Tretton: Wii is a Lollopop (lol)

[cliffbo]

Feature: Sony's Jack Tretton: Wii is a "lollipop", 360 an "unreliable cook"
Feature by Vicious Sid | 07/17/2007 | 14:12:51 PM PST

GamePro's Vicious Sid recently sat down with Sony Computer Entertainment's Jack Tretton at E3 to discuss the PSP, PS3, backward compatibility ...and how he would describe each game console as a meal. Insights galore!

GamePro: Before E3, there were all these rumors about the redesigned PSP so I have to admit I was a little let down when I heard it was only going to be thinner and lighter. When I got my hands on one, though, I was impressed...though it still seemed like an incremental improvement. Why go with this strategy instead of implementing a full redesign?

Jack Tretton: I think we're talking about a short period of time here. Playstation Portable has only been out for a couple of years, and I think it will continue to evolve over time. We are absolutely thrilled with the PSP and we love it. We think it's state-of-the-art technology and we think these improvements take that technology and just give you an updated form factor. But clearly we haven't abandoned the 25 million consumers that are fans of it.

I think one of the risks you run into when you get into [embedding flash memory into a new PSP model] is, what happens to the people who already bought it? And are you going to get the development community to make UMD based games? We have to make sure that anything we do, as far as the evolution of hardware, doesn't leave consumers behind. You can talk about price all day long, but if you don't get the features you need for the long term it's a bait and switch. The good news is you get the price you want and the bad news is the technology has been abandoned. I don't think we ever want to do that to consumers.

Speaking from a personal perspective, I'm not a terrific fan of the Wii. I think it's great for the industry, but it doesn't speak to me as a gamer. The technology is pretty limited and I think that in 2-3 years that it could go into this casual Tamagotchi kinda thing. It seems like a different industry almost. Could you speak to that and how you see the Wii and DS fitting into your philosophy?

JT: I would tend to agree with everything that you said. Let's talk about portable gaming since we were just on PSP. My view of portable gaming used to be little kids on airplanes playing to keep them quiet with software that was not comparable to a console experience. I think with the PSP we've taken that console experience and put it into the hands of consumers like you and me. Now you have an entertainment experience that appeals to someone other than a little kid. We've gotten it out there to the tune of 25 million consumers, and with our software offerings and pricing, we're starting to reach down to a younger consumer. I think it's much easier to reach down than to reach up. I really think we'll have the same degree of success with that strategy on portable that we had on the console.

On that note, let's shift gears to the PS3. You were talking about appealing to both casual and hardcore gamers, a sort of do-it-all approach. The PSP is almost a digital Swiss Army Knife, for instance. The PS3 is bleeding edge technology, but my sense is that some people are a little confused about it; is it a Blu-ray player, is it a computer, is it a gaming system? Is Sony still focused on gamers and do you think that message might be getting lost?

If you told me about something that was going to be the center of my living room, I wouldn't even look at it.
--Jack Tretton, CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America

JT: There are two pieces to that answer. We definitely have more of a challenge to educate consumers to everything the PlayStation 3 can do that hopefully justifies the price point and the investment for the consumers. I'll tell you my personal consumer experience. If you told me about something that was going to be the center of my living room I wouldn't even look at it. If you told me you've got the ultimate gaming system that would attract me.

I was personally very interested and couldn't wait to get a PS3 and take it home and hook it up to my TV and play the games. I did that and it took me about five minutes to start enjoying the games. But I found as a consumer, when I went and took pictures of my kids at the soccer games, I came home, and instead of putting the memory stick in my PC, I put it in my PS3 and had a slideshow up on my big-screen TV 15 minutes after I left my kids game. I couldn't do that on my PC. Then I popped a Blue-ray movie in there and I thought this is why I bought a HDTV. I'm paying $150 a month to Direct TV and I'm buying every goofy channel that I can get, and this is awesome that I'm going to be able to watch movies in HD. Then I bought a $1000 Sonas so could stream my music to my stereo system in my bedroom and down in my living room, and I thought wait a minute, all I need to do is rip my music to my PS3, it's already hooked up to my stereo. I don't need this stupid $1000 device I just bought. I started to back in to all these other uses. To me, for 600 bucks I'll do that all day long. I paid $1000 to get my digital music transferred from my PC to my stereo. I think that, as an average gamer, and I'm just one of them, how I would end up having the PS3 as the center of my living room.

So it's games first and then you end up backing into all of these other features?

JT: It's absolutely games first. That is a challenge because when you talk about an early line-up of products, you've got 30 or 35 games in the first 6-8 months to convert the non-hardcore gamer. The Playstation fan, the person who has studied the technology in the PS3, the person who went out and already bought it, they knew everything, knew why they were going to buy it from the start. But there are 100's of millions of consumers who need to understand what the PS3 does and why it costs what it costs. When we get that message across I think we'll end up with the masses. Clearly that job has just begun.

Do you see KillZone 2 as the Halo of PS3?

JT: I would never say it's our Halo. It's our KillZone. KillZone is a great game and what I'm most excited about is that it's living up to the promise we showed consumers long before the PS3 was ever done and before the first one ever hit the shelf. A lot of times companies are able to go up and make statements that they don't back up and nobody ever calls them on it. Certainly we received more than our fair share of criticism that said these no way you can make a game like that on any videogame system. I think people have seen the live code, and ultimately when consumers get their hands on it their jaws are going to be on the ground.

I've heard the new PS3 with the 80GB drive that comes with Motorstorm will not have the [PS2] Emotion Engine chip in them and it will use software emulation. Is this true and is that a strange situation to charge $100 for 20 more gigs of storage and a great game, but it's crippled in this one way? Or are you going to get software emulation really churning on that thing?

JT: I think the software emulation on it is extremely good. It's the same software emulation they have in Europe, and the backward compatibility on it is quite favorable. I think you have to look at it in terms of what we're asking consumers to pay additionally for, what they're getting for it, and what they would ultimately choose to do with it. They're getting 20GB more in hard drive space, and we all know our competitors sell a 20GB hard drive for $100, and they're getting a $60 game included. They're essentially getting $160 worth of value for $100. If you say yeah, they're losing the emotion engine and that it's really important to people, the emotion engine is in the 60GB version and it's $499. So decide whether you need 60GB or 80GB, whether you need the emotion engine or the software emulation, and make your decision accordingly. For consumers to whom the emotion engine is of paramount importance, the 60GB version is available.

Are you planning on continuing to offer a model that has an Emotion Engine down the road, or are you planning on faze out all hardware emulation?

JT: Right now those are the two models we offer. I can't predict the future, but that's the current plan.

Is Sony still interested in doing top-tier, top-shelf, top-quality games for the PS2 along the caliber of God of War, or are you ushering third parties off to it now?

JT: The honest answer is even though we have the largest development studios in the world, you're limited to the amount of games you can do and the number of platforms you can do it for. That being said, we are absolutely not abandoning PS2, and I think God of War II is a testament to that. The fact that this industry moves in light years, that game is a little over 90 days old, so it's not like, "Yeah, you had God of War II ten years ago." We only introduced it four months ago, and it's still selling well. It sold a million units in the first week. We are still really committed to it. Our two bread and butter franchises have been the God of War franchise, and in this market, the MLB franchise. You'll continue to see support on our sport franchises and you'll continue to see an evolution into the casual gaming audiences. You've got 160 games coming out for the PS2 this year, so PS2 consumers can rest assured that we plan on supporting it for a long time to come. As far as the PS2 is concerned, we're in year seven, and if that's any indication there's nothing to worry about.

How would you describe each current game console if you had to describe it as a meal or food?

JT: I probably couldn't do it objectively.

You don't need to be objective!

I think the PS3 is the Surf 'n Turf. You want the lobster and steak and you're going to give yourself the treat of getting the best thing on the menu. The PS2 is your favorite burger restaurant -- you go there for comfort food and it's just always good and is a good value.

[As for the other two consoles], one [Wii] is a lollipop, and I'm too old for lollipops. The other one [Xbox 360] I get sick from once in a while because the cook isn't always reliable.

LAUGHTER

Concerning Microsoft's hardware failure, does that show that they don't have the experience in the hardware sector that Sony does?

JT: We stand by the product quality in the PS3. We think we built a tremendous device that stands the test of time. I think they way it's holding up in the consumers hands is proof that we built a great machine.


http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/features/122948.shtml

[jaxmkii]

Surf And Turf! Ftw!!!

[VG Aficionado]

This thread needs a title change.

[Fats]

Oh Tretton, how you SLAY me! I don't think that I've heard such an analogy before! Yey for originality!

[Applefiend]

I kinda like him, he reminds me of Jimmy Hoffa. Hope he doesn't wind up in an overpass.

[Viper]

One corporate exec being asked questions about their competition is the dumbest kind of interview imaginable.

WTF do you expect him to say?

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah. Just look at Moore's interviews. Until now :evillaugh

[Fats]

I'm fed up with the majority of it. Fed up!

Save this shit for the Playground!

[masteratt]

I felt he didn't fall for the flame trap which was decent of him (referring to last question).

Is this the guy I hated because of his previous stupid interviews?
If so, he sure changed in a gaood way.

Very entertaining read (though repeates lots of known points).

[cliffbo]

i like Tretton. he's straight up and came over really well at E3

[makeitlookreal]

I think he is right. Technologically the Wii is very limited. The PS3 on the other hand is using cutting edge technology with the CELL, Blu-ray drive, Flex IO, and to a lesser extent the RSX (which is much better than the Wii's GPU but I would not call it cutting edge).

I think the PS3 will "wow" people for much longer than the Wii. The Wii will produce popular games of course. It will probably do so for a few years. But I think five years from now when PS3 games really start lagging behind PC games that the Wii is going to look really ancient technologically.

[VideoGame mania]

Don't these guys have a job ? too much throwing bs at each other.
Focus on your system and stfu.

[Viper]

Damn it people, the Wii already looks outdated. Looking outdated in 2-3 years will be no different than looking outdated right now. Why is this so damn hard to understand? No one buys it for the looks. OK?

[Fats]

It's MILR Viper.

MILR.

[masteratt]

Don't these guys have a job ? too much throwing bs at each other.
Focus on your system and stfu.
You haven't read the interview have you?....

He is not throwing BS- He was asked to describe the other consoles as food or meal (lol, amusing idea) and that's the only time he mentiones the other consoles.

[cliffbo]

It's MILR Viper.

MILR.

LOLOLOLL!!!!!!!! your cracking me up Fats...

[makeitlookreal]

Looking out dated in a few years will be even worse. Why? Because imagine the great looking games that will be out by then on PCs. For example, Alan Wake should be out blowing people away.

The Wii graphics would have looked fantastic five years ago. Today they look outdated. A few years from now they will look tremendously outdated. The PS3's graphics will too, but to a lesser extent.

[Fats]

http://www.doctorpundit.com/images/uploads/khan.jpg

"But... MILR... That's... Not... Why... People... Buy... A... Wii..."

[VideoGame mania]

You haven't read the interview have you?....

He is not throwing BS- He was asked to describe the other consoles as food or meal (lol, amusing idea) and that's the only time he mentiones the other consoles.


He is trying to be funny, but it's not working.
I don't know why he is wasting time with stupid jokes and not working with 3rd parties on PSN demos.
Deep inside they all hate each other, they live to compete.

[cliffbo]

http://www.doctorpundit.com/images/uploads/khan.jpg

"But... MILR... That's... Not... Why... People... Buy... A... Wii..."

LOLOLOPLOOKOOLOLOLOLOakjsdhfasdf aod fasdfoasdfoiasjdfijasdfjiasjdfiajsdf!!"!"!"!"£!"£!"£ 3 40r q34i 34 r3q...........

[Applefiend]

Yeah but Wii is intended for the non gamers who don't know their Ratchet and Clank up your Arsenal from their Halo MILR. The full horror of that grows clearer to me with every month that passes. :(

[Viper]

That's my point. They already look tremendously outdated and no one cares. Why suddenly will people care in 2-3 years when it still looks, you guessed it, outdated?

Is there a switch we're all looking for? A specific polygon count that is just going to create a mass exodus from Wii? Is that it? At 1 million polys per character is everyone going to be hypnotized to the point that anything below that is just simply not worth the package they come in?


Did I just read the interviewer interjecting personal opinion and using leading questions? GamePro has really sunk low with this guy.

[cliffbo]

stay out of it Fats....

[makeitlookreal]

KIrk! Captain Kirk! My favorite Star Trek Captain of all time!

Thanks for posting that picture! William Shatner rules!

Anyway, back to the topic....

My opinion is that right now at least some people are purchasing a Wii because the graphics are comparable to last gen systems. I think some of these people will become less satisfied with Wii graphics a few years from now.

Of course you are right that some people don't care at all about graphics. That is true.

But I think that overall the Wii will suffer from systems like the PS3 and PCs producing better games in the future.

[Fats]

Yeah, I've had my share.

Night folks.

[Viper]

My opinion is that right now at least some people are purchasing a Wii because the graphics are comparable to last gen systems.

a...aha....ahahaha.....wow. MILR, you really believe this?

[masteratt]

C'mon there is a reason GT is one of the best selling games of all time (hint: graphics).

[Applefiend]

MILR, for the last time, the Wii dudes don't want Pixar graphics they want to flap their arms about like a headless chicken. :)

[cliffbo]

i think he's referring to nostalgia

[makeitlookreal]

Viper,

I think we will be hitting that critical point very soon. There are certain games like Drake's Fortune, MGS4, and Killzone 2 that just look spectacular. You cannot compare them to Wii games or last gen games. However, those games will only be the start. I think as games on PCs and for at least a little while on the PS3 keep getting better that *some* people will start drifting away from the Wii.

[cliffbo]

MILR, for the last time, the Wii dudes don't want Pixar graphics they want to flap their arms about like a headless chicken. :)

LOLOLOLOL when was the last time you say a chicken flapping it's arms around LOLLOLOL

[Applefiend]

You see it at the farms near the nuclear plant sometimes.... :)

[VG Aficionado]

Damn, he just can't think outside the graphics :unsure:

[Viper]

C'mon there is a reason GT is one of the best selling games of all time (hint: graphics).Could also be the fact it's one of the best damn racing games ever made. GTA is graphically ugly yet sells even more than GTA.
Viper,

I think we will be hitting that critical point very soon. There are certain games like Drake's Fortune, MGS4, and Killzone 2 that just look spectacular. You cannot compare them to Wii games or last gen games. However, those games will only be the start. I think as games on PCs and for at least a little while on the PS3 keep getting better that *some* people will start drifting away from the Wii.
You seriously crack me up. Those games that are already vastly superior graphically will still be vastly graphically superior 2-3 years from now and 2-3 years from now the gamers that enjoy games on Wii still won't give a flying fuck.

You do realize the PS2 was the least graphically capable system all last gen, don't you?

Motion control. It's a new way to play games. You might want to take a look at it sometime. It can be quite fun.



*Reads Gamepro article again*

What was their goal with this? We learned nothing we didn't already know, gained no insight we didn't already know, etc....

Oh, I get it....Gamepro is biased...../sarcasm

[masteratt]

Could also be the fact it's one of the best damn racing games ever made. GTA is graphically ugly yet sells ever more than GTA. Care to rethink your debate?
There are lots of ''best [type of game] ever made'' that don't sell anywhere as good simply because they are not graphically stunning.

GTA gets media coverage like no other.
That's why it sells shit loads.

[Red_Eyes]

The other one [Xbox 360] I get sick from once in a while because the cook isn't always reliable.

LAUGHTER

Concerning Microsoft's hardware failure...LOL.

[Viper]

Well, I'm not saying they don't matter at or we'd play Atari level graphics just that they aren't as important for a very large group of gamers as gameplay itself is.

The Wii is to gameplay what the PS3 is to graphics.

Graphics always make a huge jump each generation but gameplay styles stay pretty consistent. The Wii reversed that common direction and for millions, it was a welcome change. Why is this simple concept so hard for some to grasp? I can see why some simply want the best in graphics no matter what. MILR, why can't you understand some people simply wanted a new way to play and are content with low spec'd graphics?

[Applefiend]

Of course the beauty of Wii is I bitch and complain I got sod all content to play on it, but if you're a casual gamer you don't actually need much content.

Yet again, it's a case of Wii wasn't made for me at all. Nintendo don't love me anymore... Waaaaaah!

<*Gives PS3 a hug*> You still love me don't you baby?

[yoshaw]

What the heck is a lollopop?

[Viper]

Lack of content....as in? Mature games, exclusives found on PS consoles, something else?

[Applefiend]

Lack of content that's not for the casuals and die hard nintendo fans. 2 games I like on Wii this year, the 2 mario games. About 15 on PS3, 8 on 360. That's what I call a lack of content. I am very easy to please.

I have only so much money, so a choice between umbrella chronicles on Wii or Resident Evil 5 on 360/PS3 is no choice at all.

I don't think for a second Wii is to gameplay what PS3 is to graphics. Wii has different controls, not better ones. There's whole genres of games that don't work on Wii.

Controls do not equal gameplay, a lot of Wii fellas get the two confused.

[cliffbo]

What the heck is a lollopop?

LOL... er... it's slightly thicker than a Lollipop

[OmniCloud]

The Wii is to gameplay what the PS3 is to graphics.

This we can agree on...nice way of putting it too...

But something we may disagree on-is how long this will hold true...I'm confident that Sony hasn't lost what made PS2 so great-variety.

It was a little scary a few months ago, but with all the new titles and software that are just trying different and unique ideas--i don't think Wii will be the most attractive console for casuals/purist forever.

PSN is getting most of the innovation and different ideas--I think that's going to shift to PS3 games overall very soon...

but right now it's only Singstar/Eye of judgment/LBP/PSN/Home, so yeah, Wii is still leading the charge on new gameplay experiences, but not all better ones

[OmniCloud]

Lack of content that's not for the casuals and die hard nintendo fans. 2 games I like on Wii this year, the 2 mario games. About 15 on PS3, 8 on 360. That's what I call a lack of content. I am very easy to please.

I have only so much money, so a choice between umbrella chronicles on Wii or Resident Evil 5 on 360/PS3 is no choice at all.

I don't think for a second Wii is to gameplay what PS3 is to graphics. Wii has different controls, not better ones. There's whole genres of games that don't work on Wii.

Controls do not equal gameplay, a lot of Wii fellas get the two confused.Right there with you man...Mario Galaxy/Smash Brothers is all I'm looking forward to this year for Wii...And Mario Kart if it's scheduled for this year.

Doesn't look like it's gonna shift either. The gamers games are PS2 quality with new control schemes, and the innovative stuff is titles like Wii sports/Wii fitness. For me, that's hot for like 2 seconds and I grow tired of it, same thing happened with DS (Wario Ware/Brain Age)

But it's still a good social gaming experience. No one needs to be familiar with games to know what 5*5 is ya know? So games like Brain Age, Wii Sports, and actually games that are innovative like Mario Galaxy--yeah I'll definitely be picking those up...

But like I said in my response to Viper, I really don't think PS3 is far behind on getting the casual/purist guys either.

Sony said it themselves actually in an interview. Can't remember the exact words, but it was something like "we may move quicker to reach the casuals than we did with PS2." Why? because of Wii's success...

So love Nintendo or hate em--Wii will be a blessing to the industry. It's making Sony push the PS3 even harder into the system that has "Something for everyone"

and whichever system accomplished that IMO--is the market leader, despite whatever current installed base they have...

[Applefiend]

The gameplay/controls example would be Little big planet.

Little big planet controls: left, right, jump.
No motion control, no positional control, no noises coming out your controller, no nothing. Left, right, jump. That's it.

Little big planet gameplay
Freaking awesome.

Saying console A has better gameplay because it has a different control scheme does not wash.

Saying "People want to play games a new way", that's fine, agree with that.

What appeals more to casuals than Little Big Planet? I'd say it's more appealing to casuals than Super Mario Galaxy, easier controls, easier on the eye.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Translation: LOL Microsoft for gluing your console together.

[karibu]

Does average consumer even know the graphical difference?
All they know is the price mostly. All three all somewhat new, so ofcourse they assume they can do the same things. Wii just happens to be cheapest one.
I'm pretty sure non-gamers doesn't buy Wii for it's controller, if sitting with a pad on your lap was odd enough, then how uncomfortable would standing and moving your arms like madman feel?

Someone should interview random people if they know the differences between the three consoles.

[RzrWire]

What the heck is a lollopop?

It's a leather cheerio with pizzaz.

...*laughs at comment and runs away*

[masonite]

Saying console A has better gameplay because it has a different control scheme does not wash.

Saying "People want to play games a new way", that's fine, agree with that.

QFT.

Exactly. I still can't comprehend people claiming a different controller unequivocally equals better gameplay. It's just as naive as claiming that more power only equals better graphics...

[Gegenki]

A few years ago when Nintendo said games were getting too hard, I instantly began to see what they meant when my cousin kept asking to play my ps2 and reverted to playing 2 player on his own because he couldn't pick up the controls.

People find controls difficult. Hard to learn, hard to go from game to game.

The wii adverts are amazing for the simple fact that they convert people. The playstation's target audience was roughly 20 to 35 year olds as they said at E3, 3 years ago I believe, but unexpectedly many teenagers began to pick it up.
I don't know about in America but many people here think that computer games are for kids. - Probably why so many kids get their hands on GTA and parents wonder why a 'game' like that should be on a market for "kids"

Advertising for a playstation (i haven't seen many in a long time, what happened to sony advertising over here) or an xbox game (think of gears) consists of showing gameplay, a recent change of advertising they now say "In Game Graphics". People think ok, game. Wii on the other hand, shows people, different age groups, playing with other people, smiling, having fun. People begin to think, hey its cheap, its fun and we can do it together. That there is another sale.

I agreee with applefiend, The wii controls are something that people find easy to approach, it doesn't make gameplay better, it just changes it.
I know people who want a wii cause they have seen the way you play with it. Hell if they know what games are available for it.

[OnBake Platinum]

More power only equals better graphics.

[Segitz]

Hm,

I think some of you overerstimate and some underestimate the prowess of graphics in a game...

What sells games? It isnt purely graphics, it isnt purely gameplay and it isnt purely price... It is a mixed combination of it, and right now, the Wii has the best combination. The graphics don't suck too much (in some ways, they are adequade, think Kiddy Games), the price is REALLY low for a new console and the "input method" is different, thus a) differentiating itself from the rest and b) interestingly new.

Will this be enough to sell in 2 or 3 years, when the other two consoles get up to grip with the price (I cant see the Wii getting a price lower than 150€ in this timeframe, but the PS3 can surely shave off 50% off its price in that timeframe, think like 250€ to 300€ with a packed in system seller like MGS4, GT5 etc.)? I dont know, but since the (my view is limited to the PS3, because it is my main console, which I follow) PS3 is getting MANY casual gamer friendly games in due time, like Sing Star, Buzz and the Eye Toy franchise, the picture changes quiet a bit.

So, what can you make out of it? The main "culprit" for the Wii selling like hotcakes now is price imho... A new cool console at that price (with cool new features, aka the Wiimote) is a very good selling point. When the others get their price lower, this will shift, for sure, but how much, I cant tell...

[Haris]

Ever since that 1200 dollar comment Tretton made he's been a douchebag in my eyes and may be the reason that I refuse to get a PS3. It seems like Nintendo is the only company that holds their tongue, and doesn't really talk shit about the other companies.

[Fats]

Why should one mans foolish comments stop you from purchasing a console? It's the content that counts, surely?

[Haris]

Yeah I know but I'm a grudge holding asshole, and I feel like if the CEO of a company is a dickwad, why should I give him my money?

[Fats]

Like I said, content. I bought an Xbox 360 knowing full well that they're my least favourite company, but I wanted to play Gears and such.

[The Dude]

Your mom does not want to play Killzone, your Uncle Ted could care less about Ratchet and Clank, and your little sister doesnt give two shits about MGS4. However they all love Wii Play, Mario Party 8 and WarioWare Smooth Moves.

It's nothing but a culture split in the gaming world. Amazingly the hardcore lot is having a difficult time adapting instead of realising how great this change is for the industry as a whole. You have your fancy pantsy PS3 with games you want to play. Why do you care if there is a console out there that plays games other people like?

[Generosity of God]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/gog1985/melyssa_ford_lollipop.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/gog1985/jesse_jane_lollipop.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/gog1985/jessica-alba-lollipop.jpg

being a lollipop is a bad thing?

anyhoo. this thread was asking for an arguement just from the title alone.

Tretton obviously used the question to make PS3 sound better than the competition in a way that caters to the fanbase's mindset.

until Tretton does his job well and PS3:
- starts to outsell and catchup to the competition
- becomes the dominant platform of the generation
what reason do Wii or 360 fans have to get all worked up about?

[Haris]

Good point.

[Gegenki]

I feel so lame. I only get worked up about console sales when I'm here, otherwise i don't care in the slightest. I already brought my PS3 and by damn I'm gonna play it! Should final fantasy not appear on ps3 then by damn I'm gonna sell it but for now I'm gonna get back to motorstorm

[Leedogg]

Could also be the fact it's one of the best damn racing games ever made. GTA is graphically ugly yet sells even more than GTA.


GTA sells more than GTA how could that be?? :wtf:

[Applefiend]

More power only equals better graphics.

And physics, AI, enemies on screen, etc etc etc...

When did having a powerful console become a bad thing?

[Viper]

GTA sells more than GTA how could that be?? :wtf:

When is a GTA not a GTA?

When it's a GT Advanced GBA game. :p



Let's simplify things. There were/are 120 million PS2 owners who didn't seem to mind having the worst graphics of the generation as long as they games they liked to play were on PS2. Can we agree on this?

Then might it just be possible that there are millions of gamers that won't mind have antiquated graphics so long as the types of games and gameplay they like are on their console?

[Applefiend]

I dunno, I look at God of War 2 and it doesn't look like the worst graphics of the generation to me.

And we're talking slightly worse, not a whole generation behind. Compare Resident Evil 4 on PS2 to RE4 on GC.

[VG Aficionado]

PS2 can do things that the others of its generation couldn't, and on top of that it has games with such an awe-inspiring art direction that I wouldn't say that, looking at the sheer amount of AAA titles, it had the worst graphics. It's just that the games were limited by the fact that it didn't have a proper GPU and just 32 MB of main RAM and 4 MB of eDRAM for graphics. Otherwise, the Emotion Engine was a more capable CPU than Xbox's and GameCube's.

[Applefiend]

And of course the machine with the worse graphics last gen was of course....

Dreamcast.

[edoshin]

Your mom does not want to play Killzone, your Uncle Ted could care less about Ratchet and Clank, and your little sister doesnt give two shits about MGS4. However they all love Wii Play, Mario Party 8 and WarioWare Smooth Moves.

It's nothing but a culture split in the gaming world. Amazingly the hardcore lot is having a difficult time adapting instead of realising how great this change is for the industry as a whole. You have your fancy pantsy PS3 with games you want to play. Why do you care if there is a console out there that plays games other people like?

I've always said PS2 was a much more "family oriented" console than Nintendo GC. My daughter and I have played thru many sessions of Ratchet, Sly, Jak, DDR, Guitar Hero, Eyetoy, etc... Her favorite games on GC was Zelda and Super Smash Bros, but its the PS2 that held the vast majority of her favorite games. Wii has pulled in more of the adults who would normally not buy a console, but it just seems that the control scheme will be relegated to party games like Wii sports. I guess I just feel that way because these "game parties" that everybody raves about feel exactly like the game parties we used to have with Eyetoy. We havent seen anything interesting on Eyetoy sice AntiGrav, so its Tennis that we play when we have family get togethers right now.

[Viper]

I saw a pretty big difference granted not a generational difference. The PS2 couldn't even run the cut scenes, it had to use the GC in game rendered cut scenes played back as FMV. Texture downgrade, large chunks of polygons completely removed, etc.....but the game was still fun, no?

Not the point anyway. Last gen, there wasn't this incredible shift that graphics this, graphics that that we see today. Nobody freaked the fuck out when a GC or Xbox game looked better than a PS2 game. They just accepted it. They enjoyed the game because the game was good. It was fun.

It's a concept easily transferred onto Wii but somehow this gen got all graphics happy and have lost that same sense of what made something fun.

Everything ever done on PS2 can be done on Wii and then some. If fun was had and is still being had on PS2, what is there to assume that Wii cannot have that same experience? What is there to assume that in 2-3 years it will fade into obscurity based on the ever widening graphical gap ?

What is it that is supposed to happen in 2-3 years that will cause a mass exodus from Wii? I only see the userbase growing at a rate that even the PS2 would raise an eyebrow to. yet all these millions of people are going to suddenly have a complete change in their gaming philosophy come 2-3 years?

Their entire basis for gaming in the first place will be replaced by something completely opposite and this will be based on something completely unknown to us at this time?

Yes, I'm going to go there for a minute because no one ever gives a real answer, they just dodge it. Why is the DS leading? Why has it overtaken Japan? Why did PSP actually kick the DS's ass the first year and now be relegated to half the install base of DS? Why is it not analogous to home consoles? If you're just going to dodge the question, don't even bother answering. When you understand the answer here, you'll understand why in 2-3 year the Wii won't be fading into the night like some are predicting (hoping?).

[Viper]

PS: Party games are actually a very small portion of the Wii game library. It's the same as assuming only M rated game hit the PS2/3.

[Applefiend]

Viper, just because something sells very well doesn't make it the best. The Velvet Underground sell thousands of times less than Britney Spears. Assuming "It sells best, it must be best" is very wrong.

Although I understand that a 2 year period of belly laughing for Nintendo fans is now in order.

Also saying the only thing missing from Wii is graphics is wrong. You're missing advanced AI, physics, movies, storage space for mods and demos, high def, multiplayer online(can't frag your friends on promises), leaderboards on existing games, buddy lists were you can see who's playing what online, friend invites, voice chat, etc etc etc.

It's a fun fluffy console with no substance. Kinda like.. I dunno... a lollipop? :)

But what's wrong with a lollipop? Nothing, except nothing but lollipop is going to make you sick.

[Viper]

Viper, just because something sells very well doesn't make it the best. The Velvet Underground sell thousands of times less than Britney Spears. Assuming "It sells best, it must be best" is very wrong.

Although I understand that a 2 year period of belly laughing for Nintendo fans is now in order.

Also saying the only thing missing from Wii is graphics is wrong. You're missing advanced AI, physics, movies, storage space for mods and demos, high def, multiplayer online(can't frag your friends on promises), leaderboards on existing games, buddy lists were you can see who's playing what online, friend invites, voice chat, etc etc etc.

It's a fun fluffy console with no substance. Kinda like.. I dunno... a lollipop? :)

But what's wrong with a lollipop? Nothing, except nothing but lollipop is going to make you sick.
Better? Did I say better anywhere? Absolutely not. I'm referring simply to what choice one likes. Some like chocolate, some like vanilla. I used high sales rates to show that even after this long post launch it's still in demand despite more advanced systems.

Physics - Havok is being used in many Wii games now. While not as great as using an entire portion of a CPU for it, it's much better than what we had last gen. Elebits, while fugly and not intended to impress graphically is a physics monster.

Storage - While 512 MB is paltry to a full on HDD, it's there. It's also expected a full mass storage solution is coming since gamers are running out of room just because of VC.

Movies - Movies can be shown off SD cards but in terms of a disc based movie player. Pointless in terms of a video game system. It's a nice extra feature that does absolutely nothing for the games themselves.

Online - MOH 32 player online, Madden 08 online with full leaderboards and no Wii Friends code required, chat is available in some games. It's slow build up but I think there is more to Wii online than you think.

On top of what you've pointed out, you are still completely missing the entire point. Not everyone requires all that extra stuff to enjoy a well made game. How many of those AAA PS2 games were online? Were they not fun because you couldn't play them online? Not at all.

In terms of processing and existential capabilities, Wii is between last gen and this gen. Given that nothing was wrong with last gen and this gen is massive leap forward, I think Wii fills a perfect medium.

[Applefiend]

Well, I wouldn't say Wii is 100% between this gen and last gen. Xbox 1 is superior in a few aspects such as GPU shaders, storage (8GB), online, etc.

And really even thinking of comparing playing Motion JPEG(worse than MPEG 1) movies off a SD card to playing 1080p MP4 and Blu Ray is somewhat off.

And saying "Well we have 1 online game coming out!" isn't the same. You need 100 online games. Look at all the games on XBLA and PS Net that support leaderboards, one doesn't cut it.

The point is Wii has less substance than 360 or PS3.... Especially PS3. :) I think the lollipop analogy is perfect. I understand not everyone requires substance. Some people like to lick a lollipop once in a while. Some people only play games an hour a month, Wii is perfect for them.

What it really comes down to is this. I remember viewing the 2006 E3, and seeing Nintendo the runaway winner. People at the time were saying "Well, gaming is getting pretty boring, something needs to be done", we all agreed and got hyped for Wii.

That's not what Nintendo were aiming at at all, and that's our fault, the fans, not Nintendo. They weren't making games fun again for existing gamers, they were dragging in the casuals and non gamers. For making games fun again for gamers, you want Game 3.0. You want user created content, whether it's Singstar, Little Big Planet, XNA Express, or downloadable mods. That's what makes games fun again, living breathing games that can be evolved and upgraded forever.

I've been playing last gen games since 1999, you know how desperate gamers are the for next level? When was Soul Calibur on Dreamcast man...?

It comes down to this, with the main focus of Nintendo on non gamers and casuals, why should I care?

[edoshin]

I'll admit lollipop is kinda offensive. Its probably true that Wii is more than party games, but for myself, that's all its been about ie Wii Sports and Mario Party 8 (more my daughter's flavor). We have the Wario game, but I hate it. There were some GC games last gen that I really enjoyed ie Zelda and SSBM, but I hated Sunshine and not a fan of Metroid. Wii to me so far is equivalent Eyetoy. Great for party games, and a lot of fun. I felt Eyetoy was shortchanged because it had so much potential, but not enough was done for it. I'm hoping that will change with Judgement for PS3, and I expect Nintendo to take Wii where Eyetoy could not get to because that's its control scheme out of the box, and its had wide acceptance.

[Viper]

If you think that's all they are focusing on, perhaps you need to refocus.

Metroid, Mario, Smash all within a few months? With more. I like how you didn't listen to the online bit much and just said "Well we have 1 online game coming out!". I don't remember PS3 jumping out of the gate with online like you're bragging about now. Online missing from this game or that game, etc...

Why did Wii take so long to get online? Online devs kits were only sent out in Jan so any game in development prior would not have had much hope for being online. This means 99% of the games we have right now. However, dozens are in development with online now. I mentioned only a few just to point them out.

Play a game for an hour per month. Are you intentionally baiting?

I think I'm done here. You don't seem to desire any real debate and only want to take insidious pot shots and sarcasm.

[Applefiend]

Day 1, PS3, Resistance with buddy lists, voice chat, 40 player online, everything you could want. Day one kick ass online for PS3.

I'm not taking pot shots, I just think old Jack has a point.

Wii - Lollipop, no substance, just fluffy fun. 2003 games with 2007 controller.
360 - Bad cook. Microsoft can't built a console for ****. Hope nobody is going to argue that. Genius design but build quality... eugh...
PS3 - Quality product with substance.

I've never bought a console I've been so unhyped for, I mention the hour a month figure because that's my average really in the 7 months I've had it. Always something better on PS3 or 360. Or DS for that matter.

It's just not for gamers, it doesn't have the substance they want.

I think since I'm never going to be drooling over Metroid 3 videos like the guys on the Wii forum going "Oh my god! It's the best FPS ever" *snicker* and I'll never convince you so we should probably stop.

Always like talking to you sir, anyone else would get crazy and start with the personal insults. Sorry I think Nintendo's new console is ten compromises too many but there you go. All the best fella.

[Haris]

Oh hey don't stop now, this was just getting good.

I was about to get myself some popcorn.

[Applefiend]

Out of material to be honest. :) Starting to repeat myself.

[Applefiend]

Called in the wife for a unbiased opinion. Showed her Resident Evil 4 on PS2(via PS3) and Resident Evil 4 on Wii(GC edition). Took a walk to the first house in both games and asked her which one looked better.

She said the PS2 version looked better as it was full screen / widescreen and looked brighter.

But really it all looked the bloody same.

[cliffbo]

she said exactly the same to me :shrug:

[Fats]

Apple's wife said the same to you?!

[Applefiend]

I knew she was seeing someone else.... :(

[Derrick Barra]

Sorry Viper ol' buddy, but I'm going with Applefiend on this one, the Wii just isn't designed with the next generation core gamer in mind, and although it was fun for an hour or two at first my friends and I are looking at the release schedule for the Wii and crying. Two out of three of my friends have already sold theirs to get PS3's/360's. Now obviously its shortminded to only look at my friends, but there seems to be a bit of a foul air starting to gather on the internet whenever somebody brings up the Wii.

Wii is being stigmatized as the secondary system to gamers for it's lack of substance, just a couple of months ago the Wii was untouchable, now the people are starting to look at the big picture and the players that wouldn't actually get excited about the Wii with it's game lineup are starting to mention that it's just not meant for them.

Case in point, what 3rd party Wii games are you looking forward to in 07/08? Compare that to the other systems lineups.

I would clarify and post more, but I'm off to work; chow!

(Don't feel like I'm being a douche or something, I don't have time to edit my post right now..)

[LiquidEagle]

Say it right! CHOWDA!

[Fats]

^lmao. +Rep.

[yoshaw]

That lollopop is like a poke in the eye to some, yeah? Damn you Tretton!

[cliffbo]

I knew she was seeing someone else.... :(

LOL! don't take it too hard fella... you need to stop playing so many games. :)

[OmniCloud]

Sorry Viper ol' buddy, but I'm going with Applefiend on this one, the Wii just isn't designed with the next generation core gamer in mind, and although it was fun for an hour or two at first my friends and I are looking at the release schedule for the Wii and crying. Two out of three of my friends have already sold theirs to get PS3's/360's. Now obviously its shortminded to only look at my friends, but there seems to be a bit of a foul air starting to gather on the internet whenever somebody brings up the Wii.

Wii is being stigmatized as the secondary system to gamers for it's lack of substance, just a couple of months ago the Wii was untouchable, now the people are starting to look at the big picture and the players that wouldn't actually get excited about the Wii with it's game lineup are starting to mention that it's just not meant for them.

Case in point, what 3rd party Wii games are you looking forward to in 07/08? Compare that to the other systems lineups.

I would clarify and post more, but I'm off to work; chow!

(Don't feel like I'm being a douche or something, I don't have time to edit my post right now..) My thoughts exactly...just look at the similarities between the post
Right there with you man...Mario Galaxy/Smash Brothers is all I'm looking forward to this year for Wii...And Mario Kart if it's scheduled for this year.

Doesn't look like it's gonna shift either. The gamers games are PS2 quality with new control schemes, and the innovative stuff is titles like Wii sports/Wii fitness. For me, that's hot for like 2 seconds and I grow tired of it, same thing happened with DS (Wario Ware/Brain Age)

But it's still a good social gaming experience. No one needs to be familiar with games to know what 5*5 is ya know? So games like Brain Age, Wii Sports, and actually games that are innovative like Mario Galaxy--yeah I'll definitely be picking those up...

But like I said in my response to Viper, I really don't think PS3 is far behind on getting the casual/purist guys either.

Sony said it themselves actually in an interview. Can't remember the exact words, but it was something like "we may move quicker to reach the casuals than we did with PS2." Why? because of Wii's success...

So love Nintendo or hate em--Wii will be a blessing to the industry. It's making Sony push the PS3 even harder into the system that has "Something for everyone"

and whichever system accomplished that IMO--is the market leader, despite whatever current installed base they have...




It may not be losing any flare with non-gamers as quickly as it is with actual gamers, but Ninty needs to either release another system in like 3 years or something IMO...I mean, just look at how many peripherals were annoucned at E3? PS2 didn't go casual crazy like that until years into it's life cycle. It's like Wii is just skipping past all that and becoming the new PS2.

Which isn't a bad thing, really, but what happens when we stop using the world "next-gen"? When PS3 and X360 are cheap enough that it isn't putting a whole in your wallet and there's thousands of games for each system?

Wii dies when PS2 dies IMO...

but it's all up in the air still--there maybe millions upon million of people who actually don't get bored with Wii and it'll continue to sell through the roof. Poke'mon did it:shrug:

[Shadow Voa]

But I think five years from now when PS3 games really start lagging behind PC games that the Wii is going to look really ancient technologically.

I should hope so as Nintendo will be working on releasing their sixth home console by that time, MS as well (if the Xbox720 isnt out by then). Im sure PS4 will be rearing its head around 5-6 years from now too. Within 5 years it will be more then enough time to lay the Wii to sleep permanently.

[edoshin]

My sister, who NEVER cares about gaming (she asked for Clankity Clank when she was shopping for Ratchet and Clank for me) was all into Wii .. and still is whenever friends get together. But I cannot imagine her buying too many games .. not even Mario and Zelda. I'm all for Nintendo coming up with some innovative use for Wii-mote, but seriously, PS3 is the primary gaming console in my eyes.

[Gegenki]

My mum's a platform game player or Eyetoy/Singstar/Buzz/DDR type thing, we got em all, sigh.
She brought a Wii for Zelda and recently told me there's no good games out for it.
If Nintendo get Virtua tennis or a good boxing game, something that makes it feel like when I swing the pad, the player is swinging with me, then I'll start playing it and buying games. I can't believe the way they are using it now. Wii sport seems so crude and loads of other things just use it as a mouse. I was so excited about Zelda until I realised it doesn't matter how I move the controller :(

[Applefiend]

That a lot of the games just use movement for substitution for a button press. When pressing a button is so much easier. Yup...

[Haris]

If you're fat.

[OmniCloud]

:lol:

[Shadow19]

No More Heroes
Battalion Wars 2
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles
Soul Calibur Legends
Beautiful Katamari
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire
de Blob
Endless Ocean
Dewy's Adventure
Ghost Squad
Manhunt 2
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
Mario Strikers Charged
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Madden NFL '08
Mario Strikers Charged
Mario Kart Wii
Nitrobike
Fire Emblem
WWE SmackDown vs Raw 2008
Guitar Hero III

Oh Noes all the Wii has is Non games.

[OmniCloud]

@Shadow19 half of those games will be on PS2 though:shrug:

And most importantly will offer the same experience with a different control scheme? The ones that aren't are from Nintendo and just how many times does Mario pop up in your list:huh:

That is hardly a list to discount users concerns man...

And the 3rd party stuff at E3 was...just shameful to say the least...for gamers at least

"Zack and Wiki?" :huh: WTF is that?

Edit:Half is exaggerating a bit with the ports thing, but still-that list is probably proving the opposite of what your implying...

[yoshaw]

There are 3 games on that list that interest me(as a whole for Wii to date by the way).

Resident Evil
Soul Calibur Legends and
Metroid Prime 3.

The rest ... meh, I'm too old for that plumber shit. No offense meant.

[Shadow19]

The only ones going to be on the PS2 are:
Manhunt 2
Madden NFL '08
WWE SmackDown vs Raw 2008
Guitar Hero III

[yoshaw]

Actually now that I think of it. 3 games that actually pique my interest to date for the console that is called 'Wii'. Hmm ... does come off as a lollopop experience, it seems.

[OmniCloud]

There are 3 games on that list that interest me(as a whole for Wii to date by the way).

Resident Evil
Soul Calibur Legends and
Metroid Prime 3.

The rest ... meh, I'm too old for that plumber shit. No offense meant.I'm still waiting for the gamer's games to come:huh: I already knew about Mario Galaxy and Smash Brothers--what's else:shrug:

BS man...the purist/Ninty guys keep saying the gamers games are coming, but I am seeing a COMPLETE focus on the exact opposite?

This debate will continue forever, but honestly guys, I bought into the hype when the Wii first launched and was very unimpressed. How do I pick up one now with only 2 games and about 5 or 6 for PS3 and Halo if I want to get my FPS shooter on?

Ninty and Sony are always the PR guys talking about progressing the industry, pushing games further and blah blah...Sony's strategy may be slow, but at least some games are being shown that's showing it. Nintendo's strategy is VERY clear to me. Casual first, Gamers second.

I'll admit if I'm wrong, but honestly guys, I really don't how the hell an argument can be made against that statement.

If it's not casual--it's Mario!!!
Mario Tennis/Soccer/Game/Kart/Porn movie:rant:

[Shadow19]

What's so bad about Mario games?

[OmniCloud]

What's so bad about Mario games?Nothing at all...

But 4 different titles starring Mario is just...annoying....

Doesn't matter if you have the most M rated games on ur system, when Mario is floating around in everything--just gives it a kiddish vibe, and it's very unappealing to me:shrug:

Mario Galaxy/Kart is all that's needed..just make another Tennis game for Christ Sake..

[Applefiend]

What's so bad about Mario games?

Dude, I'm currently playing an RPG were I have a dude on my team who has a gay love crush on another member of my team and have a pink japanese dolly as my battle bot...

Mario games are no problem to me. :)

[yoshaw]

Dude, I'm currently playing an RPG were I have a dude on my team who has a gay love crush on another member of my team and have a pink japanese dolly as my battle bot...

:spit:

You talkin about the 360 RPG game that got ported to PS3 by the Armored Core developers, yeah?

[Applefiend]

Yup!

[BluBoi]

What game is that? lol Wasn't it by Ubisoft or something?

[Applefiend]

Enchanted Arms.

[EvilTaru]

What's so bad about Mario games?

I hate plumbers.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

[Haris]

Mario games are fun but sometimes shallow and I've realized I really have nothing to do and nothing to wait for on Wii... it totally sucks. I'm working towards a PS3 now, it's games like Force Unleashed, MGS, and GTA that interest me most and that I can play PS2 games like GoW that I never got to play.

[Bsack]

Mario themed games are the best!

[OmniCloud]

Mario themed games are the best!Of course not:duh:

lol...

I wish Halo was on PS3 tho:-(

Only game I will miss form the MS camp--Single player looks better than beta...

But, I'll settle for Unreal 07;)

[masonite]

hehehe, theres irony for you.... the company touted as being the most innovative and refreshing is the one using the same character for pretty much every major release for the last 20 years ;););)

[yoshaw]

^You mean like a new paint job on an old house?? =-o



j/k

[masonite]

more like an old hobo with newly donated clothes ;););)

[70939488]

[As for the other two consoles], one [Wii] is a lollipop, and I'm too old for lollipops. The other one [Xbox 360] I get sick from once in a while because the cook isn't always reliable.

Than what are ps3? sony in wonder land?

First of all xbox360 got what they aim for when they make 360. take a bite out from the pc gamein. they did that with xbox 360

nintendo is taking gamer 2 a new way of gamein. u said they thing is limited in 2 years? in 2 years if they got mad 3 party support. they are goin 2 the right way. we might see Virtual Reality. with the stuff they got. The only thing missing a virtual reality head mounted display with sense on it.

sony 2 me is in wonder land. lost dont know what they wanna.

Sony can cry all they wanna.

[yoshaw]

Ahahaha, OMG, we have a burn!! Call in the doctors!


First of all xbox360 got what they aim for when they make 360. take a bite out from the pc gamein. they did that with xbox 360

nintendo is taking gamer 2 a new way of gamein. u said they thing is limited in 2 years? in 2 years if they got mad 3 party support. they are goin 2 the right way. we might see Virtual Reality. with the stuff they got. The only thing missing a virtual reality head mounted display with sense on it.

sony 2 me is in wonder land. lost dont know what they wanna.

Sony can cry all they wanna.

1) Xbox360 took a bite out of PC you say? That's like sayin they took a bite out of their own ass!! :laugh: Roflmfao

2) 2 years eh? Tell that to the guys waiting and who get to see 2 years worth of awesomeness that will be delivered on PS3/360. Yup I'd be smiling if I had to wait for a worthy game on my console for a 2 years time. I'd think, "What a fcukin cool investment I did. Genius!! Hey Granma, wanna shake bootay with me on Wii Fit until then."

Seriously!

And Virtual Reality? And Helmet? Two words for ya dude!

Seriously?! LMFAO!! :lol:

3) Yup, Sony will get tears no doubt, but those r the ones of joy. It's been a complete awesome time for them n they deserve it all! In other words, this is the starting period when insecurities amongst other console owners reach sky high proportions.

[/fanmode]

[70939488]

1) Xbox360 took a bite out of PC you say? That's like sayin they took a bite out of their own ass!! :laugh: Roflmfao

Microsoft's if it aint the hardware failure. ms would be making money when halo 3 come out. At this rate when is ps3 goin 2 me profit? 2017?

2) 2 years eh? Tell that to the guys waiting and who get to see 2 years worth of awesomeness that will be delivered on PS3/360. Yup I'd be smiling if I had to wait for a worthy game on my console for a 2 years time. I'd think, "What a fcukin cool investment I did. Genius!! Hey Granma, wanna shake bootay with me on Wii Fit until then."

U got that right and i do own a x360 and most of the game thats coming for ps3 is coming 2 x360. so dont get what u tryin 2 say 2 me. can u answer me this? can ps3 do what wii dose?

Seriously!

And Virtual Reality? And Helmet? Two words for ya dude!

huh helmet? where u from? nowsday those came as tiny as sunglasses.
check on ebay spy wear.

Seriously?! LMFAO!! :lol:

3) Yup, Sony will get tears no doubt, but those r the ones of joy. It's been a complete awesome time for them n they deserve it all! In other words, this is the starting period when insecurities amongst other console owners reach sky high proportions.

[/fanmode][/QUOTE]

yeah sony will get tears no doudt they will cut down $100 for the 60 gb. than fool buy it than come out 80 gb. than cut $100 again than 90 gb again and again. the sad sad thing is i feel bad for those that bought the 40 gb when it jsut came out. oh yeah pls 750 gb harddrive is only $270.
20 gb for $100 more. if they think i was bron yesterday yes i will buy it asap.

[indiekid4]

OMG! someone made fun of my precious little Wii!!! WAHHH!!

come on people, this is childish. They are only video gaming systems. Yes, we all have passion for gaming, but this is ridiculous. Let's drop this and move on to sometime more constructive to argue, debate, and laugh about. please..pretty please. :)

[indiekid4]

1) Xbox360 took a bite out of PC you say? That's like sayin they took a bite out of their own ass!! :laugh: Roflmfao

Microsoft's if it aint the hardware failure. ms would be making money when halo 3 come out. At this rate when is ps3 goin 2 me profit? 2017?

2) 2 years eh? Tell that to the guys waiting and who get to see 2 years worth of awesomeness that will be delivered on PS3/360. Yup I'd be smiling if I had to wait for a worthy game on my console for a 2 years time. I'd think, "What a fcukin cool investment I did. Genius!! Hey Granma, wanna shake bootay with me on Wii Fit until then."

U got that right and i do own a x360 and most of the game thats coming for ps3 is coming 2 x360. so dont get what u tryin 2 say 2 me. can u answer can ur ps3 do what wii do?

Seriously!

And Virtual Reality? And Helmet? Two words for ya dude!

huh helmet? where u from? nowsday those can be as tiny as a sun glasses.

Seriously?! LMFAO!! :lol:

3) Yup, Sony will get tears no doubt, but those r the ones of joy. It's been a complete awesome time for them n they deserve it all! In other words, this is the starting period when insecurities amongst other console owners reach sky high proportions.


yeah sony will get tears no doudt they will cut down $100 for the 60 gb. than fool buy it than come out 80 gb. than cut $100 again than 90 gb again and again. the sad sad thing is i feel bad for those that bought the 40 gb when it jsut came out. oh yeah pls 750 gb harddrive is only $270.
20 gb for $100 more. if they think i was bron yesterday yes i will buy it asap.

lol..i can tell you own a 360 by the way you type..my head hurts...ok ok...I know the post I posted above said to stop this non-sence, but then I read this post above and my brain hurt...i had to throw in a little jab..hehe. wow, already in the RED with only 6 posts! Congrats! haha

Ok now stop this children!! :P

[yoshaw]

OMG! someone made fun of my precious little Wii!!! WAHHH!!

come on people, this is childish. They are only video gaming systems. Yes, we all have passion for gaming, but this is ridiculous. Let's drop this and move on to sometime more constructive to argue, debate, and laugh about. please..pretty please. :)

lol, my bad. I just wanted to have fun. Seriously, just like how you couldn't control yourself and reply to this chap. I found myself in a similar situation. I had to n I mean had to write something. So I did :laugh:

Nothing personal against the guy named 786532 or something. Enjoy ur Wii mate. Hey, I love my Wii too BUT I'd rather let my girlfriend play with it than myself if you know what I mean ;) lol


*Yoshaw awaits the red button gif from Lalilu*

[Applefiend]

Fuel to the fire, David Perry thinks Wiimania won't last.

http://ps3.qj.net/David-Perry-the-magic-of-the-Wii-wont-last-PS3-to-catch-up/pg/49/aid/97930

Then again he thought Matrix mania would last, so, you know. :)

If you read the article it's the identical argument to our own MILR. Agree with some of the points, I look at my shelf of 20 PS3 games and I don't think there's a real PS3 game there. Heavenly Sword, KZ2 or R&C are real PS3 games.

Well, maybe perhaps Motorstorm and that's it.

Games that use the Blu Ray, sixaxis, pixel and vertex shaders, HD and Cell to anything near their potential are rare as.