Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

[GTAce]

Mix of GT5P and GTHD Concept (you can see it in Epix link).

[Epix]

Can you guys see the pics in my previous post?

[curryking1]

No, not me, sorry lol :P

[GTAce]

Uhm.. no lol.

EDIT: Ah yeah i can see a pic now. Yep yep looks good but isnt new.
You can see all GT5P screens here (http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/gt5p/screen/).

[curryking1]

It's showing now btw :)

And my god does the lighting look awesome in that garage area....

[Epix]

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Realtime RAY-TRACING in the pit menus:
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[GTAce]

That screen with the Xanavi is almost pervert lol.
My favourite screen. (http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/binary/images/983/ah0003a.jpg)

[curryking1]

*drools* That is ***king next gen quality.....

[Smokey]

for the aussies out there here is GT5s Holdens List
this was a post on a commodore forum
Sony released the car list for the upcoming Gran turismo 5 of over 1000 cars. I'm starting to think a PS3 might be worth getting, just to drive some of these. heres the holdens and HSVs that are going to feature in the game. There are some quite interesting cars scattered throughout. with at least one of every commodore (and a few variants) plus nearly every concept car, one starts to wonder why even put other marks in at all?

HOLDEN
Holden [FX] 48215 sedan '48
Holden [FJ] Special sedan '53
Holden [FC] Special sedan '58
Holden [FB] Special sedan '60
Holden [EH] S4 Special sedan '63
Holden [HR] 186S Premier sedan '67
Holden [HR] X2 '67
Holden Sandman Panel Van Concept '00
Holden Sandman [HJ] Panel Van '74
Holden LE [HX] Coupe '76
Holden Torana [LC] GTR '69
Holden Torana [LC] GTR XU1 '70
Holden Torana [LJ] GTR XU1 '72
Holden Torana [LJ] GTRX Concept Car '72
Holden Torana [LH] L34 '74
Holden Torana [LH] SLR 5000 '74
Holden Torana [LX] SLR 5000 '76
Holden Torana [LX] A9X '77
Holden Torana [UC] Sunbird SL'78
Holden Torana A9X Bathurst Race Car '78
Holden Torana [LX] A9X HDT Race Car '79
Holden Torana S '
Holden Astra Turbo '
Holden Astra Convertible '
Holden Monaro [HG] GTS 350 '70
Holden Monaro [HJ] GTS 4 door '74
Holden Monaro [HX] GTS 4 door '76
Holden Monaro [HZ] GTS '77
Holden Monaro [HK] GTS 327 '68
Holden Monaro [HT] GTS 350 '69
Holden Monaro [HQ] GTS 350 Coupe '71
Holden Monaro [HQ] GTS 350 4 door'71
Holden Monaro [HQ] SS 4 door '73
Holden Monaro [HJ] GTS coupe '74
Holden Monaro 427 Concept '03
Holden Monaro CV8R coupe '03
Holden Monaro '06
Holden Monaro Nations Cup Concept Race Car '05
Holden Calais [VL] Turbo '87
Holden Calais [VE] V [High Output Alloytec V6] '07
Holden Commodore [VB] SL/E '79
Holden Commodore [VL] HDT Director '87
Holden Commodore [VC] HDT '80
Holden Commodore [VH] HDT SS Group 3 '82
Holden Commodore [VH] SS '82
Holden Commodore [VK] Group 3 Touring Car (Marlboro) '84
Holden Commodore [VK] HDT Group C race car '84
Holden Commodore [VK] HDT SS Group A '85
Holden Commodore [VL] HDT SS Group A '86
Holden Commodore [VL] HDT Group 3 '87
Holden Commodore [VL] HSV Walkinshaw V8 '88
Holden Commodore [VN] SS '89
Holden Commodore [VP] SS '91
Holden Commodore [VR] SS '93
Holden Commodore [VS] SS '95
Holden Commodore [VT] SS '97
Holden Commodore [VX] SS '00
Holden Commodore [VY] SV8 sedan '03
Holden Commodore [VY] SS sedan '03
Holden Commodore [VY] V8 Supercar '04
Holden Commodore [VZ] SS '04
Holden Commodore [VE] Omega '07
Holden Commodore [VE] SV6 '07
Holden Commodore [VE] SS '07
Holden Commodore [VE] SS VSeries '07
Holden Commodore [VE] V8 Supercar Race Car '07
Holden Commodore Ute SS 5.7 V8 '04
Holden Commodore HRT Race Car '05
HoldenCastrol Team Perkins Commodore '05
Holden Caprice [WM] {High Output Alloytec V6} '07
Holden Statesman [WM] {6.0 V8} '07
Holden Adventra XL8 Wagon '03
Holden Rodeo [LX] 4x4 Crewcab '04
Holden UTEster Concept '01
Holden Hurricane Concept '69
Holden SS '
Holden ECOmmodore Hybrid Concept '05
Holden Elfin MS8 Concept Car '04
Holden HRT Ute '
Holden HRT [VT] V8
Holden SST Concept Car '06
Holden SSX Concept Sedan '02
Holden Torana TT36 Concept Car '04
Holden EFIJY Concept Car '06


HOLDEN SPECIAL VEHICLES
HSV [VN] SV5000 '89
HSV [VZ] SV6000 Limited Edition '05
HSV [VN] SS Group A '90
HSV [VP] Clubsport '91
HSV [VP] Senator '92
HSV [VP] GTS '92
HSV [VR] Clubsport '93
HSV [VR] Senator '93
HSV [VR] GTS '94
HSV [VS] Clubsport '95
HSV [VS] Senator '95
HSV [VS] GTS '95
HSV [VS] GTSR '96
HSV [VT] Clubsport '97
HSV [VT] Senator '97
HSV [VT] GTS '97
HSV [VX] Clubsport R8 '00
HSV [VX] Senator Signature '00
HSV [VX] GTS '01
HSV [VY] Clubsport R8 '02
HSV [VY] Senator Signature '02
HSV [VY] GTS '02
HSV HRT 427 Concept '02
HSV GTS Coupe '03
HSV Coupe 4 '03
HSV [VZ] Clubsport R8 '04
HSV [VZ] GTS '04
HSV [VZ] Commodore Clubsport '04
HSV [VZ] Senator Signature '04
HSV Commodore Avalanche XUV '05
HSV K2 Touring Car '05
HSV GTO LE Limited Edition '05
HSV Ute Thunder Pickup '05
HSV VXR Turbo '05
HSV Maloo R8 '
HSV Maloo R8 15th Anniversary Edition '
HSV Coupe Four '
HSV GTO '
HSV GTS Monaro '
HSV GTSR Concept '
HSV [VX] SV300 '00
HSV K2 passenger Ride Vehicle '05
HSV Dealer Team Touring Car '05
HSV [Eseries] Clubsport R8 '07
HSV [Eseries] GTS '07
HSV [Eseries] Senator Signature '07
HSV Grange {LS2 6.0L V8, 412hp} '08

dont know the real validity of it ;)

[yoshaw]

One of my family members will be getting Holden Commodore S V6 07 very soon. Like in the next week or two. What an amazing looking car it is maaayen!! Here in the MidEast its called Chevy Lumina S. Although a genuine import from Australia before the name change.

+rep smokey as soon as I spread it around!

[Fats]

http://i16.tinypic.com/6ce4umu.jpg

[Smokey]

dont rep too soon Yoshaw im thinking fake at the moment :( but it got me so excited lol being a Holden man & all lol

but if the list is true & there is a ford list getting around. this will sell shitloads of ps3s in AU & NZ etc

[Fats]

It is fake btw.

We've had this 1000 cars discussion before.:)

[yoshaw]

I hear ya loud n clear smokey. Holden cars are the best and they look macho and I sat in that Commodore I was talking earlier. It feels like a space cabin or something on the inside, huuuuge cabin mate. Loved it. My couzin was like, 'love it, purchase at first sight'.

Oh that Dual Shock3 thing. Gotta spread around for you too Fats. Boy oh Boy, when is that Sony conference? I'm getting anxious now.

[Smokey]

dont say that your KILLIN me FATS :(

i dont care if its 300 cars as long all the holdens are in there :(

[Fats]

New Video (http://www.jeux-france.com/news21453_gc-video-gran-turismo-5-prologue.html)

[Smokey]

oh and yoshaw the VE SV6 are a awsome car. over here in AU the whole commodore range scored CAR OF THE YEAR lol

why arnt they getting a V8 mate? 6.0 litres of GRUNT

[Fats]

Is it just me or does the AI in that video look worryingly similar to the way it's always been? Admittedly it won't load quick enough for me, so I've only seen about 15 seconds.

[yoshaw]

=-o I see the dials working!!

=-o =-o =-o =-o

why arnt they getting a V8 mate? 6.0 litres of GRUNT

Oh she wants to, no doubt. But its the usual reason! V8 is too much of a gas guzzler! Only so much she can afford after the high insurance and monthly installment. She's only 21, so...

[Smokey]

understandable yoshaw :)

[GTAce]

Jmmh9BT7iok

EDIT: =-o I see not all cars have a cockpit view it seems.

[satriales]

Is it just me or does the AI in that video look worryingly similar to the way it's always been? Admittedly it won't load quick enough for me, so I've only seen about 15 seconds.

I haven't seen the whole video yet either, but so far it looks much better IMO. The cars are not all in a line following the perfect racing line. Some of them are side by side fighting each other and one of them takes a corner too tight and touches the grass. I thought it looked promising.

My favourite thing about that video is that the car is right-hand drive. I hope that's an option when you buy any car (assuming the real car is available in right hand drive).

[GTAce]

My favourite thing about that video is that the car is right-hand drive. I hope that's an option when you buy any car (assuming the real car is available in right hand drive).
You can see the driver right in GT4 in every japanese and english model.
So i dont think it will be an option.
And yeah the AI looks better.

[Fats]

GTAce, what makes you say that?

EDIT : About every car not having a Cockpit view.

[GTAce]

You can see at the end with the Nissan GT-R PROTO he is switching through the views and there is only the cam behind the car, a hood cam (awesome btw) and a bumper cam.

[Fats]

I'll have to watch the YouTube link because I haven't seen it all!

[GTAce]

I could imagine that they didnt model the cockpit because its a concept car.
No real problem i just hope the Mustang will have it lol.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Or maybe it just isn't finished yet. There are a lot of cars to model. Anyway, I'm sure we'll be satisfied with the final game. No damage yet though :cry2:

[GTAce]

Btw i mentioned it in the event board thread but i have to repost it here again:
I miss the gear shift animations.
Even in the convertibles in GT4 you can see how the driver is shifting gears and here nothing. And the whole steering animation is a bit slow and stiff.

[Fats]

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_184432.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_184431.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_184430.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_184429.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_184425.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_184419.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_184418.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_184413.jpg

[GTAce]

Old pics. ;)

[Fats]

Still great looking though.

Grrrr.

[GTAce]

Lol yeah that is correct.^^

[TEEDA]

New trailer GT5 prologue
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_4281_en.html

[Fats]

It's just so beautiful looking. :cry2:

[GTAce]

TEEDA!!!!!!!!! Youre da man lol.

EDIT: Spread to much rep. 8(

[Killing Moon]

Just saw the vid on jeux-france site.
Looks nice on Suzuka Circuit.
Bumper car physics still in tow.

Fail.

[Smokey]

Bumper car physics still in tow.
ya i noticed that too

[OmniCloud]

Just saw the vid on jeux-france site.
Looks nice on Suzuka Circuit.
Bumper car physics still in tow.

Fail.LMAO:lol:

[user friendly]

Had to post this here as well,

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p13a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p14a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p17a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p18a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p20a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p21a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/23322493194.jpg

GOTY.

More here (http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/screen/)
New HD Trailer (http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/movie/d1109.html)
Updated Site (http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/)

[mario25]

Just saw the vid on jeux-france site.
Looks nice on Suzuka Circuit.
Bumper car physics still in tow.

Fail.

Rather have that than a GT game looking like a last gen game. like that other game

[Smokey]

it will be a must buy for me (bumpers or not) but damn those cars are stunning :wank:

[Fazares]

if i have to nitpick the pilots and engineer models are quite ps2-ish...but i guess we shouldnt care...

[Fats]

Christ. The mechanics appear to be wearing BMW F1 Team Inflections (http://media.laredoute.fr/product/picture/29059292o_aix.jpg) on their feet in the picture with the Z4, now THAT'S attention to detail.

I've been working in a sports shop for too long.

[Smokey]

how many cars IS rumoured to be in the proper GT5?

[Fats]

300 max. That's my guess.

[Smokey]

is this because of the modeling time?

[GTAce]

Christ. The mechanics appear to be wearing BMW F1 Team Inflections (http://media.laredoute.fr/product/picture/29059292o_aix.jpg) on their feet in the picture with the Z4, now THAT'S attention to detail.

I've been working in a sports shop for too long.

Yeah the team and the drivers clothes fits to the cars.
That should look amazing while pitstops.

And @ the last pic.... i never thought a F430 looks good NEVER till today lol.
Cant describe how beauty this game is.

[Fats]

is this because of the modeling time?

I would say so aye, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was much less. How many cars were in GT3? 170? GT2 had around 700 didn't it?

[GTAce]

GT3 had something with 300 and the PAL version of GT4 over 730.
http://www.gamersyde.com/leech_4296_en.html <-New gameplay vid (R8 Cockpit).
Kudos to relio from the gtrp.de board.

[Fats]

GT3 never had that many cars GTAce,

On the downside, far fewer vehicles are available in GT3 (just over 150) than GT2 (around 650). This is attributed largely to the work needed for the more detailed graphics and statistics for the cars, and the game's release being early in the PlayStation 2's lifespan.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_3:_A-Spec)

GT4 had 721. ;)

[GTAce]

Oh not 730 726 PAL version CLICK (http://www.gtrp.de/forums/showthread.php?t=8917).
Not sure with GT3 i thought it had something with 290-300..

[OmniCloud]

Damage...

[Killing Moon]

I think the visuals look great and all, but seriously, if this game actually wins a GOTY award simply off of its looks, it just shows how superficial our industry really is, man.

Honest to God, I've put some time into the GT HD demo and it's really a near carbon copy of the last game. Now the more recent videos show much of the same just as well.

But then again, I guess that's mainstream entertainment in general.
Looks over substance seems to win nearly every time.

[curryking1]

It's GT5 Prologue, how on earth can it win a GOTY? And GT HD was meant to be a tech demo no? I wouldn't expect much different from GT5P. GT5P seems more like an online and graphics experiment more than anything close to a fully fledged game.

When GT5 comes out and it's GT5P with upgrades and more cars and GT4's steering, and the no damage thing, can't you rag on it then? I thought we were supposed to be expecting this from GTHD and GT5P.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Killing Moon I'd relax, people see purty graffix, wet their pants, and start slinging game of the year around like Jackson Pollock with some paint.

[Killing Moon]

Seems very suspicious and a bit predictable, that’s all.
Ah well…so other than the visuals, what NEW gameplay features is GT5 supposed to introduce? I’ve been missing some latest reports thanks to work and all.

[B Dizzle]

looks like PD brewed up a special pot of "Tub O' Shine"tm. With a special Buy Two Tubs and get a tube of "DamageBeDamned"(patent pending) free.

I hope they passed on the Chateaux A.I. 1997, it was a great wine in its day but, tastes like piss now.

[GTAce]

Couple of self made screenies from the new trailer. (http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=34W8PIGB)
I know not nessecary but i dont give a fuck lol.

[masonite]

Seems very suspicious and a bit predictable, that’s all.
Ah well…so other than the visuals, what NEW gameplay features is GT5 supposed to introduce? I’ve been missing some latest reports thanks to work and all.

lol...killing moon thinks something is a bit predictable....

And what new arguments are your recent posts in this thread supposed to have introduced?



I find it ironic that someone who is so violently opposed to "standing still" is the one who feels the need to post the same rhetoric over and again, almost without changing the post....... unfortunately the rhetoric is so far from the truth now its laughable.

If we were to believe the gap between GT and other "simulators" is a great as you say it is, GT would simply be a crayon drawing from a preschooler compared to the architectural excellence of TOCA, where "damage" equals a car being driveable after a 150km/h collision, and "handling" equals cars getting airborne at mt panorama...

[Smokey]

"handling" equals cars getting airborne at mt panorama...
they did fix that in toca/V8s 3.... although the handling in Pro-sim was a bit more arcadey than 2

[masonite]

although the handling in Pro-sim was a bit more arcadey than 2

i guess that just shows how superficial our industry really is... ;)

[Smokey]

true masonite :)

[Leedogg]

Had to post this here as well,

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p13a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p14a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p17a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p18a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p20a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/p21a.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/23322493194.jpg

GOTY.

More here (http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/screen/)
New HD Trailer (http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/movie/d1109.html)
Updated Site (http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/)

:shocked: :shocked:

do you see the reflection of the Gran Turismo sign on the R8's headlight!!!!! :buldge:

October can't come soon enough!!!!!!!!

[wotter]

http://www.jeux-france.com/news21522_gc-demo-de-gt5-prologue.html

Presentation of GT5:P, must see!

200k polygons per car!

[Sephiroth_VII]

I see Home :hugegrin:

[Fillibuster]

I can't sleep at night because of these screens...lol

[masteratt]

hooooooooly shit.

Too bad I'm not a fan of this game. :-(

[curryking1]

At 200 thousands polygons per car, and you're not a fan! masteratt, how could you!?!

*ignore list*

[VG Aficionado]

200k polygons?! :shocked: And there are 16 of them on screen online??!! :shocked: :shocked: Plus environments???!!! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: Rendered at native 1080p60????!!!! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: With global illumination, day/night cycle and weather effects?????!!!!! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

I can understand why it's going to be tough to implement car damage on top of all that... not to mention the huge amount of cars and tracks the game will have.

By the way, is that trailer available on PSN? I need it!

[curryking1]

It's on the Gran Turismo site, 720p version. The link is somewhere in this thread... somewhere.....

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well, they said that damage might be added to Prologue later via updates, so I guess that means there's a good chance of seeing it in the final version of GT5.

Also, 6 months per car!? Sick...

[masteratt]

VG's post is not seizure-free, ouch.

[Fats]

We just had a chance to sit down with Gran Turismo series creator Kazunori Yamauchi to not only watch the Polyphony Digital president play some expert-level Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, but catch up on how the teaser version of Gran Turismo 5 will play. The early taste of the first proper PLAYSTATION 3 release will feature a number of firsts, including online play, damage effects for cars, and fully modeled interiors.

We spent a good portion of our session going through Prologue's "My Page" features. Most of it is rather self explanatory—Options, Home integration, Garage—but Polyphony touched briefly on the TV functions. The developers plans to show videos of non-game content, including (potentially) real life races, television shows, and "how to" clips created by Polyphony themselves. The My Page Profile aspect was pitched as very straightforward, containing information about the user's personality, but we weren't shown what it actually looks like.

Kaz seemed pretty proud of his latest car museum disguised as a PlayStation game, giving us ample eyeball time with the lovingly crafted car models. He showed us details on a 2006 Ferrari F430, making sure we didn't miss the stitched leather details to our left. Yes, Kaz, very pretty. Players will be able to inspect Polyphony's hard work even during races, as the GT driving wheel will let drivers pan left and right, an option supposedly not available with the SIXAXIS controller.

We also got a bird's eye view of the Lotus Elise convertible from the same model year which he took out for a spin on the familiar Suzuka Circuit. This probably won't come as a surprise, but Kaz was pretty good at playing Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. The one curiosity I noticed was that he steered with the D-pad, not the analog stick. He told me to chalk it up to habit, having learned how to play his own game on the original PlayStation, before the controller became the analog stick-equipped DualShock.

Hardcore racer will be pleased to learn that GT5 Prologue will also add a new level of mastery for expert drivers, with a Professional driving physics option. Apparently, fan requests for a more intense driving experience led to the change.

Also at the behest of fans is a working damage model, one of unspecified depth. We didn't see Kaz run into anything during our session, so it was hard to tell if the game features the system in place yet. When asked about the new built-from-the-ground-up AI code and the option for car damage, Yamauchi indicated that CPU controlled drivers are aware of the new penalties for playing "bumper cars." With up to sixteen cars on the track, they need to be aware of each and the danger of spinning out when one comes in contact with another.

Yamauchi says these changes will lead to fewer cars lining up as they had in previous Gran Turismo games.

Apparently, with GT5 Prologue being built on a car and component basis, virtual racers will be given a better perspective on how their changes in hardware will affect cars from a performance basis and how they'll look when decked out. After learning this, I asked Yamauchi if the new guys at PD are stuck building just components, like aftermarket wheels and bonnets. No, he said, but that is one of the tests when someone comes on at the developer. Get your tire models right, then you can move on to cars.

Yamauchi also confirmed, via his translator Tsubasa Inaba, that a new force feedback wheel is being developed specifically for the release of the game. The Polyphony Digital staff declined to give us additional details on what changes we could expect, but I think we can safely assume that they're not adding motion control.

The bad news? A North American release has not yet been confirmed. The Europeans and Japanese will get their driving gloves on the game this year, but Yamauchi asked us to solicit fan feedback. They said they'll be evaluating fan interest to see if a US and Canada version makes sense.

You know what to do. If you want it, say so.

Source (http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/gran-turismo-5-prologue-to-feature-car-damage-improved-ai-better-physics-293208.php)
:pinky::pinky::pinky::pinky:

[OmniCloud]

This can't be true!!!

Why no vid with damage in then?

:shifty:

[Fats]

Some points to note so far:

- Game will run @ 1080p, 60fps, replays only @ 30fps because they're throwing a lot more additional effects for replays

- The map above the screen will allow you to spot your friends who are online, and their weather conditions

- The calendar will allow you to schedule events with friends, like let's run on the nurburgring on the 28th of november, etc

- TV will allow you to see non game content. TV shows, videos shot be PD etc. The translator said they wanted to do this because people like yamauchi turn their tv on ASA they get back home and look for car related stuff. They'll give more infos during TGS. They hinted that Season 10 of Top Gear will be available for viewing! OMFG!!!
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- Album will allow you to share shots and replays

- Home is still WIP. Ultimately they want seamless transitions between GT5 and Home. More infos @ TGS.

- GT5P will have all the basic online options you'd expect from a racing game

"PS3 GT5 Prologue - 1 car.
The number of polygons, on average, because we now model the interior as well... on average is about 200,000 polygons, for 1 car.

GT4 PS2 - 4,000 polygons. So the gap is 50x bigger on PS3 than PS2."

BTW the Average polygon count for a car in Forza was 100,000 polygons!

Source (http://www.jeux-france.com/news21522_gc-demo-de-gt5-prologue.html)

[yoshaw]

The same presentation could had been done in 10mins if done without the orgasmic waits Kazunouri-san was doing. I mean its so obvious that they want us to see the hard work they put in the models n graphics. LOLL but after the mess that was the GT E306 presentation, they should be more careful! >_< I dozed off thrice watching that new Leipzig presentation :laugh:

[Raitei]

top gear?

ARE YOU FSCKING KIDDING ME


WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN


also... cool about damage

[Fats]

OUTRAGEOUS!

caps.

[VG Aficionado]

What?! Damage?!?!?! =-o

[Killing Moon]

Damage, huh?
Okay, we’ll see.

Every single feature promised in this game was promised in the last game. Weather, damage, etc.

So again…we’ll see.

[GTAce]

Omfg Im So Hyped!

[Segitz]

Erstmals experimentiert Yamauchi auch mit Schadensmodellen. Bisher galt dies bei den Autoliebhabern als Frevel, aber für einen höheren Realismus soll es auch in Gran Turismo Blechschaden geben. In welcher Form die Fahrzeuge beschädigt werden können, stehe allerdings noch nicht fest. Gestrichen wurde die langwierige Fahrschule des Vorgängers. Jetzt kann man gleich loslegen und muss in Rennen weitere Lizenzen für neue Fahrzeuge und Strecken freischalten.

Source (http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94829)

For the first time, Yamauchi experiments with damage modelling. Up until now, this was seen as heresy by car lovers, but for having a higher level of realism, there should be damage in GT. In what form the damage will pan out is not decided yet. The drawn-out driving school of its predecessors was scrapped. You now kann start directly and you have to get licences for new new cars and tracks.

Another source, and a VERY reliable that is. That sound pretty good :D

[GTAce]

ZOMFG they will update GT5P with rain, snow and nighteffects!!!111

[curryking1]

All those peripheral features sound NUTS. Absolutely nuts. They start to get TV onto the freaking game, I mean, FACK, that is awesome media crap right there! My god, and the AI... and my god! I can't wait to get this mother ***king shit online (I pray, pray I will be able to!!!)! AND weather! You gotta be kidding me...

I.... I don't know what to say.... Is that modeling going to be in Prologue? I mean feck! I must get my hands on that ***t! Come to North America! What are you thinking not bringing it to North America!

It's ***king GRAN TURISMO HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO US!!!

[GTAce]

Of course they gonna bring it to NA its just "not announced". ;)

[curryking1]

But it says they are thinking about it only!!!

What is there to think about.. honestly.. what is there to think about........ Their 'evaluation' better be positive or I'm gonna be one angry mother ***ker..... :cry2:

[GTAce]

I invite you to visit me in Bonn to play GT5P if its not gonna be released in Canada BUT you must pay for the flight LOL.

[Cyrus]

It's going to be a HUGE game, no doubt. Cant wait, the online is going to be so great and 16 players online is so freakin cool! And the haters will get what they wanted (damage) it seems. :p I think Prologue alone would be enough for me for the next year, could play it for 100's of hours easily.

[GTAce]

Uhm btw Binford_tools at www.gtrp.de said the sound of the cars is great.
He compared the sound of the Viper with its original in real life.
No confirmation here but it sounds good.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'll make a video for you of me playing it :hugegrin:

[GTAce]

EDIT: nvm lol.
That was mean i thought you make a trip to Leipzig LOL.

[Fats]

This, to me at least AND as long as it all comes to fruition, justifies the £425. :)

[Fredag]

I will buy this car someday... ...It's just like it got my name on it! :)

http://xs118.xs.to/xs118/07346/GT5audiR8.png

[Fats]

Lmao, good stuff! :)

[Nameless]

I guess I'm late to the party, but OMG sixteen 200K Poly cars running at 60fps at 1080P resolution! The guys at PD are truely programming gods, because many would have said this feat was impossible even on the PS3...
I doubt it will happen, but PD needs to share their techniques or tools, because the game looks absolutely amazing in a league of it's own.
Also, the community and online features appear to be thought out very well...
This game can't be released fast enough and could be the title to really show the true potential of the PS3 as a gaming platform...

[makeitlookreal]

I agree with you Nameless. Games like this one really show what the PS3 is capable of producing. Additionally, we are still early in the life of the PS3. Things are only going to get better.

[satriales]

Come to North America! What are you thinking not bringing it to North America!

It's ***king GRAN TURISMO HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO US!!!
Even if they don't release it in the US, you should be able to import it.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Car games (especially GT) tend to have amazing graphics because the gameplay is extremely limited and focused. You're on a closed track and the entire environment is closed off, non-interactive. Cars aren't complex things as far as 3D modeling goes, compared to say, a person. A machine is much easier to make look realistic. So they can really take advantage of PS3's visual power when there's so little to actually interact with or calculate as far as the player 'fooling around' in the game. Not knocking Gran Turismo because I am a fan of the series and it's drop dead gorgeous, but...there's certainly a number of reasons why it looks, and always has looked as great as it does with each generation.

[LiquidEagle]

True dat. It still says a lot about PD that compared to any other racing game Gran Turismo just looks much, much better.

So if they can keep the graphics looking that sharp and implement car damage, then god damn. That's all I have to say about that :-p

[satriales]

30min demonstration:
http://www.jeuxfrance.org/PlayStation_3/Gran_Turismo_5_Prologue_2.flv

The quality is not the best (off-screen camera), but it's good enough to tell that GT is in a whole different league to everyone else. The detail on the cars is insane and I actually said 'wow' whem I saw the SL55 interior in the car select screen.

[PS3LikeNoOther]

So if this game has 16 cars with 200k polygons each plus the track, how many polygons are they doing. The cars allown are 3.2 million, so if they were all on screen at once that is 192 million per sec right their. That donsn't even put into account the amount of effects that are in the game and the background polys. Of course we all knew this game was a show peice for the system anayway.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/gran-turismo-5-prologue-to-feature-car-damage-improved-ai-better-physics-293208.php

Quote:
Also at the behest of fans is a working damage model, one of unspecified depth.

@Killing Moon

So what else is wrong with the game that Polyphony needs to address?

[Segitz]

So if this game has 16 cars with 200k polygons each plus the track, how many polygons are they doing. The cars allown are 3.2 million, so if they were all on screen at once that is 192 million per sec right their. That donsn't even put into account the amount of effects that are in the game and the background polys. Of course we all knew this game was a show peice for the system anayway.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/gran-turismo-5-prologue-to-feature-car-damage-improved-ai-better-physics-293208.php

Quote:
Also at the behest of fans is a working damage model, one of unspecified depth.

@Killing Moon

So what else is wrong with the game that Polyphony needs to address?

The cars may have 200k polys per model, but there's also the little thing called LOD (and no, this time it is not lots of ducks), which reduces polys of meshes when the camera as farther away. I doubt, in the trailers when you see all cars running in one screen, they all have the highest amount...

[B Dizzle]

@Killing Moon

So what else is wrong with the game that Polyphony needs to address?

Cant speak for the K-Moon but if PD learn how to keep a promise, then Sheeeeeeeeeit! This could be The Package.

[OmniCloud]

Cant speak for the K-Moon but if PD learn how to keep a promise, then Sheeeeeeeeeit! This could be The Package.Yeah, damage was rumored before but got canned, I'm not convinced till it's raining bricks in GT and I smack the railing and dent my Honda dammit:rant:

[Segitz]

Yeah, damage was rumored before but got canned, I'm not convinced till it's raining bricks in GT and I smack the railing and dent my Honda dammit:rant:

In the video posted above, they say damage will be added via an update (i.e. it's on the roadmap)!

Nothing got canned

[Leedogg]

All those peripheral features sound NUTS. Absolutely nuts. They start to get TV onto the freaking game, I mean, FACK, that is awesome media crap right there! My god, and the AI... and my god! I can't wait to get this mother ***king shit online (I pray, pray I will be able to!!!)! AND weather! You gotta be kidding me...

I.... I don't know what to say.... Is that modeling going to be in Prologue? I mean feck! I must get my hands on that ***t! Come to North America! What are you thinking not bringing it to North America!

It's ***king GRAN TURISMO HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO US!!!

I agree :cry2: :cry2: If it doesn't come over here (NA)

[Nameless]

Yeah, damage was rumored before but got canned, I'm not convinced till it's raining bricks in GT and I smack the railing and dent my Honda dammit:rant:

Agreed...
I believe it when I see it.

The game is still a visual showcase so I'm in regardless and hopefully PD delivers with updates.

[yoshaw]

I suppose they have their hands filled with polishing the visuals and all. SIX months per car is a good way to see how full a schedule these guys are keeping for themselves and who here thinks this game won't have atleast 100 cars? That alone leaves it like 6monthsx100car hours for PD folks to invest in their warehouse like heaven of a studio.

I'd say it'd take PD to finish all the car models first and then start building the damage model. Unless they have spare staff lying around like Kojima's rumble guy lol. I'd say everyone at PD is busy modeling cars at the moment. Hence the Damage will be added via an update comment. Speaking technically for a second, since when did updates arrive before a finished game got to shelves? haha just a thought I mean. Don't have to agree.

[curryking1]

Or maybe they were thinking about material type deformation and damage models and taking that into consideration during those 6 months for each car??!

Hmmmmmmm.... I hope so :P

[Red_Eyes]

They're still researching damage. If they finish research before the game come out and can implement it into the game, then they'll do that. If not, they'll release it as an add-on when they finished their research.

[Fazares]

200k....polygons per car...when u think that pgr3 cars "only" range from 80 to 100k with 8 cars on screen at 720p with 30 fps+motion blur...thats impressive for sure...btw about tha LOD thing...a guy said the same thing in the bizzarre forums and one of the programmers said the cars are stored as a whole full blown model in the ram so the xbox360 was still charging for so much polygons....

[curryking1]

Does anyone mind looking into the link for the 30 min Gran Turismo 5 presentation? I can't seem to get the link to work for it. I'd love to watch the video, thanks for any help guys :)

[GTAce]

Right click and save as.
You will need a flash player (VLC for example).
Nice video btw. :thumbl:

[Segitz]

200k....polygons per car...when u think that pgr3 cars "only" range from 80 to 100k with 8 cars on screen at 720p with 30 fps+motion blur...thats impressive for sure...btw about tha LOD thing...a guy said the same thing in the bizzarre forums and one of the programmers said the cars are stored as a whole full blown model in the ram so the xbox360 was still charging for so much polygons....

I don't think RAM is the problem here, but the poly throughput of the CPU and GPU. Using 3.2mil polys on cars alone in any given scene, the scenery will suffer very much.

[Killing Moon]

The AI from recent videos still looks terrible.
Like really, when exactly are these important issues going to be addressed?

Or is the grand upgrade for this game JUST going to be damage modeling....possibly coming late to the party to boot. Wait, that's right...they're RESEARCHING damage modeling (as if he's going to accomplish some magical virtual feat that hasn't been covered already).

I'm sorry, visuals just are NOT enough, man. I can't be that superficial.
I need gameplay upgrades, after all, I'm playing the game, not just staring at it. If that's all this generation is about, then it really is sad for this industry today.

[yoshaw]

^For Fucks Sake!! We get it dude!

Now STFU and wait for your turn to boo on PD when they don't put in the damage system or improve the AI. I'll be right there with ya but just give it a rest for now.

[GTAce]

^For Fucks Sake!! We get it dude!

Now STFU and wait for your turn to boo on PD when they don't put in the damage system.

Qft.

[Insane Metal]

AI in recent videos suck? They are MUCH BETTER than in previous GT games. I saw the opponents fighting for positions, something I´ve never seen in a GT game. They always follow a straight path lol

The AI is good enough for a Prologue game.

[curryking1]

I can't get the 30 min video to work... .no fair.... :(

Anyways... CHECK THIS OUT!!!!

Today, we sat in on a presentation hosted by Gran Turismo series creator Kazunori Yamauchi as he demonstrated some of the new features that will be present in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. The game is due for release on the PlayStation Network as a free download later this year.

Link (http://uk.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177157&pid=942026&tag=top_stories;story;2)

:evillaugh

I wonder if they got it wrong... but ya, posting anyway!

[GTAce]

Holy cow.
But what is with the BD version?
Maybe it has a bonus on the disc because i dont think you can get a free Blu-ray with GT5P.
Or Gamespot talks crap lol.

[curryking1]

Ya, I want a hard copy version. To be honest, I'd plunk 40 CAD down for it, if not more. I have a gut feeling GS got it wrong as well.

[VG Aficionado]

Nah, I don't believe it will be free.

[BruceWayneIII]

Okay, it doesn't seem that you guys saw the IGN Insider GT5 Prologue gameplay.

IGN Insider GT5 Prologue gameplay, 1280x720p, offscreen:
- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VBZ8LTHJ

[GTAce]

=-o

Youre DA insider lol.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Dammit, Bruce, leave some for me, haha!!!

[Fazares]

The AI from recent videos still looks terrible.
Like really, when exactly are these important issues going to be addressed?

Or is the grand upgrade for this game JUST going to be damage modeling....possibly coming late to the party to boot. Wait, that's right...they're RESEARCHING damage modeling (as if he's going to accomplish some magical virtual feat that hasn't been covered already).

I'm sorry, visuals just are NOT enough, man. I can't be that superficial.
I need gameplay upgrades, after all, I'm playing the game, not just staring at it. If that's all this generation is about, then it really is sad for this industry today.

hmm what should i say...then?
after seein the next gen pes2008:-/

[GTAce]

Okay, it doesn't seem that you guys saw the IGN Insider GT5 Prologue gameplay.

IGN Insider GT5 Prologue gameplay, 1280x720p, offscreen:
- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VBZ8LTHJ

Damn wanna rep ya again lol.

EDIT: Shit i have to wait 456 minutes before i can download something again from megaupload.^^

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'll upload to another site :P

(Bwahahaha!! I finally defeated Bruce!!

Less than an hour left.

[VG Aficionado]

Damn wanna rep ya again lol.

EDIT: Shit i have to wait 456 minutes before i can download something again from megaupload.^^Unless you have a static IP, you can always restart your modem or router and get a new IP and keep downloading from megaupload, rapidshare and whatnot almost immediately.

[GTAce]

Hey thanks for the tip.
But now ill wait for Sephs upload lol. XD

[Sephiroth_VII]

Unless you have a static IP, you can always restart your modem or router and get a new IP and keep downloading from megaupload, rapidshare and whatnot almost immediately.

Seriously? I'll have to try that later.:thumbl:

EDIT: Thanks GTAce :cry2:

[Insane Metal]

I'll upload to another site :P

(Bwahahaha!! I finally defeated Bruce!!

Less than an hour left.
THANKSSSS :wave::thumbl::thumbl:

I can´t download anything from MU :cry2:

[VG Aficionado]

That's a very simple trick which doesn't require you to change any parameter at all. Simply switch it off and on. Depending on your ISP, you might have to wait a minute or two before you turn it on to actually get a new IP automatically, but there's a chance you won't have to.

[VonGak]

Heh, I thought they went with the MAC address instead of IP like most other download services and boards.

[Fats]

Word on the street has it that GT5:P is going to be free but I personally don't believe this.

[GTAce]

Look at the last site.^^
Gamespot said this.

[VonGak]

:( I do not have much faith in Gamespot

[VG Aficionado]

Where have you been, VonGak? :)

I used that trick many times with both megaupload and rapidshare, it just works.

[BruceWayneIII]

IGN Insider GT5 Prologue gameplay, FileFront:

http://files.filefront.com/gt5prologue+082407+1+wmvhdwmv/;8405985;;/fileinfo.html

[GTAce]

Poor Seph.
I will download BOTH version! :laugh:

[VonGak]

Where have you been, VonGak? :)

I used that trick many times with both megaupload and rapidshare, it just works.

On vacation a place where NeoGaf is set as startup page, much better to have one's good ol' computer back.

Good too see that things haven't changed, KillingMoon is still trying his best. :thumbl:

Too bad I got a static IP address, rebooting the modem is faster than looking for an available MAC address.

[BruceWayneIII]

Poor Seph.
I will download BOTH version! :laugh:

The kid needs to learn WHEN to celebrate a victory :hugegrin:

[GTAce]

:lol:

[Sephiroth_VII]

The kid needs to learn WHEN to celebrate a victory :hugegrin:

You will die.... :realmad

[BruceWayneIII]

Well, this one is quite good too:

http://files.filefront.com/t+gt5prologue+devoverview4wmv/;8406962;;/fileinfo.html

[yoshaw]

^That black Mustang in the end of that trailer you linked. OMG!! Wow ... just wow!!

[section]

Thanks for the videos, although off-screen you can see the new A.I. giving room if you are passing them by. They talk about a road map for adding change of weather, tuning, damage with system updates to the core game.

Pleeze don't take too long with them update iterations PD :) I actually one day saw they were still into developing GT PSP so it neither shouldn't be counted out, one day :D

[Raitei]

It was revealed in the Leipzig Games Convention that Gran Turismo 5 Prologue will be available as a free download. Series creator Kazunori Yamauchi himself confirmed this, saying that the download won't only be for free on the PlayStation Network, but will roll out later on this year. Some definite good news there!

However, PlayStation site PSU upped the ante of this announcement by contacting SCEI. Their response was a simple: "Yes, it will be free for download on the PSN, and we are thinking of charging---but doubt it. For now it is free."

found that on QJ, sorry if it was already posted

[VG Aficionado]

Excellent news indeed :)

[GTAce]

Great to have an official confirmation here!

[masteratt]

What a generous gesture.

[Leedogg]

heck yea!!!!

Thank you Sony!!!!!!!!!!!


:djparty:

[curryking1]

It actually is free? That's... zany...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Guess I can remove one game from my budget. Phew, that was much needed!

[section]

An excellent game to promote PSN.

Even without weather changes or damage ;)

[Overload]

First download over 2gigs????

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Thank Jah for background downloading. Unlike the early, dark days of PS3 network shopping.

[Segitz]

Thank Jah for background downloading. Unlike the early, dark days of PS3 network shopping.

Which we superior Europeans never had to suffer :P

[Killing Moon]

On vacation a place where NeoGaf is set as startup page, much better to have one's good ol' computer back.

Good too see that things haven't changed, KillingMoon is still trying his best. :thumbl:

Too bad I got a static IP address, rebooting the modem is faster than looking for an available MAC address.

Yep.

Because, oh, God forbid that I actually have standards, y'know.
Where the leading game of a sub-genre begins playing like a stagnant brick. Literally, at times.

But hey, IT LOOKS GRAPHICALLY AWESOME, right?
:duh:

Good news on the "free" thing though.

[VG Aficionado]

You'll never get tired of complaining in a place where your complaints will not reach Polyphony and where they annoy everyone who has to read them over and over and over and over and over and over again, will you?

[Killing Moon]

You'll never get tired of complaining in a place where your complaints will not reach Polyphony and where they annoy everyone who has to read them over and over and over and over and over and over again, will you?

How do you stop complaints?
Fix the product.

Genius, ain't it?
I'm sorry, I love games and what they bring to the table. Just because the PlayStation is my lead platform doesn't mean that I'll turn a blind eye like a fanboy to the obvious idiocies that a developer continuously repeats.

"No, it's Gran Turismo. There's nothing wrong here. Just look at the graphics".

[GTAce]

Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....

How do you stop complaints?
Fix the product.
But THEY dont see your complaints.
You just annoy the member of the forum thats all.

[Killing Moon]

Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....


But THEY dont see your complaints.
You just annoy the member of the forum thats all.

They get my complaints too.
Whether they READ them is another story altogether.

Be that as it may, sorry. I'm not herding into line like everyone else; my point stands whether you want to like it or not.

Game looks nice.
The gameplay is still stagnant.
When it progresses, then you'll hear otherwise. But that's what forums are for, aren't they? Or is this JUST a place for me to say, "Yay, it's PlayStation. Look at the graphics, the games are perfect!!"

No.

Unfortunately I'm not the only one.
The same way you're tired of hearing me bitch about the game, believe you me, myself and many other gamers are tired of seeing them get away with laziness-murder because individuals like yourself accept their bullshit.

Point: enough w/ the graphics. Fix the F'ing gameplay for Christ's sakes. It's been over 10 goddamn years, man.

[VG Aficionado]

How do you stop complaints?
Fix the product.

Genius, ain't it?Sure, sooo easy. That must be why they aren't satisfying all your needs. [/thicksarcasm]

I'm sorry, I love games and what they bring to the table. Just because the PlayStation is my lead platform doesn't mean that I'll turn a blind eye like a fanboy to the obvious idiocies that a developer continuously repeats.That's not even the point. Like GTAce, me and nearly everyone else says, all you're doing is annoying forum members who are not going to "fix" anything.

Seriously man, you must love bitching and complaining and getting everyone around you annoyed because I can't believe you're so unaware of what you're actually doing, which is totally useless and hopeless for Gran Turismo developers to care about, let alone addressing issues through your complaints in this board.

But you just won't give us a rest, will you?

They get my complaints too.No, they don't. Not here.

Whether they READ them is another story altogether.They don't either.

[user friendly]

PD said they have been hearing requests from a lot of new comers and vets to the GT series. They also said they were working on addressing these issues, these issues being:

Improved AI
Improved Physics
Addition of damage

There are more and I'm sure you will try to point them out to us as well. In case you were going to say something about the rear views looking assy, they also said that will look better in the final version of Prologue.

With that said, I've never been upset with the way GT has handled the driving aspect. Always loved the controls and always will.

[GTAce]

But we know your opinion.
You dont have to post it over and over and... you know the rest lol.
And they added some nice stuff in the game or will add.

Online mode for up to 16 players, the AI IS better when youre not seeing this youre blind man, the AI gets penalty when they bounce someone from the track, a cockpit view wich i ever wanted, they will add rain, snow and nightraces when they CAN and you get new professionel physics for people who really want a realistic experience.
And thats still Prologue, who knows what comes in GT5.
Tuning, damage, maybe a track editor only time will tell.
So please when you want to complain:
WAIT TILL GT5 IS READY.

EDIT: Bit slow but nvm lol.

[Old_Timer!]

You know what KillingMoon, I think we all agree that the GT series is in need of an overhaul when it comes to AI routines and to an extent the physics as well. Kazunori has said his team is trying to address this, they do realize the problem, they are the ones that made it after all.

But when it comes down to the nitty gritty, GT outshines all others it's just plain to see. I can't believe that GT5 Prologue is gonna be a free download, cheers to Sony for supporting the Hardcore gamers out there lol I just hope it's global and not a regoinal thing.

[Killing Moon]

PD said they have been hearing requests from a lot of new comers and vets to the GT series. They also said they were working on addressing these issues, these issues being:

Improved AI
Improved Physics
Addition of damage

There are more and I'm sure you will try to point them out to us as well. In case you were going to say something about the rear views looking assy, they also said that will look better in the final version of Prologue.

With that said, I've never been upset with the way GT has handled the driving aspect. Always loved the controls and always will.

…and all 3 of these supposedly addressed features are still glaringly similar to the previous game(s). I keep hearing, “they said, they said, they said…” yet the results still don’t show. I want to believe that they’re being fixed, really I do. But actions speak louder than words.

So far their actions aren’t proving a thing as of yet.

Hence why I can’t go all ape-shit just because the game looks photorealistic or has a goddamn cockpit view that is only visually better than every other game that’s done it years prior. I mean, let’s be honest here, who the hell DIDN’T expect these things to be here come this generation?

But I’m sure that the little things, like side view mirror flaws will be addressed in the final Prologue build. If it’s anything that you can be sure of, the visuals for a Gran Turismo will always be polished to near perfection.

Everything else, on the other hand, is still questionable.

But we know your opinion.
You dont have to post it over and over and... you know the rest lol.
And they added some nice stuff in the game or will add.

Online mode for up to 16 players, the AI IS better when youre not seeing this youre blind man, the AI gets penalty when they bounce someone from the track, a cockpit view wich i ever wanted, they will add rain, snow and nightraces when they CAN and you get new professionel physics for people who really want a realistic experience.
And thats still Prologue, who knows what comes in GT5.
Tuning, damage, maybe a track editor only time will tell.
So please when you want to complain:
WAIT TILL GT5 IS READY.

EDIT: Bit slow but nvm lol.

The AI is better?
Hmmn, still looks like they’re all driving in the same linear line to me. Just like the last game. Only now there are more cars to witness the brain actions and not just six.

And penalties, okie dokie, nice.

[GTAce]

WRONG!
Watch the 30 minutes demonstration.
Of course theyre driving a bit in a line.
Its a fucking race lol.
But they dont bump you in the ass for example.
There was a scene where Yamauchi cames out of a corner and you can see in the replay that the SL (or was it a Viper.. cant remember atm) was driving in the grass instead of the heck of the F430.
They fight for positions and this in a pretty realistic way a bit agressive like in real touringcar races but not to agressive like it was in TOCA Race Driver 1 for example.

[user friendly]

Yeah, you can tell the AI is different, especially in one of the E3 videos where it's a top down view. You can see them all using a different approach to the corner.

Either way, GT5 > You.

[Fazares]

ahaha...free...ahaha...

[VonGak]

Yeah, you can tell the AI is different, especially in one of the E3 videos where it's a top down view. You can see them all using a different approach to the corner.

Either way, GT5 > You.

I just deleted a gif of that because I thought it had outlived its usefulness. :(

But yup, you are right and quite a few at NeoGaf ooh'd and aww'd at it.

[GTAce]

Do you mean this one? http://i7.tinypic.com/6g9jtk4.gif

[Red_Eyes]

Fix the game? Fix what? There's nothing to fix. With the now more accurate drifting physics, it's already perfect. Fix it? You need fixing.

[VonGak]

Do you mean this one? http://i7.tinypic.com/6g9jtk4.gif

Exactly, it looks almost scripted.

[user friendly]

That's the one, it's beautiful isn't it. Unless it was a bunch of devs playing it and it's just a replay of them and not the AI.

[Raitei]

the first few seconds looks like they're driving in the other direction

[jaxmkii]

killing moon made reading this whole thread hard...

awsome news on GT5

[GTAce]

New off screen gameplay footage filmed by relio from gtrp.de. (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2230150)
You can see the Viper GTS cockpit there.

[yoshaw]

gr8 stuff

Am I the only one who got puzzled by the subtlety of the hand grabs on the steering even when the car was going 120mph+ or got into a major bump/stop? I know I'm sounding MILR-isc here but those hands could use some upgrades and firmness on the wheel while driving at fast speeds or go haywire when bumping into something.

I wouldn't mind game shipped with them, as they are now, if you ask me on the record I mean.

[Nameless]

I'm just glad we have a detailed interior view...

[satriales]

gr8 stuff

Am I the only one who got puzzled by the subtlety of the hand grabs on the steering even when the car was going 120mph+ or got into a major bump/stop? I know I'm sounding MILR-isc here but those hands could use some upgrades and firmness on the wheel while driving at fast speeds or go haywire when bumping into something.

I wouldn't mind game shipped with them, as they are now, if you ask me on the record I mean.
In one of the videos the devs specifically said that the hands and the mirrors were WIP so they should improve before the game is shipped (they'll probably add gear change animation too)

[yoshaw]

^thanks for letting us know that :cheers:

[Raitei]

Real Time Gears Change?

[GTAce]

Yeah in the 30 minutes demonstration.
They wanna add head moving from the driver as well.
Im sure it will be linked to the G meter in the game.

[Killing Moon]

After viewing the 30min. presentation video, there are a whole bevy of other questions that come into play:

- Considering that they’ve modeled the entire interior of every vehicle, what happens when you start gutting the car? Will your racing buckets be shown? Or what about upgraded turbo chargers, does this mean that upgraded FI gauges will show on the dash/windshield? For carbon monocoque, will the entire inside be shown as carbon fiber? And what about rollcages, will this show as well? Also regarding gutting- sound echoes. Will the density of the interior SFX change as you’re gutting the car as well?
- If we’re able to change colors for cars manually (IF!!!), will the pit crew’s colors reflect this as well? Or is this only possible because the user is still limited to a number of pre-set only colors?

Just a few things that came into mind.
The whole player geography thing is a cool idea though.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Will you even be able to gut a car? When was that ever mentioned?

[GTAce]

And what about rollcages, will this show as well?
Yeah like in the tuned cars of GTHD and you can see a rollcage in a Z4 in one screenshot.
- If we’re able to change colors for cars manually (IF!!!), will the pit crew’s colors reflect this as well? Or is this only possible because the user is still limited to a number of pre-set only colors?
The crew has the colors of the MANUFACTOR not from the car.

[Killing Moon]

Will you even be able to gut a car? When was that ever mentioned?

What do you think you’re doing when you go through weight reduction in the Gran Turismo games, dude? Have you read the description of the action before you’ve done it? You remove the rear and passenger seats, stock interior panels, AC and a host of other things. The last level is supposedly changing the entire body outer (and some inner) work into carbon fiber, thereby creating a full fledged racing vehicle.

So yeah, this has been in EVERY Gran Turismo since the first. A staple of automotive tuning. I’m preeeeeeeetty sure it’ll be in the final version of GT5 just as well.
If not, then ah well, just another x mark on a slew of setbacks that the game continues to push through.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well, yeah I guess I just didn't put 2 and 2 together because...we've never had cockpit perspective of the cars in the first place.

[Epix]

Start your engines for Gran Turismo™5 Prologue (http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2007/8/28-48)

New prequel an early taste of Gran Turismo 5 for PLAYSTATION 3 - A taste of Gran Turismo 5 for PLAYSTATION 3 is here at the end of this year - Up to 16-player online racing on PLAYSTATION Network - a Gran Turismo first! - Over 40 dream cars, High Definition graphics, new physics engine… and a TV channel

The real driving simulator that's sold 50 million units is back: Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) and Polyphony Digital are pleased to announce Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, a prequel title showcasing the forthcoming Gran Turismo 5 for PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) – available both on Blu-ray disc and as a download from PLAYSTATION Network (PSN) at the end of this year. Gran Turismo on PlayStation is one of the most successful global gaming franchises of the last ten years – renowned for its realism, quality of design and in-car physics technology – now, with the power of PS3 behind it, it's going to be unstoppable.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue features over 40 stunning cars – including vehicles by Lotus, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Ferrari for you to race on seriously realistic, real-life tracks: including the Eiger Nordwand, the London City Track and Suzuka – all rendered in incredible High Definition graphics. There's also all-new driving physics for the most lifelike driving experience ever and new, improved opponent artificial intelligence for the toughest race challenge yet.

But that's not all – for the first time ever in the history of Gran Turismo, you'll now be able to race online. Up to 16 players will be able to go head-to-head on some of the world's best racetracks on PLAYSTATION Network – all you need to get racing is a broadband connection and PS3. Once you're up and revving, Global Online Rankings and the My Garage homepage feature will leave the world in no doubt as to just who is the best at Gran Turismo.

And then there's the Online Dealership, providing a wealth of information on cars and manufacturers and also Gran Turismo TV – a dedicated online channel available exclusively from PSN and packed with some of the greatest content that Motorsport, car manufacturers and TV has to offer.

Key Features:


The first ever Gran Turismo title with online racing: drive online against up to 16 other Gran Turismo aces

Race a total of over 40 stunning, high-performance cars

Race on seriously realistic, real life tracks including the Eiger Nordwand, the London City Track and Suzuka – then race them in reverse and with alternative routes

All-new physics engine means true next-generation vehicle handling

All-new and improved opponent AI for a nail-biting race experience

Access to Gran Turismo TV : a world of great motoring TV programming online
Online Dealership: Access to car manufacturers online

My Garage - a personalised homepage feature with friends, chat and personal game records

Quick Tune facility allows you to adjust power, tyres, suspension and more

All in stunning High Definition at 1080p (race: 1080p-60fps, replay: 1080p-30fps)


Gran Turismo 5 – the full title – launches in 2008. Until then, there's enough ultra-realistic, high-speed racing in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue on PS3 to keep your accelerator firmly to the floor for the rest of the year.

[GTAce]

That didnt sound like a news, it sounds like a press release or advertisement lol.

[masteratt]

All those features actually sound like.........features!

YAY FOR GT5! prologue

Wait, it's still free right?

[VG Aficionado]

I still don't believe that will be free. Sony would make a lot of money even if they just charged $5 for that.

[GTAce]

Yes its still free.

Some screens i havent seen till yet. (http://www.psu.com/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-Screenshot-113--ss7--gran-turismo-5.php)

VG: But for now its free lol.

[masteratt]

This is why even though Sony rapes the competition, they don't make much profit.

Simply too generous, this is like a full game.

40 cars, 5 or so tracks, all those features.
This is the GT5 if we were still caveman using DVDs for our games.

[Fillibuster]

That's a steal if they keep it free. I would easily pay for this without batting an eye!

[VG Aficionado]

Simply too generous, this is like a full game.

40 cars, 5 or so tracks, all those features.
This is the GT5 if we were still caveman using DVDs for our games.Sounds like a 360 launch title. Without 1080p60 and other features. *runs away*

[section]

That's a steal if they keep it free. I would easily pay for this without batting an eye!

Ssh, if they hear you they will definitely charge for it :wave:

Although if they still intend to release it on blu-ray it can't be free on PSN.

[curryking1]

All those features actually sound like.........features!

I.. KNOW!!! Awesome innit! :):):)

[GTAce]

They should add the new engine sounds to the features. lol
Im so happy that they fixed that.
Hope all cars have now a better sound.

[Leedogg]

ok, I am officially confused now

A couple days ago, they said it will be a free download from the PSN.

Now there saying it will be released on Blu-Ray and PSN.

If they do charge for it, I hope its no more than $19.99.

[GTAce]

No actually they said it will be on BD too and THEN the news with the "its free stuff" came. lol

[user friendly]

It will be just like Warhawk I bet, in regards to pricing that is. It'll probably be cheaper than Warhawk but in the official press release they clearly stated that it will release on BD and PSN.

There's no way it will be free, IMO anyway. That being said, I'll pay for this.

[Fats]

I'd pay for this and would have no problem if it wasn't free. Polyphony are a hard working team and the results they've came out with are nothing short of astonishing, so they've got my money.

[KRA]

it could be free on psn. and blu-ray version can be just a cost of disk and box.

[GTAce]

7 screens (bad quality) (http://www.gfdata.de/archiv08-2007-gamefront/3290.html)

[Fazares]

it cant be free...with a bd release going on....

[Killing Moon]

7 screens (bad quality) (http://www.gfdata.de/archiv08-2007-gamefront/3290.html)

Doesn’t look like bad quality to me. It just looks like it was taken directly from the debug kit(s) and devoid of any image doctoring. THAT is actually how the game looks per frame, so nothing wrong with it.

[curryking1]

Ya, maybe they will have a free PSN download, but make it cost like 30 or 40 bucks on disc. I wouldn't be suprised at that price outside, it'll look like another PS3 game on the shelf to everyone.

[Fazares]

it looks like an ephemeral dream...but who knows...?

[GTAce]

@KM: For screenshots they have a bad quality.
Just look at the colors, i bet with you it looks way better on a TV.

[Killing Moon]

@KM: For screenshots they have a bad quality.
Just look at the colors, i bet with you it looks way better on a TV.

No, they don’t have bad quality at all.

We have to take screenshots every day over here straight from the debug kit. Most of the screens that you see posted online are by PR departments; doctored up in some way or another. These shots appear to be taken straight from the debug console(s), literal raw frames at 1920x1080.

Maybe it’s hard to believe since it’s a Polyphony title, but this is actually what the game looks like. You can even see the little nuances, such as the actual pixels *gasp* and where the pit crew isn’t accurately aligned onto the terrain as they move.

Sorry to burst your bubble, dude. But this is the game in its truest form. Think of it as a sexy celebrity w/o makeup.

[GTAce]

*yawn*

You can even see the little nuances, such as the actual pixels *gasp* and where the pit crew isn’t accurately aligned onto the terrain as they move.
Strange i see this in the other screens too.

[Killing Moon]

*yawn*


Strange i see this in the other screens too.

Dude, stop.

Most of the other screens, including in other games, are VERY smoothed out in order to hide pixels. It gives off the impression that the game(s) are practically CG movies. They’re also color corrected as well. However, when looking at the actual title, you CAN see the pixels as they are, including other areas that they’ve neglected to show.

Also these are probably shots from when they’re changing around the hues, for all you know.

Really, stop sucking PD so hard and try taking reality (or virtual reality) for what it really is at the moment. The game is still in pre-alpha/alpha phases, there are going to be PLENTY of times where we’ll see it look like shit. Hell, there’ll be times where the end product will look like shit too, just like the previous GT’s.

There’s no such thing as a 100% perfect game on any front.
Personally, I think it’s nice that they (or whoever) showed off the raw screens pre-doctored. Even then, it still looks pretty damn good.

[GTAce]

You say "stop" lol funny. :)

I dont think it looks perfect or something, like i said i can see this stuff in the normal screens as well, maybe not that clear but i can see it.
But these screens here have way more jaggies and i bet with you you wont notice them like this when you play the game on a 1080p set.
Man you dont see it like that in the in-game trailers or videos not even in GTHD Concept (GTHD C looks crisper on my SDTV without RGB than those screens).

I think youre right with the directly taken from an SKU etc. but it wont look like that on your tv.

EDIT: And yes it still looks awesome on the screenshot-

[Killing Moon]

You say "stop" lol funny. :)

I dont think it looks perfect or something, like i said i can see this stuff in the normal screens as well, maybe not that clear but i can see it.
But these screens here have way more jaggies and i bet with you you wont notice them like this when you play the game on a 1080p set.
Man you dont see it like that in the in-game trailers or videos not even in GTHD Concept (GTHD C looks crisper on my SDTV without RGB than those screens).

I think youre right with the directly taken from an SKU etc. but it wont look like that on your tv.

EDIT: And yes it still looks awesome on the screenshot-
*Smacks forehead.*

Actually, you DO see it in GTHD and I’ve seen it at 1280x720 as well. The pixels are more difficult to notice because the frames are animating and aren’t still images like these (that and you’re being blinded from the steam of your own breath via your tongue hanging out). But if you take a snap shot of ‘em through the debug kit or through FRAPS, you’d see them clear as day.

Games even when antialiased have a certain amount of jaggies to them. Call it the flaw of dealing with pixels; you can NEVER eliminate them all. Not to mention that these shots are at 1920x1080 so you’ll see more detail than usual (or that you need to see) on your monitor.

I deal with these resolutions every day, man. This is nothing new.

[Smokey]

7 screens (bad quality) (http://www.gfdata.de/archiv08-2007-gamefront/3290.html)

i tend to agree with KM they look fine i reckon.

[Segitz]

i tend to agree with KM they look fine i reckon.

Ya, the only "difference" I see is, that is doesn't have AA, but the rest is more than fine in my eyes. (According to someone at B3D, GTHD does 2XAA when in 720P and none in 1080P, so I am "lucky" :D )

[jaxmkii]

looks fine to me

[GTAce]

Ya, the only "difference" I see is, that is doesn't have AA, but the rest is more than fine in my eyes. (According to someone at B3D, GTHD does 2XAA when in 720P and none in 1080P, so I am "lucky" :D )

Yeah so compared to other screens they have a "bad" quality.
I dont say it looks bad lol.

Never mind, i hope they release some direct feed gameplay videos at TGS.
Btw. on 9/13 the IAA (http://www.iaa.de/index.php?id=home0&L=1) (Internationale Automobil Ausstellung) in Frankfurt starts.
Maybe we will see something there, iirc they had some demo stands for GT4 before it was released.

[Segitz]

Yeah so compared to other screens they have a "bad" quality.
I dont say it looks bad lol.

Never mind, i hope they release some direct feed gameplay videos at TGS.
Btw. on 9/13 the IAA (http://www.iaa.de/index.php?id=home0&L=1) (Internationale Automobil Ausstellung) in Frankfurt starts.
Maybe we will see something there, iirc they had some demo stands for GT4 before it was released.

If things pan out right, I will be at the IAA as a VIP guest :P (automotive engineering student for the win :P )

[Smokey]

thatd be cool segitz :)

[Segitz]

thatd be cool segitz :)

Ya, but nothing is set in stone yet... My last exam is on september 16th (iirc) and after that, the IAA goes on for about a week. We (my and two coeds) have 3 companys at hand (Mercedes Benz amongst them :P) who always want engineering students to attend these "shows".

I hope, it works out though. There's some great stuff to be shown there, and Frankfurt isn't far from my house (about 200kms or 120 or so miles)

[GTAce]

If it works i hope you will shoot some great photos man.
Wanna see a thread in the garage forum. :-p

[VG Aficionado]

Blu-ray version of GT5 Prologue to be priced at 45 €? (http://games.fok.nl/news.php?newsid=20395)

GT4 Prologue was like 40 €, so hardly a surprise except for those who believed it would be free with so much content. Good thing the PSN version will be cheaper.

[Segitz]

Blu-ray version of GT5 Prologue to be priced at 45 €? (http://games.fok.nl/news.php?newsid=20395)

GT4 Prologue was like 40 €, so hardly a surprise except for those who believed it would be free with so much content. Good thing the PSN version will be cheaper.

I thought it was 30€, but I may be wrong (or in Germany it was just less expensive, but I REALLY doubt that!)

I hope, there's no difference in content between PSN and BD release. They should release a new wheel too (need a new one soon, I got mine when GT3 was released :D), hopefully again with Logitech (those also work with PCs and have a 5yrs warranty usually)

[GTAce]

No no GT4P was 40€ (overprized).
45€ would be okay for GT5P because it has content but why said Sony it will be (maybe) free?
If they now make the game available for 20 or maybe even 30 i could understand this but 45 wouldnt be a good strategy imo.

[VG Aficionado]

I'm glad there will be a downloadable version which I hope will be around 20 € at most, because otherwise I won't even consider it. I paid 54 € for MotorStorm and even though I can name a game that has pretty much the same content as GT5P (although not even remotely in the same quality) and was released at full price not so long ago, it's still asking for too much for a "prologue".

It's a lot more than a mere demo, no question, although people will just complain about it.

[VG Aficionado]

GT5 Prologue Price Rumors "Categorically Incorrect" (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/819/819555p1.html)

SCEE has quashed internet rumours suggesting that the Blu-ray version of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue will cost 45 Euros when it launches in Europe later this year. According to Sony, these reports are "categorically incorrect", with no decisions regarding price currently made.

Originally, various internet sources had claimed that price news had been announced by Sony Computer Entertainment Benelux (covering Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg) during a press event.

However, while a Sony UK spokesperson did reiterate that Prologue won't be be free - unlike the previous demo - they confirmed that a price point for both Blu-ray and PlayStation Network versions of the game are "still all to be agreed".

[Leedogg]

free or not I'm getting GT5P :drool:

[section]

I wanted it to be very cheap, even free :(

Will pay 20-30 € at most, otherwise will wait for the real thing.

There better be changing weather and damage upgrades for even such cost, now back to work PD :whip:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

free or not I'm getting GT5P :drool:

[flipflop]

I wanted it to be very cheap, even free :(

Will pay 20-30 € at most, otherwise will wait for the real thing.

There better be changing weather and damage upgrades for even such cost, now back to work PD :whip:
What do you think Sony are a charity?. It will have atleast 40 cars and 5 tracks. Aslong as it's reasonably priced.

[section]

What do I think they mentioned they might release it for free. That's bait and catch, if they don't want me to remember such things they shouldn't say things like that in the first place.

If it was only a speculation from some journalist then I'll go punch him in the nose.

Reasonably priced = 20-30€ atmost.

[flipflop]

What do I think they mentioned they might release it for free. That's bait and catch, if they don't want me to remember such things they shouldn't say things like that in the first place.

If it was only a speculation from some journalist then I'll go punch him in the nose.

Reasonably priced = 20-30€ atmost.
All these rumours are just silly rumours, obvious from the outset that it would cost. As is this $399 ps3 to combat Halo 3 but i expect a price drop close to fall. Or the Killzone demo coming this week to combat halo. Probably all started by MS. Basically everyones expecting these now and when they dont materialize it's all Sony suckerz, Sony lies.

[section]

Aww but let's leave the fanboyish outbursts out of this forum, I think every person capable of thinking for himself understands how things have spun and are spanning out for PS3 media.

[GTAce]

All these rumours are just silly rumours, obvious from the outset that it would cost. As is this $399 ps3 to combat Halo 3 but i expect a price drop close to fall. Or the Killzone demo coming this week to combat halo. Probably all started by MS. Basically everyones expecting these now and when they dont materialize it's all Sony suckerz, Sony lies.

Sony DID say they maybe release it for free. It wasnt a rumour.

[flipflop]

Sony DID say they maybe release it for free. It wasnt a rumour.
Have you got a link?.

[flipflop]

Aww but let's leave the fanboyish outbursts out of this forum, I think every person capable of thinking for himself understands how things have spun and are spanning out for PS3 media.
No fanboyish comments from me. Just pointing out these rumours are ten a penny. And sometimes result in almost turning into official announcements. And when proven to be untrue Sony are slated.

[GTAce]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1662299&postcount=899

[satriales]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1662299&postcount=899

Probably a misunderstanding.

[GTAce]

No no iirc there was another confirmation.
But they said maybe its free.

Soo.. nobody knows lol.
But it wasnt a rumour.

[B Dizzle]

At Leipzig, during Yamauchi-san's half hour presentation he stated categorically the Prologue would be free. I have the entire video in my PS3(I likes to watch the purdy cars) which I'd show you if HOME were up and running.

Now I've never expected it to be free but, anything more than £10 is just plain taking the piss.

[GTAce]

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Blu-ray Disc Version JAP Termin

19.09.07 - Sony gibt in der Famitsu bekannt, dass das Rennspiel Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Blu-ray Disc Version am 13.12.07 in Japan erscheinen wird. Der Preis liegt bei Yen 4.980, während die Download-Version Yen 4.500 kosten soll.

Sony announced in the Famitsu that the racing game Gran Turismo 5 Prologue will be available on blu-ray in Japan on the 12/13/07. The price will be 4.980 Yen, the download version will cost 4.500 Yen.

Eine Demo-Version wird ab dem 20.10.07 angeboten, in der es auch das mysteriöse Fahrzeug 'Fukumen GT-R' geben wird. Im Spiel soll es dann auch erstmals Daytona geben. In GT.TV schaut man sich derweil ein Info-Programm rund um die Autos aus der ganzen Welt an.

A demo version will be available at the 10/20/07, in the demo is a "mysterious" vehicle called 'FUKUMEN GT-R'. For the first time in the series will be Daytona in the game. In GT.TV you can watch info programs about cars from the entire world.

Für im Offline-Modus erspieltes Geld in der Demo-Version kann man sich später in der Vollversion dann auch neue Wagen kaufen.

The in the ofline mode earned money can be used to buy cars in the fullversion from the game


Sooo we have a japanese price, a release date AND we know that we get a demo first.
Im pretty excited with Daytona.
But could someone tell me how much it would cost in € or $?

[Red]

4980 Japanischer Yen = 31.14638 Euro

4980 Japanischer Yen = 43.20889 US Dollar

By the way will they show a new GT5 Prologue Track?

[GTAce]

Ahh thanks.

Yeah Daytona baby! :banana:

I hope one version with and one without infield.
Its a great speedway.

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah, 30 euros seems about right. In before the "OMG Sony charges for demos" BS though.

[Fats]

Sense this is practically like a full game, and an awesome one at that, I have no problem paying the £25 (£20 on PSN?) I expect it to be in this country.