Devil May Cry 4

[OmniCloud]

Don't flame...but I think the demo kinda sucks:shrug:

It was like I playing DMC1 over again, with slightly better graphics. Nothing new really. What's even more annoying is that the cut-scenes look great and really seems like a next-gen game, but once you get back in control of Nero, it's like PS2.5 again.

I wasn't gonna pick up the game until a price drop, but I probably won't pick this up ever. This should've been a PS3 exclusive and then ported to X360 as soon as they could finish it.

The controls are not fresh, the story/acting is just not good, and it's just not enough. With those two cons, the game would've still been great because it's DMC, the controls are already pretty fantastic and fluid to begin with. But the things that should've been awesome and fresh (graphics/atmosphere/art direction) are just totally absent.

As a gamer who went through Dante must Die mode on part 1, it just doesn't feel like a new experience to justify a $60 purchase. I had way more fun toying around with Heavenly Sword's flawed yet entertaining gameplay--at least it was something new and interesting that looked good.

So yeah, two thumbs down for DMC4 demo...I doubt the rest of the game will be a visual treat either.

Get it on PS3, get it on X360...Either way, it's a mediocre experience if you've played some of the previous games.

[Zer0-Sum]

i dont know what you mean by we lol

Every DMC fan in the America....

So the demo has not been delayed then? I will get it tonight when I get home from work....

[Matt]

^^Somebody, get the flamethrower!! ;)

[Xerxes]

Don't flame...but I think the demo kinda sucks:shrug:

It was like I playing DMC1 over again, with slightly better graphics. Nothing new really. What's even more annoying is that the cut-scenes look great and really seems like a next-gen game, but once you get back in control of Nero, it's like PS2.5 again.

I wasn't gonna pick up the game until a price drop, but I probably won't pick this up ever. This should've been a PS3 exclusive and then ported to X360 as soon as they could finish it.

The controls are not fresh, the story/acting is just not good, and it's just not enough. With those two cons, the game would've still been great because it's DMC, the controls are already pretty fantastic and fluid to begin with. But the things that should've been awesome and fresh (graphics/atmosphere/art direction) are just totally absent.

As a gamer who went through Dante must Die mode on part 1, it just doesn't feel like a new experience to justify a $60 purchase. I had way more fun toying around with Heavenly Sword's flawed yet entertaining gameplay--at least it was something new and interesting that looked good.

So yeah, two thumbs down for DMC4 demo...I doubt the rest of the game will be a visual treat either.

Get it on PS3, get it on X360...Either way, it's a mediocre experience if you've played some of the previous games.

Never played the game for its graphics so I cant wait for this one! Story beats graphics for me anytime. *plays Ico*

[Diresu]

Never played the game for its graphics so I cant wait for this one! Story beats graphics for me anytime. *plays Ico*

To be fair, DMC was NEVER something I considered quality storytelling. For me it was always "ooo pretty combo" "ooh shiny cutscene."

[Zer0-Sum]

To be fair, DMC was NEVER something I considered quality storytelling. For me it was always "ooo pretty combo" "ooh shiny cutscene."

QFT. DMC = fast and hard core anime ass whipping action all over the place. Story is good, but hard core action is more important with this series.

Personally I am not disappointed that the game is the same in mechanics. As the old saying goes, "If it is not broken, don't try to fix it."

[Epix]

Demo is up on the JPN store.....and downloading quickly :)

[jaxmkii]

good game turned multiplatform whore. got it!

[Black Dragon37]

QFT. DMC = fast and hard core anime ass whipping action all over the place. Story is good, but hard core action is more important with this series.Still though, any story is better than no story at all.

[Zer0-Sum]

Still though, any story is better than no story at all.

DMC has always had a story. But it is a minimal story that does not get in the way of the action. That is called good game design.

[Black Dragon37]

I was looking at Virtua Fighter.

[Zer0-Sum]

I was looking at Virtua Fighter.

For what? A story? When did VF come into the discussion? I am confused...

[Black Dragon37]

DMC is a very deep game with a story.

VF is a very deep game without a story.

It's one thing I don't like about VF.

But I've gone off topic...

[AC!D]

DMC1 was one of the best games i have ever played so if you guys are saying its more of the same then im in:)

[Zer0-Sum]

DMC is a very deep game with a story.

VF is a very deep game without a story.

It's one thing I don't like about VF.

But I've gone off topic...

QFT on both points....

I just want to know why Dante has off the deep end. I am sure he got fuct over and now he is looking for someone's head to lop off. I just do not believe he has gone evil. I bet that Nero is the bad one. By the end of the game we will take control of Dante and go after Nero with blade a swinging and guns a blazing!

[OG_Monkey]

The demo....iiiissss..AWESOME! OMG its fuckin grrrrrreat! ive decided and ALREADY placed my order in with Amazon, ill get it on the 360 since i dont think ill have my ps3 by then and i cant wait. I was scared the controls were not gonna be great but its perfect, plus ill have achievements as a bonus lol

[OmniCloud]

DMC has never been about the story no, but how would having a good story to progress the game hurt:huh:

Either way, I'm not saying the game is bad, the game is just the same thing without really improving on anything. For me, that's not worth $60...I can just go and play DMC over again:shrug:

My main gripe is, that so much of the game is NOT changed, that at least the graphics should've been something to look at. After playing Uncharted, Unreal, hell even Mario Galaxy has a better art direction. It's just pathetic how close this game looks to it's PS2 counterparts.

As much bashing and arguing was going on about NGS, this game is hardly above that title in the graphics department and how much more time has it been in development?

I hardly ever complain about graphics or visual effects, but it was the one thing I was hoping that would improve in this title (because I know story was outta the question) and it just isn't...

I'm probably more disappointed than I am unimpressed. So a much much later purchase will probably suit me...

[GTAce]

I havent played the demo yet but from what ive seen, i agree with Omni.

[TEEDA]

DMC has never been about the story no, but how would having a good story to progress the game hurt:huh:

Either way, I'm not saying the game is bad, the game is just the same thing without really improving on anything. For me, that's not worth $60...I can just go and play DMC over again:shrug:

My main gripe is, that so much of the game is NOT changed, that at least the graphics should've been something to look at. After playing Uncharted, Unreal, hell even Mario Galaxy has a better art direction. It's just pathetic how close this game looks to it's PS2 counterparts.

As much bashing and arguing was going on about NGS, this game is hardly above that title in the graphics department and how much more time has it been in development?

I hardly ever complain about graphics or visual effects, but it was the one thing I was hoping that would improve in this title (because I know story was outta the question) and it just isn't...

I'm probably more disappointed than I am unimpressed. So a much much later purchase will probably suit me...

Wel it really depends. But I agree, DMC series is not about their stories, but more about the gameplay mechanic which had made the success of the franchise.
As someone pointed out few pages ago. it was originally made to be a series for Hardcore gamers who like throwing lots of unlimited combos on ennemis and having a bad ass character moving with style.
The DMC touch is here, but as Kobayashi said, they just toned down the game difficulty to adapt it to the various gamers and region.

Also depending on the reviews ( EU and US ) it says it's a decent game and from thz first japanese review it was noted 35 / 40 by famitsu who said it was amazing , in the line of DMC 1 and DMC 3.

But DMC 4 is meant to appeal to a new upcoming public who don't know the series and to try to revamp the series with a new character and few additons.
But I miss old Dante gameplay. I don't really like the new Devil Arms. I miss the nunshak from DMC3 and the twin swodx agni & rudra. But I ll get this one anyway. I just hoped it would have more Devil Arms to choose, more Devil Trigers and new moves from Dante. But playing with Nero looks cool. But it's not really new. Grabing ennemies was possible in ZOE 2 with the whisp sub weapon lol.
:devious:

[OmniCloud]

Yeah Teeda, the style is very different from part 1 to part 3. Part 1 story wasn't that amazing and gripping but it did take itself seriously and the progression of part 1 was also extremely well done.

Since part 3 the style changed to this swap-mode thing and basically it just felt like Dante was never complete. He should've just been able to do all those moves and switched up his weapons:shrug:

But, this is just my opinion of where the series is headed. I was looking for more, and I have enough games to test my reflexes with:shrug:

[hidex]

Well if anyone doesn't have a japan account you can get it in the us psn now.

[Gegenki]

The demo is cool but I'm disappointed. If its running in 60fps then my eyes have been completely fooled because it looks like its using 30 - 60 switch to me. The insane smoothness of the trailers is what really had me going.

But it does have vibration :D And I felt right at home having been playing DMC1 all week. Difficulty was upsetting - shoulda given us difficulty levels (although I did die against that boss). DMC ain't about being easy. I kept messing up on the controls. Kept hitting triangle to jump.
Its a bit slightly very annoying that nero jumps straight up rather than forward and up like Dante.

- takes it back - the frame rate is alright but still doesn't look as smooth as the vids

[TEEDA]

Yeah Teeda, the style is very different from part 1 to part 3. Part 1 story wasn't that amazing and gripping but it did take itself seriously and the progression of part 1 was also extremely well done.

Since part 3 the style changed to this swap-mode thing and basically it just felt like Dante was never complete. He should've just been able to do all those moves and switched up his weapons:shrug:

But, this is just my opinion of where the series is headed. I was looking for more, and I have enough games to test my reflexes with:shrug:

Well it certainly has drastically change in terms of design and style.
If you look at Devil may Cry 1. the way Dante was designed , his clothe, his face , and the way he moved. He was really what I called " sobre and stylish " I really loved the way he walked , And you could easuly feel that he was someone confident and mature. He was really elegant in the way he performed his attacks and faces the ennemis.

In DMC 2 theey changed his style making him darker but too cocky. He didn't talk that much but was still mature but too dark.

In DMC3 it looks like they wanted to appeal to a younger audience who like Visual Key , J-ROCK - and making Dante a " Bad Boy " who always make fun of everything and make him look like a rocker. But I didn't like his look too fashioned. He just had another kibnd of " style " But I think for younger people. DMC1 Dante had really that design and cool looking design similar to the ones from Resident Evil.

And for Devil may Cry 4 they kist combined 3 + 1 = 4
Trying to make a cool Dante with a cool attitude from DMC 1 + talking side provocating side from DMC3.
But i miss DMC 1 Dante's Attitude.

In terms of Level design , background I also miss the dark , gothic touch and organic of DMC1. the castle and architecture was amazing. And having this cool character dress in bloody red contrasting with the environment was amazing.
So were the ennemis with their charism ( Phantom was amazing , the blades, the shadows ).

In DMC 2 they just put buildings and an annoying city with moves that you could not really put ( wall running was unuseful at all ). And the ennemis were lame and ugly. But let's forgive Tanaka.

In DMC 3! they really make things up ! and put an amazing gameplay with good level design and the styles were really well studied the weapons well done. It is one of the best action game ever made.

And for DMC4 they changed drastically the design. Putting a new character to appeal to a new kind of audience who doesn 't know the series and I don't really like the architecture from this new DMC. It does miss this dark tune. I don't really like Agnus and the new character cast , the ennemies don't look that scary and lack personnality.
But it's still a DMC..
I m exciting to play it again but also disapointed by the direction the game has taken. Just look like they wanted to make a big change.

[OmniCloud]

The demo is cool but I'm disappointed. If its running in 60fps then my eyes have been completely fooled because it looks like its using 30 - 60 switch to me. The insane smoothness of the trailers is what really had me going.

But it does have vibration :D And I felt right at home having been playing DMC1 all week. Difficulty was upsetting - shoulda given us difficulty levels (although I did die against that boss). DMC ain't about being easy. I kept messing up on the controls. Kept hitting triangle to jump.
Its a bit slightly very annoying that nero jumps straight up rather than forward and up like Dante.

- takes it back - the frame rate is alright but still doesn't look as smooth as the vidsIt's funny because the cut-scenes look downright awesome and it's using in-game assets as far as I can tell.

Then it goes back to actual gameplay, and I'm like"downgrade much:huh:"

lol...DMC1 is still the best man

nice post Teeda...agree with every word...

[³¹¹]

I had a lot of fun in that 10 minute. I played a little DMC3 and didn't really find it doing anything for me. But this, for some reason I'm taking a liking it to it.

Colour me impressed.

[Hisham]

From what I have seen on my TV, the 360 version looks better than the PS3 version. And that is probably because of the PS3 not being able to scale to 1080i like the 360 can.

Anyways, I'm sorta disappointed they went back to a DMC1 sorta style rather than stay to DMC3's sorta style, but I think I'll still get it (if I don't, I'm pretty sure my brother will).

[Black Dragon37]

DMC1 for Nero.

DMC3 for Dante.

[cliffbo]

same game, same graphics, same music, same sound effects... i'll get it but because i like the series and not because i think it's exceptional

[LaLiLuLeLo]

same game, same graphics, same music, same sound effects... i'll get it but because i like the series and not because i think it's exceptional

Pretty much. I doubt I'll be pining for a DMC5. Definitely will get the regular edition of this.

[Hisham]

There is one thing that this series always has going for it and that is the gameplay. It has always been exceptionally fast and has a great and deep system. Better than any other action game IMO.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I hate to pick favorites between God of War and DMC, so I won't, but I can easily say I like either of them better than Ninja Gaiden. But I won't go on that tangent today.

[cliffbo]

GOW without a doubt for me! i still think DMC is a good game though

[TrueVCU]

I hate to pick favorites between God of War and DMC, so I won't, but I can easily say I like either of them better than Ninja Gaiden. But I won't go on that tangent today.

I'm gonna guess it's got something to do with the fact that playing Ninja Gaiden well requires your core to be so hard it could cut diamonds

[LaLiLuLeLo]

They're very different action games, and GoW did take a lot out of DMC's gameplay book. So you have to give it the nod. But it's like asking me to choose between asians and red-heads. Just...don't make me do that!

GoW definitely has better story telling, hands down.

I'm gonna guess it's got something to do with the fact that playing Ninja Gaiden well requires your core to be so hard it could cut diamonds

Well, I was beating the game (and would have before my PS3 got stolen, at which point I said fuck starting over), but I just hate the way the game looks so bad that I just can't be bothered. And the Rachel missions are retarded and unbalanced bullshit. I've gone on about this many times before, so I'll save it today.


Ninja Gaiden's art directors should be fired and Itagaki needs to take his head out of his ass!

[TrueVCU]

I THOUGHT sigma looked suspiciously like a high class PS2 title

[TEEDA]

I would ' ve loved to have a sequel of God hand. I loved that game.

[Hisham]

Haha, God Hand. Everyone hated that game, but didn't realize it was supposed to be like a wacky B movie. It was funny as hell, and I liked the gameplay haha.

Anyways, DMC > GOW gameplay wise for me. Storywise GOW gets it. But the cutscenes are always cooler in DMC just because of the cool choreography. Anyways, since I'm a gameplay whore, I'd say DMC is the better game overall, but they are both great games.

Ninja Gaiden was good, but it wasn't great. I had shitty camera angles, but the action was fun...

HS on the other hand, had great voice acting, but it had the worst gameplay. It also had framerate issues that pissed me off to no end. And to me, it's story was just stupid, so it couldn't even use that as a redeeming factor.

There is my breakdown of the major action games.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Oh there he go, had to dog heavenly sword. @_@

[raVen]

1.) Devil May Cry (definitive 3rd person action game series. full stop)
2.) God of War (isnt really like the other games in the list it's almost like a Isometric dungeon hack with action adventure infused... on crack... to the 10th power... not 20th)
3.) Ninja Gaiden (Challenging and it really lets you establish yourself as a skilled player.)
4.) Heavenly Sword (It was a good start, they'll have to define the sword stances more making -you didn't really need to switch) thats assuming the stick with the heavenly sword for the next game.

[TrueVCU]

Oh there he go, had to dog heavenly sword. @_@

Dude I'll call you back, It's On

[Cyrus]

For me: HS>DMC>NG>GoW. HS has gameplay + presentation nailed, DMC has gameplay nailed and some presentation, NG has gameplay, GoW has some gameplay and better presentation than NG or DMC. All are 90+ scoring games for me but that's the order I view them in.

God Hand would probably fit in there somewhere as well but havent played it yet although I do have it. IGN review of God Hand was pretty retarded right? :D

DMC4 demo is sweeet but cant really say how the final game will end up (better or worse than DMC3?)

[Segitz]

Well, there you have it... different people different taste...

In my opinion none of these games even remotely touch GoW... Why I love it so much? Well, the story is decent to good, the controls are great and the graphics are superb (for a PS2 game)... The others other just... well... different. I liked DMC 1 and 3 too, but they are in no contest with GoW imho (not even talking about HS here, I made my point when I played it in September, and I still feel, that this game is a 6/10)... Didn't play NGS beside the demo



Well... Why oh why did they add a time limiter on the demo? I doesn't make sense (I made it exactly as far as the second part with the endboss starts)... It's not like I can do everything Nero can do, is it? Well, maybe they only released the exact same code as they had at (whereever this demo was unveiled)...

[TEEDA]

Well what was amazing in God Hand was the custom combos. You could create hundred of combos , the boss fight were amazing I love the boss fights and the difficulty was godly awesome. You could die 50 times in front of a boss.
The the maniabilty was kinda odd and you could n t block like in DMC you cannot block either but the combos are cool.

[D3adcell]

The demo was alright, the game looks really good. The only thing I had a problem with was the difficulty seemed like DMC2 or something. It was way easy, didn't even get hit until beliar.

[OmniCloud]

yeah Segitz, I would God of War is the best action game out of those 4. NG would be one of my favorites if the art direction wasn't so lame. Stage 1-Ninjas!! Stage 2--Dinosaurs!! :huh: um...ok, that's whack...

Heavenly Sword's combat system needs to be ironed out and the game needs to improve it's fps, it has potential, but I wouldn't rate it higher than DMC.

God of War
DMC
HS
NG

in that order...Different strokes for different folks...

[Nameless]

I was really impressed with the visuals; really impressed!
The demo only supported 720P, but the visuals were so crisp and sharp.
This game has to be running at a native 1280X720 and looks incredible.
I initially thought the combat was repetitive, but once I got additional skills I can see some depth in the combat engine. I agree the regular enemies seem too easy and weak, but the boss battle felt ok from a difficulty perspective.

I will definately purchase this game after playing the demo.

BTW I have to agree with Omni that GOW has the best overall story and cinematic sequences of all actions titles period.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

God Hand did some cool stuff but they dropped the ball on some basics like camera positioning, character maneuvering (standing in place to turn went out of style with Resident Evil 2). UNFORGIVABLE.

Here's my 2 cents. And 1 and 2 can go either way depending on my mood. But I do think DMC's combat system is more challenging, and more rewarding. though it's apples and oranges overall, east vs west sensibilities.

1)Devil May Cry series-The game forces you to be good, badass, and slick without ever being unbalanced or having game-breaking flaws.
2)God of War- Most compelling main character, some of the best presentation until Heavenly Sword came along, did a lot of things bigger and more viscerally than other action games. This is Kratos, this is his story, this is how he does things. If you have to desecrate this corpse/murder this man/burn this guy for the gods to progress, then dammit, that's what he's gonna do, there's no good or bad, just Kratos. Better story-telling than Devil May Cry, though DMC's has gotten pretty engaging with 3.
2)Heavenly Sword- A great first attempt. Production values, characters and acting was great, and compelled me to push forward. When I got to the end of the game, I SO wanted to complete it. It just felt epic, it felt grand. The combat system in my honest opinion is good, but needs fine tuning. Sometimes it tries to do too much at once, in a fast paced action game, parries should be relatively easy to do regardless of the stance. A great start to a franchise, that just needs tweaking in certain areas, but overall I loved it. Part of this might be because half the reason I play games, a big part of why I play games, is to see them. And HS is a visual feast.
3)Ninja Gaiden- Yeah, it's really super hard, but so the fuck what? I can't stand to look at it. Not because it's not 'teh ps3 leet graphics'. Moreso because the game has you fighting ninjas, terrorists, soldiers, demons, spiders and dinosaur skeletons, tanks and helicopters, all wrapped in one rather uninspired Dead Or Alive aesthetic, and they expect me to believe that shit. This isn't the fucking Genesis era man, you can't just throw a lot of things that qualify as 'cool shit' into one game without any thought and expect it to stick. It looks stupid. That's probably the most distracting thing about this game to me besides the camera angle. And if we're talking Sigma, man, fuck that game. Rachel needs to rot in hell, in satan's asshole. She's got a big death dealing hammer but you have to work twice as hard as you did with Ryu because she's so fucking slow, but you're still fighting the same ninjas and demons that Ryu fights! They brought Rachel in for Sigma, and just left balanced gameplay out on the street. 'Please hurry up and get this level over with so I can get back to playing Ryu.'

This game has a worse case of identity crisis than Cloud after he fell into the lifestream. ugh.

[TrueVCU]

Demo was a hoot, reminded me of Onimusha in many good ways. Didn't beat the timer, didn't really care this time out :P

I just really wish they could find a way to get a handle on the camera angles, though

[yoshaw]

Played DMC4 demo last night with couple of my friends.

Impressions.....



















Fcuking Brilliant!!!!

[VideoGame mania]

Got my ass kicked by Bariel 6 times in a row.
First time playthrough drained his health to almost zero and I died by lava attack.
Geez, FPS games spoiled me, I'm pissed.
Nonetheless, I'm getting the game it's awesome.

[Zer0-Sum]

I played the demo. It is DMC. Everything I wanted with great looking graphics and the same solid gameplay as DMC and DMC3. I can't wait for the full game.

And I don't like comparing GOW and DMC. They are similar but very different in many ways. Both have strengths and weaknesses. And I love both. But that is just my 2 cents adjusted for inflation.

[OmniCloud]

after playing the game again, I can now see why so many posters are disagreeing with me.

This is the same great gameplay of the DMC series. The thing is, I just played DMC recently and I wanted a huge leap over what I was playing when I just got an update.

I won't dog the game anymore cuz I see how people could be excited. But yeah, like Lali said, I won't be itching to play DMC5...and Pixel Junk Monsters might consume a nice portion of my gametime for the next few months as well;)

[Zer0-Sum]

I will be inching to play every single DMC ever made, but that is because I am addicted to the fast hard core action. I am a DMC junkie FOR LIFE. ;) Fellow DMC Junkies Unite!! :)

[Hisham]

I will be inching to play every single DMC ever made, but that is because I am addicted to the fast hard core action. I am a DMC junkie FOR LIFE. ;) Fellow DMC Junkies Unite!! :)

Yep, it is that gameplay that I love!

[Diresu]

yeah Segitz, I would God of War is the best action game out of those 4. NG would be one of my favorites if the art direction wasn't so lame. Stage 1-Ninjas!! Stage 2--Dinosaurs!! :huh: um...ok, that's whack...

Heavenly Sword's combat system needs to be ironed out and the game needs to improve it's fps, it has potential, but I wouldn't rate it higher than DMC.

God of War
DMC
HS
NG

in that order...Different strokes for different folks...

Thats about my order too. Except there should be a gap between God of War and DMC because to me at least they are not even close. Nothing touches God of War in my book as of yet. Dante might act like a badass but Kratos climbed out of HELL. He don't act, he just is.

[Zer0-Sum]

Thats about my order too. Except there should be a gap between God of War and DMC because to me at least they are not even close. Nothing touches God of War in my book as of yet. Dante might act like a badass but Kratos climbed out of HELL. He don't act, he just is.

Dante is half demon, he does not act like a bad ass, he IS a bad ass.

[OmniCloud]

Dante is half demon, he does not act like a bad ass, he IS a bad ass.ah yes...but Kratos is a GOD....

He chews up half-demons like Winterfresh!

[Zer0-Sum]

ah yes...but Kratos is a GOD....

He chews up half-demons like Winterfresh!

Yah, now he is, but that could change. He is not an original God of Greece. He stole his power. One bitch slap from Zeus and Kratos is human again.

[Diresu]

Yah, now he is, but that could change. He is not an original God of Greece. He stole his power. One bitch slap from Zeus and Kratos is human again.

er....Kratos is the one doing the slapping...*cough*

[cliffbo]

http://they.misled.us/images/kratos.jpghttp://www.abbyshot.com/newsletters/photos/dante-dmc03.jpg

we all know who would win lol

[Overload]

Kratos isn't even a God, he lost his powers from the start of the second game. The dudes rolling with the Titans now.

I like the fact that the original team is working on this DMC, they know there shit. I still want to see how dante plays, the last video I seen has him moving more slower than in part 3.

This games not like heavenly sword, the demo is nothing compared to the game. If you think all your gonna be doing is limited to whats in this demo then your wrong, dont forget about the Devil Trigger. I think Nero is gonna get another type of attack to complement his Lock+forward+grab with a Lock+backwards+grab. I dont even know if he gets any other type of weapons, but Dante has 3 other weapons to play around with(sure 2 have been seen before) but that Pandora's Box is gonna be else. Plus with the ability to change style in mid battle(something that should have been in the 3rd game). This game is without a doubt a purchase. I wonder what a maxed out Nero could do.

If you really what to see whats in this game watch that 4min TGS video. That amps me up everytime. Swords, Guns, Women and Demons. Devil May Cry.

[Zer0-Sum]

er....Kratos is the one doing the slapping...*cough*

I am sorry, but Zeus would waste Kratos. He is King of the Gods...

http://they.misled.us/images/kratos.jpghttp://www.abbyshot.com/newsletters/photos/dante-dmc03.jpg

we all know who would win lol

It is pointless to argue. It is like arguing about comic book characters fighting.....

And I have a new theory. Is Nero Dante's son?

[TEEDA]

You know like me that what is amazing in GOW is the violent death animations of each nnemies you face. Like the giant trolls. It seemed so violent that you could feel the brutality of Kratos crushing those bones and everything.
And the different smashing buttons and combination ( turning the stick, pushing the right button ) was nice.
Where in DMC one of the main goals since the first DMC was to keep the ennemy in air and unleashing powerful moves and combos while avoiding every attacks ans feeling invincible.

And of course GOW shared some elements from DMC before and GOW team are fans of DMC. So they can always steal some nice ideas. well we always steal the best ideas not the worse.
And the ennemis from GOW were charismatic from the antics.

[TrueVCU]

I will be inching to play every single DMC ever made

except 2 :eek2:

[Zer0-Sum]

except 2 :eek2:

There was a number 2? I don't remember that one.....

[cliffbo]

what we need is a deck of DMC and GOW cards for Eye Of Judgement, to test this out

[TrueVCU]

There was a number 2? I don't remember that one.....

of course not, your brain blocked it out as a defense mechanism

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I am sorry, but Zeus would waste Kratos. He is King of the Gods...



Not really, considering Kratos fucked Zeus' shit up in 2, but ran away before Kratos could finish him off.
Oh, and...
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2008/20080125.jpg

[Zer0-Sum]

Not really, considering Kratos fucked Zeus' shit up in 2, but ran away before Kratos could finish him off.

Well I guess GOW2 is just ignoring all the mythos history of Greek mythology then. Zeus was all powerful. But oh well, it is a video game.

Back on thread subject.

Is Nero Dante's son or younger brother?

[TrueVCU]

Well I guess GOW2 is just ignoring all the mythos history of Greek mythology then. Zeus was all powerful.

Of course it's ignoring the mythos, since Kratos is fucking Vengeance Incarnate

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well I guess GOW2 is just ignoring all the mythos history of Greek mythology then. Zeus was all powerful. But oh well, it is a video game.

Back on thread subject.

Is Nero Dante's son or younger brother?

Neither. Just a fanboy with too much hair bleach.

[Zer0-Sum]

Neither. Just a fanboy with too much hair bleach.

You don't think there is a deeper connection? That would be LAME.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I wouldn't rule one out, but so far Capcom has only led us to believe that his appearance and resemblance to The Brothers Sparda is simply for aesthetic and thematic purposes.

[cliffbo]

I wouldn't rule one out, but so far Capcom has only led us to believe that his appearance and resemblance to The Brothers Sparda is simply for aesthetic and thematic purposes.

or to save space on a DVD (j/k)

[Zer0-Sum]

I wouldn't rule one out, but so far Capcom has only led us to believe that his appearance and resemblance to The Brothers Sparda is simply for aesthetic and thematic purposes.

I don't buy it at all. It would be a "Vader and Luke" type surprise. "Nero, I am your father....- Dante.". That would be kool.

Also, is Nero really evil? Why has Dante gone crazy? Is he really evil/crazy or is he just REALLY pissed about something?

[TrueVCU]

Also, is Nero really evil? Why has Dante gone crazy? Is he really evil/crazy or is he just REALLY pissed about something?

He's pissed because, since 2 takes place in the future in that continuity, he has THAT to look forward to.

(okay I'm done knocking on 2 for now :P)

[Zer0-Sum]

He's pissed because, since 2 takes place in the future in that continuity, he has THAT to look forward to.

(okay I'm done knocking on 2 for now :P)

Again, WTF are you talking about? :P

[LaLiLuLeLo]

or to save space on a DVD (j/k)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/FAIL.jpg

I don't buy it at all. It would be a "Vader and Luke" type surprise. "Nero, I am your father....- Dante.". That would be kool.

Also, is Nero really evil? Why has Dante gone crazy? Is he really evil/crazy or is he just REALLY pissed about something?


I'll tell you what's gonna happen. It's gonna be MGS2. Snake..I mean..Dante, is gonna come bust shit wide open, and show Nero that all this time he's been working for the wrong people and believing in false idolatries, and should choose who he needs to be. Nero isn't evil and Dante hasn't 'gone batshit crazy.' Well not any more than he already is. Nero and Dante team up at the end to defeat the true enemy which is Nero's former masters.

[cliffbo]

I don't buy it at all. It would be a "Vader and Luke" type surprise. "Nero, I am your father....- Dante.". That would be kool.

Also, is Nero really evil? Why has Dante gone crazy? Is he really evil/crazy or is he just REALLY pissed about something?

i'm with you! there has to be some underlying reason for the similar looks. i was thinking doppelgänger

[cliffbo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/FAIL.jpg

:-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Deadboyz I answered your question it's botp on pg 29.

[TrueVCU]

Again, WTF are you talking about? :P

You Were Warned (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/561241.asp)

[cliffbo]

You Were Warned (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/561241.asp)

a God awful game! it came in between 1 and 3, can't remember the number

[Zer0-Sum]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/FAIL.jpg




I'll tell you what's gonna happen. It's gonna be MGS2. Snake..I mean..Dante, is gonna come bust shit wide open, and show Nero that all this time he's been working for the wrong people and believing in false idolatries, and should choose who he needs to be. Nero isn't evil and Dante hasn't 'gone batshit crazy.' Well not any more than he already is. Nero and Dante team up at the end to defeat the true enemy which is Nero's former masters.

Sorry, I missed that. It is possible and makes sense. We will see. It goes with my "Dante got fuct over" theory. Nero is getting fuct over too the most likely. But are they related?

i was thinking doppelgänger

Mmm, could be. Or some mutant clone maybe?

[cliffbo]

or two sides of black... self V ego?

[Diresu]

I am sorry, but Zeus would waste Kratos. He is King of the Gods...



Did you play GOW2?

[TrueVCU]

Mmm, could be. Or some mutant clone maybe?

http://dwave.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/bender.jpg
Now Taking All Bets: Clone, Robot, or Long Lost Twin?!

[Zer0-Sum]

Did you play GOW2?

Yes I did. I just think it is lame that Kratos could beat Zeus. For me it goes like this. Aries could never beat Zeus. So conversely Kratos with all the power of Aries behind him could not beat Zeus either. But Kratos being supported by the other Gods could beat Aries because they are all on the same level as Aries. But is a game, so who cares right?

I vote that Nero is Dante's son as he is significantly younger than Dante. Dante and on of the ruthless hotties from one of the past game had a kid.

[Diresu]

Yes I did. I just think it is lame that Kratos could beat Zeus. For me it goes like this. Aries could never beat Zeus. So conversely Kratos with all the power of Aries behind him could not beat Zeus either. But Kratos being supported by the other Gods could beat Aries because they are all on the same level as Aries. But is a game, so who cares right?

I vote that Nero is Dante's son as he is significantly younger than Dante. Dante and on of the ruthless hotties from one of the past game had a kid.

Doesn't change the fact that he bitch slaps Zeus :)

[OmniCloud]

Indeed, I do think DMC1's Dante is as cool as Kratos tho, but Kratos is just in a whole different universe with different powers and all that nonsense. It would be nice if they both got put in a Sony "smash brothers" like game or Soul Calibur or something.

btw--anyone know how long you have to play a Nero?

[AC!D]

Well he is his son so why couldnt he defeat him?

[OmniCloud]

Yes I did. I just think it is lame that Kratos could beat Zeus. For me it goes like this. Aries could never beat Zeus. So conversely Kratos with all the power of Aries behind him could not beat Zeus either. But Kratos being supported by the other Gods could beat Aries because they are all on the same level as Aries. But is a game, so who cares right?

I vote that Nero is Dante's son as he is significantly younger than Dante. Dante and on of the ruthless hotties from one of the past game had a kid.Even in that way of thinking, Kratos is Zeus's son. So he should have the potential to be as strong as daddy right?

Edit: Didn't see that post above me:duh:

[AC!D]

I think they said about 60% of the games first half is Nero and the other 40% Dante which strikes me as odd cause you have to level up Dantes different styles like trickster and gunplay so how would you have enough time to do that now unless you sit in one spot and keep killing for ages.

[Zer0-Sum]

Well he is his son so why couldn't he defeat him?

By Greek Mythology standards Kratos would be akin to Hercules and would be a Demi-God. So he would get his ass whipped by Zeus under those standards. Zeus slapped Hercules around like a child all the time. But it is a game, so I guess fuck the mythology and invent new mythology. :shrug:

btw--anyone know how long you have to play a Nero?

This is a great question. I would like to know too.

[AC!D]

Yeah Balrog actually states in his blog that Kratos was supposed to fight Hercules in GOW2 but they didnt have enough time to put this boss fight in.
Im guessing this is the brother connection we see at the end of GOW1.
So im expecting a KRATOS VS HERCULES fight for GOW3. I hope they make it epic.

Read my post above i said Nero 60% and Dante 40% according to PSM review and the game gets really really tough when you start playing as Dante.

[Zer0-Sum]

Yeah Balrog actually states in his post that Kratos was supposed to fight Hercules in GOW2 but they didnt have enough time to put this boss fight in.
Im guessing this is the brother connection we see at the end of GOW1.
So im expecting a KRATOS VS HERCULES fight for GOW3. I hope they make it epic.

That would KICK ASS. Herc vs Kratos in the ring slugging it out.

By I digress, back on to the subject at hand, DMC4!:pinky: :)

[bilbobob007]

Just had a second go at the demo. First time round I was not too impressed. It really reminded me of a `Trophy Wife`. Great to look at but not a lot of in there. Seems a bit bland after uncharted. Kind of pretty but empty. Same old game play. But then thats what makes it DMC. Maybe i'm looking for something too deep. Sure it will make for a good new experience on the `other` console for anyone who has never played DMC. But me......... Getting old i think.

[GTShotoKen]

I recently got my hands on the both version of the demo and I have to say it looks damn pretty (prettier than any other console game that runs at 60fps). Graphics aside, I have to say that the music is so unreasonably annoying. It's like a remixed version of the DMC3 fight music and that got old fast. At least the first DMC had different music from time to time.

The important thing though is gameplay. I actually think Nero is a huge step in the right direction in making truly free form combos. The use of the exceed system (truly great addition) with the devil bringer brings many possibilties. Nero has less to work with than Dante, but the moves he has are more versatile, which I like.

This is definitely more of the same though when it comes to feel though, which can be good or bad depending on your take on the game, but I do see Nero as the DMC series' first true imbodiment of a "deep" combo system. The devil bringer allows your chains to continue and the exceed system actually lets you change the function and power of each slash depending on how you want to fight. Dante in DMC3 was cool, but combos in that game were highly disjointed and only made since to me because of the style meter (the game was still fun though).

I definitely want this game because I love the Devil May Cry series, but I don't share the same sentiments as many others here as Ninja Gaiden and God Hand still top this series in terms of raw challenge and the versatility of the moves given to you. Dante's ability to style switch on the fly might change that, but I highly doubt it (probably because of how dull the normal enemies are to fight).

[woundingchaney]

I have liked the series though I wouldnt consider myself a fan like many others here. It is simply that something about the gameplay and pacing of the title doesnt have the appeal that I find in others in the genre. I simply prefer the GoW, NG, and HS series (in that order).

[VideoGame mania]

could someone explain how you make canceling move ?
those kids made a few crazy vids on youtube without even getting hit once.

[hybridofsteel]

could someone explain how you make canceling move ?
those kids made a few crazy vids on youtube without even getting hit once.

You're Welcome. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Lyqo4B0pm4)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

You're Welcome. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Lyqo4B0pm4)

That was fucking amazing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/1193711812959.gif

[Nameless]

I will have to play the demo again...

[Hisham]

You're Welcome. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Lyqo4B0pm4)

It is things like this that make DMC fucking awesome.

[Zer0-Sum]

You're Welcome. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Lyqo4B0pm4)

I just got schooled....:buldge:.....thank you. I feel like a noob all over again. I am going to go back and play me some DMC3....

[Diresu]

Just finished playing the demo. Its def going to be fun and a buy for me but its not a huge jump from 3.

Graphically its a mixed bag. Overall, still a must buy for me.

[OmniCloud]

Just finished playing the demo. Its def going to be fun and a buy for me but its not a huge jump from 3.

Graphically its a mixed bag. Overall, still a must buy for me.my thoughts exactly more or less...

Except it's not a must buy for me.

[Diresu]

my thoughts exactly more or less...

Except it's not a must buy for me.

Well, i just got finished playing 3 so I am still in the DMC mood so to speak and I do have a soft spot for the series =)

[Nameless]

You want to see some impressive DMC4 play check this out...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zTXDGLQmav0

Since I'm new to DMC I got a lot of work to do if I want to really learn the combat engine...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Instant Revving. Must...practice...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5g2CmW1QpA

[Jay Gee]

Damn, the Japanese didn't waste any time claiming DMC as their game again. I wonder if we'll get another Holy Thunderforce video out of them?

[hidex]

lol I didn't even know what that reving thing with L2 was. I have to practice that now.

[GTShotoKen]

I remembered Nero instantly revving during one of the old preview videos in his combo so, I was practicing how to do that during my first playthrough of the demo.

I can only get it to work when I double tap the LT (or L2) button and hold the button on the second press for a brief second during a combo to get a bar of instant rev.

That's why I was going on about Nero's basic move set being more versatile than Dante's because using the exceed system during combos really changes how a lot of the moves function.

Edit: That Japanese player was sick though (I just saw the video). His finger work must be ridiculous.

[gibmonster]

The demo was fun, but I wasn't blown away from gameplay and technical stand point. Very little has changed for me to justify paying $110 - $120 AUD for this game.

And I don't like the young characters. Nero and young Dante, they're just so damn contrived it's not amusing. Just let me play as older Dante. He's really cool.

[cliffbo]

Sigma looks cleaner than DMC! fact i'm affraid:

http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=120864

[Black Dragon37]

Should E-mpire buy out PS3Forums?

[gibmonster]

Sigma looks cleaner than DMC! fact i'm affraid:

http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=120864

The environments in the first DMC4 stage was a mixed bag. You have these environments that seem to have last gen polys with this gen textures and as a result somethings just look weird...to me anyway. Also you're still opening a door every few minutes. I feel they could have done a bit more with the environments especially when you take into account how long this game has been in development. Oh well, tis just a demo. Perhaps the final product will be better.

[cliffbo]

The environments in the first DMC4 stage was a mixed bag. You have these environments that seem to have last gen polys with this gen textures and as a result somethings just look weird...to me anyway. Also you're still opening a door every few minutes. I feel they could have done a bit more with the environments especially when you take into account how long this game has been in development. Oh well, tis just a demo. Perhaps the final product will be better.

i suppose you have to take into account that there are far less enemies on screen in Sigma (more spare pollies) but it's definitely got the edge graphically...

[OmniCloud]

The environments in the first DMC4 stage was a mixed bag. You have these environments that seem to have last gen polys with this gen textures and as a result somethings just look weird...to me anyway. Also you're still opening a door every few minutes. I feel they could have done a bit more with the environments especially when you take into account how long this game has been in development. Oh well, tis just a demo. Perhaps the final product will be better.I doubt it...

it's not a great looking game, but you kinda forget that when you have to move your thumbs like your life depend on it;)

This is why DMC doesn't really need the killer graphics, it's the combat system that fans love. For me, Its not that fun anymore and they didn't really bring it to my new PS3 in a different cool/new way. I already bled my thumbs to death with DMC and a little with DMC3--toss me a bone or something Capcom, the series is getting redundant.

anyway, glad I'm not the only one that wasn't extremely impressed with the title...

[GTShotoKen]

I doubt it...

it's not a great looking game, but you kinda forget that when you have to move your thumbs like your life depend on it;)

This is why DMC doesn't really need the killer graphics, it's the combat system that fans love. For me, Its not that fun anymore and they didn't really bring it to my new PS3 in a different cool/new way. I already bled my thumbs to death with DMC and a little with DMC3--toss me a bone or something Capcom, the series is getting redundant.

anyway, glad I'm not the only one that wasn't extremely impressed with the title...

I never said I was extremely impressed with this title. :lol:

DMC3 got repetitive to me after my first play through.

Most of the enemies in the game were just punching bags used to rack up your style meter. The only satisfying fights to me were the Beowulf and the last fight against Vergil. They actually made it seem useful to take advantage of DMC3's fighting engine to conquer enemies more so than sheer vanity.

From what I see so far, DMC4 doesn't seem to change the forumla much either, but I have to give the team props for the ingenuity of Nero. Hopefully the full game will change my mind about the series' direction (though it will be fun either way lol).

[Shadow Voa]

If anyone has me on the friends list on PSN then you'll know all Ive been playing is this demo. Im addicted to it and Ive already put $80 aside for this game in a few weeks.

Im playin it as we speak!!

[GTShotoKen]

If anyone has me on the friends list on PSN then you'll know all Ive been playing is this demo. Im addicted to it and Ive already put $80 aside for this game in a few weeks.

Im playin it as we speak!!

Have you found out an easier way to do instant exceed charges?

Anyways, I want to hear people's feed back on Nero.

Do you see Nero's slightly methodical nature as a good replacement for Dante's fast and furious nature?

We all know part of the game will be played with Dante so I'm definitely wondering if people will see themselves getting sick of Nero and wanting to jump to Dante's sections.

Edit: Oh, will royal guard actually be fun to use now that Dante will have style switching on the fly?

[gibmonster]

I doubt it...

it's not a great looking game, but you kinda forget that when you have to move your thumbs like your life depend on it;)

This is why DMC doesn't really need the killer graphics, it's the combat system that fans love. For me, Its not that fun anymore and they didn't really bring it to my new PS3 in a different cool/new way. I already bled my thumbs to death with DMC and a little with DMC3--toss me a bone or something Capcom, the series is getting redundant.

anyway, glad I'm not the only one that wasn't extremely impressed with the title...

my sentiments exactly. this game could have benefited from the RE4 treatment. Its good just nowhere near over 100 AUD good.

[Shadow Voa]

Have you found out an easier way to do instant exceed charges?

Anyways, I want to hear people's feed back on Nero.

Do you see Nero's slightly methodical nature as a good replacement for Dante's fast and furious nature?

We all know part of the game will be played with Dante so I'm definitely wondering if people will see themselves getting sick of Nero and wanting to jump to Dante's sections.

Edit: Oh, will royal guard actually be fun to use now that Dante will have style switching on the fly?

No I havent, been playing around trying to figure out if I can do it...

On the second part, Nero is really great for easing in new players to the series and giving them that OP arm ability. The arm is the equivalent of JC in DMC3 since you can most of the time remain constantly in mid air.

However, once the player is comfortable with Nero and how overpowered he is Capcom takes him away, kicks the difficulty up extremely and gives you Dante who requires skill which is where I cant wait to get started.

But I wonder if Dante will die giving way to Nero as the main hero in DMC5... it seems heavily foreshadowed to me personally.

[Black Dragon37]

Dante won't die.

I reckon DMC5 will pick up where DMC2 left off story-wise.

Which is why they introduced Nero. I mean, someone has to go though Hell to get Dante back, right?

[hidex]

The way that I practice instant exceed charges where at the beginning of the snow stage where there is no one around.

I think pretty close to where the attack ends you can press L2. Like if you press back + attack Nero does a upper cut with the sword. I think you press
L2 at the top of the arc. If you do the exceed charge back + attack button it is the fire one but I think you press L2 at the point where the sword is at Nero's back.

Just like I sword slash you can press L2 then the next slash you can press L2 again. You can press L2 through out the whole combo.

Well thats what I've done.

[Shadow Voa]

^ Oh very true, I kinda forgot Dante was still in Hell... I do what I can to forget DMC2 altogether.

[GTShotoKen]

I've always wondered what it would be like if Hideki Kamiya would comeback and make a deal with Capcom to direct the next sequel for the series in his vision (the true successor to DMC1 you might say).

He's directed some of the best games ever: Resident Evil 2, DMC1, Viewtiful Joe, and Okami.

[OG_Monkey]

The demo was fun, but I wasn't blown away from gameplay and technical stand point. Very little has changed for me to justify paying $110 - $120 AUD for this game.

And I don't like the young characters. Nero and young Dante, they're just so damn contrived it's not amusing. Just let me play as older Dante. He's really cool.


Yea, i agree gib, i dont really care much for Nero nor the stupid devil bringer. I think its stupid to me, plain and simple. Wouldve just preferred straight Dante or at least tell us what happened to Virgil. But no, we get Nero.

Maybe im not as excited for this game as i thought i was....but still, im buying


So what is it, like this now:

DMC3 - DMC 1 - DMC2 - DMC4?

[Black Dragon37]

Dmc3 - Dmc1 - Dmc4 - Dmc2.

[OG_Monkey]

oh ok.

[OmniCloud]

I would switch up DMC3 with DMC...

DMC3 had some nice new features and fleshed out Dante more, but his teenage bad boy character didn't match up to DMC's Dante.

[masteratt]

Meh, not my type of game.

I didn't really get the point of the game.
It was too easy and how do you do combos?

It's just shoot and hit with sword?
And the grapple.

I completed both modes and was highly unsatisfied and didn't get if I meant to kill them with style or just kill them quickly....I did both anyway and it was still easy and unsatisfying :shrug:

That's my take on it, hope others enjoyed it more than I did.

[Nameless]

I'm impressed with the demo and plan to purchase the title next month.
Since I'm fairly new to the series I got a lot to learn about the fighting engine; I'm starting to get my IR timing down... The only complaint I have is the character design; the main characters look amazing, but the level enemies were not that impressive in the demo. The fire boss looked amazing, but I would expect the level bosses to look impressive. I hope the final game gives you some better enemies to battle throughout the levels...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I would switch up DMC3 with DMC...

DMC3 had some nice new features and fleshed out Dante more, but his teenage bad boy character didn't match up to DMC's Dante.

He's talking timeline, not caliber.

[OG_Monkey]

yea

[Matt]

OK, so I got the first game the other day. I haven't had a lot of time to play it, I've been working a lot, and the free time I have had has been used on Burnout. I'll definitely be playing more DMC through the week though, I think it's pretty cool. I got up to the part where you have to fight that massive lava spider. It's kinda odd getting used to the controls, but I'm sure that'll pass.

[OmniCloud]

He's talking timeline, not caliber.ooooohhh...:duh:

lol

[GTShotoKen]

OK, so I got the first game the other day. I haven't had a lot of time to play it, I've been working a lot, and the free time I have had has been used on Burnout. I'll definitely be playing more DMC through the week though, I think it's pretty cool. I got up to the part where you have to fight that massive lava spider. It's kinda odd getting used to the controls, but I'm sure that'll pass.

Speaking of controls, I'm pretty weird because I still play with DMC1's control style, so it was weird for me that I couldn't change the controls in the demo (I'm weird like that though). :lol:

I hope you have fun with the first DMC. I have to give you a word of advice that taking advantage of Dante's devil trigger was much more integral in the first title (and useful too).

[cliffbo]

'why is the PS3 version more expensive?'

Quote:
I didn't realise we were the only publisher doing this. In actuality, it's not that the PS3 version has been made more expensive, but that our business model has allowed us to discount the Xbox 360 version.

'oh that's alright then'

[Shadow Voa]

I would switch up DMC3 with DMC...

DMC3 had some nice new features and fleshed out Dante more, but his teenage bad boy character didn't match up to DMC's Dante.

Yeah but that's the point since he was a reckless and pretty stupid guy who called himself a Devil Hunter. But he changes and becomes more refined after DMC3 and we see it in DMC and DMC4 and finally though his final game was fucking ass... DMC2 Dante is the definition of bad-fucking-ass.

His story was just plain ass... expect for being stuck in hell, great potential for DMC5.

[OG_Monkey]

The decision to price the PS3 version of Devil May Cry 4 £10 higher than the Xbox 360 version came from retailers, not publisher Capcom, VideoGamer.com has learned.

Speaking to VideoGamer.com, a spokesperson for Capcom said: "We don't set the prices of our games, that's at the discretion of the retailer. In this specific instance, the process has resulted in a price difference, but the process itself is not something we completely control."

While DMC4 is certainly not the first multi-format game to be more expensive on the PS3, in this case some PS3 owners have complained at the higher price for what is essentially the same game on a different console.

High street specialist retailer GAME lists DMC4 with an RRP of £49.99 on PS3 and £39.99 on Xbox 360. Both Play.com and Amazon.co.uk list the same pricing.

Regular readers will know the game, which is due out on both consoles on 8 February, looks in good shape. You an check out why in our recent Devil May Cry 4 hands on. When you've done that, why not check out the latest Devil May Cry 4 trailer on our video player?

How do you feel about having to fork out an extra tenner for the PS3 version of DMC4? Let us know in the comments section below.

damn...well...for some reason, i dont really believe them

[Black Dragon37]

They aren't called RRPs for nothing.

[Hisham]

damn...well...for some reason, i dont really believe them

Pricing is at the discresion of retailers, atleast it is hear in North America. They have the MSRP (manufactures suggested retail price) but they are allowed to sell it at whatever price they want.

What I think is that retailers are buying less copies of the PS3 version, so by way of mass manufacturing, Capcom has to spend more per each disk (buying in bulk vs. buying sperately). This would probably mean they have to sell the PS3 version of the game to retaliers at a bit of a higher price. And that in turn makes retailers jack up the price of that version. I don't think it is anything that capcom is doing specifically, but more to do with economics.

[OG_Monkey]

They aren't called RRPs for nothing.


...?

Pricing is at the discresion of retailers, atleast it is hear in North America. They have the MSRP (manufactures suggested retail price) but they are allowed to sell it at whatever price they want.

What I think is that retailers are buying less copies of the PS3 version, so by way of mass manufacturing, Capcom has to spend more per each disk (buying in bulk vs. buying sperately). This would probably mean they have to sell the PS3 version of the game to retaliers at a bit of a higher price. And that in turn makes retailers jack up the price of that version. I don't think it is anything that capcom is doing specifically, but more to do with economics.

oh yea, MSRP

[Zer0-Sum]

damn...well...for some reason, i dont really believe them

From what I understand Sony only dictates the minimum that console and games can be sold for. Not counting stores having a sale, which is temporary, prices are fixed. Any store can charge more if they want to. Which would be stupid, so don't shop at that store.

[OG_Monkey]

But its for that whole region...which is kinda weird

[AC!D]

This i pathetic i smell something fishy. The only territory where the PS3 is bound to sell more copies of Devil May Cry than the 360 version is the PAL teritorries and now suddenly the price is more expensive there, what the hell?

[OG_Monkey]

exactly

[Red_Eyes]

Cause they know the PS3 version is going to sell more, so they jack the price up, more profits for them. Higher demand = higher price. Economics.

[Segitz]

Cause they know the PS3 version is going to sell more, so they jack the price up, more profits for them. Higher demand = higher price. Economics.

In early days, higher sales usually meant lower prices^^ But those times seem to be gone for good^^

I find this rather disturbing, that retailers have a lower price on the same SKU on a different console. I mean, this has always been the case with PC games, but on PCs, they have to counter the rampant copying of games (I will not call it piracy, pirates are good people and the RIAA et al make them sound bad)

[Hisham]

It could also be the company that capcom is working with to get it out in Europe. They don't publish games in Europe so the people publishing it have the final say on pricing if I am not mistaken.

How are the UK's sales anyways? Is it a Sony dominated territory? Or is it like the US (360 territory)? Sorry I don't pay attention to sales figures...

[Black Dragon37]

The Wii's got the UK by the balls.

[OG_Monkey]

this is "supposeidly" the "last" DMC game right?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Uh, let's not even ask that question.
Believing anything Capcom says is a fool's game.

[OG_Monkey]

LOL, true

[Segitz]

It could also be the company that capcom is working with to get it out in Europe. They don't publish games in Europe so the people publishing it have the final say on pricing if I am not mistaken.

How are the UK's sales anyways? Is it a Sony dominated territory? Or is it like the US (360 territory)? Sorry I don't pay attention to sales figures...

Hm...

my boxes of DMC1 Platinum or DMC3SE don't say anything beside Capcom... Dunno if anything changed for DMC4, but I doubt it somehow (RECVX also only states Capcom)

[OG_Monkey]

this is capcom's first ps3 game right? I think the problem was the different cost in development for each system that made the ps3 version more expensive, and they aren't trying to admit it. They already got experience on the 360 and everyone already knows its cheaper to develop for on the 360 than ps3. They just decided to do it in a random region...but then again if doesn't make sense.

Either way, I dont believe them.

[VideoGame mania]

http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=2008020192219926005&releaseId=200609151285614010
SPOILERS in video
Capcom got a talent, funny and hot as hell. :lick:
Can't wait for HD version.

[OG_Monkey]

right on right on +rep

[TEEDA]

IGN score :
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images2/141801152220080202045156.jpg

[masteratt]

[pointless picking on IGN because of boredom but still raising a point] What's dodgy camera system got to do with Graphics? [/pointless picking on IGN because of boredom but still raising a point]

[curryking1]

True say man... that's totally a presentation issue, or a gameplay issue.

Definitely not a graphics issue, or very weakly associated with it to the point where no one gives a crap.

Good score though. The vids on youtube of Dante whooping the ***t out of enemies is sweet stuff :)

[OG_Monkey]

The graphics...really suck now that i play the demo again. Cutscenes look awesome...but not the game.

[Nameless]

Day one purchase...

[OG_Monkey]

yea, it still it

Should head to Toys R Us, they are getting notorious for breaking street dates now.

[OmniCloud]

The graphics...really suck now that i play the demo again. Cutscenes look awesome...but not the game.
QFT

IGN: "It makes the PS3 sing" WTF:huh:

[OG_Monkey]

lmao

[OG_Monkey]

This is lame. Very very lame. So Capcom owned itself with this Press Release. The “pixel counting” crowd hasn’t confirmed it yet, as the game’s not officially out. And I’m sure as hell not counting the pixels myself - I have a life, sort of.

Here’s the press release about the PC version:

CAPCOM Europe from the official statement will be Devil May Cry TM 4 issued on February 8. XBOX360/PC/PS3 three-oriented platform.

PC version will supports DX9 and DX10 versions.The PC version support higher resolution (In order to
maintain stability in the game at 60 FPS, XBOX360, PS3 supports only 1024 * 640 resolution).

More sophisticated textures and models. DX10 will support more graphics technology and advanced
physics, will bring greater is the visual impact. At the same time, played on the new multi-core processors perfect, if you have the updated platform, you will be good experience!

Features:

From the producer of the original Devil May Cry TM and Resident Evil TM 4
High-definition visuals moving at 60 frames per second
Blend of familiar and new: newcomer Nero clashes with veteran Dante
New characters and environments
Signature blend of guns and swordplay
Deep combo system rewards stylish dispatching of enemies
Unique “Devil Bringer” arm opens up a range of combo options
Distinct set of weaponry and moves for Nero and Dante
Exceed System allows Nero to charge up his sword with a throttle effect, revving up to three levels with powerful attack options
New active ****change system for Dante allows him to switch **** and weapons on the fly, producing crazy combo possibilities

As you can see, the PC version will be the only one supporting FULL HD, and the PC versions are upscalled really well.

God damn, I can’t believe. While reviewing it, I literally tried to separate the pixels, and it seemed like a true 1080p game. Gamers that spend $2-5k on a 1080p HDTV got screwed again.

NICE GOING, Sony and M$! Making consoles that can’t handle stable 60FPS at 1080p. I HATE YOU ALL *smashes head into wall*

Still couple more weeks to wait for the pixel counting crowd. The demos don’t count!

no wonder it looked like crap >_>

but oh well who cares. And who the hell do you count pixels? like seriously!? O_o

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Survey Says??

Don't care.

[Hisham]

Survey Says??

Don't care.

[OG_Monkey]

well soooooooooorry

[Hisham]

Seriously, I still play NES games...

Graphics are the least of my worries.

[Diresu]

This is one of the reasons I hate the american gamers mindset. Its all about graphics and everything else is second. No wonder so many good games never get their due when they come here.

[Segitz]

Hmm... Quaz at B3D says it is 720P on both PS3 and Xbox (the demo, that is)... I dunno, but I rather trust him than some other bloke I haven't ever heard of before

DMC4 demo
720p AA 2x for the two version, very similar version on every feature
Source: B3D Forums (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1120810&postcount=33)

I have my doubts, that Capcom lowered the resolution in the full game, when they already had the demo running full speed at (wherever this demo was first shown), as it is said, this is the same demo.

EDIT:

The best thing about the quote above is his statement that "the demos don't count"... I mean, where did the codebase come from? They surely didn't write the demo from scratch and made it faster than the real deal, did they?

[OmniCloud]

just for the record, since I see so many "graphics whore" bashing post. Myself and a few others bashed DMC4 not just because of the mediocre graphics, but because it's essentially the same game on a completely different next-gen platform and the one thing that should be the easiest to improve and make better (hello graphics) looks like crap compared to other games.

Not to mention next-gen titles are 60 freakin bucks a pop. The gameplay is very fun, not $60 worth of fun--especially when you have the same game (DMC&DMC3) with inferior graphics sitting right next to you.

We are always talking about not supporting the crap and franchises like Madden or whatever. But here, Capcom is IMO spitting out crap and we're just soaking it right on up because we haven't played DMC in a while:shrug:

Just go and pull out your freakin SD TV and play part 1 over--I doubt you'll miss anything:shrug:

I see why Nameless would be excited, he's never experienced the game before and it feels fresh and new to him. But if this isn't considered "milking" I dunno what is?

[Black Dragon37]

There are no ethics in business.

[Shadow Voa]

Wednesday... soon... I want to see if Devils will cry this time around!!! I cant wait!!!

[GTAce]

I completly agree with Omni.
We have 2008 and i expect 2008 worth graphics especially in the 4th part of such a known franchise, neverthless how good the core gameplay is.

[Hisham]

Play DMC3 and then play DMC4 again... DMC4 does look a lot better than 3... There is a jump in graphics... And it obviously isn't the greatest looking game, but I don't care... I enjoy the gameplay, and that is basically all I really look for...

Like I said, I play old games all the time... Hell, lately I have been playing my Dreamcast over the PS3 or the 360, so again, graphics are the least of my worries.

[Kiosko]

I bet it would've looked as good as the TGS trailer if it was exclusive...Any how, each title from DMC4 will keep on improving just a a slower pace then it normaly would.

[Hisham]

I bet it would've looked as good as the TGS trailer if it was exclusive...Any how, each title from DMC4 will keep on improving just a a slower pace then it normaly would.

It would have most likely been made on the same engine, regardless of being exclusive or not. So it probably wouldn't have looked too much better if it was exclusive...

Doesn't matter to me either way, I would have bought the game if it looked like a PS1 game, as long as it had a nice fluid framerate and gameplay that I enjoy.

[gibmonster]

Though this game is kinda fun. I don't see how it is worth the price of a new game. The graphics, though improved, could have been better regardless of being an exlusive title or not. The story and characters aren't endearing or engaging and the gameplay mechanics remain unchanged. I'm all for games with awesome gameplay..I still boot up my dreamcast and load up the numerous emulators on my hard drive, but with what games cost these days this game is a rip-off no matter how you spin it.


In summary. Is it a good game? Yes.

Is it $60USD or $100-$120AUD good? No. Most definitely not.

I am really hoping RE5 is going to be mind blowing and not just RE4 mechanics with a next-gen coat of paint.

[Shadow Voa]

Looks like someone isnt going to be buying RE5 either...

[OG_Monkey]

Its all Nero's fault...no one like him >_>

[Shadow Voa]

Hes fine, hes actually a cooler version of DMC3 Dante. Just wait, come DMC5 he will age will and become a real bad ass.

[Diresu]

Personally I liked Vergil much more then Nero so far.

[GTShotoKen]

I believe it's a problem in today's video games where a new team or director picks up someone else's ip and tries to build off of it.

There whole mind set usually ends up being, "I wanna be faithful to the original," or "Let's not do anything to alienate the fans."

Only the mind that creates the IP usually knows how to take the series in a completely new direction.

Anyways, I find Nero very refreshing as a character. I personally think I will like him better than Dante even though I will probably create much better combinations with the OG himself.

[Viper]

Got some preliminary sales data for you guys.

Devil May Cry 4 sold between 184k and 226k. The range is to give room for error.

Remember, this is preliminary and the official numbers will be out later this week.

[OmniCloud]

Though this game is kinda fun. I don't see how it is worth the price of a new game. The graphics, though improved, could have been better regardless of being an exlusive title or not. The story and characters aren't endearing or engaging and the gameplay mechanics remain unchanged. I'm all for games with awesome gameplay..I still boot up my dreamcast and load up the numerous emulators on my hard drive, but with what games cost these days this game is a rip-off no matter how you spin it.


In summary. Is it a good game? Yes.

Is it $60USD or $100-$120AUD good? No. Most definitely not.

I am really hoping RE5 is going to be mind blowing and not just RE4 mechanics with a next-gen coat of paint.This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. The game is $60!! It's a next-gen title that hardly enhances anything from it's previous iterations on an older platform. Graphics is just the starting point of the bashing, but not at all the whole reason why DMC4 is in the sucky department...

Game just seems sub-par. and I think the reviews will be really easy on it just because it's the DMC franchise...

and btw--RE4 was one of the best action games ever released last gen, a next-gen sequel where they up the ante on the graphics/new storyline/and a few new play-mechanics is a lot more tolerable than DMC.

DMC series began on PS2. It had three iterations in one gen, and the 4th (which is not that far apart) is not doing what RE4 did to the series, it's just a updated add-on pack with probably an even lamer story. (I'll have to wait on that, but so far the voice-acting sounds pretty bad)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think after you take the sequel tax off of it, it's still a good game in itself, so they can't mark it terribly low. I won't deny that it's 'hurray more of the same' though.

[OmniCloud]

^Very true...and I think the reason why I'm even bashing the game so much is because I haven't played with Dante in a while and Ninja Gaiden left a bad taste in my mouth after the first level.

I was really hoping Capcom would do something special, and I'm just disappointed really that I'll probably have to wait for God of War 3 to get my fix:cry2:

[PSXBatou]

You should have pre-ordered it when Amazon first let you do it, I am paying $49.99 and i get "free" 2 day shipping from my Prime membership.

I liked 3 a lot, I loved the demo, calling this a "Waste of money" is a more a eye of the beholder thing than an actual fact. Now on the other hand if you called Turok a "waste of money" that would be an actual fact.

Better graphics, similar gameplay to the series, similar storyline to the series all in all it seems like a good deal to someone that liked the series from the get go.

my $0.02

[OmniCloud]

nah i wouldn't call it a waste of money (ala Turok) just not worth the full price of admission, and the fact that Capcom could have made a better sequel.

[Hisham]

You should have pre-ordered it when Amazon first let you do it, I am paying $49.99 and i get "free" 2 day shipping from my Prime membership.

I liked 3 a lot, I loved the demo, calling this a "Waste of money" is a more a eye of the beholder thing than an actual fact. Now on the other hand if you called Turok a "waste of money" that would be an actual fact.

Better graphics, similar gameplay to the series, similar storyline to the series all in all it seems like a good deal to someone that liked the series from the get go.

my $0.02

Truth...

And also, GOW2 was more the same in terms of gameplay... And GOW3 will likely be the same... What do you say to that? Story kept it compelling? Then DMC isn't a game for you since it is more like a B movie with a passable story, cheesy voice acting, and corny one liners. What I like about it is its awesome gameplay that doesn't really need to change SO much. There is improvements here and there (Nero having grab combos and such) and subtlies that keep the gameplay much more fresh than some other action games. There is tons of shit in the way that DMC plays that is actually useful and pays off to learn how to pull it off (jump cancelling for one, the execption is number 2, but lets not talk about 2...). And in this new one, you'll probably have to learn how to instant-charge with Nero to pull off Exceed moves in mid combo. It is the same reason I love fighters that I love this game...

[OmniCloud]

Again tho Hisham you said God of War 2, God of War was that awesome action game that came outta nowhere (much like the first DMC) and was just pure ownage. It's sequel was equally as good and you really didn't expect a lot different just bigger/better/prettier.

I don't really like to compare those two games side by side, but IMO, God of War is just a bigger adventure than DMC, it's not pure action, and there's just more things that Kratos is doing than Dante in his world. Besides that, there's only been 2 God of War's--hardly enough time to get repetitive, and on top of that the Game encompasses a lot of different elements than just a deep combat system.

DMC on the otherhand sequel sucked, then DMC3 came which was pretty awesome, but again, wasn't entirely new or original, but definitely a must-buy. DMC4 subtle difference IMO, is just not cutting it.

God of War 2 has better if not the same scores for reviews around the web as the original, while DMC series declines? Augmenting the combat is cool, but when the price of admission is so high, I think Capcom simply could have offered more.

God of War may not be the best at everything, but it encompasses much more than the DMC series and story is just one of them that makes it feel fresh.

I'm sure there are deep things in the combat that I can figure out, but I'll just wait for Street Fighter man;) I'm not drawn enough to the game initially to even get that deep into the combat, and IMO--that's the part that Capcom should have fixed by making a more polished title.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

You expect Capcom to not stick to their guns with an established franchise? Youuuu must be crazy.

[Shadow Voa]

Re4

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah, after how many rehashes.

[Shadow Voa]

Its like evolution man, takes time and sometimes you get a few mutants along the way.

[EvilTaru]

I hate n00bass reviewers who spam rainstorm, fucking n00basses, so fucking lame. Learn to fucking play the game you fucks.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

[OG_Monkey]

$60 is too much for this game I agree. But lmfao to the higher price on the ps3 in other markets which is STILL fishy.... But anyway

This game basically is a new storyline, besides that nothing has changed but thats also a good thing...I think

Like they say, if it aint broke dont fix it so its more as the same game, but that chases repetition and the been there done that feeling. I'm actually interested in the story from the trailers I seen or else I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be buying this game.


...oh and Nero is lame

[OmniCloud]

You expect Capcom to not stick to their guns with an established franchise? Youuuu must be crazy.well they did make RE4--and it was freakin awesome;)

[GTShotoKen]

well they did make RE4--and it was freakin awesome;)

Because Shinji Mikami came back to take his franchise in a new direction (it was originally gonna be another simple zombie game before then).

[OG_Monkey]

so this game doesn't have the original director?

[OmniCloud]

Yes, I wanna know too!!!! (question above)

[Viper]

Hideki Kamiya directed DMC but has had no involvement with the series since including 4 (directed by Hideaki Itsuno).

[OmniCloud]

^Tks Viper;)

That explains it. Should've made a DMC Wii game and called it a day--I would've preferred that to this:shifty:

when the heck does Smash Bros. come out? I won't get a Wii until it does...

[Hisham]

DMC1 = Hideki Kamiya
DMC2 = Hideaki Itsuno
DMC3 = Kenji Itsuno (guy behind SFA3)
DMC4 = Hideaki Itsuno

[Zer0-Sum]

That explains it. Should've made a DMC Wii game and called it a day--I would've preferred that to this:shifty:

I would have killed some fools if they did that....:shifty:

[OmniCloud]

hahhahahahashah:lol:

Nice post Hisham...

[Zer0-Sum]

DMC1 = Hideki Kamiya
DMC2 = Hideaki Itsuno
DMC3 = Kenji Itsuno (guy behind SFA3)
DMC4 = Hideaki Itsuno

Just noticed that post Hisham. Is that all true? The same guy who did DMC2 did DMC4? If so, that sucks monkey ballz....:(

[Hisham]

I also feel the need to point out that DMC2 orginally started out as a different game, and then half way through development, they decided to put a DMC coat on it, and try and fit it into the DMC universe. That is why it sucks compared to the rest of the games... It wasn't really the directors fault...

[OG_Monkey]

Hmm...dmc2 director worked on this eh?....

And a wii dmc4 wouldve been kinda cool to use with wii mote and nunchuck, especially the devil bringer

Edit:

Ok so dmc2 was not his fault. But what happened to the dmc1 guy? Why dont they just let him do all or he said no?

[Jay Gee]

I also feel the need to point out that DMC2 orginally started out as a different game, and then half way through development, they decided to put a DMC coat on it, and try and fit it into the DMC universe. That is why it sucks compared to the rest of the games... It wasn't really the directors fault...
LOL It's Super Mario Bros. 2 all over again.

[cliffbo]

Hmm...dmc2 director worked on this eh?....

And a wii dmc4 wouldve been kinda cool to use with wii mote and nunchuck, especially the devil bringer

Edit:

Ok so dmc2 was not his fault. But what happened to the dmc1 guy? Why dont they just let him do all or he said no?

perhaps he's working on a new franchise... DA...DA...Daaaa! (this is pure speculation. i have no proof. i just felt like saying it) :-p

[OmniCloud]

LOL It's Super Mario Bros. 2 all over again.hahahahhahahahah..that game was completely not Mario...but it was kinda cool tho--I was pretty young, but I enjoyed it almost as much as regular mario;)

[Jay Gee]

Hell, I won't lie. I was a kid then as well, and it had Mario on the cover, so I ate it up like everyone else did. I whored Toad alot since he was the fastest character in the game. And the strongest too, IIRC. He could pick up plants and bombs and shit the quickest.

[Hisham]

LOL It's Super Mario Bros. 2 all over again.

Sorta... The difference is Japan got the same game as we did. And it wasn't a game that had already been made in Japan that they redid. It was a game in development...

In SMB2's case, Japan got the real SMB2 (SMB: The Lost Levels over here) and the game that they redid, called Doki Doki Panic in Japan. They ended up just redoing Doki Doki Panic with Mario sprites and making that SMB2 here. And then the real SMB2 came out during the SNES era when we got that super mario collection on the SNES... Just putting this here for people that don't know the story haha.

[Viper]

^Tks Viper;)

That explains it. Should've made a DMC Wii game and called it a day--I would've preferred that to this:shifty:

when the heck does Smash Bros. come out? I won't get a Wii until it does...

No problem.

Off topic here but it release in the US on March 9th. It just hit Japan this week and sold ~900k.


On topic. Hideki Kamiya now works for PlatinumGames which is a merger from Seeds (formerly Capcom's Clover Studio) and ODD Incorporated.

No clue what he's specifically working on.

[OG_Monkey]

damn! That much!?

[Jay Gee]

Didn't even know Japan was on Smash Brothers like that.

[OG_Monkey]

I mean I knew but still, damn

[Kiosko]

Getting my DMC4 on my way to the barber shop tommorrow!

[AC!D]

I was just wondering guys, about some of you saying that nothing has changed gameplay wise for DMC4. How would you guys go about changing the gameplay ? cause this doesnt strike me as the type of genre where you can do much to change the gameplay to the level some of you guys are expecting.

For example ninja gaiden 2 looks the same as its predecessor except for the cosmetic dismemberment. Heavenly sword didnt add anything new apart the cosmetic motion sensing and amazing combo animations. God of War 2 didnt add anything except cosmetic alterations to some combos and differing magic/weapons. I site the example of Devil May Cry 2 being a flop when they tried to change it.

I Just thought it would be interesting for you guys to relay your different thoughts and ideas for spicing up this genre any takers?

[OG_Monkey]

we dont know, thats their job to come up with new gameplay ideas. We just complain and bitch, thats our job as the consumer....

LOL jk, but I really dont know

[OG_Monkey]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30212.html

HD Review from Gametrailers

8.6

[cliffbo]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30212.html

HD Review from Gametrailers

8.6

just watched that... it's odd. they spend nearly all the review talking about the flaws and then give it 8.6... just weird

[OG_Monkey]

i know!

[OmniCloud]

I was just wondering guys, about some of you saying that nothing has changed gameplay wise for DMC4. How would you guys go about changing the gameplay ? cause this doesnt strike me as the type of genre where you can do much to change the gameplay to the level some of you guys are expecting.

For example ninja gaiden 2 looks the same as its predecessor except for the cosmetic dismemberment. Heavenly sword didnt add anything new apart the cosmetic motion sensing and amazing combo animations. God of War 2 didnt add anything except cosmetic alterations to some combos and differing magic/weapons. I site the example of Devil May Cry 2 being a flop when they tried to change it.

I Just thought it would be interesting for you guys to relay your different thoughts and ideas for spicing up this genre any takers?Personally, I'll like it if Capcom took a step in the God of War direction and blended a little more puzzle solving and story into their gameplay. Devils/Demons/Half-demons and all sorts of this kinda stuff is the background of DMC--surely an awesome story with higher production values could be told from this.

Secondly, I hate the mission based setup of DMC, I would make it more seamless, (preferably by the story) ala Uncharted. Everything blended in to make you feel like your never leaving the game, but just playing through a really long movie.

Graphics of course are just not that great, it would help a lot if the game was just more visually appealing and the artist work could come through more.

Voice acting is just terrible, even for games where you don't really care about the voice acting.

the word epic, doesn't really come to mind when you play DMC. frantic/crazy/challenging are more along the lines of this series. Would be nice if epic became a part of that as well. One th