Shock Axis detail REVEALED?

[Sypher]

In this month section of PSM in France, there have been details that have been released in reference to the new ps3 controller. None of this has been confirmed by Sony but these details came from PSM.


Technical details :
- the gyroscopic functions can cohabit with the vibrations. The explanation? The speed to which a player can move the lever is quite lower at the speed of the vibrations.
- the engine of vibration could be inclu in the lever without having to modify the form of it. There is enough place for the new engine, and this one, concus by Immersion, are lighter for an obstruction equivalent.
- One indeed has to expect a reduction in the autonomy of Sixaxis. Nevertheless, the new engine of vibration does not consume more than the old models (Dualshock) in spite of the fact that it is more powerful.
- the new engine is less expensive to build, and a possible rise in price of the pad should be only very light.
- With an update of the firmware, we will be able to have the vibrations for plays PS2

Details on the “Touchsense” :

New technology, named “Touchsense” is a mini-revolution. Indeed, from now on, the vibrations will not emanate solely any more from the handles of the pad (as on Dualshock) but will be perceptible in various places of the lever. It as should be specified as they will be more powerful, more intense and over short periods if the programmers wish it. Thus, the developers will be able to create a multitude of still new effects. If Sony chooses this technology, it will thus not act of a simple return of the vibrations, but well of a very new technology

Some examples :

- This technology will be able to reproduce the fast jolt and forces caused by a shot,
- Immersion promises that one will be able to feel the asperities of the road in the plays of race (like Dirt), but also small shocks related on the shiftings of speed and even to accelerations or decelerations.

http://gamers-creed.com/?p=142

[BruceWayneIII]

Thanks!

Could be great - and if not, I'll live with that also.

[VG Aficionado]

Nice, but there's no evidence... yet ;)

[cliffbo]

i believe it. VG give us that count down for E3!

[GTShotoKen]

Why does this news turn me on....http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/clipart/uh.gif

[VG Aficionado]

Your wish is my command (http://media.ign.com/e3/cdu/e3_cdu.swf) :) Less than two weeks left!

[Leedogg]

by the way, vibration already works with a ps2 controller connected to the ps3 via a usb adaptor

[B Dizzle]

oh, happy days

[Jay Gee]

Man, I hope I don't have class the day of E3. I wanna be right here in my room, downloading EVERYTHING PS3 related in gorgeous hi-definition.:DDD

[Z]

a lot of 'posters' get excited before E3. the problem is, they don't realize that in 13 days everybody will see for themselves. but then, these guys can just brush it off as an 'inaccurate rumor'...

[LiquidEagle]

by the way, vibration already works with a ps2 controller connected to the ps3 via a usb adaptor

They're talking about vibration working on one of the new PS3 controllers while playing PS2 games.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

bump.

[Applefiend]

Wish they'd stop saying sixaxis has gyroscopes, makes it sound like it was designed by Leonardo Da vinci.

[Segitz]

Wish they'd stop saying sixaxis has gyroscopes, makes it sound like it was designed by Leonardo Da vinci.

And a gyroscope is something completely different than a G-Sensor, which is built into the SixaxiS and Wiimote (afaik they both use the exact same sensor).

[F089/H]

This news seems pretty cool..Hope they update old games for this kind of stuff. But, I just turn Vibration off usually because I have no spare batteries laying around.

[Passive]

im going to be killed for this but i dont think rumble is all that awesome :P its certainly a distraction in fighting games lol. the only genre id say its remotely useful if fps. yes they put it on GOW as a puzzle helper (i think) ut still no big deal for me.

btw key word in my post is me lol this is just my opinion on rumble lol

[Smokey]

im going to be killed for this but i dont think rumble is all that awesome :P its certainly a distraction in fighting games lol. the only genre id say its remotely useful if fps. yes they put it on GOW as a puzzle helper (i think) ut still no big deal for me.

btw key word in my post is me lol this is just my opinion on rumble lol

and ME

[hevymac]

Hey!! My bro and I too!!

[LiquidEagle]

Psychonauts also used it to find a certain item, but there was also an on-screen indicator.

MGS is the only reason I want rumble to come back :laugh:

[VG Aficionado]

MGS is the only reason I want rumble to come back :laugh:Agreed.

Funny how nobody complains about the lack of rumble anymore. I only see someone missing it from time to time in some boards, and even 360 users don't keep bragging on how much better their games are because of it.

To be honest, I forget about it until someone makes threads like this. If the sixaxis ends up getting the good ol' dual shock rumble, fine, but don't expect me to jump in joy because of it or even actually use it all the time. Now, if it gets some advanced rumble features or even some kind of force feedback from the Immersion deal, I might be interested.

[NickSCFC]

I miss it in driving games, Motorstorm would've been amazing with it. Hope the feature comes back is MS2.

[Red_Eyes]

Agreed.

Funny how nobody complains about the lack of rumble anymore. I only see someone missing it from time to time in some boards, and even 360 users don't keep bragging on how much better their games are because of it.

To be honest, I forget about it until someone makes threads like this. If the sixaxis ends up getting the good ol' dual shock rumble, fine, but don't expect me to jump in joy because of it or even actually use it all the time. Now, if it gets some advanced rumble features or even some kind of force feedback from the Immersion deal, I might be interested.
Halo 3 is better than Killzone because Halo 3 has rumble.:thumbl:

[AC!D]

Rumble is Brilliant!
In survival horror games its brilliant for a fright from behind or something slashing at you. In metal gear and other shooters its important especially if we want no more on screen huds or red arrows on screen pointing where we were shot or sniped from adding more realism. It's also brilliant for when enviromental effects take place in game or a large something is aproaching you like a T-REX in Tomb Raider. If they could add sensor points it would be even better for example in Lair if you were hit from behind on your right by another dragon the controller could vibrate say on only the right bottom handle to give you a sense of which direction you were attacked from.

Rumble is important for me so i hope they add it as soon as possible with an even stronger battery in the controller.

[Viper]

And a gyroscope is something completely different than a G-Sensor, which is built into the SixaxiS and Wiimote (afaik they both use the exact same sensor).

The official term is accelerometer and both controllers use them though I do think they are supplied by different companies. I don't know what differences that makes in the ability to have rumble in it though as it was never a concern on the Wii-mote so I never could understand how it would have been a problem on 6ax.

I'm still in the camp that the lack of rumble was due to the litigation and not some technical roadblock.



When applied well, rumble makes a very great addition to the experience.

[Segitz]

The official term is accelerometer and both controllers use them though I do think they are supplied by different companies. I don't know what differences that makes in the ability to have rumble in it though as it was never a concern on the Wii-mote so I never could understand how it would have been a problem on 6ax.

I'm still in the camp that the lack of rumble was due to the litigation and not some technical roadblock.



When applied well, rumble makes a very great addition to the experience.

Now that you point it out, I wanted to write accelerometers^^ Both are G-sensors though.

Ya, just like Harrison said "What did you expect us to say" on the question of why no rumble and the recent conclusion to the lawsuit.

But in the end, Sony now has the unique chance to put in a major overhaul in terms of rumble (the touch sensing tech from Immersion for example), as there's no real need to rush it. And since this is not the most complex and expensive technology (I even think I remember reading from Immersion, that this tech is likely to be cheaper to implement, as it only needs one motor), Sony even doesnt have to make it more expensive (I find 50€ to be MUCH cash for a mere addon, even the 30€ for the Dualshock were nothing to sneeze at). Ok, regarding this, we are still in a cheap camp compared to the Wii, which is afaik 70€ (both, nonchuck and remote, because without it, it isnt complete... PLUS batterys^^)

[LiquidEagle]

Although we're getting more than a 6Axis, I don't want to pay more than $50 for the new controller. $35 was rough on my back in the day for PS2, and $50 is rough now.

[Domination]

Although we're getting more than a 6Axis, I don't want to pay more than $50 for the new controller. $35 was rough on my back in the day for PS2, and $50 is rough now.

Then don't... Just sell the current controllers to help cut costs on the updated version. I mean, it makes sense if you're intentions are to purchase rumble controllers, right?

[Viper]

Does anyone recall how the transition from the regular PS pad to the DS went? Any anecdotal stories could give some idea what to expect here.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If we're speaking from personal experience it was pretty seamless.

[VG Aficionado]

I have an old magazine here somewhere that I saw recently when I was tidying up which has an ad for the first dual analog PS controller on the back cover. I remember a guy on the radio who collaborated on a videogame weekly program mentioning that he found the analog sticks more comfortable due to the fact that they were convex compared to DualShock's concave sticks. I guess that controller didn't sell well enough and/or Sony replaced it too quickly with the Dual Shock, because I think it never got popular enough.

I bought the Dual Shock as soon as I had a reason to do it, and that was Gran Turismo. It was quite an experience, I remember feeling weird when I noticed the rumble as soon as I started racing, and it made the game more enjoyable even though it was a fresh experience beyond rumble. There's only another PS1 game that brings back fond rumble memories, and that's Metal Gear Solid. FFVIII was nice too, but it didn't really add anything to the experience.

[Domination]

Does anyone recall how the transition from the regular PS pad to the DS went? Any anecdotal stories could give some idea what to expect here.

When the PlayStation first launched, I think it went two years with the original controllers. It was then where Sony launched the Dual Shock 1 as a secondary controller that you could purchase by itself over the standard controller pad that was packaged with the system (it was an experiment, basically). But if I were to compare it to any former or current events as to how it caught on with both consumers and developers, I'd have to compare it with the original Xbox 'S' controller when compared to the original Duke controller. The controller wasn't packaged with the console immediately; it started off as a secondary option for a minimum period before it was packaged with the console. But because it was so different to the previous controller, it caught on quickly and thus became a standard.

The PS3 is a little different, though unless Sony reintroduces the boomerang to pose as another experiment to PlayStation users. See, its games already support rumble - the previous ones. Developers are also very aware of the results it can produce. So I can imagine that a secondary controller can not only come much sooner but also catch on far faster than it did before.

[Carlos]

Niiiiiiiiice. Can't wait to try it out! :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Happy with your PS3? You sure seem to be enjoying it!

[LiquidEagle]

Then don't... Just sell the current controllers to help cut costs on the updated version. I mean, it makes sense if you're intentions are to purchase rumble controllers, right?

Yeah, I probably will trade in my 3 6AXIS controllers... I just don't like to see controllers get more expensive than they already are... I know, I'm dreaming :laugh:

[sif]

Rumbling sixaxis revealed?

We've gotten in several tips involving this developer diary posted a few days ago on IGN, showing the folks at Free Radical polishing up the Haze demo that was shown at the Ubisoft gamers day back in late May. At the beginning of this lengthy, relatively entertaining video we see Haze being demoed to the press using a standard Sixaxis, while at around the ten minute mark we are shown two separate developers testing the game and the controller they are using is mysteriously blurred out. Could it be that Free Radical already has their hands on the rumble ready PS3 controller?

I really doubt it. This video was shot in mid-May for one. Nothing stays quiet for that long in the industry, especially during the lead-in to E3, when you can almost imaging developers hopping up and down in their chairs like excited children with a secret they desperately want to tell.

Secondly...come on guys, it's just a blur. It could really mean anything. Maybe there is a stipulation about dev kit controllers not being show, or they use special equipment during the development process that they'd rather not have people see. Hell, perhaps they have an odd habit of writing "FUCK" in big letters on all of their development tools and needed to make the vid kid safe.

Or it could very well be a less-than artfully hidden rumble Sixaxis, though as I said I have serious doubts. The main thing to take away from this flurry of speculation is that PS3 owners would really like their rumble back plz. THX!

http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/rumble-sixaxis-in-developers-hands-276014.php

[sif]

delete please

[PurePremium]

I hope they announce rumble at E3. Games aren't the same without it.

[cliffbo]

mmmmmmmm.... coming up to E3 fellas

[zero 7]

i hope these rumours are true gran turismo has always been the best game to utilise vibration GTHD just felt so sterrile without it

[-gin-]

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa302/methane47/Rumbleaxis.gif

look at the bottom left

[frosty]

seems as if the top of the controller is white or has a lighter colored segment.

[FantasyGhost]

it's from the full of glamour trailer of haze at ign

[warmachine]

I think he meant that it's moving on its own while the character on screen is hit... oO

Rumble confirmed! ^^

...or it's a 360 Dev Kit controller...heard somewhere that these things are black... -_-

[VG Aficionado]

I think he meant that it's moving on its own while the character on screen is hit... oO

Rumble confirmed! ^^

...or it's a 360 Dev Kit controller...heard somewhere that these things are black... -_-Good points!

[Fats]

Hopefully the former and not the latter.

[cliffbo]

i haven't got a clue what you lot are on about. i see nothing in that pick at the bottom left!

[Fats]

That's because it's blurred. Look closer.

[cliffbo]

seems as if the top of the controller is white or has a lighter colored segment.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! where?????????????

[Fats]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/specialpro/Rumbleaxis.gif

[Steemo]

Why would they blur it if it WASN'T a Sixaxis Rumble? This is great news, I'm glad I didn't buy a ton of extra controllers.

Actually, maybe if it was a giant horse penis, they might blur it then.. But what are the odds of that..

[Fats]

How responsive would a giant horse penis be though? Think about it!

[warmachine]

Something that's bothering me is, that every SIXAXIS in the whole footage ISN'T blurred.
Just controllers we assume to be SHOCKAXIS... -_-

And here's a pic of a 360 SDK:

http://static.blogo.it/gamesblog/xbox360black.jpg

-_-

[cliffbo]

How responsive would a giant horse penis be though? Think about it!

i'll leave that to you to find out! :pinky:

edit: so a blur is proof of rumble. lol. just taking my glasses off for confirmation

[Viper]

Is there more video than that?

[Fats]

seems as if the top of the controller is white or has a lighter colored segment.

Does the Elite 360 controller have a different shaded area at the top?

[TEEDA]

Sixaxis + Rumbles + Haze exclusive ? lol

[FantasyGhost]

At about 9:50 of Full of Glamour (July 6, 2007) trailer (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/784/784480/vids_1.html) you see it, and he's busy optimizing the ps3 version of the game.

I'm gonna cut the actual footage out of the trailer and post it soon...

[julps31]

I swear i can make out the shape of the sixaxis in the gif.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa302/methane47/Rumbleaxis.gif

When the controller slides after he moves his hand it seems the shoulder buttons are facing the camera. Not to mention the controller slides by itself lol (rumble anyone?..maybe i'm reaching but still lol).

[VG Aficionado]

It does look like a sixaxis indeed. Interesting stuff.

[Fats]

Well. I don't think the Elite controller is that small, also, when it swings around it looks as though the handles are more distinguishable which makes me think it looks like a sixaxis.

[warmachine]

I found another scene where it was blurrend an where they weren't so carefull:

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07281/vlcsnap-1175436.png

Look at the shape of the buttons and how he is holding his thumbs! --> SIXAXIS or Dualshock or some Sony Rumble Thingy

[VG Aficionado]

Amazing how this video is being analysed :laugh:

[GTAce]

Amazing how this video is being analysed :laugh:

lol yeah its pretty funny to see what a bit blur can make. XD

[julps31]

Ha, ha..the Psinext detectives at work. It only makes sense that its the shock axis cause its obviously not the xbox controller and they'd have no need to hide the regular sixaxis.

[Fats]

They wouldn't have a reason to blur an Elite controller either would they? Not that it is!

shockaxis confirmed! :lol:

[warmachine]

The unblurred part is by the way at 11:19. ^^

[Viper]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/shock1.jpg

I was able to nab this from that video. It's just prior to them blurring it out.



It's most likely a 6ax or shockax. After listening closely to the sounds made when he lets go of the controller, you hear it make contact with the table but you don't hear any vibrating clatter as it slides near his wrist. It's just really weird. Anyone who has ever put down a rumbling controller on a hard table knows the sound they make. They usually don't move that far or fast either. The vibration tends to keep it centered to some degree. That smacked his wrist almost like it was tethered to him.


Other possible reasons for the blurring could be that they are using a 3rd party controller. I see that kind of stuff get blurred out every now and then too.


Overall I think it's most likely a shockax but it moved across the table very odd for rumble and made no sound either.....least that the mic picked up.

[Fats]

The conspiracy continues! E3 is going to be awesome... Awesome I tells ya!

[cliffbo]

look at this picture. it's not very clear, but if you look close enough you can see clearly it's the new rumble Sixaxis:

http://www.kerryloewen.com/images/smoke/KLoewen_UntitledSmokeNo.376sm.jpg

[GTAce]

:lol: (cool pic by the way)

[Viper]

Wow, there it is.


And holy shit, is that Jimmy Hoffa too?

[cliffbo]

clear as day! lol

[Fats]

Actually, it looks like a women turned away with her hand on her head...

So, yeah, shockaxis confirmed!!.

[warmachine]

Something that came into my mind lately was, that you could do some force feedback (resistance while using the controller through the air) by using gyroscopes for some the axis of the controller.
THAT would be really cool! ...and rumble of course... ^^

[Fats]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x204/RDK333/final-1.jpg

[VG Aficionado]

I would just wait three more days :shrug: Less than 72 hours, actually.

[Fats]

Never! The speculation and hype must continue!

[VG Aficionado]

:pinky:

[cliffbo]

i am really enjoying today fellas!!! just wanted to say that! it's great when we can just fool around without threads getting locked YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[FantasyGhost]

The piece where he's got it in hands: http://rapidshare.com/files/41812083/Haze_FullofglamourcutIGN.mov.html

[julps31]

The detective work in this thread is amazing lol. I feel like i'm in a episode of CSI. And i'm with Cliff..the forums been real fun today.

[Red_Eyes]

Sony's marketing campaign is working brilliantly, and it's not costing Sony any money at all.

[warmachine]

After all of todays hype I'm definitely not ready for the disappointment E3 will be. -_-

However, I really hope it will not disappoint...

[VG Aficionado]

Sony should send us free games :queer:

After all of todays hype I'm definitely not ready for the disappointment E3 will be. -_-

However, I really hope it will not disappoint...Yeah, to be honest I'm concerned. I'm sure it'll be much better than last year's (it can't possibly be that bad), but anything can happen... no price drop, no rumble, Killzone is meh...

But I can't help getting hyped :pinky:

[Fats]

Actually, guys, if you look at that GIF again you'll see that there's a white cord underneath the persons arm.

[VG Aficionado]

Wiimote confirmed? Haze cancelled for PS3 and going Wii exclusive?

I already saw it, but I just thought about it now: it's a white USB cable, and I think that's a regular sixaxis which is moving because the guy is pulling the cable involuntarily with his arm, leg or whatever when he turns his chair towards the screen.

[cliffbo]

he catches it with the side of his hand after he puts it down... it isn't moving!

[Sephiroth_VII]

There's no cord attached to the controller. Also, if DS3 is using the new and more precise rumble technology from Immersion, I'm not sure that we'll be able to hear it, or that it'll move controller in the same way.

[cliffbo]

There's no cord attached to the controller. Also, if DS3 is using the new and more precise rumble technology from Immersion, I'm not sure that we'll be able to hear it, or that it'll move controller in the same way.

thing is though... it is blurred out! that can be for one reason only: there is a Sixaxis redesign. (fact)

we can then extrapolate that Sony will put rumble in at some point. with a great opportunity to showcase it at E3, i'm 85% sure

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yeah. I'm still hoping that they bring the boomerang back.

[Viper]

thing is though... it is blurred out! that can be for one reason only: there is a Sixaxis redesign. (fact)

we can then extrapolate that Sony will put rumble in at some point. with a great opportunity to showcase it at E3, i'm 85% sure

Or they were using a 3rd party control pad and can't show it.

[cliffbo]

Rumble/PsEye/Killzone/RAC/Uncharted/Price drop.

come on E3!

[Sephiroth_VII]

Or they were using a 3rd party control pad and can't show it.

Don't ruin the mood Viper!! :rant:

J/K

[Red_Eyes]

Rumble/PsEye/Killzone/RAC/Uncharted/Price drop.
When you put it like that, E3 can't disappoint.

[frosty]

do this. take your sixaxis and set it on a table. brush your hand against it as if you were reaching for the keyboard like that guy does. Watch how it moves. notice anything?

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa302/methane47/Rumbleaxis.gif

It's almost as if the controller floats toward his arm as he brushes against it. A normal sixaxis will just tilt to the side when you brush your arm against it like that.

[cliffbo]

you are right! it seems to move to his arm! :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

This is like that program n Discovery Channel. It's called Flight Crash Investigations or something like that.

[-gin-]

Actually, maybe if it was a giant horse penis, they might blur it then.. But what are the odds of that..

How come Giant Horse penis is the first thing that comes to mind of all the things that could of been blurred? lmao

[-gin-]

look at this picture. it's not very clear, but if you look close enough you can see clearly it's the new rumble Sixaxis:

http://www.kerryloewen.com/images/smoke/KLoewen_UntitledSmokeNo.376sm.jpg

usually when i see smoke like this i just think of xbox overheating

[backbreaker]

The thread title should change in case sony is reading. If the new controller is using touch sense, sony should name the new controller "SixSense".

[Smokey]

its a ps3 controller... i bet if there is rumble in it it would look exactually the same

[VG Aficionado]

Awesome killzonin', smokey :laugh:

[Smokey]

thanks VG all credit goes to Fredag though i dont know how to do it :(

[Fats]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x204/RDK333/shock.jpg

:lol:

[VG Aficionado]

:lol:

:shrug:

[chartwel]

im not sure how a red button confirms anything..........i think people are setting themselves up for a big let down.

[Fats]

Perhaps we should call in the Hardy Boys?

[Z]

im not sure how a red button confirms anything..........i think people are setting themselves up for a big let down.

the PS button only lits red on the dev SKUs not the commercial ones.

[-gin-]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x40/jinn-/Sixaxis.jpg

can't believe im looking into it as much as i am, but if you look real close, you can see that there is a white usb cable attached to the controller, which is probably the reason why it moves the way it does when he sets it down. You can also see the cable hanging down from the desk too in the gif. But this doesn't change the fact that they are blurring it, covering up that red light on the controller, which to me, looks like it could be the new sixaxis. possibly

[the boney king of nowhere.]

...probably not.

[Se7en]

Man E3 cant come fast enough. I cant wait to here more details unveiled about this.

[Segitz]

The dev kit Sixaxis kept the red LED (there was some dev confirming this somewhere, dunno if it actually was B3D), but this wouldnt be the reason they'd blur it...


Since it is Ubi, I rather think, they didnt want to show it, because it is PS3 and not 360 somehow (but that doesnt make sense either, as there are scenes were they dont blur it, like were the french ubi guys are present). Or it really is a different version of the Sixaxis still under embargo.

[TEEDA]

Elix0r from SCEE pointed out that the Red led sixaxis is used on PS3 beta consoles only, but some appeared on few commercials just for purpose but were never meant to be commercialized but he doesn 't know more than that.

[zero 7]

i think we should just let this topic rest until E3

[cliffbo]

what about the pictures with the green PS button?

[Red_Eyes]

Floating PS3 controller confirmed!

[Fats]

Doesn't mean much I guess, but clicky. (http://www.ps3focus.nl/v3/videos/speler.php?id=188)

[VG Aficionado]

Haha, nice.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I can't see the video, what is it?

[frosty]

I see the shock version being identical with the red button indicating rumble is enabled, hold it for it to act as the home button.

[VG Aficionado]

I see the shock version being identical with the red button indicating rumble is enabled, hold it for it to act as the home button.Well, that's an interesting thought.

I can't see the video, what is it?A hot girl who sucks when she plays with something black in her hands. But it's not interracial pr0n.

[julps31]

Its funny because theres some shots were they don't censor the PS3 controller when you can clearly see it (Sixaxis?) And other parts where they do censor the controller and you'd have to look hard to see it in the first place..not to mention the shape is defianantly that of a Dual Shock controller..to me at least (Shock Axis?)

OR a 3rd party controller shaped similary to the Sixaxis that they didn't get the rights to show but used on the Dev kits or on actual PS3/360 consoles? I doubt it lol.

A hot girl who sucks when she plays with something black in her hands. But it's not interracial pr0n.Lmao...