EGM May 2007 rumors and scores. Next month revealing of Ubi's next Tom Clancy game

[Grovestreet]

A user on NeoGAF has posted the rumors and scores of this month's EGM. Also, the issue revealed that the next issue has the world exclusive scoop on the next Tom Clancy game from Ubisoft, which is a completely new series.
Rumors
- BioWare forming a new team to work on a KOTOR MMO.
- Dragon Age coming to the PS3.
- BioWare's DS game to be the new installment of the Baldur's Gate series.
- Another Halo game is in the works.
- Microsoft wanted to include a motion controller with Halo 3, but Bungie shot it down.
- Most all of Squares handheld games (DQ IX, Revenant Wings, Crisis Core, FF Tactics) will be pushed back to next year.
- New Simpsons game from EA based on the movie.

Review Scores - Wii
Super Paper Mario: 8, 9, 9 [Game of the Month]
Cooking Mama: Cook Off: 7, 8, 7.5
Medal of Honor: Vanguard: 4, 4, 6

Review Scores - Playstation 3
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: 9.5, 8.5, 9

Review Scores - Xbox 360
Earth Defense Force 2017: 8, 7, 7.5
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2: 8.5, 8, 7.5

Review Scores - Nintendo DS
Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales: 6, 6.5, 6.5
Wario: Master of Disguise: 4, 5, 5
Custom Robo Arena: 7.5, 8, 8
Lost in Blue: 5, 5.5, 4.5

Coming in the June 2007 Issue
- World exclusive on the next Tom Clancy game from Ubi (completely new series).- Hironobu Sakaguchi on the future of role-playing games and why he'll never make a game on the Playstation 3.
- Manhunt 2
- Progress report on Too Human.
- Pokemon Diamond/Pearl review.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148766

[LaLiLuLeLo]

why did sakaguchi turn into a hater all of a sudden?

microsoft wanted to include a motion controller with three, but bungie shot it down- HAHAHAHAHAH.

[Pluto]

Pffrt. Stay in the shadows, Hironobu..

I'll never have to play any of your games/watch any of your terribly directed movies. :)

[Viper]

Super Paper Mario: 8, 9, 9 [Game of the Month]
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: 9.5, 8.5, 9

I thought Review Score is what determined GOTM?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

maybe not. also oblivion is just a rerelease for a new platform. yeah, it's great and all but we played it on 360 and pc a year ago.

[VG Aficionado]

Sakaguchi is just bitter because of his forced departure from Square after FF: TSW box office failure ($125 million loss), and he's on Microsoft's payroll too now (and so is EGM). Just let him develop exclusive JRPGs that won't be as profitable as SE ones, if at all.

[Siraris]

The next splinter cell is 360 exclusive.

[Grovestreet]

The next splinter cell is 360 exclusive.

Read it properlly...NEW Series.

[VG Aficionado]

The next splinter cell is 360 exclusive.Ubisoft = timed exclusive at best.

[Kabbage]

Super Paper Mario: 8, 9, 9 [Game of the Month]
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: 9.5, 8.5, 9

I thought Review Score is what determined GOTM?

Didn't it win it when it first came out? If so, can the same game win the award twice?

[purchaser]

Hironobu Sakaguchi on the future of role-playing games and why he'll never make a game on the Playstation 3.

But that's very bad. So I'll never play a Sakaguchi-game. One next gen console and one hd-tv is more than enough for me.
Try it again in the next generation, Hironobu.

[Diresu]

Wow Sakaguchi really seems butthurt for whatever reason. Then again I guess being booted from the best company for rpg's must hurt too. Have fun selling 200k copies of your games in japan at most while square continues to sell millions of whatever they make.

[OmniCloud]

But that's very bad. So I'll never play a Sakaguchi-game. One next gen console and one hd-tv is more than enough for me.
Try it again in the next generation, Hironobu.meh, there's but so many RPG's you can play...Besides, this is online debate until we see something more official.

RPG's are extremely long, and honestly, there's but so many of them you can really play/beat/enjoy in a year. PS3 will get the best RPG's on any platform imo. It's a Japanese console, X360 sucks in Japan, and Wii won't be able to handle certain dev ambitions. Hopefully we'll get Level 5's game this year though;)

[Segitz]

Maybe he just says, MS bought him, hence he never can make PS3 games^^

[KnightRiderX]

Wow Sakaguchi really seems butthurt for whatever reason. Then again I guess being booted from the best company for rpg's must hurt too. Have fun selling 200k copies of your games in japan at most while square continues to sell millions of whatever they make.

well we don't really know if its JRPG or Western RPG. Maybe he's trying to be for NA what SE is for Japan.

[Diresu]

well we don't really know if its JRPG or Western RPG. Maybe he's trying to be for NA what SE is for Japan.

I don't see him being much of either to be honest.

[LiquidEagle]

microsoft wanted to include a motion controller with three, but bungie shot it down- HAHAHAHAHAH.

:lol: as funny as it sounds, keep in mind that that's a rumor...

I'd be interested to see what Sakaguchi has to say to an extent, but like I said before: The Final Fantasy series has gotten along just fine without him. Why would he never want to develop for PS3, though? Being on MS's payroll certainly comes to mind, but meh, I guess I'll have to wait to check it out.

Did they not review any PS2/PSP games? :laugh:

And what's Dragon Age?

[VG Aficionado]

Lair is the only "dragonage" I need :-p

By the way, Dragon's Lair will be remastered and re-released on Blu-ray. It's almost as if PS3 was the de facto Dragon-related platform :cowboy:

[curryking1]

^That comment deserves rep for it's styling! :D

[LiquidEagle]

^^ Side note Curry, you're almost at 3,000 posts :-D

[curryking1]

Cool! I didn't notice lol! Thx for pointing it out :D

[Applefiend]

If it's his side of the Spirits Within debacle when Sony came and bailed out Square I'd be very interested in reading that.

Also I'd like to know the exact relationship between Microsoft and Mistwalker, I guess the seed money came with an agreement for "No PS3 titles ever".

I hve respect for the mans work and I'm looking forward to Blue Dragon very much, but you can't help feeling this is a bad business deal for Mistwalker.

[Jay Gee]

Sakaguchi is just bitter because of his forced departure from Square after FF: TSW box office failure ($125 million loss), and he's on Microsoft's payroll too now (and so is EGM). Just let him develop exclusive JRPGs that won't be as profitable as SE ones, if at all.
LOL Oh, well. I guess I should apologize to everybody I called butthurt for being upset at Capcom. Now this little bitch is boycotting Sony consumers. Ironic, eh?

[EvilTaru]

Wow Sakaguchi really seems butthurt for whatever reason. Then again I guess being booted from the best company for rpg's must hurt too. Have fun selling 200k copies of your games in japan at most while square continues to sell millions of whatever they make.

The biggest mistake Sakaguchi made was starting the CG movie studio in Hawaii, that costs them a TON of money which they were never able to recoup, and almost bankrupted Square, both him and Jun Iwasaki got forced out (Iwasaki got pushed to CEO of Square USA which is essentially a deadbeat job that had zero power, since Square USA doesn't do shit), Iwasaki's studio on the other hand has gotten a few hand-me-downs in terms of Sony Japan-funded RPGs in Japan to publish in NA. Aside from the moneyhat from MS, I don't really get Sakaguchi's Sony-hate, maybe I guess in business today's friends can be tomorrow's enemies.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

[Diresu]

The biggest mistake Sakaguchi made was starting the CG movie studio in Hawaii, that costs them a TON of money which they were never able to recoup, and almost bankrupted Square, both him and Jun Iwasaki got forced out (Iwasaki got pushed to CEO of Square USA which is essentially a deadbeat job that had zero power, since Square USA doesn't do shit), Iwasaki's studio on the other hand has gotten a few hand-me-downs in terms of Sony Japan-funded RPGs in Japan to publish in NA. Aside from the moneyhat from MS, I don't really get Sakaguchi's Sony-hate, maybe I guess in business today's friends can be tomorrow's enemies.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

I think his hate is ms fueled. He has to spread crap about the ps3 to keep his wallet full. I am sure MS doesn't want to see blue dragon or lo on the ps3 anyway because it would do nothing to help their position in japan. Let him talk though...I am sure Sony isn't losing sleep over it.

[curryking1]

I find it so distasteful that he would say such things about his former employer... especially one he found basically his life's work in, and most of his success. That's just sad, and lame, and I really can't believe he would say those things no matter who he now works for. I see him as an entirely different character now, and I don't like this new face of his.

I am deeply disappointed in Sakaguchi. I see him totally different now.

[mario25]

peoples values change............

plus microsoft pays for their games......I really hope they pay for multi million dollar CG movie about blue dragon.....

[koten]

Rumors are just rumors, so I'm not going to even taking any of this into consideration.

[Diresu]

I find it so distasteful that he would say such things about his former employer... especially one he found basically his life's work in, and most of his success. That's just sad, and lame, and I really can't believe he would say those things no matter who he now works for. I see him as an entirely different character now, and I don't like this new face of his.

I am deeply disappointed in Sakaguchi. I see him totally different now.

I agree with you completely. Showing class I guess isn't his strongpoint.

[Marjoh]

Didn't MS helped Mistwalker financially? If so, that's why Hironobu Sakaguchi seems like a hater.

.aZnF

[Diresu]

Didn't MS helped Mistwalker financially? If so, that's why Hironobu Sakaguchi seems like a hater.

.aZnF

Eh..doesn't mean that you have to be a douche. David Jaffe works for sony but is very level headed when it comes to talking about the other platforms and such. I think Sakaguchi is just hurt over being booted out of SE so he doesn't want anything to do with their main platform...

[pari]

Sakaguchi's Interview with Gamespot.com

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167571.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot


HS: [in English] Ah, Kutaragi-san's architecture...seven DSPs and a low-powered CPU. I don't like the PS3's architecture.

He did not have anything good to say about PS3. I dunno why but all the MS developers seems talk bad about other consoles, but PS3 developers seem to be more open minded.

The Seven DSPs and a low-powered CPU is kicking butts at Folding, wondering how his favorite three low-powered CPU would do at Folding. Heterogeneous cores are becoming popular, AMD Fusion architecture is heterogeneous.

For me Sakaguchi seems to fit the case of person whose time has passed by and they are trying to hang on to their past glory.

[Diresu]

Sakaguchi's Interview with Gamespot.com

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167571.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot



He did not have anything good to say about PS3. I dunno why but all the MS developers seems talk bad about other consoles, but PS3 developers seem to be more open minded.

The Seven DSPs and a low-powered CPU is kicking butts at Folding, wondering how his favorite three low-powered CPU would do at Folding. Heterogeneous cores are becoming popular, AMD Fusion architecture is heterogeneous.

For me Sakaguchi seems to fit the case of person whose time has passed by and they are trying to hang on to their past glory.

Funny, i thought the same exact thing.

[Applefiend]

Heh. Obviously the 7 DSP thing is stupid, that would make the 360 CPU "3 low powered CPUs crammed on a chip with too little cache with fancy floating point units", and Wii an "overclocked Gamecube with a wiggle stick".

When really it's "God man what did you expect for your 250-499 dollars, a quad core AMD 64?".

It's sad to see him talk like a PR lackey. As has been said the likes of Kojima, Miyamoto and Jaffe come across much better. Nolan Bushell and Sakaguchi come off really badly.

[LiquidEagle]

This is a moment when we need The Boss to come in and tell us about how peoples' values change over time, and alliances change with the times :laugh:

Apple: What did Nolan Bushnell say?

[Diresu]

Yep. But at the same time those good pr people speak with actions and their games. It just sucks to see someone that was so respected for his work become a pr machine for MS so easily.

[Applefiend]

Apple: What did Nolan Bushnell say?

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=64533&highlight=Nolan+Bushnell

He also describes Ralph Baer as "annoying" and "just good at filing patents" and "nobody liked his stuff".

[Diresu]

You ever think that square bent him over a table and had their way with him ?

Some times when people are screwed over they work their asses off and get bakc up there and then tell people the problems .

Besides wasn't there just recently bad mouthing going on within sony itself ? It doesn't seem very rare to me

Is it wrong that the first thing that popped into my mind when i read that was the scene from pulp fiction...

[Red_Eyes]

I am pretty sure Hironobu didn't say it in such negative light, and EGM just kind twisted to make it really negative. Afterall, it's a trend to diss the PS3 right now. Hironobu probably said something along the line of him not wanting to do a PS3 game right now, but EGM just had to turn it into FUD.

[Diresu]

Its not just this though...he has said other things up until now that make this seem very likely.

[LiquidEagle]

That's a good point, Red Eyes :)

[Max@GC]

As soon as my new Extreme Grocery Market thing is in my mailbox I´ll provide sum tasty Plates...:D

[-gin-]

The next Tom Clancy game is going to be called FireHawk...

Remember this list? :

* Tom Clancy’s Firehawk (PS3, Xbox 360, PC) - March 2007
* Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six 5 (PS3, Xbox 360, Rev, PC, PSP) - November 2006
* Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon 4 (PS3, Xbox 360, PC, Xbox, PS2) - March 2007
* Assassin (PS3, Xbox 360, Rev, PC, PSP) - March 2007
* Game 5 (PS3, Xbox 360, PC) - Spring 2007
* Alive (PS3, Xbox 360, PC) - Spring 2007
* Naruto (Xbox 360)
* Rayman 4 (PS3, Xbox 360, Rev, PC, PS2, handheld) - November 2006
* Dark Messiah of Might & Magic (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
* Brothers in Arms 3 (PS3, Xbox 360, PC, Nintendo Revolution, DS ) - February 2007
* Ninja Turtles (PS3, Xbox 360, Nintendo Revolution, PC, handheld) - Spring 2007
* Highway Battles (Xbox 360)
* Enchant Arms (Xbox 360) - July 2006
* Blazing Angel 1.5 (PS3, Xbox 360, Xbox) - November 2006
* Ghost Recon 3 Mission Pack (PS3, Xbox 360, PC, and PSP)

[mario25]

Sakaguchi's Interview with Gamespot.com

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167571.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot



He did not have anything good to say about PS3. I dunno why but all the MS developers seems talk bad about other consoles, but PS3 developers seem to be more open minded.

The Seven DSPs and a low-powered CPU is kicking butts at Folding, wondering how his favorite three low-powered CPU would do at Folding. Heterogeneous cores are becoming popular, AMD Fusion architecture is heterogeneous.

For me Sakaguchi seems to fit the case of person whose time has passed by and they are trying to hang on to their past glory.

You know what's interesting, the 360 has 3 "low powered" cpu's" just like the one in the ps3....how come nobody brings that up

[-gin-]

"For me Sakaguchi seems to fit the case of person whose time has passed by and they are trying to hang on to their past glory."

You probably won't be saying that when Lost Odyssey comes out

[mario25]

I think xbox fans are the only ones interested in lost odyssey, maybe because they have never played many rpgs before the 360...........

[totobeni]

oh no..not another Tom Clancy ...stop it ..stoooooop

UBi look what you did to Splinter Cell , last game was utter trash , just like graw good but with nothing spectacular , new SC sequel every iifing year with nothing new at all ..stoop

Ghost Recosn and Rainbow 6 both just lost identity , R6 was about strategy and tactics and now shot'n' run wannabe , and GH just lost the road .


seriously stop milking Tom Clancy's name

[Z]

* Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon 4 (PS3, Xbox 360, PC, Xbox, PS2) - March 2007


is that a typo?

and I am excited to see any new IP from Ubi. their realism in their military games is unrivaled. well, aside from MGS.

Go Ubi!

[-gin-]

it could be.. i didn't type it, its straight from the leaked document several months ago

[totobeni]

is that a typo?

and I am excited to see any new IP from Ubi. their realism in their military games is unrivaled. well, aside from MGS.

Go Ubi!

maybe...

or..maybe "Advanced Warfighter" consider as Ghost Recon 3 (and Advanced Warfighter as 3.5 ? )

[-gin-]

I think xbox fans are the only ones interested in lost odyssey, maybe because they have never played many rpgs before the 360...........

as for this comment.. thats bullshit, im a huge playstation fan who would love to see this game on ps3.. he may be behind a new development house but he's still the same visionary he was at squaresoft/enix

[OmniCloud]

oh no..not another Tom Clancy ...stop it ..stoooooop

UBi look what you did to Splinter Cell , last game was utter trash , just like graw good but with nothing spectacular , new SC sequel every iifing year with nothing new at all ..stoop

Ghost Recosn and Rainbow 6 both just lost identity , R6 was about strategy and tactics and now shot'n' run wannabe , and GH just lost the road .


seriously stop milking Tom Clancy's nameI thought the last few SC were a bit boring...man

Tks-I thought I was missing something with that series seeing how late it's come to PS3.

Maybe they'll focus only on X360 with SC5 and it'll return to it's former glory. Just not been feeling these guys lately. Last game from Ubisoft I even played was the original Prince of Persia. (Which I can't even play anymore because GoW spoiled me) Assassin's Creed better be that special game, because frankly, UBI has been sucking for the past couple years IMO. At least EA is so damn big that they have teams here and there that focus on specific platforms and some new IP's. I'm waiting to be amazed Ubisoft.

Oh and LO would be a good game to come on PS3, don't get me wrong it doesn't look like something you really miss out on, but it looks pretty good. Now Blue Dragon is something I think we'll miss out. Yeah it's standard RPG fare, but with those types of games, many times the story is why they are so traditional in the first place. Devs put together what they already know how to do and tell a beautiful story-it's what playing a RPG is all about.

Blue-Dragon=Great game...wrong system lol;)

[-gin-]

i was just looking around for what this firehawk game could be and found out that its a helicopter. That'd be in interesting change of pace for ubisoft.. the last helicopter game i played was Comanche and that game kicked ass

[pari]

"For me Sakaguchi seems to fit the case of person whose time has passed by and they are trying to hang on to their past glory."

You probably won't be saying that when Lost Odyssey comes out

To clear it up, I was mentioning it with reference to the changes coming in the processor architecture. I feel, a person of Mr.Sakaguchi stature should not be making such a stupid comment and taking a cheap shot like seven DSP. And a true visionary uses present day technology and also the leading and bleeding edge technology.

I would like to give the example of iPod, which used a mix of present and bleeding edge technology to make a difference in MP3 player market. HDD being slow and not very power efficient, still iPod with HDD made a huge difference.

[Diresu]

as for this comment.. thats bullshit, im a huge playstation fan who would love to see this game on ps3.. he may be behind a new development house but he's still the same visionary he was at squaresoft/enix

Visionary turned asshole it seems. Crap he said about SE made me lose most of my respect for him. LO looks decent but we will see how the final game is.

[Z]

LO has the art design to interest me. but it has a lot to prove. hell of a lot. BD is a joke for me. heck, even RPG die hard land, Japan, didn't buy it.
and when Namora and others at SE are really looking to kick ass with what they are bringing from KH to FF, Mistwalker are still only a name.
they also have yet a third RPG coming along. some girl with a sandman. still, I have to be convinced. I do that to any newly formed studio. that is why you don't see me jump for joy over Seeds. I need results to judge. but that's just me.

[Grovestreet]

I think xbox fans are the only ones interested in lost odyssey, maybe because they have never played many rpgs before the 360...........

We have enough now anyway :p

Lost Odyssey
Eternal Sonata (Trusty Bell)
Fable 2 (2008)
Blue Dragon
Mass Effect (Shooter/RPG)
Culdcept Saga (Tactical Card based-rpg)
Zaria: Far East of Eden
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom (Action rpg)
Infinite Undiscovery (2008)
Cry-On (Action rpg 2008)
Two Worlds

[Z]

We have enough now anyway :p


I wouldn't exactly say now. ;p

[mario25]

as for this comment.. thats bullshit, im a huge playstation fan who would love to see this game on ps3.. he may be behind a new development house but he's still the same visionary he was at squaresoft/enix

I know I know.....I was kidding haha :crazy2:

[LiquidEagle]

Infinite Undiscovery is the Tri-Ace RPG, right?

If so, it better be on PS3 too....

[TheGreenElf]

This is a great thread, but put it in General Gaming next time please, good info that everyone could use. Seems to be more on multi-console than PS3, after all.

[dnpmakkah]

I want Ubisoft to make that game Killing Day and give it exclusive to PS3 dangit....or at least build it ground up for the PS3. I wonder why they stopped development for it. The game looked like tons of potential.

[D3adcell]

Wow you guys are easily offended I take it. Already losing respect for sakaguchi? We do not even know what he said in the EGM interview.

Gabe Newell said the PS3 and 360 both sucked because they werent making things easier for developers. But I know you guys love Half Life 2.

[VG Aficionado]

I want Ubisoft to make that game Killing Day and give it exclusive to PS3 dangit....or at least build it ground up for the PS3. I wonder why they stopped development for it. The game looked like tons of potential.Ubisoft is only likely to make exclusive games for Wii simply because Wii games would be pointless to be ported to other systems without the controls and a major graphical overhaul.

Wow you guys are easily offended I take it. Already losing respect for sakaguchi? We do not even know what he said in the EGM interview.There's a recent interview with him where he sounded really bitter towards PS3 and Kutaragi for no good reason (it's not exactly as if his games were less succesful on the PS1 and PS2 than on the 360, you know), and I'm sure it's no different or even worse than that.

[rpgamer_2k5]

When really it's "God man what did you expect for your 250-499 dollars, a quad core AMD 64?". Cell is beyond all current multi-core solutions by AMD and Intel. We're not seeing it much now but the Cell architecture will really shine in the near-future.

It's sad to see him talk like a PR lackey. As has been said the likes of Kojima, Miyamoto and Jaffe come across much better. Nolan Bushell and Sakaguchi come off really badly.

LO has the art design to interest me. but it has a lot to prove. hell of a lot. BD is a joke for me. heck, even RPG die hard land, Japan, didn't buy it. The title felt like a current-gen console with pretty graphics. Real-time exploration and battle engine? Nope. High quality music? Not really. This game would've flown if Dragon Quest VIII, Final Fantasy and what-not already released. Heck even Dragon Quest IX on DS is more of a next-generation RPG!

However Lost Odyssey is a traditional turned-based RPG with next-gen everything. Just watch the video. It really raises the standards in next-gen RPGs. And I wouldn't be demanding Mistwalker to prove their quality especially when the man at helm was leading the development of blockbusters like Final Fantasy VI, VII, VIII, Tactics, etc. :)

There's a recent interview with him where he sounded really bitter towards PS3 and Kutaragi for no good reason (it's not exactly as if his games were less succesful on the PS1 and PS2 than on the 360, you know), and I'm sure it's no different or even worse than that. Third-party clique on the PS3 platform. There are a number who believe that Sony favours certain third-party developers. Sony has starved their first-party RPG line to accommodate third-party developers and may even favour developers like Square-Enix.

Another reason is that HS doesn't feel that his titles could put a dent on Square-Enix. Why? Many high quality RPGs such as the Suikoden series, Shin Megami Tensei, Tales series haven't been able to topple down FF or DQs and these are certainly not light titles. Even outside DQ/FF, you have the strong SaGa series, Valkyrie Profile, Mana, Grandia (excluding III), etc. That may be a competition that HS doesn't want Mistwalker getting into especially when they're not as financially secure as Square-Enix.

It is disappointing that we're not seeing any Mistwalker titles on the PS3 but that just gives me a reason to pick up the Xbox 360. :)

[Segitz]

A bit off topic, but is Shin Megami Tensei, or the second part good? I am a FF fan, mostly for the intriguing story and whatnot (Graphics of summons).


Now back to topic^^

I really love the TC books (nearly read all of the older ones till 2004 or so). I just hope, they up the ante a bit on the next iterations.

SC and R6 (the first games were great) really got bland, because the were mainstreamed so to say.

[Z]

Wow you guys are easily...

again with the generalization? why don't you people talk to those people that made these people mention our people that those guys need to see their guys be called out or singled out either specifically or by limiting it by a curtsy 'some people'? :wave: :whip:

[rpgamer_2k5]

A bit off topic, but is Shin Megami Tensei, or the second part good? I am a FF fan, mostly for the intriguing story and whatnot (Graphics of summons). Yes SMT and SMT II - SN which follow ups with the first are great. It was these titles that put SMT in the top four RPGs in Japan but do note that they're SNES titles that were ported over to the PSX. The English versions are only available on emulation through a patch.

Also you want to try out the originals on the NES then I suggest you to try out Digital Devil Story 1 & 2. Sure the visuals are dated but that doesn't matter when you're dealing with a strong RPG. Besides both are on ROMs. :)

As for graphics of summons - they are fine. Sure they're dated and they use first-person mechanics but it doesn't ruin your experience. Just make sure you don't get petrified and clobbered.

The visuals aren't PS2 but when they were released, the visual quality were slighly over-average. But visuals isn't why SMT shines so it shouldn't really matter. Go grab 'em. :)

[Diresu]

Yes SMT and SMT II - SN which follow ups with the first are great. It was these titles that put SMT in the top four RPGs in Japan but do note that they're SNES titles that were ported over to the PSX. The English versions are only available on emulation through a patch.

Also you want to try out the originals on the NES then I suggest you to try out Digital Devil Story 1 & 2. Sure the visuals are dated but that doesn't matter when you're dealing with a strong RPG. Besides both are on ROMs. :)

As for graphics of summons - they are fine. Sure they're dated and they use first-person mechanics but it doesn't ruin your experience. Just make sure you don't get petrified and clobbered.

The visuals aren't PS2 but when they were released, the visual quality were slighly over-average. But visuals isn't why SMT shines so it shouldn't really matter. Go grab 'em. :)

Speaking of SMT..Dear god nocturne is harder then hell. I can cruise through some bosses and some just hand me my ass on a silver platter...

[rpgamer_2k5]

Speaking of SMT..Dear god nocturne is harder then hell. I can cruise through some bosses and some just hand me my ass on a silver platter... Difficulty levels are no different in their predecessor. :)

The only title that are 'easier' are the DDS on PS2, imo.

[Applefiend]

Cell is beyond all current multi-core solutions by AMD and Intel. We're not seeing it much now but the Cell architecture will really shine in the near-future.

Yeah, but to get at that requires work, amd rethinking the way you work, hence the non stop whining from some quarters.

Or you could just say "I can't be bothered" and end up with F.E.A.R on PS3.

[Segitz]

No prob with SNES graphics here^^ (I love my SNES and Mega Drive emulators on both PS3 and PSP^^). But my Mega Drive is gathering dust.

[Diresu]

Difficulty levels are no different in their predecessor. :)

The only title that are 'easier' are the DDS on PS2, imo.

Nocturne is the first one I played and right now I am just stuck on 1 boss and its
bad times to say the least.

[rpgamer_2k5]

Nocturne is the first one I played and right now I am just stuck on 1 boss and its
bad times to say the least. Ouch but don't worry I had trouble defeating Emerald and Ruby in FFVII. I took down the latter but couldn't get rid of the latter since I loaned the game. XD

It shouldn't be that difficult to get out of your dillemma. ^_^

[Diresu]

Ouch but don't worry I had trouble defeating Emerald and Ruby in FFVII. I took down the latter but couldn't get rid of the latter since I loaned the game. XD

It shouldn't be that difficult to get out of your dillemma. ^_^

I beat both Ruby and Emerald :) I just need to level to beat this guy most likely but I guess im to lazy to do so with other games I am playing right now...mainly God-Hand.

[Z]

it took me about two years to complete FF7. I shit you not. of course, it wasn't constant play.

I reached a boss called Rufos (sp) - a boss with a flying pet- and he beat my like an old dusty carpet. here is the catch, all that time trying to beat him with no contest, my save got deleted on its own. my memory card had a problum. guess it was a Chinese knock off after all. in any case, I started the game again after many months off- this time with two little guide books I got with a local PS2 mag.

you want to know the funny part? you want to know why I couldn't get past that boss? I never upgraded any weapon, put on any new armor or even new about customized elementals.
this was my very first RPG game, and till then, any game I played before would automatically give you the best of what you pick on the spot.
I couldn't believe how much stronger I've gotten when I customized. man, talking about learning the hard way. :)

[curryking1]

Lol... Z being a noob in Final Fantasy hahahah :D