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mario25

03-12-2007, 06:28 AM

LINK (http://au.gamespot.com/features/6167180/index.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot)

So they beg for good news but when good news finally arrive the bash the PS3 anyways????

Also, What's with that weird GIF??...seems so out of place

LiquidEagle

03-12-2007, 06:37 AM

the gif is just a funny picture :-p

It's amazing to see Gamespot go back into their negative rut immediately after saying they haven't heard applause like that which followed LBP in a very long time...

They're also ignoring way too many things and holding way too many double-standards to even make it worth typing about.

Kabbage

03-12-2007, 06:42 AM

Gamespot LAFF LAFF ... LAFF.

They don't like it because MS didnt do it first.

*Waits for woundings defacto ... They raise some valid points whenever anything considered negative about PS3 is posted*

McLaren

03-12-2007, 06:43 AM

who cares what GS/IGN thinks....what matters is the people's reaction

Siraris

03-12-2007, 06:45 AM

This guys a douchebag.

My favorite part is the Achievements section "Make Accomplishments Matter". He's talking about LIVE gamerpoints like THEY mean something, or are something more than JUST a number.

Astonishing.

03-12-2007, 06:50 AM

they did give good impressions on some of the concept, you just have to realize who this site, like many other gaming ones, are addressing. they are talking to juvenile casual gamers and they have to use such writing styles and 'humor' to get with the flow of their 'audience'. there is a reason why these people keep going to these sites instead of much more respectful and knowledgeable ones.

PS. I welcome good criticism and it is very helpful in understanding something and perhaps having an effect on changing it to the better. as long as the criticism is on the spot and logical, I'm all for it. other than that, it's just more voice/text to wade through. that goes for praising as well obviously.

lips

03-12-2007, 06:57 AM

Jay Gee

03-12-2007, 08:17 AM

I would like to know who finds it impossible to ever play online with a playstation game. reviewers may not notice how obvious they can be in console brand preference when they say ps3 is not usable without voice mail boxes, yet claim this sort of thing is more pure gaming than a home environment. 'home' is gaming. voice mail boxes is not. it would be easier of they just said they will not even notice anything that is not the microsoft effort. that would be fine, clear, and we could all move on.
+rep for this post. Their words do tend to step over each other. But like it was mentioned earlier, most people won't notice this sly flip-flopping that GS is employing right now. And they are the ones who are getting shafted by this "journalism." It's also disheartening to see how they were at first impressed with HOME, but now other members of GS are doing a complete 180 on it, saying numerous things that all contradict themselves. It's fairly despicable. The BETA needs to start soon so real people who partake in it can give a pretty unbiased, well-informed description of the service. Creating FUD where there shouldn't be any is just disgusting.

LiquidEagle

03-12-2007, 10:36 AM

+rep for your post, Jay Gee :-p

Like it's been said a million times, GS (and the gaming media in general) has some serious issues, and this has been one for far too long. All of these guys who are thoroughly impressed with HOME's initial showing are suddenly saying, "meh" and preferring systems like Achievements, which HOME makes look archaic.

Sony has a decent number of exclusive third-party games in its PlayStation 3 stable already, and a few of them carry some of the biggest names in the industry (Final Fantasy and Metal Gear may ring a bell). But the support that third parties provide the platform seems to have been driven by their expectations of the PS3's potentially enormous user base rather than a commitment to faithfully continue making games for Sony. Now that Nintendo and Microsoft are both presenting a serious challenge to the PlayStation's market dominance, we're watching one PS3 exclusive after another go multiplatform, which is not providing many satisfied 360 owners with a compelling incentive to pick up a PS3.

There's a catch-22 at work here. Sony needs to get more systems into homes to make third-party publishers want to invest the resources in great exclusive games. But you need great exclusive games to sell systems. I don't know if management at Sony became complacent after the PlayStation 2's ludicrous popularity, but the company can't get lazy about courting and supporting developers this time around. Based on statements by some well-known developers and scuttlebutt I've heard here and there, it seems that Microsoft's tools and developer support are considerably better than Sony's right now. You can't blame developers for going with the platform that lets them create the same great game but requires fewer resources.

I bolded the statement that most makes this writer look like a total jackass who doesn't know what he's talking about. He can listen to the Lorne Lannings of the world if he wants, or he can listen to Kojima, Factor 5, Ted Price, Criterion, etc. when they say "it's tough, but powerful," and they say it with an enthusiasm to really look into that system and show what it's capable of. Separating the men from the boys, here.

Also, ringing the "VF5 and AC are no longer exclusive" bell as if it's some kind of a brand-new death knell for PS3 is getting old. Nobody shat bricks when Kane & Lynch was announced for PS3, media outlets including Gamespot just wanted to prod more at some possibility of MGS4 coming to 360. Not only that, but they're shrugging off Final Fantasy and Metal Gear, two of the biggest franchises ever, and certainly the best of the best when it comes to 3rd parties. "meh, I guess they look as expected." :dur: Get a clue, Gamespot. 1st Party-wise, Sony's showing off more than any other company both on the downloadable front (especially with LBP blowing out the whole world's arse at once), and with Lair, Heavenly Sword (nevermind that this is an exclusive MS let slip away...), Warhawk, Ratchet & Clank, next-gen Wipeout on the horizon, Uncharted (Naughty Dog), Killzone 2...*sigh* the list goes on. What was that noise? Was that Master Chief trying to get our attention? Oh no... it was just Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 and Super Smash Bros trying to be heard as the 1st party exclusives worth contending with...

It's probably going to take more than a microtransaction-filled virtual world to get the PlayStation 3's online functionality where it needs to be.

Whoa whoa whoa... This reminds me of that extremely unpopular party game that involves a mat decorated with "conclusions" that you "jump" to... not to mention completely selling this service short. Not only does he ignore HOME's free-ness as a fully-functional service, he jumps straight to the notion that you're going to have to pay money to get any kind of enjoyment at all, as if there isn't more than enough non-premium content to make HOME worth a $40-$50 investment, and especially a FREE investment. Just this first statement reveals astronomical amounts of negativity, with a high chance of bias.

While I'm definitely interested in the concepts put forth by PlayStation Home,

Come on, don't bullshit me.

what I really want is the ability to read my inbox without having to quit out of a game. How about voicemail messaging so I don't need to reach for my USB keyboard every time I need to tell someone something? The existing community features need to be better integrated into the games before something like PlayStation Home will sound appealing.

There is an on-screen keyboard, and it actually works very well. Granted, the online messaging system does need a good beefing up, but were the roles reversed with any other console, I can guarantee you this author would be hailing HOME as the most brilliant innovation of 2007 or some crap like that. Also, I don't hear oodles and oodles of complaints that you can't message people during a game on a Wii -- somehow that system is selling just fine! zomg!

But PlayStation Home will certainly have its applications. I look forward to getting invited to the private spaces of other users so they can show me their vast collection of ripped DVD porn films and mind-blowing animated GIFs. I also look forward to going to the Sponsored By Big Summer Movie Area, where I can watch the trailer for Big Summer Movie and perhaps even acquire a T-shirt with the logo for Big Summer Movie right on it!

Okay, had enough of that guy. He's clearly a cynic with no idea what Playstation HOME is offering to do for everybody -- if that's all he thinks about when he gets online, that's all he's going to get. Nevermind that HOME has plenty of games embedded in it, and millions of possibilities for both consumers and companies to connect with each other through more than just banner-ads or black-and-white text, and the potential to be an incredible system for social networking among friends or strangers. People like this have no right to insult a company for trying to further online interactivity when they're clearly the porn-junkie and salivating animated-gifster they so despise and claim to not want to run into. If he's only interested in HOME for the ability to mess with people, I'd like his username right now so I can delete his dumb ass from my view :)

In this day and age it seems inexcusable for a multiplayer game to ship without at least a modest suite of options for online play. It's especially frustrating on the PlayStation 3 because the idea of a free online multiplayer is one of the few features that Sony's system has over the Xbox 360. Unfortunately, thus far Sony has shown us that you get what you pay for.

Excuse me? R:FOM has multiplayer that easily dukes it out with Gears of War, which is the only worthwhile XBL title, and sits at 8-players in confined spaces. It's amazing that they can say, "Sony has a free online service, which is good n' all, but we want it to be better than a paid service otherwise it isn't a selling point and detracts from the system." I get free 12-player racing online with Motorstorm, free 40-player online with Resistance, and couldn't be happier with the online gameplay right now. If you want to nitpick about VF5 not being online, talk to Sega, not Sony. It's not like PS3 is incapable of having online fighters -- far from it -- it was Sega's decision to keep it offline since it's such a precise fighter, and IMO it's infinitely more fun to fight against people next to you than faceless players online.

PlayStation 3 games don't have a standard set of online features, so it's a bit of a crapshoot when you're buying a game as to whether or not it will have decent (or any) online multiplayer support. Resistance: Fall of Man and MotorStorm are shining examples of how online games can be done right on the PlayStation 3. And if Sony could guarantee that type of quality online gameplay for every multiplayer game, the system might be worth the investment.

Unfortunately, for every Resistance there are games like Tekken and Virtua Fighter 5, which have no online play whatsoever. Even the games that do have online play are often missing features that are taken for granted on the Xbox 360. Sony needs to take a more active role in setting guidelines for PlayStation 3 games to include such features as online matchmaking, voice chat, in-game messaging, and leaderboards. Basically, Sony needs to rip off Xbox Live. If Sony can do that, then it will at least make the decision to purchase an Xbox 360 game versus a PlayStation 3 game a little less one-sided.

For the first part of that quote, see above. Also, the notion of XB360 vs. PS3 game purchases being one-sided is laughable. Sony doesn't force developers to integrate any certain online features, and it's that same leniance that led to EA not siding with XBL (until MS presumably ponied up some serious dough), and THUG sticking with PS2. Also, with the focus clearly on user-created content, these "features" of XBL are going to be seen for what they are -- cheap (for them, not for you) and worthless.

There's one major reason why I'm not going to buy a PlayStation 3 in the short term--it's just too much money.

Gaming has never been a cheap hobby. Even with trade-ins, pre-owned games and consoles, and rental, to keep up with what's new involves significant costs. The development costs of next-generation games and consoles are reaching movielike levels, and gaming companies are under pressure to maintain their bottom line. But even with the price levels we've become used to, Sony's £425 ($825 US) has caused some shock waves.

The problem is that £425 is a lot of money. If you throw in a couple of games, you're looking at more than £500, which psychologically at least seems a barrier to purchase. While it has the benefits of Blu-ray (if it takes hold) and, later, the PlayStation Home environment, are those really enough to persuade gamers to part with stacks of cash?

Well it's already dominated in Japan and it's already started picking up steam in the US -- why the doubtful note if it's very obviously going to be a strong format??

Imagine for a second that Sony decided to take a bigger loss and cut £100 off the UK launch price. Looking at a £325 price tag would be a significantly different proposition. There's no denying that the PlayStation 3 is an attractive, technologically sophisticated console, and although the games lineup isn't earth-shattering at the moment, it's bound to improve (Metal Gear Solid 4 anyone?). With the Xbox 360 still retailing at about £279, narrowing the price gap would present the consumer with a genuine choice. PlayStation 3 for £325? I'd have my preorder in already.

Oh, man up, honestly. You get what you pay for, and you're getting a whole hell of a lot more with PS3. While MS systems are quickly proving themselves to be 4-year (5 years tops) investments, Sony has shown their consoles have a huge lifespan and it's no secret that the PS3 has a shit-ton more tech than the 360. It's gotten to the point where we shouldn't have to list all of the things the PS3 is providing now -- and as for the bolded statement, you've gotta be kidding me! You want Sony to take an even bigger loss so you can save 100 pounds when you're buying a machine that's going to last like, 10 years!? This is cutting-edge technology and it's an amazingly capable gaming device -- you get what you pay for.

Sony billed the PlayStation 3 as a gaming console that can do everything: "Music, Photos, Internet, Videos, and Movies." It's supposed to be the living-room media center. That might become a reality if Sony iterates more on its Internet and media applications. How is it that a machine as powerful as the PlayStation 3 can't manage to browse more than a few Web sites without crashing? I'll forgive the PSP's horrendous browsing capabilities, but the PlayStation 3 doesn't have any memory storage or processing horsepower excuses. At the very minimum, you have 20GB of storage, plenty of RAM, and an array of processors. What gives?

It comes down to the browsing software, asshat. Also, my PS3 has only crashed once while browsing the web -- in short, you're exaggerating. It'll get better but honestly, how dare you try to put anybody off of a PS3 purchase because the Web Browser right now isn't on the same status as a PC??? This is ridiculous, and (hypothetically) if the PS3 fails miserably, nobody's going to say, "yeah, it had bad web-browsing. Real shame, eh?"

The Cross Media Bar could also use an update. A media hub needs more than simple vertical scrolling to make it useful for listening to audio or viewing video clips. If we all had five songs to our name, the current system would work; but many of us have a lot more songs in the real world where 30GB MP3 players are the norm. You don't vertically scroll your way through 5,000 songs.

Hit the square button, dumb ass.

Filling out media-feature check boxes may make for great box art and marketing brochures, but Sony needs to focus on usability to make sure PS3 owners can actually take advantage of what the system has to offer. The PlayStation 3 has all the hardware to function as a fantastic media center--now make it easy for me to use.

The XMB is insanely easy to use. What are you complaining about here, anyways???

Trophy rooms are nothing new in sports games. Nearly every serious sports sim these days has a place where you can show off the different championships you've won and the unlockable goodies you've achieved during your time with the game. With the PlayStation 3's Home service, Sony is bringing the idea of a trophy room to every game in your PS3 collection. The video clips during Phil Harrison's introduction of the concept showed a futuristic-looking trophy room where a user could access every in-game triumph he or she has earned and show them off to friends.

Obviously, this is Sony's response to Microsoft's incredibly popular achievements system. Here's the thing though: Apart from being good bragging fodder, points, achievements, and the PS3's trophies serve no purpose. To make matters worse--and at the risk of sounding like an egotist here--I'm probably not going to care much about your trophy case, just as I suspect you won't give a sweet Christmas about mine. Instead, we're all simply concerned about our own collections.

That's fine if you want to care only about your own collection -- HOME will still give you a nice shiny trophy room for free. That's way more than the 360 has, and Sony's is free. End of story.

So the key here is to make Sony's achievements matter; to have them mean something more than a mild virtual ego stroke. The question is: How? Unlockable content is a good start. For example, if you win the world championship in Formula One Championship Edition on the hardest difficulty, you could earn a new wing for your apartment. Or how about access to a special "champions only" locale in the public Home space showing you "insider" coverage on the development of the next Formula One game or special access to the development team?

Is this your suggestion for how HOME could destroy the competition features-wise? Because it already has... this would be pure icing on top of icing, which would taste great but is unnecessary when games like God of War already to a good job with unlockables.

The bottom line is that trophies need to be more than little graphics you can walk by and admire. If the PS3 can find a way to trump the mere numerical status of Xbox Live achievements and reward Home users with something to do and show off--essentially improving the status of the player--then I suspect we'll all become big game trophy hunters

...Did you even watch Phil's keynote? When you beat games, you unlock various items for your character to do EXACTLY THAT. Go nitpick something else, because you failed at nitpicking here.

The Game Developers Conference was Sony's chance to sell me on something brand new and prove that I can't live without my PlayStation 3. Offering a new experience is how Nintendo sold me on the Wii controller and what Microsoft has done with points on the Xbox 360. Give me that one thing--a service, a feature, a gadget, anything--that convinces me the PlayStation 3 gives me a new way of playing games and changes what I expect from consoles in the future.

Reading through all this bullshit is making me tired... I can't believe this guy's ability to be unreasonable. He's placing this burden on Sony to show him why he must be willing to slaughter children to purchase a PS3, yet didn't do the same with Nintendo or MS, two companies with a much worse track record of consistency. He picked up the Wii solely because the controller is different -- nowhere and at no time has Nintendo proven that you MUST be playing with the Wiimote in order to enjoy games, or that you absolutely must have the Wii to survive. This is no failure on the part of Nintendo, it's just an indication of the double-standard this author is holding Sony to. I'm pulling down on my face in agony right now over how weak his statement is about the 360 showing him he can't live without it. "In points," he says. Please, be more specific. Are you that guy who rated PD0 a 9.0? You must be, because you're some kind of optimist about the 360 compared to how much you're willing to nitpick on the Playstation 3. If Sony hasn't shown at least 10x more technology and potential in the PS3 than there ever will be in the 360, then you're a real journalist.

The thing is, Home isn't it. It all sounds cool and interesting, but when I really consider how useful and user-friendly Sony's upcoming online service will be, apathy sets in. The socializing aspect reminds me too much of Second Life and The Sims Online, neither of which makes interacting with others any more fun than sending an instant message or chatting on the phone. And it all strikes me as too cluttered to matter all that much. Aside from adding a few minigames, how much will Home really add to the core gaming experience? I'm interested in playing games, not in inhabiting a 3D interactive MySpace.

Great attitude, moron. "HOME isn't the be-all end-all of existence, so it's not worth mentioning as a strong selling-point and a real step forward for Sony where no other console manufacturer has looked." If you're that down on socializing online, stop writing shitty articles in my beloved industry and start hauling my garbage or placing those little elevation markers on isolated mountains.

On the other hand, the announcement of player trophies appeals to me, but it looks like Sony is capitulating to the need to counter Xbox Live gamerpoints. It's good that Sony is listening to what people want to some extent, months after release, mind you, but I'm still waiting for the announcement of something both significant and inventive. Home is original, but until I see how it increases the ease with which I can play games with others (and I don't mean billiards), it's not something I really need or want in a game console.

They showed that -- clan meetings at an apartment before/after a game, and launching directly into a game with others -- it's in the f**king trailer -- did you get that memo, or were you too busy feeling sorry for yourself as a sorry-ass anti-social wannabe journalist?

Because I run tournaments at GameSpot, I am always looking at new ways to spectate games in progress. How about an option that doesn't just let me see what a buddy's playing but also lets me view the game in progress, even if it's single player?

That is a terrible idea.

What about built-in game guides, so that if I am stuck, I can bring up a walk-through without resorting to Internet guides?

Or you could stop being a freakin' sissy. If you get stuck in a game it's either the developer's fault for making an unintuitive game or your fault for being an idiot. How about we don't fault Sony for not helping you cheat?

I don't know if these ideas could fundamentally change the way we look at games, but they're based on a single notion: How could playing games be even better? All the bright ideas in the world won't make playing games on the PS3 better than on any other gaming machine until the people at Sony ask themselves the same question--and deliver a real answer.

I'm glad they aren't asking you -- your ideas were horrible and they're better off not listening to you.

Microsoft has shown us that the first generation of microtransaction offerings will be horse armor and episodic content for games and full-length movie features and television shows for videos. It's great for a first try, but the console manufacturers are capable of doing a whole lot more. The digital distribution and microtransaction support in today's consoles give Sony, Microsoft, and, to some extent, Nintendo a huge opportunity to invent new ways to deliver games and other media.

How about subsidizing television shows or movies in the PlayStation Home Theater with paid sponsorships? I'd be willing to sit though a few commercials if it means I can watch Spiderman 3 for free or at a discounted price. For Sony, the best thing about controlling the delivery medium is that, unlike TiVo, viewers won't be able to fast forward while sitting in the theater.

Game companies could also try experimenting with pricing. Maybe launch a massively multiplayer online game at a ridiculously low price and start charging a more reasonable rate after reaching a critical mass of online players. At the moment, it seems like the game companies are primarily concentrating on ways to use microtransactions to extract the most money possible out of each customer with inconsequential add-ons, or worse: game features that should have been included in the original.

The PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 both have the potential to become revolutionary content delivery platforms. Let's see which one gets there first.

Just a few points ago your pal was blasting Sony for supposedly creating a world full of microtransactions and now you're telling them to put more of it in?? Man I hope Sony doesn't read this article and I'm glad they aren't a small child. You'd give them all kinds of complexes along with bad ideas.

Even with the intriguing news announced at the Game Developers Conference, it's still hard to look at the PlayStation3 as much more than an extremely expensive novelty, especially considering Sony's spotty history with hardware problems for both the original PlayStation and the PlayStation 2. What Sony needs to do to catch my eye, and the eyes of shrewd consumers, is to make the console a solid long-term investment overall in three primary ways. First, the company should ensure that hardware failures cause its users a minimum of inconvenience. There needs to be a fast, reliable way to get any hardware issue resolved (whether that be through mail-order, service centers, or both) along with a retroactive lifetime guarantee on every unit sold. Given the infamous track record of unreliability that PlayStation hardware has, putting down $600 (and much more in Euros) is a hard commitment to make, but a worry-free guarantee of fast and perpetual support for repairs would help.

Name one hardware problem even remotely widespread in the PS3. Oh that's right, there aren't any. By this time last year, the 360s were exploding with red lights, noisy fans, heat issues, and hardware failures left, right, and every where else -- yet somehow you're faulting Sony for not providing support for an issue that hasn't even come up yet? Sony has a somewhat spotty track record, but make no mistake about who really ruined the desire to get a launch system: Microsoft. The 360 is far and away the least reliable console to date, yet Sony is paying for their mistakes by an uninformed consumer who is constantly subjected to rumors about hardware issues in the PS3 (as somebody who talks to infinitely more game consumers than you, believe me).

Second, stronger game support with a much-wider array of titles to choose from would also help. Because right now, there just aren't that many PS3 games out there, good or bad. Finally, Sony needs to provide stronger support of the hardware with value additions that make the PS3 more than just a game console. PS3 Home is an interesting start, but as a Blu-ray player, for instance, the hardware has stalled. Unlike the original PS2, which was arguably a Trojan Horse for the DVD format back in 2000 and sold extremely well as the first DVD player for many households, the PS3 hasn't been anywhere near as successful with the Blu-ray format.

Obviously, these are not easy, short-term things to pull off, but at the moment, there isn't much of an answer to the question: "When we pay the price for a PS3, what are we getting in exchange for all that money?" There needs to be a bigger, and much more exciting, answer to that question than there is now.

Look at the PS2 at this relative point in its life-cycle -- DVDs were still barely taking off (much like Blu-Ray), and the only worthwhile games were TimeSplitters, SSX, and arguably ATV Offroad Fury. Yet, the PS2 went on to destroy the competition because it had games on the horizon that blew minds. Take a look at the PS3's upcoming game roster for 2007 alone and I dare you to say there isn't a TON of enticing stuff on there for everybody. When you plunk down that money for the PS3, you're getting the most capable console ever created -- certainly more than the 360 provided as an upgrade.

I already own a PlayStation 3, so obviously Sony didn't need to do much to convince me to drop $600 on one, but it's going to take some work to convince the rest of the game-buying public to climb on board. In spite of all the negative publicity, lots of people are planning on getting a PlayStation 3 at some point; they just need a reason to take the plunge. The recent announcement of the PlayStation Home online service is a great first step in getting people excited about the system again, but Sony needs to keep this momentum going with a series of positive announcements.

This solution may sound absurdly simple, but try to remember the last time before the "Home" announcement that you read anything good about what Sony was doing with the PlayStation 3. It was a long time ago, wasn't it? It doesn't necessarily need to be big news all of the time, but let people know that things are going well. Tell us you've got a big game locked up as an exclusive, brag about a new original downloadable game, continue to release classic PlayStation games on the PS3 for play on the PSP, and while you're at it, make them playable on the PlayStation 3 as well.

This is nobody's fault but your own and the "journalistic" community to which you belong. I love how he asks Sony to brag about a downloadable game, too. Sony truly can't win with these morons...

Okay, I'm done with this. Screw Gamespot.

Probably tons of typos in there but whatever, this took me forever to write :laugh:

frosty

03-12-2007, 10:53 AM

Good God man, that's probably the longest single post forum rant I've ever seen!

Smokey

03-12-2007, 10:53 AM

+ rep for the effort LiquidEagle :)

edit : can i get an audio tape of that post Liquid lol

hevymac

03-12-2007, 11:15 AM

I've been a member for about 5 years now but last week I ended my subscription.... But dear GOD they make it difficult to do!!! And I kept getting shit from the admin whenever I asked them (how to cancel my subscription) and then when I asked on the forums I got messages saying that I'll be band If I CONTINUE my bashing of Gamespots reviews??????? What the F@#K was that about?????
Then I got a link from a dude on the forum who was going to cancel aswell.....

LiquidEagle

03-12-2007, 11:24 AM

Side note, any time I wrote things in an accusatory way (like, "I've dealt with more game consumers than you") I'm talking to Gamespot, not you guys. I wrote it in spurts so I kinda changed tenses.... damn that post was long... sleep time :laugh:

totobeni

03-12-2007, 11:26 AM

actually they lost their credibility after the "JUMP IN " ads in PS3 section ...

i have no respect for them...

but C'MON gamespot even famous anti sony sites love PS HOME like 1up and Kotaku ..

BTW LiquidEagle that was the post of the century..great..

Bliss

03-12-2007, 11:43 AM

I really like the idea behind Home, that's great ! GREAT !

Gamespot ? I have zero respect for them...they are poor men...no further words...

CARTIER90

03-12-2007, 12:05 PM

I myself am fu****g astounded at the effort that Sony has put into HOME and cannot for the life of me understand why the media is not in support of them. Can people not see the possibilities ?, while Phil speaks in a very 'corporate' way - (buzz words) , Sony actually have carried off what they intended - a social miniworld which is a blend of 'web 2.0' features such as video sharing and voice/messaging capabilities.
Give Sony props for the effort at least !, look what we have with the PS2, still for most people a introverted experience - the PS3 really is a quantum leap in terms of how you play and interact with other gamers, hell you can show off with trophies.

I have the utmost confidence in Sony - seems like the media have a almost fundamentalist level of disdain for the PS3 - odd.......

Venat

03-12-2007, 12:12 PM

Will after a huge announcements from Sony, a huge bashing is must.

yoshaw

03-12-2007, 12:15 PM

That post of Liquid made me want to get back to Broadband asap. Working on it. +rep eagle for the great counter argument!

VG Aficionado

03-12-2007, 12:24 PM

totobeni

03-12-2007, 12:41 PM

There's something wrong with Gamespot

QFT

not just Jump in ads in PS3 section , not that Madden screens scandal , not even why they late on any PS3 good News and the stupid Reviews for PS3 games ( and PS2 as well ) or why the site have no exclusive PS3's related story-news since..well ages ago ....but it's more than this ...

03-12-2007, 12:47 PM

That post of Liquid made me want to get back to Broadband asap. Working on it. +rep eagle for the great counter argument!

ah, how times change. lol.
hang in there bud. I've been hanging for 6 years...literally! :salute:

IEatFriedPikmin

03-12-2007, 02:22 PM

i find it hard to believe that some of you guys think PSN is better than Live just because of Home. Live is way more than just the achievement system.

VG Aficionado

03-12-2007, 02:35 PM

i find it hard to believe that some of you guys think PSN is better than Live just because of Home. Live is way more than just the achievement system.And so is Home. There are many services in Home that Live doesn't offer, and that's taking into account that Home is free of charge to download and use, even though there will be premium content that we'll have to pay for, but at least matchmaking has always been free and so should be the trophies and the ability to stream our multimedia files to our friends in our private space.

Even if we don't take into account that Home is a 3D social community service for free with all the features that Live does not offer for free, how do you possibly find it hard to believe it can't be better? I'd understand that you said "let's wait and see", but when you say "it can't be better because Live is more than achievements" you're just not seeing the big picture at all.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-12-2007, 02:49 PM

i honestly havent looked a lot into home... i know its suppose to be an integration of miis and the achievement system... you can build your own house and decorate it or whatever, visit other peoples house, etc. which sounds cool i guess.... i just have a hard time believing Home alone can outbeat Live and be THE reason to purchase a ps3 (Live is the reason i bought a 360). ill try to look more into it now that i am on spring break... i was just basing my opinion off of what i have read when it was first released.

stanDarsh

03-12-2007, 03:08 PM

I wouldnt call Home the one and only reason to buy PS3 either. It and a number of reasons are the reason you would buy a PS3. To me PS3 has a lot to offer in a number of different ways, and caters to a very broad audience. That's the beauty of it.

The reason people are getting excited for Home is because it's not something that's been truly integrated and exploited on a console before, it goes far beyond achievements and miis, and opens up a new jar of worms and has the potential to go far beyond what we've seen and been told about thus far. To me that is exciting and something to look forward to, along with a whole heap of games headed our way, downloadable content, bluray movies, etc. I wouldn't buy a PS3 just for PSN and I wouldnt buy a Wii just for the Weather service.

On another note I'm surprised Live is the reason you bought an Xbox360. To me thats like saying I bought a massively expensive PC for the internet.

Viano

03-12-2007, 03:12 PM

home Home HOME !!!HOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMME!!!!!!!

too exciting hehheheh

I'm sorry but Home is the coolest thyt for consoles.. and no one should doubt about it..

Please don't double post. Use the edit button instead

okok hahahhaha

pari

03-12-2007, 03:19 PM

i find it hard to believe that some of you guys think PSN is better than Live just because of Home. Live is way more than just the achievement system.

What does Live do more than PSN? Ease of use or great looking UI? Currently PSN does not have a great achievement system (IMHO) and back ground downloading.

i honestly havent looked a lot into home... i know its suppose to be an integration of miis and the achievement system... you can build your own house and decorate it or whatever, visit other peoples house, etc. which sounds cool i guess.... i just have a hard time believing Home alone can outbeat Live and be THE reason to purchase a ps3 (Live is the reason i bought a 360). ill try to look more into it now that i am on spring break... i was just basing my opinion off of what i have read when it was first released.

Then what exactly is Live and what can it do better than the supposed Home? Do IPTV in November? Live is one way interaction, there is no system in place for sharing user content and Home is promising to let user share their contents. Closest I believe would be XNA, but that is more of game developing. Singstar is not greate in US, but Sony is putting in place to allow users to share their Singstar performance video.

If Home is just an extension of miis and the achievement system, then I would say Live is an extension of what was available in the computer game space to the console space. Do you think, what I say does justice to Live? MS did extend quite a bit for Live and now Sony is extending that further IMHO.

The example I could think of is, Sinclair DB spectrum had D&D type game which was all text and no graphics, you played the game interacting through the text. D&D games evolved to include graphics, which is main stay of all RPG games now. D&D games in DB spectrum was great at that time, but now I cannot play without graphics for Dungeons to visualize. Live does not have the visualization for interaction that Home is providing for interaction. Its just a next step in evolution.

The following link summarizes the evolution of blogging which I believe is similar to Live & Home evolution.

http://mashable.com/2007/03/11/twitter/

and copied their image file which summarizes the whole interactive evolution through cat version.

cliffbo

03-12-2007, 03:20 PM

he's just trashed my HOME. arrest that man!!!! don't let this idiot coral everyone into believing that HOME is the only reason to buy a PS3! HOME is a reason but only one of many... what this guy has done single handedly is given 360 owners a new weapon in the console war.

'I'm not interested in HOME.... and thats all PS3 has'

bastard!!! and i used to like listening to this guy

stanDarsh

03-12-2007, 03:22 PM

IEFP is free to express his views on Home. We don't have to like it, but we should respect what he has to say nonetheless.

cliffbo

03-12-2007, 03:25 PM

IEFP is free to express his views on Home. We don't have to like it, but we should respect what he has to say nonetheless.

i respect common sense

F089/H

03-12-2007, 03:28 PM

cliffbo

03-12-2007, 03:36 PM

to be fair though this is A journalist not Gamespot as a whole

Garfunkel

03-12-2007, 03:47 PM

PSN/home and live are completely different systems, IMO ATM they are not comparable besides the fact that they allow you to communicate online. I think we should really wait for home to hit public beta before we start comparing them...

curryking1

03-12-2007, 04:20 PM

IEFP, this is why you watch the GDC presentation so we're all on the same page talking about the same stuff.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6S1DTQHH

Might want to read/watch some interviews with Phil Harrison as well as he answers to some questions and concerns, like people abusing the system and causing a ruckus.

Just going by you saying you haven't looked a lot into Home, I recommend watching the first half of this 50 min video, so you can get a better idea of what it's about for your own information.

I have no problem with opinions, but t3h kn0l3Dge is PowA! J/k, but always best to get all the most important information and then make a judgment.

MasaC

03-12-2007, 05:32 PM

I've just cancelled my subscription on Gamespot and I don't plan on visiting their site anymore. They've become so bias toward MS and xbox 360 over the last year it's sickening to the stomach. They're not getting my money anymore.

It's has become so totally obvious that they're bought by MS.

P.S LiquidEagle, thanks for that great post. I totally agree with you! Hit them where it hurts. Cancel your subscriptions and don't visit their site anymore.

cliffbo

03-12-2007, 06:26 PM

you know... to hell with this negative news! what we've got here is a community of really nice guys, and thats what Sony want in HOME...

NeoPlayStation

03-12-2007, 06:28 PM

GameSpot does't like Home. I don't like GameStop. So I love Home :)

Jay Gee

03-12-2007, 06:45 PM

Liquid, you have to email that rant to Gamespot :) They might take it seriously! Remember the thread that uncovered the bullsh*t behind the Madden comparison and how a Gamespot guy came here to defend their article. There's something wrong with Gamespot and we will find out what it is :-p

+reppage!
Agreed 2007% with this post. Just get somebody to do some revisions, then send that little diddy off to that douchebag, post haste. The venom in it is absolutely deadly. I doubt he'll have an answer to any of your rebuttals. +rep for that, Eagle.

Rip3001

03-12-2007, 06:53 PM

i honestly havent looked a lot into home....

Then by all means, check out the realtime live demonstration. HOME isn't meant to be the PS3's Xbox live, that for the new ingame Cross Media Bar. HOME is social gaming and community building taken to the next generation.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17701&type=wmv&pl=game

For some reason, Gametrailers left off the final segment of the Home demonstration. Sony is giving every company the ability to create their own "Home Space" based on a specific game or series and is apperently "very easy" to do by grabing elements from their own game, basicly everything you see in the Home presentation is available for an individual game's Home Space. Examples of this would be a massive Temple for Kratos from God of War created in prestine HD where users could explore and see statues of creatures and characters, leaderboards, multiplayer minigames that Home users can walk up to and join in.

Also any company can have a Home Space, not just game companies. Nike, Subway, Starbucks, all could have a Home Space and offer services or just a fun place to hang out with friends. Yes, it's extremely geek, but kinda chic.

Many people are very anxious to see Squaresoft's Final Fantasy Home Space, should be the defenition of "breathtaking."

They are even open to companies such as Nintendo creating a Mushroom Kingdom inside Home...but the chances of such a thing would be slim at best...but would be very cool.

jaxmkii

03-12-2007, 07:05 PM

you guys should see GS forums... the forum members in the PS3 section are collectivly tearing the editors a new ones

GS reaction... MASS BANNINGS!

they are literaly dealing with a rebelion on there hands... god they suck

Jay Gee

03-12-2007, 07:31 PM

Wow, how pathetic of them. It's bad when the more mainstream videogame sites start openly showing their bias towards a brand and their console. It's open to pollute casual gamers who just stop by for some news and directly influence them. Again, truly pathetic.

On a more hilarious note, I found this at the 360 board for broken 360s.
Thank god. Finally some place were we can talk about our busted 360s.
LMFAO!

EDIT: Okay, I'll stop now. Promise. LOL

jaxmkii

03-12-2007, 07:32 PM

^lol

cliffbo

03-12-2007, 07:39 PM

every time we get good news about the PS3, bad news follows... its happened far too often to be a coincidence IMHO. hold fast, be patient, reward will be ours. what we have to remember here is that this business is the biggest business in the world now and it suits big businesses for this type of negativity to be described as pure fanboyism, it takes our eye on the real reasons for deliberate corporate interference: MONEY... LOTS OF IT! if you can't beat em... beat em up, is the new corporate philosophy and one that regrettable seems almost entirely western. the internet is becoming the propaganda machine that i described way back in an article about the net and its potential for corporate control. if you control the minds of many the few will follow like sheep, but this also highlights the strength of Sony, because as hard as some people try they remain strong and committed to their own philosophy.

curryking1

03-12-2007, 07:55 PM

Problem is, it's not just bad news. It's more like some amazing news happens (Home) and then suddenly 'news' sites start making random editorials evaluating every problem and every nook and cranny of the systembefore they've even tried it out!

How do you know it'll be a problem/issue/etc before it's even launched? How do you know all that already? How do you know what problems will already be taken care of when it does launch?

These are just random, half baked, weak analyses of something that they haven't even taken in yet, much less experienced.

This is no different than saying 'I think this game is going to have X, Y, and Z problem' because they've named some features, before you've even experienced how the dev is actually implementing said features. For example, this is like some moron saying GTA is going to have so many problems with making a sandbox game, but before GTA has even come out and they've played it! Have patience you retarded people!

I mean ***k! The freaking beta test isn't even that long off! Didn't they wait for the Vista Beta test to at least try out the thing and then make an analysis of it? Damn GS! Why the boot for Home?

Talk about getting ahead of themselves. They probably came to the conclusion that one hype story and one follow up hating story would generate the most hits.

It's plain lunacy. *****ng sensationalist media. Again, if you have an opinion, which this clearly is (and not only an opinion, an opinion made far too soon without enough actual supporting evidence FROM EXPERIENCE), write it in your freaking editorial.

News is news. Didn't GS used to have that column thing where every editor would write a column about some topic in gaming and what they thought about it? That's the place to say what you think. But even still, how on earth did they come to a conclusion so early, that's any idiot's guess.

Jay Gee

03-12-2007, 07:58 PM

jaxmkii

03-12-2007, 08:04 PM

its funny how GS has destroyed there crediblity. to the point where even the lemmings are questioning there motives.

Sephiroth_VII

03-12-2007, 08:08 PM

jaxmkii

03-12-2007, 08:14 PM

^ its useless to give a link as they are erasing threads and banning users within mins of any uprisings... soon the only ones that will be left are the one that agree with them.

SleazyBig slim

03-12-2007, 08:17 PM

IEatFriedPikmin

03-12-2007, 08:18 PM

ill check it out, but stop the bashing of Live. I am sure it is a different experience, and i am sure a majority of you who dont even have 360s havent been able to experience it as much as you should.

Kabbage

03-12-2007, 08:19 PM

Live sux... Pay to play my ass.

RofflBBQ

Rip3001

03-12-2007, 08:25 PM

Live sux... Pay to play my ass.
RofflBBQ

Does your ass offer achiements and voice chat?...Buddy list?

jaxmkii

03-12-2007, 08:26 PM

Link please? I'll join in! :gunner::tardbang:

this has been posed by GS as a sticky in the main fourms!

Okay, everyone that comes here has at least seen one of these whiny threads saying that GS hates the PS3...Well, from now on everyone that makes one of these threads will be suspended for a minimum of 5 days. If you guys don't like GS, don't post here. It's not hard and you're not being forced.

Instead of worrying about who is biased play your systems or post POSITIVELY about the system you obviously love. The only people that worry about fanboys ARE fanboys, that seem to see things through a veil that doesn't quite show things as they are, but more how they want to see them.

Also, in part with this, bringing up the Xbox 360 to troll, to make a direct comparison to something negatively or to complain about something involving the 360 will also get the 5 day treatment. There is an old sticky regarding this, but I'm bringing it up again.

Thank you and enjoy your posting.

To all of you that think this violates you first amendment rights...This is a privately owned organization with it's own set of rules, the Terms of Use. You don't have freedom of speech unless it falls within that frame of reference. None of this does since it is trolling the staff.

Please note that this is still in effect.

in other words... agree with us or die!

Instead of worrying about who is biased play your systems or post POSITIVELY about the system you obviously love. yet they can trash talk Sony all day!?!

cliffbo

03-12-2007, 08:27 PM

the boney king of nowhere.

03-12-2007, 08:39 PM

i think some of you need to realise that live is a great service.
sony will have to do a lot with home to establish the same success as microsoft.

and yeah, haha, gamespot. what a shitter.

LiquidEagle

03-12-2007, 09:20 PM

i think some of you need to realise that live is a great service.
sony will have to do a lot with home to establish the same success as microsoft.

Live is a good service, but you're still paying for things that have been free on PC for ages. What upsets us here is that Sony has shown community features that leave XBL in the dust, and when they do, people who are unwilling to give Sony any credit resort to simply saying, "it's all about the games anyways" or something like that. It's this kind of double-standard people continue to hold Sony to that's getting people worked up, and it's gotten very old.

curryking1

03-12-2007, 09:31 PM

wow Curry this has really put a flea up your arse! lol... i have to agree though... just chill and be safe in the knowledge that these reprobates will slip back into the quagmire pretty soon....

I like to write passionately ;)

I just think it's stupid for them to present stuff like that as a news site. I'd rather have fun with it though hehehe :D

It's true though, it's just way too early to put any labels or completely evaluate anything of it really, pros or cons. What happened to innocent until proven guilty though, hahaha, they're throwing the system out the window and saying it's ineffective, but we haven't really touched it at all yet.

03-12-2007, 09:33 PM

I'm banking on Sony's tenacity and desire to give the consumer a great product that will last them for years. You don't hear anymore stories about PS3s overheating or breaking. They're over the hardware hump and are currently getting ready to topple the software hurdle for the second half of this year. That's something that no amount of FUD can change.
'anymore'? did I miss something? PS3 units never had technical issues since they released which is an incredible feat given a lot of circumstances. sure, Jhonny boy will say he fries eggs on a PS3 in his free blog, but if the major news sources didn't report on the issue, then I don't care what a 12 year old that got internet access two weeks ago wants me to think.

ill check it out, but stop the bashing of Live. I am sure it is a different experience, and i am sure a majority of you who dont even have 360s havent been able to experience it as much as you should.

Live is a very good service, and I don't think anyone doubt that for a second. some may debate the pricing issues, some of the policies, etc. but as a unified online network for the console, it is great and it helped push online for consoles like no other.

also, some of the arguments here are directed to those who claim a huge free service such as Home is a 'rip off' of a pure numerical scoring system used in Live or by a cartoon creation app used by Rev.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-12-2007, 09:36 PM

Live is like 4 bucks a month. I dont see why people have trouble wrapping their mind around that.

And it is a lot more unified than any PC online service. the whole setup is just awesome. its simple, its hassle free, the buddy setup is great, and all the games are pretty much setup in a similar fashion... you know when people come on, you know what they are playing, Live Arcade has a great selection... demos are available for arcade games and pre-release games... and thats just scratching the service. there are millions of reasons why people like live.

I saw the video of Home, and although i was confused on what the point was in the video, it looked cool.

jaxmkii

03-12-2007, 09:43 PM

^ did you know that the -Stamp tax act- the english imposition of a tax on all legal forms in the american coloneys resulted in a cost that was equil to that of todays postage? yet that small jesture was veiwed upon as pesident. a president that americans could not allow to be established and along with other events resulted in the US revelution just a few years later.

4 buck a month may seem like small change but it establishes a president that we should pay for online..

what if suddenly you where expected to pay to listen to the radio?

LiquidEagle

03-12-2007, 09:49 PM

Live is like 4 bucks a month. I dont see why people have trouble wrapping their mind around that.

I don't think anybody has trouble understanding that -- Live costs money, PC games don't, and that's why Sony made their online gameplay free -- it's been standard-issue for many years. I'm not going to give a company $50 of mine when I can get it for free elsewhere, man.

And it is a lot more unified than any PC online service. the whole setup is just awesome. its simple, its hassle free, the buddy setup is great, and all the games are pretty much setup in a similar fashion... you know when people come on, you know what they are playing, Live Arcade has a great selection... demos are available for arcade games and pre-release games... and thats just scratching the service. there are millions of reasons why people like live.

xfire has done the exact same things for PC (which would probably explain why Sony started working with them), and Blizzard's Battle.net service has always been reliable and great while still being free. Also, PSN lets you know when people log on/off, and tells you what they are playing, and PSN is building up a library of completely original games, things you can't find on any other system. Demos too... The only thing PSN really lacks right now is the ability to message friends while playing games and check your own messages while in a game... Chatting-wise, you can do voice-chat by inviting somebody to a chat, plus I've used my EyeToy to do video chat with friends before and it works great.

The Dude

03-12-2007, 11:07 PM

Ocelot9

03-12-2007, 11:12 PM

+Rep, Awesome Post Liquid. I've noticed this too with Gamespot and Xbots in general. If 360 invented "Home" or "LBP" it would the greatest thing EVAR! I usually don't read long posts but I was glued to yours. Sony are damned if they do and damned if they don't...according to the media these days.

Sephiroth_VII

03-12-2007, 11:28 PM

There's a saying that my friends have about buying a car

It can be fast, reliable, or cheap. Pick two.

If it's fast and reliable it will be expensive
If it's fast and cheap it won't be reliable
If it's reliable and cheap it won't be fast

I think the same applies to online gaming. Just look at how many people pay to play Word of Warcraft.

I somehow doubt that this can be used in any way to compare XBL and PSN...

Sure, Live is pretty good, bu I have no doubt that Sony will match, or possibly even surpass it in the future. MS has 5 years of experience with Live, Sony just started, and when you look at it that way, they're doing really great.

edoshin

03-12-2007, 11:38 PM

I somehow doubt that this can be used in any way to compare XBL and PSN...

Sure, Live is pretty good, bu I have no doubt that Sony will match, or possibly even surpass it in the future. MS has 5 years of experience with Live, Sony just started, and when you look at it that way, they're doing really great.

I'd say not at all comparable in the least. When u've walked out of the showroom, that's the end of the deal between you and the dealership. PSN, while free to the consumer, is geared toward generating cashflow by many different revenue streams. There are ad placements, all kinds of downloadable content, demos and trailers to advertise games, music and movie stores, etc, etc.. I'm already looking forward to buying a lot of songs from Singstar. The business model does not HAVE to look like the one MS conceived to be "good". Google does not charge you for using their search engine, iTunes does not make u sign up for a monthly service charge. That's just the tip of the iceberg. In fact, its MS that is always trying to catch up to the likes of Netscape and iTunes, so I would not necessarily look to them to lead the revolution.

Jay Gee

03-12-2007, 11:39 PM

'anymore'? did I miss something? PS3 units never had technical issues since they released which is an incredible feat given a lot of circumstances. sure, Jhonny boy will say he fries eggs on a PS3 in his free blog, but if the major news sources didn't report on the issue, then I don't care what a 12 year old that got internet access two weeks ago wants me to think.
This is what I was referring to. There were initial reports of PS3s overheating. Those same reports only lasted a few weeks at best. One or two Youtube videos for confirmation, but that was it. The month after that? Nothing. No tales of the red light of death, nor of anybody sending their consoles to Sony to have them fixed. Meanwhile, that 360 thread I jokingly posted up earlier is still getting posted in right up to this day.

Every guy who shouted from the rooftops that the PS2 was a fragile, bone brittle console won't have a damn thing to say about the PS3's stability.

Sephiroth_VII

03-12-2007, 11:44 PM

I'd say not at all comparable in the least. When u've walked out of the showroom, that's the end of the deal between you and the dealership. PSN, while free to the consumer, is geared toward generating cashflow by many different revenue streams. There are ad placements, all kinds of downloadable content, demos and trailers to advertise games, music and movie stores, etc, etc.. I'm already looking forward to buying a lot of songs from Singstar. The business model does not HAVE to look like the one MS conceived to be "good". Google does not charge you for using their search engine, iTunes does not make u sign up for a monthly service charge. That's just the tip of the iceberg. In fact, its MS that is always trying to catch up to the likes of Netscape and iTunes, so I would not necessarily look to them to lead the revolution.

Exactly. The PSN might look free, but under the surface, it's sponsored by ads, microtransactions, and the fees that 3rd party devs most likely has to pay to put stuff in the PS store.

curryking1

03-12-2007, 11:50 PM

Itunes was a hell of a good example. It's a great piece of work, but if you want, you can buy more music off of it (which I don't, I like to keep it 'non-legal' :hehe:). Free entry, a you can buy more stuff if you want.

I sure as hell wouldn't pay for any music player, cd burning software, anything if it's quite likely that there is the place or opportunity or possibility I don't have to pay for it.

IEFP makes a good point about Live. For what it is, it's actually really cheap. That's why it's such a great service. 4 bucks a month is cheap. And obviously there are thousands of good things to say about it. There wouldn't be as many people on it as there are if there weren't so many good things about it. I wouldn't be that suprised if I had an Xbox and got Live if I was allowed.

For me though, I've always been stuck to free things, I hate subscriptions, I don't buy stuff online, I'm just not that kind of consumer. I'm impressed and happy I can get a very featured service for free with the PS3. That's all I want, I have to say it again. I just want to play online, talk to people, play some pool and bowling. I'm done. I can get it free? Damn, sign me up.

I'm just perfectly happy with buying my game, putting it in my console, and I'm done. That's all I want.

jaxmkii

03-12-2007, 11:55 PM

There's a saying that my friends have about buying a car

It can be fast, reliable, or cheap. Pick two.

If it's fast and reliable it will be expensive
If it's fast and cheap it won't be reliable
If it's reliable and cheap it won't be fast

I think the same applies to online gaming. Just look at how many people pay to play Word of Warcraft.
the thing is PSN will be payed for buy advertising... although you can directly aplly this to all three consoles themselfs...

If it's fast and reliable it will be expensive... PS3
If it's fast and cheap it won't be reliable... 360
If it's reliable and cheap it won't be fast ... Wii

curryking1

03-12-2007, 11:59 PM

^I think both XBL and PSN (in the future) are reliable and fast. I don't really know about the Mii stuff so I won't make judgment. They just pay their expenses differently. I like PSN's approach better, and think it has more growing room though, and a quicker method for growth. That's just my intuition.

But anyways, PSN and XBL are prob. both in the reliable, fast, and expensive category. Expense just directed differently.

The Dude

03-13-2007, 12:01 AM

the thing is PSN will be payed for buy advertising...

In that case I'm glad I'm spending $4 a month to keep those unsightly ads away from my eyes

If it's fast and reliable it will be expensive... PS3
If it's fast and cheap it won't be reliable... 360
If it's reliable and cheap it won't be fast ... Wii

Agreed

Sephiroth_VII

03-13-2007, 12:08 AM

So, you're against ads being displayed on screens in a virtual world? To be honest, I thought it was a really cool concept, and most of them will probably be gaming-related anyway.

curryking1

03-13-2007, 12:10 AM

I like the ads on the wall lol, it's like going to a mall. Feels very unobtrusive, just adds colour lol. I never pay attention to ads in the mall anyways, I just look at how they look hahaha :)

Ocelot9

03-13-2007, 12:14 AM

For me though, I've always been stuck to free things, I hate subscriptions, I don't buy stuff online, I'm just not that kind of consumer. I'm impressed and happy I can get a very featured service for free with the PS3. That's all I want, I have to say it again. I just want to play online, talk to people, play some pool and bowling. I'm done. I can get it free? Damn, sign me up.

I'm just perfectly happy with buying my game, putting it in my console, and I'm done. That's all I want.

Eeeexxxactly! When I subscribe to a service that is free. I subscibe once and I never have to worry about an expiry or multiple emails reminding me of my account expiry at the end of the month and being asked for another $50 for another year.

The other factor is, when I pay for something I wanna get the most use out of it...I don't game online much but with Live I feel like I should be playing online more than I currently do, if not I feel like I'm wasting money. With PSN I don't really care. Free has it's merits!

The Dude

03-13-2007, 12:15 AM

So, you're against ads being displayed on screens in a virtual world? To be honest, I thought it was a really cool concept, and most of them will probably be gaming-related anyway.

I just feel like I am bombarded with enough ads as it is in todays world, no need to see that stuff when I want to chillout and play some videogames.

jaxmkii

03-13-2007, 12:19 AM

^ if spalding wants to put there name on a ingame soccer ball so i don't have to give sony my cash, than im all for it.

edoshin

03-13-2007, 12:24 AM

As long as the ads are unobtrusive its cool. I actually look forward to trailers at the begining of movies. The Fandango ads are really annoying tho. Now if they advertised a maxi-pad before I enter my Home, then I'd be pissed.

The Dude

03-13-2007, 12:25 AM

^ if spalding wants to put there name on a ingame soccer ball so i don't have to give sony my cash, than im all for it.

Remember when playing Fight Night, the Burger king logo on the ring floor? Or In Need for Speed Underground 2, passing by a bunch of Best Buys and a Taco Bell? How about Crazy Taxi and all KFC's you would drop the customers off at?

Those are harmless (although I find them pretty damn annoying) I just wouldn't want to walk into my friends HOME and see a pop up ad to get a free ipod, or look at their wall and see a mandatory poster for Mt Dew. :nervous:

edoshin

03-13-2007, 12:33 AM

Those are harmless (although I find them pretty damn annoying) I just wouldn't want to walk into my friends HOME and and see a pop up ad to get a free ipod, or look at their wall and see a mandatory poster for Mt Dew. :nervous:

I always have to convince my daughter that she did not win a free iPod or PS3 when she clicks on those ads on the PC.

EvilTaru

03-13-2007, 01:06 AM

In that case I'm glad I'm spending $4 a month to keep those unsightly ads away from my eyes

Agreed

Considering the fact that you pay $4/month so you can put up with aholes and burger king games I don't think you got away unscathed here, just $4/month lighter in the wallet. And no I doubt paying the xbl fee would necessarily stop MS from subjecting you to ads.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Chrome

03-13-2007, 02:12 AM

Mainstream game sites are just catering for the idiotic teenage and some 20+ who can't think for themselves.

I'm sure many people here have found atleast a few gems which game mags/sites gave a crappy review for. Sheeps would rather believe a cynical know it all, wife divorcing him/her, shitty reviewer, than trying games for themselves.

Gamespot is pure garbage, infact every one of those site's are tabloid garbage.

Home is a win regardless, some either can't see potential or want news stories and web-clicks.

stanDarsh

03-13-2007, 02:28 AM

You are the first person that I ever heard say they bought xbox for live. Things like that have to be experienced by said person for them to be sold on it. Most people definatley dont buy a perticular console for the online mode unless they've played it first. If anything Home has a better shot at selling consoles because of its potential Myspace like appeal.

I was responding to IEFP, I don't own an xbox360 nor would I buy it just for Live. I think you need to reread my post.

Smokey

03-13-2007, 02:55 AM

Live is like 4 bucks a month. I dont see why people have trouble wrapping their mind around that.

The Dude

03-13-2007, 03:05 AM

Considering the fact that you pay $4/month so you can put up with aholes and burger king games I don't think you got away unscathed here, just $4/month lighter in the wallet. And no I doubt paying the xbl fee would necessarily stop MS from subjecting you to ads.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Xbox Live doesnt have any annoying ads, with the exception of the one on the main screen but it's always about new content you can download or upcoming events on Live. In game ads are pretty much unaviodable at this point (especially with sports/EA games) I find more then $4 a month in loose change in my car/couch. For me it's worth the clean presentation and simplicity Xbox Live provides.

Keep in mind that I have not (and am pretty damn sure this goes for the rest of you) have only seen videos of HOME, I'll wait until I actually play it before damning it, or giving it priase. I'm just extreamly skeptical because nearly all free online services up to this point have been pretty sucky. My experiance, like with a car, is you get what you pay for.

curryking1

03-13-2007, 03:59 AM

Battle.net would like to give you a visit one day lol.

Just one example of one of the best gaming services for WCIII, oh my god, is that thing amazing. It's free too! Been so ever since it came out.

Seriously, matchmaking, custom game making (and actually making your own minigames and playing them with other people), leaderboards, ladders, tournies, public and private channels, friends lists, clan list, you name it. It's there. Freaking awesome stuff by Blizzard. WCIII is sooooo amazing.

Smaller scale example, but the idea is there. Sony didn't do it for Planetside and other titles though. But I'm honestly seeing the same opportunity to draw in customers by simpling opening the door for them. I think it's the best policy to make the money back with microtransactions and extra crap, just leave the door open and let people enter as they please.

GaiusBaltar

03-13-2007, 04:21 AM

+rep for this post. Their words do tend to step over each other. But like it was mentioned earlier, most people won't notice this sly flip-flopping that GS is employing right now. And they are the ones who are getting shafted by this "journalism." It's also disheartening to see how they were at first impressed with HOME, but now other members of GS are doing a complete 180 on it, saying numerous things that all contradict themselves. It's fairly despicable. The BETA needs to start soon so real people who partake in it can give a pretty unbiased, well-informed description of the service. Creating FUD where there shouldn't be any is just disgusting.

They're doing a 180 on it because the Microsoft checks arrived today. MS also have their usual online representative trolls bashing all things ps3 in the comment sections of ps3 articles too. Nice to see that xbox live money being spent to good use

Pluto

03-13-2007, 05:01 AM

They're doing a 180 on it because the Microsoft checks arrived today. MS also have their usual online representative trolls bashing all things ps3 in the comment sections of ps3 articles too. Nice to see that xbox live money being spent to good use

There's bias on all sides of the spectrum, so I think it's important to remain fair.

Gamespot is just being skeptical, which is a shared feeling among other gaming journalists. I do think it's foolish of them to expect full disclosure of something that's still being tested.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-13-2007, 06:19 AM

dnpmakkah

03-13-2007, 06:34 AM

Personally all the negative crap about the PS3 used to be very apparent to me prior to actually getting the system. But since I got the system along with Resistance and Motorstorm, I could care less what people say about it. I know I'M having fun and to me that's all that matters.

LiquidEagle

03-13-2007, 06:41 AM

i know i have said this already, but i don't think a lot of you understand xbox live to its fullest... just like i dont understand everything thats going on with PSN. its kinda useless to argue, and hard to debate how its not worth $50 a year when you dont have it. I am reading through a lot of these arguments, and to put it simple, i just dont agree with a lot of what is being said, and i dont think i am gonna try and change your opinion.... its just something you have to try yourself. This isnt the original xbox live service.... 360 live service is SO much more. Everything works wonderfully, it is hardly ever down( i dont think it has been down for over year)... and when it is down, it is usually for a good enough reason to justify it. I like to be able to instantly know when my friends are on, whether i am playing a game, browsing the market place, or watching a movie. I like having chat rooms with my friends while playing different games. I love the live arcade. I love the achievement point system. I love the market place as a whole.... I love how it is gonna be integrated into PC, zune, cell phones, etc. I could go on and on. Sure there are things you can get for the PC that do similar things, but this is all in one nice package that is very easy to use and makes games 10x more enjoyable.

I see what you mean here, and I can definitely see the appeal of such a system. Like I said in a previous post here though, a vast majority of that is available on PSN already as well. While you're listening to music, playing games, shopping the store, basically doing anything except watching a DVD movie (it logs you out during DVD playback, which I actually like because it isn't distracting), you can see when your friends log on or off. PSN also allows you to have video chat with friends (or voice chat) with a chatting option as well, and I definitely recommend looking at PSN's offering of downloadable games like flOw, Gripshift, GTHD, Blast Factor, and various other games/demos -- there's a lot there and it's content designed for PS3, rather than ports of PSP/Arcade/Cell Phone/etc. games which makes up the majority of XBL offerings. The thing is that Sony's is free, and MS's is not -- it makes paying money for it seem more ridiculous (for lack of a better word) when it's not only been free in the PC realm for any feature you please through a variety of programs, but now the competition is doing it free in their own arena. Enter HOME, which introduces a trophy room and all sorts of rewards achievements doesn't offer, and social networking/user-created content galore, and XBL really has nothing on the free PSN (except in-game messaging, which everybody's pulling for). So with all that in mind, I hope you can see why many of us would get upset when people dismiss all those extras and still talk as if Sony's got to play catch-up. Or Sony brings user-created content, something XBL is lacking in (and probably won't have a whole lot of, given their control over XBL -- it's the reason THUG was online for PS2 and not Xbox), and people immediately assume it be all boobies and stupid gifs. I've heard tons of horror stories from people who play on XBL (I'm not trying to say something about XBL's audience here or the 360, I'm just stating what I've heard from numerous different people and my own experience playing on XBL) and get trash talked by kids of all ages and annoyed to all hell, yet when Sony announces the next level of social interaction on consoles, they get the burden of negativity and fears of immature players and misuse of services. It's like Sony just announced a major step forward for online gaming and consoles, and these guys at Gamespot said, "Well, Playstation players can't handle it anyways, so it isn't worth anybody's time." That kind of attitude is incredibly bothersome and disrespectful to Sony's hard work over the course of 2+ years, don't ya think?

Sorry, I probably should have put a paragraph break in there but I don't care to go back through it to put it in :laugh:

Khaos

03-13-2007, 07:13 AM

I find it hard to believe that people who spent $600 are worried about $4 a month for a great online service.

Anyway, yes, HOME looks great and the GameSpot (oops hehe) article was absurd. But with Sony's track record, I need to wait to see if it's everything they claim it is.

But while watching the video of its demonstration, one thing I kept thinking was how much easier it would be if you could use a Wii Remote to move furniture, type on the virtual keyboard, choose menu items, just about everything.. It's kind of like telling someone to browse around the web using only their keyboard, no mouse.

Also, this virtual world is not new. In fact it bears a striking resemblance to Second Life. I wouldn't be surprised if Linden helped develop it, because there are so many similarities.

frosty

03-13-2007, 07:15 AM

^Save for the fact that PS3 supports both bluetooth keyboards and mice, and the analog stick isn't too bad a mouse either.

LiquidEagle

03-13-2007, 07:19 AM

I find it hard to believe that people who spent $600 are worried about $4 a month for a great online service.

Part of that $600 is not investing additional money yearly for what's in the package. We're getting it for free :)

Anyway, yes, HOME looks great and the GameSpot (fixed it, :laugh:) article was absurd. But with Sony's track record, I need to wait to see if it's everything they claim it is.

But while watching the video of its demonstration, one thing I kept thinking was how much easier it would be if you could use a Wii Remote to move furniture, type on the virtual keyboard, choose menu items, just about everything.. It's kind of like telling someone to browse around the web using only their keyboard, no mouse.

Did you see the part where he uses a bluetooth headset to talk or quick-keyed emotes? He also used a USB/bluetooth keyboard, or the trailer did. I also think control style for this thing is irrelevant -- the controller will be just fine, like it always has.

Also, this virtual world is not new. In fact it bears a striking resemblance to Second Life. I wouldn't be surprised if Linden helped develop it, because there are so many similarities.

Harrison said it's not some completely new idea, but it is new for the console realm and Second Life has been observed as one of the main inspirations. Sony will describe it as being more akin to Youtube or something though where user-created content (not sure what kind of a role it plays in Second Life) drives things the most.

Rip3001

03-13-2007, 07:38 AM

Microsoft tested the waters by seeing if consumers would pay for services that came free on a PC...they did...but it's not like consumers had a say or anything...and it's just $4.17 a month...$50 a year...or $250 for five years...not much you can do about it though.

The problem is, many people still think HOME is the PS3's version of 360's Slide Panel...IT'S NOT! That falls to the Cross Media Bar - XMB (Which is the PS3 main menu system) which is being tweaked to be usable within games (this has been shown many times by the sly Phil Harrison.)

Currently, you have a Friends list in your XMB. It shows who's online, who has sent you messages while you were offline, and what game they're playing. If you're in a game and a friend pops online, or sends you a message, a system notice windows appears in the upper right in smooth grey palette that so-and-so has come online or so-and-so has sent a message with the subject line of said message. Currently one must hold the PS Button for a few seconds and select Quit Game to go back to the PS3 Main Menu XMB to respond to messages or look at a friend's profile.

In an upcoming firmware update, the XMB will be accessable from within games with a simple press of the PS Button and allow users to do all the Friends functions they could normally only access from the main menu and then some.

HOME however...is a WHOLE nother story. :closed:

Jay Gee

03-13-2007, 07:55 AM

I'm sorry, but is this "track record" of Sony's the one where they released a metric fuckton of great games over the lifespan of two excellent consoles, or is it the recent faux pas that was the PS3 launch? I'm confused here and am looking for clarification.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-13-2007, 08:27 AM

IEatFriedPikmin

03-13-2007, 08:32 AM

uh oh, i forgot to put on my flame suit. :(

Smokey

03-13-2007, 09:56 AM

do you have to use HOME if you dont want too?

GTShotoKen

03-13-2007, 11:19 AM

do you have to use HOME if you dont want too?

If you watch the Phil Harrison interviews, he says that Home won't replace the xmb and normal online game functions, but will be an alternative hub for meeting people and the sharing of content.

It's a great way to communicate and coordinate with a large number of friends without having the need to load up a videogame to do so.

Home will be a fantastic place for PSInext members to meet up, chat, and coordinate clan events.

Smokey

03-13-2007, 11:36 AM

thanks Gaming Guru

03-13-2007, 02:10 PM

no you don't have to use home at all. you don't even have to download the thing. that is the beauty of it; it isn't an idea shoved down your throat. if you want it, it is completely free and you can mess with it to your heart's content. if not, pretend it is not there and ignore it completely.

you can't go wrong with that.

Garfunkel

03-13-2007, 02:35 PM

yep, it's called "choice" ;)

F089/H

03-13-2007, 03:49 PM

In that case I'm glad I'm spending $4 a month to keep those unsightly ads away from my eyes

Agreed

huh that would explain why you haven't been on in 18 days.:chinese2:

Everyday I see more and more people doing the same thing..Just shutting up and playing the games.:smile:

frosty

03-13-2007, 08:39 PM

I love how people are whining about home's ad system, when you don't have to walk up to the TV displaying the ad, nor do you have to hear it (proximity based sound).

curryking1

03-13-2007, 08:42 PM

he isnt talking about that. Typically sony will do what they can to predict outcome results early on, and sometimes its not as great as they expressed it to be....

examples being announcement of PS2 and PS3(i think)... the system specs were degraded from what they originally claimed. Or doctored images, not showing real time footage, etc.

Yes, I know M$ does this too. A lot of businesses do it. Nintendo is probably the most careful about it out of the 3... they are so quiet about everything.

IEFP, you make good points with how functional Live is. I am aware of how integrated and easy it is to use like some of us other guys here.

I'm also aware, you're right 4 bucks is really, really little for a service as good as Live is. It's a great feature and the reasons are clear and easy to understand why people have no problem dropping only a little change on it for such extended use.

I really recommend watching the Home GDC presentation and the gametrailers interviews part I and II with Phil Harrison, and maybe more stuff if you want. These would get you on the same page in terms of information about what we now know about Home.

So that's my recommendation, it's always best to have all the info as you can and then pass any judgment based on the available information.

One bit of information that is probably of most importance is that Home does not replace XMB, it is more of an extension, and that the aim is to have XMB and Home both work in tandem, and yet at the same time have the XMB be almost fully functional on it's own in terms of getting games up and running online.

After you watch the Home GDC presentation, I think we'll be on the same page that XBL and PSN both have their plans cut out for them, and both have their strengths, and both are actually quite viable platforms. XBL is established, PSN has some good intentions, it could flunk, it could do well, we'll see. Any difference in opinion beyond these ideas as to which is better or which is more effective will be up in the air though, but at least it'd be easier on the both of us because we'd be seeing at least the base reasoning behind everyone's thoughts that have been posted til this point.

P.S.

There's no need for a flamesuit. I'll make it a personal objective of mine to make sure that if you want to express some knowledgable opinion on the subject that you will be able to. Watch the GDC presentation and whatnot or read about it to see what's up, and you'll probably see some of us think one way, some think the other, some think another, and you can also share a similarly knowledgable opinion, whatever it may be.

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I think I've mentioned this in a couple of my past posts in other threads.. but... here goes. Formal Operational Thinking and Post Formal Operation Thinking are key. This is a message to everyone on the board. Always reason to the best of your own judgment based on all the information you can gather yourself, but also acknowledge the reasoning behind judgments made by others especially when they've made equal effort in gathering the same information to come up with their own judgment.

I ain't letting this forum turn into a cesspool of uneducated, unknowledgable, non-reason-based-and-slandering garbage. No one will tell anyone else what they think is wrong, provided both those people themselves make an effort to gather the information on the subject and formulate their own opinion, without hearing it from me ;)

Point is to acknowledge all the information, understand all that information, make your own opinion, and THE MAIN THING, understand the basis of other people's opinions if they've made equal effort to make their own. If there's one thing I hate, making an opinion before an effort is made to look into the subject (not directed @ you IEFP, I'm sure the people, and one person in particular, who are guilty of this know who this is directed at, the ones who make predispositions (one bad thing) and at the same time don't acknowledge anyone else's opinion (double whammy).).

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@frosty - I love that feature. The advertising is just in the background. Exactly like a mall, I love it. Unobtrusive to the max! lol.

Khaos

03-14-2007, 04:45 AM

Zer0-Sum

03-14-2007, 05:06 AM

They say that now but in time 50 bucks says they are on it. Other wise who cares? I certainly don't.

Jay Gee

03-14-2007, 05:15 AM

I love how people are whining about home's ad system, when you don't have to walk up to the TV displaying the ad, nor do you have to hear it (proximity based sound).
Sony's giving them a choice, and also trying to appease them in the virtual they'd like to inhabit. It's just too much graciousness from Sony for them to absorb. The only way to react is misguided trepidation.

frosty

03-14-2007, 11:23 AM

Don't get me wrong, I have my issues with home, which I talk about in this week's podcast, but I also have high hopes.

Applefiend

03-14-2007, 12:14 PM

I think I only dislike adverts if they're about stuff I couldn't care less about.

So you know, as long as it's all for Playstation 3 games and junk food I'm good. :)

And as far as the entity from Redmond keeping your 360 free of ads, Microsoft own one of the biggest companies for product placement in games, what's worse, adverts in your chat room or adverts in your games?