Will FF13, MG4, Killzone2, R&CF, Lair, Tekken 6 and Home help PS3's sales to catch up

[agentorange]

Will FF13, MG4, Killzone2, R&CF, Lair, Tekken 6 and Home help PS3's sales?. Xbox 360 is in the lead while Wii is selling like hot cakes. If you see the numbers it looks like Xbox and Wii have a insurmoundable lead. Do you think this games and the Home online service will help Ps3 to at least cut the lead of this two consoles?

[curryking1]

Let's wait and see.

Insurmountable.

[solidsnakejej]

Well FF13, MGS4 and GT5 will help catch up but I believe they need to cut the price. It really depends on how good the 360 sells in the next year or so. By the start of next year you will see PS3 get a good chunk of 360's lead back but it will be another year or year and a half till the ps3 takes over the lead.

[curryking1]

I think a price cut in, let's say... within a year, I dunno, something like that, is as integral as getting AAA titles out right now and in the future.

[Viper]

It will help, sure, but a price cut next year, continued stream of these quality titles and a whole new marketing direction will be required to surpass.

Holiday 2007 will have all 3 pretty near in sales globally. No more double or triple the sales of one console over another.

[DC_613]

No doubt they will, along with a price drop when they are close to launch......... hopefully.

[agentorange]

Oh let me add GT5. But if you look at the numbers, do the math. the lead of xbox 360 and Wii is too big. Also expect those console will drop there price considerably by holiday. I think the only way Ps3 can catch up at once is have a price that is almost the same as xbox 360 , if not equal the price but at least its affordable. The price really is a pain in the neck. Lest hope for a holiday price drop. Sony should shift to 5th gear NOW!

[solidsnakejej]

Oh let me add GT5. But if you look at the numbers, do the math. the lead of xbox 360 and Wii is too big. Also expect those console will drop there price considerably by holiday. I think the only way Ps3 can catch up at once is have a price that is almost the same as xbox 360 , if not equal the price but at least its affordable. The price really is a pain in the neck. Lest hope for a holiday price drop. Sony should shift to 5th gear NOW!

This generation will go on for 5-6 years this is only the start. We have no idea if the Wii will continue at it's pace for the next 5-6 years. With 360 having a new SKU seems like their not dropping their price. IMO Sony should drop the 600 down to 500 during September with their first party titles. This is a long race you have to see how the ps3 sells this year and how the 360 sells with competition and if Wii can continue with it's strong sells. You won't see a drastic price drop for the ps3 until it's a last resort.

[curryking1]

We seriously don't know if it's too big, yet. When does a lead get too big?

At what exact point in time did the PS2's lead over the other consoles solidify it's lead? One can choose many places and make a case for it. Right out of the gate that the Xbox and GC came out, after 1 million over the DC, 5 million over the DC, when it had a 15 million lead over the GC and Box, when it had a 20 million lead, when it had a 40 million lead, etc etc etc.

But I wouldn't argue against the idea that Sony needs to make some actions now. I'm sure they want to and have been planning to do things, they are always working of course, but now or at least soon would be a very excellent time to act.

I expect some big splashes at E3 courtesy Sony, no less.

[Rip3001]

Either way, I'll be playing some of the best games on the planet. You also forgot White Knight Story, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Folks' Soul, Warhawk, Little Big Planet, Hot Shots Golf 5, Singstar, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, and Poland.

....Sony is teh ***ked.

[Viper]

At what exact point in time did the PS2's lead over the other consoles solidify it's lead?

PS2 had sold 20 million consoles before the GC and Xbox even launched.

By comparison, both the Xbox and GC have just over 22 million sold.

[Pluto]

By the time Final Fantasy XIII and Metal Gear Solid 4 even become palpable I'm sure there are going to be even more games announced that will help push more consoles.

I also think it's a little bit early in the race to be using words like "insurmountable". Even if they're misspelt. :)

[Freeman_JI]

To answer your question
Will FF13, MG4, Killzone2, R&CF, Lair, Tekken 6 and Home help PS3's sales?

1)FF13 Yes
2)MG4 Yes*
3)Killzone2 No
4)Lair No
5)Tekken 6 Maybe*2
6)R&CF Yes
7)Home can't say as of yet

FF13... of course many of the FF fans are the hardcore 70Hrs or its not a real RPG type it will do well and help the PS3

MGS4... this is a big hitter but MGS3 didn't exactly set any sales records should have done better than 3 Million. MGS4 should do well since its the first 'big one' for PS3 just like MGS2, should help the PS3

Killzone... I don't think so the original has no real loyal fanbase to buy into the sequal. A bad first game may have hurt this IP. I'm gonna say no.

Tekken... What we have seen is a decline in fighting games in general, The mega popular (well Japan for sure) VF5 got a icy reception... Fighting games are seen as short lived experiences by the masses. Tekken is a big name so...

Lair... Nice looking game that will be overlooked by many (IMO) will sell the PS3 to the already converted.

R&CF...don't know enough yet, by name alone Yes

Home... don't know enough yet.

[curryking1]

PS2 had sold 20 million consoles before the GC and Xbox even launched.

By comparison, both the Xbox and GC have just over 22 million sold.

Well that doesn't tell us when the point the PS2 sold 20 million it made an 'insurmountable' lead. The coincidence of numbers there is more... coincidence than anything.

Was 20 million the magic number for last gen? I dunno, that's really not saying anything though, only that the PS2 gained so much momentum and made a coincidental situation that left the Xbox and GC in the dust to ironically sell only just over as much as what the PS2 had when both those systems launched.

I could argue it was already over by the time the PS2 sold 5 or 10 million, and argue that the momentum/mindshare it had already gained would leave no opportunity for anyone else to possibly pick up the lead with any time of entry.

The gift of hindsight, and the bidirectionality problems, and third variable problems that come along with it. It's simply impossible to say 100% when the PS2 solidified it's lead.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Sony declared the console war over in 2003. They were pretty much right. But this one won't be so easily won. Or even tied.

[Applefiend]

Better games will always help any console.

(Games*Marketing)/Price = Success

Not sure if Tekken shifts consoles anymore though.

[Diresu]

Better games will always help any console.

(Games*Marketing)/Price = Success

Not sure if Tekken shifts consoles anymore though.

Probablly does along the lines VF5 did...aka...not many.

[Nameless]

Good games = Console sales

[TheGreenElf]

A bit of talk has been surfacing lately that FFXIII will not be PS3 exclusive (in Game Informer there's mention of it), which will hurt. It would also go along with Square saying "We don't want any one console to be the overbearing winner [or something similar] so we will spread our games around more."

As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes, I can tell you that the exclusivity is in discussion.

Games like Lair and Tekken probably won't boost sales too much. I'd say Ratchet and Clank may though. Also, I really doubt MGS4 will be exclusive to PS3 so that won't help. However, the games that are likely to sell the system have yet to be announced.

[Diresu]

A bit of talk has been surfacing lately that FFXIII will not be PS3 exclusive (in Game Informer there's mention of it),

Actually...it says Fabula Nova Crystalis is not exclusive. Big difference.

Also, MGS4 IS exclusive. Kojima confirmed it himself recently saying that the only reason port rumors won't die is because people want it on the 360. Game is built for the ps3 and will not be anywhere else.

[TheGreenElf]

I haven't heard that from Kojima, although I still doubt it will stay exclusive. Either way, I don't care. Simply stating...and what are you talking about Fabula Nova??? I've got the article right here. It's definitely talking about FFXIII.

[curryking1]

Maybe later MGS4 would go to the 360. But that would be either much later, and the 360 would have to have the userbase to incline them to put it there.

And FF XIII exclusivity... ya that's Fabula Nova Crystallis exclusivity, Sony is probably in talks to have all the Fabula Nova Crystallis properties all on Sony hardware.

@GreenElf - Kojima did say that. It was in a recent magazine interview I believe. I'm pretty sure he's said it more than once also. And Kojima says he wants more than Blu Ray storage to put MGS4 on... that seems to mean something...

[agentorange]

A big boost for Sony if, IF Gears of War 2 will also appear on Ps3. And Crysis will be a Ps3 exclusive. Time exclusive will do

[Applefiend]

Well playstation guys aren't really into PC online shooters the way 360 guys are, I'm sure anyone who wants Gears 2 has a 360 anyway. I don't think PS3 will do better by being more like a 360, it'll do better by being more like a Playstation.

[Diresu]

Maybe later MGS4 would go to the 360. But that would be either much later, and the 360 would have to have the userbase to incline them to put it there.

And FF XIII exclusivity... ya that's Fabula Nova Crystallis exclusivity, Sony is probably in talks to have all the Fabula Nova Crystallis properties all on Sony hardware.

@GreenElf - Kojima did say that. It was in a recent magazine interview I believe. I'm pretty sure he's said it more than once also. And Kojima says he wants more than Blu Ray storage to put MGS4 on... that seems to mean something...

Exactly. There has been no mention of SE saying FF13 and VS 13 would go anywhere. FF13 Compilation is a different story.

[Sypher]

You guys, just accept third. Wii has this generation locked up. Nintendo was too smart this gen and outdid Sony.

Look at it this way:

480p is ONE SIXTH the resolution of 1080p. Therefore it should take ONE SIXTH the power of the PS3 to output the same game in 480p.

The PS3 has a 3.2Ghz CPU, and 512MB total RAM.
The Wii has a 1.0GHz CPU, and 88MB total RAM.

1/6 of 3.2GHz is about 533Mhz, which is half the speed of the Wii. 1/6 of 512MB is 85MB, which is less than what the Wii has.

So the Wii has enough memory, and twice the CPU power to properly run a PS3 game in 480p.

[curryking1]

Well that's one way to look at the graphics. It's not totally plop lol. But the info in the textures would be far less noticeable, unless you were focusing on the coherency of the gameplay, because then I would agree with you.

But for a game like Lair, that's not happening anywhere on the Wii or PS2. I'm not saying Lair has good gameplay, but the scale that is part of the gameplay simply couldn't be done before.

[Diresu]

You guys, just accept third. Wii has this generation locked up. Nintendo was too smart this gen and outdid Sony.

Look at it this way:

480p is ONE SIXTH the resolution of 1080p. Therefore it should take ONE SIXTH the power of the PS3 to output the same game in 480p.

The PS3 has a 3.2Ghz CPU, and 512MB total RAM.
The Wii has a 1.0GHz CPU, and 88MB total RAM.

1/6 of 3.2GHz is about 533Mhz, which is half the speed of the Wii. 1/6 of 512MB is 85MB, which is less than what the Wii has.

So the Wii has enough memory, and twice the CPU power to properly run a PS3 game in 480p.

It ain't over till its over. Infact...it won't be over for a long ass time so i wouldn't be so quick to judge.

[gibmonster]

It ain't over till its over. Infact...it won't be over for a long ass time so i wouldn't be so quick to judge.

Damn right.

[Sypher]

Jesus you guys are so uptight. It was a joke.

[Applefiend]

:) Video games are a very serious business.

Besides, surely that's 3.2Mhz and eight times the cores. :)

It's funny people think FF13 might go to 360. If you wanted to make an RPG for a machine other than PS3, would you really choose 360. Or would you make it for... Wii?

FF13 on Wii would sell better than on 360, could look perfectly nice, better than FF12, and would just be the game coming back to it's original home.

Or perhaps DS. If it can do DQ9, why not a version of FF13?

[OmniCloud]

Some rough predictions for this thread...

Wii is awesome, but it's riding the cheap price/pick-up and pay factor too hard. Not saying it's a fad, but I just don't see the Wii having strong sales in 2009 and 2010 when PS3 and X360 are hundreds of dollars cheaper. Great strategy Nintendo, but I honestly believe it's a short-term gain long-term failure, well not failure, just not that great.

We're already seeing some early signs that Cell/Blu-ray makes a difference, the only thing holding back PS3 is simply the price. Once it goes, so does the competition. I think Home will end up really helping PS3 this year as well as MGS4/LBP.

2007 will still be owned by Halo/GTA4 however, afterwards, PS2 all over again....

We'll see if I'm right soon enough;)

One thing that could kill PS3 though, if Sony doesn't drop the price soon enough and big third party games go multi-platform instead of trying to maximize PS3's hardware. That's really the only thing that can hurt Sony with there new system imo...

[VG Aficionado]

I think agentorange won't be happy until we tell him PS3 won't catch up. He made the same thread at PS3forums and he's writing exactly the same replies, which means he's not really reading what we're saying. As usual.

[Applefiend]

Well I have a complete list of all the games, reviews,marketing campaigns and price cuts for all 3 systems until 2012, so I am rather at a advantage. :)

Sales topics are silly. :) Long term sales topics even sillier. Read some on usenet from 1995. :)

[jaxmkii]

Did we realy need another sales thread?!?

[satriales]

To answer your question

1)FF13 Yes
2)MG4 Yes*
3)Killzone2 No
4)Lair No
5)Tekken 6 Maybe*2
6)R&CF Yes
7)Home can't say as of yet

The answer to all of them is yes, every game sells consoles.

Obviously the big games like MGS4 and FF13 will shift alot of PS3's, but games like Lair will also sell PS3's.

[VG Aficionado]

Did we realy need another sales thread?!?Did we really need another agentorange thread when he doesn't care about the replies?

[Azu-san]

You guys, just accept third. Wii has this generation locked up. Nintendo was too smart this gen and outdid Sony.

Look at it this way:

480p is ONE SIXTH the resolution of 1080p. Therefore it should take ONE SIXTH the power of the PS3 to output the same game in 480p.

The PS3 has a 3.2Ghz CPU, and 512MB total RAM.
The Wii has a 1.0GHz CPU, and 88MB total RAM.

1/6 of 3.2GHz is about 533Mhz, which is half the speed of the Wii. 1/6 of 512MB is 85MB, which is less than what the Wii has.

So the Wii has enough memory, and twice the CPU power to properly run a PS3 game in 480p.
Just to note, the memory in Wii is no normal memory. If Wii had as much memory as PS3 (512MB) AND it was as fast as the memory they're using now, Wii would have a big advantage when it comes to memory.

But... otherwise it's kinda dumb comparing numbers, especially when it comes to Cell. It might be "only" 3,2GHz, but if you had a Wii CPU that was 3,2GHz, it couldn't do the same things as Cell. Though, you really can't compare Wii's Broadway CPU to "normal" CPUs either. It was already proved with GC, which was only what? 300+ MHz? Yet, it could compete with the 700+MHz Xbox evenly (see: Resident Evil 4, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II & III). Also, GC used the same kind of super-fast memory as Wii is using now, though of course GC had less of it than Wii now.


EDIT: And yeah, the whole "FFXIII IS GOING MULTIPLATFORM OMZG!!1!1!!!!111!!" stuff is just a misunderstanding. Yes, SOME of the FFXIII games are coming to other consoles than PS3, but the game itself that's called Final Fantasy XIII (WITH NOTHING ELSE ADDED INTO THE NAME) IS NOT coming to any other console than PS3. Final Fantasy VERSUS XIII (another "FFXIII game") is also a PS3 exclusive. Final Fantasy Agito XIII (yet another "FFXIII game") is coming to mobile phones. There are other FFXIII PROJECTS (we don't know if all of them are games), too, of which we know at least FFXIII Haeresis. That might be a movie, Wii game, PSP game, DS game or even Xbox 360 game. No one knows what it is, at the moment. So, in a way, yes, FFXIII is going multiplatform, IF by FFXIII you mean the whole Fabula Nova Crystalis saga. All Fabula Nova Crystalis games so far are called Final Fantasy *Something* XIII or Final Fantasy XIII *something*. So, in a sense, they are all FFXIIIs.

[agentorange]

I admit if all the consoles have the same price I think PS3 will rule but the price really killing them. Before the end of the year i hope Sony's pride will lessen and give way for a price drop. By the way I'm working thats why i cannot reply at once okay

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'm just a little concerned that if 360 or Wii gets a game called FF XIII - Haeresis, and PS3 just gets a game called FF XIII(vs. XIII is coming later) Average Joe will think that 360 has the better version, since it has a subtitle, like with MGS2: Substance and the likes.

I see this as a real danger to the PS3, how about you guys?

[agentorange]

Lets just hope FF13 will not be a multi console game

[Domination]

To answer your question


1)FF13 Yes
2)MG4 Yes*
3)Killzone2 No
4)Lair No
5)Tekken 6 Maybe*2
6)R&CF Yes
7)Home can't say as of yet

FF13... of course many of the FF fans are the hardcore 70Hrs or its not a real RPG type it will do well and help the PS3

MGS4... this is a big hitter but MGS3 didn't exactly set any sales records should have done better than 3 Million. MGS4 should do well since its the first 'big one' for PS3 just like MGS2, should help the PS3

Killzone... I don't think so the original has no real loyal fanbase to buy into the sequal. A bad first game may have hurt this IP. I'm gonna say no.

Tekken... What we have seen is a decline in fighting games in general, The mega popular (well Japan for sure) VF5 got a icy reception... Fighting games are seen as short lived experiences by the masses. Tekken is a big name so...

Lair... Nice looking game that will be overlooked by many (IMO) will sell the PS3 to the already converted.

R&CF...don't know enough yet, by name alone Yes

Home... don't know enough yet.

I kinda agree with you on Killzone as far as adoption goes, but I believe the same also happend with Tomb Raider.

I see where you're coming from on Lair, and frankly, I have no real idea how it'll turn out, but I will say this: Halo was once upon a time in this same position and so was every other triple-A platformer. Yet, they took off after word got out that they were great games. Therefore, I disagree with you.

[Domination]

Well playstation guys aren't really into PC online shooters the way 360 guys are, I'm sure anyone who wants Gears 2 has a 360 anyway. I don't think PS3 will do better by being more like a 360, it'll do better by being more like a Playstation.

I totally agree with this. I find it amusing how people believe that if the PS3 or Sony is to succeed, they must copy Microsoft moves. At 1up when a comparison was made about the prices between the console, it was said that Sony will probably break down and copy the blades from the 360 to make browseing more convenient and organized. http://tpl4life.com/images/smilies/laugh4vq.gif How amusing. This did not happen with the PS2 and it is not happening with the PS3. Infact, this is exactly how Sony leap frog over Microsoft community features with Home. The fact is Sony has their own strategy in place to combat the competition, and those ambitions seem to be much larger. If they spent their time listening to such people and following every move Microsoft is making, they would remain behind.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

there is a lot of assumptions in that, domination. Sony copies A LOT, as well as Microsoft. In fact I am pretty sure all three companies copy eachother one way or another...but to me it seems Nintendo is more independent of the three, and if they do something that seems to be successful, the other 2 find a way to incorporate it in their strategy...which makes sense in a way i guess.

[Domination]

there is a lot of assumptions in that, domination. Sony copies A LOT, as well as Microsoft. In fact I am pretty sure all three companies copy eachother one way or another...but to me it seems Nintendo is more independent of the three, and if they do something that seems to be successful, the other 2 find a way to incorporate it in their strategy...which makes sense in a way i guess.

Can you tell me how without mentioning something very similar to what I already said?

[angelcage]

if those games cannot rise ps3's sales,i really don't know which games can....

[Shogun042]

games won't be enough. when you talk to someone, they know there's fantastic games coming for PS3, but the 360 has "good enough" games. PS3 games can be godly but it doesn't change the $599 price tag. that is the only thing holding this console back.

early in the 360's life it had like 1 good game, which was GRAW. PS3 has MotorStorm and Resistance, and no matter how good or bad those games are they don't matter all that much compared to how the price affects a consumer's decision. as of now, 360 is riding on robust online features and a ton of good games. PS3 can't claim either title.

as for MGS4, Kojima said himself that it was exclusive. FFXIII and FF vs. XIII are PS3 exclusives in the whole FFXIII series. some of those games will be on DS, PSP, cell phones, even 360. all those systems are getting spin offs though.

to truly capture the mind of the consumer this fall, games like MGS4, Lair, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, R&C, Killzone 3, Ninja Gaiden, WarHawk, Heavenly Sword, and Resistance and MotorStorm with a ton of DLC are needed to make them think, wow this system has a ton of good games, Killzone is just like Halo. and to seal the deal, Sony really needs to bite the bullet/eat shit and put the price at $479 or something sub-$500. there's a mindset a consumer gets when an item such as a game system is $500.

if the price was $479 the 60GB could be seen by the public in direct competition with the Xbox 360 elite. the spike in sales especially in holiday season would go a long ways to making the PlayStation division profitable in the long run, because the only way that's going to happen is to get a bigger userbase.

marketing is important though. no one is going to buy the system based on games they've never seen advertised. Sony's marketing has to go all out, and market games, like for example Lair, like GoW2 was marketed - not with a big white room.

an aggressive strategy such as that maybe won't win it the console war but it could come out to an extremely close race, like a tie or with no clear winner.

[VonGak]

Will FF13, MG4, Killzone2, R&CF, Lair, Tekken 6 and Home help PS3's sales?. Xbox 360 is in the lead while Wii is selling like hot cakes. If you see the numbers it looks like Xbox and Wii have a insurmountable lead. Do you think this games and the Home online service will help Ps3 to at least cut the lead of this two consoles?

360 is in the lead due to a head start and not amazing sales where the original xBox actually had better sales up till this point of its life time which says quite a lot considering the 360 this time around had no competition.

And though the 360 is outselling PS3 at quite a big margin in North America the two consoles are selling about 1:1 on world basis.

PS3 has tons of big upcoming titles with very broad appeal. We aren't all Americans and we do not all prefer First Person Space Marine Shooters.

Playstation's success was because it catered to people in general and not just the gaming geeks. 1UP, IGN, Gamespot,... game reporters try to report all game genres but in the end they're all a product of "playing Doom and Quake in ones parent's basement" and never saw the fun in GT but just rated it after sales (not even half of the GT fans cared for Doom while you can bet on 90% of the Forza owners also got and played Halo 1 + 2).

My point is that the 360's lead will only become insurmountable if it manages to spread its market and then there's still the question about 360 sales halting PS3 sales (it's not like PS3's lack of sales has boosted 360 sales).

Honestly we should ban this kind of threads because there's too many unknown factors and in the end they'll just end up as console brand X VS console brand Y with fanboyish "I think" claims and FF/MGS/Fable multi platform dreams.

[Sephiroth_VII]

games won't be enough. when you talk to someone, they know there's fantastic games coming for PS3, but the 360 has "good enough" games. PS3 games can be godly but it doesn't change the $599 price tag. that is the only thing holding this console back.

early in the 360's life it had like 1 good game, which was GRAW. PS3 has MotorStorm and Resistance, and no matter how good or bad those games are they don't matter all that much compared to how the price affects a consumer's decision. as of now, 360 is riding on robust online features and a ton of good games. PS3 can't claim either title.

as for MGS4, Kojima said himself that it was exclusive. FFXIII and FF vs. XIII are PS3 exclusives in the whole FFXIII series. some of those games will be on DS, PSP, cell phones, even 360. all those systems are getting spin offs though.

to truly capture the mind of the consumer this fall, games like MGS4, Lair, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, R&C, Killzone 3, Ninja Gaiden, WarHawk, Heavenly Sword, and Resistance and MotorStorm with a ton of DLC are needed to make them think, wow this system has a ton of good games, Killzone is just like Halo. and to seal the deal, Sony really needs to bite the bullet/eat shit and put the price at $479 or something sub-$500. there's a mindset a consumer gets when an item such as a game system is $500.

if the price was $479 the 60GB could be seen by the public in direct competition with the Xbox 360 elite. the spike in sales especially in holiday season would go a long ways to making the PlayStation division profitable in the long run, because the only way that's going to happen is to get a bigger userbase.

marketing is important though. no one is going to buy the system based on games they've never seen advertised. Sony's marketing has to go all out, and market games, like for example Lair, like GoW2 was marketed - not with a big white room.

an aggressive strategy such as that maybe won't win it the console war but it could come out to an extremely close race, like a tie or with no clear winner.

All of my friends are saying the exact same thing. They'd love to have a PS3, they think Lair, MGS4, FF XIII, etc are awesome games and they'd lopve to play them, but there's one problem. The Price. You see, there' this system which is 200 $ cheaper, the games look about the same, and there's this awesome game they've heard about called Gears of War.

Suffice to say, they chose the 360, because they can't see "the 200 $ difference."

[TEEDA]

Lets just hope FF13 will not be a multi console game

Actually they didn't say that FFXIII is multiplateform....
They said that FFXIII Fabula Nova Crystalis, which is the compilation of FFXIII (like the compilation of FFVII :FFVII AC, BC , CC, DC ) could be multiplateform and will use some kind of Spin offs.
Today we know that there are FFXIII and Versus XIII for PS3. And that the all FFXIII series will expand and be used in the next upcoming 10 years to come.
I really hope that Sony will try to lower the price of the PS3 next Fall And maybe they could make some nice PS3 bundles like they did with the PS2.

[lips]

i think if the games deliver, the market will be more accepting.

[Shogun042]

it's bundles or drastically reduce the price, because that's the only thing that accounts for sluggish sales. i know plenty who would go out and buy the system if the price went down a significant amount.

[OmniCloud]

360 is in the lead due to a head start and not amazing sales where the original xBox actually had better sales up till this point of its life time which says quite a lot considering the 360 this time around had no competition.

And though the 360 is outselling PS3 at quite a big margin in North America the two consoles are selling about 1:1 on world basis.

PS3 has tons of big upcoming titles with very broad appeal. We aren't all Americans and we do not all prefer First Person Space Marine Shooters.

Playstation's success was because it catered to people in general and not just the gaming geeks. 1UP, IGN, Gamespot,... game reporters try to report all game genres but in the end they're all a product of "playing Doom and Quake in ones parent's basement" and never saw the fun in GT but just rated it after sales (not even half of the GT fans cared for Doom while you can bet on 90% of the Forza owners also got and played Halo 1 + 2).

My point is that the 360's lead will only become insurmountable if it manages to spread its market and then there's still the question about 360 sales halting PS3 sales (it's not like PS3's lack of sales has boosted 360 sales).

Honestly we should ban this kind of threads because there's too many unknown factors and in the end they'll just end up as console brand X VS console brand Y with fanboyish "I think" claims and FF/MGS/Fable multi platform dreams.lol...Good post man...

To early to predict, but rest assured I will once again become a loser gamer trapped inside my hourse this Fall, that should say something about Ps3's lineup eh?

[yoshaw]

All PS3 needs is a game from David Jaffe and another one from Fumito Ueda.

And I say after that,

Let the shit hit the fans people cuz PS3 is gonna sell off the charts then. Mark my words! And sue me if I'm wrong.

[totobeni]

this is pure gambling ...but here my 2 cents..

FF13 yeah
MGS4 = NO
R&CF = just in EU
L.A.I.R = not a chance in hell
Tekken 6 = no ..fighting games is dead
Killzone 2 = yeah ..if there is Gears wannbe advertising campaign
Home = yes if there is good stuff and naked woman to video chat with there ..(<---- J/K)

[Rip3001]

Sony just needs two games out to gain support. A new Gran Turismo and a new SOCOM.

Nothing wrong with new IPs, but I think it hurts not having the big name franchises right off (or close to) the bat.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

The only games i see that can actually make a difference that we know of right now is FF13, MGS4, and Gran Turismo. Home may help it succeed if it catches on with people.

[curryking1]

My point is that the 360's lead will only become insurmountable if it manages to spread its market and then there's still the question about 360 sales halting PS3 sales (it's not like PS3's lack of sales has boosted 360 sales).

Good point. Xbox still has to show that it can go full on mainstream and spread the market. But like Seph said, Sony has to make sure that not too many people interested in the PS3 prospects aren't jumping ship because it's just too expensive.

A single 500 dollar SKU would've been much better for Sony at the start out in my eyes. That would reduce the idea of the cost difference so much.

The only games i see that can actually make a difference that we know of right now is FF13, MGS4, and Gran Turismo. Home may help it succeed if it catches on with people.

Those are three of my four 'must have games.' The last one being GTA IV.

And I think a lot of importance must be stressed on Gran Turismo 5. GT is huge. This game sold soooo many copies it's ridiculous. The sooner this game comes out, the sooner the PS3 will sail smoother waters.

[Azu-san]

I'm just a little concerned that if 360 or Wii gets a game called FF XIII - Haeresis, and PS3 just gets a game called FF XIII(vs. XIII is coming later) Average Joe will think that 360 has the better version, since it has a subtitle, like with MGS2: Substance and the likes.

I see this as a real danger to the PS3, how about you guys?
Well... 1) Not in Japan, at least. People know that Final Fantasy XIII is Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII is MORE of a spin-off, even if in the end it turns out to be a better game (since Nomura is directing, Advent Children team is doing the graphics & Kingdom Hearts team will be handling everything else, oh, and Yoko Shimomura is composing the music!)

2) In the end, the FFXIII games might not be named "FFXIII Haerensis" etc. Those are just project names/working titles and the actual games might just be named somehow else. Maybe they'll be "Fabula Nova Crystalis: Final Fantasy Agito" and the like without the "XIII" part and with an added "Fabula Nova Crystalis" to make it clear they are a part of the same compilation. So it's not like the naming will definitely have any kind of impact. Besides, when have the names of games made other games sell better than others (okay, I understand Final Fantasy name makes games sell more than some unknown RPG franchise, but I'm more talking about Beyond Good & Evil selling worse than Rayman because of their names)? It's just pointless to worry about something like that.

3) The most important thing: FFXIII will quite likely be the first title to be released from the Fabula Nova Crystalis compilation. It's furthest down under development (FFVsXIII's development began properly maybe in December 2006 or sometimes near it when they finally got the White Engine V2 ready and the development of FF Agito XIII hasn't even begun yet, or it HADN'T begun a month or two ago, according to news). Since it's the first, Square Enix will make it clear that it's "THE" next-gen Final Fantasy "sequel" everybody's been waiting for. Once the time for other releases comes, those will be marketed accordingly ("The myth of the Crystals is not over yet!" or something else clichéd :p ).

So... Yeah, I can't see this being a problem. Only some HC Xbox 360 fanboys might not get a PS3 because they are getting a "FFXIII of their own" (even if it is a smaller, more spin-off-like Final Fantasy). Still, I don't think too many of those would've bought a PS3 even if Xbox 360 didn't end up getting even one of the FNC games. They can just use it as an excuse ("IF this FFXIII Haerensis/whatever hadn't been released for Xbox 360, I would've had to buy PS3 for FFXIII")

FF13 yeah
MGS4 = NO
R&CF = just in EU
L.A.I.R = not a chance in hell
Tekken 6 = no ..fighting games is dead
Killzone 2 = yeah ..if there is Gears wannbe advertising campaign
Home = yes if there is good stuff and naked woman to video chat with there ..(<---- J/K)

MGS4? Why not? It's a better selling franchise than Ratchet & Clank, AFAIK, so it should definitely have an impact to sales. And Tekken is probably the best selling 3d fighting game series at the moment (million sellers every one of them)... So how, exactly, are fighting games dead? Virtua Fighter's sales prove nothing, it has never sold as well as Tekkens, and not that many are ready to pay 600$ to get a fighting game. If PS3 was cheaper, then I think VF5 could've sold better as it did now. When Tekken 6 will be released, then I'm sure PS3 will be cheaper and PS3 might seem more tempting to a fighting game fan/Tekken fan.

I think the list goes more like this:

FFXIII = a no-brainer, OF COURSE it will sell consoles, and possibly even millions of them. A PS3 bundled with FFXIII with a proper marketing campaign (just show some of those crazy-ass battles and anyone who is even remotely interested in Final Fantasies will buy it) and a price tag of 399$ (it's possible that Sony could sell PS3s for that price when FFXIII is released).

Metal Gear Solid 4 = will sell consoles worldwide, a little less in Japan, maybe, but it will sell consoles nonetheless

Rathect & Clank Future = might sell consoles. R&Cs are popular with the kids as well as the more grown up gamers. Grown up fans will definitely buy a PS3 + R&C, but can the little kids afford one or will the parents rather buy a Wii & Super Mario Galaxy for a lot less.

LAIR = It certainly has the potential. It's LOTR-style & scale graphics could draw fans of the LOTR movies to buy this, as well as those that like dragons. Never has there been a dragon game as impressive as this, hell, there's not that many non-dragon games that look as good this.

Tekken 6 = If they don't screw it up, then yeah, it could sell consoles. Tekkens are some of the most popular games amongst the casual gamers and even amongst GIRLS (for some odd reason, girls like to beat people up in Tekken...). The biggest fighting game franchise at the moment that will surely sell consoles, IF it stays exclusive.

Killzone = Someone said this franchise doesn't have a loyal fan base... Oh how wrong you are. Maybe, at the moment, it's not nearly as big as Halo's, but Killzone DOES have a not-big-but-not-small-either & loyal fanbase that REALLY liked Killzone, no matter what Halo-maniacs & the press said. If Killzone manages to be even close to the E3 trailer (not on par, but close) and fix the biggest problems of the PS2 version, this could be a killer app. Could sell even more than Gears of War.

Home = I'm not too sure if this will help sell PS3s YET. Yes, as an idea it's GREAT. But do people want to pay 600$, or however much PS3 then costs, to get to enjoy from these features? I'm not so sure. If PS3 was 300-400, then I'd say it's quite sure, but as it's not, then I really aren't sure about it. Has potential.

[curryking1]

About the subtitles, I dunno either Seph. People who buy FF know what FF is. Average joes just don't buy FF unless they know FF.

[LiquidEagle]

MGS4 will be the finest game ever made, and if it doesn't boost PS3 sales then the world has officially become completely fucking retarded and doesn't deserve such a game. I would buy a car if it was the only way to play MGS4. :realmad


I'm not sure about those other games though... :-p

[curryking1]

Liquid, you make awesome posts, I just have to say it hahahaha.

Personally I don't know how much individual games really even move hardware anymore.

My support for my theory is.... well I don't really have any. My trend identifier is what I hear from other students randomly talk about. If I hear X console much more than Y, to me, that means the momentum is shifting one way.

I don't really hear anyone talk about an individual game, it's just not cool to know and say 'FF XIII will move PS3 sales' in public. What I do hear is that 'Yo PS3 man, get that ***t." or "Halo is fawking awesome, I'm getting a 360 for it when it comes out."

The second quote is odd though, because that's based on one individual game, and I hear it the most for the 360 because to talk about the 360 in public, the only cool game to say is really Halo. If you say Fable, it's too nerdy. If you say PGR, too nerdy. Halo is the 'wankster' thing to say. Halo is the only game I think that goes against my rule because of it's style of appeal to people that look for the Xbox for their gaming needs.

I personally don't have faith in individual games to move anything anymore. The only thing I do believe in now is the word on the street to see what happens. Maybe FF XIII or MGS4 will boost sales like crazy one day and generate excitement that these series have in the past with MGS2 and FF XII or something, and I'll shift my views a bit more to the centre, but right now, I'm all about the word on the street.

I really have to hold judgement for E3. If Sony makes a big splash at E3 with all their games and this results in a noticeable increase in hardware sales, then I'll have to modify my view a bit. Right now... I guess because it's early and we haven't seen the real effects of what FF XIII can do or MGS4 can do because they are relatively far from release, it's too hard for me to commit to saying they will have an effect on hardware sales.

[Shogun042]

^ Yep. and it's not so much games that push people to buy the hardware, at least in my school, it's more of online features and price.

[Rockmond]

The funny thing about 360's sales that they only look good when compared to PS3 but when compared to Wii and PS2 it looks like there stuck in the same rut that the first Xbox was in (Only appealing to hardcore gamers).

The sales of PS2 prove that Sony Playstation is still a very hot commodity in the eyes of the public...For the 8992380239833020 time...that $600 price tag is the only thing thats really holding PS3 back...When the price drops sales WILL surge.

[curryking1]

The funny thing about 360's sales that they only look good when compared to PS3 but when compared to Wii and PS2 it looks like there stuck in the same rut that the first Xbox was in (Only appealing to hardcore gamers).

The sales of PS2 prove that Sony Playstation is still a very hot commodity in the eyes of the public...For the 8992380239833020 time...that $600 price tag is the only thing thats really holding PS3 back...When the price drops sales WILL surge.

I am in full agreeance until the 360 shows it can appeal to the wider audience. This will only come apparent with time, because right now it's far too early to say if the 360 will be able to surpass it's predecessor or not.

I personally feel games like Bioshock, Oblivion, Mass Effect, or C&C3 - these are hardcore gamers games. They're big to us, big to us hardcore gamers, but Bioshock... who the hell knows what Elder Scrolls or Bioshock is if you're not a hardcore gamer? People know Command and Conquer, but they know it for Red Alert 2 and Generals on the PC.

Games like Halo, or FF, or Gran Turismo, or Brain Age, these either have extreme mass appeal with high octane action, insane followings from insane past success, or new style that fits the new age of gaming. These are games which move the units. People know Halo on wide scale. People know FF on wide scale. Brain Age is currently a gaming phenom of extraordinary magnitude, as is Nintendogs and many other DS titles. GT has the following the size of countries like Halo or FF.

People know Need for Speed, people know NBA Live, Madden. And what the PS brand has most importantly, at least currently holds the best stake with, is people know what Playstation is and currently, currently, identify it most with videogames for all ages.

The real question is this. Is the PS2 selling because of GoW II and Rogue Galaxy? Or is it selling because it's the PS2? How do you determine this? It's not very easy. I personally feel that the PS2 sales are currently unaffected by any game releases at this point, or if there is an effect, it is very, very minimal.

This is why I think name has more importance this gen than do games, where games may have held more importance last gen or gens before than they do this time. Userbases are at the size where there are so many 'mass consumers' that the console brand and it's name is more important than anything else.

I think name and price are the true deciders of the winners this gen. Will the PS3's name overcome the X360's price? Or will it be the other way around? If the PS3's name simply can't overcome it's own price vs. the 360's price, will the PS3 come down in price to fight that advantage off if it needs to, and timely enough?

[satriales]

I'll say it again - Every game sells consoles!

Even if you have a rubbish game that gets 1/10 in every review, there will be some people interested/stupid enough to buy a console so that they can play it. With big games like MGS4 it doesn't even matter how good the final game is now (it will be great ofcourse) as there are enough fans of the previous titles that will by it no matter how good/bad the reviews are.

You get games like '24' which get slated in reviews but there will be fans of '24' that didn't have a PS2 and bought one just so that they could play '24'. Games like Lair and LBP will already have attracted people just form the videos shown already and there will be people who are already planning to buy a PS3 so that they can play those games.

Obviously not every game is going to sell 200,000 PS3's but every game will sell some consoles.

[curryking1]

I agree that games in collectiveness sell consoles, but I'm skeptical about individual titles right now. More skeptical about their ability to sell consoles actually. My gut feeling is that each AAA game release is less important than it used to be, not that it won't move systems, but less will be moved because of just one game.

[mario25]

Jesus you guys are so uptight. It was a joke.

Thank god you were joking....I know you are a smart guy

[woundingchaney]

I agree that games in collectiveness sell consoles, but I'm skeptical about individual titles right now. More skeptical about their ability to sell consoles actually. My gut feeling is that each AAA game release is less important than it used to be, not that it won't move systems, but less will be moved because of just one game.

Quality title usually are associated with a spike in console sales that is diminishing shortly after launch of the given title. Mass sales typically dont occur on a regular/steady basis until the console hits the pricing "sweet spot".

Although there is no doubt that a good library can dramatically sway a consumers purchase.

[curryking1]

I just think overall, for any point in the lifecycle this gen relative to a respective point in a lifecycle of a console last gen, individual AAA status titles are less (not 'not at all') important now.

I think any spikes just won't be as big this gen than they were last gen when single popular titles came out. I think the title that will least follow my theoretical trend is Halo 3.

[OmniCloud]

The funny thing about 360's sales that they only look good when compared to PS3 but when compared to Wii and PS2 it looks like there stuck in the same rut that the first Xbox was in (Only appealing to hardcore gamers).

The sales of PS2 prove that Sony Playstation is still a very hot commodity in the eyes of the public...For the 8992380239833020 time...that $600 price tag is the only thing thats really holding PS3 back...When the price drops sales WILL surge.I am quoting you now because I once said the same thing, I hope we are both right;)

btw-great post Curry...looking forward to E3 and hearing the "da da da duuumm..." drums roll as Killzone is finally unveiled...Going to be awesome, and nobody is going to touch my level in LBP!!!

[curryking1]

^ Yep. and it's not so much games that push people to buy the hardware, at least in my school, it's more of online features and price.

Definitely, which is also another good point.

Since the consoles are now even further differentiated thru online features and also price, and even non-online features, that justifies the idea that there are forces that are taking away from the emphasis of the games that were once, more so, the main differentiating factors. Online features, other features, and price are now taking some spotlight and room and the advertising board.

There are more differences than those big games, and those differences are taking up room as being justification to purchase any of the three consoles. Last gen we had three consoles that all did essentially the same thing. Now instead of say 3 or 4 degrees of seperation between the most different consoles, now we got like 10 or 12 degrees of seperation, and that's just talking about features.

[Pro A.]

Let's see...

Yes, yes, no, no, no, no, and... no.

The five no's won't hurt, certainly, but they're not going to catapult the PS3 out of the cellar. Sony is reliant on their heavy hitters to bring home the bacon. That having been said, I expect all of them to be quite good (excepting Killzone, which I found to be quite a bore) but the big sellers will be FFXIII, MGS4, and maybe even Madden because that's always been something of a Sony staple.

[GleefulFarewell]

All I Have To Say Is: When FFXIII And MGS4[Or Even A Whole Different MGS Game] Get Announced For The 360[Which They Will] The PS3 Will Have No Chance At All.

[curryking1]

Can you turn the caps off? That's not the easiest thing to read.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

actually, he apparently deliberately capitalizes the beginning of each word.
either way it's dumb, I know but, what ya gonna do.

[curryking1]

Well that's nice he's being so considerate... lol.....

[gibmonster]

Well that's nice he's being so considerate... lol.....

Show the guy respect. He's 15....hence he knows everything.

[Shogun042]

another thing that Sony needs is positive press, something which is a scarcity for them.

[Applefiend]

Reminds me of Amiga programming, captalising each word: BlitBitMapRastPort() and the such like.

See those guys on forums you think are 15? Lot of them are 23. Some of them have kids...

[curryking1]

I dunno, I have a feeling this press is not affecting anything, but that's just me.

I don't know many people I see everyday that play videogames that care about what 1crap or GS say. Or for that matter even know what those sites are.

[jaxmkii]

also one thing that is a force and cannot acurately be counted upon is how many of the 11 million "sold" 360 where purchased because of the estamated 40%+ failure rate for the 360.

[Applefiend]

Yeah, my 360 is on the way out, they pop just out of warranty, which is nice...

Won't be buying a replacement, when it goes, it goes.

[Rockmond]

All I Have To Say Is: When FFXIII And MGS4[Or Even A Whole Different MGS Game] Get Announced For The 360[Which They Will] The PS3 Will Have No Chance At All.

Yes because lord knows that MSG4 and FFXIII will be the end all be all for PS3. :susp:

Its honestly sad how short-sighted some people are... :duh:

Like their will be absolutely no reason to buy PS3 outside of those two titles...ridiculous

[Diresu]

Yes because lord knows that MSG4 and FFXIII will be the end all be all for PS3. :susp:

Its honestly sad how short-sighted some people are... :duh:

Like their will be absolutely no reason to buy PS3 outside of those two titles...ridiculous

Of course not. Didn't you know that games like god of war and stuff only sell like 3 copies...

[curryking1]

I heard they only sell 2 ;)

[LiquidEagle]

also one thing that is a force and cannot acurately be counted upon is how many of the 11 million "sold" 360 where purchased because of the estamated 40%+ failure rate for the 360.

If I didn't seriously think that number was true I'd call you out and ask for your source...

Where'd you get that 40%+ though? :-p

It sounds about right to me though...

[Diresu]

I heard they only sell 2 ;)

One to Jaffe, one to Cory.

[curryking1]

I guess I can't buy one.. they're all sold out :(

[OmniCloud]

One to Jaffe, one to Cory.Ken get's the special limited edition on his special PS3 that already has the cure for cancer!!!!:beer:

[curryking1]

KK not sharing again! That bastard!

[Diresu]

Ken get's the special limited edition on his special PS3 that already has the cure for cancer!!!!:beer:

God of folding 3 : kratos rids olympus of cancer

[Xer0]

You guys are thinking about this with a last gen mindset. If the wii has taught us one thing its that other people want to play games too, not just the gamers. I was reading my recent GI today and they had a preview on Little Big Planet. I really didnt know too much about it so i decided to check it out. Honestly, if marketed right, i think that it could sell a lot. It sounds like a blast and something fresh and new, unlike (insert franchise)24785, which, again, the Wii has proved people love. It will instantly apeal to the people that dont care about all of the FF or MGS (shame on though). Seriously, if marketed right i see this game doing really really well and selling tons of systems.

[curryking1]

^There are certainly different groups that can be advertised to. Us, casual gamers, and non gamers.

I also think the Wii is doing a great job by hitting all three, and hitting all three effectively. I would also agree that LBP marketed correctly could do the same thing. MGS4 and FF are for the other mass section that are already gamers of course, us and the casual (yet gamer) gamers.

[OmniCloud]

You guys are thinking about this with a last gen mindset. If the wii has taught us one thing its that other people want to play games too, not just the gamers. I was reading my recent GI today and they had a preview on Little Big Planet. I really didnt know too much about it so i decided to check it out. Honestly, if marketed right, i think that it could sell a lot. It sounds like a blast and something fresh and new, unlike (insert franchise)24785, which, again, the Wii has proved people love. It will instantly apeal to the people that dont care about all of the FF or MGS (shame on though). Seriously, if marketed right i see this game doing really really well and selling tons of systems.I think many would agree that Home and especially Little Big Planet are possible two huge additions to Ps3's software. However, in order for casuals to even get a chance to try out these titles, the barrier to get a PS3 has to be lowered...There is no casual gamer who's gonna buy a PS3 at the current price.

btw-Little Big Planet is really a 2008 release. It's debuting on the store this year. I think the plan is to get as many user created levels as possible (and to get the best ones) ready for a nice 2008 release...

[Diresu]

I dunno where I read it or heared or whatever..but basically it was talk about the ps3 and the price. Basically they were saying that right now Sony is positioning themselves as the luxury console that basically casuals will buy if they are going with the "its the most expensive, so it must be the best" view. So the price drop won't happen until that source is exhausted however small it might be.

It makes sense from a business point of view but I personally think they should at least run a special promotion for the holiday season if they decide not to drop the price.

[curryking1]

^All in the act of balancing, I agree.

[TheGreenElf]

Well playstation guys aren't really into PC online shooters the way 360 guys are, I'm sure anyone who wants Gears 2 has a 360 anyway. I don't think PS3 will do better by being more like a 360, it'll do better by being more like a Playstation.

That was put beautifully, especially the last sentence. +Rep to you.

[Xer0]

btw-Little Big Planet is really a 2008 release.

Which is why i think itll be a hit, by then there should be a nice price-drop on the system that will get more people in on it (hell, me included). I seriously have high hopes for this game cause it seems really cool. On the other hand, I dont think Home will be that huge. Sure theres a lot of customization but all it is is a virtual representation of your life already. If i wanted to play myself, i wouldnt play videogames.

[curryking1]

LBP really, for greater effect, I think it needs to hit inbetween when Home launches and December holidays.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Show the guy respect. He's 15....hence he knows everything.

Hey, does that mean I know everything, too!? :cloud9:

[curryking1]

(Pssst.. it means you're stupid Seph....)

j/k lol! ;)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Nooooo! :cry2:

-rep

J/K ;)

[/off-topic]

How come 15-year-olds have such a bad reputation? I've been posting here since I was 12, though I used a different name and faked my age. :uhh:

[curryking1]

There aren't many 15 year olds on the internet that are like you Seph, let's put it that way. I think I joined here when I was 16. But now I'm 42, what do you know! :D

The image is too destroyed by all the insane, insecure 15 year olds who become vocal, imbecilic assholes when they realise they are behind a computer screen/TV screen and on the internet.

Seriously, imagine your classmates. Now imagine the insecure ones. Now imagine what some of those insecure ones would do if they found out they could be as demeaning as they wanted without any repercussions for their actions.

I met one guy at my uni that acts like a big shot on our university network DC++ hub. Not so big and vocal around real people. This is for some insecure people, and these some make up the stereotype that fits for a lot of the crap you hear on forums.

Then what is suprising it that some people say stupid things, but aren't 15, but are much older and you say 'that guy/girl can't be that old....'

Then you realise this is the world we live in. There's lots of stupid people in the world and on the internet. But thank god there's normal people both on the internet, and enough of them in the real world too.

Anyways....

At least we found one 15 y.o. that isn't, that's what counts amirite? XD

[Rockmond]

:) Video games are a very serious business.

Besides, surely that's 3.2Mhz and eight times the cores. :)

It's funny people think FF13 might go to 360. If you wanted to make an RPG for a machine other than PS3, would you really choose 360. Or would you make it for... Wii?

FF13 on Wii would sell better than on 360, could look perfectly nice, better than FF12, and would just be the game coming back to it's original home.

Or perhaps DS. If it can do DQ9, why not a version of FF13?

The funny thing is most Xbots completely SCOFF at the thought of FFXIII appearing on 360.

I think 3rd parties should wait and see how titles like Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon *Snickers* do on 360 before ever considering putting out a RPG for that console.

[Segitz]

Having played WoW for some time, I can give you tons of examples of why 15 year old people have a bad rep! Not all are whiny little b*st*rds though... No generalization here.

[agentorange]

delay on big name game will surely hurt PS3 so I hope they launch those AAA- exclusives on time

[cliffbo]

speculation? surely not

[VG Aficionado]

Seph is the exception to the 15 years old rule that tests it ;)

[Shogun042]

am i an exception to the rule? :cry2:

[OmniCloud]

am i an exception to the rule? :cry2:Depends on if your an annoying horny 15 yr old brat or not:shrug:

[curryking1]

Ah, Shogun is all right ;)

P.S. Do good in school.

[Shogun042]

ah yes, well being of Indian parents i have to do well in school. it's kind of required. of course you should know all about that curryking1 ;)

[curryking1]

Damn straight! XD

[Sephiroth_VII]

Thanks for all your compliments :hugegrin: