Super Smash Bros. Brawl - Updates & Hype Thread

[ninnin]

Well if they could only bring back one (Roy or Marth) who would you chose?

[Phoenix]

Roy is not a stronger version of Marth. He is a variation of Marth that has a little extra damage on some attacks (and a lot on one) in exchange for a lot of mobility and effective reach.

[version2.0]

Roy is not a stronger version of Marth. He is a variation of Marth that has a little extra damage on some attacks (and a lot on one) in exchange for a lot of mobility and effective reach.

Don't forget their trajectories either. For instance, Marths down A in the air is a meteor smash, Roys isn't. (one of the many reasons I prefer Marth over Roy.)

[Phoenix]

I said he's a variation. I had no intentions of discussing all of the differences specifically. :)

I don't even play them that much. The only clones of whose differences I'm comfortable enough in my knowledge to discuss are Fox and Falco.

[Smalldude76]

Marth's counter is also much lengthier than Roy's whose actually takes a bit of precise timing in order to pull off effectively. When it does it's fantastic though.

In a Marth vs Roy match-up Marth will almost always win because of his speed and range which trounce Roy.

[Shadow Voa]

I choose ... both!

Roy because he is my fav Lord from the entire Fire Emblem series.

[Zeep]

Confirmation of Shiek and Ganondorf through Phantom Hourglass interview with Aonuma.

GI: Have you been consulted at all for the usage of Link or Sheik or Ganondorf for Smash Bros. Brawl?

Aonuma: I’ve been working with Sakurai for a very long time with this new Smash Bros., because the Wii came out and when discussion for a new Smash Bros. took place nobody could think of anyone other than Sakurai working on it. He was kind of the default, and I was very happy to hear that he would be working on it. Actually, my designers did work on the designs for Sheik and Link and Ganondorf. So they submitted the initial designs, and so it would fit in the Smash Bros. Brawl environment, they’ve had to tweak some of the designs. But Sakurai has brought those altered designs to NCL. We’re working very closely with the team of Smash Bros. Brawl to make sure the characters look their best.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200708/N07.0802.1741.54921.htm

[Mirai]

Just by the way, Nintendo hasn't said that clones would be cut from the game. I repeat, Nintendo hasn't said that clones would be cut from the game.

Sakurai, however, has stated that some characters will be cut. He has not alluded to which ones, whether they are clones or otherwise. So at this stage it is just as acceptable to expect both Fox and Falco or Link and Young Link will be in the game as it is to expect that Peach will not be returning.

Why? Because there is no news proving or disproving either.

Good to hear that Sheik and Ganondorf should be returning, though I won't be surprised if Aunoma was pulling a fast one on us in the end.

[Hylian-Advocate]

dang....zeep.....you beet me to it

even though those characters were practically no brainers in terms of knowing whether they would be in the game.....

especially link.....since hes already announced..... hehehe

[Zeep]

Just by the way, Nintendo hasn't said that clones would be cut from the game. I repeat, Nintendo hasn't said that clones would be cut from the game.

Sakurai, however, has stated that some characters will be cut. He has not alluded to which ones, whether they are clones or otherwise. So at this stage it is just as acceptable to expect both Fox and Falco or Link and Young Link will be in the game as it is to expect that Peach will not be returning.

Why? Because there is no news proving or disproving either.

Good to hear that Sheik and Ganondorf should be returning, though I won't be surprised if Aunoma was pulling a fast one on us in the end.

Sakurai stated in an interview that they were not going to have "clone" characters in Brawl. That doesn't mean they'll be cut, but they'll have to have unique movesets.

[Zeep]

Single-player officially announced!

Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Subspace Emissary is a robust side-scrolling action game!


- This is the Subspace Emissary! -

More than anything, Smash Bros. is a competitive action game. People have been kind enough to praise its multiplayer, but we’ve never been able to create a fully fleshed out single-player game.

This time, though, we’ve managed to create a complete side-scrolling action game. It’s storyline isn’t overwrought—it’s hastened along by a bunch of quick movies.

The Adventure mode also emphasizes character development. You’ll see many famous characters persevering under the weight of their personal histories, shouldering their unique burdens... It’s really something you won’t see anywhere else.

With so many wonderful characters appearing together, it’s like a dream action game. We’re putting tons of fighting spirit into making this game, so I hope you’re all looking forward to it.

Oh, and this is all included in the same Game Disc, so rest easy.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Best update so far. I loved Adventure mode. Anything equivalent to that in size you please me greatly. But it seems it will be far superior to Melee.

A game can only be so perfect, but perhaps Sakurai will be able to push the boundaries.

Oh, and:
expect that Peach will not be returning
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803h-l.jpg

[Lynk Former]

Holy crap that's sweet, it looks so epic.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803j-l.jpg

It looks like the entire cast band together... @.@

XD I hope Link rides Yoshi, that'd be so awesome LOL

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803k-l.jpg

[OnBake Platinum]

Where does it say Peach won't be returning?

[Gummy]

IM BUYING THIS FUCKING GAME!

I'm kind of horrible at this game though, but I get lucky enough to win. =]

[SuperLuigiBros]

^^In Dee Dubya's post.

[Lynk Former]

Is it me or is Bowser and Meta Knight standing on the Halberd (Meta Knight's ship) as it flies above Mario and the others?...

[Alloy]

This game is definately going to be a dream come true. It still ticks me off that I gotta wait til December -_-

[Lynk Former]

Also, it almost looks as if Samus is in the Shadow Moses base... it looks like they're pairing Samus with Snake... at least Samus in her Zero Suit form... which kinda makes sense XD The Zero Suit part of Zero Mission required you to use stealth.

[Generosity of God]

Is it me or is Bowser and Meta Knight standing on the Halberd (Meta Knight's ship) as it flies above Mario and the others?...

i dont know but how awesome would it be if all the bad guys are working together.

[SuperLuigiBros]

^But then how could just justify a match between Bowser vs. Ganondorf?!?!?!?!

...I just spent the last 30 minutes saving every picture on the site onto my computer. Im so cool.

[Mr. Coww]

Well i think 4 months of 08 are screwed now... Why do you do this to me and my limited free time...

[Lynk Former]

^But then how could just justify a match between Bowser vs. Ganondorf?!?!?!?!
Not all bad guys work together, some work for themselves and destroy other bad guys along the way the same as good guys,

[Generosity of God]

^But then how could just justify a match between Bowser vs. Ganondorf?!?!?!?!

well i was talking about adventure mode, so if i were desiging adventure mode i would have two sides of the story, good guys and bad guys. and the one you go through depends on who you choose. that way good guys dont fight themselves and bad guys dont fight themselves. remember talking about adventure mode.

[OnBake Platinum]

Samus and Snake have a love affair. Then Samus gives birth to....





Me.

[Lynk Former]

No, Simba and Nala have a love affair. Then Nala gives birth to you.

[OnBake Platinum]

...that answers alot of questions.

[Hylian-Advocate]

Is it me or is Bowser and Meta Knight standing on the Halberd (Meta Knight's ship) as it flies above Mario and the others?...
Like others have noted... I think that....just as the heroes will band together......the villains will too... and that doesn't mean that the villains can't play each other... remember... this is a story mode that is meant to bring the characters together and put them in one cohesive realm.


That doesn't rule out Lynk Formers idea either...... there is the likely possibility that rogue characters will pit themselves against their fellow baddies or goodies.

man.....this is by far the coolest update yet....

I wonder though..... you know how the adventure mode in Melee you could play through it as each character.... do you guys think this will be possible in this mode.... or is it like.... playing each different character for different levels, I wonder..... for example....maybe you select a character and then play their specific chapter of the story.... if it were based on the former idea...talk about replay value...playing through the entire story mode with each different character.....but I don't know how that would work.

[Lynk Former]

The Adventure mode also emphasizes character development. You’ll see many famous characters persevering under the weight of their personal histories, shouldering their unique burdens... It’s really something you won’t see anywhere else.
By the sounds of it, depending on which character you choose, the overall story will change to suit the character and their own unique stories...

[IEatFriedPikmin]

that looks pretty epic.
I'm glad Nintendo kinda spread out their games this fall. Metroid in 4 weeks...Mario in November... and then this.

I'm glad I have a 360 too, so I can fill up the vacant time and not have a life :(...

[Hylian-Advocate]

By the sounds of it, depending on which character you choose, the overall story will change to suit the character and their own unique stories...

well..you see....thats what was making me think that each character will have a different chapter of the story.... instead of somthing like in melee where you ust played through adventure mode with each character and there was slight differences.....

I guess it could still be kinda like that....but the FMVs would have to be different each time....so my guess is that its the former with separate chapters that are completely different as you play from character to character...but work together to tell an overall story.

[Lynk Former]

Who says they need to be FMV's? Plus who said that the story has to be exactly the same for each character?

[Mirai]

^^In Dee Dubya's post.

Actually, if you take the time to actually read my post, you'll see I say nothing to that point.

Sakurai, however, has stated that some characters will be cut. He has not alluded to which ones, whether they are clones or otherwise. So at this stage it is just as acceptable to expect both Fox and Falco or Link and Young Link will be in the game as it is to expect that Peach will not be returning.

Why? Because there is no news proving or disproving either.

All I said is there is no news confirming whether she would be back or not, which was completely true at the time of my post.

Sakurai stated in an interview that they were not going to have "clone" characters in Brawl. That doesn't mean they'll be cut, but they'll have to have unique movesets.

That was kinda my point, I just didn't get it out well.

This adventure mode looks fucking insane. It's good to see things like Fox in a Mario type environment. If this was capable of being any higher on my must buy list, it would be.

[Hylian-Advocate]

Who says they need to be FMV's? Plus who said that the story has to be exactly the same for each character?

well.... I actually just meant cut scenes...not FMVs.... and that's what I was saying....that instead of one big story that each character can pay through...its actually just a series of chapters that are different for each character.....

thats the only way I can think that it could work unless it just goes through all of the characters at once...letting you play as one in a certain part of the game and then changing to another character as you progress to a different level..and then another....

and then.....what about the idea of hidden characters.... is it going to be where you can only play the single player mode chapters of the characters you have unlocked....so as to not reveal who they are until they are unlocked.... because you better not be unlocking ALL the characters just through the adventure mode..... that wouldn't be as fun as having some only unlocked after a certain amount of playtime or special achievements and so forth.


by the way.....what is with all this discussion on so many other sites about whether or not Brawl will have online or not.... honestly people...... there is no way that it can't have online....

who knows.....maybe Nintendo will make an extremely odd and one in a million choice to not have online and I will be eating my words.... (but I just don't think that would happen)....

there is no debate over whether or not his game could run on the Wii over the net...... you have multiplayer shooters and fighters on the xbox original for example and they, for most good developers, work perfectly fine..... I mean... halo has tons of players in one games... and Brawl would most likely only have to have four.....although it would be awesome if there could be massively large online matches as well as the traditional four..... plus.....we have already seen that online works relatively lag free with Super Mario Strikers Charged...pending a good connection is used (as is the case for all games....even halo).....

so we know it can work just fine....so....the only other possible reason I could think of that it wouldn't end up in the game is if the devs didn't have enough time to flesh it out....which I also find unlikely.... this game has an entire game development company working on it that sakurai created....plus people from various Nintendo in house developers helping out.... (so basically.... WAY more than most games) and then you think of the fact that they have had two years for creating this game....more actually.... and a game like charged, which took less time to make im sure, has a pretty good multilayer in it.

To me..... all signs point to online Brawling ....the only thing I think should be under that much anticipatory scrutiny is what kind of online play there is going to be...

tournaments... two on two......four on four...free for all..... Big team Brawl (*with 16 players on teams or free for all)... I mean..you could literally go insane with possibilities ... (although for some reason I just see Nintendo doing four players only ...but I could dream cant I)

[Cream Filling]

those multiplayer games for the xbox worked so well because Live was a decent online service
sometimes I think that Nintendo is scared of the internet or something
I wish they would just announce if the game can be played online, but maybe they're saving it for another update.

[ninnin]

Smoke Bomb

[Zeep]

sounds interesting.

[Hylian-Advocate]

those multiplayer games for the xbox worked so well because Live was a decent online service
sometimes I think that Nintendo is scared of the internet or something
I wish they would just announce if the game can be played online, but maybe they're saving it for another update.

well....this thing is... its not really a matter of having a good online network or anything like that.... ...that doesn't really make a difference in terms of what I am talking about.....because all you need is a way to take games online....and even though friend codes make it suck a bit....Nintendo has online that works great fundamentally speaking.

plus.... the reason why xbox has the reputation of having good internet is not because Microsoft has done that much to create a great online network (even though it's awesome) ....the real reason is because online was made so accessible to developers and because the user doesn't have to do anything (for example..share friend codes) but click xbox live on the game menu and your set..... everything else is up to the developer and NOT the online service.

So....again.....there is no reason why they wont have online...except for the unlikely reasons I mentioned before....

friend codes may suck...and there may not be as much downloadable content (excluding the virtual console) such as movie trailers, demos and themes when compared to the 360...... but none of that has anything to do with whether or not Brawl could or couldn't have great online.....

its all up to the developer ....and since we are talking about the genius Sakurai.... I am betting that we should all be able to rest easy at night.

[Phoenix]

F*** you, Togepi.

At least the Smoke Bomb doesn't cover the whole screen. This could be a pretty fun item.

[Dakota Grabowski]

Latest EB Games mock-up of SSBB box-art

http://media.gameworldnetwork.com/news_shots/71214632546b7aed2915fb.jpg

Sonic in store? Also it has Petey Piranha, Baby Bowser, Rayman, Birdo, and I believe one of the characters from Animal Crossing (that dude that collects all the money?).

[Hylian-Advocate]

^fake!.....

supposedly the story was that a gamer went into a GameStop and saw this company made flyer....

first of all there is no way Nintendo would tell GameStop who's in the game before print magazines and online media via e-mail or through their press page.

and if an GameStop did make that fake cover.....it only means some Nintendo fan that is in the know with the whole Smash Bros. character hype (in terms of crazed sega/nintendo fans wanting sonic and so forth) .....that happened to work in the companies advertising department....or even more likely .....just that stores manager wanting to get more reserves.


oh...and whoever made it was dumb because it's made to look like an actual game cover....but it has the wrong banner at the top (where it says "Wii")

[Cream Filling]

Hylian-Advocate person

would you want them to include an online mode if it was half-assed?
if it's set up so its difficult to start a match or it lags and messes with the gameplay I'd rather there be no online.
with the single player being more fleshed out this time
they might not be able to give the online part the attention it would need.

[Zeep]

Hylian-Advocate person

would you want them to include an online mode if it was half-assed?
if it's set up so its difficult to start a match or it lags and messes with the gameplay I'd rather there be no online.
with the single player being more fleshed out this time
they might not be able to give the online part the attention it would need.

there is no correct answer to that question. if there was no online, everyone would be pissed. if there was crappy online, everyone would be pissed. what HA is saying is that there's no reason there shouldn't be GOOD online.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^that's my point..... there is no reason why the game should lag unless the player has a faulty connection..... there are plenty of multiplayer games that have way more going on in much larger environments and they play fine.....plus... like I said.... strikers charged is a multiplayer game on Wii.....where you can even have two players on the same Wii while playing online...and it works great and as lag free as any other game....

and.....there is no reason it would be hard to start a match when you have DS games like Metroid Prime hunters which worked great even with the dumb friend codes.....you can still play instant ranked matches against random strangers

and......no I wouldn't necessarily want a half-assed online mode....but how hard would it be for this game.....you already have the multiplayer maps....all you have to do is create the user interface and a little code.... I mea....for most games, it requires a ton of development just to get the maps and levels for multiplayer worked out and fun to play...but this game is already a multiplyer game at heart....hence the very very very easy transition to online......

you see what I mean.....I just don't really see a reason why there wouldn't be online....

lol.... I think I am having too much fun rambling.....but heh.....I really do think what I am saying has merit...and I will be completely shocked and you could all laugh at me if there is no online.




anyway...new update is pretty sweet....from the loooks of it.....ike looks like he plays similar to Roy.... especially considering he charges his standard special attack like Roy did.

[Mirai]

I don't know, I get the feeling he's gonna be playing really differently to Roy.

[Viper]

Online was already confirmed. Long ago in fact.

[Phoenix]

OK, I think Roy is as good as gone. Judging by his standard special move, I think he's either going to play a lot like Roy, or a lot like Eddie Van Halen. :P

[Shadow Voa]

Not even going to speak about Roy or Marth this time. We will see who is in and out sooner or later. But I remember saying this to Phoenix that using the critical animations as an idea would work well with the FE characters.

Of course no actual critical hits mind you, but performing Aether and the Eruption really does lend it self well to that idea.

[Phoenix]

I still find it odd that Metaknight and Snake are not on the site yet. They've already announced five characters on that site and they haven't even included all of the old news characters yet.

[Shadow Voa]

They are so brand spanking new they just dont want to give away move sets or anything perhaps?

Though Snake has the Rocket Launcher for certain as a move, most likely B + Down.

[Phoenix]

Or his down smash.

I mean they aren't on the site... at all. Even without movesets.

[Zeep]

We've gone through 100 posts in this thread in under a week. And the updates just keep getting better. Somehow I'm thinking traffic on this forum is going to drop drastically once the game actually comes out.

[Phoenix]

But that'll only be because we're all too busy playing the crap out of this game.

[Hylian-Advocate]

Online was already confirmed. Long ago in fact.

I know...but people are still doubting it's practically inevitable existence....

I assume you are talking about when Nintendo said it would be online at E3 two years ago.... well..three E3s ago I mean..... people think that just because they said it would be a lunch game...and it wasn't...that it meant that they could also be fibbing about the game having internet too....

that's not the case...games get delayed all the time...I mean....Metroid Prime 3 was supposed to be a launch title as well....

[Viper]

True.

E3 06 was the first confirmation but it's been stated a few times even since then. Granted they haven't elaborated on it yet but with several big game conventions coming and the Dojo being the official news release portal, it will eventually come to light.

[Phoenix]

They've said they're very far along with it. Assuming they don't pull a Resident Evil 4, I don't predict a delay.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^really...where did they say that..... having a quote like that would help me be a lot more convincing of Brawl-Net without all these elaborate explanations...hehe.... but also wouldn't be as much fun.


By the wa....new update....

"Kid Icarus: The Underworld" (1:06)

You can play Kid Icarus on Virtual Console now. Have you tried it? You should really get a hold of this game and just sink your teeth in.

In terms of music, I think the most memorable themes for players were the Grim Reaper theme and the Game Over theme.

For this arrangement, I had these themes incorporated.

You might imagine it to be a bit forced, but I think it sounds quite good.

[Zeep]

good song, but it sould even more clearly midi than the previous songs.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^thats what I thought..... I am starting to wonder if I should be worried about the music.......

keep in mind, though..... I don't mean all that worried.....because I really could care less if the music isn't as fantastic as the orchestrations in Melee.....as long as the game plays freakin' sweet and the songs don't completely suck....

and so far they haven't been anywhere near completely sucking..... so just a slight, slight let down so far.

[Lynk Former]

Why should you worry about the music if it sounds midi? I mean we are talking about games that are known for their midi scores and Smash Bros is a celebration of all things oldskool in videogames.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Yeh that song is awesome! I played Kid Icarus for the first time on the Virtual Console, so Im glad I was quick enough to be able to recognise the song.

Midi's really arnt that bad. They really do sound like the real thing, only because they are 'too perfect' you can tell theyre not real orchestrations. Well, I really don't know because I cant really tell the difference. But to me, thats a good thing :)

[Generosity of God]

great KI music. it makes me imagine a 3rd person action adventure Kid Icarus where that music is used for the 'Hyrule Field' of the game.

i dont see any problem with the music being Midi. it's not like they are as simple as their original NES versions.

[Phoenix]

Is this game's music going to be MIDI, and was SSBM's MIDI? If it was, I am very impressed and not worried at all.

[Unspoken]

"The Underworld" sounds like something from the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, or the Peabody segments at least.


I desperately want this game's score in full orchestration. I believe that orchestrated pieces make gameplay more intense. For example, I remember facing Ganondorf and not being fazed by his presence. However, in Kingdom Hearts 2, even in small battles, I could feel the intensity building.

If they do use MIDI, combine the realism of SSBM's soundtrack and the genius of TP's remixes, and I think it will be great.

[Ch1cago88]

Kid Icarus is an over rated game, just like Nights. We need this character in Brawl and in another installment on the Wii.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Ch1cago88/Olimar.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Ch1cago88/Pikmin.jpg

[Unspoken]

Hmmm, I could see maybe an assist trophy for this, but there's no way that you could play as them, seeing as how they're so tiny.


Haha, watch as a bunch of Pikmin come up from the ground and grab a character to throw him off the nearest ledge. That would be pretty awesome. Then to finish it off, a space ship would come down and pick up the Pikmin when it's done. It would also pick up characters if they're still being carried by the Pikmin. :)

[Hylian-Advocate]

Why should you worry about the music if it sounds midi? I mean we are talking about games that are known for their midi scores and Smash Bros is a celebration of all things oldskool in videogames.

Like I said...its really only a slight disappointment....nothing big really....

but having orchestrated music helps games have that uber polished and epic feel....

and they do sound a bit different...because you can do things with midi that real instruments can't do..... I would love it if they did a combination of midi and orchestrated...just for that reason....to play off of each's strengths.

[Phoenix]

I know cosmetic things like music don't matter as much as the gameplay itself, but as a musician myself I kind of appreciate orchestrated music in games a lot.

[Unspoken]

I know cosmetic things like music don't matter as much as the gameplay itself, but as a musician myself I kind of appreciate orchestrated music in games a lot.

[Lynk Former]

The definition of what "orchestrated" means in a videogame is extremely clouded at the moment... orchestrated as in a live recording or orchestrated as in synthesized instruments?

[Phoenix]

Orchestrated = recorded music
MIDI = synthesized

MIDI is more perfect, but orchestrated is more natural and emotional.

[Lynk Former]

...you missed my point... nevermind.

[Hylian-Advocate]

Pits Final Smash:

<Palutena’s Army>

Pit is the captain of Palutena’s Army, the guardians of the Goddess of Light! It’s said that when he raises his voice to heaven, this goddess will appear.

Goddess Palutena! I beseech you!

Now that’s what I call a deity. Look how big she is!
Well, I guess technically that’s not her actual size. She just chose to manifest herself as something that big.

Here come the flying Centurions...

Now, attack!

They divebomb at incredible speeds!
It’s very difficult to dodge a charge of Centurions, splitting the sky like a storm.

Then again, the Centurions scatter after they clash. They each make one attack and then fall in battle.
Their sacrifices are so...so moving...
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pretty cool I guess...a bunch of little doods flying around and attacking everyone at once.....I assume all these final smash moves are un shieldable....but some have looked more avoidable (ie jump out of the way) than some... with pits move...it sounds like it would be hard to avoid getting hit.

[Phoenix]

Seems interesting, but I'm worried that some Final Smashes will be too out there to be viable in most situations.

[Gilly]

New update:

Q: Why does it say MOTHER on this item?
A: Is there anything WRONG with having an item that says that?


The Franklin Badge. It’s a little small.


Just put it on your chest for now. I mean, it IS a badge...

It doesn’t stand out much, but characters who wear this badge are protected from projectiles.


I’ve been shot!


It... It bounced off!

In other words, this item gives you reflector capabilities—and you don’t even have to do anything. Talk about handy! And reliable!

But it won’t stay on through an entire match, so be sure to notice when it comes off partway through the match. Otherwise, you’ll regret it.


Come on, now! Where are you sticking that thing?

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I think this item is gonna be really cool.
Kinda like Fox and Falco's reflector, except no button pushing involved.
Probably'll be really useful, as well.

[Teh Roxor!]

It's the Franklin badge from Mother 3, not Mother 2. I'm going to assume there will be more Mother 3 stuff.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Cool. What does it do in the actual game? (Im not exactly a Mother veteran...)

Hmm, its a really cool item, but it seems useless for those of us who use characters with actual reflector moves. Oh well. Maybe its doublely-reflective for us?

[Teh Roxor!]

In Earthbound, Paula gives it to you so you can fight this Carpainter guy without being murdered by him. He uses a strong PK Thunder attack which would kill you normally. When you had the Franklin Badge the thunder would be reflected back and hit him instead.

[Zeep]

even for characters with a refector move, this will add an always-on reflector, instead of having to do the move each time.

[Phoenix]

That's pretty sweet. And for some reason the Kirby part on the site is adorable. "Come on now! Where are you sticking that thing?"

[Hylian-Advocate]

so... apparently some Japanese retailers and a reliable Japanese Magazine had listings for the game to come out on the 22nd of November in Japan..... and their listings confirmed online play.... I will try and find the links...

but I thought some people would find it nice that more sources are starting to confirm what I considered to be an inevitability....hehe

Link One:http://gamefront.de/
Link Two: http://gonintendo.com/?p=22773

[Zeep]

well, this is... interesting. Pokemon Trainer is a new fighter. he just sits on the sidelines and switches between controlling a squirtle, ivysaur, and charizard. at least it's good pokemon.

[OnBake Platinum]

Playing as Charizard is awesome. I need to see how this works before I decide it would have been better to have them as 3 separate characters.

[Lynk Former]

LOL @ Pokemon Trainer (it's Red, the original Pokemon Trainer too lol)

XD Brilliant!


EDIT: I'm gonna predict that you'll be able to change the way the character looks to reflect all of the playable characters that have appeared in the GBA Pokemon games.... maybe XD Or maybe just the male and female designs from the first versions of the game.

[Mirai]

Oh, that shit is fucking pimp!

[Generosity of God]

i like it.

about to get hit really hard? then switch before the hit lands. still have the same amount of damaged but you last that tiny bit longer. that's one use i can see.

also i'm guessing the other smash moves are different for each pokemon.

but you know what i really like about Pokemon Trainer. we can finally have realtime pokemon battles (if you didnt count Pikachu vs Jigglypuff vs Mewtwo vs Pichu before). sucks that it's not in an actual pokemon game but i'll take it.

[SuperLuigiBros]

^Yeh thats what I was thinking. Its the closest thing to a real Pokemon battle other than having a real time Pokemon RPG or something.

But this character seriously kicks ass. Im so excited to play as him and I dont even like Pokemon all that much. This guy may be a contender for my main playable character. It at least sounds like a lot of fun to play as him.

[gigabowser666]

Finally, I can play as Charizard, half of my dream came true :P

the other half is ridley lol

[BananaBabeQT]

Hmmm playing as the Pokemon trainer, that's def. something different. I'm not sure though I like how they rotate in and out in a certain order. So if you are playing as Squirtle and you need Charizard you have to waste time switching in and out Ivysaur. Nevertheless it looks pretty fun.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

The pokemon trainer character is definitely unique, but I don't know if I would like it either.

[Hisham]

Hmmm playing as the Pokemon trainer, that's def. something different. I'm not sure though I like how they rotate in and out in a certain order. So if you are playing as Squirtle and you need Charizard you have to waste time switching in and out Ivysaur. Nevertheless it looks pretty fun.

I woulda just rathered something like hold the block button, and then press up on the D-pad for one pokemon, left for another, and right for the third. It makes it better rather than cycling through them.

Sounds intresting though, wonder how it will all work.

[Hylian-Advocate]

hmm.....very interesting indeed....

However... what happens on scrolling levels...like on the Dk Blast level that scrolls upward?..... does the trainer actually (ash or whatever) have automatic jumping animations..... I mean.... he can't just levitate as you go up.

Also... I just can't really imagine what kinda moves each pokemon will be able to do..... it seems like charizard would probably be kind of slow...

also....does this mean that this character will have three different final smashes?....

this is by far the most unique addition yet.

[Phoenix]

Now that is certainly a novel idea. Sounds pretty cool, but I'd imagine needing to shift in a certain order would get in the way. Also there's the tendency that more unusual fighters tend to be less viable, though, which could be bad. It'd be a shame if this ends up a useless character. Also, how would this guy be knocked out? When he loses his Pokémon, does he just send them back out, or does he become vulnerable to actually being knocked out?

[SuperLuigiBros]

I suspect hes not going to be on the level. At the start maybe he'll be there and throw down a Pokeball and then jump off screen, and whenever you change pokemon or your pokemon 'faints' he'll jump out and switch over.

What would be cool is if you wanted to use a specific pokemon at the start of the match, and you could determine that by what costume he wears. I know with Zelda you could hold down+b or something just before the match started and you'd turn into Sheik (in Melee). But because theres 3 that wouldnt really work unless there are different button presses to hold.

As for the pokemon themselves... they'll obviously have their separate move sets (water, grass, fire) but they'll probably each be a bit more powerful but less agile as the one before. Sort of like clones. Or maybe theyll all have those lame non-element moves as their normal attack (like cut/body slam/etc) and their final smash will be the particular special move; Water Cannon (or whatever) for Squirtle, Solar Beam for Ivysaur and Flamethrower for Charizard.

[Phoenix]

It'd be sweet if his final smash was sending out a fourth really strong Pokémon to wreck havoc, rather than the three of them having their own individual final smashes.

[ninnin]

I think the Pokemon will just be like Pikachu but with their own signature moves. But as for Final Smash I have no clue, probably a special move.

[SuperLuigiBros]

It would be cool if they all evolved to their last form (not so cool for Charizard I suppose) and fucked everyone up. I spose theyd have to return to their old forms once again so they disobey their master and run away and then a new squirtle and ivysaur came up (the Charizard was good and stayed).

....I just wanna see a Pokemon evolve. That would be a sweet final smash.

[Unspoken]

Pretty sure all it will be is just all three Pokemon coming out and tearing the hell out of everyone else, maybe finishing with an awesome triple-action attack.

Like, Hydro Pump + Solar Beam + Fire Spin = Final Smash.

[Lynk Former]

Hydro Pump, Solar Beam and especially Fire Spin aren't very out there or rare moves for the original starters... I'm guessing that the Final Smashes will be elemental hyper beams.

Grass = Frenzy Plant
Fire = Blast Burn
Water = Hydro Cannon

But then when I think about it those moves can only be learned by final evolution pokemon... *thinks* maybe the final smash would get all 3 pokemon out to do some combined attack *shrugs*

[Unspoken]

Hmmm...


Thought crossed my mind. What if the Trainer could "catch" Pokemon that come out of the Pokeballs in a match?

Like, they could catch one when it emerges, then use it when they so choose throughout the match.


As for the triple attack thing, I haven't played much Pokemon to know of all the attacks, but I'm guessing that those three I mentioned could be prettied up to intertwine, especially with the likes of Fire Spin added.

[Gilly]

New Assist Trophy:

Devil

It’s the devil from the NES game, Devil World! This particular game was never released in the United States, actually.

Anyway, when this evil guy shows up, you know it’s time for... What does he do again?

Well, he certainly appears to be in good shape.

After he ascends with his bat wings, he’ll move to a determined spot on the screen. Then he’ll jab his fingers up over his head!

To the side! He’s pointing to the side!

And now the screen scrolls!

In Smash Bros., going off the screen means you’re out of the ring, and breaking that rule is very problematic.

So what happens then? Extreme panic and new strategies.

Maybe something like this!

Here’s an Assist Trophy that throws common sense out the window. I mean, he’s not assisting at all!

[Zeep]

haha, i like it. *imagines 4 players fighting for a tiny area of platform*

[Hylian-Advocate]

haha...... thats going to be insane... watching everyone running in the direction hes pointing like "Simon Says"...hoping they won't be forced off the edge.

[Mirai]

Now that's obscure. Should be an interesting edition though...

[Lynk Former]

haha, i like it. *imagines 4 players fighting for a tiny area of platform*

I can imagine matches where players just go "AW FUCK! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" XD I love it, it's cause gonna so many problems for people, it's great!

[Phoenix]

This guy (or someone from his game) I believe was a Japanese trophy taken out of the American version in case anyone would be offended by it. I guess they got past that.

[Hylian-Advocate]

STICKERS:

I’d like to introduce a new collection element to the game—stickers.
Yes, the ones you slap on your notebook or skateboard or whatever. Stickers.

screenshot

This...is a sticker.
Stickers are easier to get a hold of than trophies. Just play the game and you’ll start to earn them as rewards.

screenshot

Stickers get filed away in your album.
There are big ones and small ones, all with different kinds of artwork. There’s a ton of variety.

screenshot

Now stick one on! Sticky, sticky...
This is a fun extra mode where you can enjoy decorating things by putting stickers on them. You can even make single frame comics with them.

screenshot

And rumor is, you can even save screenshots?!

screenshot
screenshot

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sweet.... I don't know why....but I really loved the whole collectables in melee.....and now there is even more....

I wonder how many there are and what more you play to get them..... also..... I hope there is a way to manage them and see how many you have left to get like the trophies.

[Zeep]

it's probably safe to assume that the stickers are based on items and characters that are found in the game, which would mean that post may have unintentionally revealed a few new items. there are what appear to be a mario party dice block as well as professor lobe or whatever his name is from big brain academy. both seem like likely choices for items/assist trophies.

[Gilly]

Bastard.
I was just going to post this.

sounds kinda cool, I guess.
would be even better if you could use a few Wii points and have them mailed to you or something.

[Lynk Former]

You can save screenshots he says?... Like the kind you can save on your SD card???

[Hylian-Advocate]

^probably that...and.......likely onto the message boards to send to friends.....via the internet.

[Lynk Former]

...or swap directly with people over WiiConnect24.

[Mirai]

it's probably safe to assume that the stickers are based on items and characters that are found in the game, which would mean that post may have unintentionally revealed a few new items. there are what appear to be a mario party dice block as well as professor lobe or whatever his name is from big brain academy. both seem like likely choices for items/assist trophies.

I think that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves. The same logic could have been used for the Trophies in Melee, but we know that's not true. If anything, I think this will be where we'll see even more obscure characters and objects that wouldn't make it as assist trophies or items.

Overall, I'm a little disappointed in this, not quite sure why...

[SuperLuigiBros]

This is awesome! More unlockables = more awesomeness. I would seriously play for like 10 hours just to unlock one sticker. w00t!

And I also thought something along the lines of what Zeep was thinking, only not as extreme. It does seem like the stickers are a way to show of some cool pictures (like artwork of other games, for example the Mario Strickers Charged sticker and the Paper Mario one), but when Zeep said they may have unintentionally revealed some things, I think they have intentionally hinted at certain things. The Mario Party block could be an item, or we may see some other item from the Mairo Party games. One reason I want this to be true is because the equal 2 things on my most wanted list is Cel shaded Link as a character and Paper Mario as a character. The Hawk wrestler (cant remember his full name) from Paper Mario is in sticker form and I really really want this to be a hint for Paper mario as a character.

[ninnin]

I think there will still be trophies because of the adventure mode. I remember seeing a trophy Kirby. But who knows what that could mean?

[KeyBlade]

I really cant wait to see what characters and items they have added, I just can't stop thinking about it

[Hylian-Advocate]

I think there will still be trophies because of the adventure mode. I remember seeing a trophy Kirby. But who knows what that could mean?

nobody ever said stickers were taking the place of trophies.....

in fact....I believe he said that the stickers would be in addition to the trophies.... or ...he basically alluded to that.

"Stickers are easier to get a hold of than trophies. Just play the game and you’ll start to earn them as rewards."

plus..... you have assist trophies in the game as items....meaning the idea of trophies are still there.......

There is no way they would completely take them out...so don't fret.....

What I was just thinking about though.... I wonder if you can only use assist trophies as you find their corresponding trophies by playing through the game.....like...when you find a new trophy....that could then be used in the multiplayer as an item this is probably not the case...but it might be interesting if it were.

[ninnin]

nobody ever said stickers were taking the place of trophies.....

in fact....I believe he said that the stickers would be in addition to the trophies.... or ...he basically alluded to that.

"Stickers are easier to get a hold of than trophies. Just play the game and you’ll start to earn them as rewards."

plus..... you have assist trophies in the game as items....meaning the idea of trophies are still there.......

There is no way they would completely take them out...so don't fret.....

What I was just thinking about though.... I wonder if you can only use assist trophies as you find their corresponding trophies by playing through the game.....like...when you find a new trophy....that could then be used in the multiplayer as an item this is probably not the case...but it might be interesting if it were.

oh okay I see what you mean

[Phoenix]

I hope they don't take out trophies. Stickers look really cool, but the trophies were beyond awesome in Melee.

[Viper]

Trophies are still in the game. This has been confirmed. The stickers are just an extra feature.

[Phoenix]

Then I have nothing to say but "totally awesome" to that.

[Hylian-Advocate]

How to Play:
Tether Recovery

You know that Zero Suit Samus has a Plasma Whip, right? But you may not know that she can use it for recovery.

Samus is falling! This looks bad!

She uses her up special move! She just manages to latch on!

Whew, that was a close one.

She can retract it to bring her to the ledge.

Moves like that can be pretty thrilling. And it’s not exclusive to Zero Suit Samus... Other characters can do it, too!
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meh......boring update...but I don't mind.... I still think they are giving almost too much away...... I wouldn't care if much was normal stuff like this.

[Lynk Former]

Nothing new, you could do that in Melee anywayz.

[ninnin]

" Other characters can do it, too!"

Is this a hint of new characters were not thinking? I might be going ahead of myself but I can't think of any others that would use this ability.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Link uses it with his hook shot. And hopefully Cel-shaded Link uses it with his grappling hook. *hopes*

[ninnin]

Yeah that came to my mind after I posted that but I was woundering if anyone else that has been confirmed could use that kind of ability.

[<3frosty]

Isnt there some angel dude that has a bow and arrow? Why cant he use it?

[Hylian-Advocate]

Isnt there some angel dude that has a bow and arrow? Why cant he use it?

yes..... the character you are thinking of is Pit.... he has a bow..... technically I guess he could have arrows with some sort of cables...but I don't know.... hes already pretty decked out in terms of gadgets and abilities.... I mean....with his wings...he can glide back to the stage in many cases.

To be honest... at the moment... I can't think of any other characters that would also have this ability...

....except for maybe Yoshi's tongue.

[Phoenix]

....except for maybe Yoshi's tongue.I would say that would be far too painful to be viable, but then again I imagine swallowing a creature your size or bigger whole and laying it as an egg would be too, so you never know.

[ninnin]

I can picture Ivysour using this ability

[Delirious]

I just thought of something cool for kirby users. They should let kirby be able to swallow any pokemon from pokeballs and use their abilities.

[<3frosty]

I just thought of something cool for kirby users. They should let kirby be able to swallow any pokemon from pokeballs and use their abilities.

That would be pretty good.

[Dakota Grabowski]

Here are some questions (that are unanswered by the dev team officially) that I would like to hear about from the Smash community.

#1. Will Zelda still have her Sheik transformation?
#2. Will Young Link have an appearance?
#3. With Ike replacing Marth, will Eliwood replace Roy? Or maybe another Fire Emblem character?
#4. What are your thoughts on more Pokemon like Mewtwo, Pichu, Jigglypuff? Maybe replace them? What about Deoxys, Jirachi, Celebi, Mew, or Palkia?
#5. Opinion on Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, and Dr. Mario making their return?
#6. Why no Captain Olimer or Tom Nook?
#7. Would you support Tingle making an appearance?
#8. Why no Diddy Kong or Dixie Kong?
#9. Why no King Dedede?
#10. Any of these characters sound decent in addition -- Wart, Kamek, Kammy, Koopalings (from SMB3)
#11. Do you support Waluigi's addition?
#12. If Falco doesn't make it (so far no official confirmation) would you support Crystal taking his place?
#13. General Scales a good enough villain to add?
#14. Why no Golden Sun characters?
#15. Do you support the addition of Little Mac?

[Phoenix]

My opinions are in bold.Here are some questions (that are unanswered by the dev team officially) that I would like to hear about from the Smash community.

#1. Will Zelda still have her Sheik transformation? - I think so. They've unofficially confirmed Sheik being in the game. Whether or not it's Zelda transformed is unmentioned.
#2. Will Young Link have an appearance? - I doubt it.
#3. With Ike replacing Marth, will Eliwood replace Roy? Or maybe another Fire Emblem character? - I think Ike will be in and Marth and Roy out. Perhaps they will add another Fire Emblem character (my money on Hector or Ephraim, or someone from 10 if it's out soon enough.)
#4. What are your thoughts on more Pokemon like Mewtwo, Pichu, Jigglypuff? Maybe replace them? What about Deoxys, Jirachi, Celebi, Mew, or Palkia? - I think Pikachu and Jigglypuff will remain, but the others will likely be removed or replaced. I think Lucario is the most likely addition of any.
#5. Opinion on Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, and Dr. Mario making their return? - I want them all out, and Dr. Mario being an optional costume for Mario possibly.
#6. Why no Captain Olimer or Tom Nook? - Personally I'd love to see both of them, but they would be difficult to make normal movesets to. There are only so many ways to break someone's kneecaps with an oar as Tom Nook.
#7. Would you support Tingle making an appearance? - Sure, but probably not playable.
#8. Why no Diddy Kong or Dixie Kong? - I am pretty sure Diddy will make it, although not necessarily as a playable character.
#9. Why no King Dedede? - Assist Trophy probably.
#10. Any of these characters sound decent in addition -- Wart, Kamek, Kammy, Koopalings (from SMB3) - Kamek or Kammy would be sweet. The Koopalings are cool, and should have some minor role. Wart sucks; take him out.
#11. Do you support Waluigi's addition? - Hell no.
#12. If Falco doesn't make it (so far no official confirmation) would you support Crystal taking his place? - I love Krystal, so yes, very much. I use Falco in Melee, though Krystal is cooler and I can always use Fox if he's taken out.
#13. General Scales a good enough villain to add? - Don't remember/know who that is.
#14. Why no Golden Sun characters? - Would be pretty cool, but sadly the games are almost into the obscurity spectrum these days.
#15. Do you support the addition of Little Mac? - Absolutely. It would be really neat.

[ninnin]

Krystal would be the best new character IMO. As long as she has her staff and it's special attacks!!

[Cofey]

I don't want Krystal. She would remind me too much of Star Fox Adventure and what a terrible game that was.

[Dakota Grabowski]

Here are all the characters I proposed in that last post. This is how I'd rank them.

1. Wart
http://www.mariosmythology.com/divers/dico/images/wart.jpg

2. Captain Olimar
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/99/200px-Olimarart.jpg

3. Diddy Kong
http://mutako2.blog.jeuxvideo.com/images/mn/1123587806.jpg

4. Kamek or Kammy
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/72/180px-Kamekbroom.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/2b/200px-Kammy_Koopa.jpg

5. Koopalings
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/SevenKoopalings.jpg

6. King Dedede
http://knd.ngamer.net/chark/main/dedede2.gif

7. Golden Sun Characters
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/GSIsaac.jpg

8. Crystal
http://www.universo-nintendo.com/files/Imagenes/Krystal_StarFox_Assault.jpg

9. Little Mac
http://www.n-philes.com/m/news/ttns/cp/punchout/mtpomacdoc.jpg

10. Tom Nook
http://powet.tv/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/tanukichi.jpg

11. Dixie Kong
http://www.nintendopedia.org/images/9/96/DixieKong.jpg

12. New Pokemon

13. General Scales
http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/gc/starfoxadv/scales.jpg

14. Waluigi
http://www.detstar.com/files/features/supersmashbrosbrawl/waluigi.jpg

15. Tingle
http://main.zeldafront.com/pages/radio/tingle.jpg

[Cofey]

#1. Will Zelda still have her Sheik transformation?
I think so.
#2. Will Young Link have an appearance?
Hopefully as Wind Waker Link. Say what you will, I think that would be awesome.
#3. With Ike replacing Marth, will Eliwood replace Roy? Or maybe another Fire Emblem character?
Marth hasn't been officially ousted yet, and I don't think he will be. Roy maybe, but Marth was a pretty unique character. I'd really like to see a Laguz character, like Mordecai.
#4. What are your thoughts on more Pokemon like Mewtwo, Pichu, Jigglypuff? Maybe replace them? What about Deoxys, Jirachi, Celebi, Mew, or Palkia?
The Pokemon Trainer was a great idea, but let's leave it at that. No need to flood the roster with an excess of pokemon. I really hope Jigglypuff is out, and I really REALLY hope Pichu is out.
#5. Opinion on Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, and Dr. Mario making their return?
I love Game & Watch. I wouldn't care either way if the Ice Climbers left. Dr. Mario is unnecessary as he currently is, but if he was given his own moves I'd say keep him.
#6. Why no Captain Olimer or Tom Nook?
Because they would both be awful in this game. I mean, come on, what can they really do? I wouldn't mind them as assist trophy characters though.
#7. Would you support Tingle making an appearance?
NO!
#8. Why no Diddy Kong or Dixie Kong?
I wouldn't object to either of these. I have a strong feeling Diddy will be in - he's been in a lot of Mario spin-off titles lately. I'd also like Cranky and K. Rool.
#9. Why no King Dedede?
I hope he's in. I think it depends on how big Sakurai wants to keep the roster. If it isn't much bigger than Melee's, don't hold your breath. I mean, he's not THAT popular.
#10. Any of these characters sound decent in addition -- Wart, Kamek, Kammy, Koopalings (from SMB3)
Koopalings! Man, I want them to make a comeback in the worst way. Wart would be cool too.
#11. Do you support Waluigi's addition?
See Tingle.
#12. If Falco doesn't make it (so far no official confirmation) would you support Crystal taking his place?
NO NO NO! Bring in Peppy instead!!!
#13. General Scales a good enough villain to add?
Please, let's just try to forget SFA altogether. Pretty please?
#14. Why no Golden Sun characters?
I would love to see them, but again, don't hold your breath.
#15. Do you support the addition of Little Mac?
Yeah, he'd be perfect for a fighting game....considering he's a character from a fighting game....yeah.

[Teh Roxor!]

#1. Will Zelda still have her Sheik transformation?

Probably, it looks like they are using the Twilight Princess Zelda though.

#2. Will Young Link have an appearance?

I think so.

#3. With Ike replacing Marth, will Eliwood replace Roy? Or maybe another Fire
Emblem character?

Ike replaced Marth? He probably did, but I don't see that confirmed anywhere.

#4. What are your thoughts on more Pokemon like Mewtwo, Pichu, Jigglypuff?

Maybe replace them? What about Deoxys, Jirachi, Celebi, Mew, or Palkia?

I'll be upset if they lose Jigglypuff. I don't care otherwise.

#5. Opinion on Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, and Dr. Mario making their return?

I'll be upset if they lose the Ice Climbers. I don't care otherwise.

#6. Why no Captain Olimer or Tom Nook?

Captain Olimer is very tiny, and Animal Crossing isn't a fun game. ;)

#7. Would you support Tingle making an appearance?

I don't care.

#8. Why no Diddy Kong or Dixie Kong?

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!

#9. Why no King Dedede?

Ditto.

#10. Any of these characters sound decent in addition -- Wart, Kamek, Kammy, Koopalings (from SMB3)

I like em' all.

#11. Do you support Waluigi's addition?

I'd like Waluigi to fall in a well and die.

#12. If Falco doesn't make it (so far no official confirmation) would you support Crystal[sic] taking his place?

I'd like more Star Fox characters in general. Krystal would work well, she seems more like a fighter than Peppy or Slippy. I'd like to see Wolf added.

#13. General Scales a good enough villain to add?

Scales didn't ever do anything in that game if I remember correctly. I seem to remember a part of that game where it seemed as though you were about to fight him, but Rare was like "ah, fuck it" and gave some horrible cop out reason not to and then proceeded to create the most hilariously rushed ending in a video game in recent times. What was the question again?

#14. Why no Golden Sun characters?

Not relevant enough, I suppose.

#15. Do you support the addition of Little Mac?
:thumbl:

[Phoenix]

I kept my mouth shut after one time, but after the mistake was made twice, I feel the need to point out "Krystal" having a K.

[ninnin]

Little Mac would kick so much ass!

[Phoenix]

No he'd punch it.

[Dakota Grabowski]

ahh I don't care how they spell her name lmao.

[Cofey]

Please no clones. I'll give all of my other potential problems a rest as long as there are no clones.

And that includes Luigi. If you really think he's that different from Mario you're deluding yourself. They could make him so much more original.

[Phoenix]

I think he's perfect. He's close enough to be befitting of Mario's brother, yet different enough to require a mostly different play style. After all, what was he originally besides a palette-swap of his brother?

[bobo_ess]

i'd rather KK. atleast he has a weapon, what would tom nook have?

i hope marth wasn't replaced, tibarn would be awesome too

[Hylian-Advocate]

Characters
Peach

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach.jpg

The princess of the Mushroom Kingdom, Peach is once again joining the battle! She’ll do what she has to, even when she’s all dressed up.

She can silence both Mario and Bowser with her floating jumps and Toad defense. This is no time to get kidnapped.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach_070817c-l.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach_070817d-l.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach_070817a-l.jpg http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach_070817b-l.jpg
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My Comments:
notice this last picture is in an unannounced stage... looks like it may be a .....jungle.......like...DK Jungle?....because it doesn't look quite like DK rumble....well maybe

[Bsack]

That's awesome. Toad defense....HaHaHa!

From a post above; I'd like to see the Koopalings again somewhere down the road. It's been a very long time since any of those guys made an appearance onto a game.

I think they should add Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Daisy, etc. It would only make sense to add them, but I wouldn't add Dixie because I never liked her.

[Phoenix]

I must say, Peach looks really good. Kudos to their artists.

[Lynk Former]

Yeah, it surprised me how good Peach looks, rwar.

[Mirai]

When I read some comments by some people in the Smash community, I pray to God no one like these have made it into the Smash development team...

[Dakota Grabowski]

That's awesome. Toad defense....HaHaHa!

From a post above; I'd like to see the Koopalings again somewhere down the road. It's been a very long time since any of those guys made an appearance onto a game.

I think they should add Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Daisy, etc. It would only make sense to add them, but I wouldn't add Dixie because I never liked her.

I hate Bowser Jr. I'd rather have a Koopaling join the fray rather than his lame inclusion.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Krystal isn't all that great. Ill repeat what Ive said a million times:

Paper Mario and Cel-shaded Link are the equal two highest priorities on my list. Equal second on that list is Isaac from Golden Sun and Andy (or anyone else really) from Advance Wars.

Diddy should be there, and Kamek would be friggen awesome. Captain Olimar or a bunch of Pikmin will be in there, hopefully not just as an assist trophy. Falco better still be in, but at the very least he better not be replaced by Krystal.

Would be pretty cool, but sadly the games are almost into the obscurity spectrum these days.
What about Roy and Marth when Melee came out? What about Game & Watch? I don't think thats too much of a concern for them.

Peach looks cool, and lastly:
http://www.pbfcomics.com/archive/PBF088AD-Punch_Bout.gif

[BananaBabeQT]

Characters
Peach

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach_070817c-l.jpg


Fart attack?.....

Peach looks awesome, she was always fun to play with so I'm glad she's back.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Thats not a fart attack, its a girly hip bump...thing....

I always found her too weird to play with.

[OnBake Platinum]

If they do use Krystal, it better be the SFA design, not the fugged up ones they've used since.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

so she does nothing new? :(

[KeyBlade]

I could imagine Zero from the mega man series being in the battle, you know using all of his abilitys and plasma sword. and Krystal I think could be a exellencet character mabe using her staff from star fox adventures.

[Phoenix]

What about Roy and Marth when Melee came out? What about Game & Watch? I don't think thats too much of a concern for them.Roy's game came out rather recently when SSBM was out. Fire Emblem is pretty big in Japan, and Marth was the "original" hero. You have a point with Game & Watch, but look how that turned out. Almost no one plays him. I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool to have anyone from Golden Sun, I'm just saying you shouldn't get your hopes up.If they do use Krystal, it better be the SFA design, not the fugged up ones they've used since.If they do, they probably will. Considering I doubt they'll include yet another character whose whole shtick is overly-flexible-talking-animal-kicks-and-shoots-things-with-lasers, they'd most likely opt for fighting with the staff, and with that they'd probably go with the SFA design rather than the more lame design.so she does nothing new? :(Not yet, but they haven't even shown everything about her. Only time will tell.

[Hylian-Advocate]

I personally am most excited for the possibilities of an Olimar and pikmin character.....which I hope is in the game...... somehow I thinks its almost a given.

[Phoenix]

To the people who think Olimar's size will prevent him from being in the game: Here are some confirmed height statistics for three particular Melee characters.

Pikachu: 1'04"
Jigglypuff: 1'08"
Pichu: 1'00"

They couldn't possibly be truly to scale like that, so they are made larger. Why couldn't Olimar?

[Lucent Beam]

Peach looks terribly cute, but so far, year her moves look the same.
That's ok because I like her anyway.
I have to say though, when the update is something 'old' like Peach, I feel a little gypped.

[ninnin]

To the people who think Olimar's size will prevent him from being in the game: Here are some confirmed height statistics for four particular Melee characters.

Pikachu: 1'04"
Jigglypuff: 1'08"
Pichu: 1'00"

They couldn't possibly be truly to scale like that, so they are made larger. Why couldn't Olimar?

Yeah I would picture Olimar being a little taller then Pikachu not a microscoptic guy like in the two Pikmin games.

[Mirai]

Comparing Golden Sun to Fire Emblem and Game & Watch is a bit of a stretch.

Fire Emblem is a franchise spanning ten games and almost two decades by now, and is incredibly popular in Japan.

Game & Watch is a throwback to retro gaming and Nintendo's history, much like the Ice Climbers.

While the Golden Sun games are indeed great, they do not have the significance of those other additions to the Smash franchise.

Link's moves are up. A little more explanation of the tether recovery and how they'll differ in this game.

Something that should be added when people dismissed Samus' tether recovery as something she could do before, make sure you note that it hints at a new move for her, as her tether recovery is apparently her up special move...

[SuperLuigiBros]

Yeh Link is looking cool. I liked using him before, and although he looks like he'll play a bit differently he still looks fun.

[Lynk Former]

So let's see...

The Gale Boomerang will pull foes in, which means that it'll be great for pulling them in for a charged smash.

The Bow is gonna fire faster, don't know about the strength though.

The Bomb looks meatier than the old ones, so it may be a little more powerful.

The Spin Attack can be charged, it'll be nice to use it along with the Gale Boomerang and is also nice as another charged attack.

Clawshot is gonna be great, especially for recoveries since Link wasn't all that great in that regard back in Melee.

[Phoenix]

The bow was way too slow. Now it might actually be useful.

[Hylian-Advocate]

I like the new homing tethers....... that should be sweet. I could never time the the thering in melee very well....... probably because I never played a charter that could do it long enough.

[Mirai]

It looks like a fair few characters will be siding with the Subspace Army. First Meta Knight (I assume, since the Subspace Army is somehow connected to the Halberd) and now Petey Piranha...

Oh dear God, now we have to put up with people using this as confirmation that Petey Piranha is a playable character...

[SuperLuigiBros]

He's in the video? My internet is shit and I can't watch it yet.

Petey Piranha is a kinda cool character, but I always thought they used him too much. He's in Mario Tennis on GC, Mario Kart DD and uhhh... a few more.

Ill have to watch the movie some other time then. Shit! What happens in it?

[Lynk Former]

Yeah, it looks like all the bad guys against all the good guys. I'm still not 100% sure about it, but I'm pretty sure I spotted Bowser and someone else (forgot who, refer to one of my previous posts to find out lol) on the Halberd on the first vid.

[Hylian-Advocate]

and.....R.O.B. is in the movie.....

I personally don't think that everyone that is in the single player game is necessarily a playable character.... I mean.... honestly....how could you play as a R.O.B. But it is funny to see him in the game I guess....

Petey Piranha has more of a chance at being a playable.... although...hes HUGE in this vid.

[Lynk Former]

R.O.B HAS BETRAYED US!! *bangs fists on table*

[Mirai]

If this single player is going to be worth the time to play it, then nowhere near every character that appears in it will be a playable character.

We should see a lot of characters that wouldn't have the depth and popularity of the playable characters appearing as enemies and bosses in the single player game.

To me, this is more of a confirmation that Petey won't be playable than anything.

[Unspoken]

I agree with Dee Dubya on that one. Petey Piranha's probability of playability: pretty puny (ah, alliteration is awesome).

More so, he will probably be a boss character, hence the princesses being caged. Also, maybe this will be part of simultaneous 4-player co-op?



Think about it: four players combating against a common foe. Randomly, a player or two may be unable to brawl (princesses being captured), which the responsibility of saving them would fall on the remaining character(s).

Not every round would be like that, but important rounds that have story-relied parts could.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^hmmm... I like that idea...co-op would be wicked sweet!

[SuperLuigiBros]

Wheres the update? :(
It should have been here an hour ago. :(:(

[Lynk Former]

Diddy Kong! *points*

[SuperLuigiBros]

I guess I was impatient...

*clears throat*

Awesome!

We all knew he was coming. And since they are apparently thinking along the same lines as us I can only assume I'm right in hoping for Cel-shaded Link and Paper Mario.

I never really realised until just now, but Diddy Kong could be a really cool character. He'll be fast, he'll have a distance attack or two and hopefully he'll be strong. But really hopefully his smash attack will be the cartwheel. Woo!

[Phoenix]

Diddy looks like he'll be a very interesting character. I'll probably rarely use him, but whatever.

So what is this, three new announced characters before Meta Knight and Snake are put on the site?

[SuperLuigiBros]

I guess they have some special surprises to show off for them, especially considering they are really new (as opposed to Zelda, Peach, Bowser, etc) and we have no clue as to what their fighting style will be like.

I guess what Im trying to say is that we pretty much knew how Bowser, Peach, etc would fight but they want to keep Snake and Meta Knight a secret... for now.

Oh I forgot to mention that I finally saw the video and Petey Piranha looks totally badass.

[Lynk Former]

I was hoping he'd be teamed up with Dixie Kong, kinda like the Ice Climbers except you could switch between them like in the DKC series and you could use them together like the ice climbers for certain moves, but other moves were things only Diddy or Dixie could perform... either way *shrugs* it's still good.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Oh hey! Thats an awesome idea, switching between them like in DCK. +rep
Although Id much prefer it if he switched with DK rather than Dixie (DK >>>> Dixie) but that aint gonna happen.

[Gilly]

Awesome.
I've been waiting for him since SSB.

[Hylian-Advocate]

oooh..... I know..... his final smash should be the poo fling of death!!!

lol.... awesome..... I knew hes was coming...just didn't know when we'd know..... I mean...they could't keep Donky Kong all by himself forever.

[Mr. Coww]

About time theres another lightweight in the mix. Theres too few of them.

[Dakota Grabowski]

#8. Why no Diddy Kong or Dixie Kong?

Well that answers that question. Still no Dixie but I'll settle with Diddy Kong since he's one of my favorite Nintendo characters.

If they continue to introduce new character - I hope they introduce King Dedede, Captain Olimar, or Wart.

[Dakota Grabowski]

Here's a new question...

What are the possibilities of the addition of K. Rool?
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/c/ce/Krool19.jpg

[OnBake Platinum]

I hope so. I want all the bad guys. Ridley, King K Rool, BlackBull/Deathborn, Star Wolf, etc.

[Ch1cago88]

Omg, so lame, I'm surprised by the response from some of you. Diddy Kong? I mean come on, there are so many better characters to add than lames from the DK series. DK is the the Sonic of Nintendo. When was the last time they added real sequel to the series instead of these party mode conversions? Disappointing...

[bobo_ess]

i wasn't surprised with diddy, he gonna be a quick lil bugger

[OnBake Platinum]

Have you played Jungle beat? It's completely freaking awesome. The Kongas did suck though, but they don't count.

[bobo_ess]

^ heck no, I loved them games. to each, his own

[Dakota Grabowski]

If there are currently 17 characters in the game -- I'll go with my belief that there will be 8 more characters to make it 25 characters (25 characters were in Melee). Here's the rest of the roster that I'd like to see.

1. Luigi
2. Ganondorf
3. Ness
4. Captain Falcon
5. Falco
6. Ice Climbers
7. K. Rool or Wart or King Dedede
8. Captain Olimar or Kamek or Isaac

Those would be the final characters without any additions of 3rd party characters.

[OnBake Platinum]

Hey Ladies, when ya man wanna get buck wild, just go back and hit 'em up style.


*kills self*

[bobo_ess]

I hated it's been a while. a nice way for nintendo to get into those kind of games. I'd rather a true donkey kong game then the bongo games

[Carlos]

I personally don't think that everyone that is in the single player game is necessarily a playable character.... I mean.... honestly....how could you play as a R.O.B. But it is funny to see him in the game I guess...
Why do people seem to forget that R.O.B. made a cameo appearance in F-Zero GX (GameCube)?

[bobo_ess]

and wario ware

[ninnin]

I'm starting to think that Megaknight and Solid Snake may be unlockable characters and not characters you start off with. Why else would they not have put them on the website? Honestly do you think Nintendo will announce a bunch of unlockables now? I doubt it.

[Blaksmoke]

Awesome update. Back in '01 I expected to see Diddy in Melee, and I was a little disappointed that he was a no-show. Let's just hope they cut the DK Rap out of the game this time around.

[Hylian-Advocate]

I'm starting to think that Megaknight and Solid Snake may be unlockable characters and not characters you start off with. Why else would they not have put them on the website? Honestly do you think Nintendo will announce a bunch of unlockables now? I doubt it.

nah.... I don't think they would have announced them at all if they were secret unlockable characters....... although...you never know.... especially with snake..... they could even make all third party characters (assuming there are more coming) unlockable along with some other tantalizing unannounced Nintendo ones....

For some reason... I just don't see Nintendo giving away secret characters like that.

[Phoenix]

I think they'll go with more than 25 this time.

[Teh Roxor!]

I think I would have a very negative, maybe even violent, reaction if they only have 25 characters.

[r33hash]

25 seems like a lot to me. I guess because I didn't really ever play the other Smash titles.

[ninnin]

25 is nothing!

I want 40+

[bobo_ess]

kid goku would be a nice character to have

[SuperLuigiBros]

How many characters were there in Melee, not including the clones?

*checks*

There are 19 characters in Melee, counting certain characters and their clones as 1 each. So if they were to have 25 in Brawl, it would still kind of be beating Melee because theyve said theyll be getting rid of the clones. I want 30+ though.

Awesome update. Back in '01 I expected to see Diddy in Melee, and I was a little disappointed that he was a no-show. Let's just hope they cut the DK Rap out of the game this time around.
The DK rap is awesome! It's pretty cheesy, but thats why it makes me smile. Especially the "This kong... has a funny face" part.

Omg, so lame, I'm surprised by the response from some of you. Diddy Kong? I mean come on, there are so many better characters to add than lames from the DK series. DK is the the Sonic of Nintendo. When was the last time they added real sequel to the series instead of these party mode conversions? Disappointing...
Diddy Kong is easily the coolest guy from the DK series, other than DK himself. He isn't a 'lame'. :\ Who are the better characters to add?

And like onBake said, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is great. It's is by far one of the greatest GC titles, and far more than what I expected for a DK sequel. Its quite possibly more fun than the original DKC games on SNES... Its just a bit short. :(

[Phoenix]

While they may not have unique playing styles, considering clones one character is a bit too much.

[Hylian-Advocate]

Tahts whatI was thinking....how many were their really in total in Brawl again?!?!

[OnBake Platinum]

Ha ha, Yoshi's final smash is the effect he got when he ate a flashing shell in Mario world. Wings + Fire + Stomp. Clever.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Lol yeh thats cool. The wings look a little misproportioned, but then the time I saw Yoshi with wings and shooting fire was when he was in sprite form.

Theres also the Smashville theme. My internet is fucked so it hasnt loaded just yet :( but Ill make a comment in advance. The song is really cool.

[OnBake Platinum]

It works for me and it is, but he made the clip at the wrong place of the song...

[SuperLuigiBros]

Ok got it. Yeh it was good, but its definitely no Mario, Zelda, Kid Icarus or Starfox music.

[Phoenix]

Rawr. Looks like a fun Final Smash.

As for the music, it's not bad, but they've had better on the site.

[Carlos]

Hmm.....nothing much, eh?

[Phoenix]

Ha ha, Yoshi's final smash is the effect he got when he ate a flashing shell in Mario world. Wings + Fire + Stomp. Clever.Wait, how do you know he has the yellow shell effect?

[Mirai]

I'm starting to think that Megaknight and Solid Snake may be unlockable characters and not characters you start off with. Why else would they not have put them on the website? Honestly do you think Nintendo will announce a bunch of unlockables now? I doubt it.

Sakurai has stated that third party characters will be unlockables, rather than readily available characters.

A few months ago I made a prediction of a minimum of 32 characters on the Smash Boards. I'll try to remember my methodology...

Okay, so there seems to be a lot of debate about the final roster size. Let's look at this in a logical fashion, shall we?

Now, let's take the existing roster of 26. Without debating who it might be, let's say at maximum, they take out 8 of the Melee roster (and I do stress, 'at maximum'). It will probably be less, but I'm just trying to get a ball park minimum for the new game here. Also, this remaining 18 includes redone characters, such as a new moveset for Ganondorf or a Wind Waker variation for Young Link.

Now, we know of four definite newcomers - Meta Knight, Pit, Wario and Snake - so that bumps us up to at least 22.

Of course, in Melee, we were treated to 14 new characters. I would expect that Sakurai would be mindful to match this at the very least, which means an extra 10 characters on top of the 22 so far, leaving us with an educated ballpark minimum of 32.

Of course, since then, we've had several new characters revealed, but that's my guess for a minimum, though I'm expecting about 35.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Thats a lot of characters, especially since he said no clones this time around. Lets hope youre right.

But he doesn't necessarily have to stick by what he did last time. It would be the most accurate way of predicting the amount of characters, but we really cant tell. Like I said, hopefully youre right, but dont get your hopes up.

[bobo_ess]

Wait, how do you know he has the yellow shell effect?

Alright then, blue yoshi when he eats the red shell

[OnBake Platinum]

It would be dumb not to have stomp if you're going to have wings and fire!

[ninnin]

I have a question for you all:

Would you rather have a young Link from WW

or

A young Link from Majora's Mask with all the morphing masks and it's capabilities?

[Mirai]

Thats a lot of characters, especially since he said no clones this time around. Lets hope youre right.

But he doesn't necessarily have to stick by what he did last time. It would be the most accurate way of predicting the amount of characters, but we really cant tell. Like I said, hopefully youre right, but dont get your hopes up.

I keep on seeing people saying that Sakurai stated that there definitely won't be clones. Can someone please link me?

Anyway, I think it's a fairly reasonable number, regardless. Taking into account a few factors:

- More storage space
- More power to work with
- More resources for the design team
- The fact that it's Sakurai designing it, a man who has proven before he wants to make the absolute best game he can
- The fact it's only a jump of 6 more characters than Melee

Considering that pretty much any Smash enthusiast could think of ways to change the clones to unique characters gives me similar faith.

I'd be surprised if any more than 8 characters didn't make a return, and I'd be dumbfounded if any more than 10 failed to return, considering how large a percentage of players that would disappoint.

Furthermore, we've already had 18 characters revealed to be returning, 8 of which are Newcomers. Considering we've still got 3 months of updates to come, and the fact they will most likely save some surprises for after release, I think it's an incredibly realistic minimum, especially considering some characters that we can pretty much guarantee to be returning who haven't be revealed as yet:

- Luigi
- Captain Falcon
- Ness
- Jigglypuff
- Ganondorf
- Mewtwo

If these 6 characters didn't make a return I would be incredibly surprised. Luigi, Falcon, Ness and Jigglypuff have been apart of Smash Bros ever since the first game (although, it is interesting to note that all four of the original Smash Bros' secret characters have yet to be seen, though I doubt this is any more than a coincidence).

Meanwhile, Ganondorf and Mewtwo are both important elements of their respective series, fan favourites outside of the world of Smash Bros, as well as having huge potential for diverse and interesting movesets. Ganondorf could be de-cloned easier than any other clone in Melee, much to the delight of fans I might add.

Add on top of this the fan favourites to return (Young Link, Falco, Marth, etc.), I think we got a fairly substantial roster shaping up.

[Phoenix]

Alright then, blue yoshi when he eats the red shellOr a red Yoshi who ate a blue shell!

[Teh Roxor!]

I keep on seeing people saying that Sakurai stated that there definitely won't be clones. Can someone please link me?
I never saw him say that either. Some fake news a while ago said something like that, but yeah, it was fake.

[Phoenix]

Yes, I believe it was fake news that announced that. I would not be surprised to see clones go, though. Except Luigi, who is not really a clone.

[Zeep]

After getting online for the first time in a week, I have these things to say:

Tether recovery: Ok, cool, so now we know Samus can still do it in Zero Suit form.

Peach: Not a surprise.

Link - Special Moves: Again, nothing unexpected.

Subspace Army: ROB? Petey Pirhana? WTF?! This is looking more and more awesome every time they show it.

Diddy Kong: Cool, but again, not totally exciting. He was pretty much expected.

Yoshi - Final Smash: Doesn't look as powerful as the other Final Smashes we've seen, but I guess you'd need to see it in motion to really tell. If that's true, it's disappointing, because it would be one more sign that Yoshi will continue to be a mediocre character.

Animal Crossing - Go KK Slider: FUCKING WIN. I loved this song in both AC games, and it's a great fit for SSB. I really like the arrangement.

[SuperLuigiBros]

^Yoshi's final smash looks awesome. I never use Yoshi, but when i saw that I thought to myself it would be worth playing as Yoshi occasionally just to use his final smash.

[Mirai]

Yes, I believe it was fake news that announced that. I would not be surprised to see clones go, though. Except Luigi, who is not really a clone.

Good, becaue I keep telling people he hasn't actually said that, but people keep on stating it as fact and I keep thinking I've missed something somewhere.

On a side note, Luigifying is the process of making a clone into a unique character.

[Gilly]

Petey Piranha

In Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Subspace Emissary, it’s rumored that there will be boss appearances.

This time, I’d like to introduce the first boss you encounter: Petey Piranha!


He... He’s huge!


Too intense!

Locked in the iron cages he holds are the princesses, Peach and Zelda. He looks angry. Wh-what is he doing?


He’s attacking with the iron cages!

You can save either Zelda or Peach, depending on which cage you damage more and subsequently break.


What will happen to the one you don’t save?!

[Delirious]

They are raped by by either ganon or bowser?

[Teh Roxor!]

Thanks a lot S-pac. Now I have a boner.

[Delirious]

Glad I could help ya out there. You want I should finish you off? ;)

[SuperLuigiBros]

Thats the coolest thing Ive seen all day, and today I bought Bioshock.

I'm happy that he's a boss instead of a playable character. He looks so cool, the graphics and style is freakin awesome. I couldnt be happier with how they put him in the game. I never wanted him as a playable character because they use him too much in all the Mario sports games and stuff, but he's still a cool character, so Im glad they put him in as a boss. And one that looks so badass!

And it seems like the storyline could have multiple endings, depending on what you do.

But.... Does this mean you can only play it with certain characters? What if I want to play as Zelda? I guess it could be like how there was those game-specific levels in Adventure mode in Melee, where you fight Link whenever you get to a Master Sword, or when a bunch of Yoshi's come down in the first level. But because theres a storyline it doesnt seem like itll just throw random guys at you with no explanation. Maybe its different for every character...

[Phoenix]

I'm sure that once you beat it you can use those two and maybe rescue Link or Mario. Perhaps.

Also, it's amusing how Petey went from the whimsical creature he was in SMS to this huge, intimidating thing.