National Organization Protesting Obviously Rushed and Terrible quality Shovelware.

[makeitlookreal]

Hello Everyone,

Are any of you tired of lame, rushed, and terrible quality ports that are shoveled out quickly in order to make a quick dollar?

If so, what do you think about starting up the following organization? It is just a random idea that came to mind. However, I think it would be pretty interesting.

The name of the organization would be...

NO PORTS

National
Organization

Protesting
Obviously
Rushed and
Terrible quality
Shovelware

The truth of the matter is there should be NO PORTS. "Ports" of games should not exist. Only GAMES should exist. Each game should be fully optimized for each system and not just rushed out like shovelware. It does not matter if a game was first made for the 360 (as an example). It should still be optimized for the PS3 so that it can take advantage of it's assets and vice versa.

What do all of you think?

For example, I want GTA IV to be fully optimized for the PS3 and for the 360. It should be optimized to take advantage of any hardware the 360 might have and it should ALSO be optimized to utilize the CELL, BLURAY DRIVE, and HARD DISC DRIVE of the PS3.

What do you think of this organization?

National
Organization

Protesting
Obviously
Rushed and
Terrible quality
Shovelware

By the way, I would not want to be the leader of such an organization. This is just an idea I'm throwing out on the table.

[=NukeBlaze=]

There are have been ports since the dawn of time. If I recall, the audio in SNES Mortal Kombat 2 was much superior to the the Genesis, but that was true in many cases.


The reason they make crappy ports, is that the masses justify it. But, mind you some ports are done well, some ports are built in middle-ware already and just jump about, but the real reason is that they know if they make a bunch of crap, people wiLl still pay for it. Look at EA for example.

As far as GTA 4, who knows. Maybe they will craft it for each platform more scrupulously , or they may make a composite target and say in development "What end result can both consoles achieve equally?" and follow through with that approach.

Ports are a by-product of economy. Now that games have a multi million dollar budgets, it is a product of trying to not put one's eggs into a single basket, in the short term. It is a simple as them saying, "We have "X" WonderBoxes, and "Y" GameStations, which means that we have a higher chance that someone will buy our game since we have an "X+Y" pool of potential buyers.

You might argue the above effect would shrink due to a possible loss of quality in the titles from lack of specialization, but that lack might be small enough that the resolution to the common players of games would not be sufficient enough for them to even notice it.

L.J. Whoopingston : "Economy; Sucks don't it?"


Welcome to the Era of "HD gaming", and all the new and increased numbers of gremlins that march with it.

[MaceSin]

I am inclined to join the war against shitty ports. I will shed blood, I will kill, I will die for the cause. Get ready Ubisoft for this will be worse then the lame ports you create.

[koten]

... Don't buy ports.

Problem solved.

[makeitlookreal]

But we need to make our non-buying of ports more vocal!

[Cofey]

Shouldn't this be in general gaming?

Not that I really care, I'm just pointing it out.

[Phoenix]

Ports make it so you can miss out on as few good games as possible without spending 1300 dollars on game systems. Shovelware, however, is evil and should die.

[seahorse]

What do all of you think?



i think it's a good idea, but let's be honest... it's not going to work.

[masteratt]

Ummm, okay so what does NO PORTS do exactly?

Just whine about ports?
I see you listed lots of problems but I don't see what NO PORTS does.

So what will NO PORTS do?

And to be honest, I don't mind ports except for Ubisoft ones where they clearly don't give a shit about PS3 ports and just release a crappy version.

And also GTA4 is not a port, it's multi-platform game.

[woundingchaney]

Some of the best games I have ever played have been ported to many platforms, this entire movement is based on the complaints of few regarding the quality of maybe one or two ports between platforms.

Dont like a game dont buy it, but lets not pretend that porting software/games isnt incredibly important to the success of the video game industry.

If one want to blame for lack of optimization then the blame needs be spread all around. Blame Sony/MS for lack of tools or hardware coding complications, blame publishers for lack of development time and monetary investment, blame whining consumers for making an issue out of a ridiculous subject etc etc etc.......

[cpiasminc]

It would also be nice if people knew what a "port" actually is, or which games actually are "ports." Usually, the things people love to whine about are never actually ports.

[dork]

ports are good for the economy :dur:

[seahorse]

"hi, i'm from the NOPORATQS"

yeah, sure.

[AndyLG]

Another awesome idea from the mind of MILR.

[Bryan]

Oh.

I just don't buy them.

[seahorse]

obviously rushed and terrible quality shovelware is my favourite type of shovelware.

[Boggy700]

If a game is good it doesn't matter that it isn't fully optimised for your system of choice.
Just be happy with the good things you have.

[Crow]

general gaming?

[curryking1]

Yes... just don't buy them.. jeez... Why do you seem to be in the belief that because you don't like them everyone else doesn't? And it's even stupider because who's to say every port made is bad? You're ridiculous, absolutely fucking ridiculous.

How are you going to seperate the good ports and the bad ports?! Are you going to quality control games before they are even done?!? SERIOUSLY! THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK/TYPE!

This is like "Let's stop all food that doesn't taste good." Or, let's stop all 'bad entertainment.' Who the fuck gives anyone the liberty or class to decide what is good and not good for everybody!?!?

Do you not see how stupid this is? Seriously.... If you don't like the food or the game, don't fucking get it. And seriously, just fucking deal with it that some people fucking enjoy things you don't, you're fucking getting on my nerves now, enough is fucking enough.

[TheGreenElf]

Ports are necessary to the game world, believe it or not.

[Boggy700]

You know what, I wish more games were ported, regardless of how "optimised" they wouldn't be.
There are a few games on PS2 that I really want to play, but I haven't been able to play them because I don't have a PS2.
Of course, now, with the PS3 out and the price of old PS2s way down, I can reasonably consider buying one for the handful of games I actually want.
If they had been ported, I'd have already had the opportunity to play them.

[masteratt]

because I don't have a PS2.
Sir of course you appreciate the seriousness of this offence and this is considered an offence on a Federal level so we strongly advise you buy one now before you end up with a sore anus for the rest of your life (that's right, we shove PS2s up there).

Of course, now, with the PS3 out and the price of old PS2s way down, I can reasonably consider buying one for the handful of games I actually want.
Oh never mind ¬_¬

EDIT: Ooops, I honestly thought this was moved to Madhouse so, on-topic: Add to my previous opinion on not 'minding them' it's also important for the business to have ports.

[cpiasminc]

Blanket statements always get you into trouble, folks. All this "ports should never exist" garbage means you think there should never be a handheld or cellphone version of a game that has consoles for its principal SKU, which is something that people on this board really shouldn't be worried over. Those are ports. Games that show up on both 360 and PS3 around the same time are not ports, but clearly that's what you're complaining about. It's so blatantly transparent what it is -- you're the ones laden with doubts and worry that something is going to show up your preferred platform, and don't give me any crap that that's not it. That is exactly it, and it's not questionable. Bad games are bad games; they're not "bad ports." The only reason to be worried about ports is platform-specific. For all that you might think about fanbois spreading "FUD", it's you who have actually fallen victim to it.

You don't make specialized assets per platform or start exercising something differently (at a non-superficial level) just because the power is there. If any of you brainless, idiotic, hebetudinous, obnoxious, inept, and unfathomably torpid swine had so much as worked in the industry for one lousy month, you'd see why first hand.

Specialized content and optimization is money and time down the drain for a public who refuse to pay for it. Capability isn't the problem. You can't make quality and innovation happen by thinking about it, and certainly not by shunning what you think is lack of it. You can only make quality happen by supporting quality, and I mean with your wallets and the wallets of 250 million others.

[Boggy700]

Sir of course you appreciate the seriousness of this offence and this is considered an offence on a Federal level so we strongly advise you buy one now before you end up with a sore anus for the rest of your life (that's right, we shove PS2s up there).
Well if you're going to shove one up my poophole, I don't need to buy one, right?



And to stay on topic, in a somewhat related way.
All exclusive videogames can be considered to be advertisements for their respective consoles.
The consumer does not benefit at all from videogame exclusivity.
I don't see how the game developers benefit much either.

Port more. Entertainment for everybody.

[seahorse]

makeitlookreal is just obsessed with ps3 games having good graphics.

you shouldn't take him seriously.

[Derrick Barra]

There are three realistic solutions to this problem.

1) Buy all the competing systems and play the best version.
2) Don't buy the ported version of a game.
3) Cry on the forums, because the first two options are simply the illusion of success.

cpiasminc
"If any of you brainless, idiotic, hebetudinous, obnoxious, inept, and unfathomably torpid swine had so much as worked in the industry for one lousy month, you'd see why first hand."

Obviously a PS2 has already been shoved up your ass. /jk

But whats the point of making a blanket statement if the first thing you typed was "blanket statements always get you in trouble"?

Boggy700
The consumer does not benefit at all from videogame exclusivity.
I don't see how the game developers benefit much either.

Theoretically they do..
1) Higher quality games for the gamer
2) $$$ losses that the developer has to swallow (for a low-install base system) are recouped by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo throwing money at them.

[cpiasminc]

There are three realistic solutions to this problem.

1) Buy all the competing systems and play the best version.
2) Don't buy the ported version of a game.
3) Cry on the forums, because the first two options are simply the illusion of success.
Hmmm... I get the impression that standardization of sarcasm tags needs to become a new addition to the widely adopted forum posting M.O.

But whats the point of making a blanket statement if the first thing you typed was "blanket statements always get you in trouble"?
It was actually directed at people who think like MILR and have this image that they can solve everything from the consumer end through boycotts and online petitions and screaming on forums. If things were that simple, it would have happened already. I'm sick of this banal bulls**t that every consumer is already on a cross and developers/publishers are wielding the hammers. So it deserved a scream, and I'd do it again unless people prefer that blood be spilt.

1) Higher quality games for the gamer
Not so much. Especially not on the 360/PS3 end of things. I might agree with that if it was a matter of Wii exclusivity or a game that goes across generations (e.g. a game with both Xbox360 and PS2 versions), but not 360 vs. PS3. Especially not when all they can ever complain about is graphics.

2) $$$ losses that the developer has to swallow (for a low-install base system) are recouped by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo throwing money at them.
Why do people believe that nonsense? If money is lost, then projects get scrapped and developers lose marketability and credibility as a viable choice for a project. Platform-exclusive has nothing to do with it, and never will. All this crap about console manufacturers throwing money at developers is a myth -- the financial part of the aid is small (unless of course the console manufacturer is also publishing, which is a different matter); it's mainly about man-hours. You can put that in dollars if you like, but man-hours are more valuable in practice.

[The Dude]

I fully support porting games, long as they are a quality product. I think we should boycot bad games instead.

... Don't buy ports.

Problem solved.

"you must spread some more Reputation around before giving it to koten again" :unsure:

[seahorse]

it’s only the miracle of consumer capitalism that means you’re not lying in your own shit, dying at 43, with rotten teeth.

[Khaos]

Amen, dude. That's my view as well.

[cpiasminc]

I think we should boycot bad games instead.
Since quality is a subjective thing, this ultimately boils down to "buy what you like." And in that respect, things like episodic releases and online demos are a boon because it really makes the whole "try-before-you-buy" thing far more accessible and potentially available before a game is actually out.

Yeah, it opens up the possibility of the consumer being nickel-and-dimed to death (particularly on Live), but better that you be nickel-and-dimed early before making a decision to put down $60 than pay that much money and realize that you didn't like it too late to get more than a few dollars back from the retailers which pocket your money.

[Boggy700]

1) Higher quality games for the gamer
But the difference between a high quality exclusive game, and a port of the same game is negligible.
When has any game ever been good on one system, yet bad on another?
(Barring major alterations such as the inclusion or removal of the Wii's control system.)
The consumer only benefits from exclusivity in superficial ways, which isn't really beneficial at all.

2) $$$ losses that the developer has to swallow (for a low-install base system) are recouped by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo throwing money at them.
Sure the console company may pay for the exclusive rights to a game, but it seems that the game developers could make more money by releasing it on all platforms and taking everybody's money.
And if the console companies do give the developers more money than they would make from everybody, it would surely be detrimental, despite the money they make back from the game sales.


Or I don't know.

[Gaul]

Yes... just don't buy them.. jeez... Why do you seem to be in the belief that because you don't like them everyone else doesn't? And it's even stupider because who's to say every port made is bad? You're ridiculous, absolutely fucking ridiculous.

How are you going to seperate the good ports and the bad ports?! Are you going to quality control games before they are even done?!? SERIOUSLY! THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK/TYPE!

This is like "Let's stop all food that doesn't taste good." Or, let's stop all 'bad entertainment.' Who the fuck gives anyone the liberty or class to decide what is good and not good for everybody!?!?

Do you not see how stupid this is? Seriously.... If you don't like the food or the game, don't fucking get it. And seriously, just fucking deal with it that some people fucking enjoy things you don't, you're fucking getting on my nerves now, enough is fucking enough.

The moral of this story is, of course, Don't eat at Quiznos, because their food sucks ass and they are just a shitty Subway port.

[cpiasminc]

And if the console companies do give the developers more money than they would make from everybody, it would surely be detrimental, despite the money they make back from the game sales.
Generally, unless the console manufacturer is also the publisher, they're not going to see much of this money come back, which is why the offer is usually not money. It's tools, devkits, "special" access, and the aid of people who are anyway on the manufacturer's payroll.

The only reason why forum rats think there's money being thrown around is because it sounds so much simpler than something that's more realistic.