View Full Version : 600,000 PS3's SOLD IN EUROPE
Loudninja
03-27-2007, 11:09 PM
The PlayStation 3 console has broken UK sales records with more than 165,000 machines sold in the first two days of release, say analysts Chart Track.
More than a million consoles were shipped across Europe on launch day last week with 600,000 sold.
Sony is hoping to retake its title as the console market leader, as Microsoft and Nintendo head the next-gen race.
Meanwhile, games firm Namco Bandai has said it is to use the PS3's Cell chip in arcade machines.
Microsoft sold 71,000 Xbox 360 consoles during its UK launch weekend, while Nintendo sold 105,000 Wii machines.
But both companies offered limited stock to retailers, which led to shortages.
Ray Maguire, managing director of Sony Computer Entertainment UK said the figures were a vote of confidence in the machine.
"Having broken the record for launch sales, we are now replenishing retail stock across the country," he said,
The first arcade title to use the PS3 microprocessor will be fighting game Tekken 6, Namco said.
While PlayStation technology has been used in arcade machines in the past it is believed to be the first time that the Cell will be used for games not running on Sony's console.
Namco Bandai has sold its PlayStation 2 arcade technology to other firms, but it is still undecided about whether to sell its PS3 Cell-based technology, a spokeswoman for the firm said.
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=65567
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cliffbo
03-28-2007, 12:36 AM
58 viewed no-one commented!!!!!
600,000 PS3s sold... yes that's 600,000 Blu-ray players sold too, yes thats 600,000 potential RFOM and Motorstorm owners, yes thats 600,000 more people downloading games, yes thats 600,000 more voices spreading the gospel, yes this is hyperbole ;)
Segitz
03-28-2007, 12:51 AM
I never said the opposite.
I guess this number will only get bigger by the end of next week (salaries, tax refunds...) and maybe new good games and movies!
False_Messiah
03-28-2007, 12:51 AM
Good for Sony, for gamers who want videogames with a larger life span, and for the industry.
shame on the "journalists" fanboys. The last few days proves how biased they can be.
LaLiLuLeLo
03-28-2007, 12:53 AM
All I have to say is OHHH NIGGA IN YO' FACE NIGGA IN YO' FACE!!!
Diresu
03-28-2007, 12:54 AM
^They do what gets them hits I suppose. Even if it means being journalistic garbage.
cliffbo
03-28-2007, 12:55 AM
I never said the opposite.
I guess this number will only get bigger by the end of next week (salaries, tax refunds...) and maybe new good games and movies!
LOL... who was you answering there are there some posts missing?
GTAce
03-28-2007, 12:56 AM
Ive postet it in the Insomniac thread but think it fits here perfect so i repost it here:
the PS3 launch was good here, my dad was in the loacal Saturn on friday to surprise me with the PS3 and he means as he made a call to ask how many PS3's they got, the guy on the phone says they have 15 PS3's in stock and it wouldnt run so good as they expected but where my dad bought it there where only 5 PS3's left and that was just 30 minutes later.^^
Danji
03-28-2007, 12:57 AM
OHHH NIGGA IN YO' FACE NIGGA IN YO' FACE!!!
Quoted because I can't say that. :XD:
The sales are looking really good for them though. Much better than it did in the U.S.
Jay Gee
03-28-2007, 01:16 AM
All I have to say is OHHH NIGGA IN YO' FACE NIGGA IN YO' FACE!!!
Whooped yo' monkey ass in some Street Hoops!! Seriously, this is great news. You know what's really scary? Imagine what would've happened if the Worldwide launch had gone through the way Sony had originally planned, only at during this time frame. With LBP, Home, Sigma news and the like all happening in this year, the sales would've been just SICK.
Loudninja
03-28-2007, 03:29 AM
bump
Nameless
03-28-2007, 04:18 AM
Good news for Sony it will be interesting to see how this info can recieve the anti Sony spin treatment...
Diresu
03-28-2007, 04:19 AM
Good news for Sony it will be interesting to see how this info can recieve the anti Sony spin treatment...
Oh thats easy. It didn't sell out.
Whatever pushed Blu-Ray into the main stream is OK by me.
Pluto
03-28-2007, 04:24 AM
" Six-hundred thousand in Europe? That's the only place it'll sell anything! "
- Anti-Sony Response # 1221288712899128291818192
Sony's cleaning up in Europe. Just for the sake of wondering, I wonder if they would've sold more consoles had there not been a delay..
Or if it was the build-up to the release that caused so much sales?
..Who knows.
curryking1
03-28-2007, 04:25 AM
I.. I.... I already posted this! :( :( :(
Lol! :D
I think it's great news. I think by the end of say, maybe give it 2 weeks, at least 800k or 900k will be sold. I wouldn't doubt a large cooloff for a bit, the 600k picked up so far were probably mostly preorders.
It's quite a solid launch, especially considering the Wii sold like 100k in it's first weekend. Relatively, it's quite impressive indeed. Of course, that's only a 1 dimensional analysis, but impressive nonetheless.
And frick... If Sony is not abusively advertising BluRay right now I am going to be pissed!!! Daniel Craig and the words BluRay better be on every freaking telly and street corner right now!!!
Pluto
03-28-2007, 04:27 AM
Yeah, but Loudninja's cooler. Sorry, Curry. :(
Where'd you post it at? I don't see it in the PS3 section..
curryking1
03-28-2007, 04:29 AM
Yeah, but Loudninja's cooler. Sorry, Curry. :(
Where'd you post it at? I don't see it in the PS3 section..
:O
Hurting!!!!
Lol j/k, I don't care that much, I just like to make a fuss lol! I posted it in some existing thread in the PS3 forum, I don't even remember which one lol.
Pluto
03-28-2007, 04:31 AM
Selling half over half a million consoles DOES deserve it's own thread..
Don't you have more sense then that?! That's it..I'm negative repping you.
curryking1
03-28-2007, 04:35 AM
=-o
:-(
Viper
03-28-2007, 05:08 AM
Congrats Sony. It's amazing how many can sell at a launch when we actually see enough stock to meet initial demand.
Keep in mind we can't realistically compare any previous launch to it because this is the first and only time any company has shipped so damn many consoles. It will stand out as a launch in a league of its own.
curryking1
03-28-2007, 05:09 AM
Definitely man, it's an impressive feat on two ends, even if it's difficult to compare with the different scenario. Great job on Sony's part.
cpiasminc
03-28-2007, 05:11 AM
They really timed this out well. A decent-sized volume launch right off the heels of a good GDC showing with people saying "Sony has finally shown up for the party" and Home and LittleBigPlanet are fresh in people's minds. Really made people want it.
LiquidEagle
03-28-2007, 12:35 PM
Is it just me or is that news article in the original post trying to get two completely different news items across in one, oddly-mixed article?
jaxmkii
03-28-2007, 05:52 PM
Congrats Sony. It's amazing how many can sell at a launch when we actually see enough stock to meet initial demand.
Keep in mind we can't realistically compare any previous launch to it because this is the first and only time any company has shipped so damn many consoles. It will stand out as a launch in a league of its own.
http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/04/starworlds/jump.jpg
Smokey
03-28-2007, 06:24 PM
All I have to say is OHHH NIGGA IN YO' FACE NIGGA IN YO' FACE!!!
lol
IEatFriedPikmin
03-28-2007, 06:27 PM
great job. lets see if sony can keep it up for the rest of this gen.
And no, that is not 600,000 blu ray players. its 600,000 PS3s/video game consoles.
The Rabbit
03-28-2007, 06:34 PM
Congrats to Sony for making it happen in Europe. I can see more and more people start gettiing into the PS3 and it will be like old times....except the sony haters will rage the fire higher and I'll light my joint in the blaze.
Bless
Viper
03-28-2007, 06:35 PM
Jax, sorry buddy, but I don't understand the pic. Elaborate?
LaLiLuLeLo
03-28-2007, 06:37 PM
Keep in mind we can't realistically compare any previous launch to it because this is the first and only time any company has shipped so damn many consoles.
http://www.cameraontheroad.com/photos/mobile/mardigras2006/floralparade/floralfloatrain.jpg
Viper
03-28-2007, 06:41 PM
How exactly am I raining on anyone's parade?
Did I not say it was amazing sales and will stand out as a launch in a league of its own?
cliffbo
03-28-2007, 06:45 PM
great job. lets see if sony can keep it up for the rest of this gen.
And no, that is not 600,000 blu ray players. its 600,000 PS3s/video game consoles.
it is 600,000 Blu-ray players. the PS3 is not a games machine. how many more times does Sony have to say this before people understand that. its also 600,000 top of the range CD players
Christ Pikmin, you're really bitter about this whole Blu-Ray thing aren't you?
The PS3 is capable of playing Blu-Ray movies, it does so very well from what I've heard. Therefore, IT'S A BLU-RAY PLAYER AND WILL ONLY HELP IN THE NEXT-GEN MEDIA BATTLE AND INCREASE THE OVERALL SALES OF BLU-RAY MOVIES.
Christ. The words "Broken" and "record" spring to mind.
cliffbo
03-28-2007, 06:56 PM
Christ Pikmin, you're really bitter about this whole Blu-Ray thing aren't you?
The PS3 is capable of playing Blu-Ray movies, it does so very well from what I've heard. Therefore, IT'S A BLU-RAY PLAYER AND WILL ONLY HELP IN THE NEXT-GEN MEDIA BATTLE AND INCREASE THE OVERALL SALES OF BLU-RAY MOVIES.
Christ. The words "Broken" and "record" spring to mind.
:clap:
great job. lets see if sony can keep it up for the rest of this gen.
And no, that is not 600,000 blu ray players. its 600,000 PS3s/video game consoles.
I would say PS3/blu-ray player/entertainment center.
you do realize that some only got it to be a BD player and they may possibly not play much games if any at all.
heck, I just sent someone YDL and he only bought PS3 for typing and surfing the net. he didn't buy a single game or movie for it.
PS3 is an 'computer entertainment system'. different people buy it for different reasons.
cliffbo
03-28-2007, 07:02 PM
I would say PS3/blu-ray player/entertainment center.
you do realize that some only got it to be a BD player and they may possibly not play much games if any at all.
heck, I just sent someone YDL and he only bought PS3 for typing and surfing the net. he didn't buy a single game or movie for it.
PS3 is an 'computer entertainment system'. different people buy it for different reasons.
that's right and i nearly posted an article the other day that was talking about the PS3 and only mentioned at the end that it 'also played games' i think it will be sold in different shops for different reasons. Aria for instance are promoting the PS3 and that's the first time they have done that.... Why? they are primarily a PC component company. it doesn't take a genius to see how the PS3 is beginning to show its diversity
Christ Pikmin, you're really bitter about this whole Blu-Ray thing aren't you?
The PS3 is capable of playing Blu-Ray movies, it does so very well from what I've heard. Therefore, IT'S A BLU-RAY PLAYER AND WILL ONLY HELP IN THE NEXT-GEN MEDIA BATTLE AND INCREASE THE OVERALL SALES OF BLU-RAY MOVIES.
Christ. The words "Broken" and "record" spring to mind.
not only that, PS3 is "the best BD player available" in terms of quality of playback and features. being the cheapest BD player out there by a big margin is just frosting on the HD cake.
LaLiLuLeLo
03-28-2007, 07:06 PM
How exactly am I raining on anyone's parade?
Did I not say it was amazing sales and will stand out as a launch in a league of its own?
I'm teasing!
@cliffbo, Z, Fats...
And um...maybe I read it wrong, but you guys all totally missed what IEFPikmin was saying. Or how he was saying it. I think he was actually being positive about the PS3, and that it is a game console that plays blu-ray movies. It is not a blu-ray player first. It is a playstation. Maybe I read him wrong, but I think you guys are shooting from the hip just because it's something he said.
jaxmkii
03-28-2007, 07:08 PM
Jax, sorry buddy, but I don't understand the pic. Elaborate?
taking the wind out of the sails. LOL luli got it! lol
How exactly am I raining on anyone's parade?
Did I not say it was amazing sales and will stand out as a launch in a league of its own?
maybe it was because you said: "Keep in mind we can't realistically compare any previous launch"
it seems that it isn't quite fair to lure them out just because they out produce every one else. some may say 'others wouldn't sold more if they had made more units available'. well, they didn't or couldn't. their loss.
jaxmkii
03-28-2007, 07:16 PM
viper you kind of implied that Wii and 360 might of done as well if they had the stock ps3 had.
its ok i expected it eventualy
cliffbo
03-28-2007, 07:20 PM
I'm teasing!
@cliffbo, Z, Fats...
And um...maybe I read it wrong, but you guys all totally missed what IEFPikmin was saying. Or how he was saying it. I think he was actually being positive about the PS3, and that it is a game console that plays blu-ray movies. It is not a blu-ray player first. It is a playstation. Maybe I read him wrong, but I think you guys are shooting from the hip just because it's something he said.
LOL... i wasn't 'shooting' from the hip... we really do need to stop thinking about the PS3 as a games machine. that is just one aspect of it. Singstar will be another application that will demonstrate its ability as a music centre too. i suppose its difficult though to make a distinction, even i sometimes forget its not a games machine foremost at times. its everything i'll ever need in one box, but unlike the PS2 which tried to diverse but did everything in an half-hearted way, the PS3 actually does everything at the highest quality.
VonGak
03-28-2007, 07:26 PM
I personally agree with Viper.
After all PS3 wasn't released at the biggest holliday of them all, it does cost 100-200 USD more than the 360, it costs ~twice the price of a Wii, the two competing consoles were already released and the PS3 has had a lot of undeserved bad press.
Viper couldn't be more right.
Viper
03-28-2007, 07:27 PM
I'm not suggesting anything.
I'm pointing out the inherent incompatibility of comparisons between an object sold out and object that met full demand. In a vacuum, sure you can compare but their circumstances prevent them from having the same context.
My point doesn't take any wind from sails or rain on parade as they did in fact outsell the others. The context and circumstances do not change that fact. It merely presents a situation whereby their context differs to a degree that the circumstances dictate a separation of sales comparisons.
Smokey
03-28-2007, 07:30 PM
my mate got it specifically FOR Blu-ray playback hes not a gamer
Viper
03-28-2007, 07:38 PM
my mate got it specifically FOR Blu-ray playback hes not a gamer
OUCH, how much are stand alone BRD players going for over there?
Smokey
03-28-2007, 07:41 PM
1000+ he thought he might aswell get something that could do more than a stand alone BD player
LaLiLuLeLo
03-28-2007, 09:21 PM
LOL... i wasn't 'shooting' from the hip... we really do need to stop thinking about the PS3 as a games machine. that is just one aspect of it. Singstar will be another application that will demonstrate its ability as a music centre too. i suppose its difficult though to make a distinction, even i sometimes forget its not a games machine foremost at times. its everything i'll ever need in one box, but unlike the PS2 which tried to diverse but did everything in an half-hearted way, the PS3 actually does everything at the highest quality.
I got a Ps3 for the games coming out. The rest of its features are byproducts of the powerful technology behind it.
personally, when I look at such things as system launches, I look at retail sale figures. I don't care if a product 'sells out' or has x10 folds in stock. you could launch with five units and 'sell out' or you could do as what Sony did and make literally a million units available overall.
selling over half a million in mere 48 hours is exponential. In fact, I don't know what is more amazing; selling that much, or being able to make that much. PS3 isn't your average CE. it is probably the most sophisticated single CE product ever made at this point. to top it all off, it is of extremely high quality. I know of not one single technical fault with the product.
I got a Ps3 for the games coming out. The rest of its features are byproducts of the powerful technology behind it.
and I am sure that is why a lot of people got it as well. but being the best and cheapest BD player out there is also a very key point. not many will get a PS3 for the other features, but gaming and BD playback are the most prominent.
VonGak
03-28-2007, 11:58 PM
In Denmark PS3 sold ~6000 out of ~8000 units and in all of Scandinavia there was ~45.000 units put up for sale where as ~30.000 were pre-ordered.
The PS3 is expected to be completely sold out within a week.
EDIT - the numbers are from the launch day.
Apparently Sweden had more pre-orders (~17.000) than units destributed (~14.000).
masonite
03-29-2007, 12:06 AM
I'm not suggesting anything.
I'm pointing out the inherent incompatibility of comparisons between an object sold out and object that met full demand. In a vacuum, sure you can compare but their circumstances prevent them from having the same context.
My point doesn't take any wind from sails or rain on parade as they did in fact outsell the others. The context and circumstances do not change that fact. It merely presents a situation whereby their context differs to a degree that the circumstances dictate a separation of sales comparisons.
So, using that logic, Wii sales in Japan and NA can't be compared to PS3 sales due to the stock of PS3's selling out in both regions before they attained the sales figures of the Wii.
Viper
03-29-2007, 06:54 AM
So, using that logic, Wii sales in Japan and NA can't be compared to PS3 sales due to the stock of PS3's selling out in both regions before they attained the sales figures of the Wii.
How do you figure that? Isn't it the Wii that is still sold out and the PS3 that's not? To answer the question regardless of which console resides in which category, the same applies. In a vacuum, the numbers can be compared but they are without context and devoid of meaning. Taken into context and the circumstances again do not allow for a compatible comparison.
jaxmkii
03-29-2007, 08:23 AM
geezes guys give viper a break...
In a vacuum, the numbers can be compared but they are without context and devoid of meaning. Taken into context and the circumstances again do not allow for a compatible comparison.
not arguing at all, just trying to understand the logic here:
why is that if from a consumer point of view we would look at pure sales? price, distribution, marketing, features, support, services, manufactoring capacities, press comments, competition performance, past efforts and word of mouth will all have their effect on end user sales.
in the end, that is what we want to know; how many one sold at a given period- for any reason.
VonGak
03-29-2007, 05:29 PM
Would have been so much more legit if Viper had made the statement before it became evident that the PS3 indeed hadn't floped but actually performed better than the competition.
Did he do that?
Viper
03-29-2007, 05:34 PM
Would have been so much more legit if Viper had made the statement before it became evident that the PS3 indeed hadn't floped but actually performed better than the competition.
Did he do that?
Stated that there are incompatible sales comparisons based on context and circumstances? All the time. I also said this was a launch level in a league unto its own. Why are some you trying to make out what I'm saying as though it's something negative towards PS3 launch?
VG Aficionado
03-29-2007, 05:41 PM
In any case, it has to be the most successful 600 € consumer product launch ever.
curryking1
03-29-2007, 06:08 PM
Yes, for the love of God, who cares?
It's a tremendous feat by Sony and the PS3, that's all that matters.
In any case, it has to be the most successful 600 € consumer product launch ever.
it is the most successful CS product launch ever. they said in 48 hours, they moved 190 million dollars worth of goods (consoles, games and peripherals).
VonGak
03-29-2007, 06:19 PM
Stated that there are incompatible sales comparisons based on context and circumstances? All the time. I also said this was a launch level in a league unto its own. Why are some you trying to make out what I'm saying as though it's something negative towards PS3 launch?
Mainly because it's the exact same reasoning those who :wank:'ed to the PS3 Euro lauch FLOP pictures are now using the exact same reasoning/excuse.
This is why I said it would have been better if you had posted those thoughts earlier and avoided it sounding like some sad retaliation. :happy:
VG Aficionado
03-29-2007, 06:27 PM
What really matters is that the sales are good and that they should get better when more good games are released and price cuts happen over the next few years. Let's not judge how much a success or a flop (not the case anyway) the European launch is just yet.
VonGak
03-29-2007, 06:43 PM
What really matters is that the sales are good and that they should get better when more good games are released and price cuts happen over the next few years. Let's not judge how much a success or a flop (not the case anyway) the European launch is just yet.
Well said, after all it's not like we are being payed Roayalties for each console sold (unless I missed out on something).
Viper
03-29-2007, 06:46 PM
This is why I said it would have been better if you had posted those thoughts earlier and avoided it sounding like some sad retaliation. :happy:
I have posted those thought before. I just said that.
Z, by my calculations it was over $500 million dollars.. The 190 million figure sounds as though they may have meant pounds, not dollars.
I think that definitely qualifies as the highest revenue generated for any product launch ever.
VonGak
03-29-2007, 06:55 PM
I have posted those thought before. I just said that.
I know and only wanted to explain why the defensive reaction; after all, you did ask.
It's not like you just poped by this board with a mint account and made the statement nor do you have a history of trolling on these boards. :)
Viper
03-29-2007, 06:59 PM
Thank you.
Now let's get back to the numbers. Sony's fiscal year ends in 2 days. In two more weeks, they'll announce their financial reports and that will have a full breakdown of all shipments made in the first week of launch.
Well said, after all it's not like we are being payed Roayalties for each console sold (unless I missed out on something).
you mean you didn't sing the contract?
Z, by my calculations it was over $500 million dollars.. The 190 million figure sounds as though they may have meant pounds, not dollars.
I think that definitely qualifies as the highest revenue generated for any product launch ever.
sorry for the mix up. that 190 million is for Britian only. and I don't remember if that was in dollars or pounds. I have a terrible memory. it was mentioned by Harrison himslef in the latest ex-Next-Gen podcast now called Game Theory.
I know and only wanted to explain why the defensive reaction; after all, you did ask.
It's not like you just poped by this board with a mint account and made the statement nor do you have a history of trolling on these boards. :)
he isn't? I thought his name was black because he was black-listed. that explains why he has a high post count.
okay, go ahead; shoot me. I know you want to.
cliffbo
03-29-2007, 08:43 PM
PS3 sold more consoles in Europe EVER! there are now more than 600,000 PS3 in Europeans hands
that's all we need to know.
Sony know how to make consoles
Viper
03-30-2007, 04:33 PM
This is the Wii total across Europe for the month of December. PS3 looks to smash the opening month record too.
The Wii launched in Europe on December 8 and became the fastest-selling home console ever during its opening weekend. More than 700,000 units were purchased by European consumers, leading to empty shelves across the continent.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=22233
VG Aficionado
03-30-2007, 04:48 PM
I just read that PS3 has sold around 100K out of 110K available units in Spain this week. I don't know how accurate that is or whether it's shipped/sold to retailers / sold to customers, but the sales surely are looking good nonetheless.
I also read that 360 has sold 120K units in Spain since 2005. I don't know whether it's true or not, but I have to say they are interesting figures and that Sony Spain claimed that they'd sell more PS3s than Microsoft sold 360s here to date in the first month. Arrogance or confidence?
Viper
03-30-2007, 04:50 PM
Spain last gen was one of the most totally dominated by Sony regions I've heard of. Sony has their own stores there, as I'm sure you're aware of, and they push the PS brand so much more than the others can with it. To be honest, I'd be shocked it they didn't sell out completely.
VonGak
03-30-2007, 05:36 PM
This is the Wii total across Europe for the month of December. PS3 looks to smash the opening month record too.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=22233
Hah, so much for me being a Nostradamus :(
Anyway, I do not expect it to do better than WII for obvious reasons like season and price point.
Viper
03-30-2007, 06:50 PM
VonGak, there are two ways to look at it right now. One of which could still keep you in clairvoyant standings.
1. Many gamers knew that supply was going to be plentiful making launch weekend demand minimal which will ensure solid sales through the next 3 weeks (to give a same time frame comparison as the Wii...3 weeks). Having great supply means less immediate rush and with 600,000 sold with less than usual frantic launch demand, it could mean another 600,000 before the end of April.
2. The price limits the demand to the hardcore and with the lack of an actual sellout, demand for them has already been met meaning demand across the next 3 weeks will be close to flat.
The real truth is probably a mix of both. I doubt another 600,000 would be sold that fast nor do I think demand is so minimal now that less than 100,000 will sell. I'm guessing 300k-400k which would eat up the initial launch allocation of 1 million. 1 million in 1 month pretty damn good if you ask me.
jaxmkii
03-30-2007, 08:26 PM
cool so we could get numbers from sony tomorow?
Viper
03-30-2007, 09:01 PM
Not likely. If they did, it would only be assumptions. Sony and Nintendo both end their fiscal year on March 31st. The reports are then tabulated, written and submitted usually in about 2-3 weeks.
Smokey
03-30-2007, 10:07 PM
what are your predictions viper?
Viper
03-30-2007, 10:26 PM
I made it a few posts up. I'd guess 900k-1 million in the first 4 weeks of release.
Smokey
03-30-2007, 10:27 PM
lol sorry i look again :)
aye post 73
OmniCloud
03-30-2007, 11:19 PM
Spain last gen was one of the most totally dominated by Sony regions I've heard of. Sony has their own stores there, as I'm sure you're aware of, and they push the PS brand so much more than the others can with it. To be honest, I'd be shocked it they didn't sell out completely.I did not know it was that serious Viper. Tks for that info, just proves that variety is one of the most important factors in establishing a software lineup. Something MS is very slow in realizing, lack of next-gen disc-drive, HDD not standard, fee for online, less powerful CPU, blah blah blah. MS's biggest weakness, is it's constant pouring of western style games into the market.
Smokey
03-30-2007, 11:22 PM
MS's biggest weakness, is it's constant pouring of western (aka american) style games into the market.
too true the world is bigger than U.S
Segitz
03-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Jup, and many of those blockbuster games got/get banned in Germany (namely Gears of War and Dead Rising).
If this trend continues for MS in Germany, they have no chance against Sonys lineup here, as Buzz, Singstar and Eyetoy cater for a much bigger audience than Viva Pinata, as the big games, which cater the hardcore audience don't get released here (get banned, or even both in the two gamees above).
woundingchaney
03-30-2007, 11:52 PM
Really!!
That is honestly the first I have heard of this Seg. is there anything particular in which German rating system disallows?? Will this affect other titles in the future such as Lair, GTA, Sil. Hill etc.
Very interesting.
frosty
03-30-2007, 11:54 PM
I imagine it only has to do with titles the feature excessive shooting violence. Lair is more in line with fantasy violence, I don't see it being banned. GTA is a definite ban though.
woundingchaney
03-30-2007, 11:57 PM
I was wondering if it was in regards to "realistic" violence or more grotesque violence as DR wouldnt represent "realistic".
Is this somewhat common across Europe (or even into the middle east)??
cliffbo
03-31-2007, 12:00 AM
I was wondering if it was in regards to "realistic" violence or more grotesque violence as DR wouldnt represent "realistic".
Is this somewhat common across Europe (or even into the middle east)??
ye, i reckon your right here wounding. Lair is a fantasy based game were as GTA is a real world game. what interests me more though, is the fact that the PS brand is successful over there. going by their own criteria, i would have expected the Wii to have sold out there
Smokey
03-31-2007, 12:01 AM
depends on what you mean Europe U.K AU NZ etc all are different
woundingchaney
03-31-2007, 12:03 AM
depends on what you mean Europe U.K AU NZ etc all are different
Well yes, it was more of a generalized statement. I meant other countries in the Eur. continent and surrounding areas that have similar restrictions as Germany.
Sorry for being vague :)
Smokey
03-31-2007, 12:08 AM
your right mate i could never why we (AU) get called EURO anyway lol only in console sales & launches
venomv
03-31-2007, 12:18 AM
I was wondering if it was in regards to "realistic" violence or more grotesque violence as DR wouldnt represent "realistic".
Dead Rising isn't "realistic" but it is a lot closer then a game such as L.A.I.R. (someone mentioned it above, so I am again), and most action games won't reach the death count in Dead Rising, lol.
I'm completely against governments banning certain games, but I could defently see some complaints with Dead Rising, even though personally I have no problem with it.
The blood and cussing was way to over-the-top for me in GeoW, though so if they are gonna ban anything, I would put that at the top of the list (as current gen games go anyway).
cliffbo
03-31-2007, 12:45 AM
Dead Rising isn't "realistic" but it is a lot closer then a game such as L.A.I.R. (someone mentioned it above, so I am again), and most action games won't reach the death count in Dead Rising, lol.
I'm completely against governments banning certain games, but I could defently see some complaints with Dead Rising, even though personally I have no problem with it.
The blood and cussing was way to over-the-top for me in GeoW, though so if they are gonna ban anything, I would put that at the top of the list (as current gen games go anyway).
agreed, sigh... why do some people think that swearing in a game makes it more adult?
Diresu
03-31-2007, 12:48 AM
agreed, sigh... why do some people think that swearing in a game makes it more adult?
I don't mind swearing but I do mind when its so excessive that it serves no point whats-so-ever. Kinda like in SA
frosty
03-31-2007, 12:50 AM
The swearing in SA fit the mood of the characters it was portraying, so I didn't mind it. It's when it sounds forced that it gets annoying.
Diresu
03-31-2007, 12:54 AM
The swearing in SA fit the mood of the characters it was portraying, so I didn't mind it. It's when it sounds forced that it gets annoying.
Well its not him that I had a problem with swearing. Its more when you are randomly walking around and its just from all directions....
cliffbo
03-31-2007, 12:59 AM
The swearing in SA fit the mood of the characters it was portraying, so I didn't mind it. It's when it sounds forced that it gets annoying.
agreed... you can colour a character without having to say the F word every sentence
cliffbo
03-31-2007, 01:03 AM
Sega benefits from PS3 launch
Added on 30/03/2007.
The recent launch of the PlayStation 3 in the UK has delivered good news to Sega; it's managed to gain a 13 per cent share for the PS3s software market since the launch, with three out of the 5 titles heading to the top 10 in the charts.
Alan Pritchard, Managing Director of Sega UK, said, “We are very pleased to have achieved the status of the number one third party publisher at the launch of the PS3, Sega has continued to increase its market share considerably over the last 18 months, and this is indicative of the investment that the company continues to put toward next generation development. We look forward to further success on PS3 in 2007, with Sega Rally, The Club and The Golden Compass also due for release later this year.”
i hope this becomes a trend for third party devs, then we may see increased efforts all round
VonGak
03-31-2007, 01:08 AM
I was wondering if it was in regards to "realistic" violence or more grotesque violence as DR wouldnt represent "realistic".
Is this somewhat common across Europe (or even into the middle east)??
I think it's about harming other human beings.
Carmageddon was allowed in Germany after the humans had been replaced by robots with green blood.
LiquidEagle
03-31-2007, 01:18 AM
Which is weird because when I was visiting my friend in Germany, he had the European version of Resident Evil on his PC and it was more gnarly than the American version... at least in the cinematics.
MGS is allowed in Germany though, I'm assuming, otherwise we wouldn't have so many German MGS fans or its showings in Leipzig.
Applefiend
03-31-2007, 02:38 AM
The swearing in SA fit the mood of the characters it was portraying, so I didn't mind it. It's when it sounds forced that it gets annoying.
This is one of the many reasons I don't like Saints Row, the swearing is forced and annoying.
In Sa, Gears etc it's fine. It fits.
woundingchaney
03-31-2007, 03:00 AM
This is one of the many reasons I don't like Saints Row, the swearing is forced and annoying.
In Sa, Gears etc it's fine. It fits.
Yeah but in Saints Row it fits the social class teh typical "gangsta" scenario would use. Even middle class working brutes typically cuss like a sailor, or the ones I spent about a decade with do.
venomv
03-31-2007, 03:23 AM
Yeah but in Saints Row it fits the social class teh typical "gangsta" scenario would use. Even middle class working brutes typically cuss like a sailor, or the ones I spent about a decade with do.
It does, to an extent, more mirror real life, but in Saint's Row it didn't quite work at times, it did feel forced, I mentioned GeoW, and they did a good job in that regard, but it was still excessive, and I'm not a fan of that.........In fact I hate it with a passion. Probably the only character (in my opinion) in any game that was better because of his cussing is Cid Highwind, and that probably has to do with the fact you have to create the vioce in your head.
curryking1
03-31-2007, 03:50 AM
In Saints Row it had to be the most forced garbage and forced swearing and forced cussing and forced 'I need to say something about bling bling.' It really felt like a bunch of 50 year olds made the dialogue for it.
In SA, the swearing was part of the culture and and the characters. When Barret cusses, it's because that's part of Barret, when Ryder goes 'shiiieeetttt' it's part of his character. The characters aren't themselves if they don't swear like you'd imagine a real version of them would.
Of course some styles people just won't dig, not everyone has to like rap or hip hop or swearing any more than once a day. That's just personal preference.
The way a person talks is a part of a person's identity though, and a swearing, but well presented, character would not be the same character without the swearing no matter whichever way it's sliced.
I can name sooo many characters in films that the swearing is part of the character, that's how the character talks, and the character would not at all be the same, to a greater or lesser degree, character without it.
Sonny: Son off a biiiitcchhhh!!!!
Viper
03-31-2007, 04:04 AM
Really!!
That is honestly the first I have heard of this Seg. is there anything particular in which German rating system disallows?? Will this affect other titles in the future such as Lair, GTA, Sil. Hill etc.
Very interesting.
I recall as far back as Goldeneye for N64 being censored there. All the bad guys had to be recoded in the game as robots and no blood.
Loudninja
03-31-2007, 12:43 PM
LOl, Sony is killing!
VG Aficionado
03-31-2007, 01:57 PM
There's quite extreme censorship in both Australia and Germany in terms of games and movies.
Segitz
03-31-2007, 02:38 PM
So, to clarifiy a bit the german ratings system^^
The problem is that the law states that "stylizing killing of human looking characters" is not allowed. And "lowering the bar on killing" (like in GeoW with the chainsaw... which is really uncalled for) is also not allowed.
Games like MGS are rated even 12 or 16 (MGS2 was rated 12 iirc), because it is not the main element of the game, to kill people. Even games like God of War are not banned here (although they ARE very violent), because the puzzle elements are foreground of the game.
But other games, like Mortal Kombat (the 2D ones), where ripping hearts out and whatnot... got banned within 4 weeks, which is VERY fast for german legislation (the 3d ones are not banned, except MK4, but that sucks anyways).
Usually, not many games get banned here, but it is prominently that within 1 year, already 3 games were not released and 2 were banned (that Sega game, dunno its name, GeoW and DR).
And cussing is NO PROBLEM here. Even radio stations play uncensored songs and even MTV plays the videos uncensored here (if they have the uncensored version at all). Avril Lavigne was on air yesterday (there was a funny boxing match, german comedian (like Jay Leno or what, latenight guy) Stefan Raab against Regina Halmich (multiple womens world champion boxing champion)) and her song (live) was not censored on national tv^^
And other stuff, like drugs and sex are again no reason for banning here. Some other stuff (Nazi symbols and some others) get banned immediately though.
You can bring it to the point were sex and violence are opposed as in the US... If it is sex, bring it on in Germany, if it is violence, be careful... In the US, its vice versa!
VonGak
03-31-2007, 03:02 PM
Heh in Denmark cursing, violence and sex (preferably the real deal if the movie is to be considered as art) are almost mandatory elements in our movies and games (yeah, we only got Hitman to show :().
VG Aficionado
03-31-2007, 03:28 PM
I think I never watched a Spanish movie without sex scenes and cursing.
VonGak
03-31-2007, 04:05 PM
^^ Vanilla Sky and 8mm, yup you guys are perves. :D
and to think the country that made the first official 'porn' movie- Germany- would be a little loosing up. no pun intended.
overclocked
03-31-2007, 04:14 PM
^^ Vanilla Sky and 8mm, yup you guys are perves. :D
Great movies! Some Tom Cruise loving with Magnolia 21:00 also in la Sweden.. :queer:
overclocked
03-31-2007, 04:22 PM
and to think the country that made the first official 'porn' movie- Germany- would be a little loosing up. no pun intended.
Sweden was first with that i belive, atleast the sex-introduction vid! :buldge: that was coming to the states in the 60/70s. I could be way out here..
Getting kind of dirty here in here.. :heybaby:
No womens though but what the hell :grouphug: :cheers:
:buldge:
;)
LiquidEagle
03-31-2007, 06:03 PM
Thanks for the info Segitz. I get a lot of parents who are buying games for their kids that are violent as all hell, and when I tell them it's M-rated they ask me if it has bad language in it. Sometimes I just want to say, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!? He can kill as much as he wants but if he hears a cuss word his whole life is ruined? Like you said, same with sex. The games can be violent, but any sexual innuendo or nudity and they're like "*gasp* we can't get this!"
It's amazing.
Anyhoo, thanks for the info.
part of me wish I lived in Europe. the other part of me wish to get as far as I can from that place.
Segitz
03-31-2007, 07:53 PM
Yeah, there are some movements concering to lower the bannings (meaning, even simple games, were you kill people, like MGS) law...
But that is just a hay fire (??)... I just hope, an EU wide law will be passed, that way, our laws will get better!! (just like with cars... After that law was passed, Quads and small Go Karts were allowed on streets, and no one can do anything against it in Germany, because its EU law^^)
FantasyGhost
03-31-2007, 07:57 PM
Well it's a google translation so don't blaim me.Resistance: Fall of Man, Formulates 1 and MotorStorm, its sold titles more.
Sony Computer Entertainment finishes announcing by means of press official notice that PlayStation 3 in Spain has surpassed today Friday 30 of March, one week after the official launching, the number of the 100,000 sold units of a total of 110,000 with which the market was supplied initially.
“It is the first time that an entertainment system has obtained a so fast penetration in homes in so brief period of time. Also, this launching has supposed an impulse in the sale of films in Blu-ray format (high resolution), whose demand has been multiplied by 30, comparing this week with the previous one to the arrival of PLAYSTATION 3”, a representative of the company in the announcement declared.
Additionally, the three sold titles more for PS3 are published by Sony; Resistance: Fall of Man, followed of Formulates 1 Championship Edition and Motorstorm, although units sold of each one have not been facilitated. Sony Spain anticipates to replace existence with 20,000 weekly units of PlayStation 3.http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.meristation.com%2Fv3% 2Fdes_noticia.php%3Fpic%3DGEN%26id%3Dcw460d038a0da 65%26tipo%3Dart%26c%3D1&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
curryking1
03-31-2007, 07:58 PM
Yay Spain! Yay VG lol! :D
mario25
03-31-2007, 08:26 PM
I liked the blu-ray portion of the article.....hd-dvd's death is coming along with disney's blu-ray movies
OmniCloud
03-31-2007, 08:29 PM
Yeah, I'm even about to check out some Blu-ray movies just to mess with some of the new features...
ah, yes, Spain. where people use the same oil for their bicycles, skin and food.
damn I really need to move to Europe. been stuck here for quite enough...
Smokey
03-31-2007, 10:24 PM
There's quite extreme censorship in both Australia and Germany in terms of games and movies.
and yet our movies are alot different (AU). an M 15+ rating here is like R 18+ in U.S. i mean shit i was glad they banned 50cent game lol
LiquidEagle
04-01-2007, 03:04 AM
Well I'm glad America isn't the only one :-p Happens to the best of us! :laugh:
It's interesting to see what content different countries find to be objectionable though.
gibmonster
04-01-2007, 01:06 PM
I just went around the stores in my area today. There are only 1 or 2 PS3's in some of the stores.
I went to gametraders and the guy there said that he had ordered 40 units but only received 25. He sold all of the units quickly and he expects a new shipment in a week or two. His son was behind the counter playing resistance on a big plasma tv in standard definition and it still looked good. The store owner was happy with the PS3 saying it is a very good system and he is surprised with how quiet it is.
While my brother was watching resistance, we saw the character die. Once on the floor he was surrounded by chimera. My brother and I were amazed with the AI and when we said "cool", some Emos in the store gave my brother a really dirty look and proceeded to look at Wii games. We just laughed at them. What a funny bunch...
Good to know it sold well in my area.
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