hello, I have a question for the sig makers...

[Orgasm Simulator Robot]

... okay, I have a question for the sig makers, those who seems to spend a lot of time in sig making. I think that doing art (of any form) is a worthy thing. I, myself, love a lot of aspects of arts and enjoy most of the art forms.

and I was worrying about this. it is a pretty obvious fact that internet message board sigs are kinda useless. I mean, they are seen by a really small ammount of people and they get changed every now and then. sometimes, I see sigs that must take a lot of time to do and I get the feeling that all this art and this time is kinda wasted because of the purpose of those sigs (mostly saying your name with a picture of something you like).

okay, so here is my question. Why do you guys keep doing those sigs every 2 or 3 days instead of doing some major piece of art that would worth it ? I dunno, like some desing for a website, or a big virtual image that could be used/seen somewhere else than a random message board. I'm asking you this but I dunno, maybe y'all are doing both... like, working on some major art stuff and doing some small sigs in spare time.

I dunno, I guess this question goes for those who seems to do lots of sigs like my friend tavis...

[[[tavis]]]

Its kinda like going outside and shooting basketball for 5 to 10 minutes, or playing ONE game of madden football instead of playing a season. Its just a condensed version of a final objective. I like making sigs for many reasons, they are not time consuming, the only ones I have ever really spent time on are my own. Sometimes I come up with nice ones for other people that may look higher quality, but most of the time I spend maybe 20 min on each, including visualization and saving/loading onto the website. So i guess I like to do graphic design, no matter what the final result. Avy's on the other hand are useless unless accompanied by a sig. I hope that answers it.

[Orgasm Simulator Robot]

yeah, that's a good answer. but then again, does doing something with more time involved in it would give you more satisfaction as an individual or as an artist than those lil' "condensed version of a final objective" ? I dunno, maybe it's just the action of doing it, no matter what the final result (like you said) is giving that hype. either way, it's cool.

I dunno if you know who I am but we had a lot of discussions (including at nnet and here) with lots and lots of my other names. and some of the times we were discussing about your sigs, it was in a negative way from my part. I don't really like sigs. I think they are so predictable and not even that much good-looking most of the time. sometimes I like the one you do, but I don't know, it's hard to be amazed by a sig, I think. so that is why I was negative. not to be mean... most of the time, it was true. but I don't hate you. I think you're a funny dood. your taste in music is weird too, but it's aiight...

peace !

[[[tavis]]]

I know you didn't mean anything negative, you stated your opinion and asked a logical question, glad I could answer it. Any other graphic person wanna chime in and give their two cents, everyone is welcome to.

[r33hash]

Its basically like practice. Vise is obviously on a higher level than most of the sig makers here, considering the fact that he is gettin a degree in graphic design and already has an internship lined up for himself. So, making a sig isnt a big deal for him. Just helps him hone his skills a bit more. But for other, its all about practice. The more you work at something, the better you get and more you learn. And since programs like Photoshop are nearly impossible to master everything anyways, its always a plus to practice. And honestly, until you reach a certain level, its really difficult to think up and actually create a big piece of artwork unless you know a lot about the program.

[Orgasm Simulator Robot]

Its basically like practice. Vise is obviously on a higher level than most of the sig makers here, considering the fact that he is gettin a degree in graphic design and already has an internship lined up for himself. So, making a sig isnt a big deal for him. Just helps him hone his skills a bit more. But for other, its all about practice. The more you work at something, the better you get and more you learn. And since programs like Photoshop are nearly impossible to master everything anyways, its always a plus to practice. And honestly, until you reach a certain level, its really difficult to think up and actually create a big piece of artwork unless you know a lot about the program.


I understand what you mean but I disagree with you about that last sentence. I think that nearly everyone can make a big piece of art and you don't need that much on knowledge at all. Well it might be a bit different when you're talking about computer art cause you're dealing with interfaces and buttons that you have to learn and shit. so in the case of "computerized-art", you're right, you kinda need to get some experience and get to know the programs to deal with something big.

but if we're talking about straight regular visual art like painting or drawing, then, you can just pick up a pile of different pencils and have fun with your paper. I get the feeling that the value of an artistic thing decreases when you learn lots of rules. I mean, art is something that starts from the art and you gotta believe in yourself instead of shitty theories by fake art teachers. So you see, you gotta believe in your inner creativity and your imagination. Believe in abstraction, damnit ! hehe...

[r33hash]

Oh, yeah, but the initial comment you made revolved around sigs and the reason that they are made in the first place. I mearly stated that using the same talents that lie behind creating sigs, you would really need a good grasp of a program to be able to make a nice piece of art that would be worth the time.

[Orgasm Simulator Robot]

yeah, sorry, I guess that I got carried by the subject and started talking about art in general because all this shit just becomes one at some point.

I've been making some music for about a year now. I use my computer, keyboards, machines, effects and all that kind of shit. I have never took any musical class and I have no clue about musical theories and musical concepts. and to be honest with you, I don't give a shit about that kind of shit. I just go by myself and create something that is really from me. I honestly think that rules should be forgotten when you're talking about art. I mean, fuck a chorus/verse/chorus-type of song. that shit is boring and unoriginal. I don't want structure, I want fun. and I get the feeling that those sigs, which are sooo damn full of rules, lose it's point and becomes useless. but I dunno.

then again, I want to start painting, I heard it's not really expensive and it looks so fucking dope to do. I already do some small movies with my friends but some real visual art must be nice to do. I mean, you're in front of your empty painting with your paint and your brushes. you smoke your blunt and put some jazz music on. and then you just throw some paint on that shit.

must be so fun.

[r33hash]

If you can, you otta post some of your mixes. I would like to hear em.

[Orgasm Simulator Robot]

If you can, you otta post some of your mixes. I would like to hear em.


well I have posted some of my songs in here in the past but I've changed my name soooo many times that you (everyone) probably couldn't follow who was who and shit...

uhmmm... yeah so here are some of the songs that I have uploaded:

agasse33.mp3 (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/agasse33.mp3)
a tribe called contradiction (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/atribecalledcontradiction.mp3)
pfKUT (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/axp_PFKut_3pm.mp3)
psycho clip 2 (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/psycho_clip_2.mp3)
Raisins de corinthe (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/raisins_de_corinthe.mp3)

I have tons of others, those are kinda old by now but it's all I have on the internet... Agasse and pfKUT are the most recent.

*waits for feedback*

[Skull Kid]

The only 2 you sent me out of that list was pfKUT and psycho clip 2.

I'll check the others shortly.

[Loomer]

I kinda do feel like I've been wasting my time. Especially with this current sig.
After hours, I finally learned how to use layers with transparency but what I was left with was a picture that never needed layers with transparency.
But I learned from it.
Thank you for reminding me. I'm going to make something great later. It will be great. Trust me. It will. *looks at a 2003 mugshot of Michael Jackson*

[Blaksmoke]

well I have posted some of my songs in here in the past but I've changed my name soooo many times that you (everyone) probably couldn't follow who was who and shit...

uhmmm... yeah so here are some of the songs that I have uploaded:

agasse33.mp3 (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/agasse33.mp3)
a tribe called contradiction (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/atribecalledcontradiction.mp3)
pfKUT (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/axp_PFKut_3pm.mp3)
psycho clip 2 (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/psycho_clip_2.mp3)
Raisins de corinthe (http://membres.lycos.fr/Q91/raisins_de_corinthe.mp3)

I have tons of others, those are kinda old by now but it's all I have on the internet... Agasse and pfKUT are the most recent.

*waits for feedback*

Coolness.
:3eye:

[r33hash]

Ill have to check those later OSM. Got serious hw to do right now.

[Fiend]

i only make sigs and wallpapers. thats about all i can do. what i can do in photoshop is pretty limited.

[Crow]

i make them just when im bored to try and make something better than the last thing i made and just to figure out new techniques that i may be able to use with college work or whatever...