s2000

[disrupter006]

Is this car comparable (quarter mile) race wise to an Eagle Talon? Is the car worth getting if I want something quick but somethign thats not a vett?

[Xer0]

Uh, didnt you just get a Civic DX auto not too long ago? If so, the S2000 should be one of the last cars you should be looking at as it is a pretty single minded car with only the track on its list of what its good at.

[disrupter006]

I'm bored and enjoy looking at cars...shoot me :P lol. Actually I figured that's the answer I'd get ...civic SI's still look great to me...pretty good all around car (unless you all know somethign I don't).

[speed stick]

Its a nice car but has a huge cost. Its 50/50 balance. I'd definitely get a different car before that one though. The only version I would consider is the newer one that has the hardtop rather then the soft top. I hate convertibles.

[disrupter006]

I wouldn't mind buying either a S2000, Civic SI, or just making my DX into something of those 2 cars engine wise. I already have the exterior pretty much completed. I will post pictures as soon as I take them...it was bone stock when I got it.

[speed stick]

You should look into the cost of an H22a4 engine swap into your civic. Its not really worth fixing your SOHC engine up. Use a Prelude engine if you want power. Cost a lot and takes a lot of effort but it might be a good idea if you real power thats possible in your car. Thats the same engine that I have BTW, but its not cheap. 200hp on 2.2L stock, DOHC and VTEC btw FTW :)

[goku2057]

Engine swap into an awfulmatic? Ghey.

If you are getting one of those cars, you really have to get them in manual. S2000's are nice, but they aren't very fast unless you're higher into the RPM's. granted, it redlines at about 9 grand, so you have a lot of higher RPM's but the tork is lame. To get it to really go, you have to have a very aggressive launch.

Si's are nice, new versions over the older ones, obviously, more power, etc. The newer Si's are actually pretty chipper. Once you hit about 6 grand, shit takes off like a cheetah. I think it redlines at about 8 ish.


Engine swap is another way to go, but you have to think about this. You have an automatic, and cars like the Si's and S2000's are meant for manuals.

Also, the Si's and S2000's have more than just power over you, they have sport tuned (it sounds so lame, I know) suspension. IE; springs are stiffer, and just all around better suspension in general. It would cost more to make your car a Si than to just buy an Si.

[Xer0]

Okay, a few things

First, if straight line performance was a priority then the Civic DX is not the right car. Although it can be a decent Auto-cross car because of its light wieght

Second, the S2000 and Si both have something that your Civic doesnt in order to manage their power, RWD and an LSD respectively. So if you were to pump up that Civic an extra 100 hp or so, figure you would get a healthy amount of no fun torque steer

Third, going fast in a straight line isnt the end all be all, get a nice set of tires and a better exhaust and you will have made your car 10x's more fun easily.

Fourth, as Goku mentioned, the S2000 and Si engines are made for one transmition and one trans only, a 6 speed manual not a 4 spd auto. Not to mention that that Auto probably has REALLY tall gearing in order to achieve fuel economy (since it is that cars main purpose) where the Si and S2000 trans has really short gearing to make due with their narrow power curve (the Si makes peak power at 7800 RPM and redlines at 8000, yep, only 200 RPM to play with). so in the end you really wont feel much of a difference.

Fifth, unless you are dedicated to it, thats an old car that you are going to dump no joke 20 grand without breaking a sweat that you arent going to recover.

[disrupter006]

My car looks great and is fun as is. That being said I guess I will pay it off and then start saving in between college years to purchase an Si. Thanks for the input guys. If I can, I'll take some phone pictures and upload them tonight to get your professional opinions.

[goku2057]

Second, the S2000 and Si both have something that your Civic doesnt in order to manage their power, RWD and an LSD respectively. So if you were to pump up that Civic an extra 100 hp or so, figure you would get a healthy amount of no fun torque steer



Say huh? The Si isn't RWD, is it? I know it has an LSD, bu...yeah. I was pretty sure it was FWD, unless it changed recently. I could be mistaken.

LSD's aren't even that expensive anymore, really. Still maybe 200-300 bucks for a good one. I've been looking at exhaust for my 2004 Civic, and I'm really disgusted. I'll be spending 200-300 bucks and only getting about 10-15 extra ponies out of it. I suppose if I match it with a CAI I may get a little more, though.

[The Dude]

Is this car comparable (quarter mile) race wise to an Eagle Talon? Is the car worth getting if I want something quick but somethign thats not a vett?

What kind of Talon?

ESI
TSI
TSI AWD?

there is a huge difference between the turbo and n/a ones

[disrupter006]

With turbo...I still would like to make this car quicker engine wise...maybe even an H22...I'm going to have it for quite some time.

[goku2057]

Do you know how much an engine swap costs? It costs a decent amount.

I wouldn't dump that into a Civic DX. Use the money you would use on an engine swap to get a better car.

[Xer0]

Say huh? The Si isn't RWD, is it? I know it has an LSD, bu...yeah. I was pretty sure it was FWD, unless it changed recently. I could be mistaken.


I ment that the S2000 has RWD and the Si has the LSD. The Si is still FWD.

Those old TSI AWD Talons (and their Eclipse GSX brethren) were unbelievably fast, even by today standards. If i recal, they ran something like mid to high 14's, which is insane.

[disrupter006]

A friend of mine owns an AWD turbo'd talon...yes its fast as fuck...but I've never rode in a Civic SI (newer) to compare the difference...

I assume that Civic SI's depreciate a fair amount every year (not like a ford taurus or anything but yea) ...How much do you think the 07 or 06 SI's will be in the coming years?

Also, is there any news of Honda making a new body style of Civic SI? If so I'd just wait for that...i like having new *shrug*...

[speed stick]

Civic Si's don't depreciate fast. They take a long time. And yes, an engine swap would cost a lot of money. You gotta include the tranny in there as well. ECU ect....

[masonite]

if you can find a front cut it should bring the price down a fair bit, but even then theres labour. and if you go for a H22 forget about turbo'ing it (pretty much goes for any N/A motor) because the cost isn't worth it.

[goku2057]

Civic Si's depreciate slowly. Even slower than normal Civics.

Some N/A motors are worth it, though. Subaru 2.5RS's, for one.

[disrupter006]

What is NA? Non American? North American?

[Xer0]

Natrually aspirated, ie, no force induction.

[cpiasminc]

I've been looking at exhaust for my 2004 Civic, and I'm really disgusted. I'll be spending 200-300 bucks and only getting about 10-15 extra ponies out of it. I suppose if I match it with a CAI I may get a little more, though.
I can't imagine you'd have been expecting more? 10-15 is a lot considering the baseline of something like 115-120... The part that's painful is that even with exhaust and a CAI, the gain may be something meaningful at peak where VTEC kicks in, but it'll be less than 3 hp difference throughout the rest of the range.

The only thing I kind of like about exhaust/intake upgrades is that if your driving habits don't change, you can gain both power AND fuel economy. But for all that, you won't really make it back over the lifespan of the car. And you get an increase in noise levels.

[goku2057]

I'm not too worried about the gas consumption. I'm pulling a whopping 127hp. When I kick the air on, it feels like I gained 400 pounds. I just want a few more ponies so I feel more comfortable driving it.

Also, i r teh have no VTEC.