Sony Responds to Impending Xbox 360 Elite Announcement [Archive]

Pumpkin Head

03-28-2007, 02:04 AM

With Microsoft's announcement of the HDMI-enbled Xbox 360 Elite coming tomorrow, Sony has wasted absolutely no time in responding. Says Peter Dille, senior VP of marketing:

We think every PlayStation 3 owner should have an “elite” experience, which is why we include an internal hard drive and HDMI output in every PS3 we sell, along with the 50 GB of storage capacity on a high definition Blu-ray disc. Sony has been the strongest advocate of high definition as the future of next-generation gaming. This requires high-definition components, including HDMI output, and large storage devices to deliver and store all that rich and vivid HD content. Microsoft’s announcement today not only legitimizes Sony’s PS3 strategy, it moves us closer to adopting universal standards in the area of high definition gaming that will benefit game developers and ultimately the end user.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/03/sony_responds_t.html

Nfactor

03-28-2007, 02:09 AM

Microsoft is looking to diversify it's internet backlash like Sony has it seems.

good luck MS PR

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 02:14 AM

This is Sony news and Im going to allow it, because it does make a good statement for the existence of some of the PS3 hardware features.

Please though guys I dont want to see an MS bashing thread out of this, although criticism is welcome.

LOL Now for my thoughts.

Overall Im not sure if the sku is where MS should be pushing right now. Primarily it seems that it is directed to help support the existence of their downloadable media content which is a nice addition to the online portion but I believe MS's main interest should lie in focusing on price cuts and gaming content. I cant personally see the sku putting MS in any sort of situation that they are not currently in. A triple sku scenario seems over-burdening to the consumer. HDMI doesnt inherently offer any advantage to the current line up of features and it does strike me as a ploy to stand against some of the features inherent to the PS3. The main problem is the quoted price to the consumer as the addition of a larger hdd and hdmi doenst validate nearly 500 USD (I would like to see more features including a packaged wireless adapter). On the positive side it may push more sales and increase profit off of this sku per sale. In the end it doesnt represent anything to me that any number of other console revision have in the past on other systems.

Sony has done a rather good job of turning this back on themselves and validating the price of their system without being overly offensive (which as of late is something they should be credited for).

EvilTaru

03-28-2007, 02:21 AM

Three freakin' skus, one of which is a tard pack, the other is lacking HDMI, all three are lacking a HD media format, what's the point?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Jay Gee

03-28-2007, 02:22 AM

The thing is, most people who defended Sony on this the second the Elite rumor was announced were shouted down mercilessly. It's good to see Sony going "We told you so." with class.

Diresu

03-28-2007, 02:23 AM

Three freakin' skus, one of which is a tard pack, the other is lacking HDMI, all three are lacking a HD media format, what's the point?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Point is microsoft at one point went "OH SHIT...we really should have had that" Following point is me laughing at them.

masteratt

03-28-2007, 02:23 AM

This is the dumbest thing ever.
Nothing but a half ass response to the PS3.

I'm sorry but I can't help but to feel that's why this was done.
At least put HD-DVD/ Blu-Ray in it for god sake.

They talk about Xbox being strictly about gaming and yet this SKU does NOTHING for games and if X360 can do 1080p, why are they adding a HDMI?

Bah, this makes no sense to me.
I'll just shut up and enjoy the PS3.

MS pisses me off.

And if they actually name this "Elite"........*straps lots of weapons and heads to Microsoft HQ*

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 02:23 AM

Three freakin' skus, one of which is a tard pack, the other is lacking HDMI, all three are lacking a HD media format, what's the point?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Well MS would say the point is in choice and they have a definite point in this. Whether we agree or not is up to our individual perceptions. Regardless the same gaming experience can be had on all skus, but in agreement one does wonder "what is the point" at least at this time in their consoles life cycle. Perhaps someone could elaborate on that.

Logan Cano

03-28-2007, 02:24 AM

MS is just taking advantage of their position regarding price. I am surprised, though, I was expecting a price cut to go for the kill rather than an unnecessary third SKU that lacks a next gen media format.

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 02:25 AM

Ironlungz

03-28-2007, 02:26 AM

Pumpkin Head

03-28-2007, 02:26 AM

The only point I see is catch up.MS is playing catch up they freaked up now they paying for it.

Jay Gee

03-28-2007, 02:27 AM

Maybe that is what this is. A Coke/Coke Classic maneuver. They release the Elite and nobody is overly interested in it. Then they announce a price drop of the original Premium 360 and everybody goes bonkers. If they executed it properly, it would go over well for them (MS).

sikkinixx

03-28-2007, 02:28 AM

They could have at least included wifi....

Pluto

03-28-2007, 02:28 AM

Elite : Representing the most choice or select; best.

Name change, plz. :(

Considering that this should have been the Xbox 360 from release, I can't really justify this.

The Dude

03-28-2007, 02:30 AM

Diresu

03-28-2007, 02:31 AM

^Point is....a console over 400 isn't meant for little timmy from the start. Its meant for the gamer, the hardcore and the techie. Timmy can get it once the price drops.

The Dude

03-28-2007, 02:37 AM

^Point is....a console over 400 isn't meant for little timmy from the start. Its meant for the gamer, the hardcore and the techie. Timmy can get it once the price drops.

But he still wants one NOW. So whats so wrong with making multiple versions of a system? What would be better for Microsoft, having little Timmy's parents buy a watered down version of the 360, or none at all?

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 02:38 AM

I think the "gamer" is typically more interested in games and gaming features more so than price of a console. Every company wants to make money, MS chose to do this by enhancing their online aspects and game library, also by reaching a price point where it can target more consumers on a relatively quick basis. Tieing the 360 to Vista and controlling periphrials is also a very lucrative stance for them. Sony is following in online with a different method, but incorporating features such as BR media to further push other divisions of their company. Im sure Sony is aware that their price point is going to alienate many consumers but the net win they receive in BR, the potential sales of online features, and the potential increase in sales of HDTVs may more than make up for any initial loss of consumer base.

--Not only this but Sony still has a profitable console in the PS2 still pushing sales in the market.

Logan Cano

03-28-2007, 02:41 AM

Well off topic but yes there is a price cut in the works it seems. Also this sku is expected to replace the "premium" version later in the year with the core expected to drop to 200-230 USD. Im not sure on the new "premium" suggested price.

I don't know about that. Unless I am wrong, I am hearing this new SKU will have a 120GB HDD and a HDMI port at $500. So, it's a wierd price structure to drop the price of the other packs.

$500 to $400 to $300 sounds like a sort of natural progression, unless the Elite pack is cheaper than what I've heard.

Old_Timer!

03-28-2007, 02:44 AM

I am aware that in the game industry that console makers copy other console makers. But with this it looks like MS has made the X360 into a PS3 wannabe...I.E. they made the console black and included HDMI. Whats next a X360 with a bluray drive.....

This is why Ken Kutaragi called the Xbox360 (xbox 1.5), he said that MS was looking at PS2 when they designed Xbox360. So now that they can see what PS3 has to offer they can make alterations, and yet they still don't match it feature for feature oh well.

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 02:44 AM

I don't know about that. Unless I am wrong, I am hearing this new SKU will have a 120GB HDD and a HDMI port at $500. So, it's a wierd price structure to drop the price of the other packs.

$500 to $400 to $300 sounds like a sort of natural progression, unless the Elite pack is cheaper than what I've heard.

Well what Im hearing is that the core itself is going to drop but while the "elite" will be initially a 3rd sku it will replace the premium later in the year leaving 2 skus. Although at this point its all rumor. I dont believe any price drops are scheduled until later in the year, once again though its all rumor right now. The existence of the "Elite" is a give in right now though.

Honestly I would like to see how they manage this as well.

Rockmond

03-28-2007, 02:45 AM

curryking1

03-28-2007, 02:48 AM

This is why Ken Kutaragi called the Xbox360 (xbox 1.5), he said that MS was looking at PS2 when they designed Xbox360. So now that they can see what PS3 has to offer they can make alterations, and yet they still don't match it feature for feature oh well.

Obviously the Xbox 1.5 name is pretty, uhh... dem are fighting words lol, but the underlying idea is not without basis for sure. The revision really supports the argument that they were in fact chasing and modeling and competing in reaction to the PS2 and Xbox battle.

But of course the 360 could very well win the sales war anyways lol, but it definitely shows how they approached the next gen with the 360.

Sony and MS went very distinct paths with their next gen consoles from the start.

Logan Cano

03-28-2007, 02:49 AM

Well what Im hearing is that the core itself is going to drop but while the "elite" will be initially a 3rd sku it will replace the premium later in the year leaving 2 skus. Although at this point its all rumor. I dont believe any price drops are scheduled until later in the year, once again though its all rumor right now. The existence of the "Elite" is a give in right now though.

Honestly I would like to see how they manage this as well.

Yep. I'm even thinking that the existence of a $500 SKU could benefit the PS3. Its price would look a little better to the general public if they had a competitor with the same price tag with less features, even more if they drop the price of the console before the holidays.

sikkinixx

03-28-2007, 02:51 AM

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 02:52 AM

Yep. I'm even thinking that the existence of a $500 SKU could benefit the PS3. Its price would look a little better to the general public if they had a competitor with the same price tag with less features, even more if they drop the price of the console before the holidays.

Thats a good possibility particularly later in the generation when the consumer starts becoming aware of feature set and capabilities. Although at this point Im not seeing much of a difference in sales (IMO). Essentially it may very well be worth it to consumers to buy BR with a smaller hdd than a 360 with a larger hdd. Although this would only be one aspect of the purchase decision.

I think MS may be doing more to validate the price of the PS3 structure.

koten

03-28-2007, 03:35 AM

Can we please stop acting like PR matters?

curryking1

03-28-2007, 03:37 AM

Can we please stop acting like PR matters?

I think most of us were commenting on the action of MS rather than the talk of Sony. I'm not kidding btw, I'm quite suprised myself.

What Sony said doesn't matter in the slightest.

Danji

03-28-2007, 04:05 AM

I hold more importance in the posters on this board than Sony's PR because companies always have an agenda. Posters rarely have an agenda though some may be irate...and irrational.

As for the Elite-360, it really has me interested in getting one now. The HDMI and 120GB HDD are things I really wanted the original to have and now that it does..well all I have left to complain about is playing online and the multimedia features not being so keen. Oh well, at least the 360 has had in-game custom soundtracks since it came out. *still seething pissed over that*

pari

03-28-2007, 05:36 AM

Well MS would say the point is in choice and they have a definite point in this. Whether we agree or not is up to our individual perceptions.

Wounding, MS saying choice is like emperor without clothes. MS is saying Sony is pushing Blu-ray on the gamers and not giving any them choice. I could ask why use proprietary wrapper around the HDD and proprietary wireless protocol? How much choice do I have in getting a bigger HDD or using an existing bluetooth headset? If MS is willing to make comparison between 360 and PS3 regarding the optical drive, then its fair to make comparison between the HDD upgradability and choice to use bluetooth enabled headset?

If core is phased out, then the 360 would have HDD as standard and new games might use HDD. What I am seeing, MS is back pedaling a lot, but MS is so good in PR spin that MS would spin it as listening to customers and giving them choice. I am not buying is PR spin nor am I willing to be part of $3.5 billion dollar viral marketing. If Sony had done this, it would be a completely different story by now. Every website worth their salt would have written how Sony got it wrong and they have no vision, rushed their console blah blah... but with MS its all about choice. Welcome to the world of PR spin and PR BS.

"Having the same gaming experience across all the three sku" PR BS. Then how come Sony was dinged hard for not having WiFi on the 20G, all the same people who complained about 20G not having WiFi are the ones who are defending the three sku from MS.

Zer0-Sum

03-28-2007, 05:41 AM

I just cannot get over the feeling of Microsoft following the PS3 with the 360 even though PS3 came out a year after 360. Catch up, no? Such was the mistake of their strategy.

Personally this is the main reason that I want a PS3. It is future proof for quite a while and no PS3 owner will have any worries. If I was a 360 owner I would mad pissed right now. To get an upgrade model for a DS is only $150, which is why I got a DS lite with no second thought. But if I just paid $400 for a 360 and now they bring this "Elite" unit out, anger is not even close. Pissed is better the word. But that is just me.

PSXBatou

03-28-2007, 05:52 AM

Honestly this feels more like MS is doing a "me too". They see that their competition has HDMI and a large HD, so they say "look at me, i have it too". In all reality without wifi or a HD drive i think they are justifying to consumers to purchase their competitors console. That and I am sure that this will piss off more than a fair share of current x360 owners.

curryking1

03-28-2007, 05:55 AM

I'm not disagreeing with you Batou, but there's always to some degree that when you are trying to hit the same market, there is a need to offer very similar packages.

I think it's a very reactive move as well honestly.

gibmonster

03-28-2007, 05:58 AM

I don't see a point to this. I'll echo what others have said and say that these new features will have no impact on the actual gaming aspect. With the PS3, everything complements each other and it makes sense. This does not.

I can see some people being blind and saying that this is great, and in some ways it is, but in all honesty it will just be so they can say "look we have HDMI!!!".

<3frosty

03-28-2007, 06:06 AM

Most of yall talking about how this is a direct reaction to the PS3, i hope you realize this had been in the works for a while now. Although that doesnt mean that it isn't a reaction, its just not something as rushed as some of yall seem. Its not a "oh no, PS3 has momentum, lets pull out the Elite" situation at all.

I think this should MAINLY address the concerns of the console's reliability first and foremost. Remember, this has the new 65nm process that should keep heat down. If i can keep my 360 from breaking down and causing me quite the bit of inconvenience for an extra 100 bucks, AND get 120 gbs of HDD (More then quadruple the Premium model) and have HDMI ready and built in, why the hell not?

Old_Timer!

03-28-2007, 06:31 AM

Has MS officially confirmed this alledged Elite system yet, they still haven't said yet it's coming right. But I guess if Sony is commenting, it's more or less a sure thing.

<3frosty

03-28-2007, 06:31 AM

Woa woa woa woa woa. I just read on IGN that this new version DOESNT have a new chip process? So therefore it has the high likelihood that it will be just as unreliable as the Core and Premium!? WTF> :curse:

pari

03-28-2007, 06:32 AM

Most of yall talking about how this is a direct reaction to the PS3, i hope you realize this had been in the works for a while now. Although that doesnt mean that it isn't a reaction, its just not something as rushed as some of yall seem.

Then can we also agree to the fact that Sony's HOME also had been in works for while and not a copy of Mii? If the argument can be applied for Elite I believe it can be applied for HOME also.

I think this should MAINLY address the concerns of the console's reliability first and foremost. Remember, this has the new 65nm process that should keep heat down. If i can keep my 360 from breaking down and causing me quite the bit of inconvenience for an extra 100 bucks, AND get 120 gbs of HDD (More then quadruple the Premium model) and have HDMI ready and built in, why the hell not?

It still does not have 65nm part yet and there are going to be three skus.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360-elite/feature-microsoft-gets-elite-247496.php

The Xbox 360 Elite will come with a 120GB hard drive, an HDMI port, a HDMI cable, both component and composite cables, an audio adapter for use with HDMI and a black finish for the console, wireless controller and Xbox Live headset. It will not have, despite rumors to the contrary, the smaller 65 nanometer chips, built in IPTV support or a built-in HD-DVD drive.

................

While Microsoft declined to comment on specific launch numbers for the new model, they did say it would not be a limited edition run. The Elite is here to stay, as are the core and standard Xbox 360.

If the rumors are true, AMD is fully utilizing Charter's 65nm capacity and Charter's general 65nm is not ready yet. The 65nm process that Charter uses for AMD is different from Charter's general 65nm (i.e., XeCPU and others)

<3frosty

03-28-2007, 06:32 AM

Has MS officially confirmed this alledged Elite system yet, they still haven't said yet it's coming right. But I guess if Sony is commenting, it's more or less a sure thing.

Official announcement has been made already.

Applefiend

03-28-2007, 06:33 AM

Can we please stop acting like PR matters?

Sir, I like the way you think.

<3frosty

03-28-2007, 06:35 AM

Then can we also agree to the fact that Sony's HOME also had been in works for while and not a copy of Mii? If the argument can be applied for Elite I believe it can be applied for HOME also. I dont see why not, im not one that ever argued that HOME was a copy of Wii or a reaction of Ninty having momentum.

If the rumors are true, AMD is fully utilizing Charter's 65nm capacity and Charter's general 65nm is not ready yet. The 65nm process that Charter uses for AMD is different from Charter's general 65nm (i.e., XeCPU and others)

They need a new chip process or something that makes the system more reliable. Im still waiting because i want to see either a price drop or a more reliable system implemented. Damn you Microsoft.

pari

03-28-2007, 06:39 AM

They need a new chip process or something that makes the system more reliable. Im still waiting because i want to see either a price drop or a more reliable system implemented. Damn you Microsoft.

MS does not do process, its beyond their control. And they do not even do chip design...

Sypher

03-28-2007, 06:43 AM

LMAO Are they serious?!? $180 for a 120gb HD? No wifi? Same glitched chipset? No IPTV? OMG biggest drop of the ball ever!!!

totobeni

03-28-2007, 06:46 AM

oh..value comparison say hi

* HDMI in a system that have DVD format only ( HD-DVD add on via USB )
* only HDMI + 120 HDD upgrade
* no bult-in HD-DVD player
* same old chips
* no WI-FI
* black color
* 480 $

480 $ for that ???

PS3 look better and better <---and it can running linux

<3frosty

03-28-2007, 06:49 AM

MS does not do process, its beyond their control. And they do not even do chip design...

I realize that they dont make their own chips. But that does not mean they can just sit on their laurels. They have units out there that seem to be highly unreliable. They need to do something, and do it fast. Whatever the fix is.

Danji

03-28-2007, 06:50 AM

Actually Pari they do that now. They may not be able to do a fab update of a processor but they do have an engineering team now.

LaLiLuLeLo

03-28-2007, 06:55 AM

consider whether or not the codenamed 'zephyr' would be coming to fruition, and to the market, if sony had made an analog console with all currently existing technology.

Applefiend

03-28-2007, 07:01 AM

Actually all I care about is the firmware update that lets my current 360 use 120GB drives, and the hardware mod that let's me use an off the shelf 120GB drive. :)

Illegal hardware modding ftw. Wooohooo! :)

Sypher

03-28-2007, 07:03 AM

^Does the 360 support External Drives through usb?

You know whats sad? Even though i know this is a complete ripoff, I want it.

Applefiend

03-28-2007, 07:05 AM

Yup, I think so, but two boxes and two power plugs for your console, so un elegant sir.

Also a faster internal hard drive will make your games go faster. Can I hear a wooohooo!

Sypher

03-28-2007, 07:10 AM

WAIT!?!?! Is it using HDMI 1.3???

gibmonster

03-28-2007, 07:18 AM

I dont see why not, im not one that ever argued that HOME was a copy of Wii or a reaction of Ninty having momentum.

They need a new chip process or something that makes the system more reliable. Im still waiting because i want to see either a price drop or a more reliable system implemented. Damn you Microsoft.

I haven't exactly been keeping up with current affairs in gaming as I used to. Is it the CPU thats causing some problems?

Jay Gee

03-28-2007, 07:39 AM

Has anybody been reading the comments on that page on Kotaku?

Check this one out: darkslide says:

@SpaceWhale
"70$ for to upgrade to 6x larger harddrive isn't exactly the worst deal in the world"

You're gonna tell me, with a straight face, the 20gb HDD for $99 was a good deal?

saxdawg00

03-28-2007, 07:46 AM

WAIT!?!?! Is it using HDMI 1.3???
I would also like to know the answer to that, sir.

TheGreenElf

03-28-2007, 07:49 AM

All I see in that quote is HD-this HD-that, High Def-here, Hi-Def Sony.

stanDarsh

03-28-2007, 08:27 AM

I may consider picking one of these up at some point. But for now I have no need.

OmniCloud

03-28-2007, 08:30 AM

meh...

Initial PS3 price sucks-but at least I don't have to deal with any of this add-on/upgrade crap....

I'm perfectly happy with PS3 as my main console, this only increases my justification. Once you buy a PS3, get maybe a second controller, all you have to worry about afterwards is the games and services that come...

I won't say it's a bad move by MS, but it ain't a good one, especially if PS3's price drops this year.

Diresu

03-28-2007, 08:38 AM

Viano

03-28-2007, 09:03 AM

Certain a great move... in many ways, since it will definitely gain some new buyers..
However, it seems that they just wanna eat up as much market as they can, without bothering using their brain properly thus to piss many people off.

Sorry offtopic:

response to fats' newest avatar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-FtwH0D-E

LiquidEagle

03-28-2007, 12:24 PM

I can see why they didn't include HD-DVD (that's no surprise at all to me, and shouldn't be a shock to anybody) -- it may as well have been a totally new console at that point with the way it would draw a big ol' line down the market. However, the disappointment there is that they really painted themselves into their own corner by not having that kind of foresight.

Enough about MS though -- I just hope Sony doesn't fly off the handle saying "we told ya so!" every chance they get -- so far they've spoken well and I hope they leave it at that, letting the hardware speak for itself.

VG Aficionado

03-28-2007, 01:07 PM

Least surprising announcement ever.

Hilarious 1crap article (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158279)

pari

03-28-2007, 02:33 PM

Least surprising announcement ever.

Hilarious 1crap article (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158279)

From the same link, I could not resist posting this comment.

Good Value
Author: grognard66, 03/28/2007

The new Elite 360 represents a good value for those interested in video marketplace content and upcoming XNA releases (and larger Arcade releases).

Sony was foolish not to include HDMI cables or a headset and their online suffers greatly by not including a cheap headset (I have yet to hear a single person use voicechat in all my online sessons on PS3).

The 60 Gig HD on the PS3 is more than adequate for now considering that the various Sony divisions don't talk to each other so none of the Sony Motion Picture films are available for download on PSN.

I'm assuming the Elite has the quieter DVD drive, but it would have been nice if it had the smaller 65nm CPU so it would run cooler. I'll stick with my 2 20-gig 360's for now. That standalone $180 60-gig HD is a rip-off.

Wow, all the MS viral marketers are at work full time: Spinning. Remarkable when they have been just screwed. $399 + $180(120 GB) = $579 or $399 + $479 = $878. Sony's lack of HDMI cable is big issue when 120GB is being sold for $180 with no option other than to buy from MS.
Newegg price $81.99 for 120GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136007

Wow, its only Sony that is shoving high priced optical drive on the gamers without any choice. MS always gives choice by asking, how do you want to be screwed?

F089/H

03-28-2007, 02:38 PM

Three freakin' skus, one of which is a tard pack, the other is lacking HDMI, all three are lacking a HD media format, what's the point?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

I can't even lay my finger on it but like wounding said..I want a damn Wireless Adapter..That would be Next Gen,Getting rid of all the Wires... they're still behind the 8-ball and Hasn't even hit Stores..:ghey:

Viano

03-28-2007, 03:12 PM

that'd be a good example to teach ESL students what rip off means.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-28-2007, 03:41 PM

Fats

03-28-2007, 03:48 PM

i thought there was suppose to be no bashing.... whatever.

i may get one of these like 3 or 4 years from now, when my 360 kicks the bucket and my warranty expires.

I am suprised at the sony comment... not really arrogant, just standing for their side.

But what about the other three SKU's that Microsoft will release between now and then?

:shifty:

In all seriousness though, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Microsoft were trying to shoehorn their next console out the door by that time.

Nameless

03-28-2007, 03:49 PM

If MS wanted to really put pressure on Sony from a pricing perspective they should replace the premium with the Elite sku & replace the core with the premium sku. The result would be a standard HDD drive & the Elite model would stack a little better vs the core PS3 model. The Elite move is an obvious move to quickly gain profits for MS; the Xbox division is still in the red & has never produced profits. MS trying to jump the gun on obtaining profits could negatively impact their pricing decisions, because they are in the drivers seat regarding pricing... The Elite pricing structures removes a lot of pricing pressure from Sony IMO; poor strategic move by MS someone should be fired!

Fats

03-28-2007, 03:51 PM

The Colour kills me though. It's just like, "Ohhhh, so you went with Black did you? So, you're not trying to copy the Playstation 3 in any way?"

F089/H

03-28-2007, 04:24 PM

HAR-HAR!..It better hit before Christmas though...Or they can count me out!
I need it now

Both of these 2 sexy black consoles and My Hot Black Floating-Glass TV will do it all kinds of Justice..The White just seems sooo out of place ;)

PSXBatou

03-28-2007, 04:35 PM

The Colour kills me though. It's just like, "Ohhhh, so you went with Black did you? So, you're not trying to copy the Playstation 3 in any way?"

Oh you so know that it is a "Looks at me I can do this too" from ol Billy Goats.

The problem for MS is that their price point and the fact that they are still missing wifi and HD drive, it makes Sony look better price:feature wise imho.

VonGak

03-28-2007, 05:06 PM

The only point I see is catch up.MS is playing catch up they freaked up now they paying for it.

Well it was the price to pay for a one year head start.

Just like it's the reason why the 360 doesn't support an HD medium for games.
Blu-Ray is not and has never been the reason why the PS3 cost $100 more.

TimmyJ

03-28-2007, 05:17 PM

^Point is....a console over 400 isn't meant for little timmy from the start. Its meant for the gamer, the hardcore and the techie. Timmy can get it once the price drops.

Hey

VonGak

03-28-2007, 05:19 PM

Hey

LOL Good one. :D

jaxmkii

03-28-2007, 05:27 PM

They could have at least included wifi....

and the HD-DVD as an internal drive.

lol how can you call it elite it still has 360 biggest fault!? it still has a last gen disk format.

Smokey

03-28-2007, 06:14 PM

If Sony had done this, it would be a completely different story by now. Every website worth their salt would have written how Sony got it wrong and they have no vision, rushed their console blah blah... but with MS its all about choice. Welcome to the world of PR spin and PR BS
QFT

koten

03-28-2007, 06:16 PM

The Colour kills me though. It's just like, "Ohhhh, so you went with Black did you? So, you're not trying to copy the Playstation 3 in any way?"It's so true. I mean, Sony is the only company to ever use the color black. The invented it after all, just like video games, CDs and portable media storage.

LaLiLuLeLo

03-28-2007, 06:31 PM

Glad to see we're on the same page here.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-28-2007, 06:38 PM

yes, lets all point fingers at microsoft for copying since sony never does it.

I know Microsoft has said they dont think HDMI is necessary, but they also stated if there was a time when the consumer demanded it, they would provide it.

The color isnt even like the ps3's. Its a black... and an ugly black in my opinion. It is not glossy. And honestly, what other colors could they have gone with? Maybe platinum or something? They wanted a color to distinguish the elite, and there is really little to choose from when it comes to what the consumer wants.

The Rabbit

03-28-2007, 06:39 PM

They could have at least included wifi....

Indeed...I thought that would be standard by now since all the other consoles and handhelds have them..oh well so much for dreaming.

Bless

Fats

03-28-2007, 06:56 PM

It's so true. I mean, Sony is the only company to ever use the color black. The invented it after all, just like video games, CDs and portable media storage.

For being such a sarcastic ass, you seemingly cannot detect when I'm using sarcasm. Lighten up, it was in jest.

Syncere Styles

03-28-2007, 07:05 PM

Sounds more and more like the PStriple = Mac and the 360 = PC

03-28-2007, 07:10 PM

It's so true. I mean, Sony is the only company to ever use the color black. The invented it after all, just like video games, CDs and portable media storage.

yes, lets all point fingers at microsoft for copying since sony never does it.

first off, nobody mentioned Sony not copying here. they are talking about how they want to mimic the leader. do you mean to tell me there is no logical connection what so ever between the X2 being black with Playstation?

is it a total coincidence that both Rev and X2 stand up right now?

oh, and don't use that "Sony invented everything" mockery out side of Ninty zombies. people here know what Sony did, tried to do, and is doing. as they will continue in the future by being what they are. it is laughable that some actually picture Sony as a gaming-only company like their mother Ninty.

Fats

03-28-2007, 07:12 PM

Z makes a fair point. I certainly wasn't implying that Sony never copy. Anyone who believes in that principle is in denial. I was merely suggesting that this is all very coincidental, which most people have pointed out anyway.

LaLiLuLeLo

03-28-2007, 07:12 PM

yes, lets all point fingers at microsoft for copying since sony never does it.

They wanted a color to distinguish the elite...

http://ps3.pspfreak.de/wp-content/ps3-konsole.jpg
:shrug:

Smokey

03-28-2007, 07:46 PM

http://ps3.pspfreak.de/wp-content/ps3-konsole.jpg
:shrug:

its a beautiful machine :)

ddaryl

03-28-2007, 07:59 PM

all companies copy, and all great ideas manifest themselves throughout industry

Apple invented the Ipod, but they didn't invent MP3 players... Apple is such a copier...boycott apple.

Should we even go into detail on how pretty much every major idea MS has had has been borrowed or stolen on their way to the operating system monopoly they are today.. MS Zune anybody ?

so yes anyone who has a problem with Sony borowing ideas that work is a big time fool.

anyone that thinks Sony is not a innovator is even a bigger fool.

so take that fools !

Red_Eyes

03-28-2007, 08:03 PM

Diresu

03-28-2007, 08:47 PM

Microsofts next announcement: "Motion sensing controller in development...wer caling it...5+1 Axis!!

Fazares

03-28-2007, 08:58 PM

i guess the normal xbox360 adopters are a bit screwed...i m glad i bought a ps3 as well:-/

VG Aficionado

03-28-2007, 09:09 PM

:shrug:They just "legitimised" the fact that black = elite ;)

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 09:54 PM

I like to know how all those current owners of 360s feel. Rip-off? Screwed over something that should have come standard? There must be something wrong with those owners if they don't feel screwed over.

Did you feel screwed over when the PS2 slim came out or when the network adapter was made standard?? How about the owners of of the DS when teh DSlite came out. Or how about the plethora of other console revisions throughout the generations. In reality HDMI doesnt enable anything one way or the other.

Some may "feel" ripped off but then again one wonders why people react like they do.

Blu-Ray is not and has never been the reason why the PS3 cost $100 more.
What do you believe the reason is??

Fats

03-28-2007, 09:57 PM

Did you feel screwed over when the PS2 slim came out or when the network adapter was made standard?? How about the owners of of the DS when teh DSlite came out. Or how about the plethora of other console revisions throughout the generations. In reality HDMI doesnt enable anything one way or the other.

Some may "feel" ripped off but then again one wonders why people react like they do.

What do you believe the reason is??

Wounding, that was a good four years after the original release of the PS2. People will feel a little pissed irrespective of other products - having said that - you can't keep everyone happy.

03-28-2007, 10:02 PM

all companies copy, and all great ideas manifest themselves throughout industry

and my point is that that wasn't the point in discussion, and yet.

so take that fools !
now, now.
i guess the normal xbox360 adopters are a bit screwed...i m glad i bought a ps3 as well:-/

personally, if I was an X2 owner, the only thing I would want is the color and especially the HDMI port. other than that, I wouldn't mind.

but come on, a lot would be playing the thing for almost two years. a little update after a while is not much considering the time you've spent playing it. ;)

koten

03-28-2007, 10:05 PM

first off, nobody mentioned Sony not copying here. they are talking about how they want to mimic the leader. do you mean to tell me there is no logical connection what so ever between the X2 being black with Playstation?

is it a total coincidence that both Rev and X2 stand up right now?

oh, and don't use that "Sony invented everything" mockery out side of Ninty zombies. people here know what Sony did, tried to do, and is doing. as they will continue in the future by being what they are. it is laughable that some actually picture Sony as a gaming-only company like their mother Ninty.For God's sake, look at my usertitle and rethink my responce.

For being such a sarcastic ass, you seemingly cannot detect when I'm using sarcasm. Lighten up, it was in jest.If I could find that smily that's smashing it's head into a wall, I would put that here.

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 10:08 PM

Wounding, MS saying choice is like emperor without clothes. MS is saying Sony is pushing Blu-ray on the gamers and not giving any them choice. I could ask why use proprietary wrapper around the HDD and proprietary wireless protocol? How much choice do I have in getting a bigger HDD or using an existing bluetooth headset? If MS is willing to make comparison between 360 and PS3 regarding the optical drive, then its fair to make comparison between the HDD upgradability and choice to use bluetooth enabled headset?

If core is phased out, then the 360 would have HDD as standard and new games might use HDD. What I am seeing, MS is back pedaling a lot, but MS is so good in PR spin that MS would spin it as listening to customers and giving them choice. I am not buying is PR spin nor am I willing to be part of $3.5 billion dollar viral marketing. If Sony had done this, it would be a completely different story by now. Every website worth their salt would have written how Sony got it wrong and they have no vision, rushed their console blah blah... but with MS its all about choice. Welcome to the world of PR spin and PR BS.

"Having the same gaming experience across all the three sku" PR BS. Then how come Sony was dinged hard for not having WiFi on the 20G, all the same people who complained about 20G not having WiFi are the ones who are defending the three sku from MS.

What PR spin are you or anyone else willing to buy?? As I stated it is a choice and your perception on that is what matters. Games right now use HDD and the existence of an HDD doesnt make anywhere near the difference that one may think (although there is some limited advantages, check Cpis statements in the latest podcast among others). There is a definite choice in what you want with the console but the same base gaming experience exists between all (arguably here though) depending on the gamers preference they gear the console to their choosing.

Is it spin well yes I see it that way but there is an inherent truth to it. Why didnt MS make the hdd standard well its a price concern, why didnt they include an optical hd media well its a price and timing concerns. Every gaming company does the same thing only through different avenues. MS has been slammed in the media over the decision on many occaisions but they have been on the market for considerably longer now and arent drawing the criticism Sony currently is. Many people that think Sony is the "only" one to be bashed by the media must have missed the pre and post launch era of the 360.

As any consumer they have the choice in what the 360 offers and the PS3 offers spin included in both scenarios. What each of us considers important/necessary in a console is not necessarily what the next consumer wants or needs. Im not trying to validate everything MS says as that is clearly not the case here or ever but any one way condemnation should be viewed on a matter of opinion.

--Overall Im glad the thread hasnt turned into a one way I hate MS or other nonsense but ease up just a little guys. (thats not pointed at anyone in particular)

Danji

03-28-2007, 10:13 PM

woundingchaney

03-28-2007, 10:17 PM

I think the analogy would be more accurate, wounding, if you capable of adding HDMI externally somehow. The network adapters integration with the design didn't mean crap. The model before it bundled the damn thing anyways. The thing that mattered there was the fact they took out HDD compatibility which really screwed over a few people (myself included).

The black 360 should probably be $400 instead of $480 but MS has the ability to do such things because nobody is having a price war with them.

Yes the analogy would be better although there isnt a perfect one available here (LOL).

And yes I agree that nearly 500 USD for the sku is bordering on ridiculous. Although there is rumblings that later this will replace the premium sku and maintain a 400 USD price point (but that rumor as of now).

Domination

03-28-2007, 10:17 PM

Remind me why this is a bad thing? Not all of us can spend over $400 on a console (shit, I struggle with $300) Not everyone is a hardcore gamer. Apple has many different sized ipods becasue not everyone needs 7,500 songs. Not everyone needs HDMI or a 120gb HDD. If little Timmy wants a Xbox 360 for christmas to play Lego Star Wars you really think Mr and Ms MiddleAmerica are going to spring for a +$400 console? I don't think so.

The difference between an ipod and a console is developers not having to take advantage of the features implemented into that device. So by including different capabilities in a device such as the ipod only gives consumers a luxury rather than hindering the type of content that is transfered to that device. This is what little Timmy doesn't have to experience when his mother purchases Apple's device.

Most of yall talking about how this is a direct reaction to the PS3, i hope you realize this had been in the works for a while now. Although that doesnt mean that it isn't a reaction, its just not something as rushed as some of yall seem. Its not a "oh no, PS3 has momentum, lets pull out the Elite" situation at all.

I think this should MAINLY address the concerns of the console's reliability first and foremost. Remember, this has the new 65nm process that should keep heat down. If i can keep my 360 from breaking down and causing me quite the bit of inconvenience for an extra 100 bucks, AND get 120 gbs of HDD (More then quadruple the Premium model) and have HDMI ready and built in, why the hell not?

Sorry, but I do find this as a reaction to the competition for the simple fact that 1080p and HDMI was claimed to have been irrelevant at first and that the market did not need it due to the low percentage. Later we find that it was partially being included in an upgrade as a direct reacting to the competition by Peter Moore at a previous conference. Then we hear of a add-on HDMI plug of some sort. Now we hear about an Elite system with the port built-in. If this was planned from the start, then I have to question the trouble behind such a simple working feature and the criticism.

Next up is a HDD. Before, it was claimed that consumers were being offered a very good deal on the 20GB HDD since you will find most external HDDs to cost much, much more. Later, the PlayStation launches with a universal 60GB HDD (three times the capacity) and much cheaper. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure a larger HDD was coming, but it seems like this was a direct reaction to comfort the fact that other implementations were missing, thus an illusion was created to make it seem like an equal offer at a slightly lower cost.

The downfall is even with this Elite system, so much more is still missing besides obvious others like WiFi and Blu Ray.

yes, lets all point fingers at microsoft for copying since sony never does it.

I know Microsoft has said they dont think HDMI is necessary, but they also stated if there was a time when the consumer demanded it, they would provide it.

The color isnt even like the ps3's. Its a black... and an ugly black in my opinion. It is not glossy. And honestly, what other colors could they have gone with? Maybe platinum or something? They wanted a color to distinguish the elite, and there is really little to choose from when it comes to what the consumer wants.

Sure... There's just one problem, the consumers DID need it and so they were offered just that in a complete package. Yet, it was spent as if it was a bad decision because it would make the package being offered seem inferior to rivals.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-28-2007, 10:49 PM

IEatFriedPikmin

03-28-2007, 10:51 PM

i wish it had wifi as well... i dont know why they decided not to include that.

Leedogg

03-28-2007, 10:53 PM

So has Microsoft officially announced it yet???

Diresu

03-28-2007, 10:56 PM

So has Microsoft officially announced it yet???

Yes, last night.

dnpmakkah

03-28-2007, 11:12 PM

They should have gone with a green color in my opinion. Green would have distinguished itself from the white color and still maintain it's xbox color scheme.

OK obvisously we all know that adding HDMI and a bigger harddrive is important in next-gen gaming. Unfortunetly for 360 owners Microsoft is joining that party a bit late. There are one of two reasons for this. They realize that Sony did something right and are blatantly copying aspects of it that ironically they bashed or they honestly realized that this is what gamers want and felt a need to put it in with a new SKU.

But whatever the case may be it kinda is a no win situation AS OF RIGHT NOW but later no one will care and things will be fine. It's just that 360 owners are upset because they feel like they got an ever bigger tard pack by buying the older model...but I'm sure after calming down they will be fine in due time. Then on Microsoft's side this is not a good move right now because it makes it look like they are copying and didn't have a futureproof system to begin with.

But like I said its a no-win situation right now but in a few weeks everything will calm down and it'll be no big deal. Personally I don't think it's that bad of a price. It looks cool and has a huge HD drive with HDMI. The ONLY reason why I think it looks negative is because now it's closer to the PS3 price and still lacks a next-gen movie drive.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-28-2007, 11:29 PM

Black is more accepting among the public though.

The Dude

03-28-2007, 11:32 PM

The difference between an ipod and a console is developers not having to take advantage of the features implemented into that device. So by including different capabilities in a device such as the ipod only gives consumers a luxury rather than hindering the type of content that is transfered to that device. This is what little Timmy doesn't have to experience when his mother purchases Apple's device.

HDMI and a larger HDD (or lack there of) do not hinder nor enhance gameplay in anyway. If you are not using Live and downloaded content there is no reason to waste money on a HDD.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-28-2007, 11:35 PM

^i agree that HDMI is more of a luxury, but developers do like HDD... cpiasmic(sp?) is a developr and says HDD helps with streaming processes and such, according to frosty at least. I don't think it will be much of an issue for a year or more though...

Diresu

03-28-2007, 11:36 PM

HDMI and a larger HDD (or lack there of) do not hinder nor enhance gameplay in anyway. If you are not using Live and downloaded content there is no reason to waste money on a HDD.

I disagree. Standard HDD DOES enhance gameplay. Reduced loading times for example are a gameplay enhancement. Hdmi is a graphical enhancement which isn't directly related to gameplay but is still relative to the over experience.

Domination

03-28-2007, 11:45 PM

domination, when the 360 was released, few tvs had HDMI, and people did not really care for it.

And when i talked about the color, i was saying how they wanted to distinguish it from the white 360. not the ps3. lets use some common sense here.

...which means the console was future proofed for consumers demanding it later on, as predicted. So by Microsoft adding these things, and in an entirely different unit, it only shows a lack of perception on their part when compared to the competition.

I'm not sure where you gather me commenting on the appearance of the console. Maybe you should refer back to that post once more.

From the same link, I could not resist posting this comment.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158279

Wow, all the MS viral marketers are at work full time: Spinning. Remarkable when they have been just screwed. $399 + $180(120 GB) = $579 or $399 + $479 = $878. Sony's lack of HDMI cable is big issue when 120GB is being sold for $180 with no option other than to buy from MS.
Newegg price $81.99 for 120GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136007

Wow, its only Sony that is shoving high priced optical drive on the gamers without any choice. MS always gives choice by asking, how do you want to be screwed?

This comparison is obvisously skewed starting with the subscription. To further elaborate on that, when you purchase Live, you aren't doing so for just a year otherwise it negates the value of your purchase as a whole. The value has to be consistent. So to add Live you are given two choices, it must either be permanent, since there is no one time fee to hold you over until the next console, or it must be excluded all together. This is where the cost is jacked up tremendously.

Then their are the peripherals and other features/functions built into the console such as USB ports, Blue Tooth devices, browser, etc., which adds little to no cost to be supported for usage.

Segitz

03-28-2007, 11:49 PM

Thing is, with a standard HDD, developers are able to do stuff, they cant, if it is optional.

If the HDD is missing, then the DVD drive must compensate it (look at Oblivion for example), which I cant always do. If there was a standard HDD, the devs could even go further and use the HDD to its max, not just for faster loading (taking load off of the DVD, but it also must be able to do this job alone).

I think, MS launches the real 360 just now. The first one was gimped with analogue only output (not in any way futureproof, if you look at a consoles lifetime of 5yrs+). The bigger HDD is nice, but the first one also offered one (besides the gimp pack, which really noone should buy at all), albeit to a much too high price. Todays HDDs are up to 8 times bigger than this one, but still the same price (2.5'').

The problem I see is, that MS maybe forced to switch the ICT on, now that the 360 has HDMI, which would cut out 10mil people in terms of HD dl content and HD DVD.

And as I read here, they still use the old circuitry mostly. This means many more RCODs. (no bashing intended, but this system HAS problems and they were not really addressed up till now, 15 months after launch).

Domination

03-28-2007, 11:49 PM

HDMI and a larger HDD (or lack there of) do not hinder nor enhance gameplay in anyway. If you are not using Live and downloaded content there is no reason to waste money on a HDD.

Yes, but a 1080p native, next-generation format, and a built-in harddrive does. By not including them, it affects how that content is ran on that device.

IEatFriedPikmin

03-28-2007, 11:53 PM

...which means the console was future proofed for consumers demanding it later on, as predicted. So by Microsoft adding these things, and in an entirely different unit, it only shows a lack of perception on their part when compared to the competition.

I'm not sure where you gather me commenting on the appearance of the console. Maybe you should refer back to that post once more.

just quoting what i know.

i was referring to a previous post. sorry.

03-29-2007, 12:13 AM

I think it is safe to consider large memory in-built will be standard from here on. in fact, every new gaming system has a built in storage capacity as default except for X2.

taxloss

03-29-2007, 12:27 AM

It just so happens that 360 now has HDMI, and to top it all, its no coincidence that its HDD is now 120GB! Microsoft must of thought, hold up, lets make the HDD twice as big as PS3's! We will make it black too, just to piss off Sony!

Diresu

03-29-2007, 12:32 AM

^Funny part is that its all in vein when you can't use the HDD for games.

Applefiend

03-29-2007, 12:55 AM

Not quite true, you can't design your game with the assumption you'll be running on a machine that has an HDD.

And I presume your save game is limited to 64MB, so limiting how persistant a world can be.

VonGak

03-29-2007, 12:56 AM

Thing is, with a standard HDD, developers are able to do stuff, they cant, if it is optional.

the devs could even go further and use the HDD to its max, not just for faster loading (taking load off of the DVD, but it also must be able to do this job alone).

So very true, I want GTA4 to remember the havoc I leave the city areas in. :wank:

Diresu

03-29-2007, 12:59 AM

Not quite true, you can't design your game with the assumption you'll be running on a machine that has an HDD.

Indeed.

Viano

03-29-2007, 01:22 AM

HDD, HDMI, and Blu-Ray

The PS TrIIIple q("- ")p

jaxmkii

03-29-2007, 02:09 AM

http://ps3.pspfreak.de/wp-content/ps3-konsole.jpg
:shrug:

this picture dose not do the machine justace ots so much more beutifull and glossyer.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r246/jaxmkii/DSC03734Medium.jpg

VG Aficionado

03-29-2007, 02:17 AM

woundingchaney

03-29-2007, 02:33 AM

The lowest common denominator applies to the PS3 as well as there is aspects of both systems that outperform the other.In the end I believe there is enough "comparable" for both systems to make an excellent game even in comparison to first party titles. Also the game is often coded or tweaked to perform better on the given platform so its not as if there isnt features supporting the strong point of any given console.

As far as the HDD. It is true that designing a game around the presence of an hdd isnt very probable for the 360 although many games are designed to detect the presence of an hdd giving an "advantage" although it wouldnt be the equivalent of a game designed with a hdd initially. There has been one title on the 360 that the hdd is mandatory and I personally expect it to be more common in the future although that is only opinion. I think that the next GTA is going to tell us alot about just how "necessary" an hdd is to gaming.

Much of the streaming statements are regarded to memory as much even more so than speed of drive and/or hdd. Its not as simple as saying present hdd or lack of hdd.

64mb would be large for a save file, if it was an issue I dont believe MS would cap it at that number.

woundingchaney

03-29-2007, 02:39 AM

For those of us wanting to mark up points though I would agree that a standardized hdd for the PS3 is a net positive for the console (yes even in comparison to the 360). :)

Overall a wise choice by Sony particularly where the consumer is concerned.

Loudninja

03-29-2007, 02:42 AM

Well Sony is right thought, both PS3 are Elites to all 3 of MS SKU,s

woundingchaney

03-29-2007, 02:43 AM

Well Sony is right thought, both PS3 are Elites to all 3 of MS SKU,s

Well in a round about sort of way I agree :). Although I would say that the PS3 console is Elite unto itself.

Danji

03-29-2007, 03:49 AM

Except for the lack of in-game soundtracks. God *A**...wonder when we're gonna get that.

LiquidEagle

03-29-2007, 07:18 AM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42720000/jpg/_42720465_pslaunch-microsoft203.jpg

:laugh: this picture just got funnier with this announcement. :-p

Diresu

03-29-2007, 07:24 AM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42720000/jpg/_42720465_pslaunch-microsoft203.jpg

:laugh: this picture just got funnier with this announcement. :-p

They need to add some text along the lines of "Thanks for letting us think we control Europe till now...was very nice of you."

VG Aficionado

03-29-2007, 11:56 AM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42720000/jpg/_42720465_pslaunch-microsoft203.jpg

:laugh: this picture just got funnier with this announcement. :-p:laugh:

Man, what is wrong with them? :look:

kaphwan

03-29-2007, 02:39 PM

Now, see, the old me would have had a field day with this. But I just don't care anymore.

F089/H

03-29-2007, 03:10 PM

HDMI and a larger HDD (or lack there of) do not hinder nor enhance gameplay in anyway. If you are not using Live and downloaded content there is no reason to waste money on a HDD.

HDMI does not enhance the Image better than Component?

A larger HDD does not Decrease Load times thus giving you Longer playing times=ing more enjoyment?

:spit:
What are you smoking?

VG Aficionado

03-29-2007, 03:16 PM

I could understand that someone doesn't see HDMI as a major advantage in a games console, but the HDD or a massive storage solution will be mandatory from now on not only because it allows you to download more game content, but because it does benefit gaming in more technical ways.

The Dude

03-29-2007, 03:24 PM

HDMI does not enhance the Image better than Component?

I never said that. I said it does not effect gameplay.

F089/H

03-29-2007, 03:44 PM

I never said that. I said it does not effect gameplay.

It looks better and Graphics are just as much a part of the game as playing it.Tie em up!

section

03-29-2007, 03:51 PM

A larger HDD does not Decrease Load times..?It may actually increase loading times because the latencies tend to get bigger with bigger platters hence more time to move the reading head.

BruceWayneIII

03-29-2007, 03:57 PM

It may actually increase loading times because the latencies tend to get bigger with bigger platters hence more time to move the reading head.

The platters don't get bigger - the density is increased - so usually, a big capacity disk is faster than a low capacity disk (same physical size).
The r/w head doesn't have to travel very long.

venomv

03-29-2007, 03:58 PM

HDMI does squat for gameplay, and 20GB is plenty if you aren't filling it up with other things.

VG Aficionado

03-29-2007, 04:25 PM

It may actually increase loading times because the latencies tend to get bigger with bigger platters hence more time to move the reading head.Huh? We're talking about optical drive based consoles here. If the developers can take advantage of an standard HDD in every PS3 in terms of loading times compared to the Blu-ray drive, it's all good.

Segitz

03-29-2007, 09:18 PM

Did anyone of you ever look at the typical latencies of DVD drives and HDDs?

a usual DVD Drive now has a latency of +100ms (if it is SINGLE layer!)

a usual HDD Drive now has a latency of 10ms (5400u/min, ignoring fragmentation. We dont know which partition format the consoles use as of yet, if it were ext3 or something along these lines, fragmentation wont be an issue)

And to further clear up my post.

I meant, if every console has an HDD, games WILL get designed to use it. Seeing as a HDD has a sustained bandwidth of about 20mbyte/s+ (every number here is very conservative, my newer 3.5'' Seagate can do up to 70Mbyte/s if its not fragmented) and the DVD drive of the 360 has (on dual layer) a transfer rate of about 10 to 12 mbyte/s. Now, if a game really uses the HDD (not for loading, but streaming) taking out the HDD will break the game. Every tried playing GTA SA with a scratched disc? This is what I am talking about (no textures, complete laggyness and so on). Now with a system, that does NOT have a standard HDD, you can use the HDD to "soften" the experience, but not really much to enhance it. On the other hand, if the HDD is standard, one can push the limit even further (negating the what 40mbyte/s less avail. on the PS3).

I hope, my text above makes sense somehow... I am in a bit of a hurry, but wanted to finish it^^

totobeni

03-31-2007, 08:54 PM

that just in ...from Neogaf

360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM #1

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148897
so...480$ for black color and bigger HDD ...

man...i want to read some value comparisons now

cliffbo

03-31-2007, 09:12 PM

oops

:)

totobeni

03-31-2007, 09:38 PM

oops
:)
exactly

what the point of this "Elite" if it doesn't have Bult-in HD-DVD , WIFI and Disc slot or the new chips , and with today's news ( doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM #1 ) ..seriously what the point ..?

masteratt

03-31-2007, 09:54 PM

Money money money money money money mooooooooney
Money money money money money money mooooooooney

MS releases the console later than competition = Fuck up.

MS release the console before competition with fair amount of success, captures some ex-exclusives from competition but still = Fuck up.

Sony release before competition = Rape.

Sony release a year after competition with much less money than the competition but still = Breaking records.

Taste the rainbow difference.

MS welcomed Sony to Next-gen but Sony can't welcome MS yet ;)

03-31-2007, 10:08 PM

what is really off this world is that they charge you $180 for a 120G HDD. ooookay...

Diresu

03-31-2007, 10:11 PM

what is really off this world is that they charge you $180 for a 120G HDD. ooookay...

Especially considering you can get a 300 gig for $120....

Zer0-Sum

03-31-2007, 10:21 PM

what is really off this world is that they charge you $180 for a 120G HDD. ooookay...

QFT man, Microsoft is smoking bucket loads of crack rocks.....

totobeni

03-31-2007, 10:26 PM

just for the new page ....

360 'Elite' doesn't support HDMI 1.3, DD+, TrueHD or 5.1 PCM #1

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1).

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148897

what is really off this world is that they charge you $180 for a 120G HDD. ooookay...

180$ for HDD and black shell ...

no Built-in HD-DVD player - WIFI or Disc slot , no 65nm chips ,no HDMI 1.3, no DD+, TrueHD , no 5.1 PCM ..anf they call it ELite ???

maybe Xbox360 Zinger will come with HDMi 1.3 and X360 Fried Supreme will come with 65nm chips and Built-in HD-DVD.