Sony Press Conference Summary

[Ivory_Soul]

Well, well, well what can I say. Sony stole the show again this year with MANY surprises. Here they are:

--The first big announcement was the PSP redesign and no it doesn't have a second analog stick. It is 19% slimmer, has a new UMD drive for faster load times, and has a TV out plug to view your PSP on the TV. The PSP redesign will also come in 2 other colors. Silver and a special Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron white PSP with Darth Vader on the back. That one will also ship with a 1GB MS, the Star Wars game and will retail for $200. The silver PSP will come with a 1GB MS as well and Daxter and will also retail for $200.

--Second Phil showed everyone new PNP games. A wonderfully new and original game called Eccocrome which is all in black and white and looks like a sketch. The graphics are very simple.

--Next Phil announced that the PlayStation Home will let you enter pictures from your phone and export pictures onto the internet. Also you can jump into any game from Home. Home will be available in the Fall.

--A serious kick to the nuts to MS, Jack also announced Unreal Tournament 2007 is exclusive to the PS3 and PC, but next year will be released for the Xbox 360.

--Haze is also exclusive to PS3 from developers of Free Radical (Time Splitters)

--The first real time trailer for Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots was shown and it will be the LAST MGS game and the last game for Hideo Kojima. It will come out in 2008.

--Sony showed off a new trailer for Ratchet&Clank Future: Tools of Destruction and a new game from Sucker Punch Studios called Infamous

--A real time trailer for Gran Turismo 5 Prologue was shown.

--The very end was shown with a real time trailer of Killzone 2 and Halo is going down the toilet!

Bottom line Sony stole the show this year yet again (meaning they did for 05 now for 07) because they just showed games, games, games (quoted from Adam on G4!). Peter Moore better watch out! Killzone is real time now and your little Halo 3 is starting look pretty bad in comparison.

[Shogun042]

is Haze completely exclusive or just for 2007?

so many exclusive announcements wow. NCSoft making exclusive games, UT3 PS3 exclusive (consoles), you can go OUTSIDE in Home now. you can launch single and multiplayer games from home, and Phil says it works for every game. AND there's a myspace type page for all Home users that you can export your photos too. wow. my hat's off to you Sony

[BruceWayneIII]

^ I think Haze and UT3 is only timed exclusives. 'This holiday', was the phrase by Jack.

I saw Microsoft's press conference, haven't seen Nintendo's, but Sony really showed some great material. If they keep the train running like that, the PS3 will start picking up speed pretty soon.

[BluBoi]

Are UT3 and Haze timed exclusives or straight up exclusive?

Edit: Gotcha

I wish I could have seen the PSP redesign, I missed like the first 15 minutes.

[Ivory_Soul]

The PSP redesign looks exactly the same BluBoi there was no difference until you feel it in your hands they said. I'm also not too sure about Haze it kind of looks like a straight forward run n gun

[Viper]

Haze = Exclusive
UT = Timed exclusive

[<3frosty]

Wait, PS3 stole the show LAST YEAR? What did i miss?

[BruceWayneIII]

Haze = Exclusive
UT = Timed exclusive

It really wasn't that clear, in my opinion. We'll soon know, I guess.

[Jay Gee]

I could've sworn he called them both exclusives for "this year." But if Haze really is a PS3 exclusive, rock on!

[VG Aficionado]

All you need to know is that Sony won E3 2007 :cloud9:

Oh, and don't forget: MGS4 is 100% exclusive to PS3.

[NickSCFC]

Was all a bit meh for me.

PSP Lite was expected
Echochrome looked good
GT5 didn't see much
KIllzone 2, already saw it before conference.

Perhaps I feel let down because I was expecting a huge blowout like 2005

[<3frosty]

I could've sworn he called them both exclusives for "this year." But if Haze really is a PS3 exclusive, rock on!

Well, considering that "this year" means 2007, it is certainly possible that timed exclusive means it comes on the 360 in 2008...

[BluBoi]

Was all a bit meh for me.

PSP Lite was expected
Echochrome looked good
GT5 didn't see much
KIllzone 2, already saw it before conference.

Perhaps I feel let down because I was expecting a huge blowout like 2005

It would have been nice if they did some on-stage gameplay demos but I suppose gameplay vids will be up soon. Regardless, I'm happy with it. I guess that's why they say to keep your expectations low.:damarus:

It was kinda anti-climactic how after that great Killzone footage, they say here is so and so, the director of Killzone 2, then he walks off stage and the show was over. WTF, I thought he would actually talk about the game. :twitch:

[OG_Monkey]

dissapointed killzone wont hit shelves till 2008 though. I was really expecting this year for it to come out. Oh well, the more time they work on it the better.

Thought the PSP redeigned would be better, like anohter analog nub or something. And why they move those 2 holes up top? WHat are they for anyway, they arent speakers. Eh, ill still get one

I really think they made a halo killer this time, i really do

[NickSCFC]

Goin on this year's E3

2007 belongs to Microsoft
2008 belongs to Sony

[Fats]

Good times, looked like Sony did indeed steal the show! :)

[BruceWayneIII]

This E3 was Sony's - no doubt about it.

[OG_Monkey]

no bull. I didnt even bother to look at nintendo's show. Microsoft's was cool but seemed boring.

[Effulgence]

Haze = Exclusive
UT = Timed exclusive

The IGN article with a Haze dev interview with the dev says exclusive "through first quarter 2008"

[Viper]

The IGN article with a Haze dev interview with the dev says exclusive "through first quarter 2008"

Just saw that too.

[Sephiroth_VII]

They could've made that more clear...

[Bsack]

I don't know about stole the show last year, but in my opinioin Wii took the show last year.

PS3 had the best show this year though and I am pretty excited to see the future games.

[Ivory_Soul]

I love the fact Sony came right out with KZ2 and just showed it instead of beating around the bush like MS is doing with Halo 3. They keep showing bits and pieces of cut up footage and it's like their hiding something. I think they're scared now because Killzone just might become the new Halo. MS is relying purely on fandom instead of quality of the game. They think because Halo is a huge fad and everyone runs out and buys it is gonna drive the game and that's true and also extremely...sad. Sony is trying to deliver content and gameplay instead of just a name.

[OmniCloud]

I don't know about stole the show last year, but in my opinioin Wii took the show last year.

PS3 had the best show this year though and I am pretty excited to see the future games.Yeah Wii took the show last year for sure...the long lines--yup all for Wii

MS came in second because they had a lot of software..

PS3 was pretty bare bones as far as actual games being ready-and Sony suffered from that...

But yeah-what a recovery! MS and PS3 has probably reversed this year..

Wii still had an impressive show and many new Wii peripherals and software that will continue capturing people's imagination. I'm reading a few reports that MS has a nice selection of games, but felt pretty samey and dull this time..

[<3frosty]

I love the fact Sony came right out with KZ2 and just showed it instead of beating around the bush like MS is doing with Halo 3. They keep showing bits and pieces of cut up footage and it's like their hiding something. I think they're scared now because Killzone just might become the new Halo.

Whether or not that occurs, you have to realize that Halo is actually working off of critical and public acclaim, where as Killzone got lackluster scores and didnt sell all that many units.

Lets make no mistake. Guerilla and Sony hope that Killzone can become anything close to what Halo currently IS. Do i personally like Halo all that much? Nope. But their is no doubt that as far as console FPSs go, Halo is king right now, and the game will move alot of consoles when it comes out.


Killzone? Well, i have yet to play the new iteration so all we can do is sit here a twiddle our thumbs.

[False_Messiah]

No word about a new sixaxis?

[Bsack]

The first game was a disaster and to make bold claims like that, Ivory_Soul, shows you know nothing. When the PSP version of Killzone was ten times better than the first iteration is truely what's sad. Which I might add, Killzone 1, was supposedly acclaimed to be the Halo killer last generation and we have yet another firm believer (Ivory_Soul) saying the same shit. Why don't people like you just go passed your fanboyism and just enjoy games for what they are instead of talking all the shit you lack knowledge there of.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Nothing. Maybe at TGS?

[VG Aficionado]

Don't forget to mention Chewbacca :laugh:

[AC!D]

I don't know what you guys are on about i thought MS stole the show with their exlusive Jade Raymond :)

[AC!D]

In all seriousness though i think MS owns August, September, October, November with Bioshock, Halo, GTA 4 (simply because they have sold more consoles up to that point than Sony) and Mass Effect but after that i think all bets are off. Sony has Haze and Unreal soon thereafter Uncharted until the end of the year. Then the next year im thinking Sony will own MS cause they have killzone, MGS, LBP in the first quater of next year and then after March the getaway, Final Fantasy13, Final Fantasy versus, Heavy Rain, White Knight Story, 8 days, Gran Turismo just to name a few basically all Sony's big hitters are spaced out nicely. MS big hitters are all this year and they have shown basically nothing for next year. Their 3 biggest games are not making a showing again next year unless you count Halo wars which is an RTS. Then after these big hitters from Sony we are gonna be hearing about Team Ico game and God of war 3 and probably resistance 2. Sony got to the party late but they spaced out their big hitters ver nicely indeed. Im thinking PS3 is gonna surpass 360 by the middle of next year. Just a personal observation guys so don't flame me please.

[Garfunkel]

Thanks guys, lucky we have a summary because my ISP wants to slow my internet down for this month if i was to download that huge 450MB conference file...

[Ivory_Soul]

The first game was a disaster and to make bold claims like that, Ivory_Soul, shows you know nothing. When the PSP version of Killzone was ten times better than the first iteration is truely what's sad. Which I might add, Killzone 1, was supposedly acclaimed to be the Halo killer last generation and we have yet another firm believer (Ivory_Soul) saying the same shit. Why don't people like you just go passed your fanboyism and just enjoy games for what they are instead of talking all the shit you lack knowledge there of.

First off calm down dude you have a serious issue when it comes to people saying stuff. Second of all the first Killzone wasn't a disaster at all and it was pretty good. I'm just stating facts here that you don't seem to see and making accusations like that at me is just extremely immature. I'm not any fanboy for any company. I like all 3 equally and own consoles from all 3. I never said I was a firm believer that KZ2 would kill Halo I'm just saying what it looks like RIGHT NOW. Have you played H3 or KZ2? I didn't think so...so let's grow up and let people speak their minds. I also don't "lack any knowledge" since I've played both Halos (own Halo 2) played both Killzone's (own the first) so I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about and I NEVER labeled Killzone a "Halo killer" when it first came out. I just thought it was a FUN FPS.

Moving on...I think AC!D here is right. MS owns pretty much all of this year and I think Sony and Nintendo are going to go head to head in '08. MS had almost nothing to show for '08 and that kind of seemed odd to me. Right now Sony's major hit is KZ2, MGS4, and GT5 those are it's 3 main console sellers. MS will have Halo 3 and the last trickle that's left of Gears. Nintendo has SMBB, MP3C, and SMG. When it comes to portables the PSP has more games in its pocket this time instead of the DS really. All the DS really has is Spore, LoZ:PH (and probably a few I can't remember atm)

[Derrick Barra]

My Predictions for the future; from what I've seen this is the most likely scenario for late 07 and 08, 09 is still anybodies guess though.

2007- Belongs to 360 With Sony and Nintendo both doing good.
2008- Things get really crazy as all of the PS3's big games start coming out (with correct spacing like was said earlier). PS3 still doesn't surpass or get too too close to 360 sales because of price, but becomes a major threat. 360 Does great but doesn't have the market by the balls anymore. And the Wii sells another quadrillion units to the casual gamers; however the core gamers have all but lost hope but buy one anyways for their families/friends.

E3 08 Sony- Tons of new stuff for Home and Integration with the Home Website and PSP/Cellphone. They showcase their great 08 lineup.
E3 08 MS- Show off a bunch of "surprise" announcements for exclusive titles (why I think they didn't announce anything new at E3 07). And depending on the success of Home may announce plans for free play online for Xbox Live Silver but give Gold Members ton of advantages to pay. (In my opinion they could get away with the $50 a year fee until late 08)
E3 08 Nintendo- Continue to differentiate themselves from their competitors with an even heavier focus on the casual gamer. Trailer for a new Zelda and Animal Crossing/Pikmin is shown to keep the Hardcore market alive on their system. Barely Any Hardcore oriented games are announced for the system from 3rd parties.

[Segitz]

Hm, I dont get, why you all think MS will win 2007.

First of all, I think (if Ninty can up the production), the Wii will win 2007 bigtime.

Most game coming for the 360 are games that already sold the system to most of those who already have a 360. Shooters and whatnot. MS will sell many unitss of games, but ATM I think, MS wont sell as many consoles as they would want to (because of a lack of game diversity).

Sony... I dont know if they will do great or merely good. They have a diverse library and since MGS4 is coming early 08, they have a big hitter on hand for XMas (the time after XMas is still considered XMas isnt it?). The problem now is (since most bigger (first party) games are not sequels), to show to John Doe, how good they are to persuade him to buy it for XMas for $499€ (<- on purpose, Sony will announce a Euro price cut, I am sure of it)

[Z]

calm down Bsack, Ivory didn't say anything wrong at all. it is uncalled for going out and calling him a fanboy and being ignorant just because he likes a game you think sucks. the first game is a platinum seller ( more than 2 mil. sold, iirc) and got an overall average score of 7 or 8 out of ten.

and as I said earlier; this is not KZ1 we are talking about. this is a new FPS on a new system for a new generation. and right now, I agree with Ivory in that as far as presentation and footage seen, Killzone 2 for me looks leaps and bounds more interesting than Halo 3. I don't like comparing platform exclusives to each other since I see it as moot, but I am stating what I felt from watching Halo 3 and Killzone 2 since you brought it up.

[Z]

you know what I loved about Sony's show this year? it was light, direct and to the point. and when I say 'light' I mean is the actual presentation and not in the content they showed.

'these are our offerings'. simple and clean. :)

[Bsack]

calm down Bsack, Ivory didn't say anything wrong at all. it is uncalled for going out and calling him a fanboy and being ignorant just because he likes a game you think sucks. the first game is a platinum seller ( more than 2 mil. sold, iirc) and got an overall average score of 7 or 8 out of ten.

I am calm, so please quit acting like I'm not. He did claim Killzone 2 as the Halo killer just phrased differently. He was out of line for what he said and I called him out for it. If you don't like it, too bad. It's uncalled for? Why was it uncalled for? It's clear that he is a fanboy and just because a game sold well doesn't mean it's any good. So are you going to tell me all the Pokemon Stadium games were fun? Give me a break man. Numbers mean shit and for you to reference numbers like they actually mean a damn thing makes me question whether or not you can even consider yourself a true gamer. Hell even Pokemon Snap sold a hell of a lot of games, does it mean that games any good? No. So please don't try to throw numbers at me like they actually make a game good. The multiplayer to Killzone 1 was utterly terrible. Take a look at the servers from Killzone when they game first released it only had around 500 people playing when it launched and maybe 200 people on average until the game ended. I owned the game also and I regretted ever owning it. My accusations were not uncalled for, so get off of my back Z.

[Bsack]

First off calm down dude you have a serious issue when it comes to people saying stuff. Second of all the first Killzone wasn't a disaster at all and it was pretty good. I'm just stating facts here that you don't seem to see and making accusations like that at me is just extremely immature. I'm not any fanboy for any company. I like all 3 equally and own consoles from all 3. I never said I was a firm believer that KZ2 would kill Halo I'm just saying what it looks like RIGHT NOW. Have you played H3 or KZ2? I didn't think so...so let's grow up and let people speak their minds. I also don't "lack any knowledge" since I've played both Halos (own Halo 2) played both Killzone's (own the first) so I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about and I NEVER labeled Killzone a "Halo killer" when it first came out. I just thought it was a FUN FPS.

I am calm. Saying stuff regarding what? Second of all it was a disaster. Terrible multiplayer, lag worse than Socom II, and the campaign had the AI running around like retarded monkeys. All of that I just listed makes it equal out to a pretty terrible gaming experience. Facts, what facts did you state exactly? Accusations such as what? Fanboy? Big deal go cry to mommy. No I'm the definition of liking all three consoles equally because I don't talk trash about either systems. In all honesty I defend every system. I've played the Multiplayer of Halo 3, so does that count? I never played KZ2, but why does it even matter if I haven't played those titles? Have you? You're already claiming KZ2 to be better, so wtf are you talking about? I've owned both Halos and I've owned both Killzone titles, so what do I get now? a cookie? No you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about. You did label it, but worded differently. Wow big deal. I'm pretty good at reading between the lines young one. It was a terrible FPS (Killzone).

[Z]

wow. I don't know what got on your nerves. and since we don't post in such a degrading matter over here, I'll leave you where you are.

[yoshaw]

I see nervous people. The effects of Killzone2 trailer :laugh:

One can't be more delusional than basing a yet to be released game on a previous years old prequel and calling it shitz because one keeps the opinion that the previous one wasn't up to snuff. Seriously, the amount of hatred and spout has to stop. The game looks and plays amazing. It's retarded, yes retarded to compare it to a game that came years ago n start arguing its merit on that. Narrow minded is the word I'm looking for I suppose.

Bring it on.

[Bsack]

tell me how was fanboy degrading?

I agree this game looks great, but basing his opinion off of nothing and saying it will be better than Halo 3 without even playing it is ridiculous. I based my opinion on fact about the first title and my points were valid.

[yoshaw]

Oh dear, talking of validity now! Amazing :)

How are some of your other posts valid, enlighten us? When you yourself are claiming a yet to be released game and trying to match its merit with that of an old game. Where's your validity preaching here Mister?

Jeez, talk about unreasonable.

[Bsack]

about the first game? I already said the multiplayer was terrible (do you want me to go into more details about why?), Campain like I said was like shooting at retarded monkeys and was pretty glitchy. I said my points were valid about the first game and if you don't believe me go read my post before this smart guy. You wanna try being more of smart ass? I never said my posts were valid, but I did say my points about the first game were valid. That smart enough for you Mr.?

[Garfunkel]

What i liked about this show is that there was less powerpoint slides showing sales figures and touting the playstation brand and more videos and announcements about upcoming games and services!

[yoshaw]

Yup, good enough.

Now SHUT YOUR WHINING about the first game's whatever shortcomings! We all know what they were. Everyone was crying about it when it got released. But there are people who like it. And you'll find them in spades over here. Everyone has their own opinion. But see, this is a Sony conference(edit) thread. A sequel coming years after the first one. Not a thread that says 'let's match killzone1 with killzone2 and degrade anyone who thinks it might be able to up halo' thread.

So let us not try to merit KILLZONE2 on whatever the heck kind of a game Killzone1 was. Understood?

[Bsack]

Yup, good enough.

Now SHUT YOUR WHINING about the first game's whatever shortcomings! We all know what they were. Everyone was crying about it when it got released. But there are people who like it. And you'll find them in spades over here. Everyone has their own opinion. But see, this is a Sony conference(edit) thread. A sequel coming years after the first one. Not a thread that says 'let's match killzone1 with killzone2 and degrade anyone who thinks it might be able to up halo' thread.

So let us not try to merit KILLZONE2 on whatever the heck kind of a game Killzone1 was. Understood?

I see you failed to mention anything about my previous validity statement.:whip: That's what I call not reading a whole post and then trying to look like a smartass and being proven wrong. How am I whining exactly? Do you want to show what I apparently was "whining" about? I didn't say it was a matching killzone 1 to killzone 2 thread now did i? I just stated that people were saying that KZ would be better than Halo...blah, blah, blah and it wasn't. Then I correlated that to Ivory_Soul's comments. Thanks nice try to blow the conversation in a direction in which it wasn't going. Good job to mislead what my statements really were. I recommend you going back and doing a little reading before you open your trap again. Thanks.

[yoshaw]

I recommend you going back and doing a little reading. Thanks.

I'm tired actually so, meh.

Killzone2 will be better than Halo3! Call me a fanboy now, will you? :roll eyes:

[Bsack]

Once again you didn't even read, so there's no point to even go on talking to you.

Edit: fine I will then, fanboy. Are you gonna cry, say it's degrading and slander. Get a life man. Degrading. I nearly laughed when I read that.

[yoshaw]

Cool, now that we're done. Back on topic to sony conference people!

What I loved about the show was the Echo Chrome puzzler, and OMG is there any end to Resident Evil 5 loving =-o *Do I hear a No?*

Post the cut out of HD RE5 trailer for me, anyone? It's in the Sony Montage released after E3 conf. available at Gamersyde(link here (http://www.gamersyde.com/news_4620_en.html)). Whenever I start the download, it abruptly ends in the middle, :duh:

Rep awaiting for whoever can cut the RE5 footage out of the montage.

fine I will then, fanboy. Are you gonna cry, say it's degrading and slander. Get a life man. Degrading. I nearly laughed when I read that.

I can understand your dilemma. It appears Guerrilla has nailed the message to competition n its showing. But like I care if it hurts.

[Fazares]

I'm tired actually so, meh.

Killzone2 will be better than Halo3! Call me a fanboy now, will you? :roll eyes:

at least,gfx wise,ur right....

[Z]

It's in the Sony Montage released after E3 conf. available at Gamersyde(link here (http://www.gamersyde.com/news_4620_en.html)). Whenever I start the download, it abruptly ends in the middle, :duh:

what is great about that site other than making HD d/l available is that it also uses torrent. I am currently torrneting three videos from them each exceeding 100M. :)

at least,gfx wise,ur right....

well, what they showed of the actual gameplay is far better than any other FPS that I saw. also, Halo's true strength and everyone's parsing is the multiplayer. in that regard, we still have nothing on how Killzone 2 is going to handle that. but looking at what Resistance did online, I have high hopes.

okay, this is just a suggestion, but the graphics may be lowered a tad during online mode on K2. I don't know, it just seems that playing with such quality online is too good to picture (pun unintended). we'll see.

speaking of online shooters in general, I just saw UT3 and it looks like the best FPS online mayhem I have ever seen! to show you how impressive I found it, I noticed it right after seeing K2 and MGS4 trailers. lol

[Garfunkel]

at least,gfx wise,ur right....

errr... you're very wrong to assume halo will be better gameplay wise. Halo was far more linear then killzone 1 was. Yes, i have played Halo and yes it is good, but boy oh boy it was repetitive and i think it's about as good as killzone.

If you want a good FPS that surpasses all, have a look at far cry or Half-life.

[Z]

well, we don't need to view any past games- evn for Halo. just look at the current trialers. AFAIK, Halo 3 didn't show SP mode yet while K2 didn't show MP mode yet. ;)

no, there is no conspiracy. it is just that each game is showing its main focus and what the devs started doing primarily.

[Bsack]

I couldn't agree more that this game is definitely going to be very promising and I'm excited to see the end result. I hope this game carries on where the PSP version left off.

[yoshaw]

errr... you're very wrong to assume halo will be better gameplay wise. Halo was far more linear then killzone 1 was. Yes, i have played Halo and yes it is good, but boy oh boy it was repetitive and i think it's about as good as killzone.

If you want a good FPS that surpasses all, have a look at far cry or Half-life.

QFT

The hatred and comparisons will ensue for a long time unfortunately. The new trailer has created a lot of insecurities for those on the other horizon it appears. lol

[<3frosty]

Hm, I dont get, why you all think MS will win 2007.

First of all, I think (if Ninty can up the production), the Wii will win 2007 bigtime.

Most game coming for the 360 are games that already sold the system to most of those who already have a 360. Shooters and whatnot. MS will sell many unitss of games, but ATM I think, MS wont sell as many consoles as they would want to (because of a lack of game diversity).

Sony... I dont know if they will do great or merely good. They have a diverse library and since MGS4 is coming early 08, they have a big hitter on hand for XMas (the time after XMas is still considered XMas isnt it?). The problem now is (since most bigger (first party) games are not sequels), to show to John Doe, how good they are to persuade him to buy it for XMas for $499€ (<- on purpose, Sony will announce a Euro price cut, I am sure of it)

Its funny, but i actually agree with you that Nintendo will win 2007. We are already hot on the heels of the 360 in sheer consoles sold. By November, we should be incredibly close in consoles sold. If not surpassing them already. The Wii has its best lineup of games that span many different genres and even tailor towards the hardcore games. MPC3, SMG, SSBB, Mario Strikers Charged, Battalion Wars 2, etc. Between all of those games, im probably gunna buy all of them... :|

But, at the same time, i can see Halo 3 selling 2-3 million consoles by itself. That is how big that franchise is. They do indeed have mostly shooters, but GTA4 will also have a big impact IMO. So, it all depends on how you perceive "winning". In my eyes, the Wii has sold so many consoles in less than a year it already is the winner of 2007. However, in raw numbers of games, i dunno.

[Bsack]

QFT

The hatred and comparisons will ensue for a long time unfortunately. The new trailer has created a lot of insecurities for those on the other horizon it appears. lol

That's funny because I'm not worried about a damn thing. I don't earn a profit off of the systems I own or a profit for knowing how many systems were sold/games sold, etc., so I honestly could care less which games are better. I play all games and I have fun doing that, but you sony fanboys are too linear to enjoy other consoles, so you stick with one. Like I"ve stated I enjoy every console.:thumbl:

SMG, SSBB, Mario Strikers Charged, and Battalion Wars 2, that's what I'll own.

[Applefiend]

Think I shouldn't add to this offtopic stuff but I think.

1 - I had fun playing Killzone 1, but it's basically a botched job. It's under the category of "games I enjoyed but couldn't recommend". Shouldn't be snobby about games, fun is fun. Killzone 1 was basically uneven. Some parts were brilliant, some parts awful. The phrase that comes to mind is "Over ambitious for the hardware".

2 - You shouldn't judge the sequel by the PS2 game, much larger group of people, much better hardware, yadda yadda

3 - Halo 1 was much much better than Killzone 1. I refuse to argue this point. :)

4 - It's safe to assume at this point Killzone 2 is almost an entire generation in front of Halo 3 in terms of graphics, in model detail alone.

5 - In terms of gameplay, you can assume Halo 3 will play well.

6 - We need to all play KZ2 before we can assume it will.

Teh end. :)

[yoshaw]

Where's my RE5 trailer?

[edoshin]

The KZ2 trailer just has this amazing cinematic feel to it. If what we've seen carries thru the rest of the game, then this game will be epic and set a benchmark moving forward. I can't imagine what Resistance 2 will look like.

I'd like to see another Sly Cooper. inFamous looks interesting, but Sly was one of my favorite games.

So what was the exclusive that was hinted at before the conference. Is it the Haze and UT timed exclusive?

[Jay Gee]

The KillzonePS2 multiplayer was far from terrible. It didn't have as many modes as Halo, but the modes it did have were fun to play. Assaults, Defend and Destroy, and Supply Drop are different types that can be fun to play. Some of the maps weren't tested well enough for them, and turned out to have a negative effect on them, but aside from that, the multiplayer, even being considered "stripped down" by most, is still fun to play to this day. So yeah, just saying "multiplayer was terrible" and not giving evidence to prove that point is beyond retarded.

[Kronz]

I am calm. Saying stuff regarding what? Second of all it was a disaster. Terrible multiplayer, lag worse than Socom II, and the campaign had the AI running around like retarded monkeys. All of that I just listed makes it equal out to a pretty terrible gaming experience. Facts, what facts did you state exactly? Accusations such as what? Fanboy? Big deal go cry to mommy. No I'm the definition of liking all three consoles equally because I don't talk trash about either systems. In all honesty I defend every system. I've played the Multiplayer of Halo 3, so does that count? I never played KZ2, but why does it even matter if I haven't played those titles? Have you? You're already claiming KZ2 to be better, so wtf are you talking about? I've owned both Halos and I've owned both Killzone titles, so what do I get now? a cookie? No you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about. You did label it, but worded differently. Wow big deal. I'm pretty good at reading between the lines young one. It was a terrible FPS (Killzone).

I agree completely with that observation. I don't understand why people are saying, "Killzone 2 is the PS3's killer app"... Yeah, I remember when the Official PlayStation Magazine ran a seven page piece on the first Killzone, extolling it as THE Halo killer. They're no longer in publication, by the way. The first Killzone was at best a time-killer... Nothing to "push the envelope". Just because a game looks amazing, doesn't mean it'll play amazing. And I'm willing to wager that Killzone 2 will be Sony's last miserable failure.

[Jay Gee]

Considering that Guerilla took a step forward with Liberation, I don't see them taking a step back with KZPS3. And harshly judging an alpha build AI system is just stupid, honestly.

[edoshin]

Maybe cuz we are talking about KZ2, not KZ, and what we've seen is simply mind blowing? Its really all that simple.

[Kronz]

Considering that Guerilla took a step forward with Liberation, I don't see them taking a step back with KZPS3. And harshly judging an alpha build AI system is just stupid, honestly.

And what in the world could possess a developer to use an "alpha build AI" in a completed game?

[<3frosty]

The KillzonePS2 multiplayer was far from terrible. It didn't have as many modes as Halo, but the modes it did have were fun to play. Assaults, Defend and Destroy, and Supply Drop are different types that can be fun to play. Some of the maps weren't tested well enough for them, and turned out to have a negative effect on them, but aside from that, the multiplayer, even being considered "stripped down" by most, is still fun to play to this day. So yeah, just saying "multiplayer was terrible" and not giving evidence to prove that point is beyond retarded.

he said it lagged worse then s2, and indeed it did. That alone is enough to simply say that the multiplayer was terrible. BTW, its beyond retarded to say someone is retarded for not going into the particular reason when not asked to. You wanna know why he thought it was terrible? ASK HIM. Dont call him retarded because he didnt please you. :thumbl:


And Apple, although i agree with almost every point you made, i dont feel the hardware was the only factor that held back Killzone. The AI suffered from massive bugs and glitches and wasn't that smart to begin with. I blame that more on the designers, not the system. I have seen better looking games run without a single hitch really on the PS2 and not lag nearly as bad.

The enemy designs, and the artistic design overall were really good. I also liked alot of the weapons and sound effects. But otherwise, it felt like the designers were the ones holding the game back in the other areas. We will see how this KZ plays.

[Jay Gee]

The lag on KZ only just recently became an issue. I average 30+ kills per game online, and it's only been recently (last year, to be exact) that I had trouble killing someone online due to lag. Otherwise, the game moves around at the same framerate as the campaign (for better or worse). So, he's wrong. I have no idea how long he played it, but it wasn't long enough for him to make a proper judgment.
BTW, its beyond retarded to say someone is retarded for not going into the particular reason when not asked to.
This is incredible. Are you serious? If you're going to come into this room for the sole purpose of bashing a game that's fucking 4 years old, NOT having your facts straight is just pathetic. It's not a question of him pleasing me, but for him to at least look credible.

[<3frosty]

When i played the game, and everytime i got on for shits and giggles from there after, it lagged. ALOT. Anytime something big would happen, it would slow down.

I played the game the day it came out. And for about a month on. Stopped cuz it sucked. Im not a big fan of it having hitches while nothing but a few gunshots go off.


Maybe you played it during better times, or maybe they fixed it a year after its release. My experience was not good with the game. Just because it ran without a hitch for you does not mean others had the same gameplay experience.

[Jay Gee]

The ONLY time I ever saw an online game slow down to a crawl was when a person would use the SMG glitch to fire out a shitload of rockets. That many explosions damn near boots everybody out of the room. Anything else that's considered normal online gameplay does NOT lag regularly. You made your judgment over the span of a month. Not long enough. Damn near every online game has glitches and the like that need to be ironed out. If everybody were like you, online gaming wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

[section]

you sony fanboys are too linear to enjoy other consoles, so you stick with one.
to be happy, we must not be too concerned with others
- Albert Camus

[jako]

Is the conference dowloadable in a good quality somewhere ?

Has Forsty posted his coverage of this conference ?

I tried to watch it on gamespot but for some reason I don't have any sound.

[<3frosty]

The ONLY time I ever saw an online game slow down to a crawl was when a person would use the SMG glitch to fire out a shitload of rockets. That many explosions damn near boots everybody out of the room. Anything else that's considered normal online gameplay does NOT lag regularly. You made your judgment over the span of a month. Not long enough. Damn near every online game has glitches and the like that need to be ironed out. If everybody were like you, online gaming wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

It really takes a month to iron out lag? I'm not talking about it slowing down to a crawl. Im talking about people skipping around, im talking about playing in a room with 6 people and seeing someone and then they would be behind me, shooting me in the back. Various issues like this, though small, over time and with high frequency, made a big deal.

I have played numerous games online in the first month and haven't seen many issues like lag, carry on for a month.

And guess what, Socom 1 had me logging more hours then i have ever logged on a video game in my life. Socom 2 also saw me log PLENTY of hours, and S3 saw its fair share of hours. All games didn't necessarily run without a hitch, but i didn't see FREQUENT spikes in lag over a span of a month in any of the games besides during wars really, and that was only with select maps. So yes, im sure if more people were like me, online wouldn't have a leg to stand on, right? PLEASE.

[Jay Gee]

LOL @ you catching feelings over spawn kills. And ppl skipping around the room isn't a product of the server most of the time. It's more than likely their connection. I have buddies with routers who play online while downloading music at the same time. That has them skipping across the map horribly. I've seen this happen on R&C: UYA, QIII Arena, and Resistance. That comes with the territory. You can either deal with it or go cry about it. I can hop into a Park Assault right now with 8 ppl on both sides and watch EVERYBODY move around the way they're supposed to. High frequency, my ass.

I have played numerous games online in the first month and haven't seen many issues like lag, carry on for a month.
Bullshit.

[liahos1]

Hey all,

I've been reading these threads for quite some time now (since the KZ2 E3 video came out in 2005) and I finally decided to post. Being an owner of a 360 and PS3 I have to say Sony really hit the ball out of the park during E3...i dont think I even bothered watching the MS or Nintendo conference...I woke up extra early to watch KZ2 demo instead..skipped Nintendo's conf and waited for Sony...and man was that a glorious experience...

For the first time since owning both the 360 and ps3 I am genuinely excited about getting games like Uncharted, KZ2, MGS4, LAIR and Heavenly Sword and getting access to HOME...Sony is bringing me back to the days before N64 came out and I was losing sleep waiting for Mario 64...MSFT has never really done that for me...

I've shown all my friends these videos (KZ2, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted etc) along with some Planet Earth BD clips on my 1080p set and these doods went out to JandR and bought PS3s...its such a great system...Can't wait to see what else sony has up their sleeves.

Anyway hope to be a more active poster in the future.

[<3frosty]

LOL @ you catching feelings over spawn kills. And ppl skipping around the room isn't a product of the server most of the time. It's more than likely their connection. I have buddies with routers who play online while downloading music at the same time. That has them skipping across the map horribly. I've seen this happen on R&C: UYA, QIII Arena, and Resistance. That comes with the territory. You can either deal with it or go cry about it. I can hop into a Park Assault right now with 8 ppl on both sides and watch EVERYBODY move around the way they're supposed to. High frequency, my ass.


Bullshit.

Okey dokey! Yes, your right, im wrong. Yes. :thumbl:

BTW, those arent spawn kills. Those are people running into a room while im shooting back and they warp around me.

[VG Aficionado]

Hey all,

I've been reading these threads for quite some time now (since the KZ2 E3 video came out in 2005) and I finally decided to post. Being an owner of a 360 and PS3 I have to say Sony really hit the ball out of the park during E3...i dont think I even bothered watching the MS or Nintendo conference...I woke up extra early to watch KZ2 demo instead..skipped Nintendo's conf and waited for Sony...and man was that a glorious experience...

For the first time since owning both the 360 and ps3 I am genuinely excited about getting games like Uncharted, KZ2, MGS4, LAIR and Heavenly Sword and getting access to HOME...Sony is bringing me back to the days before N64 came out and I was losing sleep waiting for Mario 64...MSFT has never really done that for me...

I've shown all my friends these videos (KZ2, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted etc) along with some Planet Earth BD clips on my 1080p set and these doods went out to JandR and bought PS3s...its such a great system...Can't wait to see what else sony has up their sleeves.

Anyway hope to be a more active poster in the future.Welcome, man :) I hope you have a great time discussing PS3 and other stuff with us!

One of the best things about E3 and other events is that we sometimes get valuable members, and I think the amazing Sony E3 conference yesterday will encourage great people to join us :hugegrin:

C'mon guests, join us!

[Sephiroth_VII]

Killzone 2 hands-on. (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1599351&postcount=378) That should eliminate any qualms about the gameplay. :p

EDIT: Welcome liahos! Are you an MGS fan, or...?
Glad to hear that you also enjoyed Planet Earth. Amazing footage, isn't it?

[<3frosty]

Killzone 2 hands-on. (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1599351&postcount=378) That should eliminate any qualms about the gameplay. :p

EDIT: Welcome liahos! Are you an MGS fan, or...?
Glad to hear that you also enjoyed Planet Earth. Amazing footage, isn't it?

He mentioned Planet Earth on BD? I thought Discovery was only providing them on DVD for the time being? It was amazing footage and on a nice, big, HDTV looks amazing.

[VG Aficionado]

He mentioned Planet Earth on BD? I thought Discovery was only providing them on DVD for the time being? It was amazing footage and on a nice, big, HDTV looks amazing.It's available in Blu-ray and it rocks. Believe me, I have it and I can prove it :-p

[<3frosty]

It's available in Blu-ray and it rocks. Believe me, I have it and I can prove it :-p

Is it alot more vs DVD?

[VG Aficionado]

Is it alot more vs DVD?It's like night and day, man. 6 times more resolution.

[<3frosty]

It's like night and day, man. 6 times more resolution.

:spit:

I know the difference in resolution between blu-ray and DVD. Im talking about the price.

[VG Aficionado]

Well, that wasn't so clear for a non-native English speaker :susp:

I don't know, I had to import it. But whatever the price difference is, it's totally worth it because it wasn't expensive anyway.

[liahos1]

:spit:

I know the difference in resolution between blu-ray and DVD. Im talking about the price.

I think the difference where I bought it (JandR) was like 15 bucks. Its really ridiculous..I would argue its the perfect BD showcase for your PS3/HDTV. Apocalypto would be a close second.

Anyways back to E3. I'm still getting the hang of how to post replies and I think somebody had asked me if I'm an MGS fan. I certainly am but I just got into the MGS series after MGS2 came out so I guess I'm not as hardcore as some.

But man I can not wait for KZ2. Hate to flamebait but I own Gears and I have to say to anyone who would argue that Gears looks better than KZ2 or about the same - ARE YOU BLIND!!!

Gears like many UE-derived games I've been looking at just looks silly fake - plastic lego men....KZ2 looks so much better. I feel that everytime I play gears there are a ton of visual tricks and shortcuts being taken that reduce the overall experience (at least for me) whereas from what I saw of the trailer and gameplay for KZ2 I did not get that sense. There were a number of small nuances in that trailer that contributed to the type of next-gen experience I have been waiting for. I was so excited after I saw that trailer I think I Im'ed it to like 10 of my xbot buddies

I watched it last night after downloading from PSN frame by frame and what really hits you is what a technical achievements of the game.. Did anyone catch how realistically that wooden box was destroyed up after the helghast with the gatling gun shot at it? You dont get that in gears...same with the column destruction and did anyone notice how the bullets eventually penetrated cover barriers...how the lightning envelopes the screen as one of the carriers is blown up in the intro...the motion blur as the carrier landed...that stuff was crazy and I honestly did not think it would be that good...I said to myself - if I were looking at this game for the first time without any preconcieved notion of what KZ2's e32005 video was...i would swear that the game was not real-time...I really am looking forward to this..

[OmniCloud]

As we cautiously picked our way through the ground combat's opening moments, game director Mathijs de Jonge gave us the first official explanation of the game's cover system, which many of our observant peers picked up on during the Tuesday evening previews. You can always simply crouch behind obstacles, as you would in any other shooter, but Guerrilla has added something extra. When you hit L2 near cover, the game puts you into cover mode. Once you're in cover, you can use the left analog stick to pop up, lean left or lean right to take precise aim at your Helghan enemies. Alternatively, you can blindfire by simply pulling the trigger (R2) on your weapon. You're completely safe behind non-erodable cover as long as the enemy is on the same plane as you; if they've got the high ground, they can hit you if they have the right angle. We didn't ask Guerrilla directly whether the use of cover would be all-but-mandatory, as with Gears of War, or optional; regardless, it adds a tactical element to the game that fits seamlessly with the Killzone mythos. Overall, the cover mechanic works extremely well, without ever having to switch the gamer into a third-person view as does Ubisoft's Rainbow Six Vegas, and we won't be surprised when we see a number of Guerrilla's peers paying homage to borrowing stealing this idea after they get their hands on it.

We also appreciated Guerrilla's decision to go with a minimal amount of screen clutter. Right now, all you'll see onscreen is the aiming reticule and an ammo counter. Don't expect to see the ammo counter in the final product, however. Guerrilla wants to eliminate the HUD entirely by putting the ammo readout on the weapons themselves, as certain other games do with some of their weapons. (One thing we missed from the first Killzone was the visual countdown system that let you see how long your grenade had been "cooked" before you threw it--right now, hitting R1 just throws the grenades with a not-particularly-interesting animation--so we're crossing our fingers hoping that they'll bring the Killzone 1 grenades back.) The health system is similar to games like King Kong and Gears of War: you can take a few shots without any problem, but once you start taking a significant amount of damage, the screen shifts to a striking black and white filter, warning you to take cover. It's simple, it's distinctive, and it works.

The other moment worth highlighting from our hands-on time was our confrontation with the level's mini-boss, an armored Helghan heavy gunner who shares a passing resemblance--and an equally high intimidation factor--with the Big Daddy enemies in Irrational Games' BioShock. Like the mini-bosses of old, there's a trick to killing him, which is to shoot the energy pack on his back until it explodes. You can try to flank him while your AI-controlled squadmate Rico engages him from the front, or you can shoot his visor, which causes him to turn around, briefly exposing his energy pack to the rat-tat-tat of your assault rifle. We couldn't kill him to save our lives, but it was a pulse-quickening enough firefight that we gave it a good ten or so consecutive attempts before finally asking de Jonge to take care of him so that we could continue on with the demo. Unfortunately, we weren't able to get much further than that before our hands-on time came to an end.

If we have a single reservation right now, it's about the level of recoil that Guerrilla has implemented on the weapons. We know that Guerrilla has months to go before they have to bear down and properly tune the game; still, we found ourselves babying the aiming reticule in order to compensate for the amount of drift from each burst of fire. We know from the time that we've spent with the folks from Guerrilla in the past that they're interested in a sense of heightened realism when it comes to their weapons--that's why there aren't any laser guns or energy blades--and we're certainly willing to attribute this to our poor aim or easily panicked demeanor when confronted by waves of armed Helghast. But we suspect that Halo-weaned masses will want to be able to hold down their triggers just a wee bit longer before the reticule starts rising. Nevertheless, we were thoroughly impressed with our single-player hands-on time with Killzone, particularly the first-person cover mechanic, which we provides an excellent tactical option for more deliberate gamers like ourselves, who prefer to hang back rather than rush ahead. If the company continues to design enemy encounters around the optional use of cover, it bodes well for Killzone 2's future depth and replayability.


It seems that the gameplay may live up to Killzone graphics as well fellas...

I'd say wait and see on this one...i mean, it's not like these guys have never played Halo/Call of duty/Half-life before...

[curryking1]

Once you're in cover, you can use the left analog stick to pop up, lean left or lean right to take precise aim at your Helghan enemies.

Is it just me or is this not a very fine place to use tilting :P

Besides that, I love the idea. Hugging cover and leaning is something I think will be great for KZ since it's a little tactical on the side :)

[Bsack]

So yeah, just saying "multiplayer was terrible" and not giving evidence to prove that point is beyond retarded.

I asked if people wanted me to supply evidence at the time, but nobody responded to that. Controls were clunky, guns for the most part were uneven (especially the sniper rifle), rocket launchers galore, took more than a million bullets to kill somebody, shotguns were pretty much the weapon of choice, damn do I really need to say more? I also did state a few reasons on why the multiplayer and campaign were bad previous to this post. It's obvious you didn't read my whole post. The game was terrible and you merely just turned a blind eye because there was nothing really mind blowing to play online at the time. Sure there was socom, but that sucked also. Want me to go on and list why socom sucked now? Give me a break pal.

I also wasn't comparing this to KZ2 or even saying anything in reference to KZ2 as far as comparisons go. I merely said that people said the same thing Ivory_Soul said about Killzone 1 (Back in the day) being the Halo Killer. Please go read my post!

[Ivory_Soul]

I am calm. Saying stuff regarding what? Second of all it was a disaster. Terrible multiplayer, lag worse than Socom II, and the campaign had the AI running around like retarded monkeys. All of that I just listed makes it equal out to a pretty terrible gaming experience. Facts, what facts did you state exactly? Accusations such as what? Fanboy? Big deal go cry to mommy. No I'm the definition of liking all three consoles equally because I don't talk trash about either systems. In all honesty I defend every system. I've played the Multiplayer of Halo 3, so does that count? I never played KZ2, but why does it even matter if I haven't played those titles? Have you? You're already claiming KZ2 to be better, so wtf are you talking about? I've owned both Halos and I've owned both Killzone titles, so what do I get now? a cookie? No you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about. You did label it, but worded differently. Wow big deal. I'm pretty good at reading between the lines young one. It was a terrible FPS (Killzone).

You sound just like my mom Bsack and since I'm mature I'm not going to respond with an immature comment, I'm just going to ignore you, and pretend you're not there. You need anger management or something dude. And you didn't seem too calm in that post you're extremely rude and since you're older aren't you supposed to be the mature one?....plus didn't you say you play games because they're FUN and not to degrade games by what they are (or something like that)? Well I thought Killzone was FUN. I'm not here to get you Bsack if you think Killzone was bad that's ok and it isn't "factual" that it was bad. Many people think that because they THINK a game is bad when it isn't. I hated Halo for so long before I got a 360 but I didn't think it was bad. I don't like the Sims at all since I can't get into but I don't think it's bad. The fact is Halo is good and the Sims is good but I don't like it. Guerilla tried really hard and they spent lots of hours and money on that game. I've had many issues with you in the past Bsack and I'm kind of getting sick of it. Please think about what you say before you say it. Don't you think that maybe that stuff you say may hurt my feelings? Who's immature now?


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So yeah, just saying "multiplayer was terrible" and not giving evidence to prove that point is beyond retarded.
I asked if people wanted me to supply evidence at the time, but nobody responded to that. Controls were clunky, guns for the most part were uneven (especially the sniper rifle), rocket launchers galore, took more than a million bullets to kill somebody, shotguns were pretty much the weapon of choice, damn do I really need to say more? I also did state a few reasons on why the multiplayer and campaign were bad previous to this post. It's obvious you didn't read my whole post. The game was terrible and you merely just turned a blind eye because there was nothing really mind blowing to play online at the time. Sure there was socom, but that sucked also. Want me to go on and list why socom sucked now? Give me a break pal.

I also wasn't comparing this to KZ2 or even saying anything in reference to KZ2 as far as comparisons go. I merely said that people said the same thing Ivory_Soul said about Killzone 1 (Back in the day) being the Halo Killer. Please go read my post!

NO ONE CARES!

Anyways I hope KZ2 is $60 like all the other games. I mean I read an article ages ago and Sony has given them $30 something mill so far to make this game.

[yoshaw]

Is it just me or is this not a very fine place to use tilting :P

Besides that, I love the idea. Hugging cover and leaning is something I think will be great for KZ since it's a little tactical on the side :)

Yup, I can imagine tilting to go out of cover n shoot. You've played Killzone:Liberation Curry? If you have, you'd know that the cover mechanism in that game was a step on par(or above) from Rainbow6Vegas, IMO!

Knowing that Killzone2 for PS3 will be utilizing an advanced version of the same cover system. I'm psyched beyond words. It's like having the best of both Gears and Rainbow Six combined with the awesomeness that was the Kz:Liberation cover system. Reading newsweek's report on the new cover system also adds more to the proof.

Guerilla tried really hard and they spent lots of hours and money on that game.

There may be naysayers in the thread trying to bring up old old shit just to entertain themselves a presumed failure for Killzone2. Yet wouldn't be so long before the blinders get removed from their eyes. Guerrilla being the 1st party from Sony and under the careful watch of SCEWWS, housing talented developers of God of War, Socom & Warhawk. Then there are the PS3 programming info sharing gods at Insomniac and Naughty Dog. Not to mention a $40million+ budget.

For anyone to bring up past's shit as if these present facts don't exist for Guerrilla's help, is beyond retarded!

[VG Aficionado]

For those who don't want to read through the whole thread, here's my summary:

So awesome.

[Ivory_Soul]

There may be naysayers in the thread trying to bring up old old shit just to entertain themselves a presumed failure for Killzone2. Yet wouldn't be so long before the blinders get removed from their eyes. Guerrilla being the 1st party from Sony and under the careful watch of SCEWWS, housing talented developers of God of War, Socom & Warhawk. Then there are the PS3 programming info sharing gods at Insomniac and Naughty Dog. Not to mention a $40million+ budget.

For anyone to bring up past's shit as if these present facts don't exist for Guerrilla's help, is beyond retarded!

Amen to that! I wish people would stop bringing up shit about KZ1. Guerilla learned from their mistakes and is trying hard again. Give them a second chance. People like *cough* Bsack *cough* are the naysayers who are just waving a wand at wishful thinking and trying to put everyone down. It's ALL because of Halo. For some reason Halo put a magical trance on people and repeated in their head "Killzone sUCk5!!$##!" I just don't get it to be honest. Killzone was a pretty damn good FPS and Guerilla tried hard. It's ONLY KZ you don't hear that about any other FPS just Killzone and Guerilla (I REMEMBER THIS DISTINCTLY) in an OPM interview said outright "WE WERE NOT TRYING TO KILL HALO!!!" Everyone just labeled that because it was Sony's first party FPS LIKE Halo and everyone said "ZOMG Ha10 K1ll3R!!#@!!" And of course like the Joe Six Pack breeders that MS is decided to jump on it and start bashing KZ as well. You didn't see Nintendo doing that did you? No that's because the guys who run MS are Joe Six Packs. Nintendo actually was very mature about it and knew Metroid was a good stand out FPS. Why did MS do this? Because if it wasn't for Halo the Xbox would be another 3DO and Jaguar my good friends. Plain and simple.

Like someone pointed out in another thread (forgot who it was!) KZ sold 2 million and is a Greatest Hits title and got a 7-8 score average. The only people who gave it low scores were *drum roll* DIE HARD HALO FANS!!! What a freakin' surprise there. I'm not saying Halo sucks and Bsack I'm NOT an avid Sony fan! I'm just saying Halo has gotten a bit...what's the word...assanine now. I mean a Halo 360? C'mon you don't see Sony making a Killzone PS3 or a God of War PS2 (that would be pretty cool though).

[Applefiend]

Actually this time around, going by that trailer, they're trying to kill Halo. :)

[masteratt]

If HALO KILLER stuff starts again, I'm burning the internet guys.

So watch out.

[VG Aficionado]

But it's true that Killzone got more (and deserved) attention than Halo at E3.

[Z]

true. the trailer overshadowed everything else. heck, some say it overshadowed MGS4 *like me*. lol
the gameplay also looks great since they actually played it in front of everybody. even in this stage, the game ran without frame rate and other problems. the actual play through had a couple of loading times between portions of the level, but the devs said by the time the game is finished, it'll use streaming and there will be no loading screens for the entire level.

but, this is still not a reason for me to compare games from different platforms. since Halo and others aren't on PS3, I don't see the point in comparing them.

PS. it amazes me that the demo was so polished that nobody could tear it apart negatively. I am not seeing any articles on 'problems' or 'limitations' on the demo. and even though I say people shouldn't look at the negative side when viewing early builds since that is not the point of showing a game this early, we should be looking at what a game offers, still, given all that surrounds Killzone 2, you would think the press would be ready to tear it apart. instead, quite the contrary. :)

[Ivory_Soul]

Yes I'm actually one of the people who won't compare KZ2 to Halo. They are totally separate games with different goals and everything. KZ is another great FPS...nuf said.