SpiderMan vs Batman [movies].

[masteratt]

This is continuing from the '300' thread:

Batman was meant to be darker, mysterious, and a great detective. What happen with Batman though was the directors never wanted to focus on Bruce Wayne and instead focused on the villains. The first Batman directed by Burton was okay but the rest are horrible trash trying to turn the series into a comedy.
So what you are saying here is that Batman Begins was the best Batman movie. I agree with that but it doesn't make Batman Begins a good movie, it just makes it the best Batman movie, which really isn't saying much at all.

No fucking shit your 7 year doesn’t like Batman. It’s darker than the Spiderman series and has a deeper plot. Speaking of plots, Begins had a terrific plot from the start. How Bruce Wayne became Batman! WTF DO YOU MEAN THE PLOT SUCKS?!!!!
It's supposed to be an amazing plot because we have a reason he became Batman?
I believe we have a reason SpiderMan became Spider-Man and in superhero movies who is asking for an amazing plot anyway and even if you were, what's so amazing about:
"My parents were killed so now I must become what I fear to get revenge!"

The acting was brilliantly done and performed by in my opinion one of the best actors out there today. Christian Bale Engulfs himself into any character he plays as. Mentally and physically. Having also an A list cast isn’t bad either such as Michael Caine, Liam Neeson, Gary Oldman, Cillian Murphy, Ken Watanabe, and Morgan Freeman.
This adds nothing to the movie. Look at Ocean's Twelve, it has almost every A-Star actor in Hollywood but the movie still blows.
I know you are not saying "its good because it has good actors" but I don't think it helped the movie any to have 'good actors' which I actually disagree with other than Mr. Freeman and the guy who plays the Butler.

On that note let me just tell you how highly regarded the original Superman is to people. Many put it as one of there best movies every made list.
Might be, as I said, I haven't seen it but I am not expecting anything special.

I know why you posted it though, you’re the average teenager who really could give two shits about deep development and a good plot and gladly sacrifice it for a few explosions. Either that or you need to sign up for a film class in your high school pronto to learn about all the great films your missing out there.
I've only been spending the last 7 years of my life learning and expanding my knowledge about film as much I can so you are definitely right with this accusation.... ¬_¬

Well if you still have any doubt- I am obviously voting for Spider-Man.

The director did a good job of capturing the comic book feel all the way from cheesy dialogue to spinning newspapers.
The action is superbly done and once again is touched up with corny lines throughout the scene which adds to the immersion and fun of the movie.

I disagree with the comment that Spider-Man is just "easier to watch" as there are many subtle touches that make it a better movie than average.

I also believe Spider-Man does the best job of giving the character identity crisis as he can't handle being both Spider-Man and Peter Parker which has a deeper meaning in itself.

That's my take on the whole thing.
So let's get voting and if you feel like it, give reasons too.

[Chris]

Well, I think that plot comparisons are unfair at this point seeing as Spider-Man has already had 2, and soon to be 3, movies to flesh it out already.

I believe that the acting in Batman was much better than that of Spider-Man, Michael Caine was perfect as Alfred, Bale was amazing as Wayne(the fact that he put all that muscle on for this role immediately after The Machinist still amazes me, and Oldman and Freeman were excellent casting jobs as well. And please let's not compare Caine and Freeman to the likes of Clooney and Pitt, there's a difference between being an A-list actor, and being a good actor.

I'm a much bigger fan of Spider-Man the superhero, in fact I downright do not care for Batman, but Begins was infinitately better than either of the Spider-Man movies in my opinion.

And to specify my vote for Batman is in relation to Batman Begins ONLY. Spider-Man is way better than the rest of them.

[Negativity]

The Human Spider.

Batman is a great hero, but the movies have sucked.

[Crow]

Spiderman, as a whole they have made less sucky films, hell there were more sucky Batman films made than Spiderman films period

[Blaksmoke]

The 1989 and 2005 Batman adaptations are way better than Spiderman 1 or 2.

[Crow]

but Spiderman 1 & 2 were better than Batman Returns, Forever, & Robin

[Garfunkel]

My spidey sense is tingling!

[stanDarsh]

Comics:
Blade 2
Xmen 2

Graphic Novels:
Sin City
V for Vendetta

[Ch1cago88]

This is continuing from the '300' thread:


So what you are saying here is that Batman Begins was the best Batman movie. I agree with that but it doesn't make Batman Begins a good movie, it just makes it the best Batman movie, which really isn't saying much at all.


It's supposed to be an amazing plot because we have a reason he became Batman?
I believe we have a reason SpiderMan became Spider-Man and in superhero movies who is asking for an amazing plot anyway and even if you were, what's so amazing about:
"My parents were killed so now I must become what I fear to get revenge!"


This adds nothing to the movie. Look at Ocean's Twelve, it has almost every A-Star actor in Hollywood but the movie still blows.
I know you are not saying "its good because it has good actors" but I don't think it helped the movie any to have 'good actors' which I actually disagree with other than Mr. Freeman and the guy who plays the Butler.


Might be, as I said, I haven't seen it but I am not expecting anything special.


I've only been spending the last 7 years of my life learning and expanding my knowledge about film as much I can so you are definitely right with this accusation.... _

Well if you still have any doubt- I am obviously voting for Spider-Man.

The director did a good job of capturing the comic book feel all the way from cheesy dialogue to spinning newspapers.
The action is superbly done and once again is touched up with corny lines throughout the scene which adds to the immersion and fun of the movie.

I disagree with the comment that Spider-Man is just "easier to watch" as there are many subtle touches that make it a better movie than average.

I also believe Spider-Man does the best job of giving the character identity crisis as he can't handle being both Spider-Man and Peter Parker which has a deeper meaning in itself.

That's my take on the whole thing.
So let's get voting and if you feel like it, give reasons too.

I cant believe this is a topic, w/e, I’ll defend my view. First of all I have no idea if you are talking about the movie to film series over all or just your pointless vendetta to say Begins is the worst movie ever made. So I will assume you are targeting Begins.

Begins is a very well made movie. It has wonderful acting, cinematography, directing, and writing. Congrads to your seven long and hard years of practicing and learning about film, I would suggest maybe focusing on another 7. From the post in the other topic you state things like “It’s worse than Hulk”, “My 7 year old likes it more”, “It’s terribly crafted in everyway but I won’t state specifics why this is”, "Superman sucks because my friend saw it and says it does which is absolutely immature of me to not even see the film and make such a bold statment even though I'm a film buff." "Whose that butler guy?" MY GOD YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHO MICHAEL CAINE IS MAN!!! Call yourself a film maker, buff, learner w/e but you need more lessons. I’ve stated why Begins is a good film in the other forum; I would like to hear intelligently why you think it’s not.

If I wanted to I could have gone deeper but I really did not want to have to type the inner struggles Wayne must overcome. Should he seek vengeance or revenge, should he start this life of solitude never telling anyone what’s his mission. And so on and so on, but I figured for a 7 year film buff you would already know this.

Chris I didn’t mean A list as in celebrity status, I simply meant well crafted acting. I apologize for the confusion. Lack of communication on my part.

You seem to think I dislike the Spidermans, I actually enjoyed the movies. But when you get down to the gizzards of the films Begins is deeper in every aspect.

[Ravster]

Spiderman 3 is, without a doubt, going to be awesome. At the moment, its unfair to compare Spiderman and Batman.

Batman Begins is the only Batman movie that has 'truly' stuck to the comic if I remember correctly. Also the fact that there has only been one Batman movie as of late, compared to 3 Spiderman movies.

I agree with Chicago when he says that Batman was much more darker and had a deeper storyline which is great for a first movie in what will be hopefully go on to have 4-5 'sequels.' But, from what I've seen, SM3 will be dwelling into Peters darker side as a result of the symbiote. And with introduction of Venom, you just know its gonna be a more darker movie....



As much as I like Spiderman, I'm confident TDK will outshine SM3.

[masteratt]

I disliked Batman Begins for a simple reason; nothing they did appealed to me so I obviously think in my way that they did it badly.

I will try to list why it sucks so much but keep in mind I haven't seen it a while and about me not remembering/ knowing who Michael Caine is, I do have a huge problem with remembering names and I don't think it matters I know what his name is as long as it's easy to understand who I'm talking about.

Anyway let's not dwell on the pointless and here is my reasoning behind what I said:

The action scenes in Spider-Man work because they are...Well, exciting and varied.

Playing hide and seek with the bad guys and them suddenly disappearing into thin air is not my idea of a fun action scene.

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The characters.
Peter Parker is a casual 20 something guy and is very easy to relate to.
He has small touches in his life like his crush for Mary Jane, his low self-esteem etc that make him loveable and in contrary it's good to see him so lively and serious when he is in a Spider-Man suite.

Bruce Wayne is a rich bastard whose parents got murdered in a crappy town they live in.
What is that? That personally makes me feel nothing.

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The plot.

Spider-Man: One good guy, one bad guy....FIGHT! Simplicity is genius is my favourite saying and it definitely works here and characters are very interesting.
Green Goblin, a crushed businessman seeking revenge.
Octopus, a crushed scientist whose hoping to re-build what was destroyed (his dream).

Batman
I haven't read any comics in my life so I don't even know why that guy wants to gas everyone (haven't seen the movie in a while remember so there might have been a reason but I forgot it so it probably wasn't that good).
"Just a psycho" does not work for me I'm afraid the movie becomes less interesting when the villain has faceless minions working for him.
Also what a boring character. Gassing people? Might as well made him a crack dealer.

Joker should be more interesting, I have feeling I'll like the second Batman Begins movie.


That's all I can think of quickly.

About your point of inner struggles of Wayne.....That's what makes Spider-Man good, they don't drag on things that not many people will care about.
If I wanted to see a deep struggle of a man, I'll go see something other than A COMIC BOOK movie and I think they failed to get across his 'struggle' anyhow.
Believe me I know what you are pointing out but it's just way too daft.
They needed to spend more time on it to become effective but then in a comic book movie, I don't think it can ever work even if that's what it's like in print.

Also I did not make this thread just to reply to you, I don't do "personal grudges" on the internet but it did spawn from the discussion we had in the '300' thread.

I'm not writing all this so you agree with me obviously.

I am just writing all this so we can come to grounds of agreeing to disagree instead of thinking of each other as idiots (which is not true in my case but you certainly type like that) and I hope I showed you where I'm coming from with my points.

[Ravster]

Its the norm for comic book/graphics novel adaptations that will have sequels to explain characters and then second movie will be all out, ie more action scenes. The director is now able to pull out all the stops as the character backgrounds have been covered, unless a new character(s) is introduced.

And with regard to what you said, its your opinion and we can't exactly change that or force you into liking Batman, but some of your statements are said without actualy knowledge into the subject at hand (mainly Batman) and shows why it can escalate into an argument just like that.

[masteratt]

Definitely.

It's always all opinion when you are talking about movies.
I was just trying to fill him in on why I thought those things.

I think you are right that second Batman movie will allow itself to have more action. That will definitely happen/ should happen.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

i can't choose between the two :( I guess spiderman right now.

[Lucent Beam]

"OTHER":

(1) The X-Men movies.. seriously.. I loved them. I don't know what else to say beyond that. Really, love.

(2) The Hulk.

While I actually watch Spiderman movies more often than I have seen the Hulk, I felt like the Hulk had something very charming about it in that it tried to maintain aspects of the comic.

[Crow]

X-Men 3 sucked, the first 2 were good though

[Chris]

X-Men 3 sucked, the first 2 were good though

The only real problem I had with the X-Men movies is that they might as well have been called Wolverine.

...that and Iceman was a pussy, and nothing like the character from the comics.

[BugenhagenXIII]

I haven't read any comics in my life so I don't even know why that guy wants to gas everyone (haven't seen the movie in a while remember so there might have been a reason but I forgot it so it probably wasn't that good).
"Just a psycho" does not work for me I'm afraid the movie becomes less interesting when the villain has faceless minions working for him.
Also what a boring character. Gassing people? Might as well made him a crack dealer.


Obviously you didn't watch the movie all that closely, as this is explained quite clearly.


I've never really liked Spiderman. The movies were good though. I think they were better movies than Batman and Batman Returns (even though I like the Batman ones more), but Batman Begins blows them out of the water.

[Ch1cago88]

Here’s the thing that irritates me. You started this dialog and discussion only to say a few posts later to agree to disagree? I think I will voice my opinion again and list numerous reasons why you have led me on a debate with lackluster and vague response this entire time. Let’s begin…

The very first discussion we had you decided to post a short summary of reasons why you dislike Begins. I am always open minded about anything, (You have to when you’re a filmmaker) unfortunately though you decided to post this dreck.


Even Hulk was better than Batman Begins and this is NOT opinion, Batman Begins was poorly made and was just horrible to watch. My 7 year old cousin loves Batman but hated Batman Begins and is now a SpiderMan fan because the Spider-Man movie kicked so much ass.The plot, the sub-plots, the actors, the action scenes, everything is 500 zillion times better than any other comic movies (I haven't seen Superman though but I heard it was shit).

What an open minded intelligent response. Already we see contradictory with these early posts compared to your posts later. Besides that though, what was odd to me was the absolutely ignorant and disrespectful response. With no real thesis, reasoning, rational, or thought, you somehow managed to put together this beauty of a paragraph. What did I say to get you off your rocker?

Batman Begins > All Comic movies

You seem like you want to claim that a opinion is an opinion and you can’t be right or wrong.

I am just writing all this so we can come to grounds of agreeing to disagree instead of thinking of each other as idiots (which is not true in my case but you certainly type like that)

But above you already stated my opinion is crap (Oh wait we haven’t gotten to that part yet), how about this one, the Hulk is better than Begins and this is not opinion. Sounds like an open minded guy to me. So what were you expecting me to say? Oh yes, those reasons are perfect!!!!!! I totally, totally agree! Of course there will be fire behind my response because of your ignorance.

Now before any of this I didn’t even know you’re also a fellow filmmaker. So when I read your response I figured you were just a casual fan of the movie. But then I found out this…

I've only been spending the last 7 years of my life learning and expanding my knowledge about film as much I can so you are definitely right with this accusation.... _
I was absolutely puzzled. How could someone devote almost half of their life so far to film and be so cretinous in your field at the same time?

(I haven't seen Superman though but I heard it was shit).

That’s what a film maker should do! Right away close the door on the suggestion!

As a film maker you should be already engulfed into the movie. Not just watching it and enjoying it like any other watching head. People like us should be able to notice the writing style, the camera angles, and the cinematography, so on. This is how I judge a film, by digging deep into its gizzards. So when I responded with summaries (not wanting to write a fucking book like I’m doing now) thinking you were a film maker and know this already, I get responses I figured a casual movie fan would say. Wrote more reasons and gave links. Again, a paragraph of nothing. I respond again with these responses below. The very first quote I saw almost made me shit my pants when I read it.

The action scenes in Spider-Man work because they are...Well, exciting and varied.

Playing hide and seek with the bad guys and them suddenly disappearing into thin air is not my idea of a fun action scene.

Your “hide and seek” reasoning is rubbish. Nolan wanted you to wonder where the mysterious Batman was going to come from next. He wanted you to capture the perspective of the villain. And varied? Sword fights, ninja fights, master and mentor duel, and so on isn’t varied enough? It’s much more varied than spidey fighting on a roof, or a ring, or in an abandoned building, which are also fun to watch, but your point doesn’t wash.

I also believe Spider-Man does the best job of giving the character identity crisis as he can't handle being both Spider-Man and Peter Parker which has a deeper meaning in itself.

Did you even watch Begins?

I will try to list why it sucks so much but keep in mind I haven't seen it a while. I haven't read any comics in my life so I don't even know why that guy wants to gas everyone (haven't seen the movie in a while remember so there might have been a reason but I forgot it so it probably wasn't that good).

Never mind that last question. That above paragraph tells me so much. Maybe we’ll get to that later though, Wayne is nothing but the inner struggle he has! That’s what’s pretty much what Bruce Wayne is about. Oh wait I forgot, you wouldn’t remember the back and forth relationship Alfred and Wayne were having during the movie of what his real mission is. Or how Ducard taught Wayne about revenge and Wayne couldn’t after realizing Falcone killed Chill already. Nevermind, lets get back to SPIDERMAN RULES!!! WOOT!!!!

Besides your tendency to contradict yourself and your childish behavior at times lets continue your reasons why spider rocks the socks and Begins just sucks. Before I continue though let me just say feel free to look back at all the other posts I made, to read other reasons.


The characters.
Peter Parker is a casual 20 something guy and is very easy to relate to.
He has small touches in his life like his crush for Mary Jane, his low self-esteem etc that make him loveable and in contrary it's good to see him so lively and serious when he is in a Spider-Man suite.

Bruce Wayne is a rich bastard whose parents got murdered in a crappy town they live in.
What is that? That personally makes me feel nothing.

Again no offense but for a film maker you have a lack of vision and close mindedness. Wayne lost his parents at a young age. The thought of losing you family means nothing? You write as if he’s some rich spoil kid. On the contrary this is a very traumatic event and we watch as he wanders until realizing what it his true destiny.

The plot.

Spider-Man: One good guy, one bad guy....FIGHT! Simplicity is genius is my favourite saying and it definitely works here and characters are very interesting.
Green Goblin, a crushed businessman seeking revenge.
Octopus, a crushed scientist whose hoping to re-build what was destroyed (his dream).

Wow. Amazing, Batman Begins also had simplistic villains like the scarecrow how wanted to hold the city to ransom and Falcone. NOT ONLY THAT MY FRIEND BUT WAIT THERES MORE!!!!! The League of Shadows (or Assassins) had deep characters like Henry Ducard whose mission was to destroy empires and start from the beginning. At the same time being a father figure to Wayne.

"Just a psycho" does not work for me I'm afraid the movie becomes less interesting when the villain has faceless minions working for him.
Also what a boring character. Gassing people? Might as well made him a crack dealer.

Read the paragraph above for more of the villains, your probably just forgot again.

Joker should be more interesting, I have feeling I'll like the second Batman Begins movie.

You should already know as a film maker that focusing on the villain is simply a stupid idea. You are supposed to focus on Wayne and his struggles. This is what the legacy of Batman is about. Come one man, for 18 you are so amateurish at this.


So I’m about done with this. I just wanted to post my thoughts about your close minded, ignorant, at times irrelevant, and times disrespectful responses you have given me the last couple of days. Like I said I enjoyed Spiderman, but as a film maker you really should take a look at the movies again and start digging into these films. Once you start making shorts you will thank me because you will need the skills Begins uses more than the Spiderman films. Was I a little inflamed with my response? Maybe, but I feel I justified myself with the responses. Oh and one last thing lets agree to disagree, I think I will take a quote from you of the overall feeling I get about you as a film buff, maker, and views.


hahahaha, I respect your opinion and all but your opinion is pure crap.

[Negativity]

I find Parker's character much more interesting than Wayne's. Wayne is just boring and you can't relate to him, rich kid having a hissy fit (like Harry).

Parker is poor, he can't keep up in life, he can't get the girl he wants (he can, not gutsy enough). All this shit happening to a low self-esteemed, soft spoken guy.

[masteratt]

Here’s the thing that irritates me. You started this dialog and discussion only to say a few posts later to agree to disagree? I think I will voice my opinion again and list numerous reasons why you have led me on a debate with lackluster and vague response this entire time. Let’s begin…Okie doke.:salute:

The very first discussion we had you decided to post a short summary of reasons why you dislike Begins. I am always open minded about anything, (You have to when you’re a filmmaker) unfortunately though you decided to post this dreck.

What an open minded intelligent response. Already we see contradictory with these early posts compared to your posts later. Besides that though, what was odd to me was the absolutely ignorant and disrespectful response. With no real thesis, reasoning, rational, or thought, you somehow managed to put together this beauty of a paragraph. Okay fair point but the reasons did come later.

What did I say to get you off your rocker?
Nothing, I just tend to come off as pissed off or "fired up" by accident online.

You seem like you want to claim that a opinion is an opinion and you can’t be right or wrong. Indeed.

But above you already stated my opinion is crap And? That means I am disagreeing with your opinion. Just because your opinion can't be wrong doesn't mean I can't disagree with it.
how about this one, the Hulk is better than Begins and this is not opinion. Sounds like an open minded guy to me. So what were you expecting me to say? Oh yes, those reasons are perfect!!!!!! I totally, totally agree! Of course there will be fire behind my response because of your ignorance.
If I knew it was going to go this far, I would have gone more in depth as I did earlier in this thread.

Now before any of this I didn’t even know you’re also a fellow filmmaker. So when I read your response I figured you were just a casual fan of the movie. But then I found out this…


I was absolutely puzzled. How could someone devote almost half of their life so far to film and be so cretinous in your field at the same time? Good insults, will ignore for the sake of thread.

That’s what a film maker should do! Right away close the door on the suggestion!
That quote said "I heard it was shit" not "OMFG PEOPLE SAY ITS SHIT SO I FUCKING HATE IT!" I will reserve my judgement for after I see the movie obviously.

Your “hide and seek” reasoning is rubbish. Nolan wanted you to wonder where the mysterious Batman was going to come from next. "where is batman?" "there is batmaaaan!" It honestly will never be fun to me. I don't find it exciting in any way.

He wanted you to capture the perspective of the villain. And varied? Sword fights, ninja fights, master and mentor duel, and so on isn’t varied enough? It’s much more varied than spidey fighting on a roof, or a ring, or in an abandoned building, which are also fun to watch, but your point doesn’t wash.
We'll put this down to my bad memory but I can remember the train fights, falling alongside a building fights of Spidey, Batman for me, didn't have that impact.

Never mind that last question. That above paragraph tells me so much. Maybe we’ll get to that later though, Wayne is nothing but the inner struggle he has! That’s what’s pretty much what Bruce Wayne is about. Oh wait I forgot, you wouldn’t remember the back and forth relationship Alfred and Wayne were having during the movie of what his real mission is. Or how Ducard taught Wayne about revenge and Wayne couldn’t after realizing Falcone killed Chill already. Nevermind, lets get back to SPIDERMAN RULES!!! WOOT!!!!
That's the thing I mentioned fell as daft to me.
It was un-impressive spewed bullshit to my ears and as dull as a 5 year old talking about justice and what-not.
We can't argue this obviously. Falls into opinion category.

Again no offense but for a film maker you have a lack of vision and close mindedness. Wayne lost his parents at a young age. The thought of losing you family means nothing? You write as if he’s some rich spoil kid. On the contrary this is a very traumatic event and we watch as he wanders until realizing what it his true destiny.
It wasn't very traumatic. In a so make belied world, how can I be expected to be shocked by someone's parents getting shot? It just doesn't have the emotional impact.

Wow. Amazing, Batman Begins also had simplistic villains like the scarecrow how wanted to hold the city to ransom and Falcone. NOT ONLY THAT MY FRIEND BUT WAIT THERES MORE!!!!! The League of Shadows (or Assassins) had deep characters like Henry Ducard whose mission was to destroy empires and start from the beginning. At the same time being a father figure to Wayne.
That doesn't sound very simple to me and again, the movie did all the League Of Shadows stuff half-hearted. Not enough emphasis so on my part; not enough care.
I found it very hard to be gripped by it no matter how many times I thought about it.
The movie would have worked without them.

You should already know as a film maker that focusing on the villain is simply a stupid idea. You are supposed to focus on Wayne and his struggles. This is what the legacy of Batman is about. Come one man, for 18 you are so amateurish at this.
So much for the open mindedness, I think concentrating on both the villain and the hero can work as Spider-Man proved with both movies. How did they do that, the link between Peter Parker and the Proefessor and the link in real life between Peter Parker and Harry's father.
A great bit of writing there if you ask me but an amateur wouldn't know.

So I’m about done with this. I just wanted to post my thoughts about your close minded, ignorant, at times irrelevant, and times disrespectful responses you have given me the last couple of days.
I didn't mean to disrespect and I didn't mean to be ignorant (though I can see how you get the idea) so I apologise for that.
Like I said I enjoyed Spiderman, but as a film maker you really should take a look at the movies again and start digging into these films. Once you start making shorts you will thank me because you will need the skills Begins uses more than the Spiderman films.
This just annoyed me a bit, you are not my guardian angel and I have made/worked on many short films in every aspect.
Was I a little inflamed with my response? Maybe, but I feel I justified myself with the responses. Oh and one last thing lets agree to disagree, I think I will take a quote from you of the overall feeling I get about you as a film buff, maker, and views.
Again I was disagreeing with your opinion there but again, got a bit carried away.

Notice how it got too personal and how it slowly became more about us instead of the movies?
Not good.

[Crow]

The only real problem I had with the X-Men movies is that they might as well have been called Wolverine.

...that and Iceman was a pussy, and nothing like the character from the comics.

true, the films did revolve around Wolverine and Magneto (hence their "spin-off" films) i thought they had some characters done well, Nightcrawler for example

[Ravster]

X-Men 3 was just downright rushed.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Batman Begins is better than the first spiderman movie by a long shot. Its only a little better than SM2. I suspect SM3 could be better then Begins. But the Dark Knight could be better than them all.

Therefore, for the time being, Batman has better movies.

[Zer0-Sum]

Batman Begins kicked ass. It was a great movie. It had great art direction, great acting, great special effects, and great camera work. I loved it, except for that Butt Fucking Ugly Bobble Head Katie Holmes. EEEWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! She is Nasty. I always want to ask her is she likes to puke much. Glad she is GONE.

Both Spiderman movies were great for the same reasons. Though I hate Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. She is the "Girl Next Door" type, not a "Super Model" Type. MJ was a "Super Model". She is supposed to be the Ultra Hawtness. That is the irony of normal old Peter Parker getting the Ultra Hotty that MJ is supposed to be.

And The Dark Knight movie (Batman 2) will kick all of their assess.