Is Sony's Blu-Ray Future-Proof?

[taxloss]

The PS3's Blu-Ray drive can handle BD Java ok as far as we know, but it seems part of this is picture in picture support. PS3 can not do this! So come November when all Blu-Ray players have to be able to cope with this, PS3 will be left behind. Is this something hardware based or can this be sorted with a software update? I sure hope it can.

http://www.n4g.com/tech/News-32110.aspx

[VonGak]

PS3 is the only current BD player which supports picture in picture.

There was a rather short thread about this at NeoGaf.

[GreyKnoll]

Nothing of this world is of an integrity to surely withstand all the wraths of time.

I should know, for I have seen the end.

[VG Aficionado]

Then I wonder what's that Java logo in the back of my PS3 box :susp:

Besides, there's this thing called... you know... firmware upgrade. And it's not like PS3 doesn't have enough CPU or GPU power or memory to enable additional features when playing movies.

And it's funny, but I remember reading the very contrary to what that site claims earlier this week, just like VonGak says. It looks like it might be the same case as when IGN reported that PS3 could only queue up to 6 files for background downloading "coincidentally like Xbox 360"... only for us to find out immediately that they made that up :susp:

Just don't believe everything you read.

EDIT: The original source is The Inquirer. And they don't even care to elaborate on why it can't or couldn't. LOL.

[fastasleep]

There's a world of difference between a platform not supporting a feature such as PIP and not being able to do it. When I bought my 360 n november 2005, there were a ton of things it couldn't do that were resolved with a firmware update. So, it could do them, but it just didn't support them under the old firmware.

The odds of the blu ray forum adopting some impossilbe standards that the ps3 wouldn't be able to comply to are very slim to none, given that the ps3 has become the big driver of blu ray software sales.

[Coded-Dude]

you get + rep for a sound post newb.......lawl.

[Z]

taxloss, it wouldn't hurt if you did a little reading on some of these things. ;)

oh, and you may not want to visit such sites as the Inquirer, Joystic (sp intentional), spnge or dreadlockhairyasses.com

[VG Aficionado]

Not to mention 1crap.

[Red_Eyes]

Is Sony's Blu-Ray Future-Proof?

What if I said yes?

[VG Aficionado]

What if I said yes?That you would be exactly right.

[Applefiend]

Speak of the devil the HD DVD for 360 came out in New Zealand today. Picked one up. It's looks identical in quality to the Warner VC-1 Blu Rays on the one disk I have.

What it does have is picture in picture which is very nice. Instead of an audio commentary it's a video/audio commentary in a window. So it'll show you how they did special effects and stuff.

Very nice. BD should do this too.

[taxloss]

Cheers guys, was just asking the question whether it was possible with a software update. Wasn't sure. Plus I don't read these sites directly, but do visit N4G.com for lots of news on the PS3.

[SleazyBig slim]

BR is capable of 200GB disc, infact PS4 might release in the $3-400 price range because BR will be as cheap as DVD tech by then also the next gen Cell chip shouldn't be too much either. HDD prices are falling by the day.

[liver_kick]

Um, I was checking out picture in picture on the Descent disc just a few weeks ago on my PS3. ;)

As far as I know PS3 was the first BR player to support picture in picture and BD-J functionality.

but do visit N4G.com for lots of news on the PS3.

Yeah, you might want to rethink that.

[fastasleep]

Um, I was checking out picture in picture on the Descent disc just a few weeks ago on my PS3. ;)

As far as I know PS3 was the first BR player to support picture in picture and BD-J functionality.


The descent doesn't support PIP in a traditional sense. What they did was a workaround. From hi def digest.

However, unlike the HD DVD format's HDi environment, which allows for live in-player mixing of two separate video streams, Blu-ray BD-Java tools are currently MIA. So Lionsgate took the more obvious route, encoding a full, separate version of the film, complete with those little video picture-in-picture boxes over the main feature, to simulate the IME experience.

So, in other words, there are actually two versions of the film on the disc. One without the PIP box and one with. That's why a 98 minute film is on a BD-50 disc.

[liver_kick]

The descent doesn't support PIP in a traditional sense. What they did was a workaround. From hi def digest.



So, in other words, there are actually two versions of the film on the disc. One without the PIP box and one with. That's why a 98 minute film is on a BD-50 disc.

Ah, so that's what they did. Was wondering why that was one of the few discs that implemented it yet. ;) PQ was still really good too. They really need to get on the ball with the BD-J stuff though.

But anyway to answer the OP, PS3 won't have any problem with it.

[mario25]

PS3 Will cure cancer, I'm sure it can handle PIP ;)

[F089/H]

BR is capable of 200GB disc, infact PS4 might release in the $3-400 price range because BR will be as cheap as DVD tech by then also the next gen Cell chip shouldn't be too much either. HDD prices are falling by the day.

They might have even Future-Proofed PS4?:cry2:

It's Possible.

[qzak]

taxloss, it wouldn't hurt if you did a little reading on some of these things. ;)

oh, and you may not want to visit such sites as the Inquirer, Joystic (sp intentional), spnge or dreadlockhairyasses.com

I can't get the dreadlockhairyasses.com link to work.

[Garfunkel]

BD is capable of up to 10 layers (as of now anyway). that is around about 250GB. Plenty future proofing, i'm sure ;)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

this thread (the question being presented) makes negative sense. A disc is just a storage device for any kind of data on any level.

[koten]

PS3 is the only current BD player which supports picture in picture.

There was a rather short thread about this at NeoGaf.
What is the point of picture in picture? It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[Smokey]

What is the point of picture in picture? It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

yeah whoever uses it on your TV anyway???

[woundingchaney]

Even then one has to wonder about HDMI itself. As always been hailed as a future proof connection the hardware itself has gone through a series of changes in a short time. HDMI 1.3 may only be a brief stop until 1.4,1.5 etc.

[Z]

What is the point of picture in picture? It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
my only use for it is when I am waiting for a show on another channel. but in this particular case, it serves as to answer the thread originator's question about PS3 being able to do so.

PS. I don't know if this counts as a pic-in-pic feature, but I love how every movie and game icon in my XMB all play simultaneously. :)

I'd be more worried about the ultra hd res's that are being shown at ces type shows . If these panels come down the pipe in the next few years as affordable replacements for 720p sets that were bought on the cheap we may see a short life of hd-dvd and bluray
if you are talking about BD space, then worry not. they can go up to 200G per disc. ;)
Even then one has to wonder about HDMI itself. As always been hailed as a future proof connection the hardware itself has gone through a series of changes in a short time. HDMI 1.3 may only be a brief stop until 1.4,1.5 etc.
that is expected. the question is, how fast will the new standards come in (what is generally agreed on by major CE makers like the current 1080p figure) and the reall difference of different HDMI and other ports' ability to keep up.

I really don't see it as an issue when HDMI gets a little better. little upgrades aren't worht the wait or the price for me. I rather make leaps with TVs rather than small adjustments that many won't even notice.

when I get my 1080p HDMI 1.3 set, I think I won't even think about upgrading for the next decade at least.

[woundingchaney]

that is expected. the question is, how fast will the new standards come in (what is generally agreed on by major CE makers like the current 1080p figure) and the reall difference of different HDMI and other ports' ability to keep up.

I really don't see it as an issue when HDMI gets a little better. little upgrades aren't worht the wait or the price for me. I rather make leaps with TVs rather than small adjustments that many won't even notice.

when I get my 1080p HDMI 1.3 set, I think I won't even think about upgrading for the next decade at least.

Well since its debut the new standards have moved relatively fast, already 4 revisions in around 5 years.

I would agree that the revisions dont particularly bother me as a consumer either but I can definetely see a point when people make note that their 2k tv is no longer top of the line and able to take advantage of the latest features because they purchased it months prior to a new revision. At this rate an HDMI adopter may miss out on several revision over the life of their tv, its not as if the revisions are forward compatible.

This unfortunately is common in electronics although unlike other electronics a tv has a much longer purchase life.

--This really has little to do with BR itself:)

[cliffbo]

Even then one has to wonder about HDMI itself. As always been hailed as a future proof connection the hardware itself has gone through a series of changes in a short time. HDMI 1.3 may only be a brief stop until 1.4,1.5 etc.

if you step back from what you say wounding, you will notice a trend towards dismissing the future proofing features of PS3. HDTV (we'll see better in the future) HDMI (we'll see better in the future) Blu-ray (hard copies could well be replaced by digital distribution) whilst i totally agree with these statements, i see no value in discussing them when the PS3 is of now and the next ten years. ;)

[woundingchaney]

if you step back from what you say wounding, you will notice a trend towards dismissing the future proofing features of PS3. HDTV (we'll see better in the future) HDMI (we'll see better in the future) Blu-ray (hard copies could well be replaced by digital distribution) whilst i totally agree with these statements, i see no value in discussing them when the PS3 is of now and the next ten years. ;)

Well Cliff essentially you are right, my statements are geared towards BR but HDMI itself which would be a little off topic and I should have made that clearer. :)

Yes there is going to be BR enhancements and HDMI revisions that is the nature of the market but for the console life there is little to suggest that it would particularly suffer from this, if anything the PS3 could incorporate these things along its life cycle as they occur in their given technologies.

Im not really one to express the oncoming digital distribution world as I see it being more than a few years off.

[VonGak]

Even then one has to wonder about HDMI itself. As always been hailed as a future proof connection the hardware itself has gone through a series of changes in a short time. HDMI 1.3 may only be a brief stop until 1.4,1.5 etc.

Hmm, true but on the other hand the PS3 can't output sound and image at higher bandwidth than supported by HDMI 1.3 while HDMI 1.2 doesn't support True HD surround sound and 32bit 1080p @ 60fps.

With HDMI being backward compatible the PS3 shouldn't suffer when future versions of HDMI are introduced. :)

[Applefiend]

Hang on, I'll do a picture tutorial on picture in picture with HD DVD. I gots all the toys... :)

[Applefiend]

OK, excuse the rubbish pictures, HD DVD really looks better than this.

OK, this is how picture in picture works, first of all you play your HD DVD from the 360 menu. Seriously, it looks like a Pokemon capsule.

http://www.bhprojects.com/Media/hddvd/1.jpg

Then you're in the title screen.

http://www.bhprojects.com/Media/hddvd/2.jpg

No trailers or documentaries or TrueHD audio or choice of DTS/DD5.1 or director commentary on this disk. Just plain DD5.1+. Hmmm... Interesting. All I'm saying. :) I don't have a BD with so few extra features. Hmmm... :)

http://www.bhprojects.com/Media/hddvd/3.jpg

Now press the A button and a "U Control" button onscreen comes up. At certain times in the movies it'll expand to show "Picture in Picture" or "Art Galleries". This time we have "Picture in Picture".

Hit the OK button on your remote. It's interleaved with the movie so if you start it late, you'll start half way through.

http://www.bhprojects.com/Media/hddvd/4.jpg
And then you'll get Peter "get a haircut you're in show business mate" Jackson talking about this or that aspect of the movie.

I'll get the The Descent on BD and see how that works, but this is how HD DVD does it.

[curryking1]

King Kong is a wicked film.

[Applefiend]

Typical, pretty blondes always end up with real apes. :)

[VG Aficionado]

Typical, pretty blondes always end up with real apes. :)The metaphor of high class life, ladies and gentlemen.

[LiquidEagle]

<3 Peter Jackson, that's all I have to say :laugh:

[VG Aficionado]

I beat you at Blast Factor, Liquid :-p

[Applefiend]

Meuh, should have let the monkey win this time. Weta Digital are the **** though. So cool they're working on Heavenly Sword.

Watched the whole movie thinking "Bet that monkeys going to bite the head off that blonde" never did. "Take a bite dude".

I have a Kiwi Blu Ray disk. It's weird....

[Applefiend]

Kiwi/PAL Blu Rays'n'games. (Doesn't deserve it's own thread)

Got Kung Fu hustle. RV didn't really appeal. :)

http://www.bhprojects.com/Media/kiwibd1.jpg
For comparison here's a HD DVD, US PS3 game, Kiwi PS3 game(hence bland lettering) and US BD.

The Kiwi/PAL BD is in a box the same size as a PS3 game. Not impressed. US BDs are smaller and stack better as do HD DVDs everywhere.

http://www.bhprojects.com/Media/kiwibd2.jpg

They had about 5-7BDs at the shop, all full RRP(50 kiwi bucks!!!!), about half region free the rest region B.

This BD was 50 new zealnd dollars, that's 35.77USD.

US RRP: $28.95, Amazon.com price $19.99. First and last Kiwi BD I'll buy, thats as bad as Japanese RRPs. Ouch.

Still can't find HD DVDs anywhere.

[LiquidEagle]

I beat you at Blast Factor, Liquid :-p

I ought to -rep you...

In my defense, I haven't played it a whole lot and I certainly haven't played with the intention of setting a new record :laugh:

[game designer]

No worries at all on this. :)

GD

[backbreaker]

Even then one has to wonder about HDMI itself. As always been hailed as a future proof connection the hardware itself has gone through a series of changes in a short time. HDMI 1.3 may only be a brief stop until 1.4,1.5 etc.

Thats the beauty of 1.3, all future revisions are based off 1.3. 1.2 was the cut off point. Thath is one of the reasons sony hails the PS3 as future proof.

[VG Aficionado]

Thats the beauty of 1.3, all future revisions are based off 1.3. 1.2 was the cut off point. Thath is one of the reasons sony hails the PS3 as future proof.That's right. All the way up to HDMI 2.0, all of the revisions between 1.3 and that could all be software based. The main difference between 1.2 and 1.3 is that it doubled the bandwidth (a bit more than double, actually). It makes me wonder why they didn't call it 2.0.

[Segitz]

Because in Hardware, usually a 2.0 is a MAJOR difference.

Like with USB 1.1 and 2.0.

The former had like 15mbit/s and the latter has 480mbit/s with several extensions (afaik things like crc, more protocols and that stuff)

[Z]

That's right. All the way up to HDMI 2.0, all of the revisions between 1.3 and that could all be software based. The main difference between 1.2 and 1.3 is that it doubled the bandwidth (a bit more than double, actually). It makes me wonder why they didn't call it 2.0.

wait till you see 2.0.


it's ALIVE!!

[VG Aficionado]

Because in Hardware, usually a 2.0 is a MAJOR difference.Isn't more than twice the bandwidth a major difference? :shrug: Mostly when we're talking about 4.9 Gbps VS 10.2 Gbps, both of which are about 10 and 20 times respectively what USB 2.0 can do.

[jako]

A bit off topic, but I don't want to open a new topic for this question :

today I tried my first BD movie on my SD TV, and the result isn't really good.
There is a sort of "lighting" being the picture that goes on and off, that makes is hard to look at. The BD I used is "Big Fish" (Tim Burton).

Do someone have ever heard about such a pb ? Do I have to change my PS3 ?

[mario25]

How would I like to share some things I learned at a meeting about future products at my company with you guys..........but I'm under NDA :cry2:

[F089/H]

^ you will speak,regardless of your Non-Disclosure Agreement..:realmad

[frosty]

How would I like to share some things I learned at a meeting about future products at my company with you guys..........but I'm under NDA :cry2:

Aww... look... the little face has sprung a LEAK. here's a tissue.

[VG Aficionado]

How would I like to share some things I learned at a meeting about future products at my company with you guys..........but I'm under NDA :cry2:Now you have to tell us something, no matter how vague :realmad

[Z]

what? mario25 has feelings?

[FantasyGhost]

Just Plant some Mellon seeds here and there, i'm sure it'll spread like a wild fire.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

blu-ray is future proof for like..maybe another 20 years I'd say. No media is exempt from human progress. None.

[jaxmkii]

^ future resistant would be the operative word.


did you learn anything taxloss?

[curryking1]

Yes, it's well placed for the future. Why? BD is going to win the format war in the most likely scenario, and by that token alone it makes the format 'future proof.' The PS3 only helped the BD start out, although it didn't require the help 'that' much. BD was always the format with far more support, and was always set to deliver far more of the best movies for a long, long time. +80% studio support tells a lot, and the fact that studios are only moving towards BD and not away is a far more telling story.

[mario25]

I'm more than ever convinced blu-ray will be victorious...It will not dramatically fast become the next standard, but it surely will.........

[Smokey]

I'm more than ever convinced blu-ray will be victorious...It will not dramatically fast become the next standard, but it surely will.........

yeah ya NDA dont let you sprout much hey?

[mario25]

well...that or the company I work for is in for some serious monetary loss if it doesn't :laugh:

[Smokey]

:) :)

[zero 7]

BR is capable of 200GB disc, infact PS4 might release in the $3-400 price range because BR will be as cheap as DVD tech by then also the next gen Cell chip shouldn't be too much either. HDD prices are falling by the day.

theyll probably bring out another movie format by then lol

[VG Aficionado]

well...that or the company I work for is in for some serious monetary loss if it doesn't :laugh:*coughddvdremovedfromshelvesbeforeXmasforev ergoingtotallyblu-raycough*

[Sephiroth_VII]

theyll probably bring out another movie format by then lol
Yes, most likely this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Hvd_disc.jpg
Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) is an optical disc technology still in the research stage which would hold up to 3.9 terabytes (TB) of information. It employs a technique known as collinear holography, whereby two lasers, one red and one blue-green, are collimated in a single beam. The blue-green laser reads data encoded as laser interference fringes from a holographic layer near the top of the disc while the red laser is used as the reference beam and to read servo information from a regular CD-style aluminium layer near the bottom. Servo information is used to monitor the position of the read head over the disc, similar to the head, track, and sector information on a conventional hard disk drive. On a CD or DVD this servo information is interspersed amongst the data.

A dichroic mirror layer between the holographic data and the servo data reflects the blue-green laser while letting the red laser pass through. This prevents interference from refraction of the blue-green laser off the servo data pits and is an advance over past holographic storage media, which either experienced too much interference, or lacked the servo data entirely, making them incompatible with current CD and DVD drive technology.[1] These discs have the capacity to hold up to 3.9 terabytes (TB) of information, which is approximately 5,500 times the capacity of a CD-ROM, 830 times the capacity of a DVD, 160 times the capacity of single-layer Blu-ray Discs, and about 10 times the capacity of standard computer hard drives as of 2007. The HVD also has a transfer rate of 1 gigabit/s. Optware has released a 200 GB disc in early June 2006, and Maxell in September 2006 with a capacity of 300 GB and transfer rate of 20 MB/s.[2][3] Since the announcement, there have been no further news or products on market.

[Z]

theyll probably bring out another movie format by then lol

there might be a new one and there might not be. what is sure to happen is that by that time, BD would be very cheap to make and drives will be fast. having a BD at around 200G with good speed is more than enough to handle anything by that time and b3yond.

:wave:

[satriales]

King Kong is a wicked film.

-rep (/jk ;))

It was an awful film (almost as bad as The Mummy Returns).



As for Blu-ray, I can't imagine myself buying a TV to upgrade my new 1080P one. The picture quality is outstanding and I can't imagine seeing much improvement with a higher resoloution unless the screen was the size of the whole wall.
I guess there could be advancements in other areas of technology (colour depth, contrast ect) but nothing thats significant enough to make me want to replace my 1080P tv. As far as I'm concerned Blu-ray will be all I need for the forseable future.

[cliffbo]

is Blu-ray futureproof? NO! in two years time another format will come out and everyone will forget they just paid $1000 plus for their TVs, sell it and buy a higher spec TV, throw their PS3 away or their Blu-ray player and buy the new Purple-ray player. it's easy, ask Sony

[curryking1]

I call it..... V-Ray.

P.S. King Kong IS good ;)

[Sephiroth_VII]

-rep (/jk ;))

It was an awful film (almost as bad as The Mummy Returns).



As for Blu-ray, I can't imagine myself buying a TV to upgrade my new 1080P one. The picture quality is outstanding and I can't imagine seeing much improvement with a higher resoloution unless the screen was the size of the whole wall.
I guess there could be advancements in other areas of technology (colour depth, contrast ect) but nothing thats significant enough to make me want to replace my 1080P tv. As far as I'm concerned Blu-ray will be all I need for the forseable future.

One word: 3D.

[iceman2654]

What exactly do is meant by future-proof? The same success as DVD perhaps? Well if that's the case, then yes. Assuming bluray wins, it will be as successful as DVD. But then how about Holographic storage?


The first holographic products are certainly not mass-market - a 600GB disc will cost around $180 (£90), and the drive costs about $18,000. Potential users include banks, libraries, government agencies and corporations.

Source (http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2080840,00.html)

As you can see it's initially very expensive. That doesn't mean it won't come down in price, it just means in all likelyhood it will stay with the business/industrial sectors for a long time. In my opinion this will be enough for blu-ray to not be affected by holographic storage.

[Z]

Yes, most likely this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Hvd_disc.jpg

oh sure, why not...if you want to pay:
However, the reader will cost around US$15,000, and a single disc will cost around US$120–180

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

I am not talking about you, but some through in the Holo-disk (no realtion to the Arrancar) in BD's face and say 'ha!'. :barf:

[Khaos]

HVD is poised already to succeed Blu-Ray though. Right now it is extremely expensive to manufacture, but don't expect it to stay that high. For all of you here that genuinely like Blu-Ray for its higher disc capacity, then you should be eagerly awaiting HVD with its 3.9TB discs.

Is it too much space currently? Yep. But I'm sure people at the onset of DVD would think that 50GB-200GB is way too much and would never be needed. I would give it 15 years about though.

Also, I heard that current players only support dual layer BDs (or something similar; help me out ;-]). Would this be something that could be updated with a firmware update to allow the PS3 to read quadlayer discs? Or is it entirely dependent on the drive itself.

[KRA]

ohh
i woud like to see Holographic drive in ps3.
so it would be so expensive that nobody wouldn't even care to
whine about it's price ;)

[Z]

HVD is poised already to succeed Blu-Ray though. Right now it is extremely expensive to manufacture, but don't expect it to stay that high. For all of you here that genuinely like Blu-Ray for its higher disc capacity, then you should be eagerly awaiting HVD with its 3.9TB discs.
but paying a few bucks for a BD is no trouble at all. prices of BD games and movies are good as well. when HVD becomes consumer viable in price range, I would shout 'bring it on!'. unlike some very few out there, I never say anything is 'too much' or 'unnecessary'. only if when I am talking about price do I say that. in IT, there is nothing fast enough, small enough, bigger storage enough (hey, I wanted to rhyme) and so on. :)

PS. there are other disk and other storage solutions that have big capacity, but price and practicality are always a reality.

[makeitlookreal]

Holographic discs are awesome. I think that it's going to be the storage medium of the future.

Just imagine having all of your data, movies, tv programs, music, and everything on one disc!

[edoshin]

Heck .. we can ALWAYS wait for the next gen technology right around the corner. But when THAT arrives, there will be the next gen technology right around the corner of that. When do we stop waiting? I certainly am glad PS3 has Blu-Ray because holographic discs sure wont come around for some time. In the meantime, where do I get my hi-def movies for my 6,000.00 television? And devs are cutting back on content in games because DVDs will not suffice.

[makeitlookreal]

I am also glad the PS3 has blu-ray. However, I'm looking forward to the PS4 having holographic discs!

[iceman2654]

^ MILR, that would be so cool.

[taxloss]

No doubt new disc formats will come out down the line eventually. But is the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 future proof within Blu-Ray? I mean, are alot of Blu-Ray functions something the PS3 can adopt through firmware, or is it the drive that's the problem? What will be the final Blu-Ray standard and will the PS3 be at that standard?

[Khaos]

Now I wasn't implying that we always 'wait for the newer tech'. Just that nothing is future proof.

taxloss, I am also wondering about the Ps3's future BluRay functionality. Will it be able to support quad-layer discs? I am not sure, but is the amount of layers a drive can read limited by the drive itself, or firmware?

I also don't know about the PS4 supporting HVD. Sony is not currently a member of the HVD Alliance. Maybe they will jump onboard later. :shrug:

[Applefiend]

Nah, 25-50GB is the sweet spot for movies and games for the next 10 years, film stock is only so good, getting good high def content for BD is hard enough right now.

Maybe when I get a 10800P TV or something I'll want HVD. :)

[Mhi]

A bit off topic, but I don't want to open a new topic for this question :

today I tried my first BD movie on my SD TV, and the result isn't really good.
There is a sort of "lighting" being the picture that goes on and off, that makes is hard to look at. The BD I used is "Big Fish" (Tim Burton).

Do someone have ever heard about such a pb ? Do I have to change my PS3 ?

I think your tv is the problem bro.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Now I wasn't implying that we always 'wait for the newer tech'. Just that nothing is future proof.

taxloss, I am also wondering about the Ps3's future BluRay functionality. Will it be able to support quad-layer discs? I am not sure, but is the amount of layers a drive can read limited by the drive itself, or firmware?

I also don't know about the PS4 supporting HVD. Sony is not currently a member of the HVD Alliance. Maybe they will jump onboard later. :shrug:

It uses the same diodes as every other blu-ray player, and since the Blu-ray standard has already been defined, I can't imagine that they'll suddenly change it and make newer discs unreadable to old players.

[Segitz]

Theres another issue to be looked at with quad layered discs.

The laser needs a finer focus. If the PS3s BD Drive was built with this in mind (omitting other stuff like horizontal or vertical wave alignment and such) then a firmware would be able to enable this... but I find it unlikely

[totobeni]

oh man...oh man...

from yesterday until today i was thinking the title was" Is Sony's Blu-Ray Bullet-Broof ?"

..and i never enter here cuz i think it was a thread about that youtube video when some guy do dirty stuff to his Blu-ray disc


my eyes need a rest