Super Smash Bros. Brawl - Updates & Hype Thread

[Mirai]

To clarify, I just wanted to see exactly what you see as complex.

However, I do disagree with much of that list for you to say it's complex. The only stages on their that I agree are complex are Rainbow Cruise, Big Blue, Brinstar Depths, Icicle Mountain and Pokefloats. The rest are just a variety of platform based stages to me.

And from that, I have to ask, why Delfino Plaza doesn't count as complex when Mute City does?

[Phoenix]

Delfino doesn't have cars rushing through it. It is dynamic, but hardly constantly on the move, and with no traps to our current knowledge.

[Zeep]

I said most of the stages so far were basic, not all of them. I'd consider a "basic" stage to be either one that's just flat, or one that's flat with just a few static platforms. Fourside, for instance, is just a variety of platforms, as you say, but they're arranged completely unlike any other stage.

[Phoenix]

And it has a little motion to it, but I would hardly call it a moving stage.

[Zeep]

Yeah, even though it moves, the motion itself doesn't actually effect the gameplay. The base platform changes depending on where you are, but that's it.

[Mirai]

Yeah, even though it moves, the motion itself doesn't actually effect the gameplay. The base platform changes depending on where you are, but that's it.

Are you talking about Delfino? If so, I'd say that, pending further information, it looks to be more complex than Mute, though that's just my oppinion. Mute would stop and start, but the platform remained just a flat area, whereas Delfino's stops look like they'll be a lot different. In the end, I think it'll be closer to Pokemon Stadium than Mute City, which I always saw as the best complex stage in Melee.

Despite this, I do agree with the general point, it's just our definitions of complex are a bit different. But yes, I do want to see a bit more variety in the stages.

[Hylian-Advocate]

wel.....for starters, people....

HEs not going to show off the big guns in terms of way cool stages on the site.... you have to have some surprises for when the game actually comes out ....and so that unlocking them is actually a surprise....

remember..most of the complex stages were all the secret unlockable ones... also....my hope is that there are many more courses than there were in melee..... but I would be fine with the same amount...as long as its not less...

part of the reason I liked melee so much was becuase of how fun it was to continually unlcok new stages and characters....

I am actually getting kinda to the point where I no longer want to look at the daily updates becuase it partially ruining some of the surprise facter that I loved so much about melee.

[Ch1cago88]

I personally so far am pleased with the stages I am seeing. The only stage I think is mundane in creativity is Delfino plaza.

Also remember that Smash Bros. has gained a huge competitive competition following. In competition, the two big differences from the regular game and competitive game is (a) They do not use weapons, and (b) The only stages that are used are the basic three platform stage, and flat stage. This might be a reason why we may see a few more basic stages in Brawl.

[version2.0]

They don't use items! WHAT?

Items are half of the skill in the game! Over at my place, Sbrother and I manipulate the items in ways that most players don't even dream of. Through use of clever short hopping and pressing the Z button in the air, we grab items on the move or catch them even as they are spawning onto a map.

Because of the skill it requires to get items quickly we set all items on, usually at the medium setting. One of my favorite items in the fan, mostly because it can't be reflected (not even by fox) and makes great for throwing, jumping, catching in the air, and throwing again.

Lately we have even been learning to catch by air dodge, so as to make hot-potatoeing Bobombs less risky. We also have been learning to reflect projectiles and attacks with our shields, which is hard....

Oh, and I know alot of people turn off the hammer because they think its cheap, but lately we've actually been avoiding picking up the thing. It makes you to vulnerable from beneath, and its really easy to shield grab. Plus, when you get knocked off the edge, you can't jump back. :)

[Zeep]

yeah, people who play smash bros competitively are really retarded some times. i want to smack people sometimes when they ask to turn off items.

[Mirai]

I agree with turning off items in competitive play, personally. It leaves far too much to luck.

Today's update is up. Take a look for yourself, but this is the first piece of news that actually has me a little worried... Though I'll trust in Sakurai's judgement.

[Lynk Former]

One could argue that it also takes skill to manage the usage of items and to defend against them.

[Phoenix]

But it leaves a bit too much to luck though. There's no way to make sure that both sides have equal luck with items.

[Bsack]

I think items are what makes the games. I wouldn't play the game any other way. If people want to cry over items, then don't play against me.

[Phoenix]

Items are great and all, but when you're in a competitive environment where the goal is to see who is the more skilled player, they just can't be there. There's too much luck involved. They're perfectly fine for normal play, of course.

[Blaksmoke]

If I wanted to play a regular fighting game without items....I'd probably kill myself since I hate almost all fighting games. Playing without items is fine if you want to get serious, and it's not quite as bad as say, Mario Kart with just racing, but still.

[Mirai]

Yeah, they're great for fun matches between mates. But when your playing for money, and that money is supposed to be going to the most skilled player, not the luckiest, your gonna feel pretty fucking jipped if your dominating a match until your opponent starts having Stars, Pokeballs, Heart Containers, Mines and Bobombs landing right beside him, while you get a Poison Mushroom.

When my friends and I play, we rarely have items on, even in our fun matches. Smash Bros is fun enough without them.

EDIT: HOLY FUCK IT'S DOCTOR WRIGHT!

[Lynk Former]

LOL @ Dr. Wright XD That's so cool.

[Zeep]

I still wish they'd give us a new character sometime, even one we were already sure would be in the game, but i guess assist trophies are good too.

[SuperLuigiBros]

My internet was screwed for a few days so I have a bit to catch up on:

-Items are cool and shouldn't be turned off. If you wanna have em off for a tournament then so be it, but 99% of the time the game is being played for fun (not skill) and luck doesnt play a huge part in the items. Its just adds another element of strategy because its not just close combat. (throwing things).

-And that guy is cool, I remember seeing him but Ive havnt played his game all too much. Still cool though.

[Hylian-Advocate]

I still wish they'd give us a new character sometime, even one we were already sure would be in the game, but i guess assist trophies are good too.

silly zeep....did you not see the latest update....

its a new character....and one that nobody would have expected either...

Its actually kind of interesting, this new character is....

For one, hes not a Nintendo character.... he from Sim City.... this is the first non Nintendo mascot besides Solid Snake... I can't wait to see who else will show up.... but I do kind of wish that they were more secretive about the characters and levels.... you would think that the special non-nintendo characters would be saved as surprises.

[Lynk Former]

Yeah, but it's an Assist Trophy character, not a playable character... besides he may as well be a Nintendo character since he only appeared in SimCity for the SNES.

[Phoenix]

At first I thought that he was going to be an actual character, but then I thought that couldn't be right, and sure enough it said that he's an Assist Trophy at the bottom.

[P.B.]

they need to quit it with that deception, assist trophy needs to be displayed at the top, i dont want to get to the bottom and realize, oh, i can't play as him

[Zeep]

silly zeep....did you not see the latest update....
Yeah, I did. Did you?

[Dorbin]

Remember guys, the updates are color coded too, so you know what you're getting by the headline bar.

[Mirai]

they need to quit it with that deception, assist trophy needs to be displayed at the top, i dont want to get to the bottom and realize, oh, i can't play as him

It's colour coded. It had the Item symbol up the top of the update. It says Assist Trophy down the bottom. It doesn't say anything about him being a playable character anywhere on the site.

That's not deception. That's them assuming their readers aren't total fucking retards.

[Shadow Voa]

I was just about to say that.. minus the fucking retard part. But that pretty much sums up how you know if its going to be a new character ala Snake, Pitt etc.

[Zeep]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item05/item05_070711a.jpg


Yes! N64 bumper is back!

[SuperLuigiBros]

Yeh! Totally awesome!

The bumper was so cool. I wonder why they even took it out of Melee? Oh well, its great to see it back. Im still hoping for board the platforms.

[Mirai]

Shows they're really listening to the fans on this one. One thing I always hear is people want the Bumper back. Come on Board The Platforms...

[Phoenix]

Yeh! Totally awesome!

The bumper was so cool. I wonder why they even took it out of Melee? Oh well, its great to see it back. Im still hoping for board the platforms.To replace it with the Flipper, which is almost the same. I guess the Bumper was just more popular.

[P.B.]

apparently you have to insult me by calling me a retard because i dont go to the site every day and i happen to check it out that day and see a new character...only to find out it's an assist trophy

[Eidorian]

Bumper > Spinner

[Gilly]

Bumper > Spinner

Agreed.

[Phoenix]

The spinner was fun once it got spinning, but the bumper generally had more "kick" to it, and didn't need any momentum to start.

[Viper]

I was really hoping for a full roster release or at least a new character. They didn't really do much for the game at all.

[Phoenix]

Well, December 3rd, eh? It's currently July 11, so we have 102 weekdays to go. 102 more updates to the site to reveal practically everything. I think we're going to see some information elsewhere between now and then.

[Mirai]

apparently you have to insult me by calling me a retard because i dont go to the site every day and i happen to check it out that day and see a new character...only to find out it's an assist trophy

Perhaps I was harsh. My apologies. However, I still find what you said retarded.

[Lynk Former]

Hey, Donkey Kong looks really good :D

[Phoenix]

Wow, he updates this early? Cool. I should stay down here this late more often. There's a little video up too.

[Zeep]

Normally he doesn't. Normally he wouldn't have updated for another hour and 45 minutes. it's probably just because it's such big news and it's E3 and such.

[Mirai]

Excellent update.

Anyone else spot the Bokoblin (I believe that's what it is) on the Bridge of Eldin?

I'm hoping Australia gets it's hands on it within a month or two of America, December alone is too far off for my liking...

[Teh Roxor!]

That video was amazing. And short.

[SuperLuigiBros]

I'm hoping Australia gets it's hands on it within a month or two of America, December alone is too far off for my liking...
Im afraid. :(

It would be stupid to release it just after christmas, wouldn't it? I really hope (if its not released for chirstmas in Australia) that they don't push it back simply because they think it'll sell better in March/April/May than Jan/Feb.

Bascially, it better be December for us as well or I'll kill everyone.

[Lynk Former]

@ Mr. Swiss: Yes... thank you for that...

@ cube: We MAY get it mid December if they're really going to hurry and they might... I'm not holding my breath though.

[Generosity of God]

donkey kong looks great. again like bowser's scales, DK's fur is amazing.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Fuck Australia.

Who are you?

[Mirai]

Fuck Australia.

Oh Mr. Swiss, how I've missed you.

[Mr. Swiss]

Glad someone gets it.

[Mirai]

They just don't understand a gentleman such as yourself.

[Billet Proof]

Oh My,

[Mirai]

Fuck yeah!

An Animal Crossing stage! The ideas of it changing depending on what time it is is pretty fucking pimp!

[Zeep]

best stage so far. kk slider!

[Skull Kid]

I am most satisfied with today's update.

[SuperLuigiBros]

If you play a match here on Saturday at 8PM...

Oh, I’m too excited to even say it!

That’s right, a live performance. It’s a good time to be alive...
Hahaha, this is awesome. The level looks great.

This is the first time we've seen animal crossing without 64 graphics.

[Mirai]

It's good to see that stages aren't going to necessarily be from the characters games alone. This, coupled with the Mario Kart themed stage, really has be interested in what they could possibly have in store for us.

[Ivory_Soul]

I can't wait for this game! It looks amazing and super fun :D!

[Phoenix]

Haha, that look sweet. Sadly, this is confirming no playable Tom Nook. :(

[OnBake Platinum]

Dudes, look at the icon. http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/world_b_15.gif Meaning there is more Animal crossing themed stuff on the way!!!

[Lynk Former]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/world_b_03.gif
No, they have special icons for every stage.

[Blaksmoke]

K.K. Slider playing a song during a battle is pretty genius.

[Lynk Former]

If it's a random song every time then it'll be even more genius :p

[Mirai]

Haha, that look sweet. Sadly, this is confirming no playable Tom Nook. :(

And I couldn't be happier.

[Phoenix]

C'mon, it'd be awesome. He could beat his opponents to death with debt and also break their knees with an oar.

[Mirai]

As hilarious as that would be, there will always be someone better for the roster than characters like Tom Nook, Shy Guy, Koopa Troopa, etc.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Shy Guy and Koopa Troopa is cool :(

Tom Nook is like just a dog guy. Booooring.

[Blaksmoke]

Tom Nook is raccoon!

[Billet Proof]

Is the dog from Duck Hunt a playable character?

[Phoenix]

Tom Nook is raccoon!Tom Nook is a tanuki, a small dog-like mammal that I believe lives in Japan. The same creature that the Super Mario Bros. 3 Tanooki suit is designed after. Since the Americans and Europeans would have never known what a tanuki is, they made him a raccoon in the translated text. Him being a caricatured anthropomorph, there was no way to tell the difference, so it worked out. That's also where the name "Tom Nook" comes from. It sounds like "tanuki."

[Khaos]

Is it sad that Phoenix beat me to it or that I actually knew that...

Anyway, this game is shaping up mighty well! Anyone know if they'll have playable demos at TGS or etc? I'd like to see some hands-on reviews haha.

[Hylian-Advocate]

I have a question to ask of you people....

For some reason.... I don't think any of the music they have shown is Orchestrated.... or ......is it?....

I thought that all the music was supposed to be.....right......

but why do these sample clips sounds like they were arranged on a computer.....maybe its just me....or they were all played by GOD musicians......... or I had crapy headphones.

If the music isn't Orchestrated I am going to be very bummed...I loved the music in Melee so much and it would be a shame if they didn't create music of the same quality level for Brawl.

[Billet Proof]

If I was Nintendo, I would employ Bach's corpse to compose.

[SuperLuigiBros]

I was wondering that aswell. It sounds the same as Melee to me. Orchestrated music is good on my computer, but while playing I cant really tell. Its good music either way..

[Hylian-Advocate]

^yeah.... I was just re-listening to it...and while it does sound prety darn good.....(actually better than I remembered while I was in italy)..... I stilll cant really tell if its orchestrated or not.....hmmmm....we have any music experts?

for some reason though.... it jsut does't have that human quality to the sounds of the instruments and its throwing me off a bit.

[Lynk Former]

It's all midi orchestrations... I can't believe you all just noticed that now. It was pretty obvious.

[SuperLuigiBros]

The new announcement is up. And what timing, too. "Star Fox: Space Armada" doesn't sound too much like a midi.

[Mirai]

While these are always great pieces of music, it always leaves me wanting more...

[Lynk Former]

@ thecube: Neither does the music in Twilight Princess, but it is midi.

[Generosity of God]

what i find interesting are the names that are associated with each piece of music.

Koji Kondo (Mario series/Zelda series) with Michiko Naruke (Wild Arms series) for "Zelda OoT Medley"

Kazumi Totaka (Yoshi series)with Masafumi Takada (killer 7/God Hand) for "Yoshi's Story ending"

Minako Hamano (Metroid Fusion) with Yusuke Takahama (Digital Pinball series) for "Metroid: Ridley Boss Fight"

Hajime Hirasawa* (Star Fox [SNES]) with Kenji Ito (Romancing Saga series/Culdcept Saga) for "Star Fox: Space Armada"

*note: Hajime Hirasawa was the composer for the original Star Fox on SNES but hasnt had anything to do with Nintendo since (as far as my short research has found). so either Sakurai has recruited Hirasawa for the game or has mixed up names with Hajime Wakai who's had part in the music for the Pikmin and Star Fox series.

it's just interesting to see which musical minds are working together. they get the people experienced with the pieces for composition and the people from the non-nintendo games for the arrangement. it could be the reason why the music so far sounds slightly different.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Maybe they aren't working together. (Ill use the Zelda OoT Medley as an example):

Koji Kondo did the original Zelda songs, but Michiko Naruke took what Kondo did and created this new Medley. Thus, they 'both' worked on it.

But I have no reason to think that, and they wouldn't do that anyway.

[Billet Proof]

MIDI technology has advanced tenfold in the last 5 years what with the introduction of Mass-RSE's available.

[Hylian-Advocate]

While these are always great pieces of music, it always leaves me wanting more...

I didn't JUST NOW notice it...... but I was trying to not believe that they would use midi orchestrated stuff for Brawl....

But....as cube mentioned ...talk about odd timing...... the latest song update I believe is not midi....I mean..... I think, that is.

well..... I take that back... I re listened to it and it technically could be completely midi as well. ......meh...


well....maybe some of them will be and some wont...... becuase I know that "menu 1" is real orchestrated...right:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music01.html

and of course..... the song in the firs trailer that I think will be the title screen or something like that is definitely orchestrated.....has a choir and everything.

[Lynk Former]

Everything we've heard aside from the first trailer is midi. It's not hard to tell what is and what isn't.

[Phoenix]

Well that sounds pretty cool. We haven't heard the whole loop, but it'll be hard to top SSBM's Star Fox music.

[Blaksmoke]

Tom Nook is a tanuki, a small dog-like mammal that I believe lives in Japan. The same creature that the Super Mario Bros. 3 Tanooki suit is designed after. Since the Americans and Europeans would have never known what a tanuki is, they made him a raccoon in the translated text. Him being a caricatured anthropomorph, there was no way to tell the difference, so it worked out. That's also where the name "Tom Nook" comes from. It sounds like "tanuki."

Hah, I didn't know that. Makes sense.

And this new StarFox music clip is...mediocre at best. It's definitely the most unimpressive piece of music I've heard from Brawl so far. I agree that Melee's is much better. Heck, StarFox 64's songs sound better to me than this does. Can't win em all I guess.

[BananaBabeQT]

Everytime I look at this website I just get more and more excited. ^_^

The new music is pretty nice, has the typical Smash Bros sound and the new level Smashville is interesting, although I feel like all the random by-standers in the background are going to be confusing....

[Mirai]

Today's update is... DEOXYS!

And to make sure everybody is clear, it's not a character, he appears compliments of a Poke Ball.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Hyper Beam is cool. But I never played the game with that Pokemon. Im geussing it was the GBA one?

[Phoenix]

Deoxys is a legendary Pokémon from the GBA games that is extremely difficult to get and needs like a mall tournament or something. In my opinion, it's an incredibly lame Pokémon (as are most legendaries past Gold/Silver), but as far as Smash Bros. is concerned, more variety is better than not using uninspired Pokémon.

[Lynk Former]

It'd be nice if Deoxys came out of the pokemon and it randomly chose on of his forms that affected the power and speed of his attack... like if you were lucky enough to encounter his defensive form, his attack would be slower and less powerful, but if you came up against his attack form his Hyper Beam would knock you out of the arena even if you had 0% damage. And his Speed form would attack so fast you wouldn't have time to do anything to get out of the way as soon as he comes out of his Pokeball... but none of that will happen cause they're not gonna put THAT much thought into it lol.

[Mirai]

Deoxys is a legendary Pokémon from the GBA games that is extremely difficult to get and needs like a mall tournament or something. In my opinion, it's an incredibly lame Pokémon (as are most legendaries past Gold/Silver), but as far as Smash Bros. is concerned, more variety is better than not using uninspired Pokémon.

I agree, except for Deoxys. Deoxys is about the only legendary since Gold and Silver that I actually like, and that's saying something, since there's been like 200 legendaries in the last two generations...

EDIT: Well, looks like today puts the debate to rest - Samus does indeed transform into Zero Suit Samus after her final Smash. I'm both surprised and completely unsurprised...

[SuperLuigiBros]

Yeh. I hope it works out alright. Well, the only reason I have to fear is that some people might like to use Samus, but not Zero Suit Samus, or vice versa. Except for me. I use neither.

[OnBake Platinum]

I like that you can through the pieces of her suit around.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Oh yeh I forgot to mention how cool that is. We may have guessed that we play as ZS Samus after she shoots her lazer, but i dont think anyone saw her suit as an item.

[SilentDeath]

Am I the only one disappointed by this latest update? I was hoping ZSS was the new Shiek

[gigabowser666]

I wonder what is ZSS's Final smash?

and if someone really like playing has ZSS, but in tournament they turn off items, how will he access this playable persona?

And if you die as ZSS, will you comeback with your suit or not?

And for Kirby that means less chance of seeing him in ZSS form, unless there are other ways to be ZSS.

Like if you had the control to transform back and forth, but if you use the final smash, you lose that control until you re-spawn.

[SilentDeath]

Im hoping once you do samus's final smash it will unlock her so she will selectable or she will be like shiek and you just have to hold a button at map load

[Zeep]

As a Samus player (NOT cosplayer, thank you Aaron), I like this announcement. For one, it adds another element of strategy to the Final Smash, because you should only use it when you're ready to transform into ZSS, and it seems likely you won't be able to transform back until you respawn. And as we discussed earlier, fuck people who turn off items.

[Phoenix]

As a Samus player (NOT cosplayer, thank you Aaron)No one is going to believe you, Zeep. Don't be ashamed of it, you can't hide the truth...

Anyway, I think she might get her suit back when she gets knocked out. It being a permanent change in each game could really throw off Samus players in long matches.

[SilentDeath]

fuck people who turn off items.

This leaves out tournament players who also want to play as ZSS

[Phoenix]

And tournament players who want Giga Bowser. I'm pretty sure Samus will not rely on her Zero Suit any more than the other characters will on their final smashes. It'll be fine.

[Mirai]

Comparing Giga Bowser to Zero Suit Samus is a bit of a stretch. That's like saying it will leave out people who want to play as God. Giga Bowser is the his Final Smash - it increases his strength and defense, whereas Zero Suit Samus just changes her stats.

And fuck people who need items to win.

[Teh Roxor!]

And fuck people who need items to win.
Fuck people who need items off to win.

[Phoenix]

Oh God, not this debate again. Items are perfectly acceptable in every situation except formal tournaments, in which they offer too much of a luck element to truly be able to prove who the better player is. Let's leave it there.

[Mirai]

Zero Suit Samus is today's update. Looks very similar to Sheik...

[Lynk Former]

Suddenly, millions of netgeeks start fapping.

[Dorbin]

I don't believe Zeep really meant anything by his comment... more off-hand than anything else. Let's just keep it civil, fellas.

I think the Samus news certainly makes the character more dynamic, and I support that. May be a bummer though when you can't gain your suit back during a match... we'll have to see how it plays out.

[Lynk Former]

I'm betting when you get smashed out of the arena, you return in her Varia suit.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Oh, and Zero Suit Samus is today's update. Looks very similar to Sheik...
The only difference is the player can choose to use Shiek whever they want, if at all. But these guys have to use the final smash to get ZS Samus. What if they want to use ZS Samus, but their opponent keeps getting the Final Smash item? The problem, as ive already said, is that they cant choose who they want to use like you can with Sheik and Zelda.

Although, they don't actually have to use Samus to begin with so I dont think its too much of a problem.

[Ch1cago88]

Oh God, not this debate again. Items are perfectly acceptable in every situation except formal tournaments, in which they offer too much of a luck element to truly be able to prove who the better player is. Let's leave it there.

What he said. ^

[Zeep]

When the mod of this section says fuck pretty much half of the readers of this thread, because they play with a different set of rules to him, I think something is shit out of order.

I was kidding. I just meant it to bring up the point that, as we discussed, playing with no Final Smashes would make it impossible to activate ZSS.

[Mirai]

Hey Zeep. I was hoping to get back on here before you saw that.

I was having a shit day and I obviously took your post the wrong way. Sorry for my post, I guess I was looking for a fight, or just needed to vent somehow, and I apologise.

[Hylian-Advocate]

wow people..... just because you turn into Zero Suit Samus when you use the final smash doesn't mean you wont be able to transform any other way... ..it never said that....

I imagine that you just have to wait a little while....like sort of a re-charge time before you can manually switch back and forth. My guess (based on the fact that it has been stated in an earlier post that after you use a final smash...you experience a vulnerable period) that the sudden loss of her suit makes her more vulnerable for a slight moment before she is able to gain back full control.

I mean..jsut becuase it says...after she destoys her powersuit..blah blah blah.... doesn't mean that you can only do that with the final smahs is what I am getting at.

I just don't see how you wouldn't be able to switch back and forth..... that just wouldn't make sense to me... However, even if you couldn't.... the post also didn't say that you couldn't directly select Zero Suit Samus from the select screen either.

so don't fret y'all!

[Phoenix]

I don't find that likely. How does she magically remove and replace her suit? Maybe, just maybe, you can select Zero Suit Samus as an individual character, but that's about all I can see.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^well.... I just don't see how all the other characters can have there normal abilities return after they use final smash .....except not with Samus..... to me...that doesn't make any sense either....

also.....it doesn't make much sense to me to have this semi alternate character that you could only use when final smash items are turned on.....which is what everyone else was complaining about....

thats the only reason why I don't think that its the only way to get yourself into Zero Suit Samus mode.... it just doesn't make sense ./..sakurai has always tried to create an intricate sense of balance to his characters in past smashes and that wouldn't fall in line with the rest of the roster....

and I don't know why he would even bother putting her as a separate character in the websites roster of characters (a "newcomer" even) if you couldn't play as her intentionally without using a special item......

I guess, however...... that maybe if they really are designed as two separate characters....that this final smash item basically just switches you to an equally capable selectable character.....and you just have to know that if you use this item that you saying that you want to switch. ....which just seems weird...because it would be the only character/s that could do that..... hmmm ... I guess its not that weird.....meh....

I am really out of it from lack of sleep...hence the pointless rambling.... so I am done now...

[Zeep]

This World...

In this world, trophies fight.

They know nothing but fighting. Fighting is the sole reason for their existence.

Being turned back into a trophy, being unable to fight, is much like death.

Those are the rules of this world.

But...

When someone...or something...breaks those rules, the world will pay a terrible price...


What the...?

Edit: The fact that it's categorized as "game modes" only further confuses me.

[Skull Kid]

A story mode, perhaps?

[Teh Roxor!]

A story mode, perhaps?
Definitely.

[Zeep]

But what is that thing in the last screenshot? It looks like Fruit Fucker.

http://img.consumating.com/photos/15255/large/58468.jpg

[SuperLuigiBros]

That guy just made my day. He looks so fucking cool. Maybe its just cause Ive had a shitty annoying day and this is so cool, but im about 20% more excited for this game now.

...I think that puts me up to somewhere in the vicinity of 753% excitement.

[Phoenix]

But what is that thing in the last screenshot? It looks like Fruit Fucker.

http://img.consumating.com/photos/15255/large/58468.jpgHaha, now that's why it looks familiar. :P

[SuperLuigiBros]

:(

This is probably the most intriguing post on the Smash Bros. site and no one is talking about it.

:(

But I guess we don't know wtf is going on.

:(

and yet...

:)

[Mirai]

Finally, a story mode. This is gonna be so fuckin' badass!

For some reason, that thing reminds me of the Eggplant Wizard...

[Ch1cago88]

I like this darker side of Mario, it's a welcome change.

[Ch1cago88]

Sorry for the re-post but I had to post this...

Take a look of this image....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Ch1cago88/Faces.jpg

Doesn't it look like the clouds are morphing into nemesis Nintendo characters? I can see Bowser, Star Wolf, Ridley and Master Hand.

I know I'm not crazy, does this mean the characters could be playable?


Look! Look! Now I know I'm not crazy. Other people on other sites are posting the same findings.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Ch1cago88/Faces2.jpg

[Zeep]

good lord, not crap like this again. THEY'RE JUST CLOUDS!

[Mirai]

It's official ladies and gents... Cloud, of FF7 fame, is in SSB:B!

Seriously though, if those clouds did actually look anything like what you think they look like, if one of them is Master Hand, then there is no real reason to believe they will be playable.

[SuperLuigiBros]

^^Yeh, the clouds are just clouds. I can kinda see Bowser but its easy to see faces in things, especially if you are looking for them.

I think its pretty obvious that the ship belongs to Meta Knight. But I think from looking at the photos that this new mystery guy (who is totally awesome and now the background for my computer) is supposed to come out of the ship. So perhaps the story is all the bad guys verses all the good guys?

But then I guess the 'story' would work better if its everyone vs. mystery guy.


hmmmmm

[Phoenix]

I see neither Wolf nor Ridley. Bowser I can kind of see, but this is likely a coincidence, especially since his face in abstract form is hardly unique.

[OnBake Platinum]

I really hope Star Wolf and Ridley are in the game.

[Mirai]

I'm guessing this mystery guy has something to do with keeping order in This World, and Meta Knight has done something to piss him off.

I hope if Star Wolf is in the game, he's just another suit of Fox, we don't need any more clones.

[SuperLuigiBros]

The chances of Ridley are just a high as the chances as Sonic, Id say. But whether that be playable or unable (like Giga Boswer from Melee) is hard to say.

However, Star Wolf would be just as awesome, but his move set would be too similar to Fox or Falco. It would be awesome if he was an unlockable costume for Fox. Same moves, but different look.

Edit: It seems Dee Dubya has the same ideas as me for Star Wolf. But I think this new guy is a bad guy, come to screw things up. Maybe he's trying to turn everyone into trophies and its up to all the characters to fight him. Which would give everyone a reason to fight him.

[Phoenix]

Ridley isn't humanoid or popular enough to be a likely playable character, but I would be authentically surprised if he isn't in the game at all. Wolf is cool and all, but I think they're going to avoid clones this time, and it'd be difficult to make him very different from Fox.

[Mirai]

Yeah, I'll be extremely surprised if Ridley doesn't pop up somewhere in the game. He's been on the most wanted list for years.

Really curious about Fruit Fucker...

[OnBake Platinum]

Since when has Wolf used a gun though?

[Phoenix]

I would totally play as the real Fruit Fucker. I know those guys were well-connected, but this much? Wow. :P

[SuperLuigiBros]

Roy or Marth is (was?) way less popular than Ridley.

And Ridley was in Melee, in the form of an intro FMV. So, uh, at least they know he exists?

[Mirai]

Since when has Wolf used a gun though?

Since when did Fox before the original Smash Bros?

For that matter, when did he use the Fire Fox or the Fox Illusion? When did Zelda use Din's Fire? When did Sheik use a chain? Captain Falcon do the Falcon Punch?

[Gilly]

Since when did this game get WAY MORE COOLER?!?!

Oh man. This update sealed the deal on me getting a Wii.

[Teh Roxor!]

There's no reason to assume that because Wolf may look a bit like Fox that they would have to have similar move sets. Anyway, let's not count our chickens before they hatch! There's no Wolf. (Yet.)

[Mirai]

Today's update's up. DK's stage. Looks like a roomier version of Icicle Mountain from Melee, which is certainly a good thing, since the main reason I hated that stage was how crampt it was, not the fact that it scrolled.

[OnBake Platinum]

Yes, Jungle Beat!

[SuperLuigiBros]

Jungle Beat is fucking awesome. This level is fucking awesome.

Mario's climbing the ladder... thats a pretty cool addition if we can actually do that, but itd be quicker to jump, right?

[Zeep]

Looks like fun. Hopefully it'll be more popular than Icicle Mountain.

[Zeep]

Double-post. deal with it.

Yoshi announced. Nothing too surprising. I just hope they can do a better job of avoiding those characters that no one ever wants to use, like Jigglypuff, Ice Climber, and Yoshi in Melee.

[Mirai]

Jigglypuff is actually one of my main's, and I know I'm not alone. She's surprisingly popular, and powerful.

[Lynk Former]

:D @ pic of Yoshi standing on Donkey Kong's back.

[Teh Roxor!]

Jigglypuff is actually one of my main's, and I know I'm not alone. She's surprisingly popular, and powerful.
I can vouch for that.

[Mirai]

Jigglypuff and Ice Climbers are also fairly high on the tiers to my memory.

[Zeep]

ok, maybe jigglypuff was a bad example, but you know what i mean. i hope there's no (or at least fewer) characters that most players unanimously wouldn't want to play as. when it comes time to make the tier list for brawl, i hope people really have to think a lot harder to decide which characters deserve the lowest spots.

[Phoenix]

I hope Yoshi is more usable in this game. He's always been my favorite character from the Mario universe.

[Hypersonic99]

I realllllly hope that if this game does go online that it will be really really fun.....i wonder when nintendo will go online¿

[Khaos]

Bah, we're still in the dark as to whether there will be online or not. Atleast if there wasn't going to be any for sure, they would've told us by now, I think.

[Phoenix]

I realllllly hope that if this game does go online that it will be really really fun.....i wonder when nintendo will go online¿Nintendo is already online. It's crappy online, but still online.

[gigabowser666]

I always used every caracter in SSBM

IMO I dont think there are better caracters, just better players

[Phoenix]

Well, it's as good as proven that some characters have greater potential than others, but the player is more important than anything. But let's not get into this argument again.

[Teh Roxor!]

Well, it's as good as proven that some characters have greater potential than others, but the player is more important than anything. But let's not get into this argument again.
Splitting hairs here, but nothing was ever proven. There is a general consensus that I more or less agree with.

I always play as every character too. Every time I go with a random one, unless someone really wants to challenge me and get my best.

[Phoenix]

"As good as proven." Not truly proven.

[Teh Roxor!]

Damn, now you've made me feel silly!

[Phoenix]

And that avatar has nothing to do with it?

[Teh Roxor!]

Jan Skylar is a part of the very reputable Married News Team.

Off topic a bit, aren't we?

[Zeep]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage08/stage08_070725a-l.jpg

pit's stage. breakable floor. looks like fun.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Damn you! That was quick. I was waiting for them to update :(

Oh well. Yeh it looks like a lot of fun. I didnt realise that the entire thing can be destroyed. From the movies I thought the main one always stayed intact, but apparently not. Itll be fun to be a kamikaze if youre a few lives up on your opponent.

[Mirai]

Certainly adds a nice addition to the stage line up, though I wonder how it will go without a single solid platform...

[Lynk Former]

Oooh, Skyworld...

[Zeep]

The Footstool Jump. New ability allows you to springboard off your opponents, which apparently allows you to perform "meteor smashes," which we probably won't find out about for another 2 weeks.


certainly one of the more unexpected updates.

[OnBake Platinum]

meteor smashes are the ones where you shoot them straight down and they are screwed.

[Mirai]

Yeah, they're also known as Spikes. Think Mario's forward aerial or Falco's down aerial.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Falco's down aerial is the best thing ever. But I never used it to jump off the edge, smack someone down, and then jump back. This new thing seems like it could be too easy to keep someone from getting back. Esspecially if we get an extra boost.

[Zeep]

Yeah, they're also known as Spikes. Think Mario's forward aerial or Falco's down aerial.

ah, i'd just never heard it called that.

[Phoenix]

Meteor Smash is the official term for it.Falco's down aerial is the best thing ever. But I never used it to jump off the edge, smack someone down, and then jump back. This new thing seems like it could be too easy to keep someone from getting back. Esspecially if we get an extra boost.I love that move too. I love it so much, in fact, that I sometimes would sacrifice myself to finish someone with it before I learned how to recover.

[Mirai]

Yeah, go play Melee and check the list of bonuses, that's where the term was found originally.

I'm also a little concerned about this new technique. I hope that there's some way of countering it, otherwise I get the feeling it will be abused.

On a side note, I can't wait until the game comes out and people get angry because of all the changes.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Im sure Falco's (and Fox's) Up+B move should counter it, and its not like we wont all be using Up+B moves to be getting back anyway. I am a little concerned, but I dont think itll be too bad. Sakurai hasnt given me reason to doubt so far. Plus there could be new techniques to counter it, too.

I can just imagine how satisfying itll be to jump on someone to get an item. Its like a double humiliation.

[Hylian-Advocate]

like you guys said...Sakurai directed the unbelievably great game that is Super Smash Bros. Melee and I don't think hes going to do something that would fatally flaw his great formula....

but you are right Dee Dub.....there is sure to be certain groups of people that drone on about additions they dislike.... that's an inevitable....


Also notice that in pits stage...in the movies...the platforms regenerate really really fast...and that you can actually walk on the colouds as well.... before the platform is solid again....odd.....

[IEatFriedPikmin]

how come almost all the stages have similar set ups?

[Hylian-Advocate]

you know....there has been lots of talk about that..... although.... personally... I think there is a lot more to some of them than it appears... maybe environmental things that affect the stages..... things that come and go or move hear and there.....

I mean on yoshi's island it says the main platform tilts back and foth and the helping platforms and shyguys pop in and out... and in smashville... I can't imagine that with all of those characters behind you that they would be there and not affect the gameplay at all....


plus....we know there are already some other prety cool ones...like the mario supercircuit (mario kart) level from the videos.... or the one that looks like a castle (I think one of the coolest looking so far as it has those most vaired looking platform setup) ..or the one that has those cool big statues that hold up the platforms (perhaps another pit level).... and you also see a bit of a snake level....which could have some cool espionage crazyness to it......we just haven't seem much of it yet..... and samus jumping in the moving while in the lylat cruise stage makes it almost look like the gravity might (maybe a bit unlikely) lessened for some floaty battles..... there is also metaknights stage that was in the first movie a lot...and it travels around through the sky and to different parts of that crazy looking space shuttle...

so really... I am not worried one bit.....

my guess is that every new character will have its own stage...or a few even.... and just think.... if pit is in the game.....who els might there be....and what stages will be made for them.... its all pretty exciting if you ask me.... I just hope Sakurai will let up a bit on showing some much before the game actually comes out....

although...perhaps that just means there is so much stuff....that he can reveal as much as hes already done so far and there stilll will be an uber amount left to discover while playing through the game (hopefully more than melee even)....

anyway...thats my two cents.

[OnBake Platinum]

Knuckle Joe!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist04/assist04_070727a.jpg

When talking about the guaranteed hard hitter of Kirby’s world, you’ve got to say something about his fists!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist04/assist04_070727b-l.jpg

Knuckle Joe appears!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist04/assist04_070727c-l.jpg

Vulcan Jab!

A storm of Vulcan Jabs rain down, and then Knuckle Joe can finish his foes off with one of the following two special moves!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist04/assist04_070727d-l.jpg

Smash Punch!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist04/assist04_070727e-l.jpg

Rising Break!

He’s... He’s strong. He’s been doing some extreme training, I think.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Haha, I like the last comment.

When I saw the first picture I was like 'Who's this joker?' and by the time I saw the last picture I was like 'That guy is so cool'.

[OnBake Platinum]

He's the fighting type helper form Kirby Super Star.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Ah yep. I havnt invested all that much time in Kirby games. I have the GBA one (really easy right up until the last boss battle when it got super hard, or at least thats how i remember it), I had the 64 one (totally awesome), and Ive played a little of the DS and older GB ones... But I dunno. I was looking forward to the GC one, but uummmm.... that fell off the face of the earth (or onto the Wii).

[OnBake Platinum]

Kirby Super Star on SNES is beyond 1337. So is Kirby Canvas Curse.

[Mirai]

Nice addition to the line up. These guys certainly look like they'll get obscure...

[Gilly]

He's the fighting type helper form Kirby Super Star.

I had to have rented that game at least 15 times.
So awesome.

[OnBake Platinum]

Have you played with a friend? The amount of ass kick is unbelievable.

[Phoenix]

Nice addition to the line up. These guys certainly look like they'll get obscure...Well, that's kind of the point of Assist Trophies. So they can include obscure characters without introducing step-headed redchildren like the Ice Climbers to the playable lineup.

[koten]

Ah yep. I havnt invested all that much time in Kirby games. I have the GBA one (really easy right up until the last boss battle when it got super hard, or at least thats how i remember it), I had the 64 one (totally awesome), and Ive played a little of the DS and older GB ones... But I dunno. I was looking forward to the GC one, but uummmm.... that fell off the face of the earth (or onto the Wii).They need to make a sequal for Kirby 64 on the DS or something. The combining powers from Squeek Squad should have been the Kirby 64 system only with the powers combining inside his belly. They better do that next time.

[SuperLuigiBros]

No one's posted about the new update. :O

DK's Final Smash. He brings out bongo's and you get to play to the beat. As I understand it, the better you do the more powerful it is.

I think its an awesome idea that you get to play a sort of mini game (as for as I know it). However, it says "Oh, and jamming during screen scrolls and such is something you might want to...think about." which means on a level like the Ice Climbers one you wont be able to use it because youll get left behind... and die!

[Phoenix]

I'll admit that looks kind of lame, but who knows.

[Hylian-Advocate]

New Item: "Pitfall"

This item appeared in the game Animal Crossing. Bury it in the ground and it becomes a trap. If you love playing tricks on others, this item can’t be beat.

When you throw a Pitfall at the ground...

It vanishes!

When someone touches it, PLUNK!

Now’s your chance. You can’t help but grin.

Incidentally, it also has an effect if you simply hit someone with it instead of setting it in the ground.

If you get hit by a Pitfall, you’ll drop through pass-through floors!

Getting thoroughly fooled by a trap like this... It’s pretty humiliating.

Link (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html)


.....sounds pretty cool actually... just think if there is a stage where there isn't anything below a pass-through platform......throw it at that somebody and down they go!..... or ....wait..... does it actually mean they just get stuck on the underside.... well...either way...if there was nothing below them....when they got unstuck....it would still mean look out below....

If the items they have been willing to show have been this interesting... I can't wait to play through and see them all.... the devs are getting quite creative.

[Mirai]

Yeah, the items so far are all really fantastic, no doubt about it.

[ninnin]

Brand new character Ike from Fire Emblem!!

Now that's an update!!

[Lynk Former]

HA! *points at everyone* I TOLD YOU!!

And holy crap, he can use Aether :D This is EXACTLY what I wanted.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Which one is he from? Ike sounds familiar, but i dont remember him looking like that. Id like to play through the one he's from, even though Im not a huge Fire Emblem fan.

And yeh, he looks totally awesome.

[Lynk Former]

Ike is from Path of Radiance (FE9) and Goddess of Dawn (FE10).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4CsnIdq2U8 Ike in action. At around 1:07 he uses Aether against the Black Knight.

[Phoenix]

Path of Radiance if 9. Sacred Stones is 8.

I am so excited for Ike, he was one of my favorite FE Lords. I totally expected him, though.

[Lynk Former]

@ Phoenix: Yeah I know, it's called a typo

[Phoenix]

Aether ruled so much... pierce the armor and then suck health...

[the poe collector]

Awesome addition to the line-up.

Path of Radiance was one of my favorite GC games.

[Zeep]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/ike/ike_070801e.jpg

I just felt like doing that.

[Blaksmoke]

Ike's sword (I can't remember the name of it) is a lot shorter than it is in Path of Radiance, but whatever. It's cool he's in. I also just reserved this game and Mario Galaxy yesterday. :)

[Gilly]

He looks pretty cool, even better than Marth and Roy and I liked them a lot.

[Shadow Voa]

Im going to go slit my wrists now... Marth or Roy may be cut thanks to blue asshat joining the fray.

[Phoenix]

Then just use Ike. Roy and probably Marth were lame characters, anyway.

[Shadow Voa]

You call yourself a fan? YOure as big an asshat as Ike, I should neg rep you for that!!

You betray Fire Emblem, I have no respect left for you Sam.

[Zeep]

"Sam"?

[Smalldude76]

Im going to go slit my wrists now... Marth or Roy may be cut thanks to blue asshat joining the fray.

Probably Roy if any considering he's the more powerful of the two.

[Shadow Voa]

This news sucks.

[D3adcell]

Ike is awesome. I might have to get this now.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/ike/ike.jpg

[Phoenix]

You call yourself a fan? YOure as big an asshat as Ike, I should neg rep you for that!!

You betray Fire Emblem, I have no respect left for you Sam.Roy was just "lets save the kingdom, guys!" and little more, and is a pretty crappy unit if you exclude being able to use Sword of Seals. Although, maybe that's only because I read an amateur translation of the game when I played it.

Ike had more depth and is an overall awesome unit.

EDIT: Wait, is Ike in his commoner's garb but using the sword he gets when he's a Lord?

[Unspoken]

This is incredible irony.

Last night, I showed Tanner (Sikknot) the Dojo website, and we started speculating on characters. I told him, "Yeah, there probably won't be Marth or Roy. My guess is that they put Ike in the line-up."






Incredible.

[Phoenix]

Coincidence. Not irony.

[Shadow Voa]

Roy is the son of Eliwood, nuff said.

So Ike's dad was like super strong badass, Ike isnt... he didnt get married like most NORMAL STRAIGHT FE Guy characters. Hes too busy running around the country side as a non lord class with his merry men.

[Phoenix]

Eliwood > Roy, though.

Let's see Lyn, Ephraim or Hector in this game too, if they insist on purging the old FE SSB characters.

[Shadow Voa]

Lynn I wouldnt mind, but dont get rid of Marth I beg you Nintendo!!

Also since we are talkin FE, Roy not only takes on the role of General of the Alliances army, but defeats the King of Bern (cant remember name :() and beats the Dark Dragon.

Big deal for his dad, he beat one fairly strong dragon and Nergal (though Athos could handle it himself)

And the final ticket, Sword of Seals > Durandal.

[Phoenix]

Yes, but Roy's stats SUCK hard. He's got decent Luck, so he makes a pretty good decoy, and that's about all. Eliwood is actually useful before he gets his special sword.

[Shadow Voa]

I dont know about you but my Roy often Crit more then usual units (excluding Hereos and Swordmasters) I stuck the Killing Edge and let him go to town.

Ike without the Ragnell is nothing but a courageous sell sword, who had responsibility thrust on his shoulders, but at the time he wasnt ready and it took him awhile to learn his new role.

Roy with all his schooling and calm exterior made the better leader, plus he gets Lilena in the end. :-)

Edit: Thanks for the correction Pheonix, I didnt use her on my team, just for Support convos with Roy.

[Phoenix]

Isn't it Lilena or something?

Now she is a beast.

[Cofey]

They should put Mordecai in...that would rock.

[Lynk Former]

I dont know about you but my Roy often Crit more then usual units (excluding Hereos and Swordmasters) I stuck the Killing Edge and let him go to town.

Ike without the Ragnell is nothing but a courageous sell sword, who had responsibility thrust on his shoulders, but at the time he wasnt ready and it took him awhile to learn his new role.

Roy with all his schooling and calm exterior made the better leader, plus he gets Lina in the end. :-)
But in Goddess of Dawn, Ike is a very strong leader after all of his growth in Path of Radiance.

[Mirai]

Nice update, though it was expected that Marth and Roy would be cut to make room for other Fire Emblem-ers, and I think it's the right thing to do.

Marth and Roy fans got to see them make their appearances already. As long as the character is pretty much the same to play (for people who are using them for the play style, not the character's history), then we may as well get to see a Ike and Lyn in their place. It just diversifies Smash Bros that little bit more...

[Hylian-Advocate]

again....you guys are assuming things that aren't actual facts....

sure it is very likely that one or two of Marth and Roy could be cut......but nobody knows that for sure...

Anyway... I think Ike looks pretty bad ass.....so I am not going to complain about his back story or anything like that...... I will reserve any judgments until after I see if he sucks or not..... as long as hes fun to play and till has the Fire-Emblem-Character-In-Smash-Bros-Game feel....then I will be happy.

[Lynk Former]

Looked like an opinion to me, not a statement of fact.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^what I was saying is that people are making assumptions as if it were fact....

and like a couple of people have said... as long as he plays well and retains that Marth and Roy type fell.....if Marth and Roy end up not being there....it shouldn't be too much of a loss.

[Zeep]

Finally, the castle stage in the trailers has been confirmed as a fire emblem stage. "castle seige." it's not too big, but eventually the floor breaks and you all fall into the castle, and then later the floor breaks and you fall through into...?

[Lynk Former]

the dungeon of course :p

[Mirai]

^what I was saying is that people are making assumptions as if it were fact....

and like a couple of people have said... as long as he plays well and retains that Marth and Roy type fell.....if Marth and Roy end up not being there....it shouldn't be too much of a loss.

I thought I was making my assumptions as though they're assumptions, but hey, silly me for thinking I could make an assumption. Good thing your here to put words in everyone's mouth though, otherwise we'd never get out what we mean...

I'm starting to worry that in some stages there's a little too much going on. Today's update is a good example.

[Phoenix]

They should put Mordecai in...that would rock.But how would he fight without just being a tiger the whole time?

[Mirai]

Invent a punt load of moves like almost every other character in Smash Bros?

[Hylian-Advocate]

I thought I was making my assumptions as though they're assumptions, but hey, silly me for thinking I could make an assumption. Good thing your here to put words in everyone's mouth though, otherwise we'd never get out what we mean...

I'm starting to worry that in some stages there's a little too much going on. Today's update is a good example.

gosh....everyone takes me so seriously..... in a negative way.

I wasn't actually really talking about you... however..... I was mostly agreeing with your second statement....

Additionally... I was just trying to make light of the fact that there is still hope for Marth and Roy fans......as their existence has not been announced......their non-existence hasn't been announced either.... sorry if what I was saying sounded rude.




Anyway.... I personally think this is one of the coolest stages shown ....greatly due to the fact that their IS a bunch going on. Some of the others shown have been less multifaceted.

[Smalldude76]

Looks like a fairly neat stage, though I hope not all stages are so involved in the battle. There will be times when we'll want to play these stages, and others when we'll want to play something simple like Final Destination.

[bobo_ess]

I wonder if they'll add sothe, i have a bad feeling marth and roy ain't making the cut

[ninnin]

well did any character from Super Smash Bros. on the N64 get cut out? If not then I can easly see hope for Roy and Marth.

[Smalldude76]

well did any character from Super Smash Bros. on the N64 get cut out? If not then I can easly see hope for Roy and Marth.

Sakurai's said that not all characters will be returning. I narrowed it down to any of (not all) Young Link(to be replaced by WW link), Pichu(generally unused), Game&Watch(novelty, though more likely to stay than others), Marth, or Roy(subject of debate).

"Sakurai has stated that he may not want to put much emphasis on Japan-only characters, but it has been noted that this may change due to the success that the Fire Emblem series characters enjoyed internationally thanks to their inclusion in Melee." - Wikipedia.

[Shadow Voa]

There really is no reason to cut both of them, in fact why the hell not have 3 Fire Emblem characters? We have like fifty-billion Mario characters for chrissake.

No Diddy or King K Rool for Donkey Kong who is on his own, Fox and Falco for team Starfox, 4 Zelda theme characters, Captain Falco is on his own, 4 Pokemon, Ness is on his own, GameWatch/Ice Climbers also on their own. And of course Snake.

Three FE's is quite fine, so I retain hope that neither Marth or Roy have been cut.

[Bsack]

Diddy Kong didn't make the cut into this title? Did Waluigi make it? I haven't been keeping up with this game at all because I'm trying to stay away from being hyped up about it.

[Phoenix]

We don't know yet, and I hope to God Waluigi doesn't get in the game.

Mario and Pokémon are the two best selling series in the entire world; it's only natural that they get more characters than other series. I would like them to keep Marth and/or Roy and all, but not at the expense of good newcomers. Would you rather have Marth, Roy and Ike, or cut the two and have a more varied (read: fun) lineup of, say, Hector, Ike and Ephraim?

[Shadow Voa]

C'mon Phoenix you should know me by now when its got Fire Emblem involved. I would take Roy and Marth over the rest easily.

Hector has an axe, Ike 2hander which is used with one hand, and Ephriam a lance. I mean other then new weapon combat that would be interesting... the characters were bland and easily forgotten (maybe not Ike).

FE6 was my favourite, followed by 7, 3, and then 9. Dont get me wrong Im going to play Ike as well, but I have to be honest it made me worry one of my other fav's had gotten the axe. As I said, three FE characters is more then fine and still leaves room to add Sonic and hopefully a Golden Sun character? Hehe.

[Phoenix]

Fire Emblem characters are moderately realistic, combat-wise. Their weapon of choice is the only significant difference between them when it comes to Smash Bros. There's only so many ways you can change up their moves to be unique without making them out of character if they all use swords.

7 > 6, in my opinion, although 6's data corrupting might have left a bad taste in my mouth. Seven just feels more... refined, though.

[Shadow Voa]

You know the critical animations they use in all FE games? I wouldnt even mind if they used the same sort of style and transfer that to performable moves for the player.

Aether is a good idea of what Im talking about, though its not going to heal Ike (maybe?) but it still isnt copying Marth or Roy and making him unique which is great.

PS - My next theme is going to be Fire Emblem so you can say goodbye to the RJ Phoenix hahaha.

[Phoenix]

Aether is going to be his finishing move, I'm pretty sure. But when you're excluding the big stuff, they are basically just "use swords to make the stuff go dead." They can't be all critical animations.

Awesome. Go with FE very soon please.

[Unspoken]

As I said, three FE characters is more then fine and still leaves room to add Sonic and hopefully a Golden Sun character? Hehe.

Felix, please?


Or is it going to be one of the characters from 3?

[Shadow Voa]

Issac if I had to venture a guess.

[Ch1cago88]

If I was a betting man I'd say Marth and Roy are gone and have been replaced with 2 new characters with totally unique skill sets. My guess? I dunno, Sonic and King Dedede maybe? I have a feeling they'll both be in the game.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Isaac would make me piss my pants. :susp:

Shadowvoa, As for the FE guys... There are so many people who use Roy and Marth that they'll either keep at least one of them in the game, or Ike will be so similar that you wont have to worry about the other being cut. Or theres another FE (or even just another character with a sword) who wields a sword. As far as gameplay goes you needn't worry. But character wise you should prepare yourself for the worst. Which isn't actually that bad since FE characters have actually been included again, so you should be happy.

The stage is awesome. That last bit left me in far too much suspense. Damn you Sakurai! ...in the best way possible...

Edit: I hope King Dedede isn't in it. In fact, Id bet he isnt in it since he's so big and all. Plus theyve got enough Kirby characters.

[Shadow Voa]

Its simple enough that I just like Marth and Roy over Ike. But youre right Im prepared for the worst, if my two characters I use are cut Im going to use Ike. Simple as that, but Id rather that not be the case so I remain optimistic that I will get 3 FE characters and not Ike and maybe someone else.

[Mirai]

I don't see Marth and Roy's skill sets disappearing from the game. They are far too popular with both casuals and hardcore players, so I don't see them being left behind. They'll just get a face lift if anything.

I don't see any more than two Fire Emblemites, though three is a distinct possibility. I just don't think the franchise has the weight though.

Golden Sun is getting your hopes up, as cool as it would be.

[ninnin]

Here's a question:

If Nintendo (or whoever stated) that clone characters wouldn't be in the Brawl, wouldn't that mean Roy would be cut due to the fact that he just a stronger version of Marth?

[Zeep]

not if he was made into his own unique character.

[Shadow Voa]

Getting my hopes up? Nah, its just wishful thinking. I place their odds of being added at under 4%