Image Size

[Viper]

Greeting Fellow PSInsiders.

1080 images sure do look great, don't they? You know what's funny about 1080 images? They're HUGE. Like Colossus from SOTC huge. Red ring of death a problem for MS huge.

Do you know what's not huge? Most peoples computer monitors. I mean mine is but most people are still rocking 1024 x 768. Ever try to view a 1080 image on a 1024 x 768 screen? It's like using your TV to view the top left corner of a billboard from 2 feet away. If you want to see the rest, you have scroll 20 feet to the right and 10 feet down.

It makes things worse because now the rest of the forum is all bent out of shape below your image. I mean I can't tell because I rock a 2k x 4k screen (lies) but you know everyone else is having mad H-scroll problems.

So speaking on behalf of all 25,731 members, not myself of course, can we make an effort to make like a nutritional meal and resize our supersized fries...err, melons?


I'm thinking keep them down to 780 wide. You know, for the sake of other peoples H-scroll.

Thanks.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Oversized images will be deleted and hyperlinked. Thanks!

[VG Aficionado]

Most of the hotlinked pics we post are 1280x720. Is the standard HD size that bad?

I'd also want to suggest E-mpire administrators to make the boards adjust to the screen resolution as it is a waste that whoever views these boards at more than 1024x768 (who I'm sure are more than a handful of people) has to bear with those huge margins on both the left and right sides of the screen.

And why aren't we able to do some things like embedding youtube videos like other boards can? Are you running on old software?

[Coded-Dude]

I rock a 1600x1200 and your post made me laugh Viper.....good delivery!

Don't we have "icon" tags now?
That would be much faster and easier than scaling every image a person posts.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Scale the images (takes 2 seconds in photoshop or whatever program), link them, or post them as attachments. Or thumbnails! Is that really hard?

[VG Aficionado]

Obviously yes :shrug:

Some boards resize images automatically. Why E-mpire doesn't?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

well, Obviously you're lazy :P
Ask omega if it's that important that the site does everything for you. I know plenty of forums that don't resize an image for the poster. I fail to understand why this is an unreasonable thing to ask, and why is there even a backlash from you?

[Viper]

We used to. The hack we used was no longer compatible with the newer vB software.

[GTAce]

Hm Viper and LaLi are right, i mean every image hoster like imageshack or xs.to gives you the possibility to post a thumbnail and when you link just make a hotlink or post as attachement.^^

[Fats]

I'd use the "Attach thumbnail" more often, but what's the limit? I remember it stating that I had reached my limit and had to delete whatever images I had lying around the forums. Inconvenient!

EDIT :: Actually, didn't see the post above mine, thanks GT!

[VG Aficionado]

well, Obviously you're lazy :P
Ask omega if it's that important that the site does everything for you. I know plenty of forums that don't resize an image for the poster. I fail to understand why this is an unreasonable thing to ask, and why is there even a backlash from you?

I'm not backlashing, I'm not exactly the most lazy poster... and that's actually why I know what you're asking for steals a lot of time when there are more than a couple screenshots to post. I just wonder why this board can't do many things other boards can, and I just guess you're running older software for reasons I know nothing about. We all could make the system work for us and make it more practical for everyone, but you just ask everyone to do something they won't always do instead.

Just because many forums don't have up to date software doesn't mean there's an excuse for E-mpire. Honestly, why arguing on something that's inevitable instead of considering to upgrade the software to make our experience richer and more comfortable? And what about those who have the proper hardware to get more out of the boards? This site won't provide them any satisfaction.

[GTAce]

Yeah i agree with you VG but so long why not use thumbnails from imagehosters or just post the link of an image and write a short discription in the post? I just dont see a big problem with that. :)

EDIT: Also agree with the post under that -v

[Coded-Dude]

it takes longer than two seconds lali, lets be serious.....it would take 2 seconds to put "icon" tags around a hot linked image.

Resizing requires: saving the image, launching the software, resizing the image, saving it again, then uploading it, and finally hot linking it......anybody that can do that in 2 seconds gets a bow from me.

I was just curious if we had ICON tags, but I don't normally post 1080p/720p images.
I just though somethings like that would be quicker and easier for EVERYBODY...not jsut the "small display" users.

[Fats]

I should also mention that sometimes when in haste to post the latest news, or latest screenshots, that people may use the quickest method available to them.

[KRA]

but what melons are you talking about ?!
anyway can't people download picture and resize them themself ?
anyway i have 1024x760 and didn't have problems where are these huge melons ?!
show me them :)

these melons are too big for me. please resize them
ohh poor viper :)
another great thread.
shouldn't it been in general discussion or something anyway ?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I don't even understand why we're having this discussion. It's no more of a hassle to do what we asked than it is to put tags around your pictures.

Come to think of it, we never actually asked. So...yeah. It just seems like you're getting an attitude about it. I'm not the tech-end of the forum, so if you really think something should be done about it talk to the admins, particularly Omega about it or DwhittenEmpire, but this isn't us requesting you do anything, if you post oversize images, they're getting [url] tagged. It's not hard, man.

[GTAce]

I should also mention that sometimes when in haste to post the latest news, or latest screenshots, that people may use the quickest method available to them.

The quickest would be to just post the link.^^

[Epix]

Windows has a Powertoy Image Resizer (http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/ImageResizerPowertoySetup.exe) that you can use to resize photos simply by right-clicking on the file.

[Fats]

^^GT, people don't like that! Lol.

[Coded-Dude]

lali, you are posting like you are being attacked here....we are just trying to help out.
If our input on the matter is not relevant this thread should have been locked and stickied after the first post. No one said it was hard, we are talking about conveniences and a full featured forum. The more options we have to prevent posting of over size images the less time you would have to exhaust enforcing such rules.

[VG Aficionado]

I don't even understand why we're having this discussion. It's no more of a hassle to do what we asked than it is to put tags around your pictures.People are lazy and impatient by nature, you should know you're wasting your time by asking this yet again.

Come to think of it, we never actually asked. So...yeah. It just seems like you're getting an attitude about it. I'm not the tech-end of the forum, so if you really think something should be done about it talk to the admins, particularly Omega about it or DwhittenEmpire, but this isn't us requesting you do anything, if you post oversize images, they're getting [url] tagged. It's not hard, man.Huh? You are the ones who are telling us to follow a "protocol". You should be the first ones to ask Omega and Dwhitten regularly about the issues I just mentioned instead of telling us what we already know yet again. What is more: it's really funny that I don't see many people complaining because of their 56k modems and 7" monitors. All this seems totally pointless.

You asked people to spend more time to post stuff in the past, people expressed all the time both verbally and non-verbally that they don't want it to take so long to post new info, screenshots and whatnot. We understand what you mean, now you have to understand that you can't fight against everyone and that everybody will win if the boards are upgraded.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The only reason it's 'such a hassle' is because there's apparently some kind of race or popularity contest to who can post what first. Which is childish. I'm not being defensive, but I am taken aback that people are responding like they don't have time to do it, when majority of the regulars up here online are here for hours on end. Yeah, real bother it is. I personally don't care if the software is capable of resizing people's images because I don't post oversized images, that is, whenever I even do. So if it's important to you, fellow member of E-MPIRE, you take it up with the persons capable of doing something about it. And even so something like that will take time, I'm dealing with the immediate issue.

[Fats]

Let me make this clear.

I'll do whatever I can to adhere to the rules of the forums, I'd just like to know the simplest way of doing this? Do we have a quick way on the forums to make thumbnails?

[Viper]

I'd use the "Attach thumbnail" more often, but what's the limit? I remember it stating that I had reached my limit and had to delete whatever images I had lying around the forums. Inconvenient!

EDIT :: Actually, didn't see the post above mine, thanks GT!
Fats, there isn't an attachment limit. The image file itself can have a limit as if you're posting a bmp image but post away on the jpg's.

Just because many forums don't have up to date software doesn't mean there's an excuse for E-mpire. Honestly, why arguing on something that's inevitable instead of considering to upgrade the software to make our experience richer and more comfortable? And what about those who have the proper hardware to get more out of the boards? This site won't provide them any satisfaction.
VG, we just spent over 4 hours last night upgrading the software.

Also to note, for the past 2 years a content management system has been in development that includes forum software that will blow this vB shit out of the water. There already is a lot done to enhance the user experience and a lot more in the works.

All we are doing is asking this favor for the time being for those that have monitors smaller than these gigantor screen shots.

[GTAce]

Fats, there isn't an attachment limit. The image file itself can have a limit as if you're posting a bmp image but post away on the jpg's.

Really? I thought there is a limit of 5 attachements per post.
Cool nice to hear. :thumbl:

[BruceWayneIII]

1. I do understand the annoyance of large images and small screens.

2. A lot of my time here goes with reading your posts, post news articles, posting images (as attachments) and uploading HD video for you to enjoy. Often while in a hurry.

3. If 1080p are supposed to be scaled down to 720p, then they are not 1080p images any longer. Somehow I prefer 1080p images of games running in 1080p.

4. I will of course no longer post 1080p images, if that is what the forum agrees on.

5. For the sake of clarity: Are attachments included in this new proposal to scale images before posting?

[Viper]

Also, adding as an attachment can be done straight from a URL, you don't need to have the image saved.

You can also use Photobucket which can use URL uploading instead of having to save to your HDD first and it can auto resize.

I just did an image test. Took all over 15 seconds to copy URL, paste it in Photobucket, submit image, copy new URL, post.

[Fats]

Well, I have no problem with this. I mean, I've only got a 14" Laptop so I hate big images. Attachments FTW.

[Viper]

GTAce, yes, there is a limit of 5 images per attachment but not an overall limit on image size or data as was asked about.


Bruce, attachments may still be full sized. This is just an issue we've been receiving with images being so large they stretch the forums way to the right.

[VG Aficionado]

I'd like to know where are all those victims with 1024x768 monitors who complain all the time about having to scroll too much (and the huge default margins of this site don't help either, but you won't do anything about them...). I want to see if it's such a huge problem.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend anyone. Other boards I visit have had useful features for years now that help everyone and I've never seen threads like this one over there, and you gotta wonder why we have to be behind them.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If the only reason we have for people not cooperating is 'we're lazy' I really don't want to hear it.

[BruceWayneIII]

Viper, thank you for clearing that up. I am all for using attachments anyway. Thumbnails are included and the page loads faster (especially on the PS3).

VG, I do think it's a bit annoying - despite having more than 4 acres of screensize :) Attachments are great.

[Fats]

Lali, wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

[woundingchaney]

Im not sure why people are debating this point; simply thumbnail screenshots its as simple as that. I have a 27" monitor and these pics are ridiculous not to mention how long it takes to load a screen. Simply do not do it. This is not a a debate.

[GTAce]

Would it be possible to increase the limit to 10 attachements per post?
I think it would make it more attractive to some users. :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Fats:

No, it just pisses me off when we ask people to do something simple and all we get in response is whining.

[Epix]

I'm recalling a certain "PSINext - Where good Thread Come to Die" thread were someone suggested that we all use attachments for image posting. It insures everyone can see the images (some hosting sites are blocked for some people) and generates traffic and memberships for E-mpire.

Hmmmm...........

[Z]

I agree that directly posting large images can be annoying. I confess that I was one of those that did that recently *cough GT5 thread cough*. and although I may be one of the last to upgrade from dial-up and personally have no problems anymore viewing however big a pic or a gif is any more- thank God for that- I still see that the forum view distortion may be a problem to some. we can always link to a pic that would be a click away anyway.

by the way, just FYI, some forums out there like Team Xbox hosts big screens in a small window on a post and it will have scrolls on its side and bottom where you can move to see the rest of the image. that is annoying when viewing an image, but it could be a very good automatic solution for those who do end up directly posting large pics.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I don't remember that thread! Some idiot must have posted it! Probably cuz he was always behind the curve!

(J/K, Epix!)

[Fats]

:grouphug:

[Coded-Dude]

If the only reason we have for people not cooperating is 'we're lazy' I really don't want to hear it.

thats a rather generalized statement.....what VG is saying is it would be a much better solution for EVERYBODY(not just the small "whining" monitor people), if we have features(that are available elsewhere) to provide a richer, quicker, more robust posting/viewing experience.

But call it whining if you want.

[woundingchaney]

thats a rather generalized statement.....what VG is saying is it would be a much better solution for EVERYBODY(not just the small "whining" monitor people), if we have features(that are available elsewhere) to provide a richer, quicker, more robust posting/viewing experience.

But call it whining if you want.

yeah link to the pic/pics that would be great

[Viper]

I'd like to know where are all those victims with 1024x768 monitors who complain all the time about having to scroll too much (and the huge default margins of this site don't help either, but you won't do anything about them...). I want to see if it's such a huge problem.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend anyone. Other boards I visit have had useful features for years now that help everyone and I've never seen threads like this one over there, and you gotta wonder why we have to be behind them.

What do you want? A PM list? IM logs? A record of every time someone said, "Thanks, that fucked up the forums now"?

If no one was complaining, WTF would we ask people to resize?

As for the forum margins. Didn't I just say we're working on that? Might it also interest you that I've started an initiative to use those margins for user created content? Or that we have ads there?

It was a simple request to give some breathing room for the majority that do not have a 1080 monitor to view this site with. Solutions were given for those burdened by the requested resizing.

Any other problems with this?

[Fats]

:whip:

[Coded-Dude]

I don't have a problem with it(never did)
I just wanted to know if there are currently(or plans to distribute) forum FEATURES(not a process like hot linking to image hosting sites) that would make this issue less of an issue. [like icon/thumbnail tags]

If you have one way to do something, chances are you'll be enforcing the rule more often than if you were to have 3 or 4 ways to to something

[BruceWayneIII]

Guys - don't make it personal and keep a friendly tone. Disagreeing on a subject is okay - getting personal is NOT.

My simple suggestion: only use attachments by either uploading images from your hard drive or add the image URL in the attachment window.

Software will continue to improve over time...

[VG Aficionado]

All I (rightfully, IMO) whine about is not having up to date forum software to work with. Automatic screenshot resizing is just one function we don't have. How about embedding stuff? How about adjustable margins? How about greater customization to display our online IDs and whatnot? How about *insert already standard board feature*? And why do we still have to insert spoiler protection manually?

All those features are nothing out of this world. You might want to let us know why this board doesn't have any of them and others, and we wouldn't want to hear "we're too lazy to implement them (and therefore make everyone's experience more satisfying)" ;) Is it a matter of money, expertise or what?

Again, no offense intended.

[Viper]

All I (rightfully, IMO) whine about is not having up to date forum software to work with. Automatic screenshot resizing is just one function we don't have. How about embedding stuff? How about adjustable margins? How about greater customization to display our online IDs and whatnot? How about *insert already standard board feature*? And why do we still have to insert spoiler protection manually?

All those features are nothing out of this world. You might want to let us know why this board doesn't have any of them and others, and we wouldn't want to hear "we're too lazy to implement them (and therefore make everyone's experience more satisfying)" ;) Is it a matter of money, expertise or what?

Again, no offense intended.
How about you use the Suggestions and Feedback board?

What we have IS the most up to date vB software available. Did I not just say we spent 4 hours last night updating it?

What you're asking for are modification to the forum code. Some are simple, some are not, some agree with this version of vB some don't. Each time we update to the latest vB, half of our mods and hacks no longer works so we reinstall some, work great, then update, then restart all over again.

If we stay with an older form of vB, we could have plenty of those old hacks still working but we'd also be vulnerable to a hacking which in March 2004 is exactly what we got and having half the entire forum deleted is no fun. So we've vowed to ensure security first and foremost.

As I mentioned before, we're building our own forum software and we'll then have security and function all in one.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

thats a rather generalized statement.....what VG is saying is it would be a much better solution for EVERYBODY(not just the small "whining" monitor people), if we have features(that are available elsewhere) to provide a richer, quicker, more robust posting/viewing experience.

But call it whining if you want.

Yeah, it'd be awesome. But we can't right now. But the admins aren't sitting on their asses either. They just updated the site last night for christ sake. In the meantime, can't everyone just cooperate?

[Olz]

I admit I have a 15" laptop screen and large images are annoying. I don't find looking at the picture the problem, as if it is hard to see, all (in Firefox) I do is either save the picture or right-click on it and and select 'View Image' and the image is opened up by itself and firefox automatically resizes it. What I do find annoying is if text is posted with the image. Then I have to constantly scroll across to read it.

I personally don't see the problem with re-sizing images or posting them as attachments. I don't know what the fuss is about. If possible the poster of the image could always look too see if a lower resolution version is available from the same source. Just an idea.

What's that sound...I think I left the car running...(jumps out window)

[julps31]

Whoa @ this thread growing so fast lol.

[Coded-Dude]

http://mitheral.ca/images/Polaroid/kitten_die.jpg

again, constructive criticism is not fussing.
I don't think anyone here is adamant about not following this rule.
(just curious about other options)

[VG Aficionado]

How about you use the Suggestions and Feedback board?The few times I used it didn't seem to help me a lot :shrug:

What we have IS the most up to date vB software available. Did I not just say we spent 4 hours last night updating it?And what are the improvements? :shrug: It all looks the same to me. I'd even say I see less features than a few days ago. The advanced replies have less tools now.

What you're asking for are modification to the forum code. Some are simple, some are not, some agree with this version of vB some don't. Each time we update to the latest vB, half of our mods and hacks no longer works so we reinstall some, work great, then update, then restart all over again.

If we stay with an older form of vB, we could have plenty of those old hacks still working but we'd also be vulnerable to a hacking which in March 2004 is exactly what we got and having half the entire forum deleted is no fun. So we've vowed to ensure security first and foremost.

As I mentioned before, we're building our own forum software and we'll then have security and function all in one.And how are we supposed to know? You don't mind taking your time to tell us all to follow some rules to post stuff, but I never see you saying "sorry, we could have all these features but we don't because of reason1, reason2 and also reason3".

We don't want to feel we are the ones who are doing something wrong. We also want to know why this board has less features than others and what is wrong that has nothing to do with the users. This thread has a "you are guilty and inconsiderate" feel to it, which is what might be bothering some, me included.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Commander! We weren't expecting this much resistance!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The few times I used it didn't seem to help me a lot :shrug:

And what are the improvements? :shrug: It all looks the same to me. I'd even say I see less features than a few days ago. The advanced replies have less tools now.

And how are we supposed to know? You don't mind taking your time to tell us all to follow some rules to post stuff, but I never see you "sorry, we could have all these features but we don't because of reason1, reason2 and also reason3".

We don't want to feel we are the ones who are doing something wrong. We also want to know why this board has less features than others and what is wrong that has nothing to do with the users. This thread has a "you are guilty and inconsiderate" feel to it, which is what might be bothering some, me included.

Dude, viper's first post was pretty amiable about the whole thing. wtf.

[woundingchaney]

The few times I used it didn't seem to help me a lot :shrug:

And what are the improvements? :shrug: It all looks the same to me. I'd even say I see less features than a few days ago. The advanced replies have less tools now.

And how are we supposed to know? You don't mind taking your time to tell us all to follow some rules to post stuff, but I never see you "sorry, we could have all these features but we don't because of reason1, reason2 and also reason3".

We don't want to feel we are the ones who are doing something wrong. We also want to know why this board has less features than others and what is wrong that has nothing to do with the users. This thread has a "you are guilty and inconsiderate" feel to it, which is what might be bothering some, me included.
I dont think you quite get it. This is not for you to argue so please stop beig an ass about it. This guy runs the damn show and was asking rather respectfully, until you wanted to be a hard ass. Please ease up and respect his request. It definitely is not to much to for you, me, or anyone to do.

[Fats]

Close thread perhaps?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Sold! I don't get this yo, we ask everyone to do something simple for the sake of everybody and then VG goes and gets an attitude like we told him to eat his kids! I was expecting a simple 'okay I'll try to resize them'.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/lex-luthor-wrong.jpg

[Viper]

The few times I used it didn't seem to help me a lot :shrug:

I just checked, you've never made one.

Can we move on from this and discuss those changes you'd like in the Suggestions and Feedback forum?