Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

[Killing Moon]

Driving sims aren't art... they strive for realism, and in that department, GT wins hands down. There are areas that could be improved, and probably will be before final release, but so far no other sim has come close to looking more realistic.

So if we're being THAT nitpicky about visuals for a driving sim, then what about:

- skid marks on the ground
- self reflective surfaces
- exhaust
- volumetric smoke effects

You see how ridiculous this can get? It's just how bad it looks when pic comparing two games that way when it doesn't even matter. And, yes it is all art-- be it bland or boisterous.

At the end of the day, the visuals for these games are completely irrelevant. Unless they tend to lean toward the "artsy" side of things, they'll all end up looking like shit in about 3yrs anyhow.

So really, is it THAT important from either side?

[frosty]

There are self reflective surfaces, and smoke effects.

[NeoPlayStation]

I need a good racing game. Which is better: GT 5 Prologue, Grid or Ferrari Chalange?

[Matt]

The best thing to do is to just try them out yourself. If you've played GT before, then you know exactly what you'll be getting with this one. I think there are demos for the other two on PSN.

[GTAce]

No, no Ferrari Challenge Demo only GRID.
I would say GT5P if you want a good simulation and the typical GT flair, GRID if you want an arcaderacer with simulation look and Ferrari Challenge if you want hybrid sim with a good online mode.

FC is a pretty oldschool racing game but can be frustrating and annoying sometimes, i hated GRID because of the handling and of course love GT. lol

[Smokey]

No, no Ferrari Challenge Demo only GRID.
I would say GT5P if you want a good simulation and the typical GT flair, GRID if you want an arcaderacer with simulation look and Ferrari Challenge if you want hybrid sim with a good online mode.

FC is a pretty oldschool racing game but can be frustrating and annoying sometimes, i hated GRID because of the handling and of course love GT. lol

ya FC reminds me of Toca2/V8 supercar 2 in the handling department. but its crap online. you cant "make" a locked room. i never got to try wheel on it id say itd be good. what is it with this generation of racers they look the part but GTP is crap online, GRiD is good online but is too arcadey & FC needs closed rooms and work on online (lag etc) i just dont get why they have ALL taken a backward step this GEN???

[frosty]

let's remember gt5p is a work in progress...

[Smokey]

too many excuses this gen

[frosty]

this isn't the first time we've seen a prologue gt...

[GTAce]

too many complaints this gen

Fixed.

[Matt]

I don't think that statement was aimed specifically at GT5.

Anyway, if there weren't so many fuckups, then there wouldn't be as many complaints.

[Nameless]

^Agreed...
The development screw ups and unrealistic expectations have resulted in a lot of bitching.

[Smokey]

its not graphics (well HAZE!!) i have a gripe with its things like one game doesnt have it all... this is MY example Toca/V8s series, had great online... no lag, make a room, LOCK a room, HSs worked perfectly, could MUTE people, kick people if open room. Graphics were good enough for a PS2 game, had damage and alot more (who cares if its LIKE OMG realistic) was great offline (as ive been told). all of todays racers ALWAYS lack a huge number of these things. the best onliners ive played are RFOM & COD4

and thanks matt i wasnt aiming towards GTP but ALL games

[Red_Eyes]

How ironic.

FACT: GT5 can not be complete until it is complete, which will take a few years. PolySony have two choices.

CHOICE 1: PolySony don't release a demo. People complain that GT5 is taking too long, giving PolySony crap, and demanding a demo preview.

or

CHOICE 2: PolySony knew what's going to happen in choice one, so to prevent all that, they decided to release a demo. But then, people just proceeded to bitch about the demo.

Seriously, people are bitching that they get a chance to preview GT5. Fuck them all. There is just no way to win this generation.

EDIT: And I know that comment wasn't aim at GT5P.

[Segitz]

I really have problems comprehending the anger against Prologue...

We KNEW from the get go, that this won't be a full GT title. It costs less and delivers less, but comes here early.

I knew what would await me, because in Europe, we already got GT4P back in the day... and guess what. 5P was 10 times better than 4P, because you can do MUCH more. And then we get GTTV, which is nice all on it's own.

GT5 isn't finished by a long shot... if it was, we already would be playing it, instead of complaining about how lacking 5P was.

There are things that suck in GT5P, like the online component, but the game itself is already quite awesome...

So please stop your bickering^^ We heard it all

[Smokey]

im not angry at GTP (but a coupla yrs? give me a break) no game this gen has it all. will people please stop compaining about people complaining about GTP 'im not' complaining about it, ALL games this GEN suck arse to a fair degree. to me (being a big fan of Toca/V8s series) they shoulda kept it the way it was & just smacked some Bitchin graphics on it i woulda been pleased :)

[Killing Moon]

im not angry at GTP (but a coupla yrs? give me a break) no game this gen has it all. will people please stop compaining about people complaining about GTP 'im not' complaining about it, ALL games this GEN suck arse to a fair degree. to me (being a big fan of Toca/V8s series) they shoulda kept it the way it was & just smacked some Bitchin graphics on it i woulda been pleased :)

LOL but...isn't that what Poly did already?

Seriously though, I agree that a ton of the games this gen are supremely underwhelming. From all across the globe (and especially Japan). It's as if the lead designers (or lack thereof) have completely forgotten the essentials to complete a full, engaging game. The ironic part is that more than half the time the clues to evolving a sequel are sitting there within the IP's previous iterations.

Which is why I always say that it's necessary to pay attention to your competition and aim to surpass them. It's a shame that we become so complacent once fame and fortune hit, smothering our hunger and drive that once made us great yesteryear.

I guess common sense really isn't very common at all. *shrugs*

[arthur]

Seriously though, I agree that a ton of the games this gen are supremely underwhelming. From all across the globe (and especially Japan). It's as if the lead designers (or lack thereof) have completely forgotten the essentials to complete a full, engaging game. The ironic part is that more than half the time the clues to evolving a sequel are sitting there within the IP's previous iterations.i for one think that a lot of western developers are tired of turn based games, and they purposely give some of these games a low review, all you need to do is read the lost odyssey review done by IGN (my fav review site, but they messed that up)

Which is why I always say that it's necessary to pay attention to your competition and aim to surpass them. It's a shame that we become so complacent once fame and fortune hit, smothering our hunger and drive that once made us great yesteryear.

I guess common sense really isn't very common at all. *shrugs*well, a lot of developers never go on to change anything until they view it as necessary, that is why a lot of games have never really changed even though technology has in itself evolved, and that to me is despicable

[CARTIER90]

Iv not posted on here for aaaaaaages - just nothing keeping my interest in console gaming at mo, but GT5 was defo on my wishlist.

KM has been hit the nail on the head, GT5P, fuck it, I paid £20 or $40 for it at release, load of fucking shite ! - oh a few pretty interiors, 6 tracks !, fuck all cars, no modding. Sick of the series ,I thought online would be something, unbelievable teleporting cars from left to right, unplayable. GT1 in 98 rocked the house - ever since, total lack of interest and im a huge car fan.

2010 for GT5, jesus, there holding out or taking it slow for larger userbase, shambolic.....

[Nameless]

I just want to know when the patch will be released for improved online play with friends list and private lobby support? Once that patch hits I may actually start playing GT again...

[jaxmkii]

GT5p gave them the fiscal power to develop a GT5 for 6 years...

better be epic...

[Smokey]

I just want to know when the patch will be released for improved online play with friends list and private lobby support? Once that patch hits I may actually start playing GT again...

see this is what kills GTP for me not having this

[VG Aficionado]

Stolen from NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12851894&postcount=8441):

http://i33.tinypic.com/10hm2bq.jpg

This car, designed by Polyphony and Citroën, will be unveiled at the upcoming Paris Auto Show (Oct 4-19). And ofcourse, in similar fashion to the GT5 Prologue demo, in the game as well.

pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gtbycitroen/ (more to come)

(last month's teaser video: http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/d2526c32.html )

[GTAce]

This is soooo exciting! http://www.gtrp.de/forums/images/smilies/twinkle.gif

[VG Aficionado]

:heybaby:

[curryking1]

Polyphony helped 'design' a car with these guys? That's actually insane.

[Smokey]

thats pretty cool :)

[VG Aficionado]

Polyphony helped 'design' a car with these guys? That's actually insane.

My thought exactly. Amazing.

[Killing Moon]

Stolen from NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12851894&postcount=8441):

Sounds nice, but what did Polyphony actually DO in the process? What was their role literally?
Saying that "they" helped design it is pretty vague.

PD supposedly did the same w/ the Z33 in GT4, but in reality they just created a bodykit modification for the car within their game.

Curious.

[GTAce]

PD also designed the MFD in the GT-R R35, dont forget that.
I could imagine that they designed technical/interieur stuff, like displays, the steering wheel etc.

[Killing Moon]

PD also designed the MFD in the GT-R R35, dont forget that.
I could imagine that they designed technical/interieur stuff, like displays, the steering wheel etc.

Yeah I know.
Just all seems a bit vague. Curious to know what exactly was designed by what team members, y'know.

[masonite]

"designed" sounds like marketing to me. I'd say any input would be marginal, and Citroen is more than happy to say that poly helped design it as it appeals to the "younger" generation, and makes the car sound more like an "enthusiast" (for want of a better term) car. What is impressive is that such a major car manfacturer sees such a relationship as beneficial enough to release such claims in press releases.

Also, the amount of input can also reflect the chance of the car actually making it to, or influencing, production. If they asked Poly to come up with a design direction, it may be in opposition to the direction that citroen want to take the car in (as citroen will already have design freeze on their range over the next few years, and will already have progressed in design direction for the cars after that.

So yeah, I can't really get too excited about the idea yet, but the car itself looks like its going to be pretty cool regardless. Citroen seeking such a relationship says the car is, in any case, going to be pretty focused on handling and performance, even if it goes nowhere.

[GTAce]

New pic from the Citroen (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gtbycitroen/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3224/2877172448_86206bb389_b.jpg

[curryking1]

That's a nice spread.

I wouldn't mind having it on my bed. :D

Oh ***t back of car loaded! Looks hawt. Wait... now I can't decide if that's the front or back lol.

[Segitz]

That's a nice spread.

I wouldn't mind having it on my bed. :D

Oh ***t back of car loaded! Looks hawt. Wait... now I can't decide if that's the front or back lol.

That's clearly the front :D

[GTAce]

Yup, theres a grill, a front spoiler and you can see a headlight. ;)

[GTAce]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gtbycitroen/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2885470649_de43dc0543_b.jpg

[curryking1]

Those are some unbelievably sexy lights... I wonder who came up with those? Polyphony or Citroen? ;)

And tooz the bothz of youz... shaddup... lol.

[lips]

neat xenon (led?) lights. I suppose with new engineering arrives new styles of detailing. I will admit this seems like the first racing sim that I found really hard to put down. I cannot think of anouther sim with this much realism.

[GTAce]

New pic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gtbycitroen/)

Car is looking great!

[curryking1]

Ok that is the back right?

Looks like a spaceship on wheels (assuming their are wheels... haven't seen them to be sure >.>).

The back almost looks like a bug carapace with only that part revealed too. An awesome bug carapace mind you.

[masonite]

lights seem to have taken inspiration from the EVO X somewhat, although in a more stylistic form.

Those air dams look pretty cool though, and the guards are pumped to cartoon levels (or so it seems).

[Z]

fuuuuuuuck this car looks awesome! is it real or just a concept?
also, is that fucking in game?!
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/dies2.gif

[VG Aficionado]

http://i34.tinypic.com/hts4cy.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/33xhpqv.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/10/medium_2906222733_c7d159ec43_o.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/10/medium_2906223595_72914b46cd_o.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/10/medium_2906223705_09d46c7c7c_o.jpg


http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/10/Citroen-GT-Concept.jpg

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/nws12229420277165667.jpg

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/nws12229420276847734.jpg

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/nws12229420277491075.jpg

Citroën Officially Reveals GTbyCITROËN, Joint Venture Concept With Gran Turismo Creators (http://jalopnik.com/5057912/citron-officially-reveals-gtbycitron-joint-venture-concept-with-gran-turismo-creators)

[GTAce]

Yeah, after all the great response i was too lazy to post all of that, so thx.

Looks great, cant wait to drive it.
One of the best looking european sportscar concepts imo and you never wouldve thought thats a Citroen.

[Matt]

I know it's a concept car, but that thing is fugly.

[Segitz]

I know it's a concept car, but that thing is fugly.

Compared to all other cars Citroen, this car is BEAUTYFUL... I mean... really... Citroens are UGLY as hell^^

I like it... but where's my DAMAGE UPDATE?!?

[GTAce]

I like it... but where's my DAMAGE UPDATE?!?
Not here as you can see.

[Raitei]

that car really is hideous

[GTAce]

I dont give a damn what you guys say i like the design: http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/gtbycitroen-1/

It might be a BIT extreme but i expected worse.

[curryking1]

Are you serious? That is a ***king sexy car!! I love it! That's hawt!

It looks like a amazingly hot white Batmobile, that is definitely the coolest car ever.

[GTAce]

Let me guess that was sarcasm?

[curryking1]

No I actually like it... I'm not sure how to convey I'm not joking... >.>

I do like it, I guess no one else does.

[GTAce]

Well so do i (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1936143&postcount=3300), so high 5!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I dunno what's wrong with you guys that car is baller. I wish I could drive that around.
"Is he from the FUTURE!?"

[Sephiroth_VII]

I love the design :cloud9:

[curryking1]

I dunno what's wrong with you guys that car is baller. I wish I could drive that around.
"Is he from the FUTURE!?"

FUTUREZ?!

=-o

=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o

Only me, GTAce, Seph and Lali knowz wuts down these days...

Citroen has totally revamped it's image to my eyes lol. Every time I saw their cars in GT games I was like 'EWWW get it off my TV SCREEN NAO!'

But now when I get GT5 this will be the second car I get, after of course the first car which is to make money for this one lol.

[Leedogg]

I like it, looks pretty cool. I hate it though, not alot of concept cars look like the production cars. When they get the green light to be made.

[jaxmkii]

Awsome! its the offical car of stormtroopers!

[GTAce]

I will translate the most importand specs:

In der heiß erwarteten Gran-Turismo-5-Folge besitzt der Sportwagen (4,96 Meter lang, 2,08 Meter breit, 1,09 Meter hoch)4,96 meters long, 2.08 meters wide, 1,09 meters high eine Brennstoffzelle und zwei Batterien als Energiespeicher. Fuelcell with 2 batteries as energymemory Gleich vier E-Motoren sitzen auf den Achsen und leisten bis zu 480 kW, was 653 PS entspricht.4 e motors on the axis with up to 480 kw (653 HP) Na, wenn dieser Citroën im Spiel keine Stiche sieht ...
Nice, nice, nice.

[GTAce]

Spec III has begun

3 new cars - GT by Citroen (1.000.000), Ferrari California (300.000), Lotus Evora (100.000)

Events - event prizes have been increased and difficulties have been readjusted

Cotrollability - improved wireless controller and added key assignments for Player 2 in "Device"

Time Trial - speed limitation due to penalties have been removed and changed to invalidate laptimes

Drift Trial - changed to a rolling start

Other - corrected problem where the steering controller moves while at a standstill, improved sound volume balance for sound effects, manual updated

[Leedogg]

so GT is the update now live?

[GTAce]

Yep.

[Matt]

I'll have to fire this up later, I don't think I've played it for the last two updates.

[Nameless]

I don't plan on giving this game a lot of time until they sort out the online so you can have lobbies and race against your friends list...

I'm starting to wonder if we will ever see that update for GT Pro. :rant:

[Killing Moon]

I don't plan on giving this game a lot of time until they sort out the online so you can have lobbies and race against your friends list...

I'm starting to wonder if we will ever see that update for GT Pro. :rant:

Ditto.

Unless maybe they're working on it for a larger, more significant update. But, then again, why even release an online functional title of any sort w/o a lobby system?

That's just ignorant.

[Matt]

Poor online seems to be quite typical of a lot of Japanese-based games for some reason.

[masonite]

I guess thats why COD4 online was so unsuccessful. hang on...
;)

Not having lobbies definately sucks, but it also depends on the experience itself (although that too needs a bit of work).

[Matt]

I guess thats why COD4 online was so unsuccessful. hang on...
;)

At least with CoD4 you had the option of getting together with some friends. With this, it's complete luck if you do.

[GTAce]

Ditto.

Unless maybe they're working on it for a larger, more significant update. But, then again, why even release an online functional title of any sort w/o a lobby system?

That's just ignorant.

This wasnt the fall update, i will wait for TGS news, we could see something there.
So far im loving the update, they also changed the physics slightly at least for pad drivers, its a bit easier to handle without being unrealistic.
And its also awesome that they doubled the money for events, makes more fun making money (which i need lol).

[TimmyJ]

Poor online seems to be quite typical of a lot of Japanese-based games for some reason.

*Looks at the Metal Gear Online registration process*

Why the fuck do you even exist when we have fucking PSN!!!!?????!!!!??!?!?!?!

[Smokey]

I don't plan on giving this game a lot of time until they sort out the online so you can have lobbies and race against your friends list...

I'm starting to wonder if we will ever see that update for GT Pro. :rant:
ditto aswell
I guess thats why COD4 online was so unsuccessful. hang on...
;)

Not having lobbies definately sucks, but it also depends on the experience itself (although that too needs a bit of work).

as matt said atleast you can have 6-9 people in a room & grab host or fall into a room & ya all on the same side :)

[VG Aficionado]

http://i33.tinypic.com/2qlzpjo.jpg

[GTAce]

That 2nd pic looks so damn real, the aliasing in the actual game really is a bummer sometimes, its the only thing that destroys the illusion.

[Z]

man, GT pics never get old. :)

[curryking1]

Man they must have updated the grass very heavily because I don't remember it looking like that from the (I guess a year ago now) demo of Prologue. Looking even better and I'm glad to know it. Looks far denser, clearer and more distinct from a lateral view.

Those pics are gorgeous. They definitely don't get old, you are right, and that's probably because it's art is so realistic on top of similarly realistic geometry. :O

I very much hope that this game is 60 FPS at all times when the final game releases and I'm pretty confident they will deliver it.

[Segitz]

I very much hope that this game is 60 FPS at all times when the final game releases and I'm pretty confident they will deliver it.

Well, with Prologue they nearly achieved it (through some tricks though, like the rollings starts, were all cars are farther apart than usual and massive LOD). In same cameras in the replays and some corners, it will drop some frames, but never too many. It iritates you while driving, but it doesn't destroy the gameplay.

But, we are still a long year off till we see the real GT5 sadly... I just hope, we get some real updates for Prologue along the way (GTTV and the 3 new cars aren't that enticing... better online, a new track and damage/weather will seal the deal however)

[TimmyJ]

Honestly, I thought those shots were photographs... MILR would be happy :thumbl:

[Z]

I can smell those leather seats!

[Nameless]

^^If we just get a rock solid online system for GT5 Pro I would be very happy and can wait for the full release for Night & day tracks, damage & weather effects.

[jako]

http://i33.tinypic.com/2qlzpjo.jpg

I can't believe that those photos are in-game. I had the GT5 demo and there were some alliasing, and the models weren't that perfect.
Are you sure that this is in-game ?

If that is then they've improved a lot their engine.

p.s : do we have the date of release of GT5, I did'nt buy the prologue to get the whole game when it's done.

[masonite]

aliasing is more obvious in motion, particularly with things like the grille. They seem to have a bit of a "glow" about them. But the engine has definately improved.

[GTAce]

“GT5 Prologue Spec III” included in the new PS3®

Oct 09, 2008

For a limited time only, the Blu-ray Disc version of “Gran Turismo Prologue Spec III” will be included in the new PLAYSTATION®3 on sale from Thursday, October 30.

The new PS3® has a larger 80GB hard disk drive, and comes standard with the wireless controller with the vibration feature (DUALSHOCK®3). The suggested retail price is 39,980 yen (tax incl.)

The “Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III” that is included in the bundle is a version with all the online updates released up until October 3, 2008, to Gran Turismo 5 Prologue that was first sold on December 13, 2007.

From the start of its sales, 37 cars and 1 track has been added to the game, for a total of 74 cars and 6 tracks. Game modes such as online racing, rankings, drift trials, and 2 player battles, and other features such as the quick-tune, performance point system, and compatibility with the newest steering controllers have been added as well.

On the same day, the stand alone software version of “Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III” is planned for sale. The suggested retail price will be 4,980 yen (tax incl.) for the Blu-ray Disc version, and 4,500 yen (tax incl.) for the download version.

* Customers who own “Gran Turismo 5 Prologue” will be able to update their software to the same content and specifications as “Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III” by performing the free online update.

THE NEW STANDARD (http://www.gran-turismo.com/gt5p/index_en.html)


* All information listed in this website is for Japan. For information outside Japan, please refer to the website of your region.
http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/news/d2675.html

[Segitz]

http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/news/d2675.html

We already have Spec III, believe it or not... the last update is called Spec III (Citroen, Ferrari and Lotus cars)...

Spec III Specs (http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/news/d2648.html)

Spec III Update Notification

Oct 03, 2008

The free online update of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue to Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III has begun.

The main contents of this update are as follows:

Additional Cars
- The following 3 cars have been added, for a total of 74 cars.
- Citroën / GT by Citroën
- Ferrari / Ferrari California
- Lotus / Evora

Events
- The amount of all event prizes have been increased.
- The difficulties of all events have been readjusted.

Controllability
- Improved controllability using the wireless controller.
- Added key assignments for Player 2 in "Device"

Time Trial
- Speed limitation due to penalties have been removed, and changed to invalidate laptimes.

Drift Trial
- Changed to a rolling start.

Other
- Corrected a problem where the steering controller moves while at a standstill.
- Improved sound volume balance for sound effects.
- Manual updated

Caution:
- Please make sure to read the contents of the “Please read before the Update” news entry before proceeding with the update.


* All information listed in this website is for Japan. For information outside Japan, please refer to the website of your region.

[GTAce]

Yeah thats old, the update is already out since a week ago, but it isnt finished.
"Spec III has begun".

Lets wait and see, would be cool if they show something on TGS, but i doubt it.

[Segitz]

Yeah thats old, the update is already out since a week ago, but it isnt finished.
"Spec III has begun".

Lets wait and see, would be cool if they show something on TGS, but i doubt it.

See, I didn't see that... but... I don't hold my breath anymore

[Killing Moon]

I can't believe that those photos are in-game. I had the GT5 demo and there were some alliasing, and the models weren't that perfect.
Are you sure that this is in-game ?

If that is then they've improved a lot their engine.

p.s : do we have the date of release of GT5, I did'nt buy the prologue to get the whole game when it's done.

They're NOT in-game, but they are rendered in realtime. These are REPLAY shots, just as they were with GT4 (though those were severely doctored, disappointingly enough) and just about every other racing game.

There are a bunch of post processing effects that go into the replays which aren't done when playing the game, controller in-hand. It DOES look gorgeous though; I swore the 2nd shot was a live action photo shot.

It would be much cooler IMO if they used these effects while in game. Though there would be a framerate drop to 30 visually, in this day and age control factors are 10x's better than they were back in the PS2 era. On screen framerate and control response/framerate are drastically different and improved, so 60fps is not nearly as crucial as it once was.

I really, REALLY would prefer 30fps w/ all effects turned on. But that's just my two cents on it.

[Red_Eyes]

Maybe they could give us an option to turn it on at the cost of reduce frame rates, kinda like PC games.

[Segitz]

They're NOT in-game, but they are rendered in realtime. These are REPLAY shots, just as they were with GT4 (though those were severely doctored, disappointingly enough) and just about every other racing game.

There are a bunch of post processing effects that go into the replays which aren't done when playing the game, controller in-hand. It DOES look gorgeous though; I swore the 2nd shot was a live action photo shot.

It would be much cooler IMO if they used these effects while in game. Though there would be a framerate drop to 30 visually, in this day and age control factors are 10x's better than they were back in the PS2 era. On screen framerate and control response/framerate are drastically different and improved, so 60fps is not nearly as crucial as it once was.

I really, REALLY would prefer 30fps w/ all effects turned on. But that's just my two cents on it.

Well, first of all, my view of framerate is... make it steady and all is well, no matter if it is 60 or 30... (and I mean NO v-tear or any dropped frames!)

But then... in-game is everything for me what shows after I read "Playstation 3" that isn't prerendered. It doesn't matter if I actually control it or not. I also enjoy watching motorsport on TV, although I don't actually compete.

What I want to see is more detail on the tracks... or rather beside the tracks. Even in replay shots, some tracks look really bland (i.e. Fuji). But I most say, although I do see a difference in drive and replay modes, it isn't really that big (heat haze, more motion blur, "camera effect" and some other minor things), I doubt I'd trade in the good framerate for more blur^^ I hate blur in racing games (or rather too much blur like in all NFS, Burnout and whatnot games), heat haze would be cool, but the rest isn't worth it imho.



What PD could do is make some challenges or the licences for Prologue. AND TROPHIES :D (this is one of the games I'd play over and over to get them)

[GTAce]

some tracks look really bland (i.e. Fuji)
Watch Formula 1 tomorrow and you will see it looks like that in real life too, since Tilke raped it.

[Segitz]

Watch Formula 1 tomorrow and you will see it looks like that in real life too, since Tilke raped it.

I watched Qualifying today and that is why I said Fuji^^ What I mean is, that the stuff beside the track is just a flat low res texture... Not ugly per se, but it just doesn't really fit into the rest of the game.

btw I got F*CKING ACDC tickets today (was sold out in less than 2 hrs :D) I am SOOO FUCKING HAPPY

[Killing Moon]

Well, first of all, my view of framerate is... make it steady and all is well, no matter if it is 60 or 30... (and I mean NO v-tear or any dropped frames!)

But then... in-game is everything for me what shows after I read "Playstation 3" that isn't prerendered. It doesn't matter if I actually control it or not. I also enjoy watching motorsport on TV, although I don't actually compete.

What I want to see is more detail on the tracks... or rather beside the tracks. Even in replay shots, some tracks look really bland (i.e. Fuji). But I most say, although I do see a difference in drive and replay modes, it isn't really that big (heat haze, more motion blur, "camera effect" and some other minor things), I doubt I'd trade in the good framerate for more blur^^ I hate blur in racing games (or rather too much blur like in all NFS, Burnout and whatnot games), heat haze would be cool, but the rest isn't worth it imho.



What PD could do is make some challenges or the licences for Prologue. AND TROPHIES :D (this is one of the games I'd play over and over to get them)

Yeah, I hear you on the "bland" race courses notion. Even with courses being realistic, they don't necessarily have to be bland to a fault, y'know. And, I find that even with PD's own unique courses, they still come off very dull, which shouldn't happen.

Unfortunately, Kaz's ideal for graphical supremacy is only limited in how the cars look flawlessly. Which is okay, but I'm playing a racing game, not a showroom simulator. Visually, there just HAS to be more and for some reason he continuously doesn't get that. Maybe he's stuck in a rut, or doesn't care what people think--but either way this among other things are making GT appear outdated.

Which sucks and shouldn't be, obviously.

Watch Formula 1 tomorrow and you will see it looks like that in real life too, since Tilke raped it.

You're right, but they still don't HAVE to be dull visually. You can take a true to life track and insert a few liberties here n' there to spruce it up a bit. Just because it's a driving simulator doesn't mean it HAS to be boring.

[Red_Eyes]

Yeah, I hear you on the "bland" race courses notion. Even with courses being realistic, they don't necessarily have to be bland to a fault, y'know. And, I find that even with PD's own unique courses, they still come off very dull, which shouldn't happen.

Unfortunately, Kaz's ideal for graphical supremacy is only limited in how the cars look flawlessly. Which is okay, but I'm playing a racing game, not a showroom simulator. Visually, there just HAS to be more and for some reason he continuously doesn't get that. Maybe he's stuck in a rut, or doesn't care what people think--but either way this among other things are making GT appear outdated.

Which sucks and shouldn't be, obviously.



You're right, but they still don't HAVE to be dull visually. You can take a true to life track and insert a few liberties here n' there to spruce it up a bit. Just because it's a driving simulator doesn't mean it HAS to be boring.
They gotta make all the tracks look as good as the London track.

[GTAce]

#1 with the Jag in London! :hugegrin:

Only 12 or 14 people on that list though.

[GTAce]

Time was beaten. lol


Gran Turismo 5: Prologue in HOME:

[TimmyJ]

Well...

*is now genuinely giddy about Home*

[Nameless]

PD needs to fix the online lobby system so I can start playing this game again!

[GTAce]

Why is everyone so focused on online btw?
I think i will never understand this....

[Z]

because it is a major part of gaming. if I didn't have online, I would've left the fine CoD4 game months ago. last I played it was yesterday...and I am 3 weeks away from the end of a uni semester with 4 major assignments undone!

[GTAce]

Yeah because you play through CoD4 in 4.5 hours....

[masteratt]

I was bored one day and played it on easy.
Completed in under 3 hours.

It's awesome though, you feel like rambo, I think I got like 100 melee kills.
Just rush the fuck in and stab everyone to bits, awesome. :guns:

Anyway, GT5: Prologue...I never play it anymore lol.

[Matt]

I played it for a little while the other day and enjoyed it a lot more than I used to for some reason. I think maybe because I have a better concept of driving now.

Edit: 13,000 posts!

:pinky:

[GTAce]

Well if you drive with pad, it could be because they made the physics better for pad drivers.
I also have fun like never before, the better controls and sound (tires) are great.

[Matt]

It might be a little bit down to that. I've been playing Forza 2 online with a couple of friends, and they've been helping me out on what I'm supposed to be doing and where I'm supposed to be doing it, so that's definitely helped a lot when coming back to GT5. I still kinda suck with rear-wheel drive cars with all of the aids turned off, just not as badly as I was before.

[GTAce]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/41438.html?type=

[GTAce]

Fake alert!!!!
I just want to post it before we have a 20 site discussion about it:

[VG Aficionado]

It seems photoshopped.

[GTAce]

It is, from a GTP member, Sony Cellphone cam and Photoshop CS2. lol
Still nice though, would love damage like that (we will never see it though).

[frosty]

I'd hope it wasn't real... the physics would be terrible. And when does a head on collision leave scratches all over the windows? Guess they couldn't get the cracks right, lol.

[Z]

I saw we should completely forget about crashes till we actually see them- not hear the announcements, I mean literally see then with my one good eye!

otherwise, it would be like talking about GT PSP, which is just embarrassing and wrong...

[Sephiroth_VII]

That damage looks awful. Damn, GT5 is gonna suck...

[GTAce]

Come Drift With Me! A GT5 Prologue Challenge from Tanner Foust (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/10/22/come-drift-with-me-a-gt5-prologue-challenge-from-tanner-foust/)

+ Posted by Tanner Foust // Professional Drift and Rally Driver

Hey, PlayStation Blog readers. Some of you may know who I am. If you do, that’s great. If you don’t, let me introduce myself. My name is Tanner Foust, and I’m a professional drift, rally, and ice racer. You may have seen me in a recent Play the Pros video on PSN, where I took on some Gran Turismo fans at X Games 14 this past summer before competing in the Rally Super Special race.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3187/2964254199_1bfe5ec09e.jpg

You may have even seen me on ESPN2 or the Speed Channel, or seen my work as a stunt driver in the Bourne Ultimatum, Dukes of Hazzard, or The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3223/2964254217_a27c83956a_m.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3275/2965095792_1344e911b2_m.jpg

Hot on the heels of my 2nd place finish at the Formula DRIFT Pro Championship finals earlier this month and clinching the 2008 Formula Drift Championship, I’m gearing up to represent the US against the best drifters in the world at Red Bull Drifting World Championships on November 15-16. I’ll be competing with 31 of the world’s best drifters from 12 countries, down at the docks at the Port of Long Beach in sunny California, hoping to take home the top prize.

And I want one of you to come cheer me on! This is a challenge to all you Gran Turismo fans, and here’s all you have to do!

I am challenging all of you to post your best lap time in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, in the online race event “Tanner Foust Racing Competition.” You’ll have to bring your best driving skills and push the Nissan Fairlady Z (Japanese version of the 350Z – my drifting car of choice) around the London city track faster than anyone else. With Professional driving physics of course. You have from now until midnight on November 2 to put your skills to the test.

Second and 3rd place winners will get a cool prize package, but the 1st place winner, along with a guest, will get to come cheer me on in Long Beach at the Red Bull Drifting World Championships from the VIP section. While you’re there, I’ll also see what you’re made of when I take you on head-to-head in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (I’ve been a huge fan of the series for a long time, and use it to train and to learn tracks), and take you for a spin on some practice drift laps around the course.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3043/2964254295_14427cc350.jpg

Here are the official rules (http://www.us.playstation.com/GT5Pcontestrules/).

So, what are you waiting for?! Fire up your copy of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue! You’ve got 2 weeks to prove to everyone you’re the best racer in the US!

See you in Long Beach.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2965095592_511393aafd_o.jpg

-Tanner F

[jaxmkii]

drifting is not racing.

[GTAce]

hi every one

during my trip to japan couple of weeks ago, i had a chance to visit Polyphony Digital studio.

the day i visited the studio was a non-working day for them. but thanks to Sony for arranging with K.Y him self to be there just to meet with me


there were only me and my friend, K.Y, interpreter and a couple of sony staff. they intoduced me . and he congratulated me for my wining

the guy was super cool. he is as kind as you all know him from the videos over the internet, even more, he was so humble as if he didn't do such a great thing to the gamers world


we spend more than an hour there, and we toke a tour on the studio and he explained every section of it .


after that we sit and start my Q&A as if i were investigating him

i asked i alot of question, maybe some questions been asked before by magazines, i think other haven't been asked before.

i really want to write everything here but i'll just stick with whats most important info he gave me.

to be honest alot of his answers i felt like he didn't want to expose detailed info.


-first of all i asked him about the Nurburgring, when its coming ? and what takes it so long? and i told him that alot of people waiting for such a great track.

-K.Y simply said its gonna be in GT5

- then i said GT5!!!! Ohh my God !! thats way to far from now.

- "he laughed" and said : why are you saying that ?

-Me: because of what i know is that the team still didn't think even of targeting a release date for GT5 and to be honest i dont believe GT5 will come before 2 years which is a long time/

-K.Y : "2 years hahaha, no no. dont worry much about that its gonna be sooner than expected"

- Me : any hint about when?

K.Y: he laughed again and said soon.

-Me: how do you get the feedback from the gamres of the game ?

-K.Y: we have a staff that surfs the internet specially looking for such detailes, collected from reviews, forums ....etc.

-Me: is it these informations taken only from japanese gamers?

K.Y: No, we also look into europe and the u.s gamres

Me: any near update coming to GT5 Prologue?

K.Y: we just released the Spec 3 update and about future update there is for sure.

Me: is it soon ?

K.Y: "smiled" we will anounce it in our website before there is any update. but we will anounce the information only before an update is goin to be released in a couple of days like what we did in spec 3. even GT5 will release at the same way "laughing" we will do every thing as a surprise.

Me: about being able to have our own private room for racing is it coming soon ? a 1000's of people were hoping such a feature is coming to the last update (spec3). and i think its the most important feature that the game should consist . rather than what we do now from syncronizing our watches just to meet our friends on a race (and i explained to him how)

K.Y: "laughed" thats crazy but also that feature is coming to GT5 for sure .

Me: ok there is one question that have never been asked before, and a detail that had never been officialy mentioned any where. which is the "catch up mode" or "Boost" as GT4 stated it, some people call it "Rubber band effect" whats the deal with that ? everyone is annoyed of it , is there is any chance to get rid of it in the future?

K.Y: "ahhaaa" we but that feature to allow a fair race for everyone for instance, if you started in the 16th position in a rooling start at fuji-speedway there is no way to win the race. also it does help but not that much. its only active when the gap is huge (more than 2 seconds). also there were some event that the RBE were not active. we will only remove it completly only when there is going to be a qualifying laps to sent every on position in the starting grid. Plus only very good and proffesional players will like playing without it active.

Me : what does it actually do ? is more grip ? or more speed ? for the left behind cars . or less grip, speed for the leading car?

K.Y: its a compination of both grip and speed for both.

then he asked me whats your favorite track in the game?

i told him suzuka .

then he said ok .. then we'll but an event called super-proffesional-event where the RBE will be disabled just for you "and he smiled"

then i asked him about porsche and lamporghini's are they goin to be in the game? why isn't already?

K.Y: the thing is we are working on it , because like the porsche have some contracts with other games manufacturer, and those contracts has just ended so its possible for us now to negotiate.

Me : what about the damage feature ? how far is it?

K.Y :thats also coming. the negotiations are taking place already. the only problem is that some manufacturer like porsche (NOTICE HE SAID PORSCHE, DOES THAT MEAN SOMTHING ALREADY HAPPINING) say's its ok to crash and total our cars we have no problem, and other manufacturer like Ferrari say's : we won't allow you to show some damage on our cars even if its the side view mirror damage .

then i asked him : is there is anything you can show me that have never been anounced. or anything new?

K.Y: what would you like to see?

Me: Nurbargring maybe..!

then we walked to the console and started it, and it started as some data base with alot of cars names and alot of tracks, me and my friend tried hard to look into the list, what i can say is that there were a lot of cars.

he asked me what car to chose. i said F430. then he started the game and said here you go give it a try

i was about to cry that moment. a full lap in ferrari F430 at the Nurburgring and K.Y him self watching me .

after i finished a full lap he said wait ...... he changed somthing and said here you go .. its the lemans track give it a try.

everything was happening like a dream to me my mind stoped thinking whats going on

after i finished a full lap at leman's track.

i thanked him for his time and toke a couple of pictures with him .

but the surprises didn't stop there.

he bring to me a Ceramic-White PlayStaion3 console and a White PSP and said "if you have some space in the airplane you can take it with you this CW PS3 model havent been released yet in the market (i think he mean the japanese market)

i asked him for a signature on the PS3 and the PSP and he said yes sure

that was one day that i'll never forget, i really had fun. he was dealing with us as a friends.


i know i missed a lot of questions i didn't mentioned here but this is what i remember and most important info.

guys please forgive me if my english isn't that good, its my second spoken language. so please take it easy on me about the grammer and the spelling thing


Peace
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111878

There are also pics inside.

[VG Aficionado]

Nice tidbits in there :cowboy: Now, if only they announced anything...

[Red_Eyes]

Damn! That was nice.

[Sephiroth_VII]

HOLY FUCKING FUCK SHIT!

That guy is soooooo lucky... :cry2:

[masteratt]

OH wow man, what a great day for him and congrats to him, he asked better questions than most of the media!!
He definitely sounds like he didn't take a second for granted, well done :)

I'm not a big GT fan but if an opportunity came and the same thing happened to me at the Kojima Studios, I would probably wet my pants.

[section]

So the initials for that jelly come from Kazunori Yamauchi... wow :)

Strange that Ferrari wouldn't allow damage in GT5, I gather they have Ferrari's in Project Gotham series and Forza also.

[GTAce]

Ariel Atom for GT5 confirmed?
UfO_5fiCh8Y
(skip to 3:37)
Thanks to mink from www.gtrp.de who found this. :thumbl:

[Raitei]

might be... looks like 'arill' to me

[GTAce]

It is "Ariel", it is the Ariel logo and there is no manufacturer called "Arill"....

[Segitz]

But maybe Ariel has some different NEW things in the pipeline too^^ (an even smaller Atom with a turbocharged Hayabusa engine comes to mind)!

But an Atom wouldn't be misplaced... Love this car! (Maybe they add a Jezza skin to the game^^)

[GTAce]

A Sneak Peak Of Some Gran Turismo 5 Cars

Posted by: Bradley Wint on November 15, 2008 at 1:57 pm .

A post at Jeff Staples’ blog (some text in Japanese) was sent to me via e-mail, which contained some info about Gran Turismo 5. He recently got the chance to visit Polyphony’s studio in Tokyo and got some really interesting information. The general post highlighted the advances of the GT title, as well as gave us a lot of insider information as to how the game is made, about the staff and developers and much more. We also get to see some of the vehicles coming to GT5.

Mercedes C63 AMG
http://www.autogamingcentral.com/cache/gt5_rum_c63-300x300-0-img1615.jpg
http://www.autogamingcentral.com/cache/gt5_rum_c63-300x300-0-img1615.jpg
From this diagram, we see what looks like a Mercedes C63 AMG. However I do not see the front fog light in the model, as you would see in the real C63 AMG. However, the grill and bumper flare kits look very much like the C63’s. Check out the real one below and tell us what you think.
http://www.autogamingcentral.com/cache/mercedes-c63-amg1-300x300-0-img1616.jpg
Maserati Spyder (2004)
http://www.autogamingcentral.com/cache/gt5_rum_masa1-300x300-0-img1617.jpg
http://www.autogamingcentral.com/cache/gt5_rum_masa2-300x300-0-img1618.jpg
http://www.autogamingcentral.com/cache/gt5_rum_masa3-300x300-0-img1619.jpg
We can see the GT team taking lots of photo shots, as well as recording engine and environmental sounds.

Unknown Car
http://www.autogamingcentral.com/cache/gt5_rum_un-300x300-0-img1620.jpg
I personally know very little about older classics, so I have not the slightest clue as to what car this could possibly be. However it was shown in the modeling process.
http://www.autogaming.net/ps3/1614/a-sneak-peak-of-some-gran-turismo-5-cars/

Click on the link for bigger pics.

[curryking1]

*wants... so bad*

Game looks too good for it's own good. And for mine...

When are we going to see a blow out!? Good grief...

[GTAce]

The unknown car seems to be a Fiat 500 btw.

Here are even more dev pics, including a BMW Z4 M Coupe cockpit "flying" over the Tsukuba Curcuit (so we can confirm 3 new cars plus Tsukuba for GT5). http://www.todarrinhudson.com/2008/10/gran-turismo.html

[curryking1]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FmIQvAuJZXc/SPERwIrQrSI/AAAAAAAAARk/ke7lwUDDGQA/s400/IMG_2135.jpg

OMG Yamauchi don't smoke!!!

We need you to live forever to keep making Gran Turismo!!!! :cry2:

[masteratt]

Oh hell yeah!!!! 8-)

Smoking just got 10 times cooler!!! :smoke:

[GTAce]

This bit is very interesting:
For most games, the sound affects are a generic "vroom-vroom" noise (GT is well known for exactly this :laugh:). The Polyphony guys take it to the next level. They bring in each and every vehicle and record their engine noises in full detail. They also take the time to shoot every conceivable angle for their rendering artists to reference.

They record sound from the exterior and interior of the car. As well as at every gear and RPM. And if its a convertible? Of course they capture how it sounds with the top down and with the top up. Can you say O.C.D.??
So maybe finally real engine sounds? PLEASE!!!

[curryking1]

Well hopefully it truly is every car, in and out, and at every gear+RPM combination, that's what really matters right?

[GTAce]

Well at least some of the cars should sound real.
I mean they made some in Prologue pretty good, like the F430, F40 and even the F1 car at least reminds you on the real one.
But its still missing a lot of the punch from real engines.

[Leedogg]

man do I wish I lived in Tokyo, I would find a way to sneak in their studio. And :drool: all over the place.

[Z]

and some people wondered why they would release Prologue. lol

and man, I think the end of the GT team will be tragic. they will start to question life itself then get frustrated for how limited the real thing is. they'll all end in an asylum for nut-jobs and they will fill the room with vague scribbles that look like gibberish to the common man. but to us PS fans, we know they are hints and blue prints to the 'perfect' GT game that may be possible to achieve in the year 2157.

[masonite]

It'll still get delayed till 2160....

[VG Aficionado]

I don't believe for a minute it'll be out before 2010. I'll have to see it to believe it, although I've got the feeling they won't be releasing more updates for GT5P soon in order to focus on GT5. It might be the reason why it still didn't get crash damage, trophies and whatnot.

[Segitz]

I don't believe for a minute it'll be out before 2010. I'll have to see it to believe it, although I've got the feeling they won't be releasing more updates for GT5P soon in order to focus on GT5. It might be the reason why it still didn't get crash damage, trophies and whatnot.

It depends... do you mean by "out" in Japan or Worldwide? If in Japan, it will be 2009, I am sure of it, but 2010 will be surely the date for Europe and the US sadly...

[Z]

am I the only one that feels this GT will be the only GT game on PS3?

I think they'll push it with DLC post-launch and wouldn't need to release another full title.
maybe they'll even start working on the PS4 version?

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah, I really don't think they'll release another game, they'll just update GT5.

[jaxmkii]

im cool with that

[VG Aficionado]

As long as that means they won't release it too late and that its content won't get stale, I'd support that too.

[masonite]

As long as theres a good online service to ensure longevity, craash damage works well and features are implemented (or at least patched in) that add features that are long overdue such as weather (which needs to make a comeback) and day/night cycles. Those three things alone will, for me at least, make the longer races worth enduring (and really add the "endurance" aspect - so far its simply been a matter of how long i can stay awake for).

[Z]

Gran Turismo in 4 times the resolution of Full HD

Polyphony Digital also presented two technological trials for the next generation at this event. Both of the presentations, were founded on the philosophy of “achieving the highest possible quality” held over the years by Gran Turismo.

One of these, was a time trial competition using Sony’s newest digital cinema projector, the “SRX-S110”. Gran Turismo 5 prologue is already in Full HD resolution at 1920 x 1080 pixels, providing the highest resolution possible in today’s TV content. However in this time trial, the Full HD image was increased to twice the resolution both vertically and horizontally (4x the surface area), enabling game play at an ultra high resolution of 3840 x 2160 pixels. This was performed by connecting and synchronizing four Playstation 3’s outputting a quarter of the image each at 1920x1080 pixels, but you must remember this demands an extremely high quality image from the source that can withstand the ultra high resolution. It can be said that this demonstration was only made possible, because the source image was Gran Turismo.

What supported this time trial on the display side, was the newest digital cinema projector from Sony, the SRX-110. This “4K”SXRD”(*1) projector is the next generation in projector technology, enabling a resolution of 4096 x 2160 pixels, equivalent to the high resolution image of 35mm film. The high 4000:1 device contrast ratio and a response time of 5 milliseconds, also adds to the level of breathtaking image expression introduced here.

The crowd was simply amazed by the clarity of the image displayed on the massive 220 inch screen, and the players who participated in the time trial expressed their excitement of how perfectly in focus the screen is even close up, and at the quality of Gran Turismo.

*1: Abbreviation for Silicon X-tal Reflective Display. A reflective LCD display device using monocrystalline silicon with aluminum mirrors as the drive element.
http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/sp/d2788.html

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/2788/illustration1.jpg

it is official' PD has gone fucking nuts...

[curryking1]

I have a question: Who the ***k has four Playstation 3's? I'm sure the demo was super fantastic and but I'm also sure I will never experience it in my life.

Someone please tell me Polyphony is still working on Gran Turismo for 1 Playstation 3 before I start crying...

[yoshaw]

They also showed a 240fps demo with 4 PS3's and Gran Turismo.

The Ultra-Real, 240fps Demonstration

The other display was a playable demonstration on a Nano-Spindt FED / Field Emissions Display developed by Sony, with a frame rate of 240fps (240 frames per second).

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue has already achieved a frame rate of 60p (progressive), but in this demo, Gran Turismo was made playable at four times this frame rate at 240fps.

The SXRD demonstration described above used four PS3’s to improve image quality, but this used the same to increase the frame rate.

The display used in this demonstration was the 19 inch nano-Spindt FED screen produced by FE Technologies, who is a company that has taken over the development of the FED technology that was being developed at Sony. This display contains over 10,000 electron sources called the nano-spindt emitter, per pixcel. A fluorescent substance is exposed to the electrons from the emitters to produce light, and this format is very close to a cathode-ray tube in principle. The resulting view angle is wider in comparison to a LCD panel, and it shows superior performance when displaying moving images, with no blurring of the outline.


Good God, can't imagine how smooth that realtime gameplay must have been. Like real life I'd assume.

[Z]

nobody said anything about gameplay. this is done purely to show off the projector.

PS. the most retarded feature is when you can have three TVs two on each side of you while you are playing and one in front of you hooked up to 3 consoles with three game discs just that you can drive the car using the interior camera and the two TVs on your sides will act like the left and right window so you'd feel you are actually inside a car. yes, a previous GT title featured this...

[yoshaw]

nobody said anything about gameplay. this is done purely to show off the projector.

Z, you sure? Coz this is what I read.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue has already achieved a frame rate of 60p (progressive), but in this demo, Gran Turismo was made playable at four times this frame rate at 240fps.

:whip:

[Z]

of course it was made playable. why the hell wouldn't it using all the resources it is using?
simple questions: is this a game feature? was it ever intended as such? will anyone with any shred of sanity consider this as a feature? the answer to all the above is NO.

they specifically made it possible to show off the projector. nothing more.

[masonite]

Considering each story goes into technical detail about the display, rater than the playstations, i'd say Z is on the money.

[Red_Eyes]

of course it was made playable. why the hell wouldn't it using all the resources it is using?
simple questions: is this a game feature? was it ever intended as such? will anyone with any shred of sanity consider this as a feature? the answer to all the above is NO.

they specifically made it possible to show off the projector. nothing more.
But if they made it already, then why not just use it as a feature, instead of throwing it away like a waste?

[VG Aficionado]

I have a question: Who the ***k has four Playstation 3's?

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[Matt]

God I hate English people... ¬_¬

[Z]

But if they made it already, then why not just use it as a feature, instead of throwing it away like a waste?

they can and absolutely no one will use it. you need 3 PS3s, 3 TVs and 3 game copies. saying even %0.01 of users will use this feature is a dream.

also, the degree of implementation isn't clear to say 'just don't bother removing it and leave it for heck's sake'. maybe it is not functional past a specific track, game mode and vehicle. who knows. all we know is that this is not a game feature and is only done for demonstrating purposes. it's like saying why didn't they keep the PS3 tech demos installed on the HDDs of PS3 sold- which in fact is something I would have loved. now something like that may very well have purchasing effect on others.

*still remembers the T-Rex and sting ray tech demo disc included with PSOne*

[Leedogg]

They also showed a 240fps demo with 4 PS3's and Gran Turismo.



Good God, can't imagine how smooth that realtime gameplay must have been. Like real life I'd assume.

I thought the human brain is only fast enough to process up to 150 fps?

[VG Aficionado]

Every time you hear someone stating "the human eye can't see more than X fps" or "the human brain can't tell the difference between X and Y fps", they have no idea what they're talking about and they don't even have a source.

[Red_Eyes]

they can and absolutely no one will use it. you need 3 PS3s, 3 TVs and 3 game copies. saying even %0.01 of users will use this feature is a dream.
I will use this feature. And I am part of that 0.01% of users.

[section]

About the Turismo sound, what I'm afraid is that they already use the real, recorded sounds in GT5:P but it's lacking the oomph because they either

a) have not used microphones capable of lower end sounds
b) have used good recording equipment but haven't been able to capture the lower register for some reason and didn't enhance low register afterwards

[cliffbo]

Kazunori: Big online plans for Gran Turismo
Monday 24-Nov-2008 12:30 PM But hardware and the internet will need to improve, says GT boss
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Kazunori Yamauchi has huge plans for online components in the Gran Turismo series, but says technology will need to improve to accommodate his vision.

"We've only done a very small part of what we want to do online, and of course there's a lot of things you can do online that we haven't even touched yet," he said when asked of the future of the Gran Turismo series.

"A lot of that will not only depend on the advancement of the hardware, but of the infrastructure of the internet - connection speeds and things like that," he added.

"We're going to need a lot of software improvements, hardware improvements and infrastructure improvements all around the world. What we have to look as what we are going to do when the internet connection speeds are 10,000 times faster than what it is now," he added.

That's pretty forward thinking, but we're still waiting for Gran Turismo 5. On that, Kazunori said: "There's no real plans that we can discuss right now, but production is moving forward."

And the PSP version? "I can only answer the same of that as well, but it is moving forward. It hasn't knocked off the plans - it's there," he told IGN in an interview.

C'mon Polyphony. Get a move on, lads.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=202377

[GTAce]

Im slowely starting to get angry.
Just gimme news Polyphony, not shit like that.

And i am VERY patient usually, but this is annoying.
I need a racing sim ARHG.

[cliffbo]

Im slowely starting to get angry.
Just gimme news Polyphony, not shit like that.

And i am VERY patient usually, but this is annoying.
I need a racing sim ARHG.

yeah, that's what i thought. it's almost as if he wants to leapfrog the PS3 and concentrate on the PS4. it makes me wonder if they are falling into the trap of simply wanting more power rather than trying to harness what is already there. are they getting lazy?

[GTAce]

No no nononono not lazy, i wouldnt call them lazy because they are working a lot and hard, no doubt about that, but they at least should show something or give us new tracks for Prologue. 8/

[Z]

I will use this feature. And I am part of that 0.01% of users.

more power to you. did you use the similar feature in GT4?

[Gegenki]

Why not put this 4 PS3 thing in Arcades?
That would own. Whichever arcade got that would take teh biggest earnings.

[Raitei]

well no it wouldn't.

how many people in arcades play sim racers? They generally play racers where your foot never leaves the acceleration

[cliffbo]

Get GT5 Prologue Stuff Via Playstation Home Beta

Posted by: Bradley Wint on November 24, 2008 at 5:36 pm .

Over at the GTPlanet forums, a guy called Marky264 discovered that you can get some cool Gran Turismo 5: Prologue stuff, including future information about private multiplayer races. This only applies to folks who received invites to try out the beta version of Playstation Home, and it should be noted that these selected individuals need to have or create a Japanese PS3 account. Once inside the Home Beta area (using Japanese account), you will see the Tokyo Game Show 08 booth become available. Once in there, you can get access to GT5: Prologue racing pods, with some content worthwhile of checking out. Please note that the actual content doesn’t come alive till some time in the future, but just letting you know it’s there.

Nice to see fans finding these little details. Keep it up. Here are also some pics of the Playstation Home GT5 Pod seat and a couple other interesting features.

http://www.autogaming.net/ps3/1687/get-gt5-prologue-stuff-via-playstation-home-beta/

[GTAce]

Here are also some pics of the Playstation Home GT5 Pod seat and a couple other interesting features.
:huh:

But yeah, it seems like HOME really will be the GT5P lobby.

EDIT: The last screen looks like a gamelaunch screen "Buy GT5 Prologue in the Store or on BD to progress", and no i dont speak Japanese at all. lol

[Nameless]

The whole internet statement seems ridiculous IMO...
I would agree some amazing things could be done with proper bandwidth & internet infrastructure, but there's no excuse to omit basic features from the current title like a true private lobby system & spectator mode. If they just got to the level of other titles like PGR & Forza from an online perspective they would be ahead of the game based on the quality of GT5.

They can save the lofty visionary bullshit until they get up to speed with current racing titles from an online feature set perspective. :rant:

[GTAce]

Imo they have to make the offline stuff ready first.
I dont understand all the rants about the shitty onlinemode when there are many features and things they should work on that have nothing to do with online.

[Nameless]

^Well online is what drives the value of the game & based on current titles in the genre it's an expected part of the standard feature set.

I will pass on GT5 if the game does not have a more robust online system & vehicle damage period. I don't care how amazing the game looks if it does not have these standard features it's not a complete game IMO.

Let's be real asking for damage & proper online modes is a more than reasonable request...

[GTAce]

It is but there are also a lot of other things that are important too that are still missing and before complain about something that got adressed 1000000000000000000000 times i would also try to look at the other things.
Yes GT5 Prologue has an incomplete online mode but it is a Prologue, its not mean to be perfectly done and a private lobby system and voice chat are the only 2 things that arent there. And if you want the features that are in the other games why dont you just play them? You have a 360, play Forza and have fun with it. But please tell me why youre ranting about GT when you only want the stuff thats already there in other games and dont say "i always liked GT" because this is nonesense, the name of the game is irrelevant.

[Nameless]

^It's very simple man...
I want the visuals, physics & racing experience of GT with the standard features of other titles. Honestly if it was not for the visuals & realism of GT5P I would have not bothered playing the game, because it lacks most common features in other racing titles.

The only reason I started to rant was because the current internet statement sounds like a weak ass excuse to omit many standard online features...

[GTAce]

Well thats okay and cool, i only asked because im sick of all the people saying "who needs GT, Forza is the new Gran Turismo" but complaining all the time about GT. :)

[jaxmkii]

they can and absolutely no one will use it. you need 3 PS3s, 3 TVs and 3 game copies. saying even %0.01 of users will use this feature is a dream.

also, the degree of implementation isn't clear to say 'just don't bother removing it and leave it for heck's sake'. maybe it is not functional past a specific track, game mode and vehicle. who knows. all we know is that this is not a game feature and is only done for demonstrating purposes. it's like saying why didn't they keep the PS3 tech demos installed on the HDDs of PS3 sold- which in fact is something I would have loved. now something like that may very well have purchasing effect on others.

*still remembers the T-Rex and sting ray tech demo disc included with PSOne*

um get yourself and 2 gt loving buds and have at it. fishstyx and I would do this monthly with friends on gt3/4

[Gegenki]

well no it wouldn't.

how many people in arcades play sim racers? They generally play racers where your foot never leaves the acceleration

Thats because there aren't any. They are all made by sega, they all handle like shit, and its really easy to get a go on one the moment you walk into the arcade.
Put this thing in trocodero and people will come from all over europe and make a special visit to trocodero just to play GT in 240 frames if its as good as they say. They could even change that little video in teh game to advertise it on the london level and point out the entrance in the game.

Games have so much untapped marketing potential its a joke. Its the failing marketers of today that make me want to go into marketing. I could make an easy life for myself

[arthur]

^It's very simple man...
I want the visuals, physics & racing experience of GT with the standard features of other titles. Honestly if it was not for the visuals & realism of GT5P I would have not bothered playing the game, because it lacks most common features in other racing titles.

The only reason I started to rant was because the current internet statement sounds like a weak ass excuse to omit many standard online features...
GT franchise has a long ways to go, and this is coming from a once hardcore GT fan

[GTAce]

DTEKWnsroY8

[masonite]

Just bought a Logitech G25 - anyone else have one? any idea what difference it makes to the game? this is the first wheel ive bought since a Mad Katz wheel for PS1, and looks like a pretty big improvement (and so it should be, considering the price :)).

I need ideas for the best way to set it up too - always had trouble with the old wheel moving around too much, and want a nice setup without having to build a whole rig-type thing...

[GTAce]

Well i cant tell you much because i cant drive with a wheel, but dont forget to press, i think triangle while driving, so you activate the clutch pedal.

[VG Aficionado]

http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-coming-christmas-2009/

From a very surprising yet highly reliable source, we’ve got the most likely and realistic Gran Turismo 5 release date! Sony’s chief executive in southern Europe, James Armstrong, revealed in a statement to Spanish newspaper El Financiero that we can expect the game to arrive (in Europe, at least) Christmas 2009. Here’s the full translated quote:

For next year, the chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment for southern Europe said that they are developing a new game thriller, in which the player may be designing their own history, and the new version of Gran Turismo, which will arrive at Christmas.I'll believe it when I see it. I'm sure they delayed / canceled the GT5P car damage feature to focus on its implementation in GT5. Hopefully we will learn about it at E3 next year or TGS 09 at the latest, because they're taking a long, long time. At least it'll be worth it.

The second game must be Heavy Rain.

[GTAce]

Lol i just wanted to post that.^^

It gives me hope, which sucks because i know i will be dissapointed.

[Z]

Gran Turismo 5 in Christmas 2009

Sony's chief executive in southern Europe, James Armstrong, revealed in a statement to Spanish newspaper El Financiero that we can expect the game to arrive (in Europe, at least) Christmas 2009.
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-238278.aspx

don't know if this is legit or not.

[Matt]

Z, VG posted that two posts ago!

[VG Aficionado]

:cowboy:

[Z]

Z, VG posted that two posts ago!

I blame DeJa Vu!

[zero 7]

hopefully we'll still get some sweet GT5 P updates in the mean time

[GTAce]

Heh, whatever....

[curryking1]

Updates? Release? GT5?

Naawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.......

I swear I got GT3 in the Feb following my PS2 purchase. I can't remember when my parents bought me the PS2 though...

But anyway... GT5 is taking too long. When I bought the PS3 I surely would've expected to be playing my GT5 by at the very latest H1 2009...

[Segitz]

Somehow all games took too long...

As I said some time ago, the PS3 was released a year to early, and I still stand by that, and those game show it to us.

I mean, no FF, no GT, no Tekken etc... all games, which were always "near launch" titles and now they are mid "season". The PS2 was still more than viable in 2006 and through 2007, so ... Sony should've just released the PS3 in late 2007 with better hardware (meaning RAM and GPU). This would've easily turned the tide in their favor. (maybe not for BDROM though)

[Chrome]

Just bought a Logitech G25 - anyone else have one? any idea what difference it makes to the game? this is the first wheel ive bought since a Mad Katz wheel for PS1, and looks like a pretty big improvement (and so it should be, considering the price :)).

I need ideas for the best way to set it up too - always had trouble with the old wheel moving around too much, and want a nice setup without having to build a whole rig-type thing...

I own the Logitech G25 and it's easily the best wheel for any racing game, I would advise you to save some pennies and get a racing seat. A G25 and a racing seat is something to behold.

I've seen a table and chair setup over at racesimcentral.com

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/ <--- excellent site

Towards the bottom of the page you'll find "Hardware and Software discussions then in a sub forum "Build you own cockpit, Wheel etc.." I don't know if this link works as it didn't for me http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=186

[curryking1]

As I said some time ago, the PS3 was released a year to early, and I still stand by that, and those game show it to us.

I'm on the same page Segitz.

At the same time though it is hard to predict what sort of scenario the PS3 would be in if it had launched in 2007 instead. In a lot of ways it seems that the 2006 launch was the best way to go considering all things.

[masonite]

Thanks for that chrome, just what i needed! Might try and make a set up if i have some spare time (and a spare car seat ;)) Otherwise i'll try and just make a nice bench to mount the wheel onto...

[Smokey]

Christmas 2009 you have got to be fucking kidding me.............

what a joke

[VG Aficionado]

That would be sooner than I would expect.

[Segitz]

That would be sooner than I would expect.

For Japan yes, for Europe no...

In the past, PD always released GTs in Japan for Christmas and in March for Europe... even GT5P stayed true. So I either expect that PD streamlined their "translation department", or they delay the Japan release for Christmas.

[VG Aficionado]

Hehe, I don't want to expect anything before 2010.

[Segitz]

Hehe, I don't want to expect anything before 2010.

???

[OmniCloud]

Well, I'll be perfectly fine getting the GT that's out now if they added damage to it...

[VG Aficionado]

???

To avoid disappointment. It's Polyphony, they take their time.

[GTAce]

Well, I'll be perfectly fine getting the GT that's out now if they added damage to it...

Wont happen. ;)

I really want to play GT5P more but im sick of the tracks.
I never liked Suzuka, Fuji is too wide and boring since its redesign, High Speed Ring is too Easy, Eiger Nordwand is great but im racing this track since GTHD at PS3 launch, im not a city track fan so London is also more meh after a while & the Daytona Superspeedway is a bit boring.
Only track i want to drive anymore is Daytona Road, but this isnt enough.

I want a track like Citta di Aria, El Capitan or LeMans (i dont need to mention the Nordschleife but this is too unrealistic).

[Segitz]

Yeah, El Capitan ftw!!! I also "hate" Suzuka... But I do quite like Fuji, even after the renovation.

I usually hate city tracks too, but not all of them. Many are quite interesting... but often they are too narrow for my way of driving (i.e. like crap^^, because I don't have patience).

And I want RALLYE... GIMME RALLYE... GIMME RALLYE... and gimme MUCH more tuning options! And gimme more "low end" races... I usually love those the most! Even the 2CV races were fun :D (Fiat 500 ones were the best though :D)

[zero 7]

i would love to see Grindlewald Tahiti Road and pikes peak return from GT2 i loved them tracks

[Segitz]

Oh man... yeah

Grindelwald was great and Pikes Peak also

But I don't care for the Special Stage tracks (the night time tokyo or whatever tracks...) I find them boring and remind me of Ridge Racer^

I love that they'll include The Topgear Testtrack :D

[GTAce]

December 4th, 2008
http://www.gtpla.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/tuned-skyline.jpg
Sure, we’ve seen plenty of cars from the real world introduced into the Gran Turismo games - it happens at SEMA each year. We’ve even got the GTbyCitroen, a real world concept crafted by Polyphony Digital themselves. What we haven’t seen, until now, is a car coming out of the game into real life. According to early rumors, that’s exactly what is about to happen with the Tuned Nissan Skyline Coupe (V36) that we all know from Gran Turismo 5 Prologue.
http://www.gtpla.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/aw0005h-150x150.jpg The car will apparently be crafted by high-end Japanese tuning shop Zele Performance, to be introduced at the 2009 Tokyo Auto Salon in January. We’ll keep an eye on this and post more details as they emerge…
http://www.gtplanet.net/

[curryking1]

I'm really glad Polyphony is continuing making real cars.

Great stuff.

Ya not really, ***k that. This is just frustrating. Where's my ***king game?

[GTAce]

Polyphony is not building the car, Zele Performance makes it, it wont effect the development at all, Jesus...

[jaxmkii]

To avoid disappointment. It's Polyphony, they take their time.

they started work on gt5 in Q1 of 2004... thats five fucking years... they took there time and then some plus got a major funding boost from gt5p... better be epic.

EDIT: is it possible its closer to done than we know but there spending time adding cars tracks features while they waiting for a bigger install base?

[Segitz]

EDIT: is it possible its closer to done than we know but there spending time adding cars tracks features while they waiting for a bigger install base?

I think so too... this christmas would not be a good release too (too many other games plus Motorstorm).

I'd wager a release mid next year maybe... or as always christmas in Japan and March in Europe (which'd suck major balls (over a year wait still)...

[Nameless]

Well, I'll be perfectly fine getting the GT that's out now if they added damage to it...

Agreed...
If they just update GT5P with damage & more robust online play I would be good until 2010. At this point if they do not address these issues in the GT5 release I will pass, because I don't play GT5P anymore due to lack of these features.

I'm a graphics nut, but great visuals only get you so far. If the game does not have enough depth & features the gameplay get's stale really fast.

[GTAce]

Play GT5 Prologue with WRC Stars (http://www.gtplanet.net/play-gt5-prologue-with-wrc-stars/)
December 16th, 2008

Visitors from France, votre attention s’il vous plaît! Citroen launched a new competition yesterday, and it could put you head-to-head with World Rally Champion Sébastien Loeb. Visitors to Citroen’s C42 Showcase on the Champs-Élysées in Paris can hop in to a GT5 Prologue racing pod and set the fastest lap in a GTbyCitroen (of course). The four fastest drivers get the chance to meet and compete against all of Citroen’s WRC drivers and co-drivers, including Loeb, Daniel Elena, Dani Sordo and Marc Marti in the game. If you’re interested, though, you’d better act fast - hot laps are accepted until this Thursday, December 18, and the competition itself takes place on December 20, 2008.

Even if you don’t break in to the top times, you’ll still get to see the one and only real-life model of the GT byCitroen - they may even be taking orders. We don’t have any details about the physics settings or track used to set hot laps, so if one of you get the chance to stop by C42 and check it out, please leave a note in our comments or send us your pictures from the event. Check out Citroen’s full press release for all the details.

[Segitz]

qouted text...

DON'T CARE... GIMME GT5 NEWS fgs!

[GTAce]

Yeah its really depressing. *sniff*

[Smokey]

no damage & no way to make own room... no use buying shit

[jaxmkii]

no damage & no way to make own room... no use buying shit

add dynamic day/night/weather or don't even bother with endurance races... its stupid when the 24hours of le mans is always 12noon and dry. WWTTFF!?

[Smokey]

im just really dissapointed with racing games (sims) for PS3. we need the real TOCA/V8s back. just want some DECENT ONLINE racing sims. toca/v8s wasnt the be all & end all but it had everything ya wanted.. Rooms, chatting, damage, tons of different racing categories, wheel (with excellent adjustments to suit anyone). you could race 161 laps at Bathurst (which we did when it came around in our online championship) lucky their is good FPS on PS3 as i might have to switch sides (hasnt come to that yet) but FFS give me a GODDAM good racer. and to be honest GT5 aint gonna be that racer......

[GTAce]

I was in a GAME store here in Sweden this afternoon and saw a box with GT5 logo on. The box said that it was possible to pre order GT5, nothing unusual with that. What did however caught my eye was the date on the back 13/4 2009 as release date. I'll try to get a photo of it tomorrow when I go and shop some more Christmas gifts. This might just be a handmade box to get people to pre order it.
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3252216#post3252216
Take it with a pinch of salt, but since theres NOTHING new about GT5, i thought i should post it here.

[zero 7]

i live in hope but i have a little doubt

[VG Aficionado]

Hehe, no way.

[GTAce]

I have a dream!



Playing GT5 before i die. lol

[VG Aficionado]

:lol:

[Nameless]

What happened to the fall GT5P update that was suppose to offer an option for private / friends list races?

I guess the online update is going to hit the same time we see damage on GT5 and that would be; never...

[GTAce]

It was never supposed to get a lobby system, they just said "the update will be primary focused on the online mode" and well, they said they want to release it in fall. There will be another update, the question is when.

Maybe when the Platinum edition will be released.

[Nameless]

^Honestly it's been such a long wait I don't give a damn about the game anymore... I'm just disappointed with GT5P; initially I was wowed by the amazing visuals, but the experience is very shallow...

The only way I will consider GT5 or GT5P at this point would be if they include robust online play, weather (rain/cloudy), night / day / evening cycles & vehicle damage. It's time for PD to step up or I'm done with the franchise and I encourage others to take the same approach. The series will never evolve if we do not force the developers to change their priorities from only audio/video improvements. That's my 2 cents. :rant:

[GTAce]

Well then play something else, no one is hindering from doing this. lol

[Nameless]

^That's exactly what I'm doing... Merry Christmas. ;)

[VG Aficionado]

I'm also waiting for more features, as I'm no fan of pure driving simulation. I prefer playing other arcade racing games.

[Killing Moon]

^It's very simple man...
I want the visuals, physics & racing experience of GT with the standard features of other titles. Honestly if it was not for the visuals & realism of GT5P I would have not bothered playing the game, because it lacks most common features in other racing titles.

The only reason I started to rant was because the current internet statement sounds like a weak ass excuse to omit many standard online features...

*claps*
Bravo and A-fucking-men.
And now the tide turns.

[GTAce]

No it doesnt.

[Segitz]

I want Rallye back !!!

[Smokey]

No it doesnt.

yes it does

[GTAce]

Nope and i know tha you will buy GT5 too when its released. 8)

[VG Aficionado]

http://www.importtuner.com/features/impp_0811_gran_turismo_5/page1.html

As good as Prologue is, what can we expect in the full version of GT 5?
To be honest, I haven't given a lot of thought to GT 5, so I don't have an answer. And it's too early to talk about GT 5 because we still have updates coming out for Prologue.

Is there an ETA on GT 5?
It won't be this year and nothing's scheduled for next. It may be out in 2010, but like I said, we haven't really discussed it yet.Is this new? There are no dates in the interview.

[Smokey]

by 2010 there will nearly be a new ps system out..... what a joke really. and GTAce if it has closed rooms, headsets & damage i probably will

[VG Aficionado]

It's probably not very recent, as they discuss GTTV pricing and whatnot. Not that it makes me confident that it'll be out before 2010 anyway.

[zero 7]

all i want in GT5 p is some new tracks and a damage model the same 5 tracks are boring now

[Killing Moon]

http://www.importtuner.com/features/impp_0811_gran_turismo_5/page1.html

Is this new? There are no dates in the interview.

I believe this is from an older interview.

Still doesn't instill any confidence or insight on the game's features and completion though. But, it is what it is. *shrugs*