Nintendo react to HOME

[cliffbo]

Following Sony's announcement of its new online community software, PS Home, Nintendo has gone on the offensive, deeming the service "an example of Sony's 'Mii-too' approach."

When asked of the company's thoughts on Sony's online plans, Nintendo told CVG: "This is an example of Sony's "Mii-too" approach. But as Mr. Miyamoto states, Nintendo years ago considered and rejected the type of approach Sony is now taking", presumably referring to creating a virtual online world.

Just in case you missed it, PS3 Home allows players to create their own character, like a 3D avatar, and take it into a realistic online virtual world to interact with PS3 gamers from around the globe.

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Nintendo's equivalent avatar system, the Mii Channel, lets gamers make simple cartoon-style characters and save them onto the Wii's internal memory. These Miis can then be imported into games for gameplay, or sent to other Wii consoles via the internet.

Nintendo has clearly opted for a simpler approach - although some say the lack of customisation options make it a bit too basic.

But Nintendo is pleased with it's avatar system, saying: "Miis have become a cultural phenomenon in their own right, appealing well beyond the traditional core gamer audience, and the process of populating them across the Wii universe is just beginning."

3D avatars and real time interaction could become a huge aspect of gaming with the current generation of consoles. But will Microsoft join the party with their own PS3 Home or Mii equivalent?

Xbox Live subscribers have been interacting with each other since the online gaming service launched almost five years ago. Have Sony and Nintendo seen the success the platform achieved and now want a piece of the action?

We're speaking to some very important people at Microsoft later today at GDC and we'll put it to them.

Sony has created some really exciting stuff with PS3 Home. If you guys haven't seen the impressive PS3 Home software in action, check out the teaser trailer now, then have a read of our first hands-on preview.

LOL... and i thought that type of response was restricted to forum members... priceless

[satriales]

I don't get why everyone is comparing Home to Nintendo's mii's. The idea of creating an avatar is not something that Nintendo invented for the wii, it has been around for years and is a natural progression for the PS3.

[Coded-Dude]

They wanted to create "the most entertainment for the most users" with the controller. "We felt we were in a long tunnel with no light at the end." Finally they decided to mimic a TV remote.


wait...so you mimic successful trends to....! OMGWTFBBQ!

[cliffbo]

I don't get why everyone is comparing Home to Nintendo's mii's. The idea of creating an avatar is not something that Nintendo invented for the wii, it has been around for years and is a natural progression for the PS3.

exactly and how can it be a reaction to Mii!? what they knocked it up over night lol

[Mach]

Guys, does the vitriolic fanatical attacks have to be so widespread in this thread?

Regardless of what some nameless Nintendo rep said, E-mpire forums should not contribute to outrageous company bashing.

[solidsnakejej]

they've been working on it s before e305
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=14848&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

[VideoGame mania]

years ago ? lol Nintendo is like 20 years behind MS and Sony.

[LiquidEagle]

exactly and how can it be a reaction to Mii!? what they knocked it up over night lol

:lol:

my thoughts exactly. Avatars have been around for ages, and obviously Sony's spent quite a bit of time on this project.

[cliffbo]

Guys, does the vitriolic fanatical attacks have to be so widespread in this thread?

Regardless of what some nameless Nintendo rep said, E-mpire forums should not contribute to outrageous company bashing.

i think the reactions are important Mach and you've got to admit the reaction is quite childish. i'm sure when Sony respond to anything its posted in the reletive threads... surely

no-one seemed to say anything negative about the Wii outsells PS3 thread! we can't have double standards here

if this thread is closed then what does that tell you about some mods who have said nothing about the Wii outsells PS3 thread... it will be clear as day!

[ddaryl]

nintendo needs to stop sucking its thumb.

[LiquidEagle]

they've been working on it s before e305
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=14848&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

:laugh:

I wonder if that guy is patting himself on the back now after all the doubters were proven wrong, 2 years later

[Mach]

There's a difference between Sony fans discussing a fact that Wii outsold PS3 in Japan and resorting to immature attacks like
"Nintendo needs to stop sucking its thumb"
"Nintendo is like 20 years behind MS and Sony." etc


What I'd like to see is more intellectual thoughtful critiques and rebuttals using facts, logic, and reason. Thats the kind of stuff Im used to seeing in many threads of the PS3 forums.

[Lucent Beam]

I think Nintendo needs to stop patting themselves on the back. They are probably just pissed that Sony is going to one up them yet again. If Nintendo is all about "innovation" in the gaming industry, then they should be GLAD when a company expands and enhances on ideas.

[curryking1]

What's the difference?

What did you expect them to say? That they are happy for Sony and think people will get a great value in buying the PS3?

It's just PR, fohged ahbout iit.

I think Nintendo needs to stop patting themselves on the back. They are probably just pissed that Sony is going to one up them yet again. If Nintendo is all about "innovation" in the gaming industry, then they should be GLAD when a company expands and enhances on ideas.

A good point, but remember, they are still competing with each other. They are both trying to do things in their own way. They don't need to feel 'glad' when a competitor has a cool feature, which goes both ways.

A third party that is into 'innovation,' I would only expect someone who has mutual gain relationships with Sony and Ninty to praise both. They won't praise each other, it's just not in the nature of competitive business at this stage and at this calibre and when THIS much money is on the line.

Always remember, just PR. It's 'objectivity' is worth almost nothing, and even less when they're talking about each other.

[cliffbo]

There's a difference between Sony fans discussing a fact that Wii outsold PS3 in Japan and resorting to immature attacks like
"Nintendo needs to stop sucking its thumb"
"Nintendo is like 20 years behind MS and Sony." etc


What I'd like to see is more intellectual thoughtful critiques and rebuttals using facts, logic, and reason. Thats the kind of stuff Im used to seeing in many threads of the PS3 forums.

i have to agree with that Mach fair enough

[Viper]

PR speak isn't limited to Sony and MS.

Notice how the author says, "presumably referring to creating a virtual online world." That's very poor journalism. You don't assume jack. If you don't know what they mean, frikkin ask. It's the job of a journalist to ask.

[Lucent Beam]

A good point, but remember, they are still competing with each other. They are both trying to do things in their own way. They don't need to feel 'glad' when a competitor has a cool feature, which goes both ways.

A third party that is into 'innovation,' I would only expect someone who has mutual gain relationships with Sony and Ninty to praise both. They won't praise each other, it's just not in the nature of competitive business at this stage and at this calibre and when THIS much money is on the line.



That's exactly what I mean. When it comes right down to it, production of game consoles is about making money, yet Nintendo usually tries to present itself as a saint in a crusade for games... but really, if they didn't think they would make money, then they'd just stop. My problem is that Nintendo goes on and on as if they just want what's best for 'the gaming world' when really it's all just business... and in terms of business, they can whine if they want about Sony taking/expanding ideas, but in reality, it's good for the entire industry.

[OnBake Platinum]

Online is just going to be full of assholes no matter how you present it. It would be cool if it was exactly the way they showed in the video, but you know everyone is going to be running around naked cussing and being a jackass.

[Viper]

^That's what i started envisioning after thinking about it. Picture Xbox Live with avatars.

[Mach]

It reminds me of Second Life. And I heard all that happens in Second Life is simulated fornication.

But still, I have high hopes.

[satriales]

I think that's the main point of each having your own private house. You can just hang out with your friends and you won't have to listen to all the idiots in the lounge.

[Mach]

E-mpire will host parties of course......at frosty's home.

[curryking1]

That's a very good point.

Hopefully many mature people can start logging on, and they will have people to punish those who abuse the grant to communicate on it.

If this hits big with more people and the PS3 can go ever further beyond the traditional gaming demographic, we might see some nicer results too.

[n1n9tean]

but you know everyone is going to be running around naked cussing and being a jackass.

Okay, by "everyone" you really just mean your 'Koopa Klan' don't you?

Be honest.

[Xerxes]

Wow this nameless representative sure is stupid and you wonder where Nintendo get these idiots. Anyway first it's Sony copied Nintendo with motion sensing now is this??! Come on! I don't care if Nintendo rejcted it, who cares? Their loss if Miyamoto "thought of this years ago." Please that sounds so stupid. Then he is going to say that they thought of having two joysticks on a controller long ago.

[the boney king of nowhere.]

Okay, by "everyone" you really just mean your 'Koopa Klan' don't you?

Be honest.

we are proud of what we do.

[Viper]

Xerxes, perhaps they did think of it years ago but years ago it wasn't exactly a practical ability, was it? I also mentioned the author is only assuming what they meant. The rep himself didn't say that. It could definitely have been worded better. You're also confusing something else. Nintendo never once claimed Sony stole their motion sensing idea. The media ran with that one.


This Sony Home thing is going to require some serious level of moderation. I don't know how they plan to do that though. This will raise many flags with child safety organizations.

[n1n9tean]

You know what I thought of years ago? (and I'm not making this up) A touch-sensitive scrolling input for a portable media device that builds momentum with the speed of movement (like a roulette wheel). Now Apple has patented it and incorporated it into the iPhone.

You don't see me bitching. I merely thought of it. But I failed to TAKE ACTION.

[Xerxes]

Well people are on Myspace and their parents don't care. The levels of saftey are out the window. Even if you were to put your profile on private someone would probraly just email them a friends request and most of the time they are going to accept it. And still millions of children, mostly girls even are still on Myspace. Even advocates of MySpace can't contol it. My point is, in every online community there are risks but children take them anyway and that is not going to change.

[Applefiend]

It's all nonsense isn't it. No, Nintendo did not create the concept of avatars. Not even avatars in video games.

And yeah, if anyone's getting ripped off, it's Second Life.

[frosty]

Seeing this thread reminded me of this pic I made last night. Though I am with Mach 100% on his statement that we don't need to console bash around here, as it's not healthy for either us or the industry, I still feel that this is worth a good laugh, just don't take it too seriously.

http://www.braggmitchellmansion.com/reg.jpg

[NeoPlayStation]

Nintendo invented the wheel (Mii). And Sony makes a car (HOME).

[frosty]

And guess what? That just gives nintendo all the more reason to make Mii's better! And that just gives all Wii owners reason to be exited, because sony just lit a fire under reggie and co.'s ass, so they can rest assured that they will get a better experience out of their Wii's! After all, Mii's are a software based app that can easily be upgraded after their PR stops bashing the other guy's approach.

[curryking1]

Well people are on Myspace and their parents don't care. The levels of saftey are out the window. Even if you were to put your profile on private someone would probraly just email them a friends request and most of the time they are going to accept it. And still millions of children, mostly girls even are still on Myspace. Even advocates of MySpace can't contol it. My point is, in every online community there are risks but children take them anyway and that is not going to change.

This is a videogame target though, something spells danger about it there lol. I really hope Sony will make a considerable effort in keeping the environment 'clean.'

As long as they have installed features that they can say 'prevent' things like abusing the system, then they'll have an easier time I guess.

[Viper]

Xeres, Myspace IS moderated. Try posting porn on it, go ahead, see what happens.


Frosty, that's hilarious. I think he might be scaring people into buying the Wii.

[Xerxes]

This is a videogame target though, something spells danger about it there lol. I really hope Sony will make a considerable effort in keeping the environment 'clean.'

As long as they have installed features that they can say 'prevent' things like abusing the system, then they'll have an easier time I guess.

Maybe an age based system??--No scratch that--maybe like nintendo has the friends code--nah--i don't know--maybe it's impossible, unless they copy off of Nintendo.

Parents are dumb they need to teach their kids to not give out your damn information or you will DIE!!!:)

[Xerxes]

Xeres, Myspace IS moderated. Try posting porn on it, go ahead, see what happens.


Frosty, that's hilarious. I think he might be scaring people into buying the Wii.

I just did and its still there. Sony just need to hire mods to clean up all the trash and IP Ban everyone that gives out information or uses derrogatory language.

[Sephiroth_VII]

^proof? :hugegrin:

EDIT: Oops, I forgot, no porn on E-mpire. Better not post that link, unless you want to be banned.

[frosty]

Porn doesn't last long on myspace, trust me wait until someone reports the image.

[Coded-Dude]

this is why they are doing private and public sectors....I imagine the "public" areas will be very strictly maintained, and they'll take more of a hands off approach in the "private" area(pun?...no, no pun - lol)


I should be able to create my own private party where we do nohting but sit aroudn and verbally abuse onbake damnit!
(and post pics of his mom doing illegal things)

[cliffbo]

E-mpire will host parties of course......at frosty's home.

Indeed

[curryking1]

Will there be free pizza?

[cliffbo]

well i thought of eventually replacing the virtual PSP in HOME for the real one and accessing HOME from all over the world on the PSP, but i'm not going to gripe when Sony do it...

[Lucent Beam]

That does touch on one of my concerns for Home: people being annoying as #$@%. There had better be very strict member filtering available, even just as optional so you won't have to deal with the filth of humanity.
I know in the trailer they said things like "The place to hook up!" but really, when you're hiding behind the mask of your avatar, many people give in and act like jerks.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

this is why they are doing private and public sectors....I imagine the "public" areas will be very strictly maintained, and they'll take more of a hands off approach in the "private" area(pun?...no, no pun - lol)


I should be able to create my own private party where we do nohting but sit aroudn and verbally abuse onbake damnit!
(and post pics of his mom doing illegal things)

Hands off in the private parts.:lol:

[n1n9tean]

That does touch on one of my concerns for Home: people being annoying as #$@%. There had better be very strict member filtering available, even just as optional so you won't have to deal with the filth of humanity.

Yea, they better mail out notices if we have pedophiles in the neighborhood.

[OmniCloud]

Guys, does the vitriolic fanatical attacks have to be so widespread in this thread?

Regardless of what some nameless Nintendo rep said, E-mpire forums should not contribute to outrageous company bashing.QFT

Let's keep this in context people. Nintendo is still charging this generation with innovated gameplay at the forefront. The industry certainly needs both of these companies...

[PUNK em 733]

"This is an example of Sony's "Mii-too" approach. But as Mr. Miyamoto states, Nintendo years ago considered and rejected the type of approach Sony is now taking", presumably referring to creating a virtual online world.

Prolly cause none of Nintendo's consoles are even powerful enough to push the the graphical content that HOME is projecting.

[Applefiend]

Actually, I take back the Second Life thing, the root of all this would be games likes Everquest, that's what started all this off, it's Everquest without the fighting... Well.. only with verbal fighting.

Now... Who did Everquest..... :)

[Coded-Dude]

Guys, does the vitriolic fanatical attacks have to be so widespread in this thread?

Regardless of what some nameless Nintendo rep said, E-mpire forums should not contribute to outrageous company bashing.
QFT

Let's keep this in context people. Nintendo is still charging this generation with innovated gameplay at the forefront. The industry certainly needs both of these companies...

Like when some un-named Sony rep said Wii is more fun and it got blasted all over these forums, as well as the rest of the internet...... :stirpot:

I'm not condolning anybody's actions here, although I think the statement was not in good tase.
(of course every corporation can be labeled as a finger pointer in some form/fashion - like I pointed out in my first post)

fyi - the context of a statement from which any "representative" makes, is usually misconstrued by internet users.

[hidex]

I hope the public space is moderated tightly. I got pretty annoyed at people from WoW.

[Pluto]

'Home' matchmaking sounds a lot better than the Friend Code system forced upon you by Nintendo.

They don't allow you to share your code through their official site, and unless you know someone in real life with the code to play with, you're going to be stuck joining message boards hoping to get enough players to add you.

[ Not that I'm saying it's not possible for game sessions against random players. ]

[Carlos]

A good point, but remember, they are still competing with each other. They are both trying to do things in their own way. They don't need to feel 'glad' when a competitor has a cool feature, which goes both ways.
I think everyone is forgetting why Sony and Nintendo are at it against each other.

PlayStation. Or the codename: PSX.

Nintendo backed out of [the] deal, and Sony went on to make the world's best selling console since Super Nintendo.

Sony wants to rub it in - Nintendo's face. They've been like this since PS2 launched.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

it's every pr representative's job to downplay the competition no matter how undeniably awesome they may or may not be.

[Smokey]

Online is just going to be full of assholes no matter how you present it. It would be cool if it was exactly the way they showed in the video, but you know everyone is going to be running around naked cussing and being a jackass.

my first thought too OnBake :)

[masteratt]

Nintendo years ago considered and rejected the type of approach Sony is now taking
Didn't they say that about the PS1?....hmmm lol

Nintendo sure rejects lots of great ideas ;)

PS: To be fair, he didn't react to it as such, he was ASKED about it.

[OmniCloud]

my first thought too OnBake :)
That's what private rooms are for guys....you don't have to hang out in the lobby if you don't want to. Just make your house, or someone in your friends list the meeting spot...

[Z]

Like when some un-named Sony rep said Wii is more fun and it got blasted all over these forums, as well as the rest of the internet...... :stirpot:

I'm not condolning anybody's actions here, although I think the statement was not in good tase.
(of course every corporation can be labeled as a finger pointer in some form/fashion - like I pointed out in my first post)

fyi - the context of a statement from which any "representative" makes, is usually misconstrued by internet users.
well, you know, everything goes for Mach except talking anything but total respect to his Ninty...


as for the probable social problems with Home like having people with bad manners, copy-protection issues, etc. these types of things should not and can not prevent something like Home from releasing. if we try to block such ideas for the probable 'mis-usage' of some individuals, then we should have banned other services and products from phones to internet to public schools. this requires better moderating, not banning.
if we can go back in time, I would still have approved of things like Myspace, YouTube, etc.

for those who are mentioning Ninty and MS in this discussion:
regardless of who invented what, Rev offers a 'Mii' feature where you create a simplistic cartoony character. you can use it as an avatar in soe gmes and in your profile.
MS gave us 'achievements' which is a number in your profile that shoes your accumulated points from the games you've played.
am I missing any other features of those things? if not, then I'll proceed:

Sony took 'achievements' to a different level from just a number to 3D trophies of display, wall papers to hang, posters to show off, etc.
they took the 'Mii' to a different level bu throwing it into a virtual world in an MMO type of feeling that you can use it to interact through.

and that is where the similarities end. the rest of Home (and it is quite alot) is something never achieved by any other in the gaming industry. and if it puuls it off, what we've seen is only scratching the surface. Sony said that even non-gaming sources could jump in to provide their own experience. the TV/movie industry and the music industry come to mind.

so I don't get why some say things like "Home is a rip-off of Achievement or Mii". :huh:

[frosty]

Many of you are concerned about people acting like asses, thing is it could be moderated. If it became an issue, just like getting thrown out of a store for being an ass, you could be banned from a particular module for a period of time (or permanently) and restricted to the private area only (house arrest).

[Carlos]

Many of you are concerned about people acting like asses, thing is it could be moderated. If it became an issue, just like getting thrown out of a store for being an ass, you could be banned from a particular module for a period of time (or permanently) and restricted to the private area only (house arrest).
I do see their concerns. M$ bans the wrong people, and lets most assholes get away with their "crimes" on the XBL service.

MySpace, on the other hand, is particularily worse, because they promote that they put member abuse at highest priority, but some people's identities has been tarnished because of another's jealousy. Someone by the name of Brandon Breedlove (a former XboxRaw staff member) made a myspace page telling people that I love cocks? I plan to do something about that very soon.

[Smokey]

Someone by the name of Brandon Breedlove (a former XboxRaw staff member) made a myspace page telling people that I love cocks? I plan to do something about that very soon.
that would piss ya

[dantruon]

well, what do you expect Nintendo to say in defence for a great innovation on Sony part?

[Carlos]

that would piss ya
Actually, I'm pissed off to the point of considering a lawsuit.

Here's the worst thing about the whole thing, I contacted MySpace about it, and they deleted it. But Brandon re-created it, and made a new theme with it...then I told MySpace again... Nothing. This hurts my reputation, as some of my 'friends' are on his 'poser' page. Even my close ally, John Olin.

I worked many years on building my reputation online, and what, I'm going to let Brandon fuck it up? Hell No.

[gozirah]

Well, Sony has a pretty good idea about the identities tied to each PS3. I think the consequences of abuse could be more severe than on myspace or say on a forum like this one. You could get your number of unique logins limited or revoked altogether.

Or Sony could tell everyone the location of your 'Home' and people could virtually egg the place.

[Coded-Dude]

Actually, I'm pissed off to the point of considering a lawsuit.

Here's the worst thing about the whole thing, I contacted MySpace about it, and they deleted it. But Brandon re-created it, and made a new theme with it...then I told MySpace again... Nothing. This hurts my reputation, as some of my 'friends' are on his 'poser' page. Even my close ally, John Olin.

I worked many years on building my reputation online, and what, I'm going to let Brandon fuck it up? Hell No.

the fact that you are that concerned about your online reputation is ruining your online reputation :honor:

[totobeni]

Dear Nintendo....
STFU

[Chrome]

Well done to Sony they surprised alot of people, even a person that's seen most innovation.

And I just heard from a guy in the office that Gametrailers have had over half of a million downloads !!! I would call that a great success.

500,000+ downloads of the Playstation HOME video in standard and hi-def :D

Sour grapes from Nin.

[dantruon]

welcome back Sony, you are, were and will be the king of the console.

[Z]

and Phill in the interview afterwards said that the Home concept was in the works during PS2's time. now that's vision. things like this don't get created over night. their closed beta testing will begin in 30 days and they will launch the service in the Fall.

and some mindsets can seriously say with a straight face that Sony stole the idea of something announced a few months ago...even though the service is far beyond anything on any gaming platform.

wow. just wow.

[kaphwan]

There goes the notion that Nintendo are angels.

Can we wash our hands and move on now?

[<3frosty]

Xerxes, perhaps they did think of it years ago but years ago it wasn't exactly a practical ability, was it? I also mentioned the author is only assuming what they meant. The rep himself didn't say that. It could definitely have been worded better. You're also confusing something else. Nintendo never once claimed Sony stole their motion sensing idea. The media ran with that one.


This Sony Home thing is going to require some serious level of moderation. I don't know how they plan to do that though. This will raise many flags with child safety organizations.

U bring much needed intelligence and logic to a thread that is starting to go downhill quickly.

On the subject though, this is a no-name rep, and seems to be poor journalism anyways. I am still wondering how "great" this will actually go over, as voice chat is always awesome until you get some idiot screaming and yelling curse words at every person in the game.

The idea is beautiful, to put it into motion and see what people without alot of constraints do, who knows.

The individual apartments looks nice though.

[jaxmkii]

everyone praised the Miis... its the second coming of jesus!

then Sony makes avitards too... and suddenly its going to suck... *sigh*

Online is just going to be full of assholes no matter how you present it. It would be cool if it was exactly the way they showed in the video, but you know everyone is going to be running around naked cussing and being a jackass.

^That's what i started envisioning after thinking about it. Picture Xbox Live with avatars.

It reminds me of Second Life. And I heard all that happens in Second Life is simulated fornication.

But still, I have high hopes.

[Krad]

I didn't want to read the whole tread so...

I think Sony's Home idea is a great one, regardless if it was thought out 20 years ago. In this day in age where the Internet is basically linked with everything, Sony's Home idea isn't far fetched nor "last season."

In my opinion, Nintendo isn't using some of their "big guns" like they should. Their "Mii" approach is a very good one and could be easily implemented to be, in a way, as Sony's Home. Actually, I think they have something like it in the works. I read around the Nintendo forum that they had a "Mii Channel" being developed.

[Z]

everyone praised the Miis... its the second coming of jesus!

then Sony makes avitards too... and suddenly its going to suck... *sigh*

yeah, keeping up your overall score or making a cartoon avatar is brilliant. but delivering a full virtual world with endless customization and integration is stupid. :drunks:

if Ninty announced this, people would be worshiping in their Mario temples as we speak. and Farggers would have a cum-fest in Halo. but not in this scenario. Sony is teh devil! :err:

[Krad]

yeah, keeping up your overall score or making a cartoon avatar is brilliant. but delivering a full virtual world with endless customization and integration is stupid. :drunks:

if Ninty announced this, people would be worshiping in their Mario temples as we speak. and Farggers would have a cum-fest in Halo. but not in this scenario. Sony is teh devil! :err:

That's the difference between Sony and Nintendo fans. Nintendo fans want those cartoon avatars, and Sony fans want that full virtual world. The endless customization and integration is part of both groups, you can't just give Sony that cookie.

[n1n9tean]

Go watch/read the new Phil Harrison interview over at 1up. Among other things; it serves as a nice, big glob of white-out to what that anonymous Nintendo prick said. Very good interview. Must-read/see.

(I'm currently on my PS3's browser so no link.)

[<3frosty]

I didn't want to read the whole tread so...

I think Sony's Home idea is a great one, regardless if it was thought out 20 years ago. In this day in age where the Internet is basically linked with everything, Sony's Home idea isn't far fetched nor "last season."

In my opinion, Nintendo isn't using some of their "big guns" like they should. Their "Mii" approach is a very good one and could be easily implemented to be, in a way, as Sony's Home. Actually, I think they have something like it in the works. I read around the Nintendo forum that they had a "Mii Channel" being developed.

I doubt Nintendo likes the idea of having voice chat at all. They seem to be hesitant for fear of abuse of little kids on the games. This whole HOME feature seems way past what Nintendo is getting used to right now.

[Teh Roxor!]

I doubt Nintendo likes the idea of having voice chat at all. They seem to be hesitant for fear of abuse of little kids on the games.
Aye, regretably. It's a shame they feel as though it's their responsibility to protect kids from their horrible parents.

[Red_Eyes]

Mr. Miyamoto of Nintendo: "Sorry, I didn't mean to say Sony copied me. I meant to say 'Mii' copy Sony."

[curryking1]

I posted this same thing in the GDC thread.. FYI for people worried about 'tards' and parental control stuff. It seems like those problems will be much less of 'problems' than we thought they could be.

....

This is probably of great interest to a lot of people interested in Home (which should be everyone, if you're not interested in Home, I can no longer acknowledge your existence...).

It concerns the parental control features of the Home interface, or at least one aspect of it.

Not only does it address that issue, but it also addresses the issue of people being 'tards' and you can just snap ya fingas (lol...) and bam! Problem solved.

GDC 07: Home lets you delete people from your world

Posted Mar 9th 2007 2:30AM by Andrew Yoon

At Sony's blogger event tonight, Phil Harrison addressed the issue of parental controls in the world of Home. Home will not only utilize the in-system PlayStation Network parental controls, but will offer you the ability to delete users from your view ... instantly. So if some prick is attacking you with flying dongs, you'll be able to have them disappear from your world at a push of a button. "I wish I could have that in real life," Phil Harrison joked.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/03/09/gdc-07-home-lets-you-delete-people-from-your-world/

[frosty]

but will offer you the ability to delete users from your view ... instantly.

"Mr. Harrison, we may have a problem with perverts and assholes abusing the system, which could result in lawsuits and angered users."

*Harrison snaps fingers*

"Problem? What problem?"

[section]

^^lol

snapping is good

[Z]

That's the difference between Sony and Nintendo fans. Nintendo fans want those cartoon avatars, and Sony fans want that full virtual world. The endless customization and integration is part of both groups, you can't just give Sony that cookie.
you see, you're missing my point here. you are talking only about creating a virtual character. both PS3 and Rev offer that. what ever style you like is up to you.
but rabid Ninty psychos aren't only talking about that, they are describing the whole Home concept to a simplistic character builder. the same goes for the score-counter on X2. get my point?
Aye, regretably. It's a shame they feel as though it's their responsibility to protect kids from their horrible parents.
you can't blame them if that's their main target audience. parents can be a very scary bunch in a court room.

[F089/H]

Man this could be the next big thing online..I mean 360 might not jump on that bandwagon yet as we(they) have realtime interaction(Video Chat).I have not seen the videos but I'll get on them right now!

[Garfunkel]

i hardly see how it's a mii too approach.

[Viper]

everyone praised the Miis... its the second coming of jesus!

then Sony makes avitards too... and suddenly its going to suck... *sigh*

Don't put words our my mouth, Jax. Not a single quote you quoted mentioned anything about Wii's being the greatest thing nor how Home will suck. We stated an opinion of concern that is obviously of high importance or Phil wouldn't have been so quick to point out their parental control and deletion features.

If you want to read corporate dissing, read how many times N has been slammed in this thread and get back to me.

[Kabbage]

Man this could be the next big thing online..I mean 360 might not jump on that bandwagon yet as we(they) have realtime interaction(Video Chat).I have not seen the videos but I'll get on them right now! PS3 has video chat :pepper:

[The Dude]

How can anyone compare Home with Nintendo's Mii and online gaming service, when both are not even up and running yet? If you actually think that Home is going to automatically propel the PS3 to the best selling console at this point in time you are an idiot. If you think that Sony ripped off Nintend's Mii's you are also an idiot. It's normal to be excited about a new feature/game but come on, dont fall into the hype and PR BS, I would expect better from a 20+ year older gamers (or maybe I shouldn't...)

[Viper]

The ONLY copying I see from Sony with regards to Mii's is the intent to use the Sony Home avatar in a game like using a Mii in a game but to be honest that's just piddly. Most likely that was their intent from day one with Home so even that's not really copying.

[indiekid4]

Xerxes, perhaps they did think of it years ago but years ago it wasn't exactly a practical ability, was it? I also mentioned the author is only assuming what they meant. The rep himself didn't say that. It could definitely have been worded better. You're also confusing something else. Nintendo never once claimed Sony stole their motion sensing idea. The media ran with that one.


This Sony Home thing is going to require some serious level of moderation. I don't know how they plan to do that though. This will raise many flags with child safety organizations.

Have you ever played Final Fantasy XI? It will be like that. They will have mod's who walk around amongst the online gamers. If someone has a concern over another online gamer, they can take it to the Mod and issues and whatnots can be taken care of.

[F089/H]

That does touch on one of my concerns for Home: people being annoying as #$@%. There had better be very strict member filtering available, even just as optional so you won't have to deal with the filth of humanity.
I know in the trailer they said things like "The place to hook up!" but really, when you're hiding behind the mask of your avatar, many people give in and act like jerks.

Ahh,People do that online anyway..:swear:

[jaxmkii]

Don't put words our my mouth, Jax. Not a single quote you quoted mentioned anything about Wii's being the greatest thing nor how Home will suck. We stated an opinion of concern that is obviously of high importance or Phil wouldn't have been so quick to point out their parental control and deletion features.

If you want to read corporate dissing, read how many times N has been slammed in this thread and get back to me.
how many times have Wii fans since E3 06 came into the PS3 forums. created post to belittle the PS3. (right now theres a one about Wii out selling ps3 3 to 1) and it goes largly ignored in the intrest of Staying unbias. but...

when Sony finaly makes a bold Positive Move and we PS3 fanns do a little celibratory Gunn fire. within our own fourums not bringing it into Nitty now or xbox raw. we all get a verbal spanking and told to behave ourselfs...:ohno:

call me a fanboy go ahead cause your right i am a fanboy... i love playstation and sometimes i want to celibrate with the other Sony fans in a Sony fan forum. and even do a little smack talk with my comrads. i dint take this into raw or now. you know i dont do that and i dont think anyone here dose that eather.

after 9 months of every nitty/xbox fan in E-mpire telling us how Sony is just a bunch of Fuckups. us Sony fans finaly have something truly to stop and show evryone else why we thoght it was a good idea to wait and spend the "extra" 200usd. than when Nitty officaly pulls PRBS dammage control trying to take the wind out of Homes sails buy claiming is a Mii ripoff. can you blame everyone for wanting to pipe up and say STFU?

[n1n9tean]

AOL message for jaxmkii: You've got +rep!

[Sephiroth_VII]

About the nakedness and stuff like that(yeah, I'm trying to change the subject), it's possible that Sony would be able to use something even better than an IP-ban, a serial-number-ban!

How many people do you think would risk it if they knew they'd need a new PS3 to get on Home ever again after breaking the rules?

[OnBake Platinum]

I don't know what any of that has to do with quoting me, but ok...

[frosty]

Yeah Jax, you did put words in their mouth. Mach even said he had high hopes for home, while at the same time only expressing a concern that it may be abused. I know you wanna stick it to the fanboys with a big "STFU! told ya' so!" but pick the right ones next time! I don't see Viper ripping on Sony, he calls it like it is.

[Viper]

when Sony finaly makes a bold Positive Move and we PS3 fanns do a little celibratory Gunn fire. within our own fourums not bringing it into Nitty now or xbox raw. we all get a verbal spanking and told to behave ourselfs...:ohno:



Now you see the side of the fence N gamers have felt for the past decade. We were torn to hell and back from gamers, gaming media and mainstream media for 2 generations and for once we've gotten a moment in the sun as well. Take that frustration you've felt for the past year with the media and stretch it a decade. I think we both understand our situations a little more now.

It feels damn good to have that weight lifted and the sun shine down on you for a the first time in what feels like forever.

:cheers:

Let's share some cold ones.

[frosty]

Likewise, cheers. Good time to be a gamer no matter which side of the fence you are on. This generation being so close (so far) is benefiting all of us more than we acknowledge. Sony being held up to the standard that all of their announcements must have that E3 05' "wow" factor, which means they will strive for blowing us away at every opritunity. Be happy that they have to fight for exclusives, which lights a fire under their first party studios' asses to make better games that are guaranteed permanent exclusives.

[Kabbage]

Unnecessary post. Nobody is raining on anybody's parade. Quit the stupid fanboy banter, everyone. We're more mature than that here.

[Delirious]

What exclusives does sony have left just out of curiosity? I can think of RE5 off the top of my head, but thats all that comes to mind.

[frosty]

MGS4
FF13
FF vs. 13
DMC4
(I assume you're asking about 3rd party only, and these are only games currently announced.)

First or second party...

Lair
Killzone
GT5
heavenly sword
GoW3
Getaway
LittleBigPlanet
Motorstorm
Resistance

and those are just the heavy hitters.

[Viper]

What exclusives does sony have left just out of curiosity? I can think of RE5 off the top of my head, but thats all that comes to mind.

It takes both hands and feet to count them all, easily.

[woundingchaney]

LOL poor little disgruntled Nintendo gamer is mad because the media did Nintendo bad so he feel he needs the rain on everyone else's parade when good news comes about :lol:

Thats bullshit man. Noone is even speaking against "home". People are raising very valid questions on the concept. I think that the whole ordeal is very impressive and a positive move for Sony and will help define their online component.

Everyone that raises a question or may wonder about a feature is not "raining on someone's parade". My main questions concerning "home" would be integration, level of interactivity, and stress on teh servers, although I dare not ask these question in this forum.

Bottom line this PS3 forum has been destroyed by PS3 fans.

[frosty]

RE5 is actually a multiplatform title, also.

Thats bullshit man. Noone is even speaking against "home". People are raising very valid questions on the concept. I think that the whole ordeal is very impressive and a positive move for Sony and will help define their online component.

Everyone that raises a question or may wonder about a feature is not "raining on someone's parade". My main questions concerning "home" would be integration, level of interactivity, and stress on teh servers, although I dare not ask these question in this forum.

Bottom line this PS3 forum has been destroyed by PS3 fans.

Not on my watch. I share those concerns with you as well, just so you know. I'm curious to get in on this beta so I can see for myself.

[Delirious]

^o rly? Good news for me then. Will it be coming to Wii now as well? I know Umbrella Chronicles is coming, but I wouldnt be opposed to a double dose of RE goodness.

[Kabbage]

how many times have Wii fans since E3 06 came into the PS3 forums. created post to belittle the PS3. (right now theres a one about Wii out selling ps3 3 to 1) and it goes largly ignored in the intrest of Staying unbias. but...

when Sony finaly makes a bold Positive Move and we PS3 fanns do a little celibratory Gunn fire. within our own fourums not bringing it into Nitty now or xbox raw. we all get a verbal spanking and told to behave ourselfs...:ohno:

call me a fanboy go ahead cause your right i am a fanboy... i love playstation and sometimes i want to celibrate with the other Sony fans in a Sony fan forum. and even do a little smack talk with my comrads. i dint take this into raw or now. you know i dont do that and i dont think anyone here dose that eather.

after 9 months of every nitty/xbox fan in E-mpire telling us how Sony is just a bunch of Fuckups. us Sony fans finaly have something truly to stop and show evryone else why we thoght it was a good idea to wait and spend the "extra" 200usd. than when Nitty officaly pulls PRBS dammage control trying to take the wind out of Homes sails buy claiming is a Mii ripoff. can you blame everyone for wanting to pipe up and say STFU? QFMTF! Getting excited about PS3 news in the PS3 section is not allowed. Maybe the Xbox section will tolerate this?

[woundingchaney]

not sure if been posted found this at B3D



http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39495

[frosty]

It would be QFT'able if it were truth, but there isn't a single ninty fan dissing home in this thread, so all of you STFU.

This blatant ignorant fanboyism is pissing me off. I suggest you guys tone it down.

[Kabbage]

It would be QFT'able if it were truth, but there isn't a single ninty fan dissing home in this thread, so all of you STFU.

This blatant ignorant fanboyism is pissing me off. I suggest you guys tone it down. SO being a fan in the proper section is a problem now? OR is it the getting excited that is the problem?

[frosty]

No, it's bashing other users for things they didn't do that is the problem.

There is nothing wrong with saying "I have high hopes for home, but also see how it can turn into something bad if not moderated properly".

This is not a Sony fanboy safe haven where we can gather to bash the other guys. We can root and cheer and celebrate for sony's recent success all we want, but leave the bashing at the door.

[Carlos]

the fact that you are that concerned about your online reputation is ruining your online reputation :honor:
Online reputation = hits

hits = cash

cash = starting a business

starting a business = more cash

look at omega, why his site is so popular, came from him buying up sites, and keeping HIS reputation INTACT.

Learn that the internet is booming, and its where businesses are born nowdays, if you don't conqer the net, then you have nothing left to support your dreams.

look at martha, look at donald trump, look at bill gates, tell me one thing in common: NAME BRANDING.

[Kabbage]

No, it's bashing other users for things they didn't do that is the problem.

There is nothing wrong with saying "I have high hopes for home, but also see how it can turn into something bad if not moderated properly".

This is not a Sony fanboy safe haven where we can gather to bash the other guys. We can root and cheer and celebrate for sony's recent success all we want, but leave the bashing at the door. Doesnt look like a normal fan safe haven either :nervous:

[Viper]

^o rly? Good news for me then. Will it be coming to Wii now as well? I know Umbrella Chronicles is coming, but I wouldnt be opposed to a double dose of RE goodness.

No, Wii isn't getting RE5. X360 is though. I don't think Wii will be getting many multiplats like this one unless the dev is going all out and releasing it on PS2 and others as well. It's not worth as much effort to make a toned down version just for Wii alone. Wii + PS2 + others would make sense but it hasn't been announced for any of those.

[Fillibuster]

not sure if been posted found this at B3D



http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39495

Nice fine Wounding, thanks.

[frosty]

Doesnt look like a normal fan safe haven either

You wouldn't know if it were, as you aren't displaying the characteristics of a "normal" Sony fan right now.

As I said, root and cheer all you want. Leave the bashing at the door.

[Carlos]

Why does anyone in the moderator team care so much about people like coded dude, who come and try to insult me subtly? Hmm?

you know what, frosty? I don't care what you do....I don't like coded dude's idiotic attitude, if he can't learn to respect people, then he can't be respected.

[frosty]

If you can't learn to not call people idiots in my forum, you can't post here. Plain and simple. If he insulted you in some subtle way, settle it via PM. Don't clog my forums with your garbage.

[Delirious]

No, Wii isn't getting RE5. X360 is though. I don't think Wii will be getting many multiplats like this one unless the dev is going all out and releasing it on PS2 and others as well. It's not worth as much effort to make a toned down version just for Wii alone. Wii + PS2 + others would make sense but it hasn't been announced for any of those.

I dont see how you could call a wii version toned down, as it would undoubtedly be fun as hell playing it with the Wii-Mote. Unless youre talking about graphics, which Im not concerned about.

[Kabbage]

Yeah instead spam his Message box with obscenities.

[frosty]

I dont see how you could call a wii version toned down, as it would undoubtedly be fun as hell playing it with the Wii-Mote. Unless youre talking about graphics, which Im not concerne about.

For a game like RE, which relies heavily on visual immersion, the wii version would take a hit, but by no means would not be fun because of it. After all, the 1st RE rocked and it was a PS1 game that couldn't have consisted of more than 50 polygons per character! lol.

[D3adcell]

QFMTF! Getting excited about PS3 news in the PS3 section is not allowed. Maybe the Xbox section will tolerate this?

You can get excited all you want, but that leaves no reason to bash any other company. If you are concerned about people bashing the PS3 on the forums report the post and the mods will deal with it. But someone questioning a service or how something will work is not bashing. No need to get riled up over these things. But do not bash other members or companies, this is the PS3 discussion board. Let's keep it to PS3.

If you see a problem with other users postings, report the post. If someone is bashing Sony in any way the mods will take care of it.

Why does anyone in the moderator team care so much about people like coded dude, who come and try to insult me subtly? Hmm?

you know what, frosty? I don't care what you do....I don't like coded dude's idiotic attitude, if he can't learn to respect people, then he can't be respected.

Carlos, this has nothing to do with the thread. If you have a problem with someone PM the person or report the post. Do not try to bring crap from other threads into every forum topic. It is not needed. This is a warning.

[Kabbage]

You can get excited all you want, but that leaves no reason to bash any other company. If you are concerned about people bashing the PS3 on the forums report the post and the mods will deal with it. But someone questioning a service or how something will work is not bashing. No need to get riled up over these things. But do not bash other members or companies, this is the PS3 discussion board. Let's keep it to PS3.

If you see a problem with other users postings, report the post. If someone is bashing Sony in any way the mods will take care of it. I didn't bash Ninty :huh:

[Carlos]

If you can't learn to not call people idiots in my forum, you can't post here. Plain and simple. If he insulted you in some subtle way, settle it via PM. Don't clog my forums with your garbage.
I can learn to not call people names, I haven't called anyone else, other than those who try to piss me off - names. Look at spac and I, we didn't know each other, yet I get along with him now....How is talking with coded dude by PM a good thing? huh?

I am not clogging your forums with bs, they are. You need to stop pointing at me. You need to learn its not ALWAYS my fault, so don't start shit with me. It pisses me off when moderators blame me for shit others try to do. I have always treated your forum with respect, but if you can't fucking learn that, frosty, then....

.....two words for ya: fuck you.

[frosty]

Bye.

[Carlos]

Carlos, this has nothing to do with the thread. If you have a problem with someone PM the person or report the post. Do not try to bring crap from other threads into every forum topic. It is not needed. This is a warning.
Oh stop it. Stop with the warning. Frosty is taking care of it, but you know what, you enjoy jumping on my neck when you get the chance, so you know what, you pissed me off even more than I have been right now. I don't need your lecture.

[D3adcell]

You had your chance.

I didn't bash Ninty :huh:

I noticed, but your original post seemed to imply that sony users couldn't get excited or something without being bashed, but we could get away with it in the xbox forums? That's just a message for everyone.

[frosty]

Looks like Nintendo X will always be Nintendo X. Looks like he won't be around these forums anymore.

[frosty]

OK, this thread has gone to shit. Time to close it.