Devil May Cry 4

[Hisham]

That's DMC1, not DMC2.

DMC1 was orginally supposed to be an RE game but was being taken in such a different direction, that it ended up becoming DMC. DMC2, so I've heard, was started as a totally new project, and was decided to become the sequel after some of the development had been done. I never really checked up on it because I always assumed it was true (seeing as how different the games are).

[GTShotoKen]

DMC1 was orginally supposed to be an RE game but was being taken in such a different direction, that it ended up becoming DMC. DMC2, so I've heard, was started as a totally new project, and was decided to become the sequel after some of the development had been done. I never really checked up on it because I always assumed it was true (seeing as how different the games are).

I believe Capcom immediately went to Itsumo for the DMC2 sequel shortly after DMC's success in Japan since Kamiya was busy with the North American version at the time.

Kamiya didn't know about DMC2 until part way into its production and was actually disappointed that Capcom didn't come to him for the sequel.

The whole premise for DMC2 makes sense if you think in the mind set "Bigger is Better", but we all know how that turned out.

Edit: By the way, what's the whole deal about people asking about Kamiya now. I wish people would read my posts from time to time lol. http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/abandoned.gif

I've always wondered what it would be like if Hideki Kamiya would comeback and make a deal with Capcom to direct the next sequel for the series in his vision (the true successor to DMC1 you might say).

He's directed some of the best games ever: Resident Evil 2, DMC1, Viewtiful Joe, and Okami.

[OG_Monkey]

does it take like 60 minutes to load thus game? What's the big whoop on installing?

[Nameless]

^ People will always find something to complain about...
I would rather do the 20min load and just find something to do during the install instead of dealing with long load times during gameplay.

The way some people are complaining you would think the HDD load time was required...

[OG_Monkey]

I'm saying its like like the games loads for hours before you can play

[LaLiLuLeLo]

People are making a mountain out of a molehill. Anyone buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma, yeah, same deal.

[OG_Monkey]

how long does that load with and w/o install?

[Hisham]

Well, from my experence with the game the 20 minute install time makes it = to 2 to 3 seconds of loading. So basically near instant loading.

I say it is a fair tradeoff. Especially since had supper during the install time.

[OmniCloud]

I will say this DMC is certainly a breath of fresh air after playing NGS....

I should've just stuck with the demo seeing as if the first part of the game is the only thing that's cool about it...

Nero is just more fun to control IMO...

still won't get it till a price drop tho--Capcom needs to step there game up.

[GTShotoKen]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Nero is interesting.

What's all this hate on Ninja Gaiden though. :lol:

[OmniCloud]

Because after the first level the game lacked any kinda of cohesive art direction/story/anything whatsoever...

It was just freakin lame lol...

If that's what "American" gamers like, how do I sign-out of that demographic? Freakin Xbots have no taste--praising the game like it was a worthy contender to DMC:shifty:

[Matt]

Having not really played DMC that much, I dunno if I can really compare the two, but still, Ninja Gaiden is a decent game.

Maybe if I had played DMC first, my opinion would be different? :shrug:

I dunno.

[Black Dragon37]

Because after the first level the game lacked any kinda of cohesive art direction/story/anything whatsoever...Itagaki didn't feel that the story was worth the time or effort while NG was in development.

That's it.

[masteratt]

Back to the PS3 installing thing, let PA light the fire:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2008/20080206.jpg

[Hisham]

Hahah.

Funny comic, but seriously, I had supper and it was done when I was done my supper.

[Segitz]

Oh for f*cks sake...

Enough already, it's not like FFXI on the 360, where you have to download updates for hours before you can play...

[masteratt]

Loosen up, it's a COMIC strip.

You laugh, you move on.
Only fan boys get butt hurt by a joke.

[OG_Monkey]

...lol

[Segitz]

Loosen up, it's a COMIC strip.

You laugh, you move on.
Only fan boys get butt hurt by a joke.

Oh, I didn't only mean the comic^^

I was talking about this issue in general... Yes, installing a game on a console is new and stuff, but you get something from it (i.e. faster loading), it's not like the game stays exactly the same that way...

It's just... if it was the other way around, nobody would really give a rats ass about it

[Nameless]

^ Agreed... :cheers:

[PSXBatou]

Amazon delayed my shipment until Monday. I would cancel it and buy it in the store but considering that it is $49.99 with 2 day shipping and no tax I'll take the savings and just wait till next week to play it.

As far as installing goes who cares, I would rather spend 20 minutes installing the game than wasting more than that over the span of the game in load times and lag.

[OG_Monkey]

that damn amazon

http://images.gametrailers.com/images/userimages/124318-1199457629-979501199433075bestthingeverrr.gif

[VideoGame mania]

Is this game worth buying ? I'm about to leave to Gamestop.

[Jay Gee]

Oh, I didn't only mean the comic^^

I was talking about this issue in general... Yes, installing a game on a console is new and stuff, but you get something from it (i.e. faster loading), it's not like the game stays exactly the same that way...

It's just... if it was the other way around, nobody would really give a rats ass about it
Exactly. I didn't find this one too funny at all, and PA has been back in form as of late. Somebody could easily make a retort comic where a 360 RRODs while they were playing DMC4, and then the wait would be a few weeks to a month before you can play it again, whereas, after you go through the 20 minute install, you can just play it on the PS3. Immediately. Like, as soon as you put in the disc. But then, I guess it wouldn't be too funny then.

EDIT: Inanuthsell, there are two sides to this coin here. S'all I'm saying.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well, read teh news post.
Turbulence surrounding the compulsory installation of the PS3's Devil May Cry 4, a procedure which is epic in length, was eventually answered by the scuttling drones of the official Capcom Blog. Their response, only loosely interpreted, is that complaining about it is dumb - and if you complain about it, then you are dumb.

We crafted a comic on the subject, more out of a sense of civic duty than of any genuine feelings of betrayal. This is precisely the sort of thing that gets hauled out to show the 360 in a bad light, but until I pick the game up at lunch I couldn't say if pulling the game off the DVD is actually onerous. For me, the graphical tearing of the 360 version (put forward by this 1up preview) is more dire. I'll buy both versions when I head out later today.

There's no way to transform "faster load times" into a black eye for the Playstation 3 version. It's an incredible option, and I'd love to see this option present on the 360, seeing as I paid more for a fixed disc. I'd love to do more with the peripheral than buy movies I can never own. At the same time, I'd like installs to be something I'm empowered to do, as opposed to something that is made a necessity. It's something we discuss briefly in today's podcast - committing a sizable portion of my console to each game is not something I want to become a standard practice. For me, it's not consistent with the role of a gaming appliance. That's not what attracts me to those platforms.

[Jay Gee]

I'd like installs to be something I'm empowered to do, as opposed to something that is made a necessity. It's something we discuss briefly in today's podcast - committing a sizable portion of my console to each game is not something I want to become a standard practice.
Okay, I can agree with that. You can put an option to do this at the beginning of a game, with a reminder of how to access it again if you first refuse it in the game's manual. Ridge Racer 7's install was optional (I did it) , so I don't see why DMC4 couldn't have been either.

[OG_Monkey]

Is the installation mandatory or something? I mean damn its only 20 mins

[Hisham]

Is the installation mandatory or something? I mean damn its only 20 mins

Yes it is.

And yes, 20 minutes is small time. I mean, is it really that hard to wait 20 mins...

People are making this out to be a bigger deal than it really is.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I agree. What's 20 minutes? Seriously?

[OG_Monkey]

Oh well...NOW i see why people are bitching. Why is it mandatory? And 20 minutes is a long ass time now that i think about it >_>

JK JK!

but why is it mandatory, makes no sense

[masteratt]

PA has already put the full stop on this (as with any other topic) so just read their post and you shall be enlightened.

It will say everything you wanted to say but much much better.

Here it is again (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2008/02/06/#22385), read at your own delight.

[OG_Monkey]

damn...but thats ALOT of readin...

EDIT:

Ok i read it...still doesnt explain why its Mandatory

[LaLiLuLeLo]

damn...but thats ALOT of readin...

It's like 3 paragraphs. Man, I hope you don't plan on going to college.

[masteratt]

New rule approved by...umm, Mach: No reading, no posting.

They go hand in hand, if you don't take the time to read and learn about the topic before posting about it, why should we care to read your posts?

Yepppp, Mach said ALL of that.......¬_¬

[LaLiLuLeLo]

damn...but thats ALOT of readin...

EDIT:

Ok i read it...still doesnt explain why its Mandatory

It's mandatory because the game WON'T RUN if you don't. It doesn't get past that.

[OG_Monkey]

I WAS KIDDING ABOUT THE READING

sheesh

It's mandatory because the game WON'T RUN if you don't. It doesn't get past that.

Thats..not really the answer i was looking for

[AC!D]

Is this game worth buying ? I'm about to leave to Gamestop.

The DMC games are really good but extremley hard, so if you are expecting God of War then dont go for this. The game integrates combos and style together in its fighting system. The more combos and style you are able to inflict on enemies the more orbs you get to level up and unlock more amazing combos. The levels can be a bit linear but the fun is all in the gameplay/fighting system and the amazing bosses Capcom always come up with. Some argue the visuals are ugly but if you understand just how fast the gameplay is and how good the framerates have to be to keep up the pace then you wont be bothered by the loss of a little more gloss. Although i should mention that i think those guys are crazy, i think the game looks great.

As for the difficulty thing i dont wanna scare you off cause the producer Kobayashi said that they made this fourth game more acsessible by raising the difficulty curve more moderatley through this game and apparently there is a tutorial for newbies to the series also on the disc before you start playing. Let me put it this way if you didnt enjoy Ninja Gaiden sigma then you wont enjoy this cause DMC3 normal difficulty was harder than that game.

I hope that helps!

[Epix]

Achievements built into PS3 OS:

"We've been happily playing Devil May Cry 4 for a wee while now (check out our review and awesome series retrospective) and whilst doing so we noticed something a little strange about the game's accomplishment system. It's not the first multiplatform game to include the Xbox 360 achievements inside the PS3 version, by any means, though it is the first to allow players to check out their online accomplishment rankings as well as check out exactly which individual accomplishment goals their friends have achieved.

The interesting thing is that the "Accomplishment Unlocked" screen is a part of the PS3 Operating System, similar to the network connection screen, rather than an in game messsage. What does this mean? Well it could mean that DMC4 is the first game to include specific data which Home will later be able to turn into trophies (when it's finally released). It could potentially indicate other exciting things, but we'll leave the rampant speculation to those who do it best: you, the commenters"


http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-107548.aspx

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/02/04/...re-intriguing/

[OG_Monkey]

I hope that helps!

lol...i think he left Gamestop by now

Achievements built into PS3 OS:

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-107548.aspx

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/02/04/...re-intriguing/

ur kinda late

[Hisham]

My brother is blazing through the game... He's already on mission 16 and has gotten Gilgamesh and Pandora's box.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I WAS KIDDING ABOUT THE READING

sheesh



Thats..not really the answer i was looking for

TOO LATE. YOU HAVE SPURRED MY WRATH!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/thepatriots/SMACK.gif

[AC!D]

yeah lol :)

[OG_Monkey]

TOO LATE. YOU HAVE SPURRED MY WRATH!
[MG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/thepatriots/SMACK.gif[/IMG]

lmfao, thats that Peter and Mary Jane slap

"BITCH"

[masteratt]

He was just exercising his elbow, the bitch got in the way.

[OG_Monkey]

Lol, thatll work perfectly in a Wife Abuse case

"She got in the way of my elbow"

[jaxmkii]

she head butted my fist.

[OG_Monkey]

lmfao

ok ok, back on topic...um oh yea

Why is the install mandatory instead of optional like other games? Maybe the loading times really sucked and Capcom wanted to hide that....

[masteratt]

OG!!!!!!!!!! jgvkbgajkgbarewjkgbk man.

Are you going to get it on PS3?
No.

So who the fuck cares.

[OG_Monkey]

.....i just wanted to know :(

[masteratt]

Sorry, my over-reaction was due to you asking the same thing about 15 times in the last 5 seconds.

[Hisham]

lmfao

ok ok, back on topic...um oh yea

Why is the install mandatory instead of optional like other games? Maybe the loading times really sucked and Capcom wanted to hide that....

DVD read speed > Blu-Ray read speed.

So I guess they made the install manditory because of the way the loading works in DMC (after every door/area). With the limited read speed of Blu-Ray drive, a game will not be able to load as fast with the PS3 (VF5 is one instance of this.)

So making the install manditory, you end up basically forgoing all load times (they are like 2 seconds now). Again, like I said, it is a good compromise.

[chartwel]

DVD read speed > Blu-Ray read speed.

So I guess they made the install manditory because of the way the loading works in DMC (after every door/area). With the limited read speed of Blu-Ray drive, a game will not be able to load as fast with the PS3 (VF5 is one instance of this.)

So making the install manditory, you end up basically forgoing all load times (they are like 2 seconds now). Again, like I said, it is a good compromise.

dvd read speed = variable
blu-ray read speed = constant

there is no direct comparison.

[Hisham]

DVD drives reach higher read speeds though. This is like when DVD's just started. CD-Rom's had higher read speeds. Afterwards, in a couple of years, Blu-Ray's will reach the same read speeds, but right now they are slower...

[Black Dragon37]

I agree. What's 20 minutes? Seriously?I could go watch Scrubs or half an episode of House.

Really, it's nothing.

[Black Dragon37]

Oh, and by the way... (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17257)

[VideoGame mania]

holy crap, just got the game. best DMC intro ? I think so.
BTW, it was pain in the ass to find DMC4 on PS3 where I live.
2 EB game stores next to my house had all copies sold out.
I expect good sale numbers for Capcom.

[Jay Gee]

I gotta haul ass down 285 North to get to my Best Buy to pick up my copy before they close @ 9.

[OmniCloud]

It never amazes me how stupid people really are!!! Remember how games used to be back on SNES and Genesis? No loading=-o...

Well essentially PS3 is giving that back to us while still offering a storage format that can give you all CG and visuals effects of this generation--just install it and wait a few minutes before you get cracking on your game.

Idiots: "What!!!, the install is Mandatory??!?! I have to do this!! ITs takes Forever!!! SOny sux teh COkZekrs!!!!"

pathetic...

[Hisham]

Story sorta sucked, but not because it was necessarly bad, but because it left to many questions unanswered (my brother just beat the game and I pretty much watched him play it the whole way through.)

[EvilTaru]

My copy of CE for the PS3 will hopefully come in tomorrow at that godforsaken EB.

[curryking1]

DVD drives reach higher read speeds though. This is like when DVD's just started. CD-Rom's had higher read speeds. Afterwards, in a couple of years, Blu-Ray's will reach the same read speeds, but right now they are slower...

No one is in trouble of misunderstanding either concept Hisham lol. The CDs vs. DVD things and the DVD max read spd.

Not that I genuinely care to defend BluRay or anything, but if you are going to compare anything about them that's not the way to go about it. It's just a tremendously poor way to make a comparison, very skewed parameters.

What you did just before is just comparing a maximum to a mean and a median which makes zero sense.

Unless you put maybe quartile speeds and min and max speeds of the DVD against the constant read speed it's really an effort wasted. With all that data I think the DVD read speed comes out on top by a bit or a bit more anyhow.

Whatever I remember from the PS3's BD drive, the speed fell in the range given by a 12x DVD drive's min and max speeds, somewhere on the lower part of it's range though.

P.S. I think my friend may have got the game today. He's probably going to play it all day for the next few days or something, that's what he would do lol.

I'll end up borrowing it from him I guess.

[Hisham]

No one is in trouble of misunderstanding either concept Hisham lol. The CDs vs. DVD things and the DVD max read spd.

Not that I genuinely care to defend BluRay or anything, but if you are going to compare anything about them that's not the way to go about it. It's just a tremendously poor way to make a comparison, very skewed parameters.

What you did just before is just comparing a maximum to a mean and a median which makes zero sense.

Unless you put maybe quartile speeds and min and max speeds of the DVD against the constant read speed it's really an effort wasted. With all that data I think the DVD read speed comes out on top by a bit or a bit more anyhow.

Whatever I remember from the PS3's BD drive, the speed fell in the range given by a 12x DVD drive's min and max speeds, somewhere on the lower part of it's range though.

P.S. I think my friend may have got the game today. He's probably going to play it all day for the next few days or something, that's what he would do lol.

I'll end up borrowing it from him I guess.

Hahah, yes, I know it is more complicated then I made it seem, but I think I got the gist of why load times would be faster with a DVD drive with the explanation that I gave...

And I just found out that there is a second ending the game...

[Black Dragon37]

Spoil me.

[amuront]

Hahah, yes, I know it is more complicated then I made it seem, but I think I got the gist of why load times would be faster with a DVD drive with the explanation that I gave...

Yeah it is no doubt more complicated. There are some good discussions here:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42157

Don't just skim it though, people, or you will be more misinformed then before. (ie, Read the entire thread)

Overall, i would still prefer a 4x BD drive...but there is no point thinking about it now.

[OG_Monkey]

drives can't be just "updated" in the ps3 for faster reading?

[Jay Gee]

Installed mine earlier tonight. Watched an episode of Claymore while it installed. Good times.

[Sephiroth_VII]

^A FW update can sometimes raise the readspeed, but new hardware is required most of the time.

[Black Dragon37]

Installed mine earlier tonight. Watched an episode of Claymore while it installed. Good times.Good times up to the match against Ricardo! http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

[hidex]

I'm still waiting for the call for my CE. I phoned eb yesterday and they said all they had was the standard one. Now if they call in today I'll have to drive through all this snow. It's going to be fun lol. They better still have the art book for me too.

[OG_Monkey]

the anime will be in English and on blu-ray?

[Hisham]

Anime is on a DVD I believe.

And it is dubbed... I think it may have the option for the sub aswell.

But it will be the only 4 dubbed episodes seeing as ADV canceled the rest of the dub. It isn't like the anime was all that great anyways.

[D3adcell]

I thought the anime was pretty great. In the CE it says that volume 2 will be arriving in april of 08.

Right now i'm stuck on mission 10 or 11, son of a bitch the boss is hard. Not going to give any spoilers, but fuck. I can't find out how to beat him.

[Hisham]

D3adcell, read this...

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=83283

Cancelation of the dub by ADV (one of the companies that releases animes in america.)

Anyways, I assume your talking about mission 10?

The Dante boss fight? Just stand in the middle of the room, watch him circle around slowly, and then when he jumps in to fight you, just grab him with your arm and throw him down. Rinse and repeat. My brother used this way to beat him.

[D3adcell]

yep thats the boss i was talking about, i'll try that method.

[Overload]

This is the best action game on the PS3 as of now. All im waiting for is God of War. This game is the best in the series. It took every thing from all the games and combined it into the defacto. All though you feel like your treading through familiar territory you'll find that this game is not a simple upgrade. I cant even think of anything this game needs, but then again I haven't finished it yet im on mission 14.

Nero is sic wit it. The demon arm is just too much, and I swear drop kicking a mofo in the face is classic. Hes like Dante with a mix of crazy beat em' up moves, and Dante is Dante. The Dante from the 3rd game is the most complete and yet the amped him up in this one. Every move is like at least 2 sections deep.

Right now this game is 9.5 even with out completion. And everyone get a DS3 controler NOW!

[D3adcell]

fuck now the mission 11 boss is kciking my ass, wtf. This boss is bullshit.

[cliffbo]

has it already been mentioned that DMC has set a new record in Japan for the fastest selling PS3 game, ousting Everybody's golf

[Syncere Styles]

I got my copy today, collector's addition and I bought a 250 gig internal hdd as well so space will no longer be an issue. I'm taking off of work tonight to get some hours behind this puppy.

[OG_Monkey]

has it already been mentioned that DMC has set a new record in Japan for the fastest selling PS3 game, ousting Everybody's golf

yea but still, SSSB blew this out the park lol

[Hisham]

It did good consdering though lol.

[Shadow Voa]

But that's Wii and no one is surprised about that.

[OG_Monkey]

360 version hasn't even sold 100,000 yet as expected. I didnt even know 70,000 some people had 360s in japan

[Syncere Styles]

360 version hasn't even sold 100,000 yet as expected. I didnt even know 70,000 some people had 360s in japan

Well how many has the PS3 version sold?

[OG_Monkey]

like almost 300,000 I believe

[OG_Monkey]

Devil May Cry 4 needs almost 5GB of hard drive space and a 20-minute install time on PS3. Needs. It doesn't mean it's not still an astonishing game, but there's no getting away from the fact you could have gotten through the tutorial, tackled the first secret mission and acquired your first special ability in the time it takes to watch that bar fill. And Capcom say it helps load times once you're in the game. Having played both versions, we really didn't notice any difference. Er... wasn't Blu-Ray supposed to make this sort of thing go away?

We figured we should see just how far we could get on the Xbox 360 version while the PS3 game was still installing. Well, it's more fun than doing real work, right? It took 22 and a half minutes to get to the title screen on the Sony machine, instead of 22 and a half seconds for the 360 version. See the progress we made in that saved time right here:

Video (http://www.gamesradar.com/video/v-2008020711498625065)

Gamesradar (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/devil-am-cry-dmc4-install-time-video-comparison/a-20080207153949250056)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Alright already. Enough about the load times. I'm sick of this shit.

[Hisham]

Wah wah, 20 minutes!

I can't wait that long, I get to agitated.

:crazy2:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

We've spent at least 2 pages driving it into the ground. Anyone who cares at this point already knows. Let's stop dragging it through the mod like the rest of the damn internet.

[OG_Monkey]

...fine then

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Don't take it personally. But this shit has got to stop. ;)

[OG_Monkey]

i know, i didnt

[LaLiLuLeLo]

GOOD. *Pounds fist*

[D3adcell]

Hisham I may need some more advice. Boss on mission 20 is a pain in my ass.

edit: beat it, pretty sweet game. Got ranked 237 world wide on mission 14. Going to have to play through it again.

[Hisham]

Haha, I'm beating the game myself now... I'm on mission 10... I've been getting A and S ranks so far through. I never thought the arm would make such a difference in the ease of battle. You just stay back, do wild combos on one dude, throw him down, pull a new enemy in, and repeat haha.

And yeah, the boss on misson 20 seemed like a pain. It took my brother maybe 5-10 tries to beat him. So far, I haven't died against a boss in my run through, so I hope I fare better. :-p

[VideoGame mania]

Damn, how do you evade ? energy blast, Angus second encounter. Is it possible to stop him from draining my health ? on mission 9

[Passive]

press L1 when he does that VGm

im stuck on mission 11. where the hell do i go? :S

EDIT: nevermind :P i figured it out. gorram dmc puzzles.

[OmniCloud]

wow....you guys really suck;)

[Hisham]

Damn, how do you evade ? energy blast, Angus second encounter. Is it possible to stop him from draining my health ? on mission 9

L1, tap left or right+X = Dodge roll.

Also:

Grab the blades that he summons to shoot them back at him... And try to hit him with instant charge exeed attacks, they do wild ammount of damage. Also, when he stops glowing, remember to try and grab him for MASSIVE DAMAGE haha.

And if your having trouble on that boss, just wait for mission ten, and then misson twenty haha. ;)

[VideoGame mania]

wow....you guys really suck;)


Apparently, I do suck at DMC games. Only got S on 2nd mission.
Everything else B or D, I'm exploring levels for the first time, so next time I should do better.
For me Ninja Gaiden was a walk in the park.
And DMC games were always the toughest games.
I have no idea how you guys beat all levels on S and those crazy combos.
My fingers always hurt after playing this game.

[Hisham]

Those crazy combos comes from the fact that if you think about the game in sorta a fighting game respect, then you should be able to do everything alright. You have your launcher (R1, back+triangle), your clearing space technique (Streak/Stinger/Devil Bringer), your regular combos (the ones where you mash triangle), and tons of other things that you can add and shit.

[Shadow Voa]

Really fun game having a blast with it, that Bael boss fight was so much fun!

"Yeah go ahead and swallow me, then Im going to cut you up something awful you toad piece of shit!!"

Good times...

[VideoGame mania]

That's the thing I can't time my combos with one button only. Rather have a combination of buttons.
I repeat same moves again and again. Feels like I'm button mashing.
I get 0 souls after certain levels I have no souls left. I'm on mission 10, I haven't unlocked my DT combos. 3000/5000 souls for a move I can only dream on to unlock.
Those black flying things with lasers always piss me off.

[hidex]

lol I hate those black flying things too. I'm having a hard time fighting them with Dante. I also hate fight the black flying think that has the claws.

[OmniCloud]

Don't fret friends, I would suck for a while too if I got back into the game. Your fingers will adjust, your evade will come out without you even noticing your doing it, you'll start leaving out the sword strikes that you don't need to get your combo meter higher, and in one word, you'll start OWNin

It's a good feeling;)

[cliffbo]

if this is right, this is INCREDIBLE!

sales of DMC on both consoles worldwide:

360: 42,917
PS3: 208,837

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=39481&boxartz=3

[Fats]

^WTF?

Thought it would have been the other way around regardless of DMC being widely recognized as a game more at home on the Playstation.

[cliffbo]

^WTF?

Thought it would have been the other way around regardless of DMC being widely recognized as a game more at home on the Playstation.

i know! this is the sort of thing that makes devs sit up and think about which console can make profit for them

[Fats]

Whoops, just got around to checking this. Cliffbo it's obvious it was going to sell more in Japan. :doh:

America should be a different story.

[cliffbo]

Whoops, just got around to checking this. Cliffbo it's obvious it was going to sell more in Japan. :doh:

America should be a different story.

i thought it was already released in America! my bad if it wasn't lol... but then again there are more 360 in Europe.

edit: just checked. you are right! these are only Japan numbers. oh well it was exciting while it lasted lol

[D3adcell]

Damn, how do you evade ? energy blast, Angus second encounter. Is it possible to stop him from draining my health ? on mission 9

There is also another way Hisham didn't mention and it works better.

As soon as he says "now its time to die" go attack him immediately. He will be floating in mid air for a while before he charges up his attack and if you get a few good hits in it will knock him down and cancel his move out. Best to use a full charged exceed attack or DT. But just a few hits and he should be down.

[Fats]

It has been released, the sales figures just aren't available.

[D3adcell]

i thought it was already released in America! my bad if it wasn't lol... but then again there are more 360 in Europe

That is for week ending february 2nd. The game wasn't released here until the 6th. Though still, over 200k in japan is a good amount of sales.

[cliffbo]

It has been released, the sales figures just aren't available.

ye, i just checked, serves me right for trusting the link without checking what exactly the headline 'Worldwide' meant...

[Hisham]

lol I hate those black flying things too. I'm having a hard time fighting them with Dante. I also hate fight the black flying think that has the claws.

Just shoot them with the shotgun, and then air combo them.

[hidex]

lol I was so confused at first when I was fighting those black things with Dante. I kept trying to slash them in the air by using trickster. I kept doing helmsplitter I think thats what it's called. I remember in the other devil may cries you can just attack in the air. So I find out you have to use sword master upgraded to 2 I think and use the circle button to attack in the air.

lol unless I'm doing something wrong. lol

[Hisham]

Yeah, if you use Trickster, he gains an air dash with circle. With Swordmaster, you have another attack with circle, and triangle is the move where he comes down with his sword. It is like DMC3.

[Nameless]

I'm only about 3 hours in, but I'm really enjoying the game...
I think this combat engine could be deeper than Ninja Gaiden. :shocked:

I can definately say this is a must buy for action game fans.

[Hisham]

I'm only about 3 hours in, but I'm really enjoying the game...
I think this combat engine could be deeper than Ninja Gaiden. :shocked:

I can definately say this is a must buy for action game fans.

Could be!!!!

It has been since DMC1!

[Nameless]

^I'm new to the DMC series and a huge Ninja Gaiden fan...

[GTShotoKen]

Could be!!!!

It has been since DMC1!

I wouldn't go that far. Being deep doesn't only mean that you can chain moves into combos.

DMC4 introduces a truly variable offense where every single slash and move can be altered in function in some way. Beowulf had some of that in DMC3, but I really don't think the series has rivaled such an intricate fighting engine like that in NG until now, which I can personally say DMC4 trully rips a new one into NG (though NG still shines in enemy AI).

DMC still has an issue though in that the enemy AI never really pushes you to master the intricacies of the moves sets of the series' heroes. This is one thing that NG still does better in that the enemy AI really pushes you to master Ryu as you move up in difficulty.

DMC4 is a fighting fans dream though. I still think Nero's abilties combined with the exceed system and devil bringer really is the next step for the series. I'm definitely still gonna get beastly with Dante though because Gilgamesh and Lucifer are the shit incarnate. ;)

Edit: I've been playing my friend's copy. :)

[Hisham]

I wouldn't go that far. Being deep doesn't only mean that you can chain moves into combos.

DMC4 introduces a truly variable offense where every single slash and move can be altered in function in some way. Beowulf had some of that in DMC3, but I really don't think the series has rivaled such an intricate fighting engine like that in NG until now, which I can personally say DMC4 trully rips a new one into NG (though NG still shines in enemy AI).

DMC still has an issue though in that the enemy AI never really pushes you to master the intricacies of the moves sets of the series' heroes. This is one thing that NG still does better in that the enemy AI really pushes you to master Ryu as you move up in difficulty.

DMC4 is a fighting fans dream though. I still think Nero's abilties combined with the exceed system and devil bringer really is the next step for the series. I'm definitely still gonna get beastly with Dante though because Gilgamesh and Lucifer are the shit incarnate. ;)

Edit: I've been playing my friend's copy. :)

Haha, well yeah, I am not taking anything away from NG, I just feel that DMC's system (even back to DMC1) has always been deeper and better. NG's combos aren't as freeforming. Well maybe I shouldn't say deep seeing as NG is sorta a different kind of system.

I will agree with you on the AI though. Except for the harder modes of DMC3 :-p.

EDIT: Yes, I love Lucifer (just got it). It is so amazing haha.

[Black Dragon37]

Originally posted by USMCOgre
I found some janky way to cheat and get alot of proud souls and red orbs pretty early in the game.

At the beginning of mission 3, kill the 3 enimies at the start of the mine, then go back and beat up the giant red orb thing. Once you get all the orbs from it, pause and restart mission.

You keep all the red orbs, the game gives you like 100 proud souls for no reason, and when you restart the orb thing is back. Rince repeat. I bought everything in the game so far in like 30 mins lol.

Originally posted by USMCOgre
lol this game is broken.

Ok, at the start of mission 7, go to the right of the path to the red orb thing. Charge up ex gauge to level 3, start yamato, and do the L1+Foward and triangle twice, then mash away. Then restart mission.

You get 4500 red orbs a minute doing this lolololol. You don't get a bunch of free roud souls on this one, but you get massive amounts of red orbs.

Originally posted by USMCOgre
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Ok, you can go into the mission menu, go back after getting the yamato, and go back to mission 3 and get 4500+ orbs PLUS a few hundred proud souls every go at it.

Takes about 1 min for 5000+ red orbs plus a couple hundred proud souls.

This game is fucking broken.

[Syncere Styles]

That doesn't make the game broken ya tards. That's like saying the 100-man up trick in Super Mario Bros. 1 makes the game broken. There's almost always instant money/xtra men cheats in any game. Thanks for the tip (if it really works), but fuck outta here with that broken nonsense.

[Black Dragon37]

The broken ting is just a joke, man.

[Hisham]

Haha, I figured you could do something like that (because I noticed if you restarted a misson, you get an ammount of proud souls), but I like to play my games the first time around without exploits.

Perhaps I'll do this on my second playthrough though, just so I can puchase everything.

[Syncere Styles]

Haha, I figured you could do something like that (because I noticed if you restarted a misson, you get an ammount of proud souls), but I like to play my games the first time around without exploits.

Perhaps I'll do this on my second playthrough though, just so I can puchase everything.

I don't really even consider that an exploit. I read about this before the game came out that if you choose to restart a mission, you still get whatever you collected within the mission (aside from new weapons).

[cliffbo]

That doesn't make the game broken ya tards. That's like saying the 100-man up trick in Super Mario Bros. 1 makes the game broken. There's almost always instant money/xtra men cheats in any game. Thanks for the tip (if it really works), but fuck outta here with that broken nonsense.

no but it was really funny :lol:

[cliffbo]

Playstation 3 Owners Should Love 5g Installs
by Torrence Davis

Ever since DMC4 was released there’s been a big deal about the 25min install of the game. We know that with the install the load times are very close to the Xbox 360 load times. What people don’t understand is that the benefit of installing a game to the hard drive means less noise and wear and tear on your Blu-Ray drive.

For those of us who have both a 360 and PS3, we know that the 360 DVD drive is very loud. Most games on the 360 don’t install to the hard disk. For each game to run they must stream data to the memory throughout gameplay or load full levels into memory at the start of the game. While playing Assassin’s Creed the disc is constantly spinning on the 360. The loud rumble is very annoying on older boxes and it’s why MS opted for a quieter drive.

Playstation 3 games for the most part run quieter because of the install. If you listen to a PS3 during install while it’s spinning the disc, you can hear it loud and clear. Now imagine if it had to stream data off of that disc during gameplay? You’d probably complain about the sound just as much as you do with the 360.

PC users are used to long installs. How many of you play World Of Warcraft? Remember that CD install? What a pain in the ass that was. Imagine installing it right now and having to do all the updates? It’s why I picked up a few copies of that free DVD they were giving out at the Comic Con. One disc to rule them all! But even with the DVD install, which is pretty fast, I still have a years worth of updates to run through.

So if the Xbox 360 fanboys got you down because you have to make sandwiches while waiting for the install, don’t fret. Console gaming is getting more like PC gaming these days and the install is just another way of making the gameplay experience better for you.

http://www.thebitbag.com/2008/02/12/playstation-3-owners-should-love-5g-installs/

[Viper]

i thought it was already released in America! my bad if it wasn't lol... but then again there are more 360 in Europe.

edit: just checked. you are right! these are only Japan numbers. oh well it was exciting while it lasted lol

Lol, gets the best of us sometimes, Cliff.

Worldwide sales so far.

PS3 - 463,562
X360 - 399,262

This doesn't include Japan this week yet. Here's are the prelim numbers for the week.

PS3 - 36k
X360 - 7k

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Cliffbo-
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1813972&postcount=840

[cliffbo]

Cliffbo-
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1813972&postcount=840

i haven't a clue what this refers to

[LaLiLuLeLo]

We're moving on from the hdd nonsense. It's beaten to death.

[cliffbo]

We're moving on from the hdd nonsense. It's beaten to death.

but that article makes a valid point and has a fresh view of things... for a rounded opinion i find taking every piece of information helps

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It's not a point we haven't already discussed 3 pages ago, for 2 or 3 pages. So it's not anything new, actually.

[ded5850]

so yeah. In DMC4 is it possible to unlock new moves or are u stuck with the same set of moves for both characters through all the difficulties? Any planned updates for this game?

[Black Dragon37]

Word of advice...

Everyone should get the MAX-Act. It eases up your JF-Ex timing.

[Hisham]

so yeah. In DMC4 is it possible to unlock new moves or are u stuck with the same set of moves for both characters through all the difficulties? Any planned updates for this game?

Buy new abilities using Proud souls.

And yes, MAX-Act is essential. Hit the intstant exceed moves more often with that ability.

[OG_Monkey]

Does Nero...get any...ANY new weapons!?

[Hisham]

Nah, but he doesn't need them really. You can upgrade Red Queen ALOT.

[OG_Monkey]

iiii knew it :(

red queen the sword or gun?

[GTShotoKen]

Getting down the timing for instant and perfect (max) exceeds has led me to completely fall in love with Nero as a fighting character. As much as Dante is fun to use, and boy oh boy is he fun (Dance Macabre and drive have been ridiculously upgraded).

Nero's the truth. The Red Queen really is truly a game within itself and combined with the devil bringer and charge shot (which can re-launch enemies); you now have a beast of a fighter to work with.

Anyone who hasn't yet needs to jump into the bloody palace and start revving with Nero because it's one hell of a ride. ;)

[Nameless]

I completed the game earlier today on the Devil Hunter setting.
It took about 19 hours for me to complete the game; I did not replay any of the levels for higher completion grades... The game was an overall great experience and I would highly recommend it for any action game fans.

Here's my Brief Review:

Visuals: 9.0 - Definitely Next-gen grade visuals
Presentation: 9.5 - Very cinematic experience
Sound: 8.5 - Overall sound is excellent, but the metal sound track becomes repetitive.
Gamplay: 9.5 - One of the deepest fighting engines around and a lot of fun mixing moves creating new combos. The camera system can be annoying during the platforming gameplay.
Value: 9.5 - Perfect length for action title 15 - 20 hours, plus multiple difficulties and game modes. It's a great value compared to other recent titles released...
Overall: 9.5 - One of the best action titles released this generation...

I was really impressed with this title, but remember I'm new to the DMC titles so this was all new to me... I really liked playing with both characters, but found Nero more impressive, because the Devil arm makes you really feel like a bad ass. Also all of the moves and control layout for Dante takes some getting use too. The overall story was a little corny and some of the dialog was lame, but overall the story was cool. Plus some of the level back tracking was lame, but the length of the game was great and it took me a few weeks to beat playing a few hours every couple of days. I would recommend this title to any PS3 owner who enjoys action titles.

[Dakota Grabowski]

I completed the game earlier today on the Devil Hunter setting.
It took about 19 hours for me to complete the game; I did not replay any of the levels for higher completion grades... The game was an overall great experience and I would highly recommend it for any action game fans.

Here's my Brief Review:

Visuals: 9.0 - Definitely Next-gen grade visuals
Presentation: 9.5 - Very cinematic experience
Sound: 8.5 - Overall sound is excellent, but the metal sound track becomes repetitive.
Gamplay: 9.5 - One of the deepest fighting engines around and a lot of fun mixing moves creating new combos. The camera system can be annoying during the platforming gameplay.
Value: 9.5 - Perfect length for action title 15 - 20 hours, plus multiple difficulties and game modes. It's a great value compared to other recent titles released...
Overall: 9.5 - One of the best action titles released this generation...

I was really impressed with this title, but remember I'm new to the DMC titles so this was all new to me... I really liked playing with both characters, but found Nero more impressive, because the Devil arm makes you really feel like a bad ass. Also all of the moves and control layout for Dante takes some getting use too. The overall story was a little corny and some of the dialog was lame, but overall the story was cool. Plus some of the level back tracking was lame, but the length of the game was great and it took me a few weeks to beat playing a few hours every couple of days. I would recommend this title to any PS3 owner who enjoys action titles.

LOL, you are going to hate my review then. Way too high! On human, it only takes 5-6 hrs to beat. Devil Hunter shouldn't take that long

[GTShotoKen]

LOL, you are going to hate my review then. Way too high! On human, it only takes 5-6 hrs to beat. Devil Hunter shouldn't take that long

Human is exceptionally easier, and all of your stats carry over, so you sure your review will be...accurate. http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/question20marks.gif

[Nameless]

^^ I attempted all of the hidden missions and took my time with the game.
I'm glad being new to DMC4 I played on the harder setting, because it would have sucked to complete the game in 5 - 6 hours...
I know my score is generous, but I really enjoyed the game and think it deserves a 9.0 or higher.

[Dakota Grabowski]

Human is exceptionally easier, and all of your stats carry over, so you sure your review will be...accurate. http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/question20marks.gif

what's your point on the stats? I know this. I liked the game, but it's no GOTY contender. Too much backtracking, repetitive boss battles, and short story arch.

[Nameless]

^ I don't want to spoil the game for others, but I agree that the boss battles were recycled too much... I thought all of the boss battles were fun and challenging so more would have been better.

[Hisham]

It took me 11 hours on Devil Hunter the first time and I made sure to get everything I could the first time around. Didn't get it all, but I did pretty good I'd say. DMC3 > This though. Tougher, longer, and a better story I'd say.

[GTShotoKen]

what's your point on the stats? I know this. I liked the game, but it's no GOTY contender. Too much backtracking, repetitive boss battles, and short story arch.

I was under the assumption that game length was going to play a large part in your review by the way your post was worded.

Anything else I can understand though. :)

[Dakota Grabowski]

I'll let you know when my review goes live later in the week. I am looking at Too Human and Ninja Gaiden 2 to fill that void that DMC4 left for me; it was only a small taste of greatness.

[Dakota Grabowski]

I was under the assumption that game length was going to play a large part in your review by the way your post was worded.

Anything else I can understand though. :)

to be quite honest, I am sure at least 60-70% (I am sure I am underestimating) of gamers will only play it one time through and a percentage of them will play on human which will affect their time with the game.

[OG_Monkey]

cool so if i beat in on human and try harder skills, ill still have all my stats etc?

[Hisham]

It has been like that in all DMC's. Stats carry over in subsequent play throughs.

[Nameless]

You also keep your moves and skills...
*At least you do going from Hunter to SOS mode.*

[OG_Monkey]

It has been like that in all DMC's. Stats carry over in subsequent play throughs.

Oh really!? Wow, I've never played a DMC twice thats why

[KRA]

Oh really!? Wow, I've never played a DMC twice thats why

it's not that you must play second time.
at mission select menu you can chose to play what stage you want
and what difficulty (you must beat previous level though)
so basiclly you can be at 9 stage harder difficullty
and play just to relax some previous stage at human or the same level
relax or earn some stuff upgrade and then play next stage at harder level
i do it all the time...

[OG_Monkey]

So i got this game yesterday.....I am SO glad i didnt buy it yet alone pay $60 for it....im jus saying....

My friend let me borrow it and more than likely ill keep it too cuz he never remembers anything and the game is cool and all but its kinda lame.

[ded5850]

yeah. Definatly needs some "upgrades" to the combo system. Everything works fine, but the content feels so barren it's laughable.

[Black Dragon37]

Petition for DLC?

[Viper]

Sales update:

X360 - 780,000
US - 566,932
Euro - 151,131
Japan - 55,873

PS3 - 770,000
US - 343,660
Euro - 159,964
Japan - 271,597

[Segitz]

Sales update:

X360 - 780,000
US - 566,932
Euro - 151,131
Japan - 55,873

PS3 - 770,000
US - 343,660
Euro - 159,964
Japan - 271,597

Whoa... nearly 1:1 sales between 360 and PS3, albeit the 360 having nearly double the installed userbase...

Yes, I know, DMC is a PS franchise and that the 360s hardcore userbase usually prefers shooters, but still, this looks great, especially comparing European numbers, where the PS3 with 4.47mil against the 360 with 5.68mil consoles still is leading the pack of the HD consoles.

[KRA]

Whoa... nearly 1:1 sales between 360 and PS3, albeit the 360 having nearly double the installed userbase...

Yes, I know, DMC is a PS franchise and that the 360s hardcore userbase usually prefers shooters, but still, this looks great, especially comparing European numbers, where the PS3 with 4.47mil against the 360 with 5.68mil consoles still is leading the pack of the HD consoles.

viper didn't want it to be interpreted that sony fanboish way.
i am sure he woule love to see it other way :)
how is it you didn't figure it out?!

j/k
so in us ps3 is doing that bad..
anyway fuck us :)

[Segitz]

viper didn't want it to be interpreted that sony fanboish way.
i am sure he woule love to see it other way :)
how is it you didn't figure it out?!

j/k
so in us ps3 is doing that bad..
anyway fuck us :)

If my post seems fanboyish, then tell me, what is "non-fanboyish" supposed to mean^^

This is a pure analytical approach, nothing more nothing less...

[OG_Monkey]

wow...surprising number you got there viper....

[OG_Monkey]

Ok...not only have I still not beaten this game, I have completely no desire to. Fuck all the reviews, this game is shit. I can't believe I'm saying this but it is. I'd rather just search youtube for all the cutscenes then play this game anymore.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

OG Monkey
Neg Rep
Warn
Infraction
Ban
Kill <

[Diresu]

Ok...not only have I still not beaten this game, I have completely no desire to. Fuck all the reviews, this game is shit. I can't believe I'm saying this but it is. I'd rather just search youtube for all the cutscenes then play this game anymore.

I liked it...quite a bit. It wasn't nearly as good as 3 but it wasn't bad.

[OG_Monkey]

Its true >_>

Only a DIE HARD DMC fan can like this game

I get lost so many times, map is pointless, so much repetition, I just dont wanna play it anymore.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

No, no, no. You're just dumb. This is the best Devil May Cry yet.
You can say...that you don't like Devil May Cry or its style...or something like that. But saying it's shit is just patently false.

[OG_Monkey]

I dunno, I loved DMC1-3 and beat em all but this one just lost me, I dont know why. I hate backtracking and the enimies and multiple boss fights of the same bosses.

[Xclusion]

I haven't beaten the game yet either, haven't even got to Dante yet. to many games too little time. From what I played I think its on par with DMC3 for best in series. I'll try to get to it before MGS4 launches.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I dunno, I loved DMC1-3 and beat em all but this one just lost me, I dont know why. I hate backtracking and the enimies and multiple boss fights of the same bosses.

:duh:...every DMC has this....:chinese2:
And if you liked/loved DMC2 then well there goes your credibility right out the window.
In the first one you fight the same 4 bosses 3 times a piece!

[VG Aficionado]

In DMC1, the three times you fight with the bosses are actually different, unlike in DMC4. They fight differently and they're in different places. In both DMC3 and DMC4 they're the same thing twice, although there are more bosses.

After finishing DMC4, my preferences remain like this: DMC1 > DMC3 > DMC4 >>> DMC2

The cutscenes are artistically the best ones yet though, although I found DMC3's more entertaining. The storyline still doesn't beat DMC1 IMO, and Dante just isn't the same.

[Hisham]

DMC3 > DMC4=DMC1 >>>>>>>>>>>> Shit >>>>>> DMC2

That is how it goes for me.

[Black Dragon37]

How do you beat that electric monster efficiently? It's fucking up my advancing in the Bloddy Palace.

[OmniCloud]

The first is almost always the best...

best story...
best difficulty setting...
best overall game...

Cut the nonsense and re-invent the wheel already Capcom.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah but I went back and played 1 and it's sluuuuggish by comparison, even to 3. And 3 is sluggish compared to 4.

[Black Dragon37]

How do you beat that electric monster efficiently? It's fucking up my advancing in the Bloody Palace.

[Hisham]

How do you beat that electric monster efficiently? It's fucking up my advancing in the Bloddy Palace.

There is no way to beat him efficiently. You just have to be sorta lucky.

With Dante, just shotgun the shit out of him and then combo with Lucifier when he loses his electricity. Just make sure to explode them after the red electricity comes. He dies quicker that way.

With Nero, charge shoot him till he loses the electricity and then grab him. When he gains the red electricity, you just have to keep charge shooting.

[VG Aficionado]

The electric fiend sure is annoying. Follow Hisham's advice.

[GTShotoKen]

After playing past Normal mode on DMC4 back when it released I soon became bored of it just like I did DMC3, unlike DMC3 though; I didn't bother to go beat every difficulty.

The game still suffers from dumb enemies that have the same freaking tactics from difficulty to difficulty. The only enemy I respected was Dante. I love DMC4's fighting engine, but I want the enemies to make me want to exploit it. The same strategies I used on Devil Hunter mode, I used on Son of Sparda mode and for half of DMD mode before I just stopped playing. Dante pushes you to hell and back to in order to beat him, but I don't feel like the other bosses do that.

I don't want enemies to just have more life and dish out more damage. This is why God Hand and Ninja Gaiden are still my favorite action games.

If the only strategy change I need to make is to be more careful then I don't believe the game is pushing me enough (maybe I'm a masochist?).

Devil May Cry 1 is still my favorite in the DMC franchise and I still have more fun playing that now than DMC3 or 4, but even that wares thin after a decent play-through.

Bloody Palace mode in DMC4 is fun though and that's where I spent the majority of my time playing it when I played on my friend's system.

[TEEDA]

If only the Devil bringer was used " to go to your ennemy " instead of grabing them.

[GTShotoKen]

If only the Devil bringer was used " to go to your ennemy " instead of grabing them.

Well it's like that when you fight bosses at least.

I kind of regret that the slam move was put in because that can become a crutch against normal foes if you ever get too overwhelmed with Nero. Dance Macabre is overly good with Dante too against normal foes lol.

Bloody Palace, Lucifer, and the Exceed system are all I thought about when I played DMC4.

[OG_Monkey]

Finally beat the game. Loved the Epilogue 2 ending. Come on DMC5!

[Black Dragon37]

On PC?

[GTShotoKen]

On PC?

I heard the PC version ran well and looked great.

[Hisham]

Finally beat the game. Loved the Epilogue 2 ending. Come on DMC5!

Haha about time.

The second epilogue was pretty jokes. Reminded me of a corny 80's action flick.

[OG_Monkey]

On PC?

Nah, 360

Haha about time.

The second epilogue was pretty jokes. Reminded me of a corny 80's action flick.

Haha yeah

[Z]

the game was boring as shit till I finally got to plat Dante- which then, it was basically a replay since you back track through everything fighting every boss again.

now I just got nero again and I turned off my PS3...

[OG_Monkey]

I heard the PC version ran well and looked great.

I heard that too. Direct X 10 and all that

the game was boring as shit till I finally got to plat Dante- which then, it was basically a replay since you back track through everything fighting every boss again.

now I just got nero again and I turned off my PS3...

OMG exactly how I felt, just look how long it took me to beat this!

[acousticvan]

I played this game a while ago and it was shitty. The control was unresponsive. You play with your luck. Sometimes it works other times it doesn't. DMC3 is the best and my girlfriend played it while I was taking a break from DMC4. She tried DMC4 and didn't like it.

[Hisham]

...

I'm sorry, I know the game has it's faults but unresponsive controls isn't one of them lol.

[GTShotoKen]

I'm have the exact opposite reaction to nero than most people.

I thought Nero was much more fun to play with than Dante and enhancing his sword combos with shuffles, the exceed system, and his charge shot having the ability to rebounce enemies made him feel deep to me.

I used to be a combo freak, but I got bored with all of that by DMC3 and Dante is still the same to me.

Overall, the fun wore off for me really fast and I went back to playing NG: Black. I guess I'm more into NG's style of gameplay.

[OG_Monkey]

For me it wasn't about who more fun, but funny. Dantes just more cooler and loveable (no homo) IMO. Nero speant the whole game whining and kept focus on just getting that girl back. Dante had the jokes, fun times, same ol Dante.

Dante >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nero

So for me, Nero's part was just Zzzzz

[GTShotoKen]

lol, Nero was a bitch...but he was a bitch with a motorcycle engine in his sword. :lol:

Dante definitely is cool in every aspect in terms of style, design, and moveset...but he's grown so far past the fighting level of his enemies that it's just not fun to me to fight with him.

It's not much more difficult with nero, but revving gives me a little more fun at least since it's like a game within a game.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The game is properly balanced for Nero to be able to hold his own, and if you're using the Devil Right as much as the designers want you to, it's almost a walk in the park. But then you get to mission 11 and start playing as Dante, wherein he breaks the game over his knee.

And it took me at least 3 levels to get used to not having the Devil Right to use against baddies. But switching between his 4 fighting styles on the fly made it a blast. IMO Nero is a welcome addition to the series. And his sword is awesome.

[Hisham]

I think it was meant for Dante to totally kill everything when you get him lol.

I mean, he is the one who beat Mundis for good ya know lol.

[Z]

Nero is cool, he has a devil hand and a bike-charge-like sward, which is awesome as hell. the problem is, he doesn't get anything new for the entire game. sure, you can 'add' some combos, but I maxed him out fairly shortly. and the rest of the game was the same thing over and over with the intro of new enemies every major level.

as soon as I got Dante, I hade multiple weapons and guns. and damn, that Pandora suitcase is freakin awesome! Lucifer is crazy as well. it makes me feel like Vamp playing it (doing it with style) and let's not forget the kickass attitude of Dante himself.

I don't have a problem with Nero other than he doesn't get any new weapons at all. okay, I hate his name too, but what the hell, right?

PS. every single time i hear his name a voice at the back of my head screams "nero burning ROM!" lol.

[yoshaw]

All I see DMC4 is,

Playing Nero was easy mode. Coz he got the demon hand n shit. Easy to pull gruesome combos.

Playing Dante was like playing normal mode. In the sense, that it was hard to pull yourself or walk all the way to the face of some bosses n execute combos.

Nero had the advantage of just pulling himself in right to a boss' face, thanks to demon hand.

Dante didn't.

Both were equally fun but Dante's gameplay steps in when they think we can handle it. A brilliant game design choice IMO. Capcom needs respect! So pay it.

Respect!!

[OG_Monkey]

Give me DMC5, prequel to DMC 1 and sequel to DMC3 but before DMC2 that focuses on Vergil maybe while in the demon world...

Meh, not much to tell there. I guess Virgil is done unless he just "comes back"

[Hisham]

It think you have the timeline confused. If it is a prequel to DMC1, that automatically makes it a prequel to DMC2.

It goes, DMC3, DMC1, DMC4, DMC2.

If you want an interquel to fit inbetween DMC3 and DMC1 to feature Virgil, I don't think chances are good.

[Raitei]

i got bored of the game about half way through... so i sent it back to the rental place

[OG_Monkey]

It think you have the timeline confused. If it is a prequel to DMC1, that automatically makes it a prequel to DMC2.

It goes, DMC3, DMC1, DMC4, DMC2.

If you want an interquel to fit inbetween DMC3 and DMC1 to feature Virgil, I don't think chances are good.

LOL I don't know. Just mean a game that focused on Vergil before he became Nelo Angelo which would be before DMC1 and after DMC3

[Z]

just give me a DMC game where Dante is the main character!

[Black Dragon37]

I expect DMC5 to half it between Nero and Dante. Equally.

[GTShotoKen]

I think they need to retcon DMC2 and just move on (it definitely won't hurt anyone).

I also think they need to make a more streamlined title (basically, the game doesn't need useless sections or repeat levels and missions to artificially lengthen the game) with faster action and a more involved story.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

just give me a DMC game where Dante is the main character!

That's...all of them. You could still argue that Dante is the main character even in 4. They just pulled a Raiden/Solid Snake move. Except you do play as Dante for 50% of the game, unlike Solid Snake, where it's like, 20%. That's not the meat of the argument, but that's part of it. Besides, 1, 2 and 3 are nothing but Dante. And 2 practically doesn't exist! So that's 2 games out of 3 where you play as Dante the whole time.

...where are you going with this, Z?

[OG_Monkey]

too many numbers!!!!

[masteratt]

Two plus two is fouurrrrr
Two plus two is fouurrrrr
Two plus two is fouurrrrr

(chuckling) I can see why this is so popular.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

too many numbers!!!!

It's past your bed time, I'm surprised you're even able to manipulate a keyboard much less read or count.

Fuckin teenagers..
Go to bed.

[Z]

well, I just finished the game. I was worried that I started the game on devil difficulty, and thought I will have my ass handed to me soon enough and I'll just restart with human difficulty, but the game was actually easy. I never stopped in a place I couldn't beat. I even used little health items and for only some of the boss fights. I filled up on everything for the final boss but I kicked him around like a kid kicking his ball in the park.

I think DMC3 was much more difficult, no?

[Z]

you do play as Dante for 50% of the game
could be (you still finish the game as Nero), the thing is, Nero's entire game through is the same, while Dante kept getting new weapons that were so cool you didn't know which ones to use. I was switching in mid fights between all of the melee weapons, guns and styles. man, what a rush! but it ended so soon.

PS. they never explained why, who and from where Nero got his arm. I unlocked a few things by finishing the game, maybe one of them explains it?