Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

[GTAce]

Agree.
I would pay 60€ for GT5P lol.
Cant wait for the demo now, and who knows when the dl version will be available.

[B Dizzle]

Sense this is practically like a full game, and an awesome one at that, I have no problem paying the £25 (£20 on PSN?) I expect it to be in this country.

I spat my drink out when I read your comment Fats. This is nothing like a full game or at least the full game Yamauchi-san has described. It has features that can be found in a full game but these features a full game they certainly do not make.

(rant on)
Essentially you're saying that you are now willing to pay Sony, WarHawk money(which despite not having a single player element is a complete game and a great one at that.) to beta test their games. Personally, its concept I find laughable and very disturbing.

Could you imagine the outrage if MS decided to charge £20-25 to beta test Halo 3. And before you jump in with "yeah, but you had to buy Crackdown!", this is true but Crackdown was a complete game with both online and off-line elements and you weren't expected to buy the game again when they eventually got round to finishing it.

I love Gran Turismo, I've used it to sell at least 15 PS1's and PS2's to non gaming car freak mates, but the thought of being charged to beta a product and then having to buy the product all over again once its finished is probably why GT4 sold in nothing like the numbers of it predecessors.

I take you'll be happy to pay £20 for the KZ2 beta or The Getaway(if its still in production)

As I said, I dont expect it be free but, I also don't expect to be exploited and sit there grinning about it. I'd rather download the demo and then wait for the full game with Logitech steering wheel pack which I expect not to be cheap but worth every penny than have Sony charge me twice for one a quarter games.

I increasingly get the feeling that there are many too PS3 owners that have grasped the whole "being forced to eat shit and enjoy it" concept a little too wholeheartedly.
(rant off)

Sorry Fats, that wasn't aimed at you specifically, more the actual concept.

[frosty]

GT5 prologue is in no way a "beta".

[satriales]

Could you imagine the outrage if MS decided to charge £20-25 to beta test Halo 3.
You had to buy Crackdown in order to beta test Halo3, that's £40ish.

[B Dizzle]

Explain to me how its "in no way its a beta".

[Passive]

GT5 prologue is in no way a "beta".


not even close. thats like saying the sky is pink. It's just incorrect no matter which way you slice it.


Explain to me how its "in no way its a beta".

Because its not? :P no seriously the way i see it is: It's not a beta because its not in testing phases. the game is being released as a final product just of less quality that GT5 itself. just because it has less content doesnt make it a beta. GT5P isnt sent out to the public for user feedback, its sent out as a taste of whats to come. I know they are very similar. But when was the last time you paid for a beta?

i hope that made sense :S

[B Dizzle]

You had to buy Crackdown in order to beta test Halo3, that's £40ish.

And you couldnt read to the end?

[Fats]

I didn't even bother reading your comment B Dizzle. Like I said, it's practically a full game given the number of tracks, cars and the ability to drive against other people online. I payed £25 for GT4 Prologue, I'm more than happy to do the same for GT5 Prologue.

[satriales]

And you couldnt read to the end?

oops, I thought I read it all but missed that.

[B Dizzle]

I didn't even bother reading your comment B Dizzle. Like I said, it's practically a full game given the number of tracks, cars and the ability to drive against other people online. I payed £25 for GT4 Prologue, I'm more than happy to do the same for GT5 Prologue.

If you didn't bother to read my comment, why would you bother to reply?

[Passive]

lol obviously you didnt read mine..

Explain to me how its "in no way its a beta".

Because its not? :P no seriously the way i see it is: It's not a beta because its not in testing phases. the game is being released as a final product just of less quality that GT5 itself. just because it has less content doesnt make it a beta. GT5P isnt sent out to the public for user feedback, its sent out as a taste of whats to come. I know they are very similar. But when was the last time you paid for a beta?

i hope that made sense :S

[Fats]

Because I can B Dizzle, that's why. :)

[B Dizzle]

Because its not? :P no seriously the way i see it is: It's not a beta because its not in testing phases. the game is being released as a final product just of less quality that GT5 itself. just because it has less content doesnt make it a beta. GT5P isnt sent out to the public for user feedback, its sent out as a taste of whats to come. I know they are very similar. But when was the last time you paid for a beta?

i hope that made sense :S

Thank you for even attempting to answer my question :) even if we disagree.

I agree to a certain degree with what your saying, the car and track models aren't gonna change(the cars at least are beautiful as they are) but they will be receiving public feedback on the online side of things and issues such as damage modeling and weather wont be decided upon until after Prologue is out.

The A.I. is another matter that wont be resolved until after Prologues release. Now personally, weather is a bonus and if it aint there, then it aint there, its all good, but damage(if included, and to be honest, if not, I'll get over it) and A.I. are feature that go to the very heart of driving games.

This is what leads to my belief that Prologue is a beta.

Once again, Fats, I wasn't personally attacking you and I apologize if it came across that way.:)

[Fats]

Yeah, I'm just not in the mood to debate to be honest. I'm happy to part with my cash, you're not, each to their own etc. :)

[B Dizzle]

Thats Kool and the Gang, baby:)

For anyone wanting to check out PD's GC07 presentation it can be found here.

http://www.jeux-france.com/news21453_gc-video-gran-turismo-5-prologue.html

Just spine-tinglely purdeee.

[Red]

New Scan:
http://i15.tinypic.com/4mj5b3b.jpg
http://img103.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-29680/loc1159/87958_viploader481359_122_1159lo.jpg

[Segitz]

pffft...

Saying things like "GT5P should be free" because it has limited tracks and cars is like saying MS should have been free. I mean, in this regard, GT5P is as big as MS now for half the fekking price! (and GT is GT!! This needs to be said too!)

I hope, we have free choice in what GT TV shows us. The german motorsport shows mostly suck compared to Top Gear or Fifth Gear (I am talking about that DSF crap and so on)

[curryking1]

***k the cars in this game, they look tooooo good.

[GTAce]

YES Daytona with and without infield!
2 more scans here but i think you must be registred to watch them. http://www.gtrp.de/forums/showpost.php?p=1006892&postcount=795

Tried to save them but didnt worked....

EDIT: Kudos to MikePoint from GTRP.

[curryking1]

Oh, I didn't see that. Ya what the? Daytona in the game too now, I like how they're adding all sorts of tracks from everywhere it seems, wicked. I guess it's good now with the 16 cars at once XD

[Leedogg]

Daytona heck yea!!!! I'm hoping for the superspeedway version more than the road course version. Bump drafting on GT5P FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way, my favorite track on GT IV was the oval test track, throttle down all the way around!!

[GTAce]

Hehe ya ol NASCAR fanboy. ;)

But i agree it was fun with the drafting.
Cant wait to race on Daytona, its a great speedway and the infield will be perfect for sportscar races.

[Passive]

new footage (http://download.gamevideos.com/14868/gv.com.TGSGT5GP_640x360.wmv)

[Passive]

GT5 Prologue Japan release date announced
Posted on September 19th, 2007 at 23:31 EDT
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, prequel to the highly anticipated Gran Turismo 5, has finally gotten a solid release date...in Japan.

Both the GT5 Prologue disc and network distribution will be available on 13th December. When the title will be seen on European and American shores is yet to be revealed, but if the launch is similar to that of Gran Turismo HD, you won't have too long to wait.

No news has yet been revealed on pricing in any of the territories (the €45 rumor turned out to be a farce).

Be sure to keep checking PSU for more TGS 2007 updates.


Source (http://www.psu.com/GT5-Prologue-Japan-release-date-announced-News--a0001372-p0.php)

[Segitz]

I'll be leaving for the IAA any minute now. My camera is up and charged for you pleasure :D

Hopefully I see nice nice stuff there :D

[Passive]

New shots

http://i10.tinypic.com/4tk72wz.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/67g7lf6.jpg
http://i17.tinypic.com/67nsghg.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/4u0xd2h.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/4q6uh46.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/4msli4m.jpg

at least they look new to me O.o and hella nice

[Passive]

TGS Trailer. (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25140.html) fucking :drool:

[Passive]

more gorgeous screens (http://au.media.ps3.ign.com/media/949/949777/imgs_1.html)

[PS3LikeNoOther]

Wow!! EA should be embaressed by how bad their version of daytona looks compared to this. I think it would be a wise move for NASCAR to move their copyrights over to Polyphony, and the same with F1. No company can even come within 25% of the quality of their games in the sim racing world. This is going to be the best game on the PS3 and I can't wait for it to be in my hands.

[GTAce]

Official site updated http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/

[Passive]

nice thanks GTAce :)

rep




EDIT: mmm october 20 :D not that far away

[NickSCFC]

What button is for accelerate? X or R2?

[GTAce]

Its GT you can cusomize the controls. 8)

[NickSCFC]

Which is default though, what are people using on the TGS demo?

I think then I played Motorstorm in a shop it las L2 brake, R2 accelerate. Are these the controls for all the other driving games on PS3?

[GTAce]

No idea but default should be X and the right stick (right stick ftw...).
But i bet with you if you want it on R2 you can put it there.

[Passive]

x is defult on GTHD for me. so i presume its the same.

[GTAce]

I think then I played Motorstorm in a shop it las L2 brake, R2 accelerate. Are these the controls for all the other driving games on PS3?

No and im glad that its not lol.

[satriales]

TGS Trailer. (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25140.html) fucking :drool:
I was just listening to Moon Over the Castle on the way home from college, nice to see GT using it again :)

[Passive]

satriales. a word of caution :P if anyone asks what your avatar is from. dont tell them

there are members here who dont want to be spoiled of certain games and threads.

lol just some advice.

[VG Aficionado]

Goddamn it, my adblock is supposed to get rid of pictures containing *mgs* in the filename :(

[Passive]

Im thinking there should be a ban on all new MGS avatars XD for the sake of VG :cowboy:

[BruceWayneIII]

Man, those screens look more like somebody's Maya 3D portfolio than an actual game. I'm floored :drool:

[curryking1]

Please......

Please.... look at the mirrors....................... :O

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070920/gt12.jpg

Liek.... are you mother ***king kidding me!

[masteratt]

New HUD is haaaaaawt.

[GTAce]

FOOOK look how good you can read teh intruments!!!!11

Hwo need a HUD in this case?

EDIT: What the source from this awesome pic btw?

[VG Aficionado]

=-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o

[Nameless]

The interior view is fucking amazing!
All we need is damage, day/night cycles & weather and it's game over for any other driving title period...

[GTAce]

Ahh the pic is from watch impress.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070920/gt.htm some 1080p hotness in there!
:wank: :wank: :wank: :wank: :wank:

[curryking1]

:O So many pikkies! So pretty!

[Sephiroth_VII]

I was just listening to Moon Over the Castle on the way home from college, nice to see GT using it again :)


Satriales... DAMN YOU!!!

:cry2:

[curryking1]

New HUD is haaaaaawt.

Definitely! I totally missed out on that, they got cool transparent border things, looks sex!

Not sure if this was posted, but here's a new trailer on Gran Turismo's official site (http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/d1190.html).

[GTAce]

Yeah it was almost posted by me from the official site and Passive posted another version but never mind, the most importand thing is that nobody will miss it.

The trailer sucks, almost everything is old BUT "short version" so ther will be another one soon.

EDIT: Meh saw that the long version isnt something new either. 8(

[Cyrus]

LOL @ VG's reply. :D

Yeah, it does look pretty fuckin crazy although it was kinda obvious that was going to happen when Polyphony gets to code for the PS3.. :D

[GTAce]

The "Race" video was on the official site but Poly tooked it down (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/949/949777/vids_1.html)

WE NEED AN INSIDER!

[BruceWayneIII]

^ Downloading... :hugegrin:

[yoshaw]

^Who da man? You da man!

[GTAce]

^Who da man? You da man!

QFT!

Cant wait oh man cant watch it with sound must wait till tomorrow. 8((((
Please guys tell me how it sounds, the F430 wasnt bad in a vid i saw, but the quality fom the vid wasnt that good (posted that here was a GC vid).

[Segitz]

Guess who was also present at the IAA in Frankfurt alongside with me :D

Sony with GT5P :P And I had a (very little) sexy time with this game. Not bad not bad, although I was so tired (we found the "bus" on accident as we were going to get some fresh air outside) that I was only able to "merely" get first in a 16 men race :P


I will post 3 or so pics tomorrow, I am too tired to do it now. Didn't take many photos of GT (but I supposedly saw Sega Rallye Revo too, mounted inside a completely suspended Honda, which shoock the whole chasis :D Pretty neat (took a small video).

Cu tomorrow then, I am off to bed, a 20hrs day with a myriade of kilometers to walk and drive is not good for me

[GTAce]

Cant wait! :thumbl:

[NickSCFC]

(but I supposedly saw Sega Rallye Revo too, mounted inside a completely suspended Honda, which shoock the whole chasis :D Pretty neat (took a small video).

Arcade version?

[jaxmkii]

The interior view is fucking amazing!
All we need is damage, day/night cycles & weather and it's game over for any other driving title period...
i know we are getting that much

[yankeefan06]

I can not wait for this game to come out. I'll invest a lot of time and energy into this game. I got about 95% through career mode on Gran Turismo 3. Damn, I wish I still had GT3.

[BruceWayneIII]

IGN Gran Turismo TGS Race HD:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4KNHKD8A

[GTAce]

:worthy:

[BruceWayneIII]

^ Haha

[Raijin]

bruce, sorry to bother you but i was wondering if you could upload the 640x360 version please?

[BruceWayneIII]

*cough* could you repeat that?

[Insane Metal]

I can´t download anything from MU.

Could any good friend upload it to www.rapidshare.com please? :)

[GTAce]

No, rapidshares 100 MB limit is to small.

[Insane Metal]

No, rapidshares 100 MB limit is to small.

Sh*t :(

Whats the file size?

[GTAce]

119 MB.

Would filefront work for ya?

[Insane Metal]

119 MB.

Would filefront work for ya?

Yes!!! :D

Thanks dude!

[GTAce]

Will update this post when its done (ca. in 55-60 minutes).

[Insane Metal]

Will update this post when its done (ca. in 55-60 minutes).

Ok, thanks a lot!

+rep done ;)

[cliffbo]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070920/gt02.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070920/gt11.jpg

[Epix]

Hate to say it but if everything goes where it's headed I'll probably end up skipping GT5.

[GTAce]

Link already posted but yeah.... this pic is almost pervert.

EDIt: Why Epix?
And dont forget its Prologue. The real GT5 will come late 2008 or 2009.

[cliffbo]

look at that... JUST look at it!!!!!!!!

[Epix]

EDIt: Why Epix?
And dont forget its Prologue. The real GT5 will come late 2008 or 2009.It just seems like TOO much of the same. The same looking tracks, the same looking roads, signs, grass, ect. Don't get me wrong, the cars look AMAZING but it's just not enough to justify paying for. I need something new and fresh gameplay wise. Maybe it's just the screeching tire sound starting to wear on me since it's identical to every GT game before it.

Hopefully, and I mean hopefully, GTAce is right and this is just GT5:Prologue and the "real" GT5 has some MAJOR tricks up it's sleeve (ie. damage). Because the way it stands now games like Burnout: Paradise seem much deeper and fresher gameplay wise.

[cliffbo]

It just seems like TOO much of the same. The same looking tracks, the same looking roads, signs, grass, ect. Don't get me wrong, the cars look AMAZING but it's just not enough to justify paying for. I need something new and fresh gameplay wise. Maybe it's just the screeching tire sound starting to wear on me since it's identical to every GT game before it.

Hopefully, and I mean hopefully, GTAce is right and this is just GT5:Prologue and the "real" GT5 has some MAJOR tricks up it's sleeve (ie. damage). Because the way it stands now games like Burnout: Paradise seem much deeper and fresher gameplay wise.

they have said that damage could come as an upgrade

[Epix]

they have said that damage could come as an upgradeDamage is really just the tip of the iceberg and a suggestion since it's the most obvious thing lacking. I have a deeper fear the PD are slowly sinking into the EA mindset and basically just giving us roster updates and a few more polys.

I hope PD makes me a believer since I've enjoyed every GT game so far (albeit less and less each time).

[GTAce]

I would say wait and see.
It gets new "professionell" physics and the AI doesnt seem to be bad.
Online mode for up to 16 players with some cool features.
GT.TV and HOME compabillities.... for a game with "Prologue" in the game pretty much when you ask me. ;)

But i know what you mean.

[BruceWayneIII]

IGN Insider "Cars and more cars" video:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NZRBS0E8

[GTAce]

Isnt that just the Type C video from the official site? :look:

[GTAce]

Okay decided to make a new post:
For all where Bruce megaupload doesnt work, (http://files.filefront.com/tgs+gt5p02+wmvhdwmv/;8603612;/fileinfo.html)

[BruceWayneIII]

^thanks, I appreciate a little help. Everytime I post a video there are requests for a different website - which is understandable.

Is everyone okay with FileFront instead?

[Insane Metal]

^thanks, I appreciate a little help. Everytime I post a video there are requests for a different website - which is understandable.

Is everyone okay with FileFront instead?

Well.... it actually is not ok right now... my downloads usually come at 200kbps, but this one is varying from 20 to 100kbps =/

But better than not being able to download ^^

[GTAce]

Maybe the servers are a bit slow because there are many new TGS vids now?^^

[Nameless]

The TGS video is gangsta...
The game just looks incredible and the menu layout is very slick and elegant.
I can't say enough about the cockpit view; can only imagine playing with my Logitech force feeback wheel... :drool:

[GTAce]

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv09-2007-gamefront/gran5-38.jpg
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv09-2007-gamefront/gran5-39.jpg
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv09-2007-gamefront/gran5-40.jpg

Got them from gamefront.de

Look at the timeline pic, there are 3 undefined points (E³ ,TGS, TMS 2008?).

EDIT:

[Segitz]

I am uploading my whole pic collection now to flickr (not all, too much data, as you can only upload 100MB per month :D). I will be done in due time...

The GT5 and (not sure) Sega Rallye video will go up here as attachments/youtube video.

If interested, I will post my flickr pics as soon as they are up!

[GTAce]

Nice Segitz! :thumbl:

Cant wait for you flickr stuff.

[yoshaw]

Is everyone okay with FileFront instead?

Hell Jea!!!

[Segitz]

Photos from the IAA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13925718@N07/)

These are not all yet, but I didn't want to resize and that way crap all over the quality :D

Next batch will arrive soon!

[masteratt]

Haha, it took me about a second to realise they are real and not from GT5.

[GTAce]

Hawt!

Maybe you should post it in the garage forum too. :thumbl:

EDIT: :lol: @masteratt

[VG Aficionado]

Haha, it took me about a second to realise they are real and not from GT5.:laugh:

[the boney king of nowhere.]

"the drive of your life"

that's peugeot's thing.

[GTAce]

New Video with Daytona :thumbl: (http://www.gamersyde.com/leech_4665_en.html)

[curryking1]

Great vid! The awesome mirror reflections are in this one! They weren't in another video and I was worried lol.

Too bad everyone who has to play in the gameplay vids must suck so much... :(

[VG Aficionado]

Great vid! The awesome mirror reflections are in this one! They weren't in another video and I was worried lol.

Too bad everyone who has to play in the gameplay vids must suck so much... :(That's what always sucks with these amateur gameplay videos. And the gaming press isn't usually much better at it, despite the fact that they should be "professional" gamers.

[GTAce]

Amazing new trailer with first scene from the new London City track (bad quality). (http://www.gamespot.com/video/942026/6179462/gran-turismo-5-prologue-official-trailer-4)

And some more vids (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/granturismo5prologue/media.html)

=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o

Sorry but this trailer was awesome as hell imho.

[Segitz]

That's what always sucks with these amateur gameplay videos. And the gaming press isn't usually much better at it, despite the fact that they should be "professional" gamers.

Man, and I didn't have a real video camera with me (the lighting outside made taking videos with my digital camera impossible). I won my first race at GT5P in Suzuka against 15 other cars (AI, MUCH more aggressive than in 3 and 4!!).


Although there's still some stuff bugging me. There were fences in the back of the tracks which flickered very much (texture aliasing iirc). The rest however looked great. Sadly, the racing seats were all taken (with wheels, I had to drive with the Sixaxis no rumble).

I cannot say much more, I didn't have access to the menus (was restricted, I was even watched while playing :D these bastards in suits always roam around you while at conventions :D next time I need to get a press invite again, didn't work out this year sadly).

The game looks good (cannot say great yet, I was very tired so my "view" was degraded :P) and plays well, and the AI got better. The cockpit view is great and doesn't disturb while playing (in Dirt, it restricts your view too much).

More to come, I am tired now

[curryking1]

That's what always sucks with these amateur gameplay videos. And the gaming press isn't usually much better at it, despite the fact that they should be "professional" gamers.

I disagree that they should be professional MLG guys or competitive for prizes kind of players... But I'm sure what you meant was professional as they've been around games all the time, and I totally agree!

All I'm thinking is that I want to at least imagine that they've held a freaking controller or driving wheel in their hands a few times! Crazy!

The guy couldn't even get the car to go straight, how bad can one's hand eye coordination be not to be able to get it straight if you've been around games for any extended period of time? Unless it's a personal issue that one can't do that, I can't understand how one can be that bad! Crazy!

[VG Aficionado]

Hehe, yeah. You have to wonder how come some people like videogames when they're totally unable to use a controller, to learn a couple combos, to do simple puzzles, to finish a storyline, etc.

[GTAce]

Gamespy hands-on (http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/gran-turismo-5-prologue/822034p1.html)

www.gamefront.de summary:
+ Wie man angenommen hat, ist das Spiel atemberaubend.

+ The game is like expected, breathtaking

+ Es gibt eine sehr 'coole'-GTTV Funktion, in der gefahrene Rennen betrachtet werden können.

+ There is a really cool GT.TV function where you can watch driven races

+ Das Spiel hat große Unterstützung von Autoherstellern.

+ The game has a big support from car manufactors

+ In GT5: Prologue gibt es ein Fahrzeug, das erst später vom Hersteller enthüllt wird, was man eine tolle Idee findet.

+ In GT5P is a car which will be revealed later from the manufactor, they think its a good idea (im pretty sure they mean the "FUKUMEN GT-R")

+ Gamespy kann sich nicht helfen, aber jedes Mal, wenn man das Spiel sieht, ist man schlichtweg überwältigt.

+ Gamespy is everytime when they see the game completly blown away

+ Die GTTV-Funktion könnte für Auto-Enthusiasten sehr interessant sein.

+ The GT.TV function could be very interesting for car enthusiasts

+ Es wurde versichert, dass es später herunterladbare Inhalte geben wird.

+ It was confirmed that the game will get downloadable content later

+ Später soll es z.B. auch Erweiterungen für Echtzeit-Schadensmodelle und Echtzeit-Wettereffekte geben.

+ They said there will be for example add-ons for realtime damage and weathereffects later

+ Die Redakteure hätten den ganzen Tag mit Serien-Erfinder Yamauchi über Autos und Rennen reden können.

+ The editors had the whole day to talk with Kazunori Yamauchi about cars and races

+ Das Spiel sieht aus, als wäre es auf dem richtigen Weg.

+ The game looks like its on the right way

+ Die Prologue Version ist eine gute Idee.

+ The Prologue version is a good idea

- Es könnte sein, dass Spieler die GTTV-Funktion als Grund ansehen, Werbung ins Spiel einzubauen.

- It could be that gamer see the GT.TV function as a reason to build in advertisement in the game

- Leider ist es noch nicht das komplette Gran Turismo 5.

- Unfortunatly its not the complete Gran Turismo 5 (lol what a reason)

Btw. i hope you guys watch the new trailer posted in my previous post. :-p
Its the best GT5P trailer imo.

[jaxmkii]

One thig thats going to be realy cool about the daytona track is seeing how many production cars can actualy get better lap time than so called "stock" cars.

LOL as my road legal audi R8 destroys NASCARS best time with the AC on than passes an emissions test.

[GD|eNSo]

I doubt it, but jsut throwing this in here. With the re-implementation of having the ability to use the PSP as a rear-view mirror (F1) any chance of seeing something similar for GT. It'd would be awesome if it can be used as a mirror, 2nd camera, or even better, a live diagnostic tool!

[VG Aficionado]

I'm finding GT5P a lot more appealing than I originally thought it would be. I'd definitely consider getting the downloadable version.

[B Dizzle]

I notice a lot of aliaising when looking at other cars through the cockpit. The track textures have a certain flatness, a lack of something I cant put my finger on, very similar to the new Wipeout.

Maybe its that particular track but it looks sterile next to the Eiger Nordwand.

[curryking1]

^It's the particular track. Even in GT3 and 4 you could see the warps in the roads and terrain where there actually is such warping. One example is on the straight away of Cirque de something where it's really apparent (wow I forgot the name).

[Shogun042]

i read DAMAGE?

now for a damage add on, are they talking bout GT5P or GT5? i know that in a Kotaku interview the creator of the game said GT5 would have it for the first time.

[GTAce]

^It's the particular track. Even in GT3 and 4 you could see the warps in the roads and terrain where there actually is such warping. One example is on the straight away of Cirque de something where it's really apparent (wow I forgot the name).
Curcuit de la Sarthe (Bugatti Raceway LeMans)?
i read DAMAGE?

now for a damage add on, are they talking bout GT5P or GT5? i know that in a Kotaku interview the creator of the game said GT5 would have it for the first time.

Yamauchi said a while ago IF they can implement damage they will do it in Prologue. Same with weather.

[Dralor]

One thig thats going to be realy cool about the daytona track is seeing how many production cars can actualy get better lap time than so called "stock" cars.

LOL as my road legal audi R8 destroys NASCARS best time with the AC on than passes an emissions test.

Restrictor plates are an evil evil thing as far as speed goes. Better for safety but the cars went faster in the late 80's and early 90's then they do now.

[Killing Moon]

Looks nice.
We'll see about everything else.

[GTAce]

Daytona in-game with a TVR Speed Six (including Cockpit and some GT style crashes lol) (http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/gran-turismo-5-prologue-video-44146.html)
Thanks to Poly from GTRP.

Yeah KM the physic sucks, and it looks stupid and there is no improvement over previous GTs and Polyphony sucks.

EDIT:
Lotus Elise @ Suzuka (http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/gran-turismo-5-prologue-video-42400.html)
Renault Clio Sport V6 @ Suzuka (http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/gran-turismo-5-prologue-video-42399.htmll)

EDIT2: Lol the two Suzuka vids are from the GC, havent seen them.^^

[yoshaw]

Thanks GTAce, keep rolling in the videos. Luvin' it :drool:

Yeah KM the physic sucks, and it looks stupid and there is no improvement over previous GTs and Polyphony sucks.


:lol: I know what you did there. haha

[Shogun042]

dang i was hoping the car would crash and i'd see some damage modeling.

[GTAce]

Thats what i mean with GT style. :laugh:

Sorry man.^^

[satriales]

I'm not looking forward to the inevitable Daytona Endurance Races. Driving round in a circle gets boring fast :look:
(Probably stick with B-Spec for that track if possible)

Yamauchi said a while ago IF they can implement damage they will do it in Prologue. Same with weather.

I think those are big enough features that they'd want to save them for GT5. They'll want to make GT5 a significant improvement over prologue to convince prologue owners to buy GT5, damage and weather are the sort of features that'll do that.

[GTAce]

I think so too but he said he wants to make it in Prologue. 8\

I am actually very skeptical with the damage, but im pretty sure that we will see weather.
Just imagine how the rain will look when you drive in the cockpit view. :drool:

EDIT: Link not needed anymore because curry quoted me. 8)

[curryking1]

Daytona in-game with a TVR Speed Six (including Cockpit and some GT style crashes lol) (http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/gran-turismo-5-prologue-video-44146.html)
Thanks to Poly from GTRP.

Yeah KM the physic sucks, and it looks stupid and there is no improvement over previous GTs and Polyphony sucks.

EDIT:
Lotus Elise @ Suzuka (http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/gran-turismo-5-prologue-video-44146.html)
Renault Clio Sport V6 @ Suzuka (http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/gran-turismo-5-prologue-video-44146.html)

EDIT2: Lol the two Suzuka vids are from the GC, havent seen them.^^

Ahhh that's my vintage GT if I ever saw it XD

And LOL!

[GTAce]

Oops the links in currys quote arent correct.
Just noticed that, i fixed it.

Now they are correct, just go to the post instead of clicking them in the quote. :wave:

[jaxmkii]

damage (at least performance altering damage) weather and day/night chages are a must for endurance racing. 95% of endurance racing is dealing with the changing conditions. 24 hours of the perfict noonday sun is borring.

[VonGak]

damage (at least performance altering damage) weather and day/night chages are a must for endurance racing. 95% of endurance racing is dealing with the changing conditions. 24 hours of the perfict noonday sun is borring.

But most damage in 24h races like Le Mans isn't from collision.

I mean that's the whole point of endurance races, having cars which can withstand fatigue damage. There's actually very little race and the winners usually are the most consistent pilots who can read the condition of the car.

[GTAce]

In the GT5P demonstration is a bit in-game (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=1694521#post1694521)

Nothing special though.

[Killing Moon]

But most damage in 24h races like Le Mans isn't from collision.

I mean that's the whole point of endurance races, having cars which can withstand fatigue damage. There's actually very little race and the winners usually are the most consistent pilots who can read the condition of the car.

Maybe so, but progressive damage is still a necessity (beyond tire wear and loss of fuel). Crash damage is simply a standard part of the package.

[Leedogg]

Restrictor plates are an evil evil thing as far as speed goes. Better for safety but the cars went faster in the late 80's and early 90's then they do now.

Offtopic: I remember a few years ago, when Rusty Wallace was still racing, Nextel had a no-restrictor plate test at Talladega with just Rusty's car. He was running lap speeds averaging 225 MPH. If they would of had other cars with him, speeds would of been 240+ MPH easily with the draft.

Ontopic: I am crossing my fingers that they put a unlockable "stock car" in GT5P or even GT5. That would be awesome to drive it around Daytona in GT5. Because even TOCA 3 had stock cars in it.

[satriales]

It looks like Top Gear has been confirmed for GT.TV :)

http://i22.tinypic.com/mt2vwp.gif
http://i22.tinypic.com/hsuucw.jpg

[cliffbo]

It looks like Top Gear has been confirmed for GT.TV :)

http://i22.tinypic.com/mt2vwp.gif
http://i22.tinypic.com/hsuucw.jpg

now that is interesting!

[GTAce]

WOHOO great!

I hope i can see it here from Germany.
Always loved Top Gear.^^

[Segitz]

WOHOO great!

I hope i can see it here from Germany.
Always loved Top Gear.^^

Ya me too, especially the Winter Olympics episode from (last?) winter :D

The german pendants just suck balls compared to it. I mean, they lack everything. I once met the host of that DSF show (forgot its name :D) when they reviewed the Porsche 911 GT1 (they were in my hometown that time, as I live just beside the Porsche Test Track in Weissach). It just was... meh :D (In that show, you could see us driving behind the crew :D, very cool)

Please Sony, don't regionalize this stuff!!!

[GTAce]

Mmmm i think D-Motor on DMAX is good.
They use the same camera filters btw.

5th Gear is an awesome show too, damn brittish people, with those fookin great TV shows (YES im jealous!!!11).

EDIT: The DSF one WAS called Motorvision (now DSF-Motor) and the moderator Wolfgang Rother (or do you mean Maximilian Engert?).

[Epix]

This game does look great....

http://www.gamersyde.com/gallery_6514_en.html#

[GTAce]

No new shots. 8(
Never mind, its just great (reppage).
The only thing i dont understand is, why are no people on the seats from Daytona in those, official press shots (theyre from the official site).

[curryking1]

I like... t3h graficks.. in this game...

http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/6514/1316_0152.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/6514/1316_0153.jpg

Damn.. my images got pwned. They are from the gamersyde stuff in Epix's post, the red NSX front and back pics.

[curryking1]

Sorry to double post as I've been doing that a lot lately by accident lol, sorry about that, but here's a new GT5P video.

http://uk.gamespot.com/video/942026/6179462/gran-turismo-5-prologue-official-trailer-4

Thanks to U_Neekz on TXB.

Omfg at the cars moving so fast and bouncing around on the pavement at the first part showing Daytone... :drool:


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OMFG! CITY LEVEL AT THE END! WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTTTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!! EVERYTHING ELSE LOSES! GT5 WINS!! WINNNARRRR!!!

[GTAce]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1691837&postcount=1102

:-p

EDIT: But i agree with you. lol

[curryking1]

Son of a @#%%@% I can't believe I didn't see that before!

[GTAce]

:lol: At least you have seen it.
One of the best videos this year for me. lol

[Killing Moon]

Sorry to double post as I've been doing that a lot lately by accident lol, sorry about that, but here's a new GT5P video.

http://uk.gamespot.com/video/942026/6179462/gran-turismo-5-prologue-official-trailer-4

Thanks to U_Neekz on TXB.

Omfg at the cars moving so fast and bouncing around on the pavement at the first part showing Daytone... :drool:




.........
Looks nice.

[curryking1]

http://rapidshare.com/files/58052578/169_granturismo5_tgs07_d2_ot_1_hr.mp4.html

I rapidshared the better quality mp4 of it if anyone wants to check it out.

[jaxmkii]

i know this has probly been mentioned a thousand times buy now but do we have an ETA on GT5P?

[Smokey]

is it november?

[jaxmkii]

^that soon?!?

[Smokey]

its this year im pretty sure

[Segitz]

13 December in Japan...

Hopefully, Europe gets it that soon too... I don't want to wait til next year for it!

[VG Aficionado]

TGS 2007: MORE GT5 PROLOGUE DETAILS (http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=614)
26 September

Here’s some new details from the Tokyo Game Show regarding Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, the showcase of what to expect with Gran Turismo 5, available via download on the PlayStation Network and on Blu-ray disc.

30 cars available to race with.

5 tracks – including London City Track and Suzuka. You’ll also be able to race the tracks in reverse, and with “alternate routes”.

16 player online multiplayer

Photo Mode – take screenshots / pictures of in game experiences and save them to your PS3’s hard drive.

Gran Turismo TV – download / watch racing related videos through the PlayStation Network.

My Garage – a personalised feature, complete with your friends list, a chat functionality and game records.

We’ll bring you any more news on the upcoming addition to the GT series as soon as we get it.I thought it was going to have 40 cars, but whatever.

[Sephiroth_VII]

16 player online!!! :cloud9:

[section]

But but Killing Moon says it's shit so it doesn't matter!!1one

[GTAce]

Photo mode! :cloud9:

[Segitz]

GTTV!!!

And London City track... T'is will be a graphics feast for me eyes :D (talk like a pirate day is over :( )

And well, threespeech saying 30 cars... Strange, as most other sites reported 40, but then again, GTDH had 10 (no german cars though, which is a bit hypocritical) as was great (btw, I at at 1.11.9 with the Sixaxis and the tuned Elise!)

[GTAce]

I was on place 12 with the untuned Nissan Skyline again. 1:14.049 or something (with SIXAXIS too).

And GT5P will feature the SL55, TT and the R8 all German cars and all cars i dont like. lol

[section]

When did PD decide to unroll the best times/drifts results hmm what is it now, weekly? I found it rather frustrating to find my 4th best drift result disappear suddenly, ok it's nice to let new people have a place in the spotlight for a moment but I wonder if they even have a sort of hall of fame, the best times in the world?

[GTAce]

GT5: Prologue in March 2008 for outside of Japan

Basically, I've got a 99% percent confirmation for this, so it is true.

We could pretty much expect this, it's a part of tradion for GT games after all
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=96425

Meh....

[VG Aficionado]

That's not official, but it wouldn't be surprising either. GT and delays are almost synonyms.

[GTAce]

Hes from GTPlanet, he said he has a 99% confirmation...

Of course its not official but now im pretty sure... and sad.
At least we still have a demo to come out soon, cant see the Eiger Nordwand course anymore. :cry2:

[B Dizzle]

Once again Sony trying to make Spring the new Christmas:P

[GTAce]

GTHD Crosses Finish Line in Japan (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/823/823490p1.html)
Looks like the U.S. version has a few miles left.
by Daemon Hatfield

September 27, 2007 - Via its Japanese Gran Turismo Website, Sony has announced that Gran Turismo HD Concept will be removed from the PlayStation Network in Japan this weekend. The Site will also stop tracking the game's online rankings at the same time. Gran Turismo HD was apparently meant as a temporary gift to fans in preparation for next month's Gran Turismo 5 Prologue.

For the time being, though, the U.S. version of Gran Turismo HD appears to be safe. When contacted by IGN, a Sony representative said "SCEA has not made any announcements about removing it from the PlayStation Store at this point. We will let you know if anything changes on that front."

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue does not have a U.S. release, yet. Chances are, HD could be taken down right before its launch here, as well.

For me its another indicator that the delay from GT5P is real.
They said earlier that they take down GTHD before GT5P launches and now theyre doing it and in Japan first, i think thats because GT5P will launch in Japan first.

I hope they wont delay the demo here....

[Nameless]

^ If the download is free I guarantee any hardcore GT fans will simply download from the Japan store...

[GTAce]

Free? The demo?
Of course the demo will be and i would make a Japanese account i it get delayed.
I need new GT stuff, i actually dream from the game every night and it makes me sick that i cant play it right now. 8(

EDIT: Reposting the news for new site that no one will miss it:
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=96425

Meh....

For me its another indicator that the delay from GT5P is real.
They said earlier that they take down GTHD before GT5P launches and now theyre doing it and in Japan first, i think thats because GT5P will launch in Japan first.

I hope they wont delay the demo here....

[Segitz]

Why the heck is it sooo hard to release stuff in a timely manner around the world... Especially when it is DLC?

I mean, translating GT should not be the problem. I can do that in a matter of a day ffs! I really hope, they are wrong.

But spring 08 seems like to coincide with the DS3 in Europe and the US... If this is the case, why the fuck did they delay the Pads?? Man, this pisses my off for sure, even if I can get a demo "soon"

[VG Aficionado]

Good point. Sony knows GT will sell controllers and steering wheels; at least they did when they released the Dual Shock on PS1. I bought it with Gran Turismo.

[GTAce]

I watch the first F1 trainings session atm... and they drive on Fuji.... the Fuji that is in GT5P. :cry2:








Okay nvm i agree with you Segitz it sucks. 8(

[Leedogg]

Spring......... Ugh....

[GTAce]

GT5P Cam Gameplay Montage (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25721.html)

[Red]

GT5P Cam Gameplay Montage (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25721.html)

Pwns my balls out of my underwear.
True next gen man.

[masteratt]

They should really fix this hand on wheel thing ASAP.

It gets to me every time :/

[GTAce]

Same vid as .mov from Filefront
(http://files.filefront.com/t+grantursimo5prologue+ca4mov/;8667465;/fileinfo.html)

[FantasyGhost]

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_4782_en.html

[Nasadus]

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_4782_en.html

What's with the mirrors during the segment on the Suzuka circuit? Everything is going super fast. Barring that though, this looks fantastic. Love the cockpit view.

[satriales]

I like the way the camera moves if your using the in-car view and you crash into a wall :dur:

(as seen in this short video (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25721.html))

[curryking1]

I want.. this stupid **s game.... Why.. why do all these awesome games have to come in Spring? Why!?!?!

[VG Aficionado]

Spring? Why everyone has assumed that GT5P will be delayed?

Yeah, well, it might happen given the GT series delay history anyway.

[curryking1]

? Isn't it coming to North America later? I know it's December release or something for Japan and isn't elsewhere supposed to be later?

[VG Aficionado]

It's not official at all. But then again, this is GT.

OMG, 12121 posts.

[Segitz]

It's not official at all. But then again, this is GT.

OMG, 12121 posts.

12,127 to be exact :P

[curryking1]

New video with more crappy GT players. Thanks to Speevy on TXB.

http://www.jeux-france.com/news22035_gran-turismo-5-prologue-en-video.html

[jaxmkii]

it shows that the guys righting reveiws about gt know nothing about cars...

[Segitz]

it shows that the guys righting reveiws about gt know nothing about cars...

Well, knowing stuff about cars != driving...

There are many students in my classes (automotive engineering) that can't drive like shit, yet they are good at engineering... I am something of a mixed big actually :D Jack of all trades, master of none

[VonGak]

Just had to spread this comparison from bouc_emissaire @ NeoGak

http://generationdreamteam.free.fr//imagesjeux/Comparaisons/GTvsrealitysept2007.jpg

[wotter]

Bouc has done it again.
Wow, especially the last one.
+rep VonGak!

[VG Aficionado]

LOL @ reality!

[curryking1]

:lol:

Omg sex...

[masteratt]

Reminds me of the awesomeness of Crysis where I had to look a bit closer to tell which one was real life and which one was the game lol

Awesome stuff but then we already knew it looked photo realistic :)

[El_Indigo]

Hot damn

[curryking1]

LiveinaBox from TXB got these ones.. City level screenies!!

Lot of trailer grabs but...god dam it looks good

http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/6574/1316_0001.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/6574/1316_0004.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/6574/1316_0006.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/6gu52c9.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/6bctwyq.jpg
http://i14.tinypic.com/2m5krd3.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/4kyfgua.gif

[yoshaw]

OMFG, That Audi R8 at the bottom. =-o FOCK!!!

[Shai-Hulud]

ok, so the visuals are stunning... in that department i am more than satisfied. but what about the sounds of the cars and stuff? i really havent got an impression of that yet. anyone have any links to in-game sounds, interviews on the subject etc etc? as far as i am concerned, engine sound is half the experience :D

[GTAce]

Sounds are better but still not good enough.
Theres a direct feed replay on IGN, BruceWayne posted the insider version of it a few pages back.
The F430 is okay but still just typical GT sound.... :cry2:

Pics are awesome but everytime i see "new" pics i could cry.
Just wanna play it, played a bit ToCA RD3 on PC for the last 2 days but it just doesnt give me the feedback like GT.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Dude, the director is a car fanatic, so of course he'll get the sounds right, at least for GT5, if not GT5p. The problem on PS2 was the DVD size, but with blu-ray, he has no excuse for not doing it as good as possible.

Also, lol at the bad, low-res graphics on the right:lol:!!! Looks shitty and dissapointing :(

Oh, wait a minute...

[VonGak]

Not so much DVD space but RAM size. :) Though the sound array was broader in GT4 than GT3 so they are definitely working on it.

Anyway, the sound is recorded straight from the cars so there shouldn't really be an issue unless one prefers HollyWood cars and tires. ^.^

[curryking1]

Man, I started playing GT4 with the volume all the way up... I'm no car guy, but cars sound so ***king intense with super loud volume! It was like a ***king airplane lol! Even just letting the car sit it was so loud, and revving is just like..... :drool:

GT5 and ya, maybe GT5P's, the sound should be ***king intense.

[Leedogg]

Dude, the director is a car fanatic, so of course he'll get the sounds right, at least for GT5, if not GT5p. The problem on PS2 was the DVD size, but with blu-ray, he has no excuse for not doing it as good as possible.

Also, lol at the bad, low-res graphics on the right:lol:!!! Looks shitty and dissapointing :(

Oh, wait a minute...

could you imagine 7.1 uncompressed sound :drool:

[satriales]

I rewatched the most recent PSN trailer again earlier (think it's called GT Promotional Trailer 4) and the part where the cars drive past the camera onto the banked corner of the dayona track has a really awesome car sound. I think it's a Dodge Viper, but the sound really stood out for me. I hope the actual games is like that.

[Segitz]

Reality sounds best :D

I live next to the Porsche Testtrack :P Sounds great when they test Racing Cars up there (not only Porsche, but also Subaru, Renault, Mercedes et al).

But the pics look great!

[satriales]

Reality sounds best :D

I live next to the Porsche Testtrack :P Sounds great when they test Racing Cars up there (not only Porsche, but also Subaru, Renault, Mercedes et al).

But the pics look great!
I live near the Top Gear test track :)

[jaxmkii]

auto trivia contest!
the real AMG 55 in the above picture set has a factory option that the AMG 55 in GT5P is lacking.

what is that option?

[user friendly]

auto trivia contest!
the real AMG 55 in the above picture set has a factory option that the AMG 55 in GT5P is lacking.

what is that option?

My guess is reversing safety sensors, that tell you if you're coming too close to an object?

[BluBoi]

LiveinaBox from TXB got these ones.. City level screenies!!

=-o

Where the hell did those come from? I watched the TGS trailer but definitely didn't see that...

[user friendly]

=-o

Where the hell did those come from? I watched the TGS trailer but definitely didn't see that...

It's right near the end of the trailer.

[BluBoi]

It's right near the end of the trailer.

Really? Gametrailers must have a shortened version. I'll check again though.

Edit: Found it, guess I should of known to check the site indicated in the water mark. I never even knew they released two trailers, it was like stealth pwnage! I'm sold on the Prologue now after seeing that city environment. I didn't even think it would be possible for them to top PGR4's city environments with so much detail focused on the cars (200,000 polys each WTF?!) and 1080p and 60fps and double the amount of cars, but it is Polyphony we're talking about here. What a fool I was to doubt them!

Anyone who downloads and hosts the HD version of the trailer (http://www.gamespot.com/video/942026/6179462/gran-turismo-5-prologue-official-trailer-4) gets a big +REP from me! Or maybe I'm late and it is buried pages back. I'm lost and tired, so anybody who helps me gets a rep lol.

[NeoPlayStation]

Old news.
Sorry.

[NeoPlayStation]

Quiz: GT 5 Vs Reality:
http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/Quizz.html

I got 13 points.

[GTAce]

15. lol
Not that difficult imo.^^

[curryking1]

Woot 15 points!

Some of those were really hard! It took me a while to get a few, you have to look for pics with more like texture to the material, like little imperfections on the car hoods and stuff to find the real one.

That was fun :)

A few screens were not too much to think about because I already recognized them as released screens :P

Number 5 would've been really hard had I not known which was GT5 already. 4 I found the hardest I think. 7, 8 and 9 are relatively hard compared to the others, but pretty ok.

11 is pretty hard too, 12 is absurdly easy.

15, I think that's F1 Championship right?

[masteratt]

11 Points.

BUT

If it wasn't for the fact I saw those screenshots before (and some of them had the "licensed to sony blah blah" print on them lol) I would have gotten much less.

So so so so impressive.

I'm not a graphics whore but if by the time this comes out I have a 1080p TV which I most likely will, I will get this game just for the graphics.
Dun dun dunnnnnn!
This is the first time I ever even care about graphics =-o

[Nameless]

13 points, but I completed the quiz in 2 mins...

[tien69]

I got all 15 points the first time

[Smokey]

my 15yr old daughter got 8/15 lol (dont think i woulda done too much betta)

[flipflop]

15. lol
Not that difficult imo.^^
13 i got. It's the background that gives it away.

[Smokey]

ya i got 13 too

[Sephiroth_VII]

11 points :(

[Segitz]

13 too in 1min^^

Yeah, it is mostly the backgrounds, that gives it away. Some are harder, but there is a distinct difference between "real" lighting and GT. The cars in the photos are mostly less shiny, as they get dirty really fast^^

[VG Aficionado]

15, but that's just because I've been paying attention to GT5 media and amateur screenshots. I bet someone who has never seen GTHD or GT5 would miss half of them.

[Leedogg]

I got 13 points also

[Kartoffelkind]

me too. 13 points, in ca. a minute. great thing, funny^^

[Fillibuster]

14 but that's because it was taking a long time for the images to load and one didn't load completely so I was forced to guess on it...I would have gotten that bastard if I had seen it!

[jako]

I'm ashamed I only got 11 , and thanks to photos I've previously seen it is not less :)

[LiquidEagle]

15 :)

[VG Aficionado]

New interview with Yamauchi (http://games.kikizo.com/features/gt5_kazyamauchi_iv_oct07_p1.asp). Can't quote it right now.

[section]

Seemed to be pretty much more of the same as in every review, 16 players online, they first concentrate on which in their opinion are core components of a racing game (AI, physics, car modeling, 1080P/60FPS), initially no damage/changing weather.

[VG Aficionado]

Yup, but damage and dynamic weather is on their roadmap. Not in GT5P, but possibly in GT5.

[GTAce]

New interview with Yamauchi (http://games.kikizo.com/features/gt5_kazyamauchi_iv_oct07_p1.asp). Can't quote it right now.

Kikizo: One of, or perhaps the only real criticism of Gran Turismo 4, was the lack of accessibility; it was very difficult for many players to get into the game. Is this something you would look to address in Gran Turismo 5?

Yamauchi: One thing is that we now have two levels of driving physics available: Standard is more for the beginners or the novice players; Professional is a further enhanced and more real experience, where even professional drivers can use Gran Turismo as a training tool.
Kikizo: So does Standard mode offer things like braking assist to achieve this more accessible play, or something else?


Yamauchi: Actually braking assist and things of that nature are in other categories you can select; it's more that the core physics design itself is geared towards less experienced players; it picks up on your mistakes, and is more forgiving, whereas Professional is more hardcore; you know, you make a mistake, you will pay for it! To try to explain it more simply, Standard would be closer to the original Gran Turismo, whereas Professional is where we are taking it to these extreme [physics] calculations. You know, a simulator designed for the novice player is not applicable for Michael Schumacher to use, and vice versa. So they are two different things that are included.
Kikizo: Another visually striking aspect is in fact humans - the crew that you see in the pit as they change wheels or just chill out before an event presumably - how do you justify so much effort into this exceptional detail? Is it all real graphics?

Yamauchi: These sequences are rendered realtime rendering in 1080p, and you will notice that the pit area decoration and attire for the pit crew and driver - everything is along the lines of the Ferrari image. Right now, because it's Ferrari, it's red. Red is the colour of the direct link with the image of Ferrari, and that will change depending on which car or manufacturer you have chosen. This area itself will take full advantage of the high dynamic range [lighting] technologies - we have taken the extra step to make sure that the qualities are very high in that area, and we think that this is a unique point.

Kikizo: And all these animations on the humans in the pit crew are all seriously real-time as well?

Yamauchi: Yes. The idea is that, for example this is the pit for the Suzuka circuit in Japan, but we will have a number of other circuits worldwide, for which we want to feature the pit area that is true to each of the respective locations.
Kikizo: Does the AI make mistakes now? Or is there a dynamic element to the AI opposition drivers, now that you have more power with PS3, so that it is more authentic in a race?

Yamauchi: The simple answer to that is yes. But in reality when you design the AI, the most difficult part is to make sure that all of the opponent cars are driving and trying to keep their positions without bumping into each other, or destroying the race. It is actually easier to incorporate, for example, what a driver would do under pressure and things of that nature, but we need the core bit done first, to allow for that. The AI has also been redesigned completely; it had to be; the new AI drives the opponent cars more smoothly throughout the track.
Kikizo: Could you elaborate on how GT5 will be integrated with the Home service for PS3?

Yamauchi: One example would be, you start off in the Home environment, you open a door and discover the Gran Turismo world, you walk in, there's an online dealership - the car is rotating like on a car selection screen. All that past that door is actually GT, but the experience is a lot more seamless. Ideally anyway - that's the ideal scenario, we're still studying this.

Kikizo: There is a rumour that the Home service will come to the PSP in some form. If this were to be the case would you look to replicate this kind of concept on GT Mobile?


Yamauchi: That would be an assumption on top of an assumption! But if that were to happen then yes, that would be the case.

Kikizo: Can you give us an update on how GT Mobile for the PSP is progressing at the moment please?

Yamauchi: Right now we're targeting GT5 for next year, maybe later next year. The PSP will come following that.

Kikizo: OK, but previously I thought you had said it would come before GT5?

Yamauchi: Currently, our objective is to make sure that we have a strong core on PS3, before we go on to PSP.
Kikizo: How important do you think rumble feedback is to the GT experience? Everybody knows that a rumble controller is coming, so is it something that you have already been working on with this in mind?

Yamauchi: Yes, that is correct.
Pointed the most importand things for me out.
The rest is mostly older, but i would read it complete.
Really nice interview.

[Killing Moon]

Yup, but damage and dynamic weather is on their roadmap. Not in GT5P, but possibly in GT5.

SUPPOSEDLY, that is.
And what's ironic is that the main excitement for this game comes in standard features that are more than 5yrs. old.

Even if they DO implement them, which I doubt (but could be wrong), it's a very Johnny-come-lately affair if and when they're completed.

*sigh*
Well, nice interview, anyways.

[flipflop]

SUPPOSEDLY, that is.
And what's ironic is that the main excitement for this game comes in standard features that are more than 5yrs. old.


*sigh*

What the hell are you going on about?. Gran Turismo is the biggest selling racer in gaming history with 45m+ sales. The main excitement for this title comes from it being the king of racers not some new features.

[Killing Moon]

What the hell are you going on about?. Gran Turismo is the biggest selling racer in gaming history with 45m+ sales. The main excitement for this title comes from it being the king of racers not some new features.

Oh, so you're saying that the main selling draw for this game is it's name pedigree? Y'know, devoid of any real new gameplay features.

Ah thanks, I didn't understand after all. Since when did Sony become Nintendo?

[jaxmkii]

^ just ignore killingmoon... the gt dingos ate his baby

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah, don't bother arguing with him and please go on with the thread.

[satriales]

16 cars, online mode and in-car views is enough new stuff for me. Add to that the incredible visuals and all new professional handling mode and I am more than happy with prologue. I can't wait to see what else they add for GT5.

[cliffbo]

Oh, so you're saying that the main selling draw for this game is it's name pedigree? Y'know, devoid of any real new gameplay features.

Ah thanks, I didn't understand after all. Since when did Sony become Nintendo?

Evolve. Or die.

[B Dizzle]

Evolve. Or die.

The fact that you cant see the irony in your statement is fucking hilarious.

roflmfao. :moon:

[cliffbo]

The fact that you cant see the irony in your statement is fucking hilarious.

roflmfao. :moon:

it's what Killing Moon has written below his Avatar

[Nameless]

SUPPOSEDLY, that is.
And what's ironic is that the main excitement for this game comes in standard features that are more than 5yrs. old.

Even if they DO implement them, which I doubt (but could be wrong), it's a very Johnny-come-lately affair if and when they're completed.

*sigh*
Well, nice interview, anyways.

I agree...
PD does not have the best track record regarding "additional features"...
The whole GT4 online mode debacle comes to mind...

[Killing Moon]

16 cars, online mode and in-car views is enough new stuff for me. Add to that the incredible visuals and all new professional handling mode and I am more than happy with prologue. I can't wait to see what else they add for GT5.

Complacency with mediocrity is exactly why the series is within a rut now.
But hey, if you enjoy eating the same crackers over and over again, then I guess that’s cool.


The fact that you cant see the irony in your statement is fucking hilarious.

roflmfao. :moon:
Exactly

I agree...
PD does not have the best track record regarding "additional features"...
The whole GT4 online mode debacle comes to mind...
Well the way I see it, Polyphony, like most Japanese developers, will finally begin to add bare-standard basics every 5-10yrs in an effort to “keep up”. So while everyone has moved on past static AI and damage modeling, it only took PD 10yrs to catch up to last gen standards in this particular regard.

However, whenever Japanese devs are stuck in a rut and don’t know how to advance, they’ll almost always claim a need to, “go back to the basics”. What this seems to mean is that they’re in dire need of attention toward maybe a single gimmicky feature that may be super-polished, while everything else tends to be sub par. Just another form of marketing, but in reality, the IP has more than likely remained unchanged, other than aesthetically (RE4 comes to mind).

GT5, at the moment hasn’t fallen into the latter completely yet. Though it seems that they’re not that far off from it either.

Honestly, I don’t expect Polyphony to evolve the series. That’s like pulling teeth at this point. If your biggest selling points for a title are “features” that’ve made it into countless other games of the same genre 5yrs. ago, then that’s when you should know that you’re in a rut. It’s just that when the fan base has their collective heads shoved up PD’s ass so far that either they can’t see it, or just don’t want to admit it.

Personally, I don’t like the smell of ass-cheese on my forehead, so I’d rather say something before the stench gets worse.

[Nameless]

^ I somewhat agree with your statements, but I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that PD are amazing developers that produced miracles with the PS2 hardware. I think the problem is not a lack of vision or a rut, but just the relentless pursuit of perfection with visuals and car handling physics. I think PD puts ALL of their efforts into these areas resulting in other features being omitted or skimped... The interface for GT5 Pro and the support of 16 car multiplayer is showing that PD has the ability to evolve and actually exceed what others are doing in the racing space, but their tedious approach to visuals and physics may result in car damage & weather cycles never coming to fruition. Also, running 16 cars at night with headlights could be a processing nightmare. To a certain extent I think PD's ambition could hold them back to a certain degree...

[Segitz]

Tbh, stuff like crash damage is not essential to a racing game... I am not defending PD here, bare with me...

I mean, all in all, it is just about the visuals in a racing game, isn't it? Ok, it forces people to drive more fair (use others before the corner to brake^^), but that's about it... I doubt, anybody wants endurance races with damage (one error and you are OUT, even if it is the last lap). I like watching crashes in racing games (and on TV, as long as nobody has lasting injuries) as well as the next guy, but this is not, what the game is about.

Having said this, I am very content about what GT4 evolved compared to GT3. The car selection is HUGE (though, many German car manufactors are left out sadly, although "we" are the cradle of "carkind" after all^^).

The one thing that GT very much needed to evolve is the AI, and I think everybody agress with me here. The AI in all GT games was sucky at best... The AI didn't do any mistakes (only your B-Spec driver^^) and followed the ideal line, no matter what. PD should add driver profiles to AI (like aggressive, degressive and whatnot) to the pot, and make them aware of the surroundings. And make them think ahead... If I cut their path too often, make them take revenge on me (that combined with damage would rock!!), or the friendly driver, which then stays away from me.

As we know, all new GTs will feature online... I wouldn't say I missed it much (I am more of a SP gamer, because then I can choose which tracks, when and where I want to drive, I am not confined into what the host wants to play), although now having online is great.

What I love is the mypage and GTTV. I hope, they really give us great downloads for it! I mean, Top Gear just plainly rocks (sadly, it is not broadcasted in Germany, although I am not sure, if BBC World shows it still, don't watch that channel anymore, at least in 2003 it still was broadcasted).

And 30 to 40€ for such a game is very nice... I mean, I paid more for MS^^

[GTAce]

The AI didn't do any mistakes (only your B-Spec driver^^)
Sorry but this is SO not correct.
In every GT the AI did made mistakes, when the AI couldnt handle a specific car correct on the ideal line.
This (http://xs320.xs.to/xs320/07415/Alfa11.jpg) for example was in the last lap from 3 on LeMans, the front tires from the FTO were so damaged that the AI couldnt control the car anymore in this corner.
The problem is that was a fault because the dumb AI. lol

[cliffbo]

Killing Moon, so a series that has pioneered reality should what exactly? the series is about creating a game that looks real. how can you reinvent reality?

as a dev yourself, what would you add to the game?

[Segitz]

Sorry but this is SO not correct.
In every GT the AI did made mistakes, when the AI couldnt handle a specific car correct on the ideal line.
This (http://xs320.xs.to/xs320/07415/Alfa11.jpg) for example was in the last lap from 3 on LeMans, the front tires from the FTO were so damaged that the AI couldnt control the car anymore in this corner.
The problem is that was a fault because the dumb AI. lol

In the grand total of things, the AI does not do mistakes... Especially in slower races. Usually, the AI also drives VERY VERY slow (and the B-Spec driver is so incompetent that he is too dumb to overtake others). I dunno, I usually can only "make" the AI to do mistakes (i.e. crash into him, then he makes a mistake or such)...

[curryking1]

?

I've seen many times in GT4 in all kinds of races, even the slow ones, where the other cars drift pretty far onto the grass.

[Killing Moon]

^ I somewhat agree with your statements, but I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that PD are amazing developers that produced miracles with the PS2 hardware. I think the problem is not a lack of vision or a rut, but just the relentless pursuit of perfection with visuals and car handling physics. I think PD puts ALL of their efforts into these areas resulting in other features being omitted or skimped... The interface for GT5 Pro and the support of 16 car multiplayer is showing that PD has the ability to evolve and actually exceed what others are doing in the racing space, but their tedious approach to visuals and physics may result in car damage & weather cycles never coming to fruition. Also, running 16 cars at night with headlights could be a processing nightmare. To a certain extent I think PD's ambition could hold them back to a certain degree...

I doubt having online play is an evolution when just about EVERY F’ing game is doing it now. Maybe it is in the most literal sense, but not to any significant degree at all. As a previous analogy I’ve made, it’s like celebrating that your new car has upgraded to air conditioning in the 21st century, when everyone else is implementing GPS’ and hybrid engines.

However you’re right, PD is awesome with graphical visuals and suspension realization—a thousand times noted. Unfortunately, this is where their cap off limit hits and they become stuck rapidly.

Killing Moon, so a series that has pioneered reality should what exactly? the series is about creating a game that looks real. how can you reinvent reality?

as a dev yourself, what would you add to the game?

Far from it; Gran Turismo only LOOKS real, but is so far from reality in many fronts that it’s not even funny. Having realistic suspension and visuals is not enough and never will be; we’re not in Junior High school anymore, y’know.

Oh boy, from a development standpoint hypothetically? Geez, there’s a LONG LIST that I’ve gone through, along with a hundred other automotive gear heads (the people who are the bulk of the sales for this game) would provide. I know I’ve posted a list of would-be upgrades for the series in this thread before, so it may be fruitless to not only do it again, but to have more zealots claim “Ugh, that’s not what Gran Turismo is about” (which of course, is bullshit).

[cliffbo]

yes, but my point is Killing that they pursue that 'reality'. of course there are many things you can do to help fulfill that dream, but a lot of posters seem to be saying that it is the same as the other games. well of course it is! because they have always pursued that 'reality' other than new track and new cars and better AI, there is little else to add... damage would be nice i think, but it has to look real. GT has always been a game for the purist. we can only ask that with every game it improves, and as far as i can see it has.

removed the A lol

[Killing Moon]

yes, but my point is Killing that they pursue that 'reality'. of course there are many things you can do to help fulfill that dream, but a lot of posters seem to be saying that it is the same as the other games. well of course it is! because they have always pursued that 'reality' other than new track and new cars and better AI, there is little else to add... damage would be nice i think, but it has to look real. GT has always been a game for the purist. we can only ask that with every game it improves, and as far as i can see it has.

removed the A lol

"Little else to add" is a BS sentiment unto itself.

Seriously man, all it takes is a sense of imagination to cause something as exciting as racing to become appealing. Be it through gameplay features or even presentation aesthetics. People use the excuse of "reality" as some sort of limitation, when in actuality it's a cop out for a lack of imagination. As the saying goes, "fact is stranger than fiction".

Realization of automotive sports and culture extends far beyond how "real" your car models appear on a 1080p screen. The problem, like with most developers, lays in the lack of creativity within these teams.

With something like a Racing Sim there are WAY too many features and aesthetics to add that could wake up the series. Now are these developers willing to do it, that's another story.

[Red_Eyes]

Sure, they can add in tons and tons of features. Result? Release date equals 2015. Since GT5 is coming in late 2008, they have to prioritize. And right now, AI, physics, and graphics are the most important features. Damage and weather effects are on the bottom of the list. The more features, the more delays.

Would you rather that GT5 prioritize in this order instead: Great car crashes, good weather effects, bad AI, crappy graphics, and 50 cars only? (Car modeling takes a lot of time)

[Killing Moon]

Sure, they can add in tons and tons of features. Result? Release date equals 2015. Since GT5 is coming in late 2008, they have to prioritize. And right now, AI, physics, and graphics are the most important features. Damage and weather effects are on the bottom of the list. The more features, the more delays.

Excuses, excuses.
Two of the most "important" are the same shit from the last game. Only one of the most important may be marginally improved.

Excuses, excuses.

If they spent more time on prioritizing relevant GAMEPLAY improvements from the ground up, instead of paying attention to pretty pictures, then MAYBE they'd be able to have a better milestone pipeline.

No matter how you look at it, spending 5-6 months rendering a single car is fuckin' retarded and a severe waste of resources.

[Red_Eyes]

Excuses, excuses.
Two of the most "important" are the same shit from the last game. Only one of the most important may be marginally improved.

Excuses, excuses.

So? AI is improve. Graphics is largely improve. And physics is improved. They are way more realistic (drifting works correctly and realistically now) and less forgiving. How much of an improvement do you want? An AI that is not artificially and that is actually alive and conscious? Ha!

AI in sequels in other racing games doesn't improve that much either. Games like PGR and Forza. In those games, graphics isn't that good. Car modeling isn't that good. They don't focus as much on car modeling and graphics, so they have the resource to add in features. GT5 is different. People want the graphics. People want the great car modeling. And these things takes time and resources. And takes time and resources away from other features.

Result of the GT5 you want: Tons and tons of customizations and features. BUT: Crappy graphics, unrealistic physics, dumb AI. In fact, it's not even a GT5 game anymore. It's just like another crappy racing game.

[The Dude]

If one thing that drives crazy about the Gran Turismo series is that it does not penalise players for going off course or swapping paint with other drivers.

[Killing Moon]

Which two? AI is different. Graphics is largely improve. And physics are way more realistic (drifting works correctly and realistically now).

Dude, I've played the demo dozens of times.
The physics are marginally improved over GT4 and the visuals are not as relevant as you're making them out to be. Visuals are ALWAYS the first factor to go with a game's age and what always matter in the end is what the game package offers over the last game.
Not in how well tweaked the suspension physics are.
BTW, have you drifted professionally with the cars in this game to know that it's "more realistic"?

[Red_Eyes]

Dude, I've played the demo dozens of times.
The physics are marginally improved over GT4 and the visuals are not as relevant as you're making them out to be. Visuals are ALWAYS the first factor to go with a game's age and what always matter in the end is what the game package offers over the last game.
Not in how well tweaked the suspension physics are.
BTW, have you drifted professionally with the cars in this game to know that it's "more realistic"?
Ha. The demo and the final game are two different things. Way way different things. My brother tried drifting in GTHD and the first thing he noticed is that it didn't drift right. He was complaing about that. I thought he was crazy. I don't dift. BUT, the developers did confirmed that in GTHD, drifting isn't correct. And that has been fixed in GT5:Prologue. A professional Japanese drifter was given the new build to test and prove it. And he drifted exactly like he did in real live and it works exactly like it would in real life. It's in one of those video demo interview with the developers. Don't have the link right now.

But sounds to me like you want a Need For Speed Underground game and not a GT5 game.