Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

[Cyrus]

Game of the show goes to Killzone, sorry :-p

I would've said that before they showed the GT5 trailer. :D

[curryking1]

What the crap.... GT5 is hawt!!

[acousticvan]

I think those shots are doctored because there are no jaggies at 1080p.

[SleazyBig slim]

I think those shots are doctored because there are no jaggies at 1080p.

Somebody has never played GTHD, it looks just as good.

[acousticvan]

Come on Sleazy, my ranking is like 90 something.

[hevymac]

Somebody has never played GTHD, it looks just as good.

No it doesn't mate:whip:

[Killing Moon]

Looks nice.

[Killing Moon]

And STILL no crash damage, predictably so.
Don't say I didn't tell you so. So sad in this day and age...

The continuous cop out claims that it's the fault of the OEM's not giving the okay for damage is complete bullshit. OEM's give the go-ahead for damaging their vehicles in film all the time. The exact same OEM's that are also allowing damage to their models in other games just as well.
KY needs to quit with this broken record, misleading garbage and just tell people the truth. He's more interested in making a pretty, static Pokemon w/ cars museum, and not a legitimate racing title in the least. The Gran Turismo being a real racing sim stopped a LONG time ago with pt.2 and has long since been blatantly stagnant.

For God's sake, there STILL isn't even a basic drag racing mode (how many years have fellow GT'ers asked for this F'ing feature already? Even on GTPlanet).
But whatever, KY (or should I say K-Y for how he keeps elegantly reaming everyone), it'll still be fun as a Time Attack game.


Seriously, this is F'ing pathetic, people. How can you even still defend this?

[Raijin]

Somebody has never played GTHD, it looks just as good.

Yes It does looks good (no, even it does look awesome) but no jaggies at 1080p? Heh...

[Segitz]

And STILL no crash damage, predictably so.
Don't say I didn't tell you so. So sad in this day and age...



Where do you know this from?

Because it wasn't show doesn't mean it won't come after all. As this game is likely to be released mid to end next year (a bit pessimistic here), the damage might not be done until now. And since prologue is coming soon, they surely wont include it in there yet.

[Kronz]

I can't wait for the demo... The game looks amazing. One of the best reasons to own a PlayStation 3, next to MGS4.

[Red_Eyes]

And STILL no crash damage, predictably so.
Don't say I didn't tell you so. So sad in this day and age...

The continuous cop out claims that it's the fault of the OEM's not giving the okay for damage is complete bullshit. OEM's give the go-ahead for damaging their vehicles in film all the time. The exact same OEM's that are also allowing damage to their models in other games just as well.
KY needs to quit with this broken record, misleading garbage and just tell people the truth. He's more interested in making a pretty, static Pokemon w/ cars museum, and not a legitimate racing title in the least. The Gran Turismo being a real racing sim stopped a LONG time ago with pt.2 and has long since been blatantly stagnant.

For God's sake, there STILL isn't even a basic drag racing mode (how many years have fellow GT'ers asked for this F'ing feature already? Even on GTPlanet).
But whatever, KY (or should I say K-Y for how he keeps elegantly reaming everyone), it'll still be fun as a Time Attack game.


Seriously, this is F'ing pathetic, people. How can you even still defend this?
Complaining about a game that is no where near finish yet and features that have not been finalized yet.

[McLaren]

GT5 will be awesome :D

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8417/gthdvsreallifejulysc9.jpg

[user friendly]

GT5 will be awesome :D

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8417/gthdvsreallifejulysc9.jpg



GT5 pwns Real Life, check out the jaggies in the 3rd comparison. (I do realize why there are jaggies)

[curryking1]

Uhhh.... photorealism... wow.... it's so.. so just... so close to just there.... that's photorealistic videogames.

[VG Aficionado]

OMG! Real life has more jaggies than PS3's graphics! :shocked:

[McLaren]

the real life pics were resized high res pictures

[user friendly]

I knows already.:moon:

[Siraris]

There's one thing, though. Many of the screens on Gamersyde look like crap. Sure the video looks fantastic, but that's also obviously pre-rendered as shown by the transition effects between scenes (up until the outdoor buildings shown). So which is representative of gameplay?

[GTAce]

Many of the screens on Gamersyde look like crap

:huh:

[hevymac]

There's one thing, though. Many of the screens on Gamersyde look like crap. Sure the video looks fantastic, but that's also obviously pre-rendered as shown by the transition effects between scenes (up until the outdoor buildings shown). So which is representative of gameplay?
Mr Siraris, you have my support. It will be very difficult to get a willing audience to these concepts..... In other words, I agree with you. I have tried in vain to get this concept across. The pictures of the cars selection menu (where the car is spinning) are of in-game resolution. The others are PR shots and are thus not representative of the final product.
Also Mr Raijin has eyes and a brain connected to it. Someone else who can see the difference between PR shots and in-game shots.

[evillion]

holy shiit! GT5 is the most realistic car game i've ever seen. i just hope they can add weather and damage effect in the final game. but for now, it's literally photorealistic.

[Segitz]

Man...

what the heck...

If you want to be picky, not one single trailer on ANY system is realtime, as it is encoded with a video codec etc.

A trailer is what it is, a trailer. Often made out of CG elements or (as I prefer it) out of ingame stuff. If this ingame stuff is from someone playing or from a replayer in this case is totally uninteresting. I mean, it STILL is from the game, that you will play in some months time. Often, companys like UBI trick people (like with the CoD2 or 3 dunno which one) thinking, there tv ads are ingame, but actually they are CG (a bit like the KZ2 E3 05 trailer, but as it wasnt a TV ad, I can live with it).

After having seen and played a more than half a year old version of GT HD Concept, I believe that these pictures and trailers infact ARE being rendered at 1080P@60 (maybe less) on a usual off the shelf (although most likely dev or debug version) PS3. Even GT3/4 had so unbelievably good graphics for a PS2 game, many would have thought it would be trickery, but it wasnt. PD has a reputation of making the best looking racer out there.

Judging from the shots above, I think, they all are in engine, in game (maybe replay or some debug stuff to move camera) and not offline rendered. If they were offline rendered, they could have made much nicer environments and lighting effects.

[BluBoi]

I was wondering do you have to pay for the prologue or is it given out for free like a demo?

I never played any of the PS2 prologues.

[GTAce]

I think we have to pay for it.
GT4 P was (over)priced by 40€.
But i would pay 70 for GT5 P. 8)

[yoshaw]

That AudiR8 is one of the most beautiful cars I've ever laid my eyes upon. Infact, n please pray, I'm planning to purchase it in the next 2-3 years. If I stick to my present job, chances of that happening are 80-90% secured :thumbl:

[GTAce]

WTF? Really?
Cool!
Okay the car is not my thing (im more a muscle car or supercar like a Pagani Zonda F fan) but i would find it cool for you! :thumbl:

[Fats]

Christ almighty. What an absolutely awesome comparison, seriously, that's obscene! Go Polyphony!

[Red_Eyes]

Awesome cars with awesome graphics. Now, all Polyphony need to add in is the awesome transformations just like in Transformers! LOL.

[GTAce]

Now, all Polyphony need to add in is the awesome transformations just like in Transformers! LOL.
Like here? *cough* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcEqerCrr3Y)

I just hope they add enginesounds like those in the video in the game. 8(

[yoshaw]

Like here? *cough* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcEqerCrr3Y)

:lol: WTF!! :laugh: Oh my ribs!!

I needed that bro. Thanks!

[Xer0]

Not gonna lie, watching that R8 running laps really made me giddy. Lets not even get started on the Ferrari F430

[PS3LikeNoOther]

This game made me think about PS4, and the first thing that came to mind was what the f**k will better than real life look like? I seriously can't even begin to ponder what GT will look like with 2GB of ram and 35 times more processing power and 35 time better GPU. I guess you would have like 50+ cars on screen, full world physics (including crash damage for the bashers,70 thousand fans each with their own AI eating, drinking, going to the bathroom, weather makes car run differant ( not just rain, snow, but the tempureture and humitity, and climate), and thats just a few of the things that would be possible.

[Fats]

Official GT5 website has went LIVE!

Link (http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/gt5p/screen/)

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07292/p09a.jpg

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/942/p10a.jpg

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/942/p17a.jpg

WOW!

[VG Aficionado]

15 cars on screen in that quality and at 1080p60?!?!?! :shocked:

Please add car damage sometime, Yamauchi :unsure:

[VG Aficionado]

E3 trailer (http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/data/movie/20070712_e3/gt_e3_2007.wmv)

Premiere trailer (http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/data/movie/20070717_ps_premiere/gt_ps_premiere_2007.wmv)

[Fats]

Well, I mean, he hasn't actually shown us Car damage so we shouldn't assume that there is none. Right? Optimistic, I know, but I have high hopes. Other than that 15 cars on screen @ 1080p60 is outrageous!

[TEEDA]

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/942/p05a.jpghttp://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/942/p06a.jpg

[Fats]

*awaits Killing Moon's opinion*

:)

[Raijin]

*awaits Killing Moon's opinion*

:)

HUh not really... :D

[tolkyn]

This game made me think about PS4, and the first thing that came to mind was what the f**k will better than real life look like? I seriously can't even begin to ponder what GT will look like with 2GB of ram and 35 times more processing power and 35 time better GPU. I guess you would have like 50+ cars on screen, full world physics (including crash damage for the bashers,70 thousand fans each with their own AI eating, drinking, going to the bathroom, weather makes car run differant ( not just rain, snow, but the tempureture and humitity, and climate), and thats just a few of the things that would be possible.

The PS4 will render each individual blade of grass + self shadowing grass + wind physics, everything else is already near perfection.

[TEEDA]

mhmm sorry I put the second pic badly , can't edit

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/942/p06a.jpg

[Fats]

http://www.phileweb.com/news/photo/200707/PS-GT-MYPAGE_big.jpg

[GTAce]

Album, Photomode in Prologue confirmed heh?

Ehm btw:
ZOMFG YEEEHAAAAAAAAAWWW

Damn the official site is down. ARGH!!11

EDIT: =-o at TEEDA's pic.

[Fats]

*high five!*

Good times ahead. :)

[VG Aficionado]

TV icon?!?! HOME icon?!?! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

[Fats]

When is GT5 Prologue supposed to be released btw?

[GTAce]

Uhm this thread should be deleted THATS PR0N!!!111

EDIT: It should come in november.

[GTAce]

Here you can get the trailer as an MP-4. (http://www.gamersyde.com/leech_4127_1_en.html)
The official site is SO down lol.
Downloading the video now.

[NeoPlayStation]

http://i9.tinypic.com/4t7hz78.gif

Look at the grass!

[Fats]

GT5 Prologue October release in Japan (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=79950)

[NeoPlayStation]

http://www.phileweb.com/news/photo/200707/PS-YAMAUCHI_big.jpg

Gameplay video soon!

What is the silver thing in the controller?

[Fats]

Oh no! Not the controller again! :)

[NeoPlayStation]

http://i7.tinypic.com/5ykeq11.gif
Look at the spoiler!

http://i7.tinypic.com/6g9jtk4.gif
better AI confirmed?

[Fats]

^Actually, in the trailer shown at E3, you can see two cars dueling it out at the back of the pack so I've came to the conclusion that the A.I has been significantly upgraded. :)

Christ, look at that spoiler! :)

[Passive]

um the 'silver' thing is probably just light reflecting off the controller

[masteratt]

lol what?

That's the most weirdest light reflection I saw in my life then.

It's probably something they developed in house.
Force feedback?

[NeoPlayStation]

Oh and 16 cars in a race was confirmed by Yamauchi according to the report by Phileweb. The game includes one super sports car exhibited at Tokyo Motor Show this year.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1035007&postcount=636

16 cars confirmed!

[VG Aficionado]

um the 'silver' thing is probably just light reflecting off the controllerEr... no. There's something on it.

It's probably something they developed in house.
Force feedback?Most likely.

[yoshaw]

Jesus, What the fcuk did I miss? OMG, that gif, where's the vid? where's the vid!!!!???

:drool:

nevermind: found the vid.

PS: Those new re-tractable spoilers are the new additions for the 2008 Audi TT and Audi R8. They can be put up by a push of a button on the real cars. Don't know about in-game GT how to do it. But I guess, there should be an option. In real-life they automatically come up after reaching a speed of 120km/hr

[NeoPlayStation]

Jesus, What the fcuk did I miss? OMG, that gif, where's the vid? where's the vid!!!!???

:drool:

HERE (http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/d944.html) :)

[NeoPlayStation]

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2007/07/17/103,1184675635,75348,0,0.html

Translation needed.

[wotter]

The second pic is real-time (1080p at 60fps), 16 cars on-screen and the new Lancer and GT-R will be there, wOOt. Looking great :o

[Killing Moon]

*awaits Killing Moon's opinion*

:)

Man, I gotta admit that it’s nice seeing that many cars on screen for a GT game. And how well that JGTC Z33 is rendered with the crew in the Race UI looks beautiful.

But I’m sorry, they have to do more than impress with graphics, man. I wanna see if they catch up to everything else going on. I swear that I still love the quality that Gran Turismo brings to the table. However, I refuse to settle on that notion alone and become complacent with their stagnation and F-ups just because they have a place close to my heart. Regardless of the half wit excuses, this IS supposed to be a racing sim and the best sim on the market. So if you ask me, they NEED to clean up their act and get the basic features correct, while improving on the things beyond what the competition brings to the table.

THAT is what will bring Gran Turismo back into the forefront of the king of sims and beyond the static boredom that they’re stuck in at this time.

So again, we’ll see.
Screenies look nice though.

[TEEDA]

http://i7.tinypic.com/4teyl2s.gif
http://i16.tinypic.com/4v2vt4k.gif

[GTAce]

Here you can get the trailer as an MP-4. (http://www.gamersyde.com/leech_4127_1_en.html)
The official site is SO down lol.
Downloading the video now.

I hate to quote myself, but before some one misses it.^^

Btw. those GIF's... ohh my god... OHHH MYY GOOODNESS!!111

[Leedogg]

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

*goes to PS3 and downloads video*

[Old_Timer!]

GT5 prologue looks good so far, I was driving my Sc300 to work last week and I pulled up beside an Audi R8. I was like what the hell is this for real? I didn't even know this car was in production LoL, it looks so tiny but so fast!!!

[Epix]

Beautiful Screen Caps! I count up to 16 cars.

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[Nameless]

The new video is incredible, because it looks like car detail will remain even with 16 cars on the track! :shocked:

I remember the haters saying the demo cars models would never be so detailed in the final game with 16 cars on the track. The interior view is great and will be my viewpoint of choice...

Since online support has been confirmed the only additional features required is weather conditions & car damage. If GT5 includes online, weather changes & damage it's game over for all other racers and the haters will be completely muted. I do agree with Killing Moon that it's not acceptable for GT5 to exclude any of the big three features for a "next-gen" title IMO.

[yoshaw]

Finished watching the trailer. OMG, that Audi R8 gave me multiple 'gasms.

Ladies n Gentlemen. Meet the soon to be 'owned by yoshaw' car!!!

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07292/snapshot20070717100214.jpg

[VG Aficionado]

:drool:

I remember the haters saying the demo cars models would never be so detailed in the final game with 16 cars on the track. The interior view is great and will be my viewpoint of choice... I always guessed that Polyphony had done their homework and many tests to see how many cars they could display at once, and they sure did :cloud9:

[Nameless]

^^ The estimated cost of the car is 100,000 to 130,000 USD...
I'm curious if the GTR will be more than 70K, because I'm seriously considering the new M3 or the GTR since they should fall in the 60K to 70K range... The R8 is way out of my range; if I start considering 6 figures for cars I would go with a Modena...

PS: I may have misunderstood your statement; were you saying in real life or the game?

[yoshaw]

I hear ya loud n clear, Nameless.

For that I have the perfect solution. Visit the following website and you'll understand where I got the funds from. Please feel free to bid.

www.ebaay.com/yoshaw's-arms-legs-kidneys-eyes-for-sale.html

PS: I may have misunderstood your statement; were you saying in real life or the game?

I meant real life. Lots of peers in my job own ferrari's but they have years lined up till they got those. Property consultancy can be a real eye opener, trust me ^_^ Am plannin to match my peers one day. I'm a rookie atm.

[BluBoi]

Epix all of your pics appear as red 'x's.

[Nameless]

^^LMAO!
It looks like Ebay removed your auction... :doh:

BTW you need your eyes to drive...

[Epix]

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[yoshaw]

^^LMAO!
It looks like Ebay removed your auction... :doh:

BTW you need your eyes to drive...

Them mofo's also banned my IP for life!! And no worries about eyes, I am interested in the ride alone, so my gf could drive the car while me on the passenger seat, for all I care. aaaaaaah Audi R8 I'm so in lubbb wijuuuu *dies with excitement*

[Epix]

78307831783278337834

[Nameless]

^^ You got banned for life from Ebay!!! LMAO :lol:

[Epix]

Epix all of your pics appear as red 'x's.
fixed :thumbl:

[Killing Moon]

These pics really do look beautiful, man.
I hope to God that they allow VISIBLE aero kits, canards/front spoilers this time around. *crosses fingers….again*

Dammit, Yamauchi and his bulls**t. He still shows off the F’ing R33 and the new GT-R. Where’s my F’ing ’07 Supra, huh?

[Nameless]

I hope they release a 1080P version of the trailer on the PSN later this week.

[Rockmond]

Oh wow...

[BluBoi]

fixed :thumbl:

Thanks, lookin' good! =-o

Edit: For Killing Moon

IGN: What kind of customization will we be able to see in Gran Turismo HD? Will we be able to see a deeper level of customization than what has been seen in previous GT games? Like, will we be able to tune the aero parts of the car and add vinyls? Or will this newest GT continue to focus mainly on engine and suspension tuning?

Kazunori: (Brings up GT HD's car-select screen and selects a Skyline - which just so happens to fill up the entire screen.) We may not be able to provide this immediately off the bat when we launch, but the cars we are designing/modeling for PS3... you see that line separating the bumper from the body? That (bumper) comes off. Again, previously a car model in GT 4, it was one skin. Now you can take parts off, because the cars are made up of components. So for this Skyline, for instance, you can take off the front bumper and replace it with something else.

IGN: Is the plan to get licensed aero kits like C-West and Mugen? Or will all the aero kits be GT-original designs?

Kazunori: It would be a combination of both, actually.

From IGN (http://cars.ign.com/articles/744/744294p2.html) late last year! I think that was when they were still planning selling GTHD with all of the downloadable upgrades.

Also this is good news for people who want damage because they modeled the cars in individual parts like Yamauchi said they would need to. It seems that the basic structure is in place for damage, it's just a matter of when they will take the time to do it.

[Nameless]

^ The first news I heard regarding GT5 cars being made of components so you have the potential for damage modeling and after market kits... This is great news and at least leaves hope for car damage. (+rep)

[Epix]

Heat Wave.......

http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/5895/1316_0002.jpg

[Rockmond]

Heat Wave.......

http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/5895/1316_0002.jpg

:shocked:

[Fazares]

haha....

[GTAce]

Why "haha...."? :huh:

If you mean that pic doesnt look so because of heat waves, i would take another look at the trailer.
You can clearly see the heat waves.^^

[Killing Moon]

Thanks, lookin' good! =-o

Edit: For Killing Moon



From IGN (http://cars.ign.com/articles/744/744294p2.html) late last year! I think that was when they were still planning selling GTHD with all of the downloadable upgrades.

Also this is good news for people who want damage because they modeled the cars in individual parts like Yamauchi said they would need to. It seems that the basic structure is in place for damage, it's just a matter of when they will take the time to do it.

If this actually pans out in the end product, then thank you Lord Jeezaws!
But I'll still take a wait and see approach. He made very similar promises for GT4 the last time also and they never came into fruition.

So...we'll see. *fingers crossed...again*

[Nameless]

^ My feelings exactly...
Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me...

[GTAce]

I have a feeling that the video was from the online mode.
Because the drivers have different helmets and i could imagine that you can choose a helmet in your online profile or maybe even offline.
Would be a nice little feature imo.

[Epix]

Grass moving :thumbl:

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?ee7accdcb2.gif

[PS3LikeNoOther]

I think this GT will be the best selling GT of all time. With the Home element and all the community car enthusiasts will go crazy for it. I don't doubt this game will find the cover of Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Hot Rod magizine as at least a seconday item. If the TV deal is done right I think that GT could be come the first really popular sports game, like people may actually watch this stuff. Just imagine you all know their are guys that play GT that would take it seriously enoughf not to dick around during the races, so we could see sponsered races with people getting payed to race. With the PSEye you could have interveiws with the drivers and everything. I know this sounds crazy, and even I know it , but I think it is only a matter of time before this happens and GT is the closest franchise to being popular enoghf to pull it off.

[Z]

okay, this is scary!:

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07292/p05a.jpg

and this is just too hot not to share:
http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07292/p09a.jpg

this is the official Prologue website called GT5P:
http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/gt5p/

[GTShotoKen]

There's a new vid on the website too.

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/d944.html

Edit: Thanks for the link Z. :)

[GTAce]

Thats just THE video we all talk about today LOL.

[GTShotoKen]

Thats just THE video we all talk about today LOL.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/frozen2.gif

It's not my fault I don't read.......................wait. http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/speechless.gif

[yoshaw]

Where you guys been?? Smell the coffee people, those have been shared in the previous pages. lmao! ;)

[Z]

with such awesomeness, pics have the rigth to be posted 2 times in three pages. these are universal awesomeness rules that everyone knows.

now, back to the main Q&A from this session:

Q. How awesome is this game?
A. So Awesome!

[cliffbo]

footage of GT5

http://www.gametab.com/news/974552/

[GTAce]

LOL and another one. :lol:

Btw. you can get it in HD from the GT site AND i postet a link to an MP-4 HD in this thread.^^

[yoshaw]

Q. How awesome is this game?
A. So Awesome!

Amen!

:lol:

[curryking1]

Uhhh what the eff.......... OMG the VIPER GTS!!!!!!!! WUUUTTTTT!!!! This game is so freaking sexy!!!!

[Z]

I call Mr.Been's car!

[Segitz]

The "automatic wing" on the Audi is essentially what many Porsches have since the 911 (~end 70s). I find it pretty cool, that they added that detail though.


I just hope, the choice in cars gets a bit more world centric than japan centric (100s of Skylines just don't float my boat). There are many more European car companys than there are in GT1-4 (Porsche and Ferrari for example, as well as Lamborghini and Isdera (which were based in Warmbronn - Leonberg, near my hometown)).

A custumization option would be cool too (but not "Need for Speed" cool... real sports driving doesnt do that crap). I am still hoping for damage! PLEASE PD, dont let me down (at least with GT5, Prologue doesnt have to have it^^)

[GTAce]

The "automatic wing" on the Audi is essentially what many Porsches have since the 911 (~end 70s). I find it pretty cool, that they added that detail though.

That was in GT4 on a couple of cars too. 8)

[VideoGame mania]

This game set the bar at my level of satisfaction or should I say what I've always wanted in terms of graphics. i don't like racing games but I'm sure as heck buying this game just let it have custom soundtrack.
http://www.ikaz.net/gtp9.jpg

[curryking1]

http://i9.tinypic.com/4t7hz78.gif

Just wondering, in this pic I believe the clumps of grass are moving as the car passes them, which would be described as the air moving out away from the car and hitting the grass, which is a nice touch. Although the clumps of the grass, in my opinion, aren't that great, it's a cool little feature I guess.

That is one sexy ass Audi pic btw XD

P.S. As Nameless previously said....

This is dedicated to all the doubters of Polyphony of course. I remember so many people on other forums saying 'Oh it's only one car on a track that's why it can look that good.'

But hey guess what!? Now it's 16 cars of equivalent detail. What can be said about that?

All I can see is what they thought was the maximum detail a next gen system can do, one GT5 car on a track, is now 16 times that amount of detail on one track. There's nothing else to say really is there, except never doubt Polyphony. Especially not their graphics, actually definitely not their graphics.

[GTAce]

Yeah its the wind from the cars.
The grass looks good for a racing game.
Just take a screenshot with a HD res with this scene and you will say the same. ;)

[curryking1]

Yes, it looks fine for GT, I wasn't expecting more lol, I hope I'm not giving that impression, just commenting on it is all :)

I really like the thickness of the smoke effects btw. The effect seems just like from GT3 or 4, just much more full because of the obvious reason, it looks very nice.

[GTAce]

No no i know what you mean just want to say it looks good for a racing game.^^

And btw. something like this stuff with the wind is exactly one of those little things that i always wanted in games. I love Polyphony!

[Z]

oh, come on, you need to post the such a clip and not just link to it. it is too good to link! lol. here:

http://i9.tinypic.com/4t7hz78.gif


and how gorgeous is this?:
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070717/ppf51.jpg

look at the freakin' detail!:

http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/GranTurismo/GT-E3-8.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/5898/1316_0010.jpg

mod edit: h-scroll man. come on.

I am so http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/inlove.gif with this game I want to http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/grin.gif.

[GTAce]

Z you made me do naughty things. Oo And i hate Ferrari normally. oO

[yoshaw]

That black Ferrari gave me the Jitters, I swear. So un-freaking-real, it's not funny anymore. This is PS4 stuff people. I bet Ya'll feelin lucky to be alive.

I know I am! God bless Polyphony. Now I can own these exotic cars for 660 bucks, yea ;)

Z, that better be your gfriend pumpin in them emoticons. Dude, them r sooo not a man thing. Stay away!!! Older korean ones were better. Stick with em.

[Z]

that sweet Ferrari one is my wallpaper. what the heck do you call that color anyway other than 'So Awesome'? lol
Z, that better be your gfriend pumpin in them emoticons. Dude, them r sooo not a man thing. Stay away!!! Older korean ones were better. Stick with em.
er..yes.. of course they are. my girlfriend posts those. you know, that girlfriend I have that has a name? O_o'
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/clueless.gif http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/confused.gif



*goes to search in more masculine Korean forums for tougher emos*

[Old_Timer!]

A little more info:
source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175268.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;1
For the first time in Japan, Polyphony Digital showed off Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Studio head Kazunori Yamauchi played a demo of the game, showing how its menu options have been seamlessly integrated with online features, such as a profile editor and an online event calendar. Going on a race, Yamauchi showed how Gran Turismo 5 can run with up to 16 cars on the track, and with more sophisticated artificial intelligence than in previous series installments.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is scheduled to come out in Japan in October to coincide with the Tokyo Motor Show, where a number of new Japanese sports cars that are included in the game will make their debut. For those fluent in Japanese, the game's official Web site has more details.
I love the new interface, it just screams Sony.......

[GTAce]

:thumbl:
Cant wait, just cant freakin wait ARGH!!!

Damn Polyphony just give me ONE car and ONE track (except Eiger cant see it anymore LOL) and maybe a cockpit view till the release of Prologue. 8(

[OmniCloud]

Just give us damage in racing cars and I'll be happy....

Honestly though, the last trailer was so amazing--u have to wonder just how much MORE amazing it would be if the car got smashed to bits--GT style=-o

[makeitlookreal]

I also want damage in all racing games. Without damage something is lost.

[GD|eNSo]

I have a question. I havn't used the force feedback wheel before, so I was wondering if the force feedback also applies to the pedals as well? Can you fight with the break? or feel the clutch? Does it go into that much detail? Also can you stall the cars, in MT mode?

[Old_Timer!]

From what I remember there is no clutch, It's more like driving an automatic drive car. You just push up or down to change gears and padel shift is available as well. Cars don't stall in GT, at least not yet.
I don't remember if the force feedback applies to the brakes as well, I only used it once when some of my friends came by with the Wheel. It's more for the ultra hardcore I guess.

[TEEDA]

I wonder where are the bikes. I think they had announced bikes in the conference last year or at the tgs last year I don't remember, Bikes from tourist trophy.

[Old_Timer!]

Yes Bikes were announced at TGS, most likely the bikes will debut in the true GT5 not prologue but since we're just guessing we'll never know until Fall. It would be nice to get a taste of the superbikes.

[karibu]

Just give us damage in racing cars and I'll be happy....

Honestly though, the last trailer was so amazing--u have to wonder just how much MORE amazing it would be if the car got smashed to bits--GT style=-o

If you know how to drive, you don't need damage.

[GD|eNSo]

From what I remember there is no clutch, It's more like driving an automatic drive car. You just push up or down to change gears and padel shift is available as well. Cars don't stall in GT, at least not yet.
I don't remember if the force feedback applies to the brakes as well, I only used it once when some of my friends came by with the Wheel. It's more for the ultra hardcore I guess.

Thanks for the response. From searching around, I can say that this feature is not implemented, and if it is to be, the wheel will probably cost a pretty-pretty penny.

But honestly, to get the feel of a clutch on all those different cars, and the strain of the breaks as you're coming speeding down, racing and then braking into a hairpin ... that would be something.

I think, it's just asking for too much though.

If you know how to drive, you don't need damage.

Now true. I can assure you that damage means a great deal in a race. You are not a "great" driver until you respect the possibility of damage.

Damage is necessary for a sim. If you try to be too defensive of a driver and get knocked on from behind, damaging say your wing, right there is a huge dis-advantage to you.

Driving without damage is child's play, as you can risk your car as much as you like with the worst possible penalty being spun-out.

To know how to drive is to drive, and succeed with all on the line.

[julps31]

The detail in the Ferrari model is insane..well all the cars really. But the rear engine detail just shows you the attention to detail in this game. Man I can't wait to see what the night courses look like.

[Z]

and an online event calendar
very cool feature. this will come in handy. :)

[Smokey]

If GT5 includes online, weather changes & damage it's game over for all other racers and the haters will be completely muted.
i dont want to be muted it HAS to have online chat (with BTHS while youre racing) or im gonna cry

[NeoPlayStation]

http://m1.freeshare.us/159fs926140.jpg

Bikes in GTHD?

[GTAce]

Yeah this is the E3 06 version of GTHD.

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah, that's an old pic. I'd like to see bikes though, it would be a GT/TT hybrid.

[Killing Moon]

Yes, it looks fine for GT, I wasn't expecting more lol, I hope I'm not giving that impression, just commenting on it is all :)

I really like the thickness of the smoke effects btw. The effect seems just like from GT3 or 4, just much more full because of the obvious reason, it looks very nice.

This is something that I wanted to see evolve for this generation as well. The last game that I remember having actual volumetric smoke effects was WRC 1 on PS2. Ever since then, every game has used 2D textures to render their smoke effects, including GT5 so far. I wish they’d upgrade this, along w/ actual F’ing tread marks on the terrain/roads.

I have to give this to NFS: Pro Street. They have smoke effects nailed, hands down.

[GTAce]

I have to give this to NFS: Pro Street. They have smoke effects nailed, hands down.

I have to agree.
The smoke in NfS: PS looks unbelievable!

[Killing Moon]

If you know how to drive, you don't need damage.
Yes. You. Do.

Providing exterior damage and performance damage is just as much of a factor in racing as the actual tire wear, my friend. People need to stop running to this excuse in order to defend one of Gran Turismo’s most fatal flaws. Really, it’s very juvenile and just a bit fanboyish at that. Without damage, it completely takes away from the immersion factor of the game and becomes more and more “fake” in what it’s supposed to be expressing. Especially as a so called “sim” of any sort. No damage equals no risk involved with the speed and false skills. The game regulates itself simply as bumper cars with nice graphics, as it’s been for way too long now.

The excuses are over at this point.

If this GT doesn’t have damage modeling COMPLETELY throughout the entire roster of vehicles by now, then it’s over for them. While it sounds like a small factor, it’s actually a very serious one. It is completely pointless to have the “best” physics for the genre, yet you don’t even provide one of the most crucial elements that goes hand in hand with both the physics of the vehicles as well as the primary practice of racing.

Gran Turismo is at a serious risk of becoming very much like that gorgeous blonde chick that you love to see everyday. From head to toe she seems like everything that you want, but unfortunately she’s about as dumb as a rock when you actually try to talk to her.

Personally, I’d hate to see it go that route in the end.

This has dick to do with whether you can drive well or not.
Model and performance damage are integral parts of racing/driving period.
Gran Turismo is WAY overdue for this feature now.

[Leedogg]

i dont want to be muted it HAS to have online chat (with BTHS while youre racing) or im gonna cry

headsets (in race) could be a bad thing for GT5 distraction wise. Especially when I'm trying to hit my marks on the track. I don't need little billy's help.


If you know what I mean.

[GTAce]

Yeah but then you can turn the sound off.
The possibillity to chat would be cool, you dont have to use it.^^

[NickSCFC]

Cardboard trees FTL :(

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb//images/mb//GamesRadar/gb/Games/G/Gran%20Turismo%205%20Prologue/Everything%20else/LowPolyGT5--screenshot_large.jpg

Someone at Polyphony needs a trip over to Crytek studios methinks :(

[Nameless]

^ Come on man it's a work in progress...
If you want to see perfection just wait for the final build. :duh:

[NickSCFC]

If those trees weren't in the final game they wouldn't be showing promotional pics of them.

If Crysis can handle 100s of detailed trees on the screen at once, I think Polyphony can, it's just lazyness.

[Nameless]

^ WTF are you talking about...
Every game shown during development is a "work in progress".
How can you show a final build of a game in promotional pics if the game is still being developed? :doh:

Also, the pic you are looking at is from a trailer and I'm sure PD did not expect people to make screen shots of every frame and then say the title is crap, because they cheated on a few trees to release an E3 trailer. I still wonder why developers even bother releasing footage until the game is complete to avoid this stupid shit.

[NickSCFC]

Sigh, every game that comes out never looks better than when it was first shown!

[yoshaw]

Sigh, every game that comes out never looks better than when it was first shown!

Lalilu's been tellin u lately. But here it is again. You just tap it a lil bit and the sand should come off.

[BluBoi]

Sigh, every game that comes out never looks better than when it was first shown!

Yea, Motorstorm looks way worse than it did at E3 06...oh wait.

[Nameless]

^^^ Typically what is shown is not actual gameplay...
In the past most footage for pre-released games were taken from CG on ingame cinemas to show the game in it's "best state"... Also, some games were advertised with render target footage to increase excitement or create media buzz. Personally I don't care for either approach, because it can create false expectations. It seems like the industry may be catching on, because this year's E3 primarily displayed ingame footage of all titles even if the footage was "Pre Alpha", because at least the footage set's proper expectations.

I agree with your statement, but I think things are getting better.
Also, some developers like Kojima productions and PD typically only show footage of actual gameplay from day one even if the footage is early and will look better upon release.

[VG Aficionado]

OMG, it's going to suck to play GT5 with the top down view :duh:

Nick's complaining about something. What's new?

[masteratt]

...it's just lazyness.

Sorry what was it?
Two months modelling one car?

You are starting to spew bullshit mate.

[VG Aficionado]

Sorry what was it?
Two months modelling one car?6 months. Not that they're working all the time, they spend all day eating snacks and watching pr0n.

[Smokey]

headsets (in race) could be a bad thing for GT5 distraction wise. Especially when I'm trying to hit my marks on the track. I don't need little billy's help.


If you know what I mean.

theyre a must if youre doin say a 80 lap race with 8-16 in a room. helps alot with overtaking & being overtook its a MUST for online!!

[VG Aficionado]

theyre a must if youre doin say a 80 lap race with 8-16 in a room. helps alot with overtaking & being overtook its a MUST for online!!I'd say that whoever wants to use headsets will be able to do so, and the ones who don't should be able to mute the others.

[Smokey]

I'd say that whoever wants to use headsets will be able to do so, and the ones who don't should be able to mute the others.

yeah naturally you can mute people, some people can be real annoying, im mean shit you can do it in Toca/V8s no worries.

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah, it's terrible when you play against kids who can't even finish a single lap and keep on insulting you meanwhile. The ability to mute others is a must.

[Z]

6 months. Not that they're working all the time, they spend all day eating snacks and watching pr0n.
yeah, it is so obvious that they are lazy that all the competition on all platforms look like shit next to them.


in fact, they are so lazy that the only comparison that could be made is with real life- and that is confusing as it is.

OMG, it's going to suck to play GT5 with the top down view
of course, that is how the real driving simulation should be played. it is a direct competition to this:
http://www.gamasutra.com/e32007/pixeljunkracers.jpg

on another note; it would be very cool if they make the in game calender interactive with others in your clan or friends list. imagine setting a date for an event or play session in it and it'll appear in all of your friends calenders as well. nice.

[Fazares]

Cardboard trees FTL :(

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb//images/mb//GamesRadar/gb/Games/G/Gran%20Turismo%205%20Prologue/Everything%20else/LowPolyGT5--screenshot_large.jpg

Someone at Polyphony needs a trip over to Crytek studios methinks :(
u ruined the magic..:-/

[Z]

another pic to get the magic back:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/805/805900/gran-turismo-5-prologue-20070717071544298.jpg

see those trees in the far distance? they look pretty good to me when I'm playing this baby. plus, if you want to see how good Prologue is - not even GT5- try to compare it to the latest Forza, PGR, Colin McRae or any other racer out there that isn't made by Sony. ;)

[Leedogg]

Cardboard trees FTL :(

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb//images/mb//GamesRadar/gb/Games/G/Gran%20Turismo%205%20Prologue/Everything%20else/LowPolyGT5--screenshot_large.jpg

Someone at Polyphony needs a trip over to Crytek studios methinks :(

What you talking about can't you see those trees are sick!!!!! I gurantee they will be better looking the next time you see them!

Come on Nick, you can't tell me you never seen a sick tree before.

[Segitz]

The interesting thing about Crysis is...

They use SpeedTree RT (iirc) for it... They don't model the trees on their own. (not that there's anything wrong with it, but just to let you know)

And if only the replay scenes show me such trees, I can live with it. The rest looks absolutely mindblowingly GOOD (MUCH better and more realistic than Crysis!). I really really hope they include damage though, although I could live without it.


A realtime racing league would ROCK! Then we get our very own psinext league!!

[Fazares]

someone tell polyphony to use speedtree...now...

[julps31]

I really don't think rendering a tree a mile (exageration but you get the point) off course that you'll probably only notice in screens is that important lol. I've seen a handfull of gameplay movies and never noticed the trees. I really doubt you'll notice them in gameplay either.

[VG Aficionado]

Someone tell Polyphony to keep focusing on the cars rather than on the trees. You don't play a tree in GT games. As a matter of fact, you don't even notice they're there.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

that picture does make me lol.
Maybe they'll make it better, but I don't really give a crap.

[curryking1]

I actually noticed that a few days ago. Happens at 1:25 to 1:26 in the video lol. I watched the video like 20 times and only then I finally noticed that.

And to be honest, in my opinion that is a really lame criticism for the game. Really lame.

Maybe it has a 2D cardboard cutouts for a lot of background trees, but...

It's really no contest. GT Prologue rocks the crap out of everything. I'm not trying to harp, but honestly, I don't give a crap too much either about that bunch of trees like Lolli. I'll probably just have fun laughing at it every time I see it and then continue playing my lovely Prologue in the future :)

It's like Rico's face in KZ. It's pretty god damn horrible looking and ugly relatively, but the whole package and everything else still rocks hard lol.

[FantasyGhost]

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TV and HOME
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[LaLiLuLeLo]

OH! It hurts!
So pretty. I don't want to see these cars damaged.

[FantasyGhost]

Up to 16 cars in one shot.

[Fazares]

i just cant believe we are still seeing cardboard trees in the next gen....i m glad that everybody golf 5 at least....

[Z]

the trees look great from where they are viewed in the game. you want to go behind the scenes and look at ugliness well, you'll find'em.

in Everybodys Golf, you freakin' WALK between the trees. you don't drive past them in a race while them being way off behind the limits of your course. sheesh...

[yoshaw]

OMG, if Polyphony don't fix the trees, innocent kittens will die and I won't be able to forgive myself. Please someone, Kazanouri-san. Think of the kittens. Fix the trees.

Pathetic, seriously! Who gives a rats ass about trees in a racing game? Oh yea, i'm sure if your profession is gardening, hell yea I'd understand. But how does a 2D tree from a top down view hurt so much as to tarnish anything on this game. Freakin nowadays resort to any excuse is what makes ppl high, yea. Fcukt up shit.

[Fazares]

haha...they look like cardboard...no matter where ur looking at...the cars looks good...but they have still to pass everething into next gen...maybe gt5...?

[section]

^^Man,Yosh, you made me laugh so loud my cheeks hurt. will have to spread a bit.

[Fazares]

apologize to the above poster...i m sorry....

[Z]

http://www.n4g.com/News-53635.aspx
that is a video of GT5P, Forza 2 and PGR4 running one after the other. try not to laugh at the others.

[Fazares]

http://www.n4g.com/News-53635.aspx
that is a video of GT5P, Forza 2 and PGR4 running one after the other. try not to laugh at the others.
btw....i didnt say gt5p looks bad....i understand its just going to be about the same as gthd...aka...fantastic lookin cars+ps2-esque environments...after all its just an apetizer...a free one....i think....gt5 will be the game....

[Passive]

wtf? lol stop birching about something you wont even bother loking at when you are focused on driving a car.

http://x016.uploaderx.net/x/1184681383.jpg

do the trees look bad there? no. they really dont. anyone who whines about things like bad trees really have no idea what a driving game is about, when you're speeding down a strip at 100mph and trying to stay on the road,in front and also concentrating on the other cars, turns, gears, racing line. i really doubt you'll be going "man the tress look shit"

[Fats]

Oh, we're still going on about the trees. Seriously?

:duh:

[Passive]

its pathetic isnt it fats?

imo i could care less about things like that when cars looks that good :drool:

[Z]

oh, I don't care about the tree talk since it is silly even in MILR terms. I am just appreciating vehicle pornography in its excellence.

[VG Aficionado]

I so wanted to play a tree in GT5 :cry2:

[Passive]

:lol:

[yoshaw]

Oh, we're still going on about the trees. Seriously?

:duh:

Well, we can't blame them, can we? This is the only straw they can hold onto against GT5. What else can they I mean? GT5 pounces competition so bad that resorting to trees is the way to go. Oh, not to forget, poor kittens that are gonna die if polyphony aren't quick about fixing them damn trees. We have gardeners in here who've held these kittens hostage n if they dun get 3D trees by the time GT5 prologue ships....

[Z]

you know, I find it funny that GT5P is so far ahead that nobody is doing any comparison pics to show off the competition. I mean, I expected them to use grainy scans, odd angles or something to make the others look better or even as good as GT5P, but alas, it isn't even fair. lol

this also reminds me why I can't find Killzone 2 vs Halo 3 comparison pics as well. though that is funnier since that is exactly what they used in the past. lol. how times change.

other mentions; DoA vs any serious fighter.

[Passive]

a 56k warning on this one folks :P

i felt like doing it, and it proves that GT5 isnt even challenged.

here u go (http://x018.uploaderx.net/x/032_Untitled-1.jpg)

[Fats]

^Lmao.

That's obscene. I mean, I always thought Forza 2 was decent looking until I seen that. :)

[VG Aficionado]

GT5's car models are the best ones ever, no doubt about it.

[Segitz]

GT5's car models are the best ones ever, no doubt about it.

It's not the models at all...

I dont even think the models from Forza differ much from the ones in GT5P.

It is the lighting and shading that makes all the difference. Switch of both games lighting and the models will look nearly the same (I cant tell exactly since I never really watched much FM2 footage).

I would even go so far and say, the overall models of GT4 can compare to these. Though some stuff in those models looks worse (interior stuff, textures etc...), but the mesh itself won't differ too much after all. You only need so many vertices to model it perfectly.

I did some modelling and engineering on rims for my car (to be done in CAD, got scrapped after I crashed my car). Without lighting, they looked VERY bad, but with material shaders (to get the aluminum looks etc.) and refraction it looked really real :D


In my opinion, FM2 looks pretty good, but somehow cartoony and cgi like. The artstyle is not "realistic" like in GT. The environments all look like taken out of an anime (when blurred et al). I dont know how to say it :D, but they just look "mediocre" to me.

[GTAce]

Nope, the car models in FM2 doesnt have nearly the polycount as the cars in GT5P.
Look at the wheelhouses or at the hoods for example plus the way more realistic style in GT.^^

[masteratt]

Forza2 also has lots of jaggies.

But that game admittedly has mroe going on under the hood and 60FPS on a 360 was a first.

[OmniCloud]

meh...I still wanna see some damage from GT5--though I'll probably get it anyway just to collect all the cars and save my best replays...

Hopefully Sony puts up a Singstar and GT section on PSN so users can easily upload there content for EVERYONE to see...

that'll be pretty cool to not have a copy of the game but to check it out from PSN youtube style...

I think Sony's mentioned it with Singstar, but I dunno how extensive it is and if you have to have a copy of the game to see other's people videos/pictures etc...

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah, I also think that the cars are comprised of more polygons than the cars in other games, but I'll agree that the shaders and lighting are what make them look that good as well.

[BruceWayneIII]

http://www.n4g.com/News-53635.aspx
that is a video of GT5P, Forza 2 and PGR4 running one after the other. try not to laugh at the others.

The only reason why some on N4G favours PGR4 is mainly due to the bike and how the trailer was cut. It is trying to give us a sense of speed and action, and that works fine. The end result is - unfortunately - that we don't get to see the cars in PGR4.

Anyway, GT5:P just looks stunning!

[GTAce]

PGR4 looks good too but it isnt a fair comparison because of the weather effects. We havent seen the rain in GT5 and the lightning that comes with it!

[Fazares]

ahaha...2d trees could be one of the leftovers of the ps2esque environments that were present in gthd as well....they could be replaced in gt5...who knows?...its just a flaw that has to be pointed as long as we point at the rest looking over the top....this isnt a fanboys forum after all....a la teamxbox......?

[VG Aficionado]

I don't think that's a flaw at all. You wouldn't have noticed those trees if you were playing, and I'd rather have Polyphony dedicating hardware resources to the cars than to something most people won't notice.

[Fazares]

I don't think that's a flaw at all. You wouldn't have noticed those trees if you were playing, and I'd rather have Polyphony dedicating hardware resources to the cars than to something most people won't notice.

i just said they have to be some leftovers of the gt4 engine.....the final game could use totally new assets for the environments without downgrading the cars.....thats it..

[VG Aficionado]

That's a development decision. If they prefer to dedicate more resources to the cars or whatever else than to the trees, they'll do what they're doing now. The resources are not unlimited and they have to take decisions. So far, it seems they prefer doing that than making more detailed trees. I doubt that's like that just because GT4 rendered trees that way as well.

[Fazares]

That's a development decision. If they prefer to dedicate more resources to the cars or whatever else than to the trees, they'll do what they're doing now. The resources are not unlimited and they have to take decisions. So far, it seems they prefer doing that than making more detailed trees. I doubt that's like that just because GT4 rendered trees that way as well.
well...we ll see...i m quite sure the enviroment will get a lifting....

[yoshaw]

Ah, so annoying....

[Fazares]

Ah, so annoying....
u can play online chess if ur annoyed

[GTShotoKen]

Screw the trees!!! Did anyone look at that aweful skybox?!!!http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/punch.gif

I at least expect to see procedural volumetric cloud cover with full ray-traced global illumination going on!!!!http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/63d4808b.gif

[Fazares]

Screw the trees!!! Did anyone look at that aweful skybox?!!!http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/punch.gif

I at least expect to see procedural volumetric cloud cover with full ray-traced global illumination going on!!!!http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/63d4808b.gif
this is a bit more demanding than 3d trees...sorry:-/

[GTShotoKen]

this is a bit more demanding than 3d trees...sorry:-/

I know, it was a joke. ;)

[Fazares]

I know, it was a joke. ;)
mine too....

[GTShotoKen]

:lol:

[Segitz]

I'd still go so far and say, the polycount of FM, GT and PGR are within a ballpark +-10%

The main difference that caught my eye were the rims in FM. Those were done the same way as in GT4 afaik (animated textures etc.), which looks horrible nowadays.

And I just watched the PGR trailer... Looks nice, but the cars again have a very "floaty" look to it. There's no tyre smoke at all (look at the donut of the motorcycle) and the shadows look bad imho.

The rest however looks good.


What I don't like about the US centric racers is the choice in cars. The "super cars" are VERY boring imho. This is what I REALLY love about GT. I have a choice in what race I want to drive in which car. I mean, I loved my Corsa in GT2 as well as my freaking old Audi Quattro in GT4. The super cars are well and nice and all, but I really prefer the usual sports cars (like Porsche).

(And Kudos, I nearly bought an old RX-7 Turbo some years ago, the red car in the FM2 trailer^^)

[Cless]

Has it been confirmed that PD is working on improving the car physic's of Gran Turismo? You know, whenever I go watching a clip of GT there are always comments of Xbox fans saying, it doesn't matter if the graphics look better when the gameplay sucks in comparison with Forza 2 etc.

Someone got confirmation of Kazunori Yamauchi himself saying car physic's will be improved in GT5?

[GTAce]

Yeah in the last interview he said they improved the stuff with weight etc. when you brake or drive in a turn.
And btw. the physics from GTHD are a LOT better compared to GT4.

[Z]

they did say that they will/have updated the physics engine. but we may not see the final result until the finished game ships. I don't know if GT5P will demonstrate it or not.

[Killing Moon]

Has it been confirmed that PD is working on improving the car physic's of Gran Turismo? You know, whenever I go watching a clip of GT there are always comments of Xbox fans saying, it doesn't matter if the graphics look better when the gameplay sucks in comparison with Forza 2 etc.

Someone got confirmation of Kazunori Yamauchi himself saying car physic's will be improved in GT5?

Truth be told, as far as gameplay's concerned, Forza fans need to keep the trap shut. While FM2 plays better than the first one (which wasn't hard to begin with), it still possesses horrible traction control and braking mechanics.

For life of me, I can't understand why, but you're constantly sliding, drifting and fishtailing way too easy in that game. I've tried to test it in SEVERAL sims via the Supra (Enthusia, GT4) and the Evo VIII (Enthusia, GT4, TOCA3) and FM2 is the only one that controls this badly. Even Enthusia is better with traction than FM2 is. Not by much, but it's there, at least.

I figure that MAYBE they're still using sports' tire traction "code" for their racing slicks in the game. Even still, I tried it again with sports tires in GT4 and still didn't have this problem. So really, your guesses are as good as mine.

Forza's strengths [still] are in its vinyl/decal system, not its gameplay.

Now for the friggin' trees in GT5, this is a PRE-ALPHA build, people. They're still using PS2 map assets to test the cars on. Consider that they only need to remodel the tracks since they laser-measured every one down to the millimeter in the last game. It all just needs a face lift, which is relatively EASY considering the source material.

Out of all things wrong with the GT series, graphics is DEFINITELY not one of them and never will be.

In other words... :whogives:

[curryking1]

I give a pants! 2D trees ftl!! DEATH TO YAMAUCHI! RAWWRRR!!!

[Cless]

ah ok, I am sure Yamauchi will deliver a perfect GT (was not really sure and I thought he only gives a higher priority to the graphics and not gameplay/physics). Thanks for the replies. :)

[agentorange]

Damage features should be implemented even a minor one will help.

[Fillibuster]

Out of all things wrong with the GT series, graphics is DEFINITELY not one of them and never will be.

In other words... :whogives:

QFMFT!!!

[Fazares]

it would be a shame to not improve the physics engine... cell is asking for it....

[Fats]

Of course the Physics are going to be improved, why are people saying otherwise? It's what Cell was made to do!

[agentorange]

QFMFT!!!

Hello? Damage features is knocking on the door is is next gen by the way and a lot of people are sick of seeing unrealistic car behavior. Imagine a car head on still nothing happens. Hey at last show even a simple scratch or marks or you can feel the handling of the car has change. Next gen is all about realism and simulation. Up to the point you can even small the petrol and the burning rubber right in front of the TV hehe!

[Fats]

Why haven't you been banned yet?

[VG Aficionado]

Why haven't you been banned yet?It should have happened by now... (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1588975&postcount=1951)

[yoshaw]

Specimens like him don't deserve a choice actually, IMO.

Yea agent, I'm tough love. Sue me.

[Leedogg]

wow the last time i saw agentorange he had four red bars, now he has 11 LOL

ontopic: At first I wanted damage too, but now I don't care. If it does I would be afraid to stratch it. They will either go all out with damage, or not at all. IMO

[GTAce]

If it does I would be afraid to stratch it.
Thats why i want damage espicially online.
No real racer will damage his car just to overtake one or two.
If someone is really afraid to damage his car that would be perfect (and btw something that i call "4D" the player gets real feelings while playing :-p).

[Segitz]

Thats why i want damage espicially online.
No real racer will damage his car just to overtake one or two.
If someone is really afraid to damage his car that would be perfect (and btw something that i call "4D" the player gets real feelings while playing :-p).

FULL ACK here!

Often with online racers (ok, it is deliberate in Motorstorm), some other sucky players just crash you out of the race... I HATE that! A real race mostly does not "feature" two cars even touching. I mean, look at the Porsche Super Cup (an amateur racing league in Germany). The drivers are mostly amateurs, that have to pay their own money to repair their cars (and the ones they damaged, if it was their fault).

I mean, a little bumping (think DTM) is all and well, but more isnt fun anymore. They should also incorporate a flag system with penalties and the like!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It should have happened by now... (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1588975&postcount=1951)

I agree!

[Killing Moon]

I hate to say it, but a more refined version of what TOCA3 boasted would fit GT5 very well. Flag systems (yellow, black, etc.) and damage modeling/performance damage. Believe me, when playing this on Simulation mode, it definitely helps you up your game and skill tremendously when racing others.

But then again, I’m not gonna get into a wish list of features that SHOULD be in GT anymore. I already when through that fiasco with GT4.

[Z]

don't 'agree'. do something about it.

[Killing Moon]

don't 'agree'. do something about it.
Oh, I plan to, believe me. But career choices have…taking a detour of sorts lately.
Ahh, fuck it, I’ll give a wish list one more time.

- visual/performance damage (on par or better than TOCA3)
- gradual damage (engine wear and tear, brakes, tires, tranny, rollcage etc.)
- professional flag system
- aero kits (each OEM worldwide has official or aftermarket Tuner support); no ricer bullshit
- decals/vinyl system (sorry, it’s practically a standard these days)
- realtime night-to-day progression
- color commentary
- interactive audiences (oohs and aahs according to your performance or crashes)
- NO NURFING VEHICLES (Civics do NOT max out at less than 400bhp).
- ECU/EMS tuning
- Turbo/Supercharger tuning
- Racing conversions (no more buying separate vehicles where it isn’t necessary). Instead of buying a Castrol Tom’s Supra, buy the parts and conversions to turn your ’97 Supra INTO one itself.
- Dyno testing!!! (very important)

Unfortunately I doubt that even HALF of this stuff will make it into the game. But hey, it’s a wish list, right!?

[GTAce]

He talked to LaLi...

[The Dude]

The day Gran Turismo 5 comes out is the day I get a PS3


There are just so many things I love about the series. I love how it captures the Grassroots racing feel as opposed to the "badittude street racer y0!" that all the other racing games seem to cater to (sorry Forza but you lost all respect the moment I first heard your sound tracks)

However there are a few naggin issues I have with Gran Turismo. No damange, lack of feel or feed back from the tires when you are messing up and they are rolling on their sidewalls (I must appluase Forza 2 for nailing this aspect) Using the should buttons is also a brilliant way to control the brakes and throttle, I really hate using the X and O buttons to do it. Online play would be a welcome addition too but I have faith in PD. I have played all the GT's to death so I don't see why I wouldnt with this one.

[yoshaw]

oops. wrong thread.

[GTAce]

Online play would be a welcome addition too but I have faith in PD.
GT5 Prologie will feature up to 16 players online.

EDIT: Using the should buttons is also a brilliant way to control the brakes and throttle, I really hate using the X and O buttons to do it.
The buttonlayout is customisable in every GT. :)

[makeitlookreal]

+ REP agent orange.

Next gen games should have damage to vehicles.

[Killing Moon]

The day Gran Turismo 5 comes out is the day I get a PS3


There are just so many things I love about the series. I love how it captures the Grassroots racing feel as opposed to the "badittude street racer y0!" that all the other racing games seem to cater to (sorry Forza but you lost all respect the moment I first heard your sound tracks)

However there are a few naggin issues I have with Gran Turismo. No damange, lack of feel or feed back from the tires when you are messing up and they are rolling on their sidewalls (I must appluase Forza 2 for nailing this aspect) Using the should buttons is also a brilliant way to control the brakes and throttle, I really hate using the X and O buttons to do it. Online play would be a welcome addition too but I have faith in PD. I have played all the GT's to death so I don't see why I wouldnt with this one.
Why are people STILL using the face buttons for throttle and brake? You SHOULD be using the right analog for that, which proves to be infinitely better than the shoulder buttons. From my experience in racing titles, anyway.

[GTAce]

Agree r stick FTW lol.

And like i said you can change it completly in every GT.

[Killing Moon]

Agree r stick FTW lol.

And like i said you can change it completly in every GT.

Exactly, from Gran Turismo 1 and on.

I used to use the face buttons years ago before GT. But after being exposed to the R-analog’s godly setup, I cannot even stand to play another racer on any console with shoulder or face buttons for throttle/brake control. You have ultimate control of degrees of pressure more accurately with your thumb and the R/L shoulder buttons for switching gears just can’t be beaten (similar to sequential transmission setups on steering wheels these days).

The configuration is so logical and smooth, I even converted a friend of mine who is an Xbox-only head into using it. Now even HE can’t go back to his previous control setups and he used to have a pretty good one beforehand (where the shoulders where throttle/brake, but the R-analog was to switch gears).

[Z]

all the pad's buttons are pressure sensitive except for Start and Select (duh. and yeah, MILR will bitch about this if he finds out).

and what is even better is that GTHD has the best controller customization. I wish every game had that level of customization. it is really not an issue for the devs to add it at all and it is great for us the users.

[Z]

GT5 Prologie will feature up to 16 players online.


I still giggle every time I read that. as if going online with such detail wasn't enough. :thumbl:

[The Dude]

Why are people STILL using the face buttons for throttle and brake? You SHOULD be using the right analog for that, which proves to be infinitely better than the shoulder buttons. From my experience in racing titles, anyway.

Because there are times were it is necessary to use both the brake and the throttle. I could never get the hang of using the analog.

[ddaryl]

When it comes to GT controller THE ONLY CONTROLLER IS A FULL FORCE FEEDBACK WHEEL.

that is all

[GTAce]

By the way i just noticed something.
After the scene with the Viper who drives a bit offroad there goes the cam inside a TVR and the driver has a TVR suit on! :thumbl:
Damn i love this detail.

[Z]

well, this is PD we're talking about after all. ;)

[Smokey]

I hate to say it, but a more refined version of what TOCA3 boasted would fit GT5 very well. Flag systems (yellow, black, etc.) and damage modeling/performance damage. Believe me, when playing this on Simulation mode, it definitely helps you up your game and skill tremendously when racing others.

[Raijin]

http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/11/24/41/96/gt5-310.jpg

[VG Aficionado]

Cockpit view FTW! =-o

[yoshaw]

=-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o

Yes, Cockpit view FTW!!

Gosh, can't wait to drive an Audi R8 from the inside!!!

[-gin-]

holy shit.. theres awesome ps3 stuff popping up everywhere. that looks sweet, im loving the real time shadows

[Rapture]

in gthd i just set the 8th fastest time (euro) for mazda mx5 forward using d-pad and face buttons, so dont count them out. ;p

should appear next time the board updates, was on that blacksin hobo's account though. :(

[yoshaw]

Ehh, this article is dated for y'day!!?? Was there a GT5 event scheduled for y'day? Regardless, good stuff. Maybe some new info, we need translation.

http://response.jp/issue/2007/0723/article97205_1.html

[Passive]

in gthd i just set the 8th fastest time (euro) for mazda mx5 forward using d-pad and face buttons, so dont count them out. ;p

should appear next time the board updates, was on that blacksin hobo's account though. :(

stfu fgt.

[GTAce]

=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o

HOLY!111

Raijin i love you man you made my day! :thumbl:

[Fazares]

http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/11/24/41/96/gt5-310.jpg
playing with this camera would made my day...i hate gthd camera....