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pari
07-25-2007, 11:24 PM
Article (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/07/25/another-day-another-microserf-another-bet-on-sony-hardware.aspx)


Another Day, Another Microserf, Another Bet on Sony Hardware
Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:15 AM
By N'Gai Croal

Just when I thought that I was out, they pull me back in.

--Michael Corleone, "The Godfather: Part III"

What is it with Microsoft employees and their zeal for wagering with the staff of Level Up? After Sony's gang-who-couldn't-shoot-straight handling of its talking points surrounding the price cut for Playstation 3 in the North American market, and the introduction of a PS3 value pack in Europe, a friend--Xbox director of technical strategy and attack blogger Andre "Ozymandias" Vrignaud ("the Sean Hannity of the Xbox division's blog army," as we affectionately dubbed him last year)--tapped out this post and emailed us the link. In it, he wrote:

The old 60 GB SKU is being cleared out for $499 as quickly as possible - as you might recall, this was the supposed "price cut" that Sony announced. In reality, once supplies are gone in the next couple of months it'll be gone forever. However, that doesn't leave Sony in a good place. A single, $599 SKU would be untenable; if they don't move significant hardware this holiday they'll basically be dead for this generation.

My prediction is that you're going to see the creation of a new, low-end SKU this holiday. It'll likely remove integrated WiFi, memory card reader, and most controversially, all backward compatibility. (Remember, there's still some back-compat hardware in even the new "software only" back compat SKUs; removing the remaining CPU is a significant cost savings.) You'll see a new WiFi dongle made available. And finally, this low-end SKU will likely come with a smaller 40 GB hard drive. The low-end price will be set at $399, with the higher-end 80 GB SKU dropping to $499.

So there you go - nothing magic about the current value SKU. It's just a classic retail technique of clearing the channel for new SKUs. Now we just need to wait a few months for the announcement - it'll have to be before Thanksgiving, so I'd expect October.

We pinged him back with our prediction for the remainder of 2007 after store shelves had been cleared of the 60 gigabyte PS3: one SKU, $499. Not long thereafter, Vrignaud placed a call to Level Up HQ, challenging us to a wager on the subject of Sony's pricing plans for this holiday. We initially demurred, but Vrignaud persisted, and we acquiesced; this time, we won't even be able to blame intoxicants, seeing as we accepted during business hours.

The bet is as follows: Vrignaud says that Sony will start selling a $399 PS3 by Black Friday 2007, the official start of the holiday season. We say no. Vrignaud expressed interest in our dreads--no doubt hoping to bestow them upon a particular colleague as a token of his devotion to the Xbox cause--but we declined, preferring to keep our flowing locks safely out of harm's way. Instead, we agreed that the loser would buy the winner a steak dinner at a restaurant of the winner's choosing. We're partial to Gotham steakhouse in our hometown of Vancouver, Canada; it's pricey, but their steaks are the best we've ever had, bar none. And with Microsoft about to unleash the "Greatest Holiday Lineup in Videogame History," Vrignaud should have absolutely no trouble picking up the tab.

I think "Ozymandias" should worry about all the 360 doing RROD after Halo3 release. N'Gai should make a bet "after Halo3 release the increase in number of RROD is going to lead to a total recall". And all the hardcore MS fans being upset. This scenario would be nice to bet against "Ozymandias".

snippet (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2006/12/13/critical-hit-thoughts-on-the-playstation-3-s-stalker-and-why-won-t-sony-blog.aspx) about Ozymandias by N'Gai

Some of his post titles are sufficiently innocuous to temporarily disguise their true intent, like "Playstation 3 User Interface Thoughts" or "Thoughts on PS3 Launch Quantities Being Cut." Others, like "PS3 Online Being Supported By Xfire...Not as Cool as It Seems" and "Playstation 3 - She Just Ain't Done," have a very clear objective, and its initials are F, U and D. And no matter how much he tries to resist, Vrignaud simply can't help himself

I cannot understand these MS employees who are obsessed with PS3 and losing focus on their own stuff. Get the 360 hardware to reliable in the first place... We talk about insecure fan boys and why they are idiots.. Why not add this MS employee to the greatest insecure idiotic fan boys list? I do not think any Sony Exec can be pointed to be doing this nor the official playstation blog writing pure unadulterated FUD against 360.

yoshaw
07-26-2007, 12:33 AM
I'm surprised Newsweek even gives a rats ass to the Ozymudus guy. Showcasing his piece in newsweek columns is what's more bothersome than the idiot guy himself on his own blog away from regular people. Atleast by himeself all he's catering too is blind xbots. Now everyone has to go read what Ozymundus whines about. Bleh. So needing hits is also a newsweek thing eh.

Passive
07-26-2007, 12:36 AM
im pretty much getting that same feeling Yoshaw. i dont really know much about said person but he strikes me as the type to say MGS4 is coming to the 360.

Gegenki
07-26-2007, 12:52 AM
why did i read that

chartwel
07-26-2007, 01:00 AM
lol. they know more about sonys products than their own. seriously though, MS and all of its people need to fix the godd*mn hardware and stop worrying about other companies.

and whats up with people saying MS has the greatest holiday lineup? Sony is not slacking on any titles either. just look at there upcoming games. look just as impressive, and in my opinion more impressive than MS. MS has like what, 3 big exclusives or something? well guess what, so does sony.............

GTAce
07-26-2007, 01:06 AM
they know more about sonys products than their own.
True dat! :laugh:

I actually find this article quite amusing.^^

Viper
07-26-2007, 01:08 AM
While I can dig some friendly banter and corporate wagering among the two, I find this just way too pointless.

BruceWayneIII
07-26-2007, 01:12 AM
Well, I think he is trying to make people believe that there will be a new and cheaper PS3 coming sometime before Christmas. If that message get's through, some people will hold back on their PS3 purchase and wait a little more. That would make a great situation for a 360 price cut. In their opinion.

I am still baffled when remembering hearing strangers talk about the 'big' news that a PS4 would be launched in 18 months. Those simple messages unfortunately travel very fast.

Viper
07-26-2007, 01:16 AM
I am still baffled when remembering hearing strangers talk about the 'big' news that a PS4 would be launched in 18 months. Those simple messages unfortunately travel very fast.

WTF? Where did you hear this?

GTAce
07-26-2007, 01:18 AM
Oh i remember that too.
Wasnt it because Sony said something about plans with the PS3 and the new 65nm stuff?

BruceWayneIII
07-26-2007, 01:22 AM
Someone just wrote an 'article' about the PS3 evolving over time and chose a headline that said something in the line of 'PS4 to launch in 18 months'. FUD, FUD, FUD... But a lot of people just read headlines and starts to spread the 'news'.

Viper
07-26-2007, 01:27 AM
Ok, I think I remember that.

Man, it's times like that make me realize just how much better you guys are than most other sites out there.

GTAce
07-26-2007, 01:39 AM
Man, it's times like that make me realize just how much better you guys are than most other sites out there.

Have to agree. :grouphug:

julps31
07-26-2007, 01:42 AM
Damn GT..i was just about to post that group hug smiley lol. But I got the "page cannot be displayed" page when i tryed to submit lol.

Passive
07-26-2007, 01:43 AM
its all me ^^



















lacking sleep lol.

GTAce
07-26-2007, 01:48 AM
:lol:

lips
07-26-2007, 02:17 AM
so what this now? An ms fanboy writing about ps3? Don't really get the point. Is he excited to buy one, and convert? I can understand that, but if he his such a xbot, why is he worried about ps3 sales?

Viper
07-26-2007, 02:21 AM
Lips, he's not just any fanboy, he works for MS.

masteratt
07-26-2007, 02:29 AM
Does Microsoft remove their employees brains or something?

Viper
07-26-2007, 02:48 AM
Does Microsoft remove their employees brains or something?

No, lack of one is a requirement. It's on the application.

cliffbo
07-26-2007, 02:49 AM
Does Microsoft remove their employees brains or something?

yes and they use them to make 360`s hence the failure rate.

j\k or am i?

:)

GTAce
07-26-2007, 03:06 AM
No, lack of one is a requirement. It's on the application.

That reminds me so on "Its not a bug, its a feature" lol.

frosty
07-26-2007, 03:16 AM
Man, MS seems REALLY sore about PS3's E3 success. This whole thing kinda flies in the face of Sony recently saying they want to get rid of the multiple SKU's all together.

Viper
07-26-2007, 03:21 AM
Man, MS seems REALLY sore about PS3's E3 success. This whole thing kinda flies in the face of Sony recently saying they want to get rid of the multiple SKU's all together.

Which is why I'm betting against the bozo.

sikkinixx
07-26-2007, 03:35 AM
How long until:

"CONFIRMED!!! $399 PS3 THIS THANKSGIVING!!!!!"

In an inside interview a Microsoft Employee has comfirmed, even placing a bet for a steak dinner on the line, that Sony IS RELEASING a $399 'handicapped PS3!! YES YOU READ RIGHT! It will not feature WiFi, card readers, and will sport a mere 40GB HDD. But, perhaps most SHOCKING OF ALL, it will NOT FEATURE backwards compatibility with PS2/PSX games!!

"

Applefiend
07-26-2007, 04:05 AM
Fundamentally...

1 - People don't want to buy crippled consoles, they see PS3 or 360 as a long term investment.

2 - Don't get your Sony news from Microsoft or your Microsoft news from Sony.

3 - Pepsi news from Coca Cola is suspect too. :)

pari
07-26-2007, 04:48 AM
MS is known as Roach Motel, everything goes in nothing comes out. All the best brain go to MS and yet only nothing or crap comes out of MS.

masteratt
07-26-2007, 04:53 AM
Almost like the digestive system.

You eat amazing food and it all comes out as shit.

gibmonster
07-26-2007, 05:30 AM
MS has been compared to a dog that barks at every passing car. This is another article that backs that up.

Old_Timer!
07-26-2007, 06:07 AM
You know a great man once called 3 games the perfect storm of gaming and they're all gonna be on a certain console which I shall deem X. These games are GTAIII-Madden06-Halo 2 and now history is repeating itself in the new generation.
But then another great man said what would you call all those games on our system with additional console exclusive which are GTAIV-Madden08-LAIR-WarHawk-Rachet&Clank-Socom I would call it a Mega Tsunami:cheers:

LaLiLuLeLo
07-26-2007, 07:54 AM
Or the four horsemen.
Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted and Ratchet.

Segitz
07-26-2007, 08:59 AM
Yes yes, interesting... an MS bloke telling Sony what to do^^

MSs holyday lineup isnt bad, not bad at all, but saying Sonys is lackluster is pure ignorance. I mean, ignoring something that was shown two days ago, that set the gaming world ablaze is rather hardcore stuff :D (ok MGS4 is released after XMas, but this still is a big selling time).

LiquidEagle
07-26-2007, 09:20 AM
So the bet is that Level Up is betting against a $399 PS3 in any form by Black Friday, or just a gimped $399 PS3? Either way I don't think it'll happen, but yeah. Also, is that blog post saying (shortly after the statement of the bet) that Vrignaud is attributing their apprehensiveness to doubt on Sony and trying to use it to play up Microsoft?

I'm a little unclear but either way this guy sounds like a retard :laugh:

gibmonster
07-26-2007, 09:24 AM
Yes yes, interesting... an MS bloke telling Sony what to do^^

MS's holiday lineup isn't bad, not bad at all, but saying Sony's is lackluster is pure ignorance. I mean, ignoring something that was shown two days ago, that set the gaming world ablaze is rather hardcore stuff :D (ok MGS4 is released after XMas, but this still is a big selling time).

Yeah. MS doesn't have a bad lineup. However, I can't shake this feeling that they only thought about getting out of the gate to sell as many consoles as they can before the competition came out. Now that they've passed some psychological barrier by launching first all they're doing is sitting on their ass.

Sony is a beast. Their lineup for the remainder of this year and 1st quarter 2008 is unbelievable.

People who are talking down PS3's lineup really ought to take their nose out of their asses and breathe in some clean air.

Domination
07-26-2007, 08:09 PM
Article (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/07/25/another-day-another-microserf-another-bet-on-sony-hardware.aspx)



I think "Ozymandias" should worry about all the 360 doing RROD after Halo3 release. N'Gai should make a bet "after Halo3 release the increase in number of RROD is going to lead to a total recall". And all the hardcore MS fans being upset. This scenario would be nice to bet against "Ozymandias".

snippet (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2006/12/13/critical-hit-thoughts-on-the-playstation-3-s-stalker-and-why-won-t-sony-blog.aspx) about Ozymandias by N'Gai


I cannot understand these MS employees who are obsessed with PS3 and losing focus on their own stuff. Get the 360 hardware to reliable in the first place... We talk about insecure fan boys and why they are idiots.. Why not add this MS employee to the greatest insecure idiotic fan boys list? I do not think any Sony Exec can be pointed to be doing this nor the official playstation blog writing pure unadulterated FUD against 360.

Well, I heard this before in the very same way they concluded that Sony didn't have an online strategy. I see this here as nothing new. If anything, it sounds like a mirror reflection of their own plans to be honest about it.

Jay Gee
07-26-2007, 09:34 PM
Or the four horsemen.
Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted and Ratchet.
And the Holy Trinity.
KZ2, FFXIII, MGS4.

LiquidEagle
07-26-2007, 09:53 PM
... I always called the holy trinity MGS1, MGS2, and MGS3 :-p

Viper
07-26-2007, 10:01 PM
Please, everyone knows the Holy trinity is the Triforce.


*dodges tomatoes only to slip on a well placed banana peel*

AC!D
07-27-2007, 01:19 AM
You guys think that statement was bad! I read an article on Kotaku i think yesterday or the day before about the head honcho of Microsoft in Europe saying that the 360 has more added value because of the 3 year gaurantee now than it did before, when quized by the interviewer about ppl's perceptions about flawed hardware being sold to the public, in terms of future 360 sales. I mean the balls of this guy!!!!!!!!!! It just pisses me off!

On top of that there are rumours of a 50$ price drop for the 360 in time for Bioshocks release! Why a price drop i wonder? Maybe because the falcon 65nm chips have been announced and they wanna sell off the flawed SKU's!
This last point is just pure speculation on my part but if true they are trying to sell flawed 360's stocked in shops by cutting the price to make them attractive and release their new fixed (hopefully fixed) hardware just in time for x-mas!

LaLiLuLeLo
07-27-2007, 01:24 AM
Please, everyone knows the Holy trinity is the Triforce.


*dodges tomatoes only to slip on a well placed banana peel*

I got the rope!