
03-04-2007, 12:21 AM
in my school system, we need to PAY 4 dollars AUD or something to retrieve accounts after they have "accidentally" been removed. Has happened to my thrice. AND IT"S A PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!

schools just have no idea.

Teh Roxor!
03-04-2007, 02:19 AM
Our high school computers were pretty good. There were restrictions and blocked websites(google images... wtf?), but I could get work done on them pretty well. They all had Windows XP on them when I left, except the computer graphics lab had Macs.

I would have loved to use Linux in my Computer Science class. We were using bluej for java development anyway.

Khaos
03-05-2007, 03:47 AM
When I was in Korea, the schools were run by the government (like any other schools on military bases) so they had to go thru DoD web filters. What a humongous pain in ass. Wikipedia was blocked, along with 99% of the internet. We used encrypted proxys so much... haha.

Then the school's filtering went down, and I guess they replaced it with a non DoD one, because alot of things went thru. You would barely get blocked at all.

kaphwan
03-05-2007, 04:46 AM
I remember being 12 years old and not getting right click or any properties.

We just haxored our way into getting all that crap and made extra accounts for ourselves as power users.

Linux for schools = good too.

Teh Roxor!
03-05-2007, 03:40 PM
Haha, a few of my friends and myself made a very simple VB app that would allow us to browse the machines at our school and execute anything regardless of permissions. I was able to open regedit, user controls, the control panel... I didn't really do anything with it though, it was just a proof of concept for us. One of my friends used it to play that stupid pinball game that comes with Windows XP. Because of this, he got caught and got written up for "hacking."

kaphwan
03-05-2007, 04:54 PM
Heh, yeah, our systems admin was so new at life.

You know that login script that denies permissions one by one? He had that running in a window for about half a second for all logins.

*clicks the little x*

Then he made it run as a process but didn't block ctrl-alt-delete so "bam enter" in half a second or so and you're right.

Good times. I like how Windows Media Player was blocked but if I renamed it Windows Media Player1 it would work :tardbang:

This is on-topic because with a linux-based system none of these things would work...

Garfunkel
03-06-2007, 04:46 AM
This is on-topic because with a linux-based system none of these things would work...

Right you are there buddy.

Funnily enough, i managed to be able to access regedit at our school by using hijack this to disable the lock on regedit. once in regedit, the world was my oyster. i didn't do anything but it was a proof of concept.

and that's why registry's are dumb, thank god Linux doesn't use them.

i might fiddle around in Python and see if i can do anything even more intrusive later on.

I do find it distressing that some of you are paying out windows for it's obvious flaws and and are saying good things about Linux but seemingly haven't tried it! GIVE IT A GO!

Carlos
03-08-2007, 11:57 PM
in my school system, we need to PAY 4 dollars AUD or something to retrieve accounts after they have "accidentally" been removed. Has happened to my thrice. AND IT"S A PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Try printing at a public library, where you have to pay a dollar a paper each time you print. If you don't, it goes on your library card, and this will give you a invoice in the mail.
When I was in Korea, the schools were run by the government (like any other schools on military bases) so they had to go thru DoD web filters. What a humongous pain in ass. Wikipedia was blocked, along with 99% of the internet. We used encrypted proxys so much... haha..
Ouch, you got it bad. My college blocked myspace, MSN, and other big sites.

Garfunkel
03-09-2007, 05:39 AM
thing is, it's a public school, in australia, your not supposed to pay for anything outside tax.

Silent Warrior
03-12-2007, 07:36 PM
this is good news. the more linux the better.

Garfunkel
03-13-2007, 05:36 AM
so you still use ubuntu silent? glad you've put up with it for so long, once you learn the basics, which you have already done the road gets much easier.