What about Sony/PlayStation pisses you off?

[XboxEvolved]

So I am doing a similiar thread in the Xbox forums for Xbox: http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=1677445#post1677445 if anyone cares to contribute to that one as well.

So basically this is the rules for the thread, first try to keep it on topic, two you post something that pisses you off and/or you reply to a subject somebody has said. I will begin:

UMDs what the hell is that? Something tells me that if Sony were to hold off on PSP, waited until it would be easy to put a big flash based HD in there that not only would PSP be more successful, but it would have saved Sony and developers some money, it would have also made a Sony sponsored download service a more viable thing than it already could be.

It might be different if some other machines other than PSP used UMD but come on man..that's all I really got so far, just trying to get a interesting topic started.

[yoshaw]

What pisses me off coz of PS3?

1) Fanboys of the opposite spectrum trying everything in their power to make everyone believe PS3 is teh doom'd.

2) PS3 making all competition to moneyhat journalists to write shit about it. Because otherwise it'll once again reign all over them.

And buncha other stuff. No, I'm fine with price and bluray. You can take that debate elsewhere coz I'm not entertaining anyone on that.

[Viper]

John glad you decided to cover all consoles with this feature of yours. It should really shed light on the industry for us all.



I think what has pissed me off most has been their PR. However I think this may have been addressed with David K's departure for Sky Spirits. The last nail in the coffin was the release of a 20 page booklet for review sites on specifically how it review Lair. This is absolute bullshit. You don't coax reviewers into providing a better score by trying to apologize directly to them with a 20 page book on how to give it a better score than the 57% average it's surmised. With David K gone, I hope they can replace him with someone of the same mind set as Howard Stringer himself. If Stringer were in charge of PR from the start, I bet you PS3 would be kicking ass right now.

Under David K, Sony seemed like they lose touch with those that made them who they are. Stringer seems to still be in touch with them perfectly.

Fix the PR and you fix most of the problems surrounding the system.

[Passive]

1) Fanboys of the opposite spectrum trying everything in their power to make everyone believe PS3 is teh doom'd

2) Lack of current games on the market. But as we all know that will change.

[OmniCloud]

I think the price is stopping people from picking it up just because it's Playstation...that sucks...

PSP UMD thing I don't really mind, I just wish it had more space as a media player...

But really, just price, it's keeping people from gobbling up PS3's, and it's keeping games exclusive on X360 because devs can afford to not put it on PS3....

I'm sure there's more, but right now I'm happy with Sony/PS3 and its PR have gotten better...

Just a nice waiting period for MGS/FF13 now...

[Smokey]

lack of games probably (i honestly dont buy alotta games anyway), i really want a good racer GT/V8s. but they will come

[Dakota Grabowski]

Their controller.

[makeitlookreal]

I'm not really ticked off at Sony about anything.

[karibu]

PS3 is a dust magnet. That pisses me off.



UMDs what the hell is that? Something tells me that if Sony were to hold off on PSP, waited until it would be easy to put a big flash based HD in there that not only would PSP be more successful, but it would have saved Sony and developers some money, it would have also made a Sony sponsored download service a more viable thing than it already could be.


That's really, really broken theory.
Okay let's assume PSP had inetrnal flash HD and no UMD's and games were downloadable only from internet.
PSP alone in shelf would look really, really appealing when there's no games next to it. Good way alienating customers, like kids and people who doesn't have credit card.

BUT,
wtf is with this topic. Nicely covered your ass posting samekind topic elsewhere. I thought there already were topics popping up or older ones getting busy when there was something to whine about.
Why not "What about Sony/Playstation makes you happy?"
So much hate, so little love.

[Smokey]

Their controller.

i love the controller

[woundingchaney]

The only thing that really kind of irks me is the current state of PSN. I want an enhanced friends list (fully capable) and more content on the store.

[Dakota Grabowski]

i love the controller

I miss rumble + I hate six-axis compared to the nun chucks

[gibmonster]

Nothing about Sony or Playstation pisses me off. Sure. There are things with playstation itself, but this can be remedied in time with more games..a lot of which are coming out over the next few weeks and months.

There isn't anything that pisses me off. Just people who can't afford it or whatever and actively looking for things to hate to justify their financial position. They'll often say their computer/360 w/ subscriptions proves they can afford it, but clearly cash flow isn't at the same point where income is. And they still end up needing to hate it in order to protect themselves from post-purchase dissonance. Worse are the ones who haven't even blown their wad yet. No vested interest but magically married to one side so to speak... General human intelligence clearly hasn't gotten as far as we'd imagined.

God forbid people start hating on sports cars. The dude in the [insert fantasy car] dosn't envy the guy in the ford. If the haters would only go live on an island and stop crapping in the ears of those who've merely taken more constructive initiatives.

[Fillibuster]

Well I posted this topic because it seems like half of the people on this message board are tripping over themselves to get down on the ground and start deepthroating the company and system of their choice sometimes, and well, it's quite gross sometimes.

Personally, myself I hate fucking Microsoft and I think they are one of the grimiest companies in the world, they just make some things that I like. I am a firm believer in quality, not of a company. Sony makes nice TVs, so I have a Sony TV, Apple makes nice computers so I have a Mac, etc, and so on.

Anywho NOT TO GET OFF TOPIC..I think the controller was just a safe bet, what I didnt like is how they "borrowed" ideas from MS and Nintendo, but hey I guess it made an overall better product.

Also karibu I will tell you why the theory isn't "broken" because Sony seems to be pushing towards that in a sense now, and Apple has proven it works. iTunes is now the #3 music store, sells tons of movies, and above all tons of iPods. What would stop Sony from using a similiar and successful scheme? Put that in your pipe and smoke it. In fact, I would almost be willing to bet that at one point within the next 10 years a handheld follows this model, at least I can see Sony or MS doing it.

I want to know if someone can find the source on this, but I think the sixaxis was patented before anyone ever saw the wiimote.

I agree with Wounding PSN is seriously lacking on most things. The one thing PSN slaughters XBLA on however is exclusive games. SSHD, Calling All Cars, Flow...those games kick the shit out of anything XBLA has to offer. But demos coming like months behind? Come on now...

[curryking1]

Pissing me off is more extreme than I would describe my feelings.

I am simply less happy than I can be because...
1) the most important games I bought the thing for are not out yet
2) the ugly triggers on the back of the controller (I firmly believe the Dualshock 2 is the perfect controller pad)
3) rumble is not there for my controllers

Everything else I'm cool with, and there's a lot more stuff I can mention that I love. I am greatly satisfied with my purchase, most definitely.

[curryking1]

Or Sony was smart to eventually come to an agreement and not have either side be charged so they can add rumble later? They were in litigation, what's hard to understand about that? They weren't allowed to put rumble in the PS3 controller legally. That's not being cheap, that's not being stupid and not reaching a smart agreement with a past and future partner in a company and taking short term consequences for future positive effects rather than longer term negative effects.

And no, I'm not easy to please. I like my PS3, thank you very much. I don't need you to tell me what kind of person I am. I can do that myself. What you think about your Xbox 360 or the PS3 has nothing to do with me or my PS3.

[yoshaw]

1) Not really a complaint or a contribution to the overall thread though.

2) This is the same, and I also don’t quite understand what you are saying. Are you implying that Nintendo and Microsoft pays off everyone in the media to talk shit about Sony?


I also don’t like how shamelessly Sony “borrows” ideas from competitors.

No contribution? Reading between the lines shouldn't be hard by someone called XboxEvolved. Ok enough with that.

My underlying message was ... I got no problems with PS3. I love every single thing of it. It may not be what you were seeking in here but I dont care. You can sue me or whatever.

Oh n since we're talking everything hatred here. I'm beginning to hate the tone of our forums lately with a few JVD like people hanging around trying to be the guiding light for lost souls.

[Viper]

John, I told you it would be best that you didn't reply to any posts if you want to use this as information for you article as people will begin replying you personally and not discussing your topic and article.

[Smokey]

games games games.... well the ones i want anyway :)

[curryking1]

What kind of speaking is that too? Why so rude? What the crap is this? Why so obnoxious and uptight? ***king ***t, we're ***king talking about ***king videogames and this guy is getting anal on everyone.

What is this 'you guys are easy to please.' What is this 'you guys are ***king morons.'

What the FUCK is this garbage? What is this fanboyish criticism of the PS3 and PS3 related material I'm having to deal with all of a sudden? Oohh borrows ideas, no one else is doing that right?

Seriously.

WHAT THE FUCK?! I'm sick of being directly criticized by the same individual over and over again, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I'm sorely disappointed nothing has been done about this yet. No normal member would've lasted any seconds with this kind of fucked up attitude and despicable means of communication. This is far from the only incident which is the most amazing thing! I'm absolutely disappointed with E-mpire right now. This is the most disgusting shit I have ever seen on any forum, and that's saying a fucking lot.

[yoshaw]

:lol:

Right when I was about to say my bad fer having a bad day. Curry goes on a fcuk-u-spree. haha



Anyways, my bad! Carry it on XE. I'll take some time off I guess :XD:

[Viper]

John, for the sake of your article, I'm going to remove your posts. Exactly like I said, there is more discussion going on about what you've posted than regarding your original intentions for this thread.

[Smokey]

in again before the lock :)

[curryking1]

If that at all implied I had a bad day, I really didn't, I actually had an awesome night, met a ton of new people tonight and caught up with a lot of uni friends from last year again.

I've simply hated this child's attitude towards me or others in many topics.

[Vegtro]

Well I gotta say the UI for the PSN is an abomination. I'm not sure if it's temporary or not, but it really is slow to navigate. My next problem is not Sony itself but the whiners who didn't like the boomerang. I think the boomerang would have been more suitable for motion control.

[KRA]

I think the price is stopping people from picking it up just because it's Playstation...that sucks...

But really, just price, it's keeping people from gobbling up PS3's, and it's keeping games exclusive on X360 because devs can afford to not put it on PS3....
.

what pisses me off are people who write that price is THE problem for PEOPLE.

the question was what piss you off.
and i hear this shitty some kind of strange spell.
for people teh problem i teh price.
is it problem for you ?
or is the problem that people think that ps3 is too expensive ?
and that's why you repeat this pogan spell again and again like thousends of robots.
making it stronger and stronger. ok i must wake up :)
yeah this pisses me off. reading what people thinks what
for example sony must do to make people buy ps3.
or other crap.
esspecially when question was nothing like that.
nothing personal i just really hate it :)

ahh and it sucks that there is no psn store for my country.

[VG Aficionado]

in again before the lock :)Oh no, what happened here? Was a supermod repeteadly rude and then -repped you because you felt offended by the words "fucking moron" and then said "people need to learn to fucking read"? Or worse? :ohno:

I guess I don't want to know.

[Segitz]

What pisses me off? Tbh not much. Am I disappointed at some stuff? For sure


a) The ugly and very unintuitive PSN. Searching for stuff is like crap. Where's the search button? Why does the EU PSN not show "what's new" on the start screen? Why does the EU always get the short end of the stick, when worldwide distribution via Internet is already manageable BY ME (if I had Sonys servers!)

b) No friendslist ingame. It is totally annoying, that I cannot access my friendslist and send/receive messages while ingame (same goes for voice chat).

c) Which should be a) and goes alongside it. Why oh why does the EU AGAIN have to wait for game releases? Wasn't there 1) talk about how Europe is the most important region and b) that BDROM makes game production cheaper, because it allows for all dubs on one disc? It wasn't just enough for Sony to delay the complete PS3 release, but now also games get always delayed here as well (tbh, the PS3 delay itself wasn't all that bad, that way, I had less time to wait for "now").

d) No region free PS1 and PS2 games... I mean, why oh why do they still enforce these? It just doesn't make sense. The PS1 is basically dead and the PS2 will be come 08. I hope, they get up to speed, releasing PS1 (and PS2) games on PSN, especially OUTSIDE of Japan. They've had some heavy hitters on these consoles, yet they let the market slip, especially now, since not many games were released in the summer, so they could have filled ALL the gaps they had.

e) Why oh why make it so hard for people to copy videos from the PC to the PS3/PSP? I have no problem doing so, as I am pretty good at computer stuff, but others have no idea what to do... Setting up a HTTP server is not easy (yes you can do via memstick, but why take this route?)

f) Why restrict homebrew so much? Especially on the PSP! This machine has SO much more potential than Sony allows for. That's why I have an open firmware installed. Not because of Isos (most PSP games don't interest me, and the ones that do, I buy), but because of stuff like VNC (remote play with a pc), SSH2, more video formats (which already were openend with the firmware), emulators etc etc... Same goes for the PS3s linux support. Sadly, the GPU STILL is crippled. But I can at least play Mame and other 2D stuff on the machine.

So, that was about it :D

[PS3LikeNoOther]

I will just give you what I would like to see Sony/Playstation Division do:

PS3
-Full in Game XMB access (to clarify, same functionality as if you were not playing)
-Cross game chat (I would like to go to XMB start a chat and continue it into gameplay)
-PSStore with everything
+Movies, Music, TV, PSP/PS1/PS2 full games
+User created content and PSN games
+Accessorys for playstations (wheels, memorysticks, controllers, etc.)
-Image and video edit software (so that I can get WMV and contert it to play on a Playstation)
-Rumble back and the option for the real PS3 controller
-IPTV even if it is subscription based I will drop cable and get ride of the extra box
+to go along with that I want DVR
-up to date flash for the browser


PSP
-In game XMB access even if it is slim exclusive
-Give the PSP its own store, heck give it the same store as PS3
-PSN on PSP
-All PS3 games remote playable
-Remote play IPTV
-Bring the camera and GPS to the US
-Home on PSP

Now things that I hate about the Internet forums views on sony and PS3.

COMPLAINT - The PS3 is to expensive I don't want all of the extra features, just give me a Game system.
REALITY - The PS3 was an $850 piece of hardware at launch. Even if it could have played just games it would have been $850. Sony is is taking huge losses and also giving you free Software as insentive to buy the system.
COMPLAINT - Blu-ray means nothing for us gamers, Sony is just using it to get leverage in the format war.
REALITY - Blu-ray is a must for High Definition gaming. With Blu-ray devs have more room to store data, they can run MPEG's in HD while they load the game in the background, they can give you movie quality sound, game worlds can be larger and more varied. Very soon we will start to see the effects DVD has on a competing console.
COMPLAINT - Sony has forgotten about games. The PLaystation is supposed to be about games not all this other stuff.
REALITY - Sony is the largest first party publisher in the video game industry. Microsoft and Nintendo combined are only half of Sony, in the area of games. In fact Sony pushed thier First party Dev teams even further in 2005 when they announced Sony Computer Entertainment World Wide Studios (SCEWWS). With this all of there devs work closer together and better share technology to help make sure game run well and allowing devs to focus on the more important aspects of gaming.
COMPLAINT - Their are no good games coming out for the PS3.
REALITY - Thier are hubndreds of good games coming to the PS3 over the next year, and if you can not find at least a couple that are interesting to you mabye games arn't your cup of tea.

SO to awnser the question, I am not pissed at Sony about anything....Yet. I feel that they are on track to deliver great games and all of the services I want to the PSP and PS3. If Sony can pull all of that off by 2009 I will be very pleased with the PS3, but if they don't, as long as I get 20 more games as good as Lair, Motorstorm, and Resistance I will live.

[Generosity of God]

what i dont like about Sony?
- their marketing of PS3. it's good that it's a BR player, will soon be a PVR and a networking device with Home but at least make the gaming portion be the main attraction. although i guess without a truly outstanding library just yet, it's not yet a good time to push the gaming side.
- they dethroned my Nintendo. it was probably for the better industry wise and got Nintendo to smarten up.

what i dont like about Playstation?
- in the case of PS3, the current price. yes it's good value but that doesnt mean it's an amount i want to pay. i'll get one when it's a bit more affordable and MGS4 is out.

theres probably more but since it's not my primary console i dont really look into it enough to see any other problems.

[section]

Their varying continental strategies pisses me off, I'd be happy to see same stuff in PAL PSN store as in US PSN store.

OK the Japanese PSN store is a case of its own, they don't seem to release too much demos and stuff there either so I would be even more pissed if I was a Japanese consumer.

The overall price could be lower here for both the console and the games, they could even try to subsidize the prices here a bit. Yes the taxes put the price up a lot here but it can't be the whole excuse.

And their PS2 strategy pisses me off as a PS3 user, they still pump a lot of money into that business because it's profitable and therefore they won't let the old cow die :P Therefore they are still lacking a lot in the PS3 business.

[Smokey]

Oh no, what happened here? Was a supermod repeteadly rude and then -repped you because you felt offended by the words "fucking moron" and then said "people need to learn to fucking read"? Or worse? :ohno:

I guess I don't want to know.
no.... im just childish :loser:

[cliffbo]

am i seeing things? is this really on this forum? sorry but we don't need pointless debates like this. you know if you live your life concentrating on the things that piss you off then your not going to be happy, best to concentrate on thing that please you - then by a process of illumination, those that really really want to piss themselves off, can work out what wasn't so good.

[Passive]

well said.

[NickSCFC]

2 things piss me off about Sony today.

1. Marketing fuck ups.

2. Loss of exclusives (remembers when Namco and Konami were exclusive to PS1)

[woundingchaney]

Yeah we are done here.

[XboxEvolved]

Ah, no, we're not. I didn't make this thread in all three sections for one to be closed because people can't deal with opinion, and the fact that I stated in the first post that this is to critque the actual system and the company, nothing else. If you don't have any real complaints, if it is the most perfect thing in the world to you then don't post a complaint. I don't think there was anything wrong with it.

I said you guys are "easy to please" because it just seemed that way to me. If you look at the Xbox forums, people got a book going, Nintendo forums as well. The later posts are great, its good to see people as critical as myself ;)

So please my friends, continue on with the discussion. I will simply sit out on the sidelines for a bit so I don't hurt anyone's wittle feelings. ;)

[curryking1]

Do you want us to apologize because we don't hate our PS3s enough and don't satisfy your description of being critical?

I like how you're judging everyone of us in this thread and section solely on first impression which is clearly severely influenced by major predisposition of the attitudes that'd you'd assume we have.

Want us to apologize about that we don't match your crude generalization of everyone here too?

...wittle feelings.

Oh you're cool now!

P.S. I love how the mods are all on the same page! Awesome staff communication guys, now E-mpire's gaming section is really going from the cream of the crop to the bottom of the barrel in terms of a being a forum.

[frosty]

This thread doesn't need to be locked. It is part of an article polling gamers for what these companies are doing wrong. It's not to start shit. You all are just being too damn defensive against the other sides. The fanboyism is a bit too thick. So, instead of bitching, just do what the thread says and list your gripes, if any, about the ps3 or sony in general.


That said XBE, quit judging us by saying we're easily pleased and all that shit. you don't know half of us and blanket statements like that have no place here. Your opinions about us should be kept to yourself if you actually are posting this thread with the intent of gathering such data about what we think about sony. They have nothing to do with this thread.

[XboxEvolved]

curryking1 dude, you need to learn to take a joke. Seriously man, I never said for you to hate your PS3s; shit back in the day when I was strictly a PS gamer I LOVED my PS1 but it still pissed me off sometimes.

I mean why is it that after a year I had to flip my PS1 upside down for it to play right or am I the only other sucker that had to do that?

curryking1, I don't know what you think, but my thoughts are you have some kind of vendetta against me, when all I want is people to say what they don't like about their systems, in fact to me your complaints on PS3 is far more valuable than mine especially since that is (I am assuming please don't go on a rant if I am wrong about this) your system of choice.

So now without further delay, let us continue this thread and we can learn to love eachother. I already love you! <3

[VG Aficionado]

This thread doesn't need to be locked. It is part of an article polling gamers for what these companies are doing wrong. It's not to start shit. You all are just being too damn defensive against the other sides. The fanboyism is a bit too thick. So, instead of bitching, just do what the thread says and list your gripes, if any, about the ps3 or sony in general.The thread might be valid but the tone is not. It's not just that people are being defensive, it's that a supermod is having a shameful behavior and many people feel disgusted. That's not acceptable.

That said XBE, quit judging us by saying we're easily pleased and all that shit. you don't know half of us and blanket statements like that have no place here. Your opinions about us should be kept to yourself if you actually are posting this thread with the intent of gathering such data about what we think about sony. They have nothing to do with this thread.Precisely.

I didn't make this thread in all three sections for one to be closed because people can't deal with opinionI think it is silly--no ridiculious that anyone would prefer MGS's "gameplay" over Splinter Cell's and would in fact call them a fucking moron.I'm afraid it is you who have trouble dealing with other people's opinion.

[curryking1]

When were we being defensive?

This guy is disagreeing, in which there is no problem. But the fool is also criticizing and insulting us which is not fair at all, as he has done numerous times in various threads.

Edit - XE, ok why don't you start posting like that last post, then I won't have a problem with you.

[frosty]

well, don't go on about bad system reliability (RROD's) when you own a 360. anyway, as you said. any other off topic posts will be deleted.

[Sephiroth_VII]

1. Crappy PR
2. A very disorientating strategy
3. The PS Store is too slow
4. No in-game XMB, though I have no doubt that they will fix this!

No, I'm not going to say my opinion of XE here, since this thread is bad enough as-is.

[frosty]

bad PR is sony's worst problem IMO. all the others are temporary or too minor to mention.

[GTAce]

bad PR is sony's worst problem IMO. all the others are temporary or too minor to mention.

Agree, the marketing sucks.

[Black Dragon37]

1 thing that pisses me off about Sony:

Their PR.

And Viper explained it perfectly. The only things that I'd like to add to that is that the brand itself is losing its focus, and SCE seems to lack a lot of teamwork, which is almost always shown when David Reeves is on the fron page.

[cliffbo]

what really gets my goat is beyond the box

[frosty]

1. racist ads

2. false claims (real time killzone e3 05 trailer, even though they did come DAMN close when they did show the real thing)

3. all I want for christmas is a psp (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tX_3GEvF8RQ)

4. snobby reps making snobby statements

5. repeatedly using pgr pics to advertise gran turismo (even though GT looks way fucking better than PGR3, the logic there is beyond me)

[XboxEvolved]

well, don't go on about bad system reliability (RROD's) when you own a 360. anyway, as you said. any other off topic posts will be deleted.

Um but you should though. You aren't going to hurt my feelings, I'm not Microsoft. Fuck Microsoft anyways. When PS2s were fucking up (and oh how they were) I bitched about it, and I bitch about the red rings as anyone should.

The PGR3 thing is great btw, makes me lololooololol even though GT is a pretty good series. Anyways, I don't like how Sony will originally hype up their new systems; they will promise a lot and then not deliver it. Take the PS2 for example, they were talking about all kinds of downloads, etc stuff that didnt show up until PS3, and they were saying how the visuals would be just as good as FFVIII's CG. Now, I know that Square is also to blame with that, but come on.

With PlayStation 3, they seem to be getting a bit better at that, but not really. I still yet to see the Killzone video from 2005 to be topped, and I don't like how Sony talks about theorhetical performance rather than the actual performance. Microsoft is to blame with that also, but at least the examples they give are typically games that are actually in development (Unreal Engine 3's tech demo comes to mind it was actually Gears of War).

I also don't like how Sony started this standing system trend bullcrap, yeah it was cool with PS2 for a minute, but the truth is, more times than not it can screw up games and even the system. I know it is more of a choice for the person playing, but many people don't know the systems do that when standing up, and they get screwed up games because of it.

[Jay Gee]

re: #5

SONY actually did that? It wasn't an accident? They purposefully did that? Wow...

[cliffbo]

I also don't like how Sony started this standing system trend bullcrap, yeah it was cool with PS2 for a minute, but the truth is, more times than not it can screw up games and even the system. I know it is more of a choice for the person playing, but many people don't know the systems do that when standing up, and they get screwed up games because of it.


this is news to me. the whole standing on it's end thing was so that people with a plethora of boxes beneath their TVs could slide it in neatly. no-one i know has ever had trouble when standing the PS2 on it's end

[Fillibuster]

@XE-I think the PS3 probably alleviated that because the thing is rock solid, and there have been close to zero failed systems or scratched discs or anything like that.

[cliffbo]

@XE-I think the PS3 probably alleviated that because the thing is rock solid, and there have been close to zero failed systems or scratched discs or anything like that.

i feel like i've just dropped some acid and stepped into evil-E-mpire... get on to Riker, i think we've got an anomaly

[XboxEvolved]

Perhaps you are right fillibuster, also I don't know how standing systems up saves room in a entertainment center, maybe on top of a desk or something...

Oh I thought the fact that they were selling stands for the PS2 was retarded, and useless.

[cliffbo]

Perhaps you are right fillibuster, also I don't know how standing systems up saves room in a entertainment center, maybe on top of a desk or something...

Oh I thought the fact that they were selling stands for the PS2 was retarded, and useless.

that's a little strong for just an itsy bitsy stand

[Fats]

I thought cussing in thread titles was a no no?

[cliffbo]

I thought cussing in thread titles was a no no?

do as we tell you, not as we do

[frosty]

piss is a word we can let go, fuck or shit is another thing though, lol.

Anyway, I stand mine up because it fits next to my pc nicely.

and no cliff, I would have let it slide had you done it.

[XboxEvolved]

Well cliffy, I look at it this way, it had no real purpose other than to make the system look better, and it was overpriced. I think the one was like $15-20?

Also piss I would think isn't a cuss word at least, not anymore in today's society. I remember when crap was a cuss word. If anyone else has objections to the thread title, i will change it to something like what makes you mad, I just made the thread title as such to grab attention.

[Segitz]

i feel like i've just dropped some acid and stepped into evil-E-mpire... get on to Riker, i think we've got an anomaly

I am more of a Farscape guy :D

D'argo, kick their asses!!


Btw, why is everyone so "pissed" at Sonys PR specially? ALL PR guys are as bad as it gets. Their only goal is to sell you their stuff. Racist ads? Come on! Racism is something completely different (Eastern Germany, Indian people getting nearly beaten to death because... well they were Indian), not some black and white female PSP ad (which btw had both facons).

I think, Sony markets their PS3 wrong, but not "bad" per se. They should, as with the PS2, market it as what it mainly is, a gaming console. Yes, it can play BD, yes you can listen music et al, but it still is a mostly a gaming console.

What I find a bit sad is, that every freaking game gets delayed and delayed. No matter if FP or SP. Some games were in development for well over 3 or 4 years (HS for example) and yet, the game still isn't released. I know, this is the usual thing with new consoles, but why not break this trend? If Sony had released some good (not super or whatever) games between EU launch and now, the PS3 would have sold MUCH better, even at 600€. Sony did not release ONE SINGLE GAME in that timeframe! They left everything to third party and the only notable games we got were essentially two ports (Oblivion and NGS, both of which are still good games). PSN stuff doesn't sell a single console. Nobody knows what's available. Nice to have SSHD and whatever, but again, it doesn't sell consoles. (but since this time is now over, I couldn't care less :D)

[the boney king of nowhere.]

my ps1 screen speakers have rubbish bass. :(

[frosty]

also, the unreal engine was never shown by sony, they actually showed UT3 (called 2007 at the time) at their e3 05 press conference. It was all realtime as well, though it didn't look as good as it does now.

[cliffbo]

piss is a word we can let go, fuck or shit is another thing though, lol.

Anyway, I stand mine up because it fits next to my pc nicely.

and no cliff, I would have let it slide had you done it.

if you want all the negativity that has been aimed at the PS3 over the last 10 months, click backwards through all the threads and you'll see why some posters would like to see an end to this sort of thing.

[frosty]

fact is, you can't just ignore it though. that is called fanboyism. you have to take the bad with the good, no matter how much bad there is (or isn't as has been the case lately).

[cliffbo]

fact is, you can't just ignore it though. that is called fanboyism. you have to take the bad with the good, no matter how much bad there is (or isn't as has been the case lately).

it's not fanboyism fella, it's wanting to have a goodtime

[ddaryl]

the only thing bitchable on the PS3 is the lack of more AAA titles earlier on.

After that the system is a technical stud. Sony's hardware wipes the floor with the competition

[Black Dragon37]

it's not fanboyism fella, it's wanting to have a goodtimeThen what is fanboyism from your viewpoint?

[Shadow Voa]

Not Sony's fault but I guess this is the only place I can blame my gripes on. Lack of any games I want. My MGS4's, FFXIII, KH3, RE5, WKS...etc. These are why I bought the system and Im not getting any of them for the longest time. I should've waited to buy the PS3 since its sitting here collecting dust, and it's pissing me off.

It's really a matter of gaming preference which is completely a matter of opinion, but since this is something that pisses me off... this is the PS3's greatest problem. This also ties in with their classic PSone download system.

WTF is going on their? Where is the big franchise games I loved on my PSone? What the hell is Sony doing? They need to knuckle the fuck up and get down to releasing the FFVIII's, Chrono Cross, MGS, RE2, RE3, FFXI, Legend of Dragoon. C'mon, give the fans what they want!!

[lips]

I'm not really ticked off at Sony about anything.

whhhaa...!?

1. racist ads

2. false claims (real time killzone e3 05 trailer, even though they did come DAMN close when they did show the real thing)

3. all I want for christmas is a psp (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tX_3GEvF8RQ)

4. snobby reps making snobby statements

5. repeatedly using pgr pics to advertise gran turismo (even though GT looks way fucking better than PGR3, the logic there is beyond me)

+1

[cliffbo]

Then what is fanboyism from your viewpoint?

your best off going back through older posts for the answer to that.

[frosty]

you can't just pass that off as wanting to have a good time. either way it's bullshit, and doesn't belong here. we need to be mature and not like little children fighting over who's toy is better.

[Helios]

I believe the semantics of the thread title are just a bit inflammatory. Sure I have a few criticisms of my PS3 and Sony but I wouldn't say that they piss me off.

1. racist ads

What?

Anyway...

Fix the PR and you fix most of the problems surrounding the system.

I'm gonna have to disagree here, unless I am missing some finer details of how their PR has hurt them.

The biggest criticisms of Sony I have are mostly their bad economic decisions. The price of the console for a start, while fine for me is not alright with many others, which in turn reduces the mass appeal. The tangential issue of course is that also reduces the total number of games made for the system since fewer people own it.

Exclusivity/Game production - I may have missed something but it seems to me that there are far fewer "PS3 titles"(unofficial exclusives) than there are 360 and Wii titles. Possibly because i'm older and video games are a negligible portion of my interests, but the actual "exclusivity" component is dismissible to a degree. All that i'm asking for is something worth playing every now and then. This ties into my next criticism.

Lack of focus - Unlike some people I have always recognized that Sony is more than just a game company, but since the PS3's launch I have noticed a large gulf of focus on the games. Much of this is of course owes due to Sony dragging along the PS2's lifespan, instead of letting it die much as Nintendo and MS have cut the umbilical on their older systems.

If Sony would devote more of their resources and time on the PS3(and finally let PS2 whither away) this would improve just about every aspect of the systems' software faults. It would also ease the perception of the pricing if customers felt as if they were truly getting something worth paying for.

[Carlos]

i love the controller
Seconded.

Dakota's post was retarded.

[frosty]

What?

Anyway...


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[Dakota Grabowski]

Seconded.

Dakota's post was retarded.

are you kidding me? I love rumble. I miss it in the PS3.

It's not retarded. It's an opinion. Please leave the madhouse to the madhouse Carlos.

[yoshaw]

Just wanna say, Helios avatar is HOTT!

Ok whatever, ontopic, I know I'd been a dick earlier in the thread. Will try to make up for it in this post.

1) Definitely agree with whoever said that Sony PR shenanigans need to be addressed asap. One of the worst things Sony has done since E3'05 is to not keep a lid on its arrogant executives and shoddy vgame screenshots. Whether that be Killzone or Lair.

2) Trying to unsuccessfully present PS3 as a media hub as well as a gaming machine. It should had always been a gaming machine regardless of how many things it can do on the plus. IMO, would had created a lot more buzz via word to mouth if people told each other to buy a PS3 instead of a $1000 blu-ray player to save money.

3) Why not the same price in all territories? Why EMEA regions got to pay an extra $200 above the US price? It is simply ridiculous!!

[TrueVCU]

Mostly it's just the flaming bag of crap they call advertising and the price point.

That and sony forcing a format war before it was even necessary.

[Shadow Voa]

^ And that's what I've said a thousand times, have some rep for that!

"Are way is the only way!! You must submit to the Blu-ray way!"

[TrueVCU]

^Indeed! VHS was fully erased just a few years ago, DVD still had some good times left in it :(

[Sephiroth_VII]

3) Why not the same price in all territories? Why EMEA regions got to pay an extra $200 above the US price? It is simply ridiculous!!
It's because of the higher taxes on electronics here in Europe. It's got nothing to do with Sony.
^ And that's what I've said a thousand times, have some rep for that!

"Are way is the only way!! You must submit to the Blu-ray way!"

Disagreed. I very much support having blu-ray, especially after hearing people like Kojima say how much they appreciate it.

[Helios]

http://cache.kotaku.com/images/2006/07/black-psp-europe.png


http://www.i-mockery.com/blabber/pics/psp-white-ad1.jpg


Ah, I guess I can get where the so called "racism" comes from. Still seems a bit overblown, just like everything else nowadays that supposedly "racist" - but thats another topic...

I must say that compared to some of the other ads ive seen walking around times square(advertising heaven) Sony is only marginally "over the top" than anyone else.

[cliffbo]

i don't like the triggers on the PS3 myself, but i've said that many times before. oh well i suppose it's a little contribution and it does help to make me sound mature.

[curryking1]

I despise the triggers on the PS3 controller, the PS2 controller was perfection to me.

[Fats]

I love the triggers.

There. I said it.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I love the triggers. A welcome addition to the timeless Dual-Shock design.

[cliffbo]

I love the triggers.

There. I said it.

lol... :)

my fingers just keep slipping of when i get hot and bothered

[Sephiroth_VII]

Depends on the size of your hand, I guess. Some of my friends have the same problem.

[Shadow Voa]

I actually liked the triggers also, it felt more comfortable then the awkward sound when "clicking" the old shoulder buttons.

[TrueVCU]

Anything that emulates the "shooting a gun" feeling of the Z-trigger from the N64 is a good thing.

[Helios]

That and sony forcing a format war before it was even necessary.

Unnecessary based on what perspective? Feb 19, 2009 all television broadcasts here in the US are mandated to switch to an HD standard. This is nothing to say about how very shortly you won't be able to buy a tv that is not HD enabled. Its probably best that the format war start now instead of at a latter date, best to get it over as quickly as possible. I would rather it be mostly decided by those who know more about the technology than the "mass adopters" anyhow, instead of simply on such a short term initiative as price.

[Shadow Voa]

Yup, fuck anyone who isnt ready to approach that next change or who doesnt want to upgrade. What a great way of putting it.

Those damn Baby Boomers are still holding our HD ready society back...

[Sephiroth_VII]

^^I agree. When Average Joe finally buys an HD TV, he won't have to decide between two newly-unveiled formats.

Vic: Fact is; change IS coming. Sony can either stand back and not profit, or enter the ring and try to get some money out of the format they've been developing for years.

What do you think they should do?

[XboxEvolved]

The timeless Dual-Shock design..which doesn't shock anymore tho.
Anyways, this is my definition of a fanboy: Somebody that will flame another system because he doesn't have it, whom doesn't see anything wrong with the system he has, and will buy into all of the company's hyperbole.

Point in case, I look at the MS MVP program, the Xbox side of it specifically, almost every single person there is a MVP because not only do they somehow contribute to the Xbox community which is fine whatever, but they will not say one negative thing about it. Why am I not a MS MVP, when a lesser, less popular Xbox site has 2 MS MVPs? I'm not naming any names just saying. The site doesn't seem to have any problems with Microsoft though.

Also I will second the BD thing, Sony didn't do that as a favor to anybody but themselves, any positive effect it had for gaming was simply an side-effect. I will just say this though, lets say hypothetically that BD fails, it fails so bad that even some of the companies that support it exclusively now start to fall from it. What happens with PS4? What happens if say 2 years from now somehow HD DVD were to win completely? I'm just saying, Sony putting an unproven technology in a pillar of their business was incredibly risky, and so far it has yet to prove itself. I really wish that both systems, 360 and PS3 would have just held off until the HD DVD and BD group came to a decision, it's costing both a lot of money, and it is stupid. I honestly don't care which would have won either, not only that it would have drove costs down.

Also, HDTV still has a long ways until it meets market penetration like say, VHS or DVD has, and even longer than color television did way back when. I used to think that this mandate for HD signals was going to happen sooner than later, but I honestly don't think it will happen for another 10-15 years.

[yoshaw]

It's because of the higher taxes on electronics here in Europe. It's got nothing to do with Sony.

Super disagreement.

I may have been wrong, saying all EMEA territories. But DUBAI(as in major section of MiddleEast) has 0% tax on electronics items shipped. And even if there is any incurred on something, its so minimalistic, it doesn't amount to 100's of dollars I can assure you.

So my point stands if you don't mind ;)

[Shadow Voa]

Does that take into account Seph that most Average Joe's may not be ready for their HD TV until say somewhere in 2010... or 2011?

It's best guess work, instead of easing the new formats in much like teaching a child to swim, you say, "Fuck it" and toss them into a lake and say, "You better know how to swim kid!"

[Helios]

Yup, fuck anyone who isnt ready to approach that next change or who doesnt want to upgrade. What a great way of putting it.

Even though I didn't put it that way. No one is forcing you or anyone else to choose a format now, DVD still has quite some years left in it. So the sardonic comments are a bit unnecessary.

Does that take into account Seph that most Average Joe's may not be ready for their HD TV until say somewhere in 2010... or 2011?

What does this even mean? "not ready" you make it sound out to be like these people are losing their virginity when all they're doing is buying a new tv or getting a converter box. Lets try not to bloat this issue to be something its clearly not.

It's best guess work, instead of easing the new formats in much like teaching a child to swim, you say, "Fuck it" and toss them into a lake and say, "You better know how to swim kid!"
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What, Operating HD-DVD and BluRay players requires you to have a computer sciences degree now?

[Sephiroth_VII]

Super disagreement.

I may have been wrong, saying all EMEA territories. But DUBAI(as in major section of MiddleEast) has 0% tax on electronics items shipped. And even if there is any incurred on something, its so minimalistic, it doesn't amount to 100's of dollars I can assure you.

So my point stands if you don't mind ;)

Forgot where you live Yoshaw, sorry. I have no idea of why it's so expensive in the middle-east.

Maybe because of the small amount of consoles sold?

Does that take into account Seph that most Average Joe's may not be ready for their HD TV until say somewhere in 2010... or 2011?

It's best guess work, instead of easing the new formats in much like teaching a child to swim, you say, "Fuck it" and toss them into a lake and say, "You better know how to swim kid!"

Like VHS, DVD has many years left in it. It's not just going to disappear overnight. Also, it's not like you're forced to own an HD tv to watch the new broadcasts; you'll just have to watch them downscaled to SD.

Again, no one is forcing you to change anytime soon.

[Shadow Voa]

Even though I didn't put it that way. No one is forcing you or anyone else to choose a format now, DVD still has quite some years left in it. So the sardonic comments are a bit unnecessary.



What does this even mean? "not ready" you make it sound out to be like these people are losing their virginity when all they're doing is buying a new tv or getting a converter box. Lets try not to bloat this issue to be something its clearly not.


What, Operating HD-DVD and BluRay players requires you to have a computer sciences degree now?

1. No need to get all sensitive on the first one, I was trying to make a point that some people ala TrueVCU and myself for examples think it was forced. So my analogy was correct, it's the whole heads up sort of deal when someone throws something at you and you have to be fast to dodge it. In this case, BR wasnt dodged and it smacked consumers in the face. Take it for what it's worth, no need to read into so much Helios.

2. Not ready, as in they do not want, they arent prepared to spend so much, they have no desire for something new. They really all end up the same I think, "Not ready" is simply just that. These people are not eager, willing or ready to upgrade their tv's. They are happy with what they have and that is more then enough. I can just hear someone Grandmother bitching and moaning in a store about how she can see just fine.

3. Youd be surprised. God, my own mother delights when she turns on her computer. She is confused by something like Num Lock, and for her clicking a mouse is fun. On the DVD scene, "How do I work the remote?" she's brilliant in some things and not in others. The point being technology can be a scary thing for some people. So while your sardonic comment about the degree's is warranted, in a lot of ways it's sad to say not quite so.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Last post, since it's time for bed.
2. Not ready, as in they do not want, they arent prepared to spend so much, they have no desire for something new. They really all end up the same I think, "Not ready" is simply just that. These people are not eager, willing or ready to upgrade their tv's. They are happy with what they have and that is more then enough. I can just hear someone Grandmother bitching and moaning in a store about how she can see just fine.
Then those people can just choose to not buy an HD tv or a setbox. Hell, my grandma only has a VHS, and she copes just fine.

In the case of the box needed to receive the signals, I don't know the situation in NA, but most Danish providers include a box for free when you buy your subscription. They even send you a new one when the older model becomes too outdated to handle the signal.

[Shadow Voa]

Other then people my age and a varied amount of adults, I see so much technologically disabled people it's scary. Future Shop, Best Buy, Walmart all selling electronics to consumers for what I would say is about 60% demograph full of people not sure what they are doing/buying.

[VG Aficionado]

If everyone was required to know and/or understand how to operate most kinds of electronic devices and whatnot, there wouldn't even be a 10% of the sales. Most console buyers just know that you insert the game and it works.

[Shadow Voa]

Anyway BR being included (forced) in the PS3, that's a gripe. Don't bother questioning it for those that already have. This is things that piss you off, and BR is indeed something that pisses me off.

Check mate, end game.

[The Dude]

1) Lack of games

2) Lack of rumble

3) Lack of Live quality online service

4) price.

I will get a PS3 eventually. Soon as they fix these unforgivable problems or when Gran Turismo 5 comes out, whatever happens first.

[Fillibuster]

^How is lack of rumble unforgivable? They couldn't help the fact that they were in litigation. Instead of fucking themselves in the future they waited out and can now use the technology as opposed to just saying screw it. I don't feel that that is unforgivable.

[venomv]

The only complain that comes to mind is how slow it is to do anything in the PS Store, It's almost a pain to DL a demo....

[Helios]

1. No need to get all sensitive on the first one, I was trying to make a point that some people ala TrueVCU and myself for examples think it was forced. So my analogy was correct, it's the whole heads up sort of deal when someone throws something at you and you have to be fast to dodge it. In this case, BR wasnt dodged and it smacked consumers in the face. Take it for what it's worth, no need to read into so much Helios.


Who has it smacked in the face exactly? Because of limited library expansion you can still easily walk right past the HD-DVD/BluRay sections and barely bat an eye. You still have this overly reactionary position as if someone's forcing you to change overnight. I know a few people who first bought a HD set back in early 2003, and as of July this year 30% of americans own an HD set. I'm willing to bet the other 70% of the population is not completely ignorant of HDtv's existence either.

2. Not ready, as in they do not want, they arent prepared to spend so much, they have no desire for something new. They really all end up the same I think, "Not ready" is simply just that. These people are not eager, willing or ready to upgrade their tv's. They are happy with what they have and that is more then enough. I can just hear someone Grandmother bitching and moaning in a store about how she can see just fine.


Well excuse the oversimplification but grandmothers are a bit out of Panasonic and Sony's demographic aims.

Price? Surely we are not talking about the same country here. I'm certain just a little while ago people were lined up and camping out to buy a $600 iphone.

Again who are you talking about, no desire for something new? This is simply absurd we're talking about america here, the most heavily consumerist minded people on the planet. There's plenty of crap americans buy that we simply don't need, even regardless of how much debt that piles up.


3. Youd be surprised. God, my own mother delights when she turns on her computer. She is confused by something like Num Lock, and for her clicking a mouse is fun. On the DVD scene, "How do I work the remote?" she's brilliant in some things and not in others. The point being technology can be a scary thing for some people. So while your sardonic comment about the degree's is warranted, in a lot of ways it's sad to say not quite so.

Not being able to operate it won't stop people from buying it, they simply get someone else to show them how to operate it.

Anyway BR being included (forced) in the PS3, that's a gripe. Don't bother questioning it for those that already have. This is things that piss you off, and BR is indeed something that pisses me off.

Check mate, end game.

So long as we are clear that these are your objections and not blanket statements about the entire populace.

[Shadow Voa]

What about Sony/Playstation pisses you off?

What part of, Anyway BR being included (forced) in the PS3, that's a gripe. Don't bother questioning it for those that already have. This is things that piss you off, and BR is indeed something that pisses me off. didnt you understand Helios? These are my gripes. Move on...

[Helios]

What part of, didnt you understand Helios? These are my gripes. Move on...

You clearly missed the latter part of the post, I did end the conversation. Don't start whining now.

edit: Besides unless im mistaken the whole point of starting a topic is to inspire discussion. You're just touchy because i'm not allowing you to make generalizations - which are not just "your" complaints.

[lips]

blu-ray may be all that is good (and bad) about current gen.

[Viper]

Unnecessary based on what perspective? Feb 19, 2009 all television broadcasts here in the US are mandated to switch to an HD standard. Not exactly. In 2009 they must switch to digital broadcasting which still includes 480p. People assume digital and HD are interchangeable terms and that's not completely acurate.

With well over 100 million households in the US, not all of them will be on the HD bandwagon even by 2009. A large portion will buy a digital antenna or will have digital cable before replacing the TV itself.

[frosty]

It will still offer alternatives, for instance, my station that I work at broadcasts digitally, but that doesn't stop comcast from recieving our digital transmissions and broadcasting it over their analog basic cable lines. the move only really prohibits people who use bunny ears to watch their TV's from getting a signal unless they have a digital setup.

That said, comcast is already making a push toward HD itself, promoting the shit out of it, and it is working. many of the most tech-illiterate people I know have a true HD setup now from seeing all the ads (even though I had to go hook up their cable box to their TV with component cables so they actually got a real HD signal, they thought composite would cut it and were bragging about thier crisp HD picture until I got there, lol).

[masonite]

is this supposed to be about things we actively hate about the console, things we really don't like, or is it simply what we view as the cons of the system? a more comprehensive title would have helped (in all three threads). Since its only asking for what we dislike, i'll only give the negatives, although it seems pretty silly (if this is going to be in an article) if for all three consoles we're only being asked for a negative view, without justification of those negatives. Sounds more sensationalist than anything, a kind of "most people on forums hate everything" approach. But anyway, on to the negatives:

Price for me is a problem,

pushing the HD angle means there are some people in the present that feel a bit alienated by the console, and that theres no justification in getting it now,

lack of games i reckon i'd like (cool offerings on psn aren't enough at the moment to justify the purchase).

Silly and often almost contradictory PR moments,

the proprietary tech fest known as PSP,

console attracts dust, looks rather large,

can't rest anything on top of it,

lack of rumble (not really an issue, but if it was there i wouldn't complain, hence it being a negative).

untested online (any way you look at it, there will inevitably be some teething problems with trying something for the first time, hence its a negative)

exclusives not gained when others gained.

interface could be more streamlined.

most AAA tiles face constant delays.

having to put original playstation on its side sometimes to make it work

having to chip the consoles to play imported games

delay between overseas releases and pal releases

get a sore thumb from holding down the x button when playing F1.

loading times

ps1 games aren't free - despite being incredibly old (most PC games of that age are freeware by now).

some recent advertising seems pointless, lacks creativity of earlier campaigns.

originally putting out 2 different SKU's.

not offering basic psp in australia - only the "value pack".

scared of changing things too much - ie waiting too long to announce innovation.

complicated price reduction - prices changing at different times in different regions - makes people hold off buying a console.

[curryking1]

Oh, one more thing that annoys me a little bit.

This is hand in hand with not having the games I bought this thing for. I don't feel I am experiencing what this machine has to offer, and seeing what kind of power it has.

I don't feel I have the Cell computer chip combined with the RSX on my desk right now pretty much. That will change soon when I pick up a star title for the system of course, but it'll be a while until I buy a new game.

[The Dude]

^How is lack of rumble unforgivable? They couldn't help the fact that they were in litigation. Instead of fucking themselves in the future they waited out and can now use the technology as opposed to just saying screw it. I don't feel that that is unforgivable.

All I know is that I can't put the controller down my pants anymore, and that makes me a very unhappy camper

[Dakota Grabowski]

I'm pissed off that Crash's good years are still found at Sony and they abandoned the poor guy. Same thing with Spyro -- can someone buy them a decent game finally?

[Passive]

why is this thread re-opened? :S


and there is a new spyro comming out on the ps2 Dakota

[Cofey]

I have been told that if using the PS3's Bluray player, the picture quality is automatically downscaled to 480p if you aren't running in 1080p. Can anybody confirm or refute this?

[Viper]

I have been told that if using the PS3's Bluray player, the picture quality is automatically downscaled to 480p if you aren't running in 1080p. Can anybody confirm or refute this?

Not exactly.

Older HD CRT's only offered 1080i and because they can't do HD in progressive scan the content would be dropped to 480p since there is no 720i.

It's an issue that affects very few gamers.

[Pluto]

Personally, I've got no gripes with the system itself. But..

Square Enix president Yoichi Wada told a gathering of reporters in Tokyo that the future of PS3 "would be tough if its marketing strategy is not straightened up".

Not even for the slightest second can I say that Sony had adequate advertising in any form at any time.

[Dakota Grabowski]

why is this thread re-opened? :S


and there is a new spyro comming out on the ps2 Dakota

You don't understand, Spyro from Sony is 100x better. There are no Spyro games outside of Sony ones in my own mind.

[VideoGame mania]

Hmm, great thread.
1- Sony didn't make PS3 for games only, lower priced console more games they win.
2- Sixaxis has no vibration, not the most important, but turned some people off.
3- Sony PR sucks, except Phil Harrison, they basically killed PS brand reputation with stupid claims "next gen starts when we say so" " We can sell 5 million PS3s with no games and people will buy it" ect.
4- Lack of great games in the first year, yeah I know but they had an extra year to kick ass from the start, esp with the most expensive system around.
5- Still waiting for soundtrack and XMB access which MS did years ago.
6- They lost focus on how to promote PS3s features in an easy way, so people know what PS3 is worth. Baby crying commercials, PS3 hovering in space, was a waste of money didn't explain a thing.
7- Poor marketing. I wish they advertised 3rd party and their own exclusive games like MS did with Gears, Bioshock.
8- why make 80gb sku which rises PS3 to the 599 level again. why repeat same mistake MS did ? except Sony made the complete system .

[Fillibuster]

All I know is that I can't put the controller down my pants anymore, and that makes me a very unhappy camper

Fair enough :thumbr:

[Smokey]

I have been told that if using the PS3's Bluray player, the picture quality is automatically downscaled to 480p if you aren't running in 1080p. Can anybody confirm or refute this?

no my plasma runs in 1080i as viper has stated

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Sony's marketing and PR of the PS3 has been one debacle after another.

[Segitz]

no my plasma runs in 1080i as viper has stated

Before the upscale FW, you were either forced to watch BD at 1080i or p or watch at it at SD.

[yoshaw]

Forgot where you live Yoshaw, sorry. I have no idea of why it's so expensive in the middle-east.

Maybe because of the small amount of consoles sold?

Yea that could be one of the reasons. Another that comes to mind is the stupid number of millionaires in this country!! I mean total population for local emirati arabs is like 150K(I cud be way off here) and the no. of millionaires according to a survey is more than 65,000 =-o

Motherfudging unfair eh :XD:

[Sephiroth_VII]

Move to Denmark!!

Or rather, don't. Our leading party's National Socialist support party has made sure that you're treated as poorly as possible to make you leave again ASAP, you god damn Muslim terrorist!! (I hope you catch the sarcasm ;))

[Smokey]

we paid a Grand AU because they used the euro or something as the rate instead of the US

[section]

^^So that's the real Grand Theft AUto? :)

[Smokey]

:) ^^

[cliffbo]

RAC/DRAKE/MGS/FF/GT..... i am happy

[Smokey]

DRAKE/MGS/V8s/R:FOM/MS/GT/SH/RE5..... i am happy

[Passive]

mgs/rac/dmc/mgs/ff/gt/mgs/mgs/drakes/re5/hs/slash/msg.

can you tell im happy?

[Smokey]

whats the 'slash' passive?

[Passive]

its a / in word form :P im being silly smokes. *slap* get with it boy!

[Smokey]

i thought that to start with :-[

[Passive]

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6903/030804gibsonmelcopyun7.jpg


Mel says otherwise.

[cliffbo]

DRAKE/MGS/V8s/R:FOM/MS/GT/SH/RE5..... i am happy

looks like we're all happy... better rejoin the experiment...

[masteratt]

Their scheduling problems (I made a thread about this).

Other than that, nothing I guess.
And maybe that their plans are TOO future proof? But that's hardly a bad thing in the long term.

[cliffbo]

Their scheduling problems (I made a thread about this).

Other than that, nothing I guess.
And maybe that their plans are TOO future proof? But that's hardly a bad thing in the long term.

i get the impression you are fed up lol +rep

[Black Dragon37]

I'm pissed off that Crash's good years are still found at Sony and they abandoned the poor guy.The main reason for that is that Sony didn't want Crash Bandicoot becoming the mascot for the PlayStation brand, like Sonic did for Sega and Mario did for Nintendo.

[cliffbo]

i think an up and coming budding star?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nPLz80vnMw

[Dakota Grabowski]

The main reason for that is that Sony didn't want Crash Bandicoot becoming the mascot for the PlayStation brand, like Sonic did for Sega and Mario did for Nintendo.

Well Sony didn't own the Crash franchise to begin with as Universal was the one that owned it. I know the history -- just wish the history of Crash wasn't as unfortunate as it is currently.

[curryking1]

Personally, I've got no gripes with the system itself. But..

Not even for the slightest second can I say that Sony had adequate advertising in any form at any time.

Honestly.... Not that I watch TV much myself to notice this I guess, but whenever I do I don't see any adverts, not on billboards either, not much at all.

It's really disappointing to see Sony not doing that, they used to do it very well and this time around it's non-existent. I hope the HS ad I've heard about is the beginning of a marketing blitz, now that the start of actual games coming to the PS3 over end of 07 and the 08 year has pretty much just started with HS.

[Leedogg]

for me it is how Sony is advertising the PS3

Just look at the This is Living compaign (its a cool slogan, don't get me wrong) but no where in those commercials do they even mention the PS3.

Even the baby commercial, though weird, had a PS3 in it.

[Derrick Barra]

PS3
-Full in Game XMB access (to clarify, same functionality as if you were not playing)
-Cross game chat (I would like to go to XMB start a chat and continue it into gameplay)
-PSStore with everything
+Movies, Music, TV, PSP/PS1/PS2 full games
+User created content and PSN games
+Accessorys for playstations (wheels, memorysticks, controllers, etc.)
-Image and video edit software (so that I can get WMV and contert it to play on a Playstation)
-Rumble back and the option for the real PS3 controller
-IPTV even if it is subscription based I will drop cable and get ride of the extra box
+to go along with that I want DVR
-up to date flash for the browser


PSP
-In game XMB access even if it is slim exclusive
-Give the PSP its own store, heck give it the same store as PS3
-PSN on PSP
-All PS3 games remote playable
-Remote play IPTV
-Bring the camera and GPS to the US
-Home on PSP

Now things that I hate about the Internet forums views on sony and PS3.

COMPLAINT - The PS3 is to expensive I don't want all of the extra features, just give me a Game system.
REALITY - The PS3 was an $850 piece of hardware at launch. Even if it could have played just games it would have been $850. Sony is is taking huge losses and also giving you free Software as insentive to buy the system.
COMPLAINT - Blu-ray means nothing for us gamers, Sony is just using it to get leverage in the format war.
REALITY - Blu-ray is a must for High Definition gaming. With Blu-ray devs have more room to store data, they can run MPEG's in HD while they load the game in the background, they can give you movie quality sound, game worlds can be larger and more varied. Very soon we will start to see the effects DVD has on a competing console.
COMPLAINT - Sony has forgotten about games. The PLaystation is supposed to be about games not all this other stuff.
REALITY - Sony is the largest first party publisher in the video game industry. Microsoft and Nintendo combined are only half of Sony, in the area of games. In fact Sony pushed thier First party Dev teams even further in 2005 when they announced Sony Computer Entertainment World Wide Studios (SCEWWS). With this all of there devs work closer together and better share technology to help make sure game run well and allowing devs to focus on the more important aspects of gaming.
COMPLAINT - Their are no good games coming out for the PS3.
REALITY - Thier are hubndreds of good games coming to the PS3 over the next year, and if you can not find at least a couple that are interesting to you mabye games arn't your cup of tea.



Great post! I think I have some things to add that I would personally like to see..

PS3
-Support for bluetooth headphones, and release a bluetooth headphone+headset combination peripheral.

-Updated PS3 Web browser that supports the WMV format video streaming, a version of the browser that is keyboard+mouse friendly (no need to zoom in and out or use the controller).

-Release PS Store cards in game stores

-Instant boot to Home when you buy the system, with boot to game or XMB as a option

-Jukebox option for PS3 games done via the XMB that allows you to take over the games audio and play your own music files (ala X360). Taking note that said music must "dim out" when a character speaks in a game (ala Gears of War) so that you can hear the actor.

-Jukebox function for home, where your avatars PSP will stream the music your PSP is currently playing onto your friends PS3's.

-Radio Websites releasing Jukebox only avatars that stand around Home in places and allow you to suscribe to their station and adds their station as a playable option in the XMB Music section.

-Allow said suscribed Jukebox channels to be played during PS3 single player game sessions.

.... I have a lot more but I have to run to class, shit I'm late!

[Segitz]

Great post! I think I have some things to add that I would personally like to see..

PS3
-Support for bluetooth headphones, and release a bluetooth headphone+headset combination peripheral.

-Updated PS3 Web browser that supports the WMV format video streaming, a version of the browser that is keyboard+mouse friendly (no need to zoom in and out or use the controller).

-Release PS Store cards in game stores

-Instant boot to Home when you buy the system, with boot to game or XMB as a option

-Jukebox option for PS3 games done via the XMB that allows you to take over the games audio and play your own music files (ala X360). Taking note that said music must "dim out" when a character speaks in a game (ala Gears of War) so that you can hear the actor.

-Jukebox function for home, where your avatars PSP will stream the music your PSP is currently playing onto your friends PS3's.

-Radio Websites releasing Jukebox only avatars that stand around Home in places and allow you to suscribe to their station and adds their station as a playable option in the XMB Music section.

-Allow said suscribed Jukebox channels to be played during PS3 single player game sessions.

.... I have a lot more but I have to run to class, shit I'm late!

Hey, that really sounds good. Especially the first ones. I recently got a A2DP stereo headset and can only use it for vox on the PS3, not for sound itself... Sad sad.

[Sephiroth_VII]

-Updated PS3 Web browser that supports the WMV format video streaming, a version of the browser that is keyboard+mouse friendly (no need to zoom in and out or use the controller).
Won't be added until Microsoft makes Windows Media Video open-source.

I browse the web from my PS3 using kb & m. What's the problem? :huh:

-Instant boot to Home when you buy the system, with boot to game or XMB as a option

Could possibly be added with Home. Very likely even.

-Jukebox option for PS3 games done via the XMB that allows you to take over the games audio and play your own music files (ala X360). Taking note that said music must "dim out" when a character speaks in a game (ala Gears of War) so that you can hear the actor.

That would require big changes in the fw, and the memory demands, plus it would be forcing developers to just accept it. Not Sony's style.

Devs have been allowed to play music from the HDD since FW 1.90, so if they waqnt to allow you to do it, nothing is stopping them.

-Jukebox function for home, where your avatars PSP will stream the music your PSP is currently playing onto your friends PS3's.

Very likely.

-Radio Websites releasing Jukebox only avatars that stand around Home in places and allow you to suscribe to their station and adds their station as a playable option in the XMB Music section.

A wet dream, but requires 3rsd party cooperation. I think Sony is game though.

-Allow said suscribed Jukebox channels to be played during PS3 single player game sessions.


-Jukebox option for PS3 games done via the XMB that allows you to take over the games audio and play your own music files (ala X360). Taking note that said music must "dim out" when a character speaks in a game (ala Gears of War) so that you can hear the actor.

That would require big changes in the fw, and the memory demands, plus it would be forcing developers to just accept it. Not Sony's style.

Devs have been allowed to play music from the HDD since FW 1.90, so if they want to allow you to do it, nothing is stopping them.

[yoshaw]

Cliffbo, +rep for The office avatar!! :laugh:

[cliffbo]

Cliffbo, +rep for The office avatar!! :laugh:

thought it was quite fitting ;)

[OmniCloud]

@Kra-well it is a problem for me because my friends can't get it (price)

I've been fortunate enough to snag one because of current circumstances, but not so much for a lot of my friends.

Many improvements to the systems like Derrick and PS3Likenoother posted...

But yeah, overall besides price, it's just more awesomeness needs to come out of SOny. MOre Little Big Planet and Echochrome!

More PSeye games and Home stuff...

More Warhawk/Uncharted and new franchises.

More 3rd party support..

To sum up--I like the direction Sony is taking with PS3, there just not doing it good enough:shrug:

and a few less idiotic spokesmen would be nice as well...

[Black Dragon37]

Another thing that pisses me off about Sony...

Their "honour codes".

Remember when Jack Tretton said that Sony doesn't buy exclusives, they earn them?

Are they dumbasses? Honour doesn't exist in the world of business. Especially when Microsoft seek to coquer the market you're competing in. Beat them at their own fucking game, goddammit!

[/rant]

[OmniCloud]

if everyone thought like that tho...

there would be no good vs. evil cliche now would it?

I know it's a rant, but companies have to believe in there own goals/standards/procedures. How else would we determine any differentiation?

The best games always win out in the end, it's good to spit out the money to get exclusives, it's better to have studios that just want to work on your platform.

IMO--it's better to make your console speak for itself, instead of your pockets.

[Passive]

Why did this thread come back up :S

[Viper]

Why did this thread come back up :S

Sony must have pissed someone off?

[masteratt]

Because people wanted to contribute?...lol



Their "honour codes".

Remember when Jack Tretton said that Sony doesn't buy exclusives, they earn them?

Are they dumbasses? Honour doesn't exist in the world of business. Especially when Microsoft seek to coquer the market you're competing in. Beat them at their own fucking game, goddammit!

[/rant]
Money turns gold into shit.
Look at stuff Rare made since MS buy out, nothing that amazing and half the team quit anyway lol

Sony since the Ps1 days is known for being a great company to work with and that's how they get support.
And if you convince a dev to work on your console because it can do more for their games, they are going to work with passion and love and create something inspired and awesome.

[Passive]

Still its a silly thread :P

and dont tell me not to open the thread then XD



btw nice avatar masteratt :)

[VideoGame mania]

TGS wasn't as impressive as I thought, the heck it was a disappointment.
where are Team ICO games ?
Dual Shock 3 NA/EU delay wtf ?
Home delay, geez is there smth. Sony doesn't delay ?
No PSN movie/music service announcement
No 2.0 firmware
FFVII remake, yeah right lets buy Motorstorm devs who cant make a game which sell systems.

[Passive]

I'm still wating on this 'Endless Crisis: Final Fantasy VII" and Star Ocean 4.


But is MS2 the game Famitsu was talking about? :S the sony funded game? ffs that's just friggen annoying.

[yoshaw]

Offtopic,

I just heard, Syphon Filter PSP got ported over to PS2. I hope they port Crisis Core to PS2 as well. Now that would ROCK! Although I'm sure they'll take their sweet time(a few years) before committing to this decision. LOL

[yoshaw]

Is it just me??

Who thinks Microsoft is trying desperately to mimic the Final Fantasy name hype via shady naming of its recent RPG's? Both 'Last Odyssey' and 'Infinite Undiscovery' reek of Final Fantasy pronunciation rhyming. :shrug:

Sick twisted bastards, I swear :rant:

[Passive]

well with the new TV out will it be needed?


ive noticed that too :P

[yoshaw]

I mean for those who don't have a PSP and the millions upon millions of PS2 owners to cash-in with? That'd be cool to rake in the extra green ya know.

[masteratt]

Wait until Final Dream I comes out on X360.

[yoshaw]

Or maybe wait for another title called,

Dispute Unwillingly

Or

Hiding Cowardly ?

:shrug:

[curryking1]

I'm pretty sure it's Lost Odyssey though, unless you meant to do that, I can't tell lol.

[yoshaw]

Curry,
You're so slow :duh:

Catch up man!

[Passive]

Concluding Hallucination

[yoshaw]

No No, rhyme it with Final Fantasy :laugh: but it was a good one.

[section]

Bridal Granny?

Rental Strongly?

http://www.rhymer.com/

[B Dizzle]

Incontinent Hypocrasy

What do I win, Bob?:thumbl:

[Passive]

nothing. because i win :P

Incontrovertible Reverie

[Red_Eyes]

Piss me off? Invalid credit card info.

[OmniCloud]

TGS wasn't as impressive as I thought, the heck it was a disappointment.
where are Team ICO games ?
Dual Shock 3 NA/EU delay wtf ?
Home delay, geez is there smth. Sony doesn't delay ?
No PSN movie/music service announcement
No 2.0 firmware
FFVII remake, yeah right lets buy Motorstorm devs who cant make a game which sell systems.I agree that some of that shown would have been better, but the majority of the stuff you mentioned is still coming...because it wasn't shown doesn't mean TGS sucked for Sony, it was actually very impressive all the game content they showed off and Kaz "getting back to the roots" is probably more important than any of these announcements.

delays, waits, its what PS3 owners do. How many times did users say in the early days PS3 is really launching in 2007 and it's taking names and asses year is 2008?

Regardless of how long it takes to get here, these things ARE coming to Ps3, and with a little patience, some ownage is sure to plz all PS3 owners.

[cliffbo]

what a great time to bump this thread. hell, i didn't want to have a good time anyway

[yoshaw]

Bridal Granny?

Rental Strongly?

http://www.rhymer.com/

Incontinent Hypocrasy

What do I win, Bob?:thumbl:

nothing. because i win :P

Incontrovertible Reverie

LMAO!! :thumbl: +rep to j00 all

[Viper]

Didn't MS cancel an MMRPG for the Xbox that had a very similar name or something with Fantasy in it?

Found it: True Fantasy Live Online


Damn, they tried to rip Final Fantasy and Phantasy Star Online all together.

[yoshaw]

Way to spread the word man!! +rep



*Viper = Err :shifty:*

[JasonXe]

all I want for christmas is a psp (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tX_3GEvF8RQ)

PR/Marketing
a. ads
b. marketing- potraying cgi as actual gameplay.
c. reps - stupid comments like next gen starts when we say so and stuff
d. Overhype for above average games.
e. Making to many promises and not seeing through fully.

Sony-
1. Lack of prepartion
a. Dev kits entirely
b. Games taking to long to develop for (a)
c. Delays


2.General
c. Losing Exclusives
d. No Rumble

Online -
Lack of content
Hard to navigate
negelating EU base
Lack of features

That's about it.

[JasonXe]

i think an up and coming budding star?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nPLz80vnMw

chia chia bang bang, chia chia bang bang lol

[cliffbo]

chia chia bang bang, chia chia bang bang lol

yeeee... coooool ;)

[Black Dragon37]

Incontinent Hypocrasy

What do I win, Bob?:thumbl:http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/2752/bobroflff4.jpg

[Jay Gee]

Didn't MS cancel an MMRPG for the Xbox that had a very similar name or something with Fantasy in it?

Found it: True Fantasy Live Online


Damn, they tried to rip Final Fantasy and Phantasy Star Online all together.
And ever since they cancelled TFLO, Level 5 hasn't even looked Microsoft's way.

What pisses me off about Sony right now? Delays. HOWEVER, this does give me time to pay off my PS3 and save money for a TV and games, so it's not all bad.

[Coded-Dude]

the fact the a newly redesigned PSP is out everywhere, and while other territories are getting(or have) hardware accessories - America has patiently waited for 2 and a half fucking years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!....and we still don't have one damned accessory for the PSP.

[flipflop]

The thing that pisses me off is virtually every problem the ps3 has is caused by SCE themselves. If Sony had launched with say a $400 system and say dropped the price to $300 now they would of walked this generation. Launching a system a year after your main competitor at nearly double the price is twilight zone stuff. Worst decision in SCE's history. Next year software wise looks to be stellar for the ps3, but what if they get absolutely trounced this fall which looks likely?. Many many more exclusives heading to xbox?.

[Smokey]

PS3 will be xbox this gen! this dont piss me off, just stating my opinion

[cliffbo]

PS3 will be xbox this gen! this dont piss me off, just stating my opinion

in all honesty... i think the 360 will be the Dreamcast this generation, i really do

[Viper]

:wtf:

You know, when PS2 came out, it blasted DC sales away instantly. Why then has the PS3 not outsold the X360 in any given month if the X360 is the DC of this gen?

[Zeep]

:wtf:

You know, when PS2 came out, it blasted DC sales away instantly. Why then has the PS3 not outsold the X360 in any given month if the X360 is the DC of this gen?

Maybe he means the Wii is the PS2 of this gen. That makes the PS3, what, the Genesis?

[cliffbo]

:wtf:

You know, when PS2 came out, it blasted DC sales away instantly. Why then has the PS3 not outsold the X360 in any given month if the X360 is the DC of this gen?

different machine, different strategy, same end result. Money can buy you time, but nothing more

sits back and waits for the typical fanboy accusation :)

[Viper]

That so didn't answer my question.

Let's make it more simple. What makes the X360 the DC of this gen?

[cliffbo]

That so didn't answer my question.

Let's make it more simple. What makes the X360 the DC of this gen?

i was just being flippant Viper ;). i am merely saying that i do believe that the 360 will be Microsoft's last console

there is one other factor that could make my conclusions wrong... and to me it's feasible: a merger with EA

[LaLiLuLeLo]

EA would never do that because they stand to make more money as they are now. They're anything but financially in the whole, and they're worth billions of dollars. No way.

[Viper]

Funny he brings up EA since that was one of the major downfalls of the DC. No EA support at all. However, MS has great EA support. Even better now that former MS exec is now an EA exec.

[cliffbo]

Funny he brings up EA since that was one of the major downfalls of the DC. No EA support at all. However, MS has great EA support. Even better now that former MS exec is now an EA exec.

my point exactly. as far as i'm concerned EA could be the fly in the ointment for my speculation. with Sony forming an ever larger single platform community, it could damage EA's reputation (and lets face it, it is already being damaged), especially when they start pushing the envelope in terms of game content (Blu-ray) short term EA have no worries, short term MS have no problems, but in the not too distant future, that extra content will drive the market and encourage devs to strive for bigger, better games (without compromise) 'Compromise' to me is the key word this gen

[Viper]

my point exactly. as far as i'm concerned EA could be the fly in the ointment for my speculation. with Sony forming an ever larger single platform community, it could damage EA's reputation (and lets face it, it is already being damaged), especially when they start pushing the envelope in terms of game content (Blu-ray) short term EA have no worries, short term MS have no problems, but in the not too distant future, that extra content will drive the market and encourage devs to strive for bigger, better games (without compromise) 'Compromise' to me is the key word this gen

Right, and you don't think the $25-30 million dollar recent flops will have any affect on those devs trying to think big? Devs are going to start playing things more safely and that means less pushing for big budget exclusives and more multiplatform games.

And how is Sony's 'single platform community' going to damage EA's reputation?

[cliffbo]

Right, and you don't think the $25-30 million dollar recent flops will have any affect on those devs trying to think big? Devs are going to start playing things more safely and that means less pushing for big budget exclusives and more multiplatform games.

And how is Sony's 'single platform community' going to damage EA's reputation?

Phil has already made a slight swipe at EA, suggesting that Sony's inhouse devs can get 60fps out of the machine. they will damage EA's reputation by producing games that show clearly that EA are deliberately 'compromising' games in order to squeeze them onto a DVD and also to allow them to show a slow improvement on a yearly basis. it will all come out in the wash

[Viper]

Just like they showed us 60 fps on Motorstorm, Resistence, Heavenly Sword, Lair and WarHawk?

Oh wait, they all run at 30 fps.

[Coded-Dude]

fps was sacrificed for number of online players(which is fine by me).....360 has what 16 players at the most? Whereas some of those PS3 titles can have 32-40 players online.

[cliffbo]

Just like they showed us 60 fps on Motorstorm, Resistence, Heavenly Sword, Lair and WarHawk?

Oh wait, they all run at 30 fps.

framerate is not the only issue obviously, but it will be a major issue next year... unless you prefer to ignore the many conversations on this forum and others that site framerate as a major point. EA put out a Madden game at 60fps and then bring one out a year later at 30fps... then have the cheek to pretend this is the first Madden. if that doesn't tell you that somethings afoot, nothing else will. try putting a poll on this site asking posters what they think of EA... what will be the result. there reputation is already damaged because it's clear that for some reason they are pushing the abilities of the 360 over those of the PS3. this is why Sony have grown their inhouse devs, because they think in terms of years, not months.

[Viper]

fps was sacrificed for number of online players(which is fine by me).....360 has what 16 players at the most? Whereas some of those PS3 titles can have 32-40 players online.



Personally 30 is fine with me but since Cliff made it a point that Sony as going to further tarnish EA's reputation by running 60 fps in their games as though EA cannot yet here it is no Sony title, sports aside and we know how that goes, is running at 60 fps.

I'm just sending the ball back in his court, that's all.



EDIT: Cliff, what are you talking about? All Maddens have always ran at 30 fps until Madden 08 on X360. You just made it sound like Madden 07 on PS3 ran at 60 fps and they followed with Madden 08 dropping to 30 fps and that's not what happened.

[cliffbo]

EDIT: Cliff, what are you talking about? All Maddens have always ran at 30 fps until Madden 08 on X360. You just made it sound like Madden 07 on PS3 ran at 60 fps and they followed with Madden 08 dropping to 30 fps and that's not what happened.

ye, i thought i read a review that said it was running at 60fps but i can't find it so perhaps i'm mistaken. but it still stands to me as odd that the 360 version runs at 60fps and the PS3 version runs at 30fps... i still think there has been a deal done here. remember, the 360 could be gone in another 3 years

[Segitz]

There's a big difference between Sonys and EAs 30fps!

Motorstorm for example almost never drops below 30fps (at least I could only seldomly tell that it does) whereas Madden drops frequently (judging from the demo) frames to maintain the game's speed. Imho, games don't need 60fps, if it doesn't drop frames.

I am growing a bit tired by not having games... The stuff that comes for christmas is not exactly want I would give my left leg for. There's so many games missing :( (GTA, MGS, a real GT (not prologue), FF, MK (I like the series), RE ... ... ... This goes out to the 360 as well!

[Viper]

Cliff, you do know that Take 2 had the exact same problem don't you? Their football game ran 30 fps on PS3 and 60 fps on X360.

By the way, the whole 10 year support thing, that only holds true for the console(s) that are doing well after the 5 years are up. If X360 is kicking ass still, it will carry on so it being gone in 3 years is just as likely as the PS3.

[cliffbo]

With Ratchet & Clack Future: Tools of Destruction releasing a mere month from today, news has come regarding its technical specifications.

Straight from Insomniac's Full Moon Show comes captivating information regarding framer