EGM August news and rumors

[VG Aficionado]

Stolen from NeoGAF: (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166402)

In this Issue
- Soul Calibur IV cover story.
- Small feature on the 20th anniversary of Final Fantasy.
- Madden '08 vs. All-Pro Footbal 2K8
- Previews: Army of Two, Socom: Confrontation, Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword, Rock Band.

Rumors
- Another Parasite Eve is in the works for an actual console.
- Sony's going to show Epic the money to make UE3 work better on the PS3.
- Kojima Productions is working on another PS3 exclusive.
- Sony will repackage the PS2 to compete with the Wii by including a waggle-wand (their wording, not mine) for $99 this holiday season.
- AC/DC will help promote Rock Band.
- Capcom working on a PS3 exclusive.
- Super Smash Bros. Brawl will use Havok physics.

Coming in the September 2007 Issue
- First look at Halo 3's single-player story (including single-player screenshots).
- Retro Studios talks about MP3: Corruption.
- Lair review.
- Ps3 EyeToy preview (hardware and software).
- A Napoleon Dynamite game?

[cliffbo]

the waggle wand makes sense because the PS2 is what the Wii is competing against. if eyetoy came with every PS2 then the two would have been identical anyway, considering i was playing most of the same games more than two years before the Wii came out. funny that.

[Colin™]

the waggle wand makes sense because the PS2 is what the Wii is competing against.

.....what?

[Epix]

- Sony will repackage the PS2 to compete with the Wii by including a waggle-wand (their wording, not mine) for $99 this holiday season.
Please don't be true.

[yoshaw]

- Kojima Productions is working on another PS3 exclusive.

Yoshaw am ZOhMyGoshBBQ'd!

Could it be ZOE3!!!!?? =-o

- Capcom working on a PS3 exclusive.

=-o

[cliffbo]

.....what?

well surely you don't think the Wii is competing against the 360 and the PS3! Nintendo have said they are New generation, just so that noone thinks they are next generation. the closest console in terms of ability and content is the PS2, so that's the machine Sony will use to compete with the Wii...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The Wii isn't competing with PS2, despite what you want to tell yourself, the Wii is a next gen console.
Nintendo saying it wasn't competing with 360 and PS3 was just them being coy incase the Wii was a huge failure, and Sony and Xbox saynig they aren't competing with the Wii is their way of Saving face in light of the Wii crushing everyone sales-wise. Just...get over your ego and move on. The PS2 is only competing with the next gen consoles in a pure commercial sense, in that you could buy one instead of the others. But as far as classifications go, PS2 is a last gen console with the best life span of those 3 (GCN, Xbox). If any console isn't competing against anyone it's the PS2 because it is a last gen console and it's time in the sun has come and gone. It's just enjoying ancillary sales now in its twilight because it's so damn successful and the next generation wasn't enough to slow down the momentum it had.

The next generation is Wii, PS3 and Xbox. Graphical prowess isn't the indicator of a next gen console, it's the time it's released.

with that said, I hope they don't release a wand for the PS2. Really isn't necessary.

[Colin™]

well surely you don't think the Wii is competing against the 360 and the PS3! Nintendo have said they are New generation, just so that noone thinks they are next generation. the closest console in terms of ability and content is the PS2, so that's the machine Sony will use to compete with the Wii...

wow. I mean, lets completely ignore sales figures.

I'm not even going to bother arguing such things with you. Just search "Viper" in the PS3 forum. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll grace us with his presence.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm hoping to save him the trouble ^^

[Viper]

AC/DC promoting Rock Band is huge.

What happened to the last Parasite Eve game they were making? I thought they were doing a remake of the original. What happened with that?

[cliffbo]

wow. I mean, lets completely ignore sales figures.

I'm not even going to bother arguing such things with you. Just search "Viper" in the PS3 forum. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll grace us with his presence.

LOLOLOLLOLLOL Viper bate! :)

but it's true. xbox dropped out too soon. PS2 is still a contender in the Wii market. 360 will eventually fall behind the PS3. simple

[Shadow Voa]

I'm hoping to save him the trouble ^^

You my good friend did a fine job worthy of Viper himself.

Plus rep for the response to Cliffbo's insanity.

[cliffbo]

The Wii isn't competing with PS2, despite what you want to tell yourself, the Wii is a next gen console.
Nintendo saying it wasn't competing with 360 and PS3 was just them being coy incase the Wii was a huge failure, and Sony and Xbox saynig they aren't competing with the Wii is their way of Saving face in light of the Wii crushing everyone sales-wise. Just...get over your ego and move on. The PS2 is only competing with the next gen consoles in a pure commercial sense, in that you could buy one instead of the others. But as far as classifications go, PS2 is a last gen console with the best life span of those 3 (GCN, Xbox). If any console isn't competing against anyone it's the PS2 because it is a last gen console and it's time in the sun has come and gone. It's just enjoying ancillary sales now in its twilight because it's so damn successful and the next generation wasn't enough to slow down the momentum it had.

The next generation is Wii, PS3 and Xbox. Graphical prowess isn't the indicator of a next gen console, it's the time it's released.

with that said, I hope they don't release a wand for the PS2. Really isn't necessary.

so if it is a Next gen machine why won't Nintendo call it that? they called it New gen for a reason... has it not become clear yet?

Just...get over your ego and move on.

look son, your 21. stop assuming everyone thinks the same as you

[Viper]

so if it is a Next gen machine why won't Nintendo call it that? they called it New gen for a reason... has it not become clear yet?



look son, your 21. stop assuming everyone thinks the same as you

You know, I was really hoping my boy Colin and Lali already made it clear but *sigh* I tried to keep just to the topic here for you guys but duty calls.

Why did they call it new gen and not next gen? Simple, what they did was new. Ta-da. A complete deviation from the continued direction of console successors. Does that make it last gen? Next gen? X gen? Or any other marketing speak?

Plain and simply put for the x number of times, a generation is based on release date and each new successor to a companies flagship product. If all 3 companies lost their fucking marbles and released a new console tomorrow, we'd have a whole new generation.


Let em simplify in human genealogical terms. When mommy spit you out, you became the next generation. If your uncle had a kid 10 years before you were born.....you're still part of that generation.

Capiche?

[cliffbo]

naive. the excuse was as stated by yourself, but the real reason was that they dare not tempt any real comparison. i suppose the 360 was called the 360 because of the reason MS gave LOLLOLOOL. it was to get 3 in the name. xbox2 would have been seen weaker than PS3. Nintendo are clever, very clever and a slick business. they are great with wool and mirrors.

[Viper]

Naive? WTF. I just gave you the definition for generation and you're still denying it. I told you explanation they gave was damn marketing speak. "It's new gen"....so then what else could be considered part of this "new gen"?

[LiquidEagle]

hmm... at least there wasn't another "MGS4 on 360!!1" rumor in there :laugh:

[Viper]

hmm... at least there wasn't another "MGS4 on 360!!1" rumor in there :laugh:

In fact 2 new exclusives for PS3 from good studios and none stated for X360 or Wii at all.

[Colin™]

hahahah, christ.

So I was staring off at my wall and came up with a pretty darn good analogy.

Lets say you have Diet Funky Fresh with Lime. A year later, another company comes out with Diet Ghetto Fabulous with Lime. They may have come out at a different time and probably have a different flavor, but because they are within the same market of "diet soda with lime" they are competing. If someone wants a diet soda with lime, and they pick ghetto fab over funky fresh, that is a potential sale lost. That is competition.

[Coded-Dude]

What about Cucumber Pepsi?
New, Fresh, but probably a Failure........

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.bloggingstocks.com/media/2007/06/pepsicucumberice.jpg

[Viper]

What about Cucumber Pepsi?
New, Fresh, but probably a Failure........

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.bloggingstocks.com/media/2007/06/pepsicucumberice.jpg

Oh god, is that for real?



Hey, would this be Lairs first review?

[cliffbo]

scoff all you want. lol. anyone want to buy my SD TV, it's ideal for last gen gaming :)

there is an obvious answer to this argument. ask yourself. what will Nintendo do with their next machine? answer it honestly and you will see the truth.

but then nintendo fans will argue that it will be a next gen machine, while the Wii was a new gen machine... it's comical to watch.

[Coded-Dude]

Oh god, is that for real?

Hey, would this be Lairs first review?

lol, yes.......Its a Japanese thing.
Every year they try and come out with a new, unique flavor.
This year is cucumber.

[KRA]

cliffbo said that wii is competing with ps2 and the other
debaters sudenlly jump on with WII is NEXT gen.
are you intentional refuse to try understand each other for the sake of another great disscusion ?!

well why next gen console couldn't competite with prev-gen ?!
and ps2 with new kind of hardware could be like ressurected
older brother or cyborg with his brain ? would that make it next generetion ?
he would be born again right ?

ok my english sucks but if you want you will understand i hope :)

after all you already know that (NEXT) GEN is just some stupid press term right ?!
well mostlly thanks to wii :)

[cliffbo]

cliffbo said that wii is competing with ps2 and the other
debaters sudenlly jump on with WII is NEXT gen.
are you intentional refuse to try understand each other for the sake of another great disscusion ?!

well why next gen console couldn't competite with prev-gen ?!
and ps2 with new kind of hardware could be like ressurected
older brother or cyborg with his brain ? would that make it next generetion ?
he would be born again right ?

ok my english sucks but if you want you will understand i hope :)

your english may be bad but you actual understood what i was getting at. Sony are working at this now, It's so obvious!

[Viper]

scoff all you want. lol. anyone want to buy my SD TV, it's ideal for last gen gaming :)

there is an obvious answer to this argument. ask yourself. what will Nintendo do with their next machine? answer it honestly and you will see the truth.

They already said it will be an HD machine. I don't see what the point of your argument is though. Unless you're still one of those that thinks horsepower is somehow the unit of measure for a generation in spite of the actual definition I gave you.


So, uh, Lair...review...will it be the first review?

[Z]

I don't care abbout anything not official- like rumors and what not. so from that list, the only thing grabbing my attention is the Lair review since that indicates the release will be very soon afterwards. looks like Lair is releasing first and then HS.

The next generation is Wii, PS3 and Xbox. Graphical prowess isn't the indicator of a next gen console, it's the time it's released.
to you maybe. for me the 'next generation' is looked as the next step the best of the current generation could do. otherwise, I would call it the 'next product from X company'.

[Viper]

Damn it people, it's not a personal preference as to what designates what system is part of what generation. You guys are debating not me personally but the very definition of the word. Go ahead and tell Merriam Webster they are wring then.

Welcome to the 7th generation of video games. Get over this simple facet of our industry, please.

[cliffbo]

They already said it will be an HD machine. I don't see what the point of your argument is though. Unless you're still one of those that thinks horsepower is somehow the unit of measure for a generation in spite of the actual definition I gave you.


So, uh, Lair...review...will it be the first review?

horsepower is only a small part of the reason the 360 and the PS3 are in a different market. the Wii is selling because it is cheap and devs are making games for it because it is easy to develop for. it's going for the fad market. AND IT WORKS! this is not knocking Nintendo, this is seeing the genius behind their tactics!

[CreativeWriter]

The Wii is a "next gen console" because it's Nintendo's next generation machine. The Wii is not "next gen technology," except for perhaps some clever fabrication processes to shrink/cool the GC hardware. I don't know enough about the Wii's guts to say more.

Ultimately, though, whether the Wii should be considered a competitor or a legacy machine is unimportant. The world (main-stream journalism) has already decided it is next gen, and people are going to compare its sales to 360/PS3 whether or not that's fair to do so. I think we're shouting into a headwind to argue otherwise. But the shouting can be fun, I guess, so carry on.

[KRA]

let's compare DS sales with ps3
anyone ? viper ? :)

[xbdestroya]

Let's put aside the whole Wii: What generation is it?, and get to the topic at hand. If Sony really does release a PS2 w/Wiimote clone, the question is:

a) Will game development among third parties be easily portable across systems?

b) Will this accessory work with the PS3 and be sold separately?

c) Will the PS2/wand gain any mindshare with the consumer base already thinking 'Wii;' will price advantage play a role?

d) Why hasn't Sony promoted the EyeToy in this country the way they should... it is easily the equal of Wii Sports.

[Viper]

it's going for the fad market. AND IT WORKS! this is not knocking Nintendo, this is seeing the genius behind their tactics!

The fad market? So that's what PS2 was last gen? The fad market. So you expect Wii to magically start to disappear into the sunset like a fad? PS2 didn't...in fact it's kicking the hell out of all home console except the Wii right now. Some fad.




So Lair review. First one?

[cliffbo]

Let's put aside the whole Wii: What generation is it?, and get to the topic at hand. If Sony really does release a PS2 w/Wiimote clone, the question is:

a) Will game development among third parties be easily portable across systems?

b) Will this accessory work with the PS3 and be sold separately?

c) Will the PS2/wand gain any mindshare with the consumer base already thinking 'Wii;' will price advantage play a role?

d) Why hasn't Sony promoted the EyeToy in this country the way they should... it is easily the equal of Wii Sports.

that is a good set of questions there. if Sony are going to release a wand controller, then i can't see it being limited to the PS2. there is no guarantee that the PS2 is going to see an upsurge in support because of such a peripheral. they have shifted the demographic of the machine somewhat in the last few months and it will be interesting to see how they realign it to compete with the Wii.

[AC!D]

I have to agree with Clif that the Wii is competing with PS2 at least for a year or 2 more because Wii games are being ported to ps2 and vica versa like Tony hawk downhill Jam and Tomb Raider legend.

Secondly if the ps2 was not around the Wii would have sold probably 20 million units by now just think about it logically.

All Sony have to do to make it official is redesign the PS2 with motion sensing and a bit more power in the gpu and cpu ( Don't even really have to do the latter). I wouldn't be suprised if Sony aren't planning to release PS2 Mach3.
I also would not be suprised if Ninendo are waiting for the HD wars to end with a clear winner before releasing their next gen machine which could be sooner than we think.

[KRA]

if this is true they should relase the wand controler for ps3.
so it would be like.
what for buy wii ?!
if you can buy ps3. it is more expensive.
but it is like blu-ray player + wii (with better graphics) + ps3 :)
you buy one thing you have everything.

[Leedogg]

Let's put aside the whole Wii: What generation is it?, and get to the topic at hand. If Sony really does release a PS2 w/Wiimote clone, the question is:

a) Will game development among third parties be easily portable across systems?

b) Will this accessory work with the PS3 and be sold separately?

c) Will the PS2/wand gain any mindshare with the consumer base already thinking 'Wii;' will price advantage play a role?

d) Why hasn't Sony promoted the EyeToy in this country the way they should... it is easily the equal of Wii Sports.

another question is: Will the wand extend the life of the system? (Competing with the Wii past 2010) Also, will developers support the wand? Remember, what happened with the PS2 HDD.

[Viper]

if this is true they should relase the wand controler for ps3.
so it would be like.
what for buy wii ?!
if you can buy ps3. it is more expensive.
but it is like blu-ray player + wii (with better graphics) + ps3 :)
you buy one thing you have everything.

Even if that were the case, software makes a big selling point too. Would Sony reallocate as much resources into the Wii styled games as Nintendo already does? If not then they'll simply have another poorly supported peripheral like Eye Toy was.

Another factor is development cost. Development on PS3 is simply more expensive than Wii so will devs want to make that kind of risky investment?

[cliffbo]

I have to agree with Clif that the Wii is competing with PS2 at least for a year or 2 more because Wii games are being ported to ps2 and vica versa like Tony hawk downhill Jam and Tomb Raider legend.

Secondly if the ps2 was not around the Wii would have sold probably 20 million units by now just think about it logically.

All Sony have to do to make it official is redesign the PS2 with motion sensing and a bit more power in the gpu and cpu ( Don't even really have to do the latter). I wouldn't be suprised if Sony aren't planning to release PS2 Mach3.
I also would not be suprised if Ninendo are waiting for the HD wars to end with a clear winner before releasing their next gen machine which could be sooner than we think.

ye as i see it they are three huge companies playing chess. what Sony are attempting to do and i believe have accomplished is split the market into three. Divide and conquer. clearly we have the 360/PS3 battle, then the PS2/Wii battle and the PSP/DS battle. Wii will do well until HD TVs begin to accelerate in sales and people begin to refocus their eyes and raise their expectations. the thing that Nintendo have succeeded in doing has a negative effect on their business long term. they have made a new generation of gamers accept last gen graphics as next gen games. that is great for the PS2. it's going to be very interesting in the next two years

[dnpmakkah]

Wii is selling like hotcakes and Sony needs to take some steam away from it from a business perspective, which I don't think the PS3 can do that....since the PS3 is aimed at a different type of gamer. So I think it would be a great idea for Sony to implement this 'wand' with the PS2 if the costs aren't that big of a risk.

I mean if EA creates Madden 09 for Wii then easily port the game over to the PS2 with bascially the same controls for a cheaper price then that 'could' slow down the Wii sales. I don't see this as a bad thing. It's a risk but not bigger than the risk we now call PS3.

[KRA]

Even if that were the case, software makes a big selling point too. Would Sony reallocate as much resources into the Wii styled games as Nintendo already does? If not then they'll simply have another poorly supported peripheral like Eye Toy was.

Another factor is development cost. Development on PS3 is simply more expensive than Wii so will devs want to make that kind of risky investment?

1. sony has more resources than microsoft and nintendo combined.
2. eye toy wasn't poorly supported it was just experiment for a real new eyetoy :)
you understand that it wasn't actually perfect piece of hardware.
3. development on ps3 wii-like games wouldn't be that more expensive if not less :)

[The Dude]

A generation is measured in time spans marked by birth of new products, that does not nessecairly imply progress of any kind. Those that think the PS2, PS3, 360, Wii, DS, PSP and GBA are not in direct competition with each other are idiots, they are all after the amount of money you spend on entertainment. Only the narrow minded look at it as PS3 vs 360. PS2 vs Wii. DS vs PSP, and so on.

[KRA]

A generation is measured in time spans, that does not nessecairly imply progress of any kind. Those that think the PS2, PS3, 360, Wii, DS, PSP and GBA are not in direct competition with each other are idiots, they are all after the amount of money you spend on entertainment. Only the narrow minded look at it as PS3 vs 360. PS2 vs Wii. DS vs PSP, and so on.

scrabble vs wii :)

do you really have to writte the shit about narrow minds ?!
you could tell what you want without it.
you know i could write that it makes you not so smart.
but what for ?!

[yoshaw]

Let's put aside the whole Wii: What generation is it?, and get to the topic at hand. If Sony really does release a PS2 w/Wiimote clone, the question is:

a) Will game development among third parties be easily portable across systems?

b) Will this accessory work with the PS3 and be sold separately?

c) Will the PS2/wand gain any mindshare with the consumer base already thinking 'Wii;' will price advantage play a role?

d) Why hasn't Sony promoted the EyeToy in this country the way they should... it is easily the equal of Wii Sports.

Hi Xb,
miss u around mate. Allow me to share my views on yer questions.

a) I'd wanna believe that Sony making such a move is exactly to lure Wii developers into making PS2 games that were previously Wii only. And wouldn't be too off the track to think Sony doing some software magic for developers to make it all easy

b) With Sixaxis, already working as a motion sensor device, I wouldn't think they'd want another choice for developers to have when even now Sixaxis is competing to gain any mind-share among developers/consumers. Such a move would confuse them further.

c) $99 with a wand , almost same graphics as Wii(or close), library of hits. Yea, it could take a lot of mind share and dollar chunk away from Nintendo if it clicks the right buttons. Only time will tell.

d) Expensive peripheral maybe? No matter how interesting the tech or usability. It does come down to price. I mean that's exactly why PS3 is struggling in the market. A peripheral with zero AAA games to back up. Novelty at best, so any marketing push behind such a product could had been considered waste. Or maybe the higher ups at Sony just thought it was a silly thing. Until now that is.




So Lair review. First one?

Yes, yes, this should be their(Lair's) first ever review unless someone on the intraweb beats EGM.



another question is: Will the wand extend the life of the system? (Competing with the Wii past 2010) Also, will developers support the wand? Remember, what happened with the PS2 HDD.

+rep! That is a very good question and obviously worth the debate IMO.

As much as I'd want to subjectively induce my point over how this will compete with Wii for eons to come. I'd leave this post at whatever the market is to be with a want-ps2 product, it sure as hell could mark either disaster or full-on versus Wii battle at Sony.

[Siraris]

That makes a ton of sense. Although who still needs to buy a PS2? They should really just focus on the EYETOY. Everyone is going to say "OK, this is like the Wii but better? SIGN ME UP!"

[warmachine]

- Capcom working on a PS3 exclusive.

/Translate:

- Capcom working on a PS3 exclusive which then will become a timed exclusive multi platform game and finally be released first on X360

So don't get your hopes up too high...

Sad, but true... -_-

[VG Aficionado]

:lol:

...

:ohno:

It's no secret that Capcom is working on a Monster Hunter title for PS3. However, since online gameplay is an important part of it and you've all seen how much love Capcom has given to Sony lately...

[yoshaw]

/Translate:

- Capcom working on a PS3 exclusive which then will become a timed exclusive multi platform game and finally be released first on X360

So don't get your hopes up too high...

Sad, but true... -_-

Ouch, that felt like a bitter truth. And I think VG's on the mark with the Monster Hunter game. I expect it to be exclusive in Japan only. Which is a shame capcom :moon:

Show some love to PS3 buyers dangit !

[the poe collector]

I hope AC/DC is really supporting Rock Band.

That's all.

[Coded-Dude]

:wtf:

[Segitz]

WHAT THE FSCK, why does every other thread have to degenerate into a system war?

The original post by VGA (thx mate) said nothing about the Wii at all (and I dont even think that this rumors holds ANY credence).

The interesting stuff in here is somewhere else (especially since this is the PS3 part of the forum ffs)

1) Koji Pro working on second unnamed PS3 exclusive....

hm, what would that be? Zone of the Enders 3 (BluRay would be a big bet for it being exclusive for the system, as ZoE2 was very fmv cutscene heavy) would be a safe bet... But, there was talk about that strange Zombie game back in Australia. Or it could be Snatcher (man, that would be MORE than great! It would blow my freakin mind!). But maybe EGM blows everything out of proportion and they just plan to release MG 1 and 2 on PSN.

2) Capcom releasing an exclusive PS3 game? What known, not announced, still alive franchises do they have? I cant tell really, the big hits already were announced not to be exclusive (RE, DMC, SF2 etc...). What is there in store for us? A major Mega Man (not dlc)? Or Dino Crisis, Final Fight or something completely different?

[TEEDA]

mhmm Konami's second exclusive project ?
maybe castelvania or suikoden, or yeah I want my ZOE 3 !!!!! Dammit !

[KRA]

WHAT THE FSCK, why does every other thread have to degenerate into a system war?

The original post by VGA (thx mate) said nothing about the Wii at all (and I dont even think that this rumors holds ANY credence).

The interesting stuff in here is somewhere else (especially since this is the PS3 part of the forum ffs)

1) Koji Pro working on second unnamed PS3 exclusive....

hm, what would that be? Zone of the Enders 3 (BluRay would be a big bet for it being exclusive for the system, as ZoE2 was very fmv cutscene heavy) would be a safe bet... But, there was talk about that strange Zombie game back in Australia. Or it could be Snatcher (man, that would be MORE than great! It would blow my freakin mind!). But maybe EGM blows everything out of proportion and they just plan to release MG 1 and 2 on PSN.

2) Capcom releasing an exclusive PS3 game? What known, not announced, still alive franchises do they have? I cant tell really, the big hits already were announced not to be exclusive (RE, DMC, SF2 etc...). What is there in store for us? A major Mega Man (not dlc)? Or Dino Crisis, Final Fight or something completely different?

1) it is zoe3
2) who cares as mentioned earlier it will end on xbox360 first :)

[Viper]

Ouch, that felt like a bitter truth. And I think VG's on the mark with the Monster Hunter game. I expect it to be exclusive in Japan only. Which is a shame capcom :moon:

Show some love to PS3 buyers dangit !

Are the PSP MH games out in the US yet?

[VG Aficionado]

The first one has been available worldwide for a long time now. I have no idea about the second one, but most of their popularity has to reside in Japan anyway.

[Coded-Dude]

Wasn't the last but of info from Kojima regarding a NEW IP exclusive to PS3?
(or was he referring to doing NEW IP on 360?) :shrug:
I don't remember....

[edoshin]

Well I skipped over some of the replies, but I think a Sony Waggle to introduce Wii type play functionality is an awesome idea. I've always felt that PS2 was more a "family" console than GC ever was because of its awesome library. PS2 may not take it to the next level like Wii can, but I can certainly understand that there is simply a HUGE userbase to tap for some simple "family time" games. Its a fantastic way for devs to cash in on a large userbase with some simple to produce games that are fun for a pick me up.

[Viper]

I read he has something in the works for all 3 but only works on one game at a time. I don't know what order he wants to do them in but I'd guess the X360 or Wii would be next since a PS3 game is already nearing completion.

[LiquidEagle]

Or it could be Snatcher (man, that would be MORE than great! It would blow my freakin mind!).

Hey! 2 birds with one stone! KojiPro (Konami) working with Suda51 (Capcom) on something related Snatcher! That makes some sense to me since there are rumors about both companies prepping PS3 exclusives... maybe it's the same game? Even though that means one less title to be potentially excited about, a new Snatcher would be too badass to resist!

[Viper]

Which company is producing Snatcher? Given that Snatcher is already known about it's not likely to be it. I think it's two separate and unknown games.

[OmniCloud]

Nice rumors, except for the PS2 wand one. PSEye is where it's at...

[TheGreenElf]

the waggle wand makes sense because the PS2 is what the Wii is competing against. if eyetoy came with every PS2 then the two would have been identical anyway, considering i was playing most of the same games more than two years before the Wii came out. funny that.

Maybe some mini-games are similar, but that's as deep as it goes. You can't get games like SSX Blur (for example) to play using the EyeToy.

[Viper]

Maybe some mini-games are similar, but that's as deep as it goes. You can't get games like SSX Blur (for example) to play using the EyeToy.

Ack, don't tell them that. They'll say you're ugly and your momma dresses you funny. :XD:

[TheGreenElf]

Ack, don't tell them that. They'll say you're ugly and your momma dresses you funny. :XD:

:( lol...Viper you never cease to crack me up.

[Nameless]

Honestly I don't think the PS2 wand is such a bad idea if handled properly...
The PS2 still has a lot of gas in the tank if you look at some of the AAA late entry titles like GOW2. If Sony can produce a wand that functions similar to the Wii mote Sony could convince titles developed for the Wii to be ported to the PS2. *How could publishers pass up 100 million potential customers.* If Sony can move quickly enough the PS2 wand could convince some potential Wii consumers to stick with the PS2 or purchase one of the other next-gen consoles. Also it will be interesting to see if the PS2 wand is backward compatible with the PS3... Historically these peripherals fail miserably, but Sony really has nothing to lose with this gamble and plenty to gain. I don't see why this potential move is being viewed so negatively...

[Applefiend]

And there's stuff you can do with an eyetoy you can't do with a Wiimote as an input device, for instance blue screen effects, mapping a real swords movements into games, having more than one player with only one eyetoy, unlike Wii where you have to have one for each player,mapping faces into games etc etc...

You could make a game like Wii health club, only it keeps track of your figure and tells you how thin you're getting from your outline, and still counting your movements. Try that with a Wiimote.

I have no opinion about your looks or dress sense, sorry. :) I just don't think the Wiimote is the holy grail. Not sure Dan Brown will be writing his next book about it.

[LiquidEagle]

Maybe some mini-games are similar, but that's as deep as it goes. You can't get games like SSX Blur (for example) to play using the EyeToy.

Well... well... WE GOT THIS!!! :laugh:

[edoshin]

Maybe some mini-games are similar, but that's as deep as it goes. You can't get games like SSX Blur (for example) to play using the EyeToy.

I actually thought Anti-Grav handled such a game fairly well.

[Voidler]

melons?

[Red_Eyes]

- Another Parasite Eve is in the works for an actual console.
Finally. People were disappointed after finding out that Parasite Eve 3 is a mobile phone game. Will this be Parasite Eve 4 or a side story?

[masteratt]

- Capcom working on a PS3 exclusive.
Dead Rising 2 PS3 exclusive because they couldn't fit it on a DVD :p

Seriously, I'm really excited though.
Capcom has been the most interesting dev this gen so far.

- Sony's going to show Epic the money to make UE3 work better on the PS3.
How ironic that because of their close minded approach, Microsoft's best friends are now siding with Sony lol

- Lair review.
Going to be a mediocre score.

Great stuff, and EGM is highly respected in regards to rumour right?

[Segitz]

Going to be a mediocre score.

Great stuff, and EGM is highly respected in regards to rumour right?

No, hell no. EGM were the ones who "started" the MGS4 on 360 rumor without any source to back it up whatsoever. Same goes for the FFVII being remade rumor.


I hope, Lair gets ok scores (something like 7 or so)

[masonite]

woah...acca dacca promoting rock band? thats a big one, intersting to see if that actually comes true or not...

another game from kojima productions will be interesting, i'd like to see what direction they go in after becoming synonymous with tactical espionage action.


and what would be the point of a napoleon dynamite game? actually, what was the point of the movie!?

[LiquidEagle]

KojiPro aren't totally synonymous with Tactical Espionage Action, they're just the best at it by far :-p They're also the best at making mech games with Zone of the Enders (2 especially) ;)

Snatcher & Policenauts (mainly Snatcher since the latter never even made it outside Japan) also have their followings and their own strengths and Snatcher was sweet as hell.

Anyhoo, EGM's rumors are not reliable. I'd say they have about a 10% success rate, if that :laugh:

[masonite]

KojiPro aren't totally synonymous with Tactical Espionage Action, they're just the best at it by far :-p They're also the best at making mech games with Zone of the Enders (2 especially) ;)

Snatcher & Policenauts (mainly Snatcher since the latter never even made it outside Japan) also have their followings and their own strengths and Snatcher was sweet as hell.

Anyhoo, EGM's rumors are not reliable. I'd say they have about a 10% success rate, if that :laugh:

Ah, true, poorly written on my part. should have said best known for tactical espionage action :)

they do own the genre though too...i don't think anything else comes close.

[KRA]

Ack, don't tell them that. They'll say you're ugly and your momma dresses you funny. :XD:

well wait i will get my pitchfork and we will kill THEM all.
but first lets make every thread here discussion
that seperate US from THEM :)

[masonite]

I have no opinion about your looks or dress sense, sorry. :) I just don't think the Wiimote is the holy grail. Not sure Dan Brown will be writing his next book about it.

i don't know... most of his books so far have been about over-hyped subject matter that people get defensive about...wiimote sounds like a perfect fit ;)

[yoshaw]

well wait i will get my pitchfork and we will kill THEM all.
but first lets make every thread here discussion
that seperate US from THEM :)

For someone with yay high english skills. You got pretty scathing remarks there. LOL

All for the good I assume. Keep it toned though. We're all friends here, remember. :)

[Theo]

You know, I was really hoping my boy Colin and Lali already made it clear but *sigh* I tried to keep just to the topic here for you guys but duty calls.

Why did they call it new gen and not next gen? Simple, what they did was new. Ta-da. A complete deviation from the continued direction of console successors. Does that make it last gen? Next gen? X gen? Or any other marketing speak?

Plain and simply put for the x number of times, a generation is based on release date and each new successor to a companies flagship product. If all 3 companies lost their fucking marbles and released a new console tomorrow, we'd have a whole new generation.


Let em simplify in human genealogical terms. When mommy spit you out, you became the next generation. If your uncle had a kid 10 years before you were born.....you're still part of that generation.

Capiche?


Is this officially how a "next generation" is defined, based on release dates? Maybe it is as it makes sense in a reasonable way, but to me it is not that simple. The improvement over the previous generation plays a role as well IMO, especially when we are talking about electronic prodoucts and even more so when it comes to consoles and PCs, etc. as they tend to improve quickly. No one can't deny the fact that Nintendo could have made the wii more improved over the GC than what it is. The same goes for Sony and MS as well obviously, but they did put way more effort to it in my books with Xbox 360 and PS3 (blu-ray, hd-dvd, garphics, hd-resolutions and so on). So I would not say wii defines what next (current) gen is about, even if it falls under that category, only it being left in the shadow improvement wise. I will leave that to PS3 and Xbox 360 and of course to the quickly improving world of PCs.

I want to say that I also think that ps2 is the console that is hurting the wii sales the most for the simple combination of price (mostly), graphical differnce and the success and momentum the ps2 enjoyed.

BTW didn't we talk many times before that wii is aimed for a different gamers than the other two, and many could easilly buy a xbox360/wii or ps3/wii combo as wii is so different? I believe there's truth to that. The thing is, wii is not hurting the ps3 nor the xbox360 as much as the sale figures might tell you. One wii sold most definately does not necessarily = one less ps3 or xbox360 sold ;).

[frosty]

I can somewhat agree, generations are defined differently based on what they are describing. For instance, Microsoft could come out of the woodwork and release a disc format that holds 50GB per disc. Would that disc be considered next gen? Of course not, not if the ones before it already had the same capabilities. Now of course Wii has a capability no others before it had (it's controller), but it's a very small step in the grand scale of things.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

My thinking is, once you take it beyond cold hard dates (of course the technology is going to be improved IN SOME WAY over last generation or the public will reject it outright) and classifications, it all becomes subjective, based on the opinions and ideals of specific gamers (as we're seeing here) so trying to group generations aside from the logical successors from one console to another is silly and will get us no where. It's not really about what you feel like. It's just a system of grouping.

The 5th generation iPod isn't leaps and bounds above a 4th generation iPod, but it is different and in certain ways more sophisticated. It is the next generation iPod in respect to the last one, because it is the next step in the iPod lineage. Period.

[cliffbo]

Well... well... WE GOT THIS!!! :laugh:

glad you found that! that was exactly what i thought!

[Domination]

Let's put aside the whole Wii: What generation is it?, and get to the topic at hand. If Sony really does release a PS2 w/Wiimote clone, the question is:

a) Will game development among third parties be easily portable across systems?

b) Will this accessory work with the PS3 and be sold separately?

c) Will the PS2/wand gain any mindshare with the consumer base already thinking 'Wii;' will price advantage play a role?

d) Why hasn't Sony promoted the EyeToy in this country the way they should... it is easily the equal of Wii Sports.

I don't think it needs to since the Sixaxis + PlayStation Eye is the next step beyond this, but I'm sure a firmware upgrade could easily allow this.

But it makes perfectly good sense, though; the PS2 obviously has the larger install base to take such a risk, it's just as capable techically, the cost to produce these sorta titles are pretty much equal, the cost is right for consumers to easily purchase the platform, and by making such titles a multi-platform will have a greater return than if they were to remain exclusive to a single platform.

It's a very interesting concept.

[Shadow19]

Sony: PS2 Motion Controller Not Happening

In response to the Electronic Gaming Monthly rumor that Sony is prepping a Wii-like controller for PlayStation 2 to be released this holiday, Sony has sent Game|Life the following statement:

This rumor is absolutely not true. There are currently no plans to add motion-sensing capability to the PlayStation 2 controller.

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/06/sony-ps2-motion.html

[VG Aficionado]

Who said they were going to add motion sensing capabilities to the Dual Shock anyway? :-p

[Domination]

:spit:

They responded to the rumor pretty quick. But I must admit, the concept of it is rather interesting, but I thought the author gave some pretty good reasons, too.

[Viper]

That and they're not going to let a bomb like that drop prior to E3 from some rumor section in a magazine.

[Trailblazer]

- Sony will repackage the PS2 to compete with the Wii by including a waggle-wand (their wording, not mine) for $99 this holiday season.

Let assume this is true for a moment. Would this Waggle wand be backwards compatible with the PS3? would this be a way for Sony to sneak and Wii-mote like device for the PS3 through the back door without taking too much heat for "Stealing"? :shrug:

[Viper]

Let assume this is true for a moment. Would this Waggle wand be backwards compatible with the PS3? would this be a way for Sony to sneak and Wii-mote like device for the PS3 through the back door without taking too much heat for "Stealing"? :shrug:

We've already touched on this and there are pro's and con's for each.

No matter what they'd get labeled for stealing the idea. That is unavoidable from media and fans alike.

It's doubtful they'd rig it for PS3 since as stated they already have some basic motion control in the DS3 and with PSEye they'll expand upon that.

[Domination]

With the PS3, the Sixaxis & PSeye will likely take these types of games to the online store. That way developers can take as many risks as they want without having to worry about the cost or the return. From there can they determine whether to launch them as a hard copy. I think it's the most comprehensive strategy Sony had been banking on to combat the competition.

[KRA]

Let assume this is true for a moment. Would this Waggle wand be backwards compatible with the PS3? would this be a way for Sony to sneak and Wii-mote like device for the PS3 through the back door without taking too much heat for "Stealing"? :shrug:

stealing :)
isn't nintendo drop catriges to cds ?
is it stealing from sony :) ?

[Viper]

stealing :)
isn't nintendo drop catriges to cds ?
is it stealing from sony :) ?

Sony stole the idea from Sega who stole if from Philips if you want to go that route.

Actually, Nintendo never used CD's at all.

[tuskeninja]

Sony stole the idea from Sega who stole if from Philips if you want to go that route.

Actually, Nintendo never used CD's at all.

Actually, sony originally designed a cd drive for nintendo during the snes days, but they backed out of the deal.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

please let's not have the sony playstation/nintendo playstation history lesson AGAIN.

[Fats]

Sony stole that idea from Sega? First I've heard of it...

[Viper]

I'm familiar with that. Then they attached Philips to the project. Neither ever saw a release. Prior to that though, Sega had a CD add and even before that, NEC added a CD drive to their Turbografx-16 making them the first to us it.

Here is the order of implementation of CD:

NEC Tubografx-16 - Add on
Sega Genesis (or Mega Drive) - Add on
NEC Turbo Duo - Standard
Philips CD-1 - Standard
3DO - Standard
Amiga CD - Standard
Neo Geo CD - Standard
Sega Saturn - Standard
Sony PlayStation - Standard

No system after used CD as the standard medium.

:)

[masonite]

I'm familiar with that. Then they attached Philips to the project. Neither ever saw a release. Prior to that though, Sega had a CD add and even before that, NEC added a CD drive to their Turbografx-16 making them the first to us it.

Here is the order of implementation of CD:

NEC Tubografx-16 - Add on
Sega Genesis (or Mega Drive) - Add on
NEC Turbo Duo - Standard
Philips CD-1 - Standard
3DO - Standard
Amiga CD - Standard
Neo Geo CD - Standard
Sega Saturn - Standard
Sony PlayStation - Standard

No system after used CD as the standard medium.

:)



i think its fair to see that any attempt to label one company for "stealing" an idea from another inevitably leads to reductio ad absurdum. so why do people even bother any more!?

[Viper]

Only if the idea is very new does the stealing label get thrown around. Like motion sensing in the form that we see it today. Since it was never a standard method of input until Nintendo announced, many people felt Sony was stealing the idea of putting motion sensing as standard in the PS3. So in essence the label gets used only when someone copies something innovative from someone else recently. And even then it's all debatable and supposition.

Similar to the D-pad. Nintendo patented it. This is why the d-pad on the PS systems looks and is designed slightly different. Nintendo could have sued anyone using a d-pad including Sony but now that it's such an industry standard, that opportunity is gone and it's no longer an idea taken from the originator as it's simply what everyone uses and has used for decades.

[Segitz]

I dunno, but wouldnt it be possible for the PSEye to capture the movement of the LEDs on the Sixaxis like the Wiimote does the other way round with its "led bar"?

I dont think, that this would make much sense (no pointing device and afaik the only reason the Wii has this, is for its pointing device, the rest of the games usually only use the motion sensors essentielly like the PS3 does, so I dont get the "the Wiimote is soo much more refined stuff", only does it have 2 controllers instead of one) though. (and no, I dont want one to argue with me about my above sentence, this is only my view on the Wiimote/Sixaxis difference)


I want a new Snatcher from Kojima!!


To be completely true I quote

The TurboGrafx-16 was the first video game console in North America to have a CD-ROM peripheral (following the pioneering spirit of the PC-Engine CD-ROM add-on in Japan, although the FM Towns Marty was the first console to have a built-in CD-ROM

So the FM Towns was the first to use CDROM.

But it doesnt stop there. Dragons Lair (Laserdisc) was the first game to use an optical disc as its medium, this was in 1983!

[Viper]

Seg, we have plenty of other threads with some good debate about that if you want to look it up.

[masonite]

Only if the idea is very new does the stealing label get thrown around. Like motion sensing in the form that we see it today. Since it was never a standard method of input until Nintendo announced, many people felt Sony was stealing the idea of putting motion sensing as standard in the PS3. So in essence the label gets used only when someone copies something innovative from someone else recently. And even then it's all debatable and supposition.

Similar to the D-pad. Nintendo patented it. This is why the d-pad on the PS systems looks and is designed slightly different. Nintendo could have sued anyone using a d-pad including Sony but now that it's such an industry standard, that opportunity is gone and it's no longer an idea taken from the originator as it's simply what everyone uses and has used for decades.

nintendo were the first to use the D-pad? no device before it used one? i knew nintendo were there extremely early, and that they patented it, but didn't know they were the first.


the stealing label only gets used when it occurs recently, but even then its usually inappropriate. the motion example is probably the best one - its known that the two solution differ widely in their function, as well as in their implementation - if one company stole it from the other, there'd be court cases flying everywhere, considering how marketable it is (as we can see from sales). it more or less follows that if one company spent a lot of time to come up with their solution, it probably would have taken the other company a similar amount of time to come up with theirs... anyone arguing that sony stole it from nintendo doesn't really have a leg to stand on, because once the argument is considered logically, the possibility disappears.

[Viper]

N used the d-pad before anyone else. Gunpei Yokoi of Nintendo created it (Along with the Gameboy). There were other more privative arrow type direction input devices for computer systems and the like but nothing had an actual d-pad like implementation until then.

[masonite]

N used the d-pad before anyone else. Gunpei Yokoi of Nintendo created it (Along with the Gameboy). There were other more privative arrow type direction input devices for computer systems and the like but nothing had an actual d-pad like implementation until then.

ah, cheers, thanks for that! and thats the reason for the different designs on sony, sega, and microsoft products since then.

[Viper]

ah, cheers, thanks for that! and thats the reason for the different designs on sony, sega, and microsoft products since then.

Yep. Same with shoulder buttons though to a lesser degree.


Fact is it honestly only takes 3 variations to a patent to be able to legally recreate the same/similar product and this industry and many other do that very well. So while the ideas and their use may be copied, it's rare the actual method of design or construction is the same.

[Old_Timer!]

source: http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=4808
SoulCalibur IV to be online-enabled
Jun 26, 2007 @ 10:21am
Summary:
Calibur fans, fret not: the next entry in the fabled series will feature online play.

Full Text:

By Brian Sullivan

These days, if a game is multiplayer-enabled, it usually means online play. In fact, many games skip split-screen functionality and only include network play. Amazingly enough, online fighters are a bit of a rarity. Recently, we've seen Dead or Alive 4 and retro re-releases with online capabilities, but meanwhile, the flagship fighters like SoulCalibur and Virtual Fighter remain strictly offline.

That is, of course, until SoulCalibur IV is released next year. The latest issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly confirms that the next game in the series will be online capable on both PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

"What's changed this time round is that the next-gen platforms have network infrastructure already in place," says SoulCalibur IV drector Katsutoshi Sasaki. "We've heard from fans that they really want the game to be online, so we figured that, with the current environment, we really couldn't make SC4 without online play."

If the developers at Namco Bandai succeed, SoulCalibur IV's network infrastructure will allow fast-paced action without the lag issues that plague some other online-enabled brawlers.

Sasaki also mentioned that character customization from SoulCalibur III will be back for the sequel and that customizable characters will be available during online play. The team is unsure, however, whether or not to allow trading of customized characters.
I hope this means Tekken 6 as well, especially since Tekken:DR is online as well.

[masonite]

Yep. Same with shoulder buttons though to a lesser degree.


Fact is it honestly only takes 3 variations to a patent to be able to legally recreate the same/similar product and this industry and many other do that very well. So while the ideas and their use may be copied, it's rare the actual method of design or construction is the same.

not to mention the fact that a few years ago the patent system was changed so that "ideas" could be patented. i recall a person patenting the wheel to prove the flaws of the system...

the question must also be asked though, how similar is an idea before its considered the same?

[Viper]

I think the 3 variation rule I mentioned is all that applies at least in a legal sense. I don't know the full details of it though but just changing a few specific mechanics from one patent and you can patent that new deviation.

As you mentioned with the patenting an idea, now that puts a strangle hold on things even if the differences in design are far greater than just 3 variations.

To be honest, the whole system is fucked up bad.

[masonite]

I think the 3 variation rule I mentioned is all that applies at least in a legal sense. I don't know the full details of it though but just changing a few specific mechanics from one patent and you can patent that new deviation.

As you mentioned with the patenting an idea, now that puts a strangle hold on things even if the differences in design are far greater than just 3 variations.

To be honest, the whole system is fucked up bad.

hehe, yeh, reverse engineering will never go away...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

"We've heard from fans that they really want the game to be online, so we figured that, with the current environment, we really couldn't make SC4 without online play."


Lest they be sacrificed to the heathen fanboy gods themselves.

[Domination]

I dunno, but wouldnt it be possible for the PSEye to capture the movement of the LEDs on the Sixaxis like the Wiimote does the other way round with its "led bar"?

I dont think, that this would make much sense (no pointing device and afaik the only reason the Wii has this, is for its pointing device, the rest of the games usually only use the motion sensors essentielly like the PS3 does, so I dont get the "the Wiimote is soo much more refined stuff", only does it have 2 controllers instead of one) though. (and no, I dont want one to argue with me about my above sentence, this is only my view on the Wiimote/Sixaxis difference)

I already covered this awhile back: Interview with Big Papa of Eyetoy Dr. Rich Marks (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1511286&postcount=39)

Possible isn't the question, but rather, which game will be the first to use it after PSeye is launched. ;)