Super Smash Bros. Brawl - Updates & Hype Thread

[Hylian-Advocate]

wow... I just realized that you meant this thread just legitimately reached 1000 posts...... for a while I thought you meant you had 1000 (I was at work and breezed on through and didn't look at your count...obviously)

way to go everyone!....

I wonder if this spicy curry will be inside the bunches of food randomly.....so you could get it just on accident why chomping on some health increasing (normal) food.....that would be kinda funny actually...

[Hylian-Advocate]

Andross (item):
It’s the old enemy of the Star Fox team, Andross! He appears here in his original form, the one with the most impact.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist06/assist06_070828.jpg
Whoa! He’s huge.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist06/assist06_070828a.jpg
He swiftly moves to the back of the scene...
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist06/assist06_070828b.jpg
And begins inhaling...
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist06/assist06_070828d.jpg
Then he spits polygonal panels out of his mouth!
Like a meteor storm, these panels come flying from the back of the scene to the front. Um, what am I supposed to call these things, anyway?
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist06/assist06_070828e.jpg
They just keep flying out like crazy!
"Only I have the brains to rule Lylat!"
Uh...OK. He said it, not me...

[OnBake Platinum]

Very cool.

[SuperLuigiBros]

"Only I have the brains to rule Lylat!"

Uh...OK. He said it, not me...
haha, thats awesome.

This is pretty silly, but you might want to check it out anyway. Be sure to look at all the sections.
http://mojo.rick-gardiner.com/

[Hylian-Advocate]

^that's hilarious..... some of its a little dumb....but it definitely gave me a chuckle!

[OnBake Platinum]

The 1337est thing I've ever heard. http://mojo.rick-gardiner.com/music/music01.html

[SuperLuigiBros]

I like the text bits the best. Like "Kojima's Rad Party!" where he loses his pants. Sure, some of its dumb, but I kind of overlook that because hes done a pretty good job of re-creating the site.

Haha, and yeh that song was a bit of alright.

[Delirious]

I havent laughed that hard since I was a little girl, thanks.

[Phoenix]

There were two updates. Andross, and this one: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic05.html

They use Meta Knight as an example... But he technically is not on the site yet. How vexatiously queer.

[Hylian-Advocate]

awsome...todays update is Pekmon trainer's special moves.......

this character should be fun to use.....but it might be kinda hard to utilize all those moves at once.... they each are kind of specific in the ways they attack..... you know....?.... like directly upward with Ivysaur...

Nonetheless.... great set of moves...and 9 of em....wow.

and after seeing metaknight's moves..... I still think hes going to be one of my favorite characters!......they look fairly fast and powerful... I am not to fond of the uber slow but way powerful move characters but don't like the uber insane fast characters all the time either becuase I at least like to have a goo and powerful smash in the mix too....

[Phoenix]

Wow, this is going to be an interesting character. I just hope he doesn't end up sucking like most characters in Melee who got too ambitious.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Mewtwo was really the only one who the too ambitious... He was all over the place.

[Phoenix]

Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch too in my opinion.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Mr. Game & Watch wasn't too ambitious I don't think. The only thing would be making a 2d character in a 3d game. Maybe what moves to include in his move-set, but the move-set itself was fine. He controls great (isnt all over the place) and his moves are just normal attacks.

The Ice Climbers though, I'll agree with you.

[OnBake Platinum]

Winged characters can glide caped Mario style!

[Phoenix]

Beats Peach-style any day.

[SuperLuigiBros]

^haha, Peach wasn't too bad. At the very least its straight forward. Literally.

Do you think Yoshi flies like this in Final Smash mode or like Kirby floating around?

[Phoenix]

Peach's floating is actually good. I just think this will be better.

My guess is Yoshi will fly like Kirby/Jigglypuff without the 6-jump limit. That's how he did in SMW.

[Mirai]

I'd take Peach style floating over this. You can hold still in the air, and change direction.

[Hylian-Advocate]

hahahaha.... this stage is hilarious....

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage10/stage10_0700831d-l.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage10/stage10_0700831a-l.jpg

there is more pics at the site.....but.... I am not really sure I get it....does the stage morph from mini-game to mini-game?..... thats what it looks like... but do the actual obsticles (staying dry or avoiding arrows) actually do anything...hmmmm....

I wonder if when you actually do what it says if you get some damage taken off of your damage percentage..... now that would be clever.

I wish it were a tad bit bigger though in it's normal mode.

[Phoenix]

Allow me to be the first to say that they might be going a little overboard with this one. The stages look fun, but they need some mostly static stages. Maybe they're only showing the more obnoxious ones first?

[SuperLuigiBros]

I was sort of half under the impression that they were leaning towards having too many normal stages.

But I think theyre just getting a few varied stages out in the open to create a little hype. What do you think people will talk about more: 'kinda cool level where not much happens' or 'this really cool level like in wario ware where every few seconds a little mini game comes up and you have to fight around the obsticles'?

Of course this might not be what theyre doing, or even what I believe, but it might be the reason...?

[Mirai]

I can't see myself playing on this one...

[IEatFriedPikmin]

haha... i think the wario ware stage is awesome... very unique.

[Lynk Former]

This one's looking similar to the Game & Watch stage.

[ninnin]

Best stage so far!!

[Hylian-Advocate]

I personally think this stage is going to be alot of fun...... maybe not for the purist fan..... who just wants to see who can beat who only using standard combat.....aka people who never use items....

but I think the possibilities for this stage are endless.... I mean...how fun and hectic would it be to be trying to avoid the obstacles for bonuses all while brawling at the same time....

I wonder how many their will be in the cycle...

and again... I hope this isn't just background animations (but since hes says youy get rewarded... I don't think that's the case)

[Phoenix]

Lynk, might I ask you what is happening in your avatar?

[Shadow Voa]

O_O

Lol before he had "revealing" Samus pictures... but this one just flat out says, "Fuck it, it's hentai big friggin deal!"

It's... amusing to say the least, now not only yourself but Phoenix had gotten some sort of hentai avatars. Haha.

[Phoenix]

I guessed that much, but it's really whatever that green thing is that I find more of a concern.

[Lynk Former]

@ Phoenix + ShadowVoa: I've had lots of hentai avatar's of Samus before... you just never noticed ;)

As for the WarioWare stage... I wonder how many "levels" it'll be switching between...

[Phoenix]

...One thing I regret about my old avatar is that I no longer have the right to call people like you sick bastards.

Anyway, on topic, I'd imagine it might be a lot like Pokéfloats or Rainbow Cruise in the sense that it goes on for quite a while rather than just having some occasional effect like Green Greens. Perhaps 12 or so microgames is my guess if there is some pause between them. If it's consecutive, I could guess about two or three dozen, maybe?

[Zeep]

Lynk, might I ask you what is happening in your avatar?

Clearly she's at a concert and she's clapping her hands above her head while singing.

[Lynk Former]

Clearly she's at a Metroid Metal concert and she's clapping her hands above her head while singing.
Fixed.

[Phoenix]

Metroids, eh? That explains the tentacle-like object that is there for a no doubt innocent reason.

[SuperLuigiBros]

I thought that tentacle was just some weird lighting effect drawn until you guys pointed out that it was, in fact, a tentacle.

[Eidorian]

Metroids, eh? That explains the tentacle-like object that is there for a no doubt innocent reason.

I thought that tentacle was just some weird lighting effect drawn until you guys pointed out that it was, in fact, a tentacle.Do Not Want

[Zeep]

I thought that tentacle was just some weird lighting effect drawn until you guys pointed out that it was, in fact, a tentacle.

I thought that too. >.<

[OnBake Platinum]

Eidorian has the best Samus avatar ever.

[Lynk Former]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/lynk/secretscreenshot.jpg

[Eidorian]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/lynk/secretscreenshot.jpg Hahahah

Eidorian has the best Samus avatar ever.Thank you.

[Phoenix]

That guy would be the best assist trophy ever. *prepares to somehow mod her game upon purchasing it*

[Lynk Former]

Yeah, he doesn't actually attack, he just sits in the background and laughs every time one of your opponents gets hit. Morale booster for you, bad for the rest.

[Delirious]

hahahaha.... this stage is hilarious....

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage10/stage10_0700831d-l.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage10/stage10_0700831a-l.jpg

there is more pics at the site.....but.... I am not really sure I get it....does the stage morph from mini-game to mini-game?..... thats what it looks like... but do the actual obsticles (staying dry or avoiding arrows) actually do anything...hmmmm....

I wonder if when you actually do what it says if you get some damage taken off of your damage percentage..... now that would be clever.

I wish it were a tad bit bigger though in it's normal mode.

If you look carefully at Kirby and Mario in that second pic, you will see that it appears as if they are being damaged by the rain, so thats probably how it will go. Similar to the falling items in the G&W stage, but wont cause as much damage. Maybe like one damage a second that youre in the rain or something. Im sure the other mini games will have similar hazards. Im very intrigued by this level.

[Phoenix]

Ooh, that's very observant of you. I didn't see that at all. It looks like the umbrella protects you from the rain damage, and obviously people are going to try to stand under it.

[Delirious]

Sarcasm will get you everywhere ;)

[Phoenix]

That wasn't sarcasm for once. I really didn't look that close.

EDIT: That wasn't sarcasm either - I just noticed that it looked like it. The question is this, however - is this sarcasm? =-o

[Hylian-Advocate]

good observation..... and no.. I am not being sarcastic either..tehehee

I will say it again... ...this stage is going to be awesome imo.....

[Delirious]

Being around here for so long, makes it hard to tell when anyone is being serious, lol. Ill take ur word 4 it though.

Hell, I may be totally wrong about the rain thing, who knows.

[Hylian-Advocate]

There is a cool new sub-space emissary video up on the site today.... it features Pit.....

I really can't wait for this mode... ...I mean... a full fledged side-scroller....... like a Mario game...but with a cagillion awesome Nintendo (and third party) characters in one!!!....

This will only make the game that much more uber-insanely popular in Japan...... I mean....look at how games like New Super Mario Bros. did/has been doing still.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Woah, that was awesome! The music worked so well... if only it didn't stop as soon as it started :(

It seems like the storyline will be different for each character who plays through it. Or at least there will be a different intro movie for each character.

*goes off to find the Kid Icarus theme*

[Phoenix]

That was really cool. I think there will just be cinematic and boss changes for each character.

[Lynk Former]

One thing I really love about that clips is that you can see Pit's classic run is intact.

[Hylian-Advocate]

guys... I just thought I would let you know something I just realized....the song that is the "Pit's Decent" video..... it's not the same midi one from the "music" section......

in fact....ita actually sounds more orchestrated..... (not that I need to be bringing this discussion up again)..... but you can tell it's using snare drums instead of midi sounding duh-duh-duh-duhs.....

I guess it doesn't mean that it is orchestrated necessarily.....they could be midi snare drums...but I couldn't tell for sure.....

either way... I like the snare a bunch more and this also says that the music they put in the music section is not necessarily the final music that is to be played in the actual game..... cuz obviously these two are not the same as each other....

anyway...just a little observation I noticed.

[Delirious]

Nice find there. I bet most of the themes will have orchestrated versions like this, similar to SSBM.

[Hylian-Advocate]

awsome... didy has a penut gun and a blast barrel jet-pack...

I honestly think diddy will be fun to play as....hes fast and witty looking...
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/diddykong/diddykong_070904e-l.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/diddykong/diddykong_070904a-l.jpg

[ninnin]

MegaNight is finally in!!!

[Lynk Former]

MegaNight is finally in!!!
Yeah, I was worried they wouldn't put him in the game...

[Zeep]

MegaNight?

>.<

[Lynk Former]

close enough

[ninnin]

My bad zeep, no hard feelings. As long as you know what I mean!

[Phoenix]

Anyway, cool. I love new information, but the perfectionist in me wanted him on the site, so I'm glad he's in. Now just for Snake and all the already-known characters are on the site.

[Phoenix]

Mario's Down + B move is Fludd (sweet!) It does no damage but sends oppononts flying far. Very cool. And I think Mario Tornado is his smash down or something.

Also, Pokémon Stadium 2! Woot! The Flying stage looks like it'll be a lot of fun. I wonder what the Electric one is like...

[SuperLuigiBros]

Yeh, its always a nice surprise when theres 2. And Mario's FLUDD is sweet!

But I think Sakurai was hinting at a way to do different moves with the same button presses.

"Huh? What happened to the down special move he’s had up until now—the Mario Tornado?
*picture*
He still seems to have this move, though.
Eh? Is it a normal attack?!"

I dunno... Maybe an item... Could be alternate move set... I don't think they'd change his moves when it isn't all that drastic. Mario's original down smash (his super sweet breakdance moves) wasn't all too different the Mario tornado.

:shrug:

[Hylian-Advocate]

^well....isn't there still the possibility of pressing "down and then hitting B" vs. "down + B abruptly at the same time"....

or was that originally just something used with the a button..... I can't remember.....if so....maybe now it's done with both A and B

[SuperLuigiBros]

There could be smash B moves now...

Also, the new update is fucking awesome!

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With the "My Music" feature, you can enjoy the music of our many musicians any way you like. Choose freely from our diverse selection of famous songs!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/music08/music08_070907a-l.jpg

This is "My Music" in action!

The battle stages of Super Smash Bros. Brawl feature a diverse line-up of game worlds. For example, there are stages based on the Mario universe.

Basically, there is only one song that plays on each stage. But even among the myriad songs of the Mario universe, people probably have different favorites.

Plus, while there may be people who stepped into the Mario universe in the original Nintendo Entertainment System days, surely there are some who first experienced Mario on the Nintendo DS.
With that in mind, I think it’s a bit of a waste to limit that whole universe to just one song.

So we’ve prepared many songs and will let you choose the likelihood that any given song will be played.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/music08/music08_070907b-l.jpg

This is "My Music" for Delfino Plaza.

For songs you’re particularly fond of, you can increase the likelihood those songs will appear. Then, when you brawl on that stage, the chance of your preferred songs being played increases.
Of course, if you want to, you can limit a stage to only one song, or make every song in the game equally likely to appear.

I’ve asked our reputable list of musicians to provide many songs for this particular game. But that’s certainly not because I just wanted to cover all these songs.

I’ve asked them to choose the songs that match their personalities and tastes!
Here you will find the best of the best—something you can very rarely get a chance to savor.
If your motivation behind your song selections is simply because you like them, then that’s just fine. Choose your settings as you like.

Just so you know, there may be songs from other games that are left as is, without any new arrangement.

Oh, and by the way, there’s an item in the game called a CD.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/music08/music08_070907c-l.jpg

This is a CD.

Regardless of which mode you’re playing, if you see one of these, be absolutely sure to grab it. If you want to know why, it’s because CDs are the way you add to your music selection.

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It looks like they've thought of everything.

[Lynk Former]

I love the ability to choose what you want to listen to for each stage, and I love how music is yet another unlockable and the possibilities of unlocking videogames finest :D

And don't forget that they've also posted up the Pokémon: Pokémon Stadium/Evolution music and the Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Main Theme music.

I'm really glad that they've confirmed the first trailer music as the main theme cause it fuckin rocks.

[Phoenix]

Pretty cool, though I must say that segment of the Pokémon music is kind of bland.

[Hylian-Advocate]

awesome news...... as I said before.....I loved the idea of all those collectibles in melee....and now we have even more in Brawl..... trophies, stickers and songs...so far.

[Unspoken]

I haven't gotten the chance to listen to it yet, but the songs will obviously be awesome.


This strengthens my thought that you will have the ability to play custom MP3s while fighting... Doubt it will happen anyway, but still.

[Zeep]

Nintendo oughta release a full game soundtrack CD when the game comes out.

[Cofey]

I'm really glad that they've confirmed the first trailer music as the main theme cause it fuckin rocks.
Courtesy of Nobuo Uematsu (think I spelled that right).

This is really going to be the biggest and deepest Smash Bros. game yet.

[Teh Roxor!]

Look! Samus is evolving!

[Lynk Former]

Courtesy of Nobuo Uematsu (think I spelled that right).
Lyrics Supervisor : Masahiro Sakurai
Lyric Translation : Taro Yamashita
Composition Supervisor : Nobuo Uematsu
Arrangement Supervisor : Shogo Sakai
Conductor : Taizo Takemoto
Soprano : Oriko Takahashi
Tenor : Ken Nishikiori

[Mirai]

If this game doesn't get a perfect 10, I can't see what deserves it. I've never seen so much thought go into a game before...

[SuperLuigiBros]

You'd be surprised at how much thought goes into a game... But I guess this one is certainly up there.

Melee got pretty low scores considering just how great it is (I mean c'mon, 90% on gamerankings. fuck that!). For me its the perfect game... Or at least it was until I started seeing all this awesomeness that is Brawl.

If there was ever a game that Im going to completely ignore all the reviews, itll be this one.

[Mirai]

I'm well aware of the amount of thought that goes into a game. My point remains.

[Phoenix]

Munchlax confirmed in Pokéballs. He eats items. Kind of fun, though considering how awesome Pokéballs usually are, it seems to be he might seem like a Goldeen/Mew/Celebi in the game. Also the Lip's Stick is unofficially confirmed to still be in.

[version2.0]

Also the Lip's Stick is unofficially confirmed to still be in.

Which is really good news considering the lipstick is just about the best item in the game. It is so mean!

[Phoenix]

I love Lip's Stick. Nothing like repeatedly throwing a flower at someone and slowly sapping their health.

[version2.0]

exactly! 'specially since it is one of the three items fox and falco cannot reflect. I also like to weild to though, mostly when I'm using characters like bowser, kirby, or luigi whose running attacks suck real bad.

Beats the hammer anyday, that item makes you so vulnerable.

[Unspoken]

Lyn

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist07/assist07_070911a.jpg

A young girl from the Sacae plains, Lyn (whose true name is Lyndis) makes a guest appearance from the Game Boy Advance game Fire Emblem.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist07/assist07_070911b.jpg

Lyn descends gallantly. She looks tough.

She wields what looks like a classical Japanese sword, so she’s similar to Samurai Goroh, but her sword strokes are a little different from his reckless slashing.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist07/assist07_070911c.jpg

She crouches and builds up power...

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist07/assist07_070911d-l.jpg

She vanished?!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist07/assist07_070911e.jpg

The flash of a blade!

You’ll get helplessly cut down if you suffer a solid blow from this blade. If you call her forth as your ally, grab your enemies to make them easier for her to hit.

Fuck yeah! :-)


Except she's an item. :-(

[the poe collector]

Women are not items.

[Unspoken]

They are if they have the corresponding icon, poe.


http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/category_05.gif

*attaches to Phoenix*

[Phoenix]

Darn, I was hoping she'd be a character. :(

*comes out of an Assist Trophy*

[Shadow Voa]

Good glad to see she made an appearance, even as a trophie. Just leaves me the hope that Marth and Roy or one of them will remain in the line up.

My heart sank a little when I saw her I was like, "Oh crap challenger approaching..." but thankfully that wasnt the case.

[ninnin]

Is there any other poosible female characters from Fire Emblem that may be playable?

[Lynk Former]

A bit of sig stealing there Shadow Voa?... I did very mean things to the last person who did that.

[the poe collector]

Did you give them neg rep and make a sarcastic comment?

[Lynk Former]

No, I removed my sig image and got a new one and then replaced the previous one with a huge porn image. The other guy got banned.

Good times.

But don't worry, I haven't neg repped anyone.

[the poe collector]

That's actually a great idea.

Show Shadow Voa who he's messing with!

[Lynk Former]

Nah, I like Shadow Voa, I wouldn't do that to him> But in a lot of forums I've been in, it's against the rules to steal someone elses avatar or sig image from someone within the forum they're in or from another forum.

[Phoenix]

Is there any other poosible female characters from Fire Emblem that may be playable?Eirika from Fire Emblem 8, though I don't see her very likely, especially since she's a sword user.

[Lynk Former]

They'll probably only have Ike as the only playable FE character... but I reckon there's still a chance for Marth to show up.

[Shadow Voa]

Aww Lynk thanks, I was gonna message you about it but Im really looking forward too No More Heroes and yours was the perfect set up. I shouldnt have just taken it and I was going to edit it out and add Shinobu and Thunder Ryu since you can see their silhouettes... just didnt get around too it. :(

On topic: Im expecting at least two Fire Emblem heroes in the final line up. I would love three since that would confirm the return of Marth and Roy, but I'll take one of them at the least since they are both characters I used.

[bobo_ess]

arrghhhhh...i wanted lyn PLAYABLE!11

ephraim would be cool to use though

[SuperLuigiBros]

Hector > Lyn.

Although, I cant really remember too much about my brief time spent with one of the GBA Fire Emblems. I doubt they'll have 2 FE sword users in the game, so if theres another one I guess its most likely theyll use a different weapon than a sword.

(Axe ftw)

[Hylian-Advocate]

you know... I bet the developers made a bunch of characters to see what they could get them all to do in terms of move sets.....and some of the ones they cut probably just ended up being assist trophies.... you know... that just makes sense.

[bobo_ess]

lyn would have been badass with her bow...

[Unspoken]

Yeah, Lyn + Bow = Badass to the tenth power!

Speaking of bow...

Battleship Halberd


It has arrived! The Battleship Halberd! It’s Meta Knight’s battleship...isn’t it?

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage12/stage12_070912a.jpg

This warship’s bow is dazzling!

This stage begins in a hangar on the high seas. The platform follows the Halberd as it departs.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage12/stage12_070912b.jpg

Ooooh. It’s so dynamic!

Eventually, you land on the ship’s deck.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage12/stage12_070912c.jpg

What you see in the background is a double-barreled battery. With an arm.

Use extreme caution near the double-barreled battery! It launches beams and missiles and even attacks with its arm.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage12/stage12_070912d.jpg

Dodge it well and try to make it hit your foe!

The Battleship Halberd appears not only in multiplayer Brawl stages, but also plays a very important role in The Subspace Emissary. That role is something you’ll have to look forward to.

Looks like a plain platformer level yet again. :(

You know, except for the guns and stuff firing at you.

[the poe collector]

The screenshots look amazing.

[Unspoken]

Haha, yeah. Had to go to the next class. Sorry. I'm about to add those in.


But yeah, if you could actually get on the ship, then it would be a fantastic level.

[Phoenix]

I think they need a balance of simple and absurd levels, and it looks like they're doing a good job. Here's just hoping that the simple levels have more varied shapes than just various floating platforms above a flat floor (Corneria, anyone?)

[Zeep]

the thing that bothers me is that people claim that they need the simple levels for the more "hardcore" players, but all the hardcore players I know only ever play on Final Destination anyways, so what's the point?

[Hylian-Advocate]

That's what I was thinking....actually...if you go back and look at Mellee stages...much of them were just flat with platforms as well..... I sure there will still be ones like Brinstar Depths and Mute city to satisfy the crazy stage lovers....just...they probably want to keep those more outrageous stages a secret for when they are unlocked by actually playing the game.

personally I think all the stages are awesome so far... but yes....I do still hope for the big diverse stages like the (crap.....blanking on the name of the castle stage in melee)..... but I am not doubting that they will be in the game one bit.

[Delirious]

Speaking of levels, I wish they'd bring back the original link stage as a classic in this game. I had some of my most fun battles on that stage.

[Mirai]

the thing that bothers me is that people claim that they need the simple levels for the more "hardcore" players, but all the hardcore players I know only ever play on Final Destination anyways, so what's the point?

So Final Destination should be the simplest stage, and then a stage like Big Blue should be the second simplest?

[Zeep]

No, but i'm saying they could stand to have a few less "simple" stages than they did in Melee. If the pro-level players almost always play FD anyways, you might as well have a greater variety for those who don't.

[Lynk Former]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various04/various04_070913a-l.jpg

:p

[OnBake Platinum]

I want to be able to set the stamina to something higher than 150 or whatever it was.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Thats so damn cool. Hopefully we can unlock more options for fighting. I dont see invisibility there, unless its clear. And I was going to mention it before... But I was wondering about the Halberd level. You can see in a couple of the screens that theres a weird angle of the camera. Could be a bit of fun if it moves around randomly... although it would be kinda gay if theres a level that has a fixed angle. It would be hard to see.

Anyway, awesome update.

[Hylian-Advocate]

NICE..... I just hope that there is more options for each section than just the two shown...... like when you lick on body....a whole list of body options come up...

very nice indeed though....being able to have more than one special going at a time was something I really wanted while playing Melee.

[Zeep]

that's awesome. The special melee modes were always way underused.

[Phoenix]

"Clear" is invisible I think.

Can't wait to play giant fire-breathing metal bunny melee.

[Ch1cago88]

"Clear" is invisible I think.

Incorrect, "Clear" is actually a male growth hormone.

[ninnin]

Ice Climbers are back!!!

[SuperLuigiBros]

woot?

I never used them, but they were a pretty cool idea. I always liked how they could pick up to items at once. Although thats pretty much the extent of their coolness.

They do look good. The fur is mighty fine.

[Lynk Former]

Now that the Ice Climbers are confirmed to return, we can be more confident of other past characters returning who we had thought wouldn't...

[Shadow Voa]

Took the words right out of my mouth Lynk. This is like the biggest reassurance ever that Marth and Roy or one of them will make the return. Im certain with the addition of Ike, Sakurai and his team realize the popularity of those two Fire Emblem characters.

[version2.0]

Ice Climbers are back!!!

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been worried sick that the ice climbers wouldn't return!

[koten]

This news is quite exciting. While I was not a the ice climbers biggest fan, they were certainly one of the more unique and likeable character(s?) to have been playable in Melee. They're quirky moveset and tagteam mechanic made them a highly enjoyable adition. The only change that I hope they implement for the wonderous duo is the ability to play as Nana should Popo be defeated.

[Zeep]

The real news here is not the fact that Ice Climbers are in, but, as Lynk pointed out, the fact that they weren't dropped means this game is going to have a LOT of characters. If they didn't drop Ice Climbers, the only characters they still might drop would be Game & Watch or maybe Pichu.

[Phoenix]

I really didn't care for the Ice Climbers, and would much rather have that spot open for a more fitting character, but let's hope Lynk is right.

I do have to say, though, that they look really good in this game.This news is quite exciting. While I was not a the ice climbers biggest fan, they were certainly one of the more unique and likeable character(s?) to have been playable in Melee. They're quirky moveset and tagteam mechanic made them a highly enjoyable adition. The only change that I hope they implement for the wonderous duo is the ability to play as Nana should Popo be defeated.Vlad? =-o

[Shadow Voa]

My friend uses the Ice Climbers as his character(s) of choice. Nothing wrong with that, your definition of characters more fitting is different from somebody else's.

[koten]

I really didn't care for the Ice Climbers, and would much rather have that spot open for a more fitting character, but let's hope Lynk is right.

I do have to say, though, that they look really good in this game.Vlad? =-oPardon me. I was typing that while watching television.

[Phoenix]

My friend uses the Ice Climbers as his character(s) of choice. Nothing wrong with that, your definition of characters more fitting is different from somebody else's.Of course. This is all my opinion, remember? But keep in mind that the Ice Climbers were among the less popular characters in Melee.

[Shadow Voa]

I just figure it was senseless bashing of them. Id be lying if I didnt want to play as them again just at how awesome they look in Brawl. Though the same could be said for anybody, Im looking forward to Ice Climbers test run.

[Phoenix]

Since when have I ever engaged in senseless bashing? =-o

[Shadow Voa]

Yes yes, all is forgiven Phoe.

[Lynk Former]

I'm confident that Marth will return since he's in the first FE game, but I'm not so sure about Roy. Roy was included because at the time his character was the latest one in the series. But in the time that Brawl is set, Ike is the newest main character to appear in FE.

Who knows though, maybe Roy will appear as an assist trophy XD

[bobo_ess]

^oni link would be insane to use

[Zeep]

no one's posted the Golden Hammer yet. apparently it's like the regular hammer but never breaks and you can float in midair with it.

[Phoenix]

Sounds dangerous. :)

[SuperLuigiBros]

Yeh it breaks... it could turn into the squeak hammer, and I would assume it doesnt do all that much damage.

...Wario doesn't look like he's being hit by something thats stronger and faster than a normal hammer.

[bobo_ess]

no one's posted the Golden Hammer yet. apparently it's like the regular hammer but never breaks and you can float in midair with it.

that's unholy

[Lynk Former]

What's next? MEGATON HAMMER?

[Hylian-Advocate]

ohhhhh...you want the megaton, Lynk....you got it...

The megaton is.....................



Wi-Fi Play

This game supports Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. If you connect your Wii to the Internet, you can enjoy linked battles with distant people!

For details, click here (http://www.nintendowifi.com/).

But because this form of communication is greatly affected by the distance between you and your opponent, your brawls may not run smoothly if you’re really far apart—like, for instance, if you’re connecting between Japan and America.

The more distant you are, the worse your connection becomes, and the slower it feels. I apologize, but I hope you understand.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/images/wi-fi01/wi-fi01_070918a-l.jpg

This is the main menu for Wi-Fi!

There are two primary connection methods. The names of these methods are "With Friends" and "With Anyone." The menus and structures of each method are pretty different.

With Friends

Wii friends who have registered one another’s names can play together freely.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/images/wi-fi01/wi-fi01_070918b-l.jpg

Register your friends!

If you’re registered as friends, you can check each other’s status. If a friend is online and you earn his or her consent, you can enter a battle.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/images/wi-fi01/wi-fi01_070918c-l.jpg

You can change your icon...

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/images/wi-fi01/wi-fi01_070918d-l.jpg

And even send short messages during brawls!

These short messages are entered in advance, and you send them by taunting. There are four messages for the four directions on the + Control Pad: Up, down, left and right.

With friends, you can brawl any way you like. And there are other modes besides just free-for-alls.

With Anyone

You can also battle with people you don’t know who are looking for brawls. The most important point here is that you will not know each other’s names.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/images/wi-fi01/wi-fi01_070918e-l.jpg

If you think of your opponent as a simple scarecrow, any psychological barriers may melt away.

Your opponent will not know your name or any information about you, and neither of you can send short messages. There will also be no battle records kept for this mode, so whether you win or lose, it doesn’t matter. Just sit back and play.

Now, while you’re waiting for a match to start, you can kill time with a little practice on Sandbag.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/images/wi-fi01/wi-fi01_070918f-l.jpg

Practice, practice!

We’re planning a number of services that make use of Wi-Fi, but we’ll reveal them gradually with the other modes. Enjoy.

[Lynk Former]

Yeah, I came rushing here as soon as I saw it XD

[Hylian-Advocate]

I told you so guys.... all those doubters who were worried that there wouldn't be any online play....
.

I just hope that the fact that he said there are still other modes that use Wi-Fi ....yet to be announced .....means that something better than this "With Anyone" mode will be announced as well.....

I want a mode that allows for ranked matches...... and stats....and tournaments.....and team battle....
I mean...for ranked matches...you could have it be a part of parental controls that allow it not to be used for folks who don't want their kids to use it....sooo I don't see why they couldn't do that and say..."pick a screen name and keep in mind that this will be displayed for others to see'

and for crying out loud Nintendo....why no voice chat ....at least when you're playing with friends.....

anyway....this is fantastic news...but I just hope the future announcements make up for some potential shortcomings such as lack of voice and rankings...


Oh....but I do LOVE the loading/waiting screen idea.....way fun!.....it solidifies the sand bag mode's existence in brawl pretty much.

[Lynk Former]

What did you tell us?

[Hylian-Advocate]

that there would be online......to all the doubters. (I edited my post for you)

[SuperLuigiBros]

Well, that update was unexpected...

But fucking awesome! Now I can beat all of you!

Im so glad they didnt have "Australia vs. Australia only". That would have been so lame. Its so good they said "You can play anyone, but it might be a bit slow".

The sandbag idea is cool.

[Lynk Former]

@ cube: No, we have it worse... Australia is close to Japan... prepare to get your ass kicked by the die-hard Japanese players.

@ Hylian-Advocate: My doubts seem to have been confirmed by this latest update. I knew online would be possible, though that wasn't in question for me at least... I questioned the efficiency of the online play, and it seems by the tone of this update that while it is online, there are a lot of limits.

I think that while online is available, there was probably a lot of debate whether it SHOULD be included. In the end they did, though the way they're implementing it seems obvious that they knew people would want it that badly, so they "forced" it to work...

if that makes any sense to ya'll.

[Phoenix]

Am I the only one disappointed? By how it's the same lame online Nintendo has had since Mario Kart DS?

[OnBake Platinum]

The menus are pretty lame compared to the awesome ones in melee...

[Lynk Former]

Am I the only one disappointed? By how it's the same lame online Nintendo has had since Mario Kart DS?
You're not the only one, like I said in my previous post, it looks like they've just put in an online mode in an attempt to please those who expect it to be there.

[BananaBabeQT]

Whooo, I'm happy to see some official news on the Wi-Fi but I really wish they would have made like a mic attachment so you can talk to the people you're playing with. Entering 4 random messages doesn't seem like it's going to be all that effective... but oh well

[Viper]

@ Hylian-Advocate: My doubts seem to have been confirmed by this latest update. I knew online would be possible, though that wasn't in question for me at least... I questioned the efficiency of the online play, and it seems by the tone of this update that while it is online, there are a lot of limits.

I think that while online is available, there was probably a lot of debate whether it SHOULD be included. In the end they did, though the way they're implementing it seems obvious that they knew people would want it that badly, so they "forced" it to work...

if that makes any sense to ya'll.

Check the post and news again, this is only the basic aspects of it. They'll have a lot more online info and modes soon.

SHOULD? The hell question is that? This game screams online more than any other Nintendo game out there.

You say it's forced yet they said back when it was announced that they'd have online available for it. It's not like they realized last week that we want online so they tacked it on, it's been planned since day 1.

Again, more updates coming so hold the complaints until we know more.

[Hylian-Advocate]

[@ Hylian-Advocate: My doubts seem to have been confirmed by this latest update. I knew online would be possible, though that wasn't in question for me at least... I questioned the efficiency of the online play, and it seems by the tone of this update that while it is online, there are a lot of limits.

I think that while online is available, there was probably a lot of debate whether it SHOULD be included. In the end they did, though the way they're implementing it seems obvious that they knew people would want it that badly, so they "forced" it to work...

if that makes any sense to ya'll.
yea.. I know what you mean...however.... I think he just said that because he doesn't want people to be disappointed should their games lag at all.....

but honestly...what online games don't have their problems..... Halo 2 lagged....and disconnected people from servers all the time....

I think there should be no debate as to whether their should be online....becuase there is no doubt that that answer is "hell f-ing yess their should be"....

The issue is Nintendo's fear of children playing against bad teenagers bent on swearing and cussing at eachother....and crazy online predators that will lure kids via voice chat...... That's the only thing that is still disapointing me..... grow up NMintendo Wi-Fi Connection......get some balls

don't get me wrong though.... I still am extremely excited that it's going online....and mwybe their are more features that they havn't talked about yet......but either way.....having online at all.... in this case... I think is better than not having it at all.....

and it's not like its going to suck... it should be awsome and a half....just not awesome times 2.....yet

[Zeep]

The issue is Nintendo's fear of children playing against bad teenagers bent on swearing and cussing at eachother

I'm not afraid of that. I'm afraid of being a teenager playing against bad children bent on swearing and cussing.

[Shadow Voa]

Stupid friend codes... I mean seriously I hate them but something is better then nothing. But voice chat please? The DS is just as "family friendly" as the Wii and it has voice chat for their games. Get it together Nintendo, Im assuming you've got these things in mind and are just revealing the basics. There's more, just get the chat and fix the system maybe? Ok fine, just the chat.

[Zeep]

I think Nintendo has some sort of plan regarding voice chat on wii. I just hope they have it ready before this game is finished.

[Lynk Former]

Check the post and news again, this is only the basic aspects of it. They'll have a lot more online info and modes soon.
Yes, I have read the post and news thoroughly. I didn't post my last posts blindly.

SHOULD? The hell question is that? This game screams online more than any other Nintendo game out there.
Yet when you compare Brawl to Metroid Prime Hunters in the online modes shown so far, Hunters is a more detailed online experience than Brawl is.

You say it's forced yet they said back when it was announced that they'd have online available for it. It's not like they realized last week that we want online so they tacked it on, it's been planned since day 1.
What you say here isn't entirely true. Iwata said that Brawl would be online even before Sakurai knew that Iwata wanted him to lead the team to develop it. Then Sakurai later stated that he doubted Brawl as an online game and didn't want to have it online because of the limits he saw while developing it.

Again, more updates coming so hold the complaints until we know more.
This isn't a complaint, it was an observation... one I had made many times... to clarify for you... I like the fact that they have gone ahead with an online mode for Brawl, and the way they're doing it is very much as I expected they would do it.



The issue is Nintendo's fear of children playing against bad teenagers bent on swearing and cussing at eachother....and crazy online predators that will lure kids via voice chat...... That's the only thing that is still disapointing me..... grow up NMintendo Wi-Fi Connection......get some balls
Recording whether you won or lost a match between a group of players you don't have on your friends list doesn't fall under this category of protection... the only reason I can think of as to why this is, is that the online ability isn't reliable enough to keep record of it like Metroid Prime Hunters does, as mentioned before.

[Ch1cago88]

I wonder if shutting down Nintendo's official forums had anything to do with this...

[bobo_ess]

i am so getting this when it comes out...

[Hylian-Advocate]

Recording whether you won or lost a match between a group of players you don't have on your friends list doesn't fall under this category of protection... the only reason I can think of as to why this is, is that the online ability isn't reliable enough to keep record of it like Metroid Prime Hunters does, as mentioned before.

but...... the DS is less capable than the wii......oviously.....

and its using the same Nintendo Wi-Fi conncetion service......


anyway.... their hasn't been any problems tracking stats and ranking players for other games....both Nintendo and other company games.... so I don't see why they would allow for stats in 'friend' mode and not in 'anyone' mode....all you have to do is make a username that can be attached to the stats.... if they don't want people showing their names and Mii characters with strangers for security reasons.....make it an option that can be turned off.

The reason I think this is so important is because its one of the main reasons that drives online games like Halo.... people yearn to up their rank and get better.....but not just against the people they play all the time...

if their is no online mode that allows for ranked matches with strangers as well as friends... I will be disappointed.... it will still be fun as hell...but just not reaching up to its potential without it.

and I can only think that the reason their is no announced voice chat is because they probably want to eliminate any non-uber essential elements that could low the game down.... personally I think voice chat is pretty essential...but if for some reason it slowed the game down alot...which I don't see why it would.... but if it did.... I could go without.....

[Gilly]

So I guess this confirms Ike. :)
I'm pumped about online play.
Nintendo is gonna make sure to get whatever they do right. They're not going into it half-assed.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^huh?.... Ike was already a confirmed character...

[Mirai]

To me it seems that we've ended up with the exact online that Sakurai wanted. When he said that taking the game online would be hard, he had the following concerns:

- Lag in a game of precise timing
- Online becoming more about competition than fun, making it impossible for casuals to get involved
- Too much focus on stats

If you take a look a look at the concerns he had a year or so ago and look at what came out, it's not a matter of they couldn't get it to work the way they wanted it to, it's a matter of they've gotten it to work exactly like they wanted it to.

[SuperLuigiBros]

It seems most of you are disappointed by whats happened... What the fuck?

Brawl is online, what more could you want? We get to play each other, and randoms... Melee was perfectly awesome without online, so how could anyone be the least bit disappointed?

As Sakurai/Viper pointed out, there are more modes yet to be revealed and I bet one of them is a Tournament Brawl thing like in Melee. We might not have permanent rankings but I suspect there will be other thing in place of it. And like Dee Dubya said, its what they wanted.

Bah!

The game keeps getting better and better and you party poopers have nothing but bad things to say. I bet Sakurai is crying right now. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Delirious]

The only thing I dont like is that its not gonna save any stats or anything when we do "play anyone"

[Phoenix]

I'd like voice chat personally.

Though I'll probably play it offline mostly with friends, so it's of little impact to me.

[Hylian-Advocate]

but dee dub.... why cant this game be about fun.....and about competition and stats.....

What I am saying is that I am completely stoked about the online modes..... but I still wish...and technically they could suprize me as there are still modes to be announced.... that their was mode(s) where it doesn't rank your stats....AND ranked-random-people modes for those who like stats and competition.....

I mean....this games screams for both of these conditions in my opinion....

anyway... I am very very happy about the announcement.... I am just still hoping that their might be ranked modes left to be revealed..... I may be getting my hopes up...but oh well.....

on another note.. I think it would be cool if the single player mode could be co-op and they allowed for an online co-op mode... that doesn't seem very likely ...but it would kick serious ass....

same with team brawl.... I really hope they allow for two on two online battles....

and.... of course.... online tournaments like a few people have said....

oh...and I was thinking...... I can't remember if somebody said this..... but how funny would it be if you could actually play as your Mii caricature..... and their could be unlockable clothes and body types and so forth.... just a random thought I had..... so it would be kinda of like how you could customize vehicles in F-Zero GX..... of course... I doubt this would ever happen....not to mention it might be kinda dumb.

[Cofey]

This is obviously fantastic news, but I still really wish there was a headset to accompany it.

Which isn't to say I'm not going to have an absolute ball with it anyway.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

ouch... the Wi-fi news is awful... I am glad it is at least online, but this is such a watered down experience. No headset. Stats not saved. Friend codes.

I will admit that I like the idea of practice before actually starting a match.

Good online play should be a critical point in this game. Online multiplayer is a standard. SSB is a series known for its spectacular multiplayer... if the online sucks, I am sure it will degrade the multiplayer potential this game has noticeably. Just my opinion.

[Lynk Former]

Exactly, it's great that it's online, but it is such a watered down experience and that's exactly what I expected it to be... which doesn't make me disappointed with the online mode since it is what I expected. But the truth of the matter is that it is a very limited online experience no matter how you try to justify it.

Sorry if I'm spoiling the party, but I'm not gonna gush cum every time Nintendo reveals something new. And it's not like I don't accept the limits of Wii and everything being released for Wii, otherwise I wouldn't have bought a Wii and be enjoying all of its games.

[Hylian-Advocate]

I understand the bashing of of no voice chat..... AS OF YET....may I remind you that they technically didn't say there isn't going to be any (even though it doesn't look good)....

and I understand the bashing of no stats in Anyone mode..... even though technically he could announce a ranked player match mode (again.....may be wishfull thinking)....

but I don't understand the bashing of the friend codes anymore.....

with Prime 3 you didn't need to enter new codes specific to the game...it just took them straight from your messege boards....... assuming it does that with Brawl...which I believe it will......its the same exact thing as adding a gamer tag with the 360 so you can join in parties and see when their online.......

the only thing you should be bashing is the fact that you cant trade friend codes with random people after you played them should you happen to have fun playing the round with them.... that is what I have been trying to say for soooo long now......

there really is nothing wrong with friend codes...its just that Nintendo decided to be stupid as of right now by being afraid to let gamers have the choice whether or not they want to talk to complete strangers over the net.

and like viper said..... Sakurai may have more modes to talk about...so don't just completely bash it just yet IEFP and Lynk..... I know your happy its in there and just sad it's watered down...but there could be more that wont seem watered down..... meh...if there isn't I will agree though....but will still have a blast.

[Lynk Former]

I haven't said anything about Friend Codes since they were announced.

Also, you've used the term "bash" quite a bit in that last post Hylian-Advocate... please to associate me with that term.

I think in the end I'm looking for quality over quantity. There may be more modes... but is the quality up to standard?

[Hylian-Advocate]

I know.... I know... I wasn't trying to say you were a complete basher.....but what I am saying is to not go looking at this and future announcements with the idea that they are simply going to be doing quantity over quality.... right now the anyone mode sorta looks close to that..... but who knows....

and sorry.... I wasn't meaning you when I was talking about people bashing friend codes.....

no worries... I really am not mad at you for thinking there are some shortcomings as of yet....because...like I have said too....right now ....there are.... hopefully the later online related announcements will add more to make up for/fix them.

and on a different note... I was talking to somebody earlier about voice chat and we brought up a good point..... is this the type of game that you'd really want voice chat during matches... I mean....that means they could keep talking and talking all the time.....in games like halo and other FPSs....only your team mates could talk to you...or else you could hear opponents when they are near you in 3 dimensions....

anyway.. I was thinking about it more... and I really would only like voice over for anyone mode if it were before and after the matches...... or if there were teams.....
For friend modes... I would love it ......especially if they have team battle and while your in menus......and especially if you could then have the option of turning it off during game play if you have some blabermouth friends..... so yeah..... for me there would be sometimes where voice chat would suck..... don't y'all agree?

[Teh Roxor!]

I never thought the online would be good, and I don't really care. I would much rather play with people in the same room as me.

[Mirai]

Agreed.

Those holding their breath for stat tracking modes in Play Anyone, I wouldn't bother wasting your time. Sakurai has expressed great distaste for people playing just for stats. I personally agree with him. The one thing that ruins online gaming on XBOX Live for me is people showing off their e-dicks.

"I'm here to punch you in the head. I couldn't care less how many times you've been punched in the head before, nor how many heads you have punched yourself. Now can we play the damned game?"

[Lynk Former]

Ooooh @ Subspace Army dudes in new update.


And about the online mode... I'll probably end up playing it once just to see what it's like and then play every other match with others locally.

[Ch1cago88]

My short little response about online is this, for a system thats focused on interactivity, Nintendo sure likes us to play in solitude a lot.

Anyways, as long as I can smack the shit out of all of you, I'm happy.

[Mirai]

The one thing I can't wait for about online is the fact that everyone on here acts as though they are unstopable. So many people's spirits will be crushed when they find out they're not really that good, and then I can't wait for every loss to blamed on Nintendo's online system...

[SuperLuigiBros]

Haha yeh. Big talkers are annoying. I know Im good, but no where near as good as some people Ive seen.

There was that guy who was saying stuff like 'I do things with wave dashing that you wouldnt even dream of doing'. >_>

We should definitely hold an E-mpire tournament or something.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^haha.. I bet id loose first round... I am good and all....and I always beat my friends when they came over back in GameCube's Prime ...and all my cousins....but I haven't played a lot of other hardcore gamers....

I still need to give you al my Wii Friend Code.... I should do that now, in fact.... *goes to look for it now*

[Shadow Voa]

I need a lot more Wii Friend code things. I got like 4 people and I want to face any and everyone online.

[Lynk Former]

Which reminds me... we don't know if wave-dashing will even be in Brawl :p lol

[SuperLuigiBros]

^lol yeh....hmm...

I hope it isnt because I never used it and that means itll make me almost as good as the best. (Whenever I see the ultra l33t videos of Melee its all wavedashing and crazy BS that I cbf doing). Hopfully the best fights will be just how the game was intended.

Although, Im sure enough people will play it to find some other mild-glitch to exploit.

[Mirai]

I'd guess Sakurai would remove it, as that would make the difference between beginners too vast for the online environment he seems to want.

[Zeep]

I still need to give you al my Wii Friend Code.... I should do that now, in fact.... *goes to look for it now*

I hate to break it to you, but the online screenshots show a friend code which is 12 digits long, not 16. Meaning the game will have it's own friend code.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^well...fine...then I agree...that is dumb... I take back what I said about friend codes if that is the case for the final version of brawl.....

I thought that since they were able to make it so that it read friend codes from your message boards for MP3.... that they could do the same thing here....

if that's not the case..then I spent way too long trying to add all your codes yesterday.....




anyway..... I found this screen of snake in delfino plaza level....and it shows what I was saying about how some levels may let you alk on more vaired cooler parts of the stages....and not just the flat areas......

http://www.famitsu.com/event/tgs/2007/__icsFiles/artimage/2007/09/20/con_tgs2007/mg0011.jpg

you notice that they are on top of the centra buildings rooftops.....

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage02/stage02_070601a-l.jpg

I guesss its kinda the same thing as the flat areas....but still.

[Zeep]

I thought that since they were able to make it so that it read friend codes from your message boards for MP3.... that they could do the same thing here....

they've been able to do that from the beginning. Elebits had it. but nintendo has decided that any game where you're actually playing multiplayer head to head for some reason requires its own friend code.

[Mirai]

anyway..... I found this screen of snake in delfino plaza level....and it shows what I was saying about how some levels may let you alk on more vaired cooler parts of the stages....and not just the flat areas......

http://www.famitsu.com/event/tgs/2007/__icsFiles/artimage/2007/09/20/con_tgs2007/mg0011.jpg

you notice that they are on top of the centra buildings rooftops.....

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage02/stage02_070601a-l.jpg

I guesss its kinda the same thing as the flat areas....but still.

Congratulations! You figured out what we were told about this stage when it was first announced! SHINE GET!

[Hylian-Advocate]

ok douche.... I was trying to say that its not JUST the flat ground-level parts that the stage moves around to..... I remember someone saying way back when that they still thought this stage was completely boring looking because it appeared to just traveled from level ground to level ground...... I am just saying that this shows it also travels to the rooftops as well.....

[Phoenix]

OK, hug and make up, guys. Only friendly discussion here! ^.^

[Hylian-Advocate]

no worries.. I am not actually mad or anything.......

does anyone else feel that these daily updates are almost getting old after a while....because they can't always top the countless thins they've shown previously....lol.... I mean.... normally those big single player enemies would have been widely discussed..but.....coming after the online announcement... well nuf said.

[Hylian-Advocate]

HUGE SNAKE UPDATE

character description....
special moves...
theme music....

"Metal Gear Solid: MGS4 Love Theme
(Smash Bros. Brawl Version)"...

NOW THATS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! pure awesomeness....best brawl track yet by far.

[SuperLuigiBros]

I dont think they get old. In fact, I love them. Its awesome. Something totally awesome to look forward to at the end of each day.

And of course they won't have something incredibly amazing each day, they do need to stretch it out till the game comes out...

[Hylian-Advocate]

^I guess I chose my words poorly.....

if they truly got old to me... I wouldn't be waiting till midnight to go to sleep every night until after I had seen the latest update....

I guess I mea....not as drastic....cool...but not always worth feeling under-slept..lol...but I can't help it.

[Lynk Former]

Everything about the Snake updates screams "FUCK YEAH"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/lynk/snake_music.png

[Phoenix]

Finally, it is complete! All currently released characters are on there now!

And that update is sweet. He's going be to a cool character, though I probably won't use him. 'Cause everyone else will.

[ninnin]

So I guess Snake will be playable from the start?

If so my first choice will be either him or Pit.

[OnBake Platinum]

Please please please use the official snake voice actor.

[koten]

I'm certain David Hayter will be doing any and all voice work for Snake. He has done the voice every time and unless they choose to stick with the original Japanese voice actor (which is doubtful considering the franchises popularity outside of Japan) Snake will sound exactly as you expect him to.

[OnBake Platinum]

And then when he dies in the background, have what's his face go "Snake? Yo Snake!? SNAAAAAKE!"


Or not.

[koten]

Hal Emmeric. Better known as Otacon. I think it would be best to have that as one of the noises it makes when he wins. He stands around making some sort of pose whilst Otacon says that in the background.

[Hylian-Advocate]

So I guess Snake will be playable from the start?

actually...my guess is that not all of these newcomers will be available from the start....well....

at first I thought so because I thought that they wouldn't show a character publicly before he was revealed...but.... I don't know....unless they have a freakish amount of characters....which would be awsome.... I just don't think all the ones shown will be availble from the get go....

I guess if that's the case...it sure gives you somthing to work for!

[ninnin]

^ True

[Lynk Former]

I don't think all of the characters shown will be available from the start either... but will Snake be available from the start?

Maybe. I mean there are two ways of going about it. He could be unlockable because he's a non-Nintendo character... or he could be available from the start to show that non-Nintendo characters are in the game... who knows if he's the only one or not.

[ninnin]

^ I really hope there is more non-Nintendo characters!

[Phoenix]

I'd hope so. They say they're trying to go for at least 2-3.

[ninnin]

Other then Sonic who what do you guys think would be the other non-Nintendo character? (Assumeing they have more then one.)

[SuperLuigiBros]

Lets say they have 3. Snake aside, I think Sonic and Megaman have the best chance at being included.

I had a pretty good list of which non-Nintendo characters Id like to appear other than those 2... but I forgot them. So instead Ill post the Nintendo characters I want to see.

1. Paper Mario
2. Cel-Shaded Link
3. Andy (from Advance Wars) (or anyone, really... maybe have a CO on the side like the Pokemon trainer and have different vehicles out there fighting. That would rock.)
4. Isaac (from Golden Sun)

[Derrick Barra]

Screw Isaac! Garret fan all the way right here!

Btw, I concur 110% with that list Cube, Andy or Max would rock in Smash.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Of course you do. My list is sound.

[Mirai]

The trophies hath returned!

I don't want to see Paper Mario unless he's an alternate costume of Mario. Same goes for WW Link - unless he's an alternate costume or just a new version of Young Link, I don't really think we need another Link...

[SuperLuigiBros]

I would be fine with that, although they could both easily have their own completely different move sets.

Now that thats out of the way, fuck yeh!

Trophies are awesome. Down the bottom is Tingle... and he's Cel-Shaded. Could this be a hint that we'll get Cel-shaded Link?! ...probably not, but a man can dream, cant he?

[Delirious]

I admit it would be pretty cool to see Realistic Link vs Cel-shaded Link.

[SuperLuigiBros]

I was thinking about it since last time I posted, and it would be pretty hard to make Paper Mario and WW Link as mere alternate costumes because they are different shapes. Well, not so much Mario, but WW link is very different to TP Link.

[OnBake Platinum]

*shits on the guy who said stickers replaced trophies*

[bobo_ess]

Other then Sonic who what do you guys think would be the other non-Nintendo character? (Assumeing they have more then one.)

ristar would be fun to use, he would the best grab move

[Lynk Former]

Another interesting Final Smash has been posted up. This one is for Diddy

[Phoenix]

This one looks pretty lame. It doesn't really seem to have that dominant vibe.

[OnBake Platinum]

I hope his victory dance is the one DKC2 with the boom box.

Uoh ah ah, uah ah ha, uh ah ah ahh, uh ah ah ah huh huh ha!</failed>

[SuperLuigiBros]

Yeh you did fail. I played that game nearly every day of my childhood and I dont know wtf youre talking about.

Diddy looks like fun, but I doubt Ill be using him as my main man.

[Lynk Former]

It's funny how people are judging and making up their minds about all of the characters before they've even played the game and have figured out all of the nuisances that go into each character.

[Zeep]

nuisances? you mean nuances?

[Lynk Former]

Yeah, I guess I wasn't looking when I ran the spellcheck.

[OnBake Platinum]

Yeh you did fail. I played that game nearly every day of my childhood and I dont know wtf youre talking about.

Diddy looks like fun, but I doubt Ill be using him as my main man.
You know when you beat a level with Dixie, she does the guitar? And Diddy did the boom box and sang his little Monkey song.

[Cofey]

^I know exactly what you're talking about. That was awesome.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Ah yep, vaguely. I should really get that on VC. I have DKC1 and cant beat it*. How the hell did I do it when I was 7?

*I died at one level more than 3 times and dont have the time to really get into it. :(

[Lynk Former]

Mr. Resetti assist trophy

[SuperLuigiBros]

Pretty cool. Although it doesn't really do anything, it seems. Unless it actually puts people to sleep. Still, its a cool idea that it doesn't do anything. Just for a bit of a laugh. With the Pokeballs, half of the fun is waiting to see if youve been given a dud like magikarp. I guess itll be the same with assist trophies. (which is a good thing).

[nayrk]

I would like to see Alucard

...and voice chat oh but wait... I have no wii friends :(

[Lynk Former]

From the looks of it, he comes out, talks for a bit and then at the end he selects two players he will put to sleep... possibly not the closest ones to him, rather any two randomly chosen players no matter where they are...

XD At least I hope.

[nayrk]

Animal crossing stage... so who from AC is a playable character in Brawl? or are they doing stages w/o characters this time?

[Phoenix]

Pretty cool. Although it doesn't really do anything, it seems. Unless it actually puts people to sleep. Still, its a cool idea that it doesn't do anything. Just for a bit of a laugh. With the Pokeballs, half of the fun is waiting to see if youve been given a dud like magikarp. I guess itll be the same with assist trophies. (which is a good thing).Goldeen is the dud, not Magikarp. Or Mew or Celebi, but those are pretty rare.

No one from AC is playable as of right now, and I doubt they ever will be. You can find a complete list of characters so far here: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/index.html

[Unspoken]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist08/assist08_070926a.jpg

'Nuff said.

[Zeep]

Mr. Resetti = awesome.

[bobo_ess]

You know when you beat a level with Dixie, she does the guitar? And Diddy did the boom box and sang his little Monkey song.

let's not forget the hand thing he does

Ah yep, vaguely. I should really get that on VC. I have DKC1 and cant beat it*. How the hell did I do it when I was 7?

*I died at one level more than 3 times and dont have the time to really get into it. :(

what level is it ?

[IEatFriedPikmin]

Animal crossing stage... so who from AC is a playable character in Brawl? or are they doing stages w/o characters this time?

lol... i was thinking about that. i don't think its possible to have a playable character from AC.

[Phoenix]

So... He's like Bellossom only more humorous? Nice, Bellossom was one of my favorite Pokémon in Melee (effectiveness-wise, of course.)

Also Pikachu looks awkward asleep.

[SuperLuigiBros]

what level is it ?

One of the snow ones. Its really early in the game, like third world or something. :(

Theres lots of barrels and vultures and junk and stuff.

[bobo_ess]

that one...there is a barrel to help you get through,but you have to drop down somewheres, forget where though...anyways, once you get to the checkpoint, there is a way to always get your life back, just go backwards and and get past the big lizard guy, and there is a bonus barrel to get a life back, plus you'll be near that spot to get the golden rambi. so stick it out i guess. i hated that stage as a kid...you'll hate platform peril even more

[OnBake Platinum]

Holy shit, pokemon final smash. Hydro Pump + Solar Beam + Fire Blast.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pokemon_trainer/pokemon_trainer_070927c-l.jpg

Solar Beam looks awesome.

[Delirious]

lol, I like how they put the pokemon caption at the bottom of the screen there. This game is gonna be the shit.

So Im assuming thats fire blast, hydro pump(possibly hydro cannon), and solar beam. Amazing how Charizards fire isnt put out by the water eh? lol

[OnBake Platinum]

I think this thing really needs to be seen in action.

[SuperLuigiBros]

lol, I like how they put the pokemon caption at the bottom of the screen there. This game is gonna be the shit.

So Im assuming thats fire blast, hydro pump(possibly hydro cannon), and solar beam. Amazing how Charizards fire isnt put out by the water eh? lol

Im assuming you didn't read the site where it says what it is. Also onBake's post.

:P

[Delirious]

You assume correctly pube, Its late, so I wasnt paying attention. I didnt even bother to go to the site.

I think its time to go to sleep. Wheres CM Punk when ya need him, lol.

[Phoenix]

Amazing how Charizards fire isnt put out by the water eh? lolThings have made less physical sense than that on the show, so I wouldn't worry about it. :)

[SuperLuigiBros]

Its the uhh... Solar Beam... uhh.. sustaining it...?

*nods*

[nayrk]

I'd like to see that attack on Jigglypuff

[SuperLuigiBros]

Tournament Mode!

I knew it. Well, it was pretty obvious that the tournament mode would be included, but look at this:

Of course, if you don’t have a large number of friends, you may not have much need for a tourney.

Still, we’re working seriously to make this mode fun for even those people.

Actually, you can also play this by yourself against computer opponents, so try it out if you’re so inclined.
If this isn't a hint at an online version then I don't know what is.

Well actually, maybe I do....
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various06/various06_070928c-l.jpg
How about that globe in the background?

[Hylian-Advocate]

^exactly what I was thinking.... that hint just screams online!.... which makes me happy if they get it to work properly in time.....

that makes me wonder.... when is the normal end date for all game development before you have to send it to the manufacturer.... a month in advance???....three weeks???... ....one week.... I mean.... technically there is only two more months before the game releases....

[Phoenix]

I think it's just a visual. Heck, the start menu in Melee had a globe thing.

[OnBake Platinum]

I think the menus in the game are lame. The ones in the first melee were dark, these ones are all bright. Melee had my favorite traditional menus of any game.

[koten]

I don't know about you OnBake. But the style of the menus is not a make-it-or-break-it issue for me. Provided that they are comprehensive and navigable, then I find it difficult to care what they look like.

[OnBake Platinum]

I will not purchase this game, not even if they switched back to dark menus. The damage has already been done.

[Hylian-Advocate]

I wasn't talking about the symbol......his text is what gives it away that they are making it an online mode.....how else would people without a large sum of friends be able to play tourney mode?