40gb ps3 confirmed

[zero 7]

Sony is launching a new 40GB version of the PlayStation 3 games console for £299 on October 10, and replacing the current starter pack with a 60GB Value Pack at £349, Sony Computer Entertainment UK confirmed today.

There are no big surprises here: there has been plenty of speculation and Keith Stuart had the story on our Gamesblog yesterday.

As Keith noted, the £299 machine has no memory card slot and two USB ports instead of four. Neither is likely to cause any problems. After a chat with Sony, I can add that it doesn't support Super Audio CD (a hi-fi format) either -- which is even less likely to cause any problems.

However, potential buyers should be aware that, in Sony's words, "the new model is also no longer backwards compatible with PlayStation 2 titles." It's not clear how incompatible it might be, but gamers with PS2s should watch out.

SCEE UK boss Ray Maguire admits that "compatibility is a more sensitive issue, but consumers told us that, coming up to Christmas, ensuring we had a low entry [price] was much more important." It was also less important, he said, now there are more native PS3 games.

The UK games trade has been calling for price cuts on the PlayStation 3: it's tough when it costs more than £300 while both the Wii and Xbox 360 can be had for under £200.

The problem is that Sony is losing money on each PS3 it sells. Or as Ray Maguire put it today: "We are in an investment situation still, and will be in an investment situation for some time to come."

But with the new bundles, he says: "I think we'll see a significant uptick in sales."

[OG_Monkey]

dude....

[zero 7]

i think it will certainly boost sales

[OG_Monkey]

i think...ur late

[zero 7]

ijust heard it about 10 mins ago

[OG_Monkey]

but WE heard about it long time ago, look below in the PS3 section lol

[r33hash]

How much is that in American dollars?

[Black Dragon37]

£350 = £700

£300 = $600

Not bad, if you ask me.

But thank God for the price drop.

[archy121]

Some seriously low prices for UK (delivered):

40Gb £279
http://www.shopto.net/page.php?page=dettagli&codart=PS3CO04

60Gb £349 +extra controller
http://www.shopto.net/page.php?page=dettagli&codart=PS3BU00

[archy121]

Sony Computer Entertainment UK Announces
Two New PLAYSTATION®3 Packs for Christmas
Brand New 40GB PS3 at £299

London, 5 October 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment UK (SCEUK) today announced details of two new PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) packs that will be launched on 10th October 2007. The existing PS3 Starter Pack will be replaced by a 60GB value pack at a price of £349. Additionally, a new 40GB entry level PS3 model will be introduced at £299.

Providing a highly attractive entry point to the world of high definition gaming and movies, the new PS3 is designed to bring the next generation of interactive home entertainment to households all across Europe. Along with an expanding line-up of PS3 titles (a total of 65 titles tracking across all genres by Christmas), the new PS3 is equipped with a 40GB HDD and includes all the features central to the High Definition entertainment experience; true next generation gameplay, stunning High Definition Blu-ray Disc™ movies, SIXAXIS™ wireless controller, USB, Wi-Fi and HDMI connectivity, all powered by the Cell Broadband Engine™, the digital heart of PS3.

As with the 60GB PS3, the new PS3 features upgradeable firmware allowing new features and functionality to be added to the system as time progresses. A recent firmware update, for example, enabled PS3 to upscale DVD’s played on the system to full 1080P High Definition.

The introduction of the new PS3 has been determined following user feedback from thousands of existing PS3 owners as well as research into future potential PS3 owners. The new model features two USB 2.0 ports rather than four and no longer includes the multi memory card port – both features that, for those who wish, can be enhanced or provided through the addition of readily available aftermarket accessories.

The new model is also no longer backwards compatible with PlayStation®2 titles, reflecting both the reduced emphasis placed on this feature amongst later purchasers of PS3, as well as the availability of a more extensive line-up of PS3 specific titles (a total of 65 titles across all genres by Christmas).

The existing Starter Pack will be replaced by a new Value Pack featuring a fully functioning 60GB PS3 with extensive backwards compatibility, a SIXAXIS wireless controller and two first party titles which will be offered at a price of £349. The 60GB model represents outstanding value for the keen gamer wishing to upgrade to the High Definition capabilities of PS3.

“As we approach our very first PlayStation Christmas, it is satisfying to be able to offer UK consumers the choice of two PlayStation 3 packages both now representing remarkable value,” commented Ray Maguire, managing director of SCEUK, “We have a brand new 40GB machine that represents an excellent entry point into the world of High Definition games and movies, and we have the fully featured 60GB machine being offered with two next generation gaming experiences at a highly competitive price.”

“The introduction of the new PS3 has been the result of extensive research into the entertainment needs and preferences of the next generation of PS3 owners,” said David Reeves, President of SCEE. “It has allowed us to deliver an extremely advanced, yet highly affordable High Definition entertainment system, configured to the needs of the next generation of European PS3 owners. PS3 has always been the device of choice for the discerning gamer and entertainment seeker, and the new PS3 is more than ever the perfect High Definition entertainment system.


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http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=635#more-635


For me its going to be the 60Gb model. I want the Memory card readers & more so the extra USB ports. Also i think the 40Gb no longer supports SACD which might be important to some.

[TrueVCU]

They've basically purposefully created the equivalent of the 360Core in spite of it's massive failure. And it's not as if BC is that big an issue: with software emulation it's not as if they have to stick an EE into every unit.

This makes so little sense its frustrating. I want to get a PS3 but Sony seems determined to fuck up every single opportunity it has to expand the user base significantly.

[lips]

They've basically purposefully created the equivalent of the 360Core in spite of it's massive failure. And it's not as if BC is that big an issue: with software emulation it's not as if they have to stick an EE into every unit.

This makes so little sense its frustrating. I want to get a PS3 but Sony seems determined to fuck up every single opportunity it has to expand the user base significantly.

agreed on bc, many use software emu anyways because of upscaling thanks to rsx. I could add 40gb hd x2 that of xbox 360 prem, and neither has mem cards, etc. lol.

[BruceWayneIII]

They've basically purposefully created the equivalent of the 360Core in spite of it's massive failure. And it's not as if BC is that big an issue: with software emulation it's not as if they have to stick an EE into every unit.

This makes so little sense its frustrating. I want to get a PS3 but Sony seems determined to fuck up every single opportunity it has to expand the user base significantly.

Absolutely not. Don't try to compare a 360 Core that with this model. This PS3 only prevents you from playing PS2 titles. The rest of the experience is EXACTLY the same as the 60 GB version. That is NOT the case between a 360 Core and a 360 Premium.

[archy121]

They've basically purposefully created the equivalent of the 360Core in spite of it's massive failure. And it's not as if BC is that big an issue: with software emulation it's not as if they have to stick an EE into every unit.

This makes so little sense its frustrating. I want to get a PS3 but Sony seems determined to fuck up every single opportunity it has to expand the user base significantly.


I can't believe all the moaners across the internet.. pathetic. Absolutely no pleasing some people . They want it all for free. Anyhow someone posted to such a moaner which summed up my thoughts on such behaviour:

Last week you were crying to your mums, that PS3 was too expensive, now you come crying to us, that Sony listened, and game you a cheaper PS3, but you wanted BC.

If you want BC, pay the extra £50, and get card reader, extra 20GB and 2 games.

If you don’t pay the £299 and STFU..

Best thing about the 40Gb's introduction is the knockon effect on the 60Gb which suits me fine.

[Jay Gee]

Absolutely not. Don't try to compare a 360 Core that with this model. This PS3 only prevents you from playing PS2 titles. The rest of the experience is EXACTLY the same as the 60 GB version. That is NOT the case between a 360 Core and a 360 Premium.
Also noteworthy is that any PS3 model actually lets you PLAY games without having the nagging thoughts of a warranty in the back of your head.

[TrueVCU]

Also noteworthy is that any PS3 model actually lets you PLAY games without having the nagging thoughts of a warranty in the back of your head.

Which is probably the biggest reason I haven't gotten a 360 yet.

[archy121]

Absolutely not. Don't try to compare a 360 Core that with this model. This PS3 only prevents you from playing PS2 titles. The rest of the experience is EXACTLY the same as the 60 GB version. That is NOT the case between a 360 Core and a 360 Premium.


YES people listen up to the man & stop spreading FUD !

There has been enough Sony bashing for too long.

The 40Gb is NOT A TARD PACK unlike the disfunctional XBOX360 Core

[VG Aficionado]

They've basically purposefully created the equivalent of the 360Core in spite of it's massive failure.Wow, that's harsh. The core 360 is fundamentally crippled compared to the new PS3 model.

How much is that in American dollars?That doesn't matter. European prices mean nothing for American pricing.

[wotter]

Good news, people want a cheaper PS3, they got it, and Sony has to cut costs somewhere (no PS2 BC). But imo the Starter Pack is an even better buy: A PS3 + 2 games + 2 controllers for 499.

[pari]

No matter what Sony does, it is always going to be at fault. Now 40Gb w/o BC is going to be sticking problem and would be used as the club to pound Sony.

The Sony Management needs to clean up their act, compared to 360 (hardware) PS3 is a gem but still its Sony that is getting the stick. Something needs to change.

1. 360 hardware is piece of junk (RROD) and yet people think its great. I have not seen a big stick being given to MS for RROD like Sony is getting even with a better hardware.

2. 360 is in its second year, PS3 is in its first year. Last year I do not think 360 had any Wow games (Gears of War, good FPS and buggy). PS3 is getting a variety of games with better graphics, IMHO in its first year. PS3 1st party games have not fired on all the cylinders.

3. MS Execs seems to know more about Sony's strategy and direction than the Sony's Exec which is a big problem. Is there a espionage going on? MS gets dirty and has no ethics. Sony has to get down and dirty to fight MS, cannot even think about ethics with MS. The stupid statement of Sony does not buy exclusive has to stop.

4. 40Gb PS3 is definitely an awesome machine/hardware for its price. Blu-ray,HDMI,Wi-Fi for non gamers is a huge steal and for gamers its definitely a nice price point. Nothing there to complain about the price or the features. Yet the missing BC is becoming the cribbing point. Compared to 360 premium/Elite, 40Gb PS3 is a huge freaking steal. Just add WiFi($100) and rechargeable battery pack to 360 premium/Elite see where its ends up at. Add HD-DVD for movie watching, PS3 is a steal at this price point. And remember premium/elite has HDMI 1.2 not 1.3 and technology progresses not regresses, so PS3 with HDMI 1.3 is a big deal for just watching Hi-Def movies, all 2007 HDTVs having HDMI 1.3 as standard now.

It can go on and on, Sony is definitely getting aggressive with its price point but it does no good when MS Exec places a bet about Sony's Plan four months in advance. The surprise element is lost period, end of the story.

This price point for PS3 is really sweet for all the budget minded consumers and once again Sony needs to stop dilly dallying and get focused, push the message that PS3 is an awesome deal/steal for the price.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

don't want to come in here to start anything pari.... let's just say I strongly disagree with a lot of your opinions. 360 is a great machine and has had plenty to offer even before Gears.

Anyways, I don't know too much about the PS3... I think 2 USB ports would be good enough for me... and if this carries over to the states, I will definitely consider purchasing a PS3, after I get a real job.

edit: Wait... that converts to $600 USD? n/m...

[VG Aficionado]

No matter what Sony does, it is always going to be at fault. Now 40Gb w/o BC is going to be sticking problem and would be used as the club to pound Sony.Indeed. Sony seems to be unable to please the press and the haters :shrug:

It's funny how all of a sudden, PS2 BC is PS3's most important feature. Yeah, right... I guess nobody wants to play PS3 games and enjoy all the other features for 200 € less than yesterday :shrug:

edit: Wait... that converts to $600 USD? n/m...Why do people believe European prices convert to US prices??? Since when has that been true? How much sense does that mean if it goes beyond the launch price? Don't you think there has to be something wrong with the reasoning: "OMG Sony is going to release a reduced set feature system even more expensive than before!"?

[TrueVCU]

Indeed. Sony seems to be unable to please the press and the haters :shrug:

It's funny how all of a sudden, PS2 BC is PS3's most important feature. Yeah, right... I guess nobody wants to play PS3 games and enjoy all the other features for 200 € less than yesterday :shrug:


I'm not trying to be a hater, but if I can't use my PS2 library I might as well get a 360. Being able to play my old games is important to me.

[SleazyBig slim]

lol I knew some people would get there panties in a bunch because of no BC and even going as far as compairing it to the 360 core. Fact is this PS3 still has a HDD so this is still no tard pack. Also the 60gb is being recuced in price as well so pick that one up if you want BC, or just keep your PS2 and STFU.

[cliffbo]

apart from BC, this is a good move... it is also an indication that Sony are going to promote the PS2 heavily in the near future

[Viper]

Let's not turn this into a X360 vs PS3 battle or a US price vs Euro price battle.

We all know the Euro prices are jacked way up even if you take VAT into consideration. This move here seems more as a means to get the Euro pricing more in line with US pricing than an across the board price cut for all territories.



As for the fact this damn model even exists...%#@&#*%#@ How the hell did an MS exec know this?



EDIT:
Cliff, damn good point. I didn't even think of that fact. Sony did state they planned ot continue some heavy emphasis on PS2 and what better way to ensure good money making PS2 sales than to limit the BC of the PS3? PS3 was starting to cut into PS2 hardware market and that's a money losing move. Taking the BC out of the 40 GB model which could be the biggest selling model this holiday now looks like a damn slick savvy financial business move.

[VG Aficionado]

I'm not trying to be a hater, but if I can't use my PS2 library I might as well get a 360. Being able to play my old games is important to me.Not that I'm talking about you particularly, please don't get me wrong. You still have the opportunity to get a starter pack cheaper than before if PS2 BC is that important to you. Wouldn't you have to spend 100+ € for two games, another controller and a bigger HDD anyway? More like 170 €, actually.

[tolkyn]

Doesn't any PS2 game work or is it only a part of the PS2 library that doesn't work because of the software emulation. I guess the 40GB model will have the same BC capabilities as the 80 GB model (which also lacks the EE) or am I missing something?

edit: I don't care about BC, it's just out of curiosity

[VG Aficionado]

PS2 has never been emulated through software, and that's what most people seem to ignore when they complain about this. There wouldn't be any problems or speculation to begin with if that was true. PS2 is hard to emulate through software only, and the European systems still had the PS2 graphics chip inside.

[section]

Now we get the long craved price cut and all you people do is whine? Jeesh, get your act together.

And there's still the option; pay the price, get the better pack. Those who don't want PS3 don't buy 1.

Kthxbye :)

EDIT: you can get a spanking brand new PS2 + tard PS3 under the price of basic 60GB PS3. Now how's that for a deal?

[VideoGame mania]

They've basically purposefully created the equivalent of the 360Core in spite of it's massive failure. And it's not as if BC is that big an issue: with software emulation it's not as if they have to stick an EE into every unit.

This makes so little sense its frustrating. I want to get a PS3 but Sony seems determined to fuck up every single opportunity it has to expand the user base significantly.

360 Core ? heck no. the 40 gb has HDD, hdmi port, wifi=$100 price.
I can't believe people complain about BC, you wanna play PS2 games pay more.
There is a choice, not as retarded as MS offers.

[frosty]

Did any of you stop to consider the 360 core doesn't offer BC either? And in order to upgrade it, you have to shell out big bucks on their overpriced HDD? Not to mention the bad effect no HDD has on it's current gen games.

This model is for the person who needs to pinch a few pennies and already has or doesn't care about playing a PS2. It's perfect for them. HDMI, Wifi, next gen game/movie media format, and a HDD... buy all 4 (well, more like 3 considering you get half out of the next gen media, movies only, and half the HDD space) of those things for a 360 and see how much it costs you. For those who want all their Playstation gaming in one box, drop the extra $100. Otherwise leave the PS2 hooked up and STFU.

[user friendly]

Maybe the 60GB in NA won't be affected by this because it's already $499, btu I could see them doing the 40GB here for $399.

It would be crazy if NA pricing ended up like this:

40GB $349
60GB $449

That would be just truly amazing.

[VG Aficionado]

More like:

80 GB - $499
40 GB - $399


The 60 GB SKU is going to be phased out.

[frosty]

well... they do still have some of those 60's in stock. So what I see happening is...

80GB + Game bundle & maybe controller = $599
60GB= $499
40GB = $399

[user friendly]

More like:

80 GB - $499
40 GB - $399

:doh:

I still see the odd 60GB here and there though, so let me try that again:

40GB $349
60GB $449 (until it's gone)
80GB $499

[Fillibuster]

^That right there could be huge...huge

[VideoGame mania]

NA price drop right before MGS4 ?

[Nameless]

Sony just can't seem to get their moves completely correct...
The pricing drop is a great move and can definately drive hardware sales, but Sony has provided MS with enough amunition to create FUD that could impact potential sales. The lack of BC will be more of a gripe and amunition to downplay the new SKU more than impacting actual gamers. Also, this move is going against all previous Sony moves regarding supporting previous hardware.

I'm not sure what is exactly impacting the decision not to support BC with the new sku, but I can already see the Gamestop employees spreading the FUD to customers... If Sony would have included BC this entire issue would not have any impact.

[frosty]

A $359 PS3 would even spell major competition for the Wii as soon as a couple more heavy hitting games release for it (such as uncharted, R&C, folklore, UT3, GT5, etc.). All the games due by Christmas.

Sony just can't seem to get their moves completely correct...
The pricing drop is a great move and can definately drive hardware sales, but Sony has provided MS with enough amunition to create FUD that could impact potential sales. The lack of BC will be more of a gripe and amunition to downplay the new SKU more than impacting actual gamers. Also, this move is going against all previous Sony moves regarding supporting previous hardware.

How can they spread that as fud when their core unit doesn't offer BC either?

[Nameless]

^ It does with an HDD.
AFAIK you can't make the 40GB model support BC.

[False_Messiah]

Aside from no bc, do we have any new technology inside? You know, 65 nm cell for less power consume, better wifi or better bluetooth? If not, i think i will get the 60gb model, but this 40gb ps3 is a good move.

[frosty]

You have to pay the same difference between the 40 and 60GB model to enable a 360 to have BC.

[Nameless]

But at least you have the option and it does not require you purchase an entire new unit. Personally I don't see lack of BC as a big deal, but trust me when consumers go to buy the PS3 gamestop employees will make it sound like life & death...

[section]

Hmm, they do remove the b/w compatibility (http://ie.playstation.com/ps3/news/articles/detail/item80773/Entertainment-like-you%E2%80%99ve-never-seen-before/) altogether :(

In the UK and Ireland, a Value Pack consisting of a 60GB PS3 with extensive backwards compatibility and two first party titles will be on sale at a price of €499 (£349). Remaining on sale while stocks last, the 60GB model represents outstanding value for the keen gamer wishing to upgrade to the High Definition capabilities of PS3. Once stocks are exhausted the new 40GB model will be the only one available in the SCEE territories.

I really did hope they leave that opportunity for them who want the upscaled PS2 experience...

[Rockmond]

^That right there could be huge...huge

If they market it properly...;-]

[user friendly]

But at least you have the option and it does not require you purchase an entire new unit. Personally I don't see lack of BC as a big deal, but trust me when consumers go to buy the PS3 gamestop employees will make it sound like life & death...

But you have the option as well with the PS3, just not after you buy the console. Then if you want wifi for 360..... well, you know. Either way, I think this was a smart move to push more consoles.

[VideoGame mania]

What if Sony offers PS1 and PS2 downloadable games will they work with no EE ?

[section]

Aside from no bc, do we have any new technology inside? You know, 65 nm cell for less power consume, better wifi or better bluetooth? If not, i think i will get the 60gb model, but this 40gb ps3 is a good move.

They may talk about this at B3D but I don't have a clue. I'd hope for 65nm Cell though.

What if Sony offers PS1 and PS2 downloadable games will they work with no EE ?No they won't. And there haven't been any DL PS2 games.

[user friendly]

What if Sony offers PS1 and PS2 downloadable games will they work with no EE ?

They'd have to be optimized to play on the PS3. It would be more like a remake of the game. PS1 games should still work fine with the new 40GB, it never mentioned no PS1 support in the official press release.

[VG Aficionado]

PS1 games will always work. Unless they develop a 100% software emulator for PS2, these won't work.

[cliffbo]

i find it amusing that some people are complaining about the 40BG version. i didn't like the idea of 2 SKUs myself when it was first announced, but, hey, i accept it now. this can only do one thing for Sony: sell sell sell cell!

[section]

Is PS1 emulation really software only?

[frosty]

PS1 games will always work. Unless they develop a 100% software emulator for PS2, these won't work.

I actually see this happening eventually. A limited software emu for ps2 games, but it would be able to do things like better upscaling. it just wouldn't be as compatible.

[section]

Did you all actually miss this?

Once stocks are exhausted the new 40GB model will be the only one available in the SCEE territories.

The B/W compatibility seems to get ditched out altogether and I am cry :(

[Nameless]

I'm telling you the media is going to create a shit storm around lack of BC with the new PS3 sku and if you think otherwise you are being naive...
Also, why are we comparing the 40GB model to the 360 core, because based on price point the 40GB PS3 will go head to head with the 360 Premium and the Premium does support BC.

Once again I could care leass about BC, but this issue will be run into the ground it's a fact not opinion...

[section]

But no B/W compatibility means they will continue to sell PS2 and strengthen their strategy on that side, just because it still sells like mad.

It's like, why offer PS2 inside PS3 while PS2 is selling more than PS3 anyway :P

[frosty]

First off, wait until you see how the pricing will be over here before making those judgments. Second, we're going into the holiday season. Parents are going to buy their kids game systems, and they don't read IGN or gamespot. They just look at price tags. Sure, there will be some FUD spread by certain stores (gamestop, etc), which will hurt sales, but that will also be helped by people looking to snag a $400 BD player for their HDTV's that happens to have a shitload of extra features. It is a great move by sony, and all the negative media spin in the world can't crush it. It WILL boost sales greatly.


Also, the announcement that EU will only get the 40GB model further strengthens my faith that they are planning a fully software emulator for the PS3 at some point in the future.

[cliffbo]

I'm telling you the media is going to create a shit storm around lack of BC with the new PS3 sku and if you think otherwise you are being naive...
Also, why are we comparing the 40GB model to the 360 core, because based on price point the 40GB PS3 will go head to head with the 360 Premium and the Premium does support BC.

Once again I could care leass about BC, but this issue will be run into the ground it's a fact not opinion...

i do agree with you Nameless... without a doubt naysayers will be posting LOLs all over the net as we speak, but i reckon their joy will be bitter sweet, because when sales spike, Sony will have the last laugh.

[Goki]

I'm telling you the media is going to create a shit storm around lack of BC with the new PS3 sku and if you think otherwise you are being naive...
Also, why are we comparing the 40GB model to the 360 core, because based on price point the 40GB PS3 will go head to head with the 360 Premium and the Premium does support BC.

Once again I could care leass about BC, but this issue will be run into the ground it's a fact not opinion...

Im with nameless with this one. I love Sony to the bone but damn I mean with the core 360 u can atleast upgrade to the system you want, In my eyes this actually makes the 40GB one worse than the core version of 360. And the media WILL PICK THIS UP LIKE CANDY ON THE PAVEMENT. Why couldnt they just take away the WIFI instead, I mean sounds like theres more money to be saved there than software, its not like the EU ps3 had a EE engine inside.

I just hope they dont make another announcent saying that u cant even play PS2 games from PSN.

[OG_Monkey]

Downloadable PS2 games would be awesome just as theres a way to prove we have the PS2 games so we wont have to buy them over.

[flipflop]

Im with nameless with this one. I love Sony to the bone but damn I mean with the core 360 u can atleast upgrade to the system you want, In my eyes this actually makes the 40GB one worse than the core version of 360. And the media WILL PICK THIS UP LIKE CANDY ON THE PAVEMENT. Why couldnt they just take away the WIFI instead, I mean sounds like theres more money to be saved there than software, its not like the EU ps3 had a EE engine inside.

I just hope they dont make another announcent saying that u cant even play PS2 games from PSN.
What garbage. The 40gb ps3 has everything but BC. When making your purchase surely that would of already entered your mind.

[VG Aficionado]

I mean sounds like theres more money to be saved there than software, its not like the EU ps3 had a EE engine inside.

This is where most people are wrong when they think there was no reason to get rid of PS2 BC. European PS3s still have the PS2 graphics chip, they're just missing the CPU and the PS2 main RAM.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

Sorry for mistaking the currency conversion. If this model will be going for under $400, it will only be a matter of time before I purchase it. I've always wanted to play warhawk and heavenly sword.

[bilbobob007]

I'm not trying to be a hater, but if I can't use my PS2 library I might as well get a 360. Being able to play my old games is important to me.

Been able to play your back catologue of ps2 games is important to you. So you guess getting a 360 will sort that out. Anyone see the problem with his statement. And no I have not read it wrong.

Hate to point out that a 360 is going to play 0% of your ps2 back cat!

[GTAce]

I hope my PS3 never gets broken.
Dont want 2 USBs and no BC.

[cliffbo]

expect to see a Blu-ray disk this xmas with a stack of PSN games on them... reduced HD while PSN games increase, means more games in less space

as far as BC is concerned, expect an emulator in a year or so. Sony won't want to cut out the potential for downloading PS2 games

[TrueVCU]

Been able to play your back catologue of ps2 games is important to you. So you guess getting a 360 will sort that out. Anyone see the problem with his statement. And no I have not read it wrong.

Hate to point out that a 360 is going to play 0% of your ps2 back cat!

I KNOW. That's why I said I might as well get a 360 if the PS3 isn't gonna be able to play them. The only things stopping my purchase were BC and the plague of the red death. All other things being equal, I find the 360's library slightly more tempting ATM, however if I could play my PS2 games AND PS3 titles then hell yeah I'd get one. All I'm saying is it would've been nice to be able to do that at $100 cheaper, 20 fewer gigs, and 2 less USB ports.

[OG_Monkey]

oh yeah, not to mention these 40GB models and maybe all from now all are being made with cheaper parts >_>

[flipflop]

I KNOW. That's why I said I might as well get a 360 if the PS3 isn't gonna be able to play them. The only things stopping my purchase were BC and the plague of the red death. All other things being equal, I find the 360's library slightly more tempting ATM, however if I could play my PS2 games AND PS3 titles then hell yeah I'd get one. All I'm saying is it would've been nice to be able to do that at $100 cheaper, 20 fewer gigs, and 2 less USB ports.
Well of course the 360's is more tempting at the mo it's been out 2 years. But for how long?.

[AC!D]

I wonder why no one is focusing on the 60 gig, PS3 i mean that deal sounds great! If you add the extra price of an extra controller plus 2 games to the new 40gig sku it probably comes out more expensive than the 60gig deal. Top that off with the extras like 20 gig HD space, BC and the reader/usb ports i think its a great deal.

This is probably what Sony are hoping informed ppl like us will pick up on and opt for while the not so informed mothers will opt for the 40 gig sku for the cheaper price point. I only see this as a win win for Sony.

The only problem i am finding with this deal is that Sony really should have included Dualshock 3 with these new price cut models. I feel they definitley dropped the ball on that one. Some ppl might just hold off on getting a new PS3 just for this simple reason judging from responses from ppl around the net.

[PSXBatou]

^ waiting till spring would have been a bad idea. DS3 is Spring 08 for US/EU. I am sure they wanted to do this in order to have some influence over the holidays.

Having a core and then charging more for accessories to make it more expensive than buying the top SKU is something that M$ does also. Accessories are big money, its just nice that Sony doesnt Nickle and dime them like M$ does with the Xbox.

[gnznroses]

no BC makes no sense if they have an emulated solution already out...

[Viper]

Gnz, the software emulation we're all familiar is not 100% software. It's still a mix of some PS2 hardware in there. This new model won't have ANY of the PS2 hardware at all so the current software solution that is dependent on still using some PS2 hardware won't be a viable solution.

[NeoPlayStation]

65nm?

http://users.telenet.be/coasterland/ps34060.JPG

[VG Aficionado]

I wonder why no one is focusing on the 60 gig, PS3 i mean that deal sounds great! Because we gotta complain about everything :shrug:

The only problem i am finding with this deal is that Sony really should have included Dualshock 3 with these new price cut models. I feel they definitley dropped the ball on that one. Some ppl might just hold off on getting a new PS3 just for this simple reason judging from responses from ppl around the net.Agreed, but that's how it is. I bet that they'd prefer to force some people a bit to buy the controllers next spring, and then they'll include them in the box from then on. I think that there will be a bundle in Japan with DS3 in November BTW.

[TrueVCU]

I'll snap up a 60gb as soon as i have the scratch, I'm just worried about having said scratch in time.

[Domination]

I feel this was a great move for the lower level user; they don't really care about all that stuff. Me Personally, though, I absolutely love the fact that my PS3 supports backwards compatibility (it's used all the time) and every single other feature included in the console that's taken for granted, as well. But this is not about the hardcore user like myself, which I understand. Therefore, i have to applaud this move -- especially since Christmas is coming up.

[Fats]

FUCKING HELL!

Ye ha, good times, etc.

[Diresu]

Nothing wrong with this if you ask me. Gives you the core that people bitched about. You can't have everything. Hardcores will pick up the 60/80 gigs, this is for entry level people who are on the fence. And considering most of those people have a ps2, I wonder how much they will care about lack of BC.

[julps31]

I KNOW. That's why I said I might as well get a 360 if the PS3 isn't gonna be able to play them. The only things stopping my purchase were BC and the plague of the red death. All other things being equal, I find the 360's library slightly more tempting ATM, however if I could play my PS2 games AND PS3 titles then hell yeah I'd get one. All I'm saying is it would've been nice to be able to do that at $100 cheaper, 20 fewer gigs, and 2 less USB ports.Lol your sounding a lil mellow dramatic man. Its not like the its the only PS3 model out there right now. The same one thats been out since PS3's launch is STILL out. So if the $600 price tag didn't make you change your mind initially and cause you to get a 360 then I don't know why a less expensive model that your aren't required to get will stop you.

[Viper]

The lack of BC is a bummer but certainly not a factor that will result in failure. Given that Sony has a huge audience that still has their PS2, removal from the PS3 isn't as big of a deal as it sounds.

[Coded-Dude]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony continues research/development into 100% S/W emulation, although some believe they will eventually just incorporate the GS in the RSX.....(rather than have two chips). If they do accomplish 100% S/W emulation all of these "cores" would immediately be B/C via a firmware update. :thumbl:

[Hisham]

Whoops, EDIT:

I think this is a pretty stupid move, because I have always been against multiple SKU's.

[SleazyBig slim]

But at least you have the option and it does not require you purchase an entire new unit. Personally I don't see lack of BC as a big deal, but trust me when consumers go to buy the PS3 gamestop employees will make it sound like life & death...


You have an option with the PS3 as well its called the 60GB SKU. The 40GB PS3 is still a better deal then the premium 360 no matter which way you slice it. Also only a couple hundred games at best are BC on 360, and its no secret that MS doesn't even bother doing BC updates anymore. Plus you get wifi, and a built in BR drive on all PS3 SKU's.

[SleazyBig slim]

Whoops, EDIT:

I think this is a pretty stupid move, because I have always been against multiple SKU's.

I think I speak for most people here when I say i'm against multiple SKU's when it effects game developement, but since every PS3 comes with a BR drive and a HDD thats not the case. You have no real reason to hate the fact that PS3 has multiple SKU's just get the one YOU want.

[julps31]

I think I speak for most people here when I say i'm against multiple SKU's when it effects game developement, but since every PS3 comes with a BR drive and a HDD thats not the case. You have no real reason to hate the fact that PS3 has multiple SKU's just get the one YOU want.Agreed. :cheers:

[woundingchaney]

I think this is really a strong step by Sony. They have introduced a sku at a reasonable price and managed to keep all the significant aspects of the PS3 within it as well as keep it under valued in comparison to the higher priced sku. I dont personally believe that bc is that much of a deal these days as the generational cycle is well established.


This should generate some sales as the fall moves into the winter and set them up well for a good 2008 showing.

Im not sure why anyone wouldnt consider purchasing this sku or prefer it was never released.

[Sephiroth_VII]

^That post is just asking people to flame you.

Ahem, anyway, I'm just glad I bought the 60GB, but I certainly wouldn't cry all that much about this. Seriously, does anyone in this thread not own a PS2?

[masteratt]

^That post is just asking people to flame you.
Actually I agree with him ¬_¬

They are not sticking to their guns at all and are proving MS right.
MS said you need multiple SKUs to survive and now Sony does exactly that even though they were against it just last E3.

I asked in the other thread but that died now- 60GB will carry on as normal right?

[Sephiroth_VII]

His opinion isnt the problem; it's the way he wrote it.

The 60 GB is out of production now, so I guess EU will get the 80 GB post-christmas.

[masteratt]

Oh great......They better release 80GB by the time Uncharted comes out or they can say bye to another customer (me).

[Sephiroth_VII]

Just buy the 60 GB now:huh:. I fail to see the problem.

[flipflop]

Just been reading some Xbox forums and they are in total meltdown. These far lower priced SKU's are very significant. Outside the hardcore no BC in the 40GB will be largely irrelevent.

[masteratt]

Why do we have two threads on everything?!

1) Can't wait to see how October sales are, lower prices should make it interesting.

2) Just buy the 60 GB now. I fail to see the problem.
I don't want one now lol
I want to come home, hook up the PS3 and enjoy something awesome like Uncharted straight away.

[Junox50]

Price wise, it sounds like a good deal. The bad is the lack of BC, and I want that in my PS3. Looks like I'll have to get the other model. :(

[mario25]

haha Phil and Kaz caught by another lie about Playstation 3's core fundamentals, by nixing BC for PS2 games from this 40Gb model.


SCE just can't stop digging it's own grave LMAO

plus this machine is still 400 bucks!, what a POS.

I love how these console revisions just keep getting worse and worse. SCE has truly imploded internally, management and SCE have absolutely no idea what they're doing, AT ALL.

First of all, were you ever have bought a PS3!? even at $99.99, I don't think so.

This is insane, people were all crazy because the ps3 was too expensive, some people and the media actually wanted a slimed down ps3 for cheaper, so sony listened to them and went ahead an did it, but SURPRISE!!!, everybody just needs a reason to spread hate and FUD and when price isn't that reason, anything will, even something as silly losing BC IN ONLY ONE OF THE SKU's AVAILABLE.

So let's see what's the media position on this matter, and keep in mind that the competition's BC is crap, and sony offers a PS3 model that's virtually 100% BC.

[karibu]

First of all, were you ever have bought a PS3!? even at $99.99, I don't think so.

This is insane, people were all crazy because the ps3 was too expensive, some people and the media actually wanted a slimed down ps3 for cheaper, so sony listened to them and went ahead an did it, but SURPRISE!!!, everybody just needs a reason to spread hate and FUD and when price isn't that reason, anything will, even something as silly losing BC IN ONLY ONE OF THE SKU's AVAILABLE.

So let's see what's the media position on this matter, and keep in mind that the competition's BC is crap, and sony offers a PS3 model that's virtually 100% BC.

That's not all, some still say they should drop BD.
Too bad Sony listens to only the vocal buch. I was very happy about PS3 being what it was, maybe I should have been loud about it.
Damn haters took my boomerang controller away!!

Sony tries too much to please everyone. When you bow one direction, you show ass to other direction.

[flipflop]

That's not all, some still say they should drop BD.
Too bad Sony listens to only the vocal buch. I was very happy about PS3 being what it was, maybe I should have been loud about it.
Damn haters took my boomerang controller away!!

Sony tries too much to please everyone. When you bow one direction, you show ass to other direction.
No. Sony drop price because of poor sales. But anyway it wasnt hard to predict that going in with a $600 ps3 it would be on Sonys mind that they'd have to be very agressive cutting the price. The poor sales I suppose have made it a bigger cut/s than they could afford and hence certain stuff being cut. Still feel when Gran Turismo drops there'l be another cut.

[gibmonster]

This is a good model for the casual gamers. I don't think casual gamers are as anal about BC as the more hardcore gamers, and this model allows them to get a PS3 for cheap that still has all the PS3 gaming and bluray functionality of the higher model. Going into the xmas season, this model makes sense.

If the missing features are dear to you, surely you can save up another US 100 bucks or take a minute or two to set up your PS2 or something...

I don't get what some people are complaining about. The golden rule that you don't get what you don't pay for prevails and people still act all surprised despite how often this occurs in life.

[julps31]

This is insane, people were all crazy because the ps3 was too expensive, some people and the media actually wanted a slimed down ps3 for cheaper, so sony listened to them and went ahead an did it, but SURPRISE!!!, everybody just needs a reason to spread hate and FUD and when price isn't that reason, anything will, even something as silly losing BC IN ONLY ONE OF THE SKU's AVAILABLE.

So let's see what's the media position on this matter, and keep in mind that the competition's BC is crap, and sony offers a PS3 model that's virtually 100% BC.Too true. If they would've left all the features in the console people would complain simply about the fact that theres more then one Sku. Lower the price minus a few non assentials and people complain about the missing features (even though at this early stage of PS3's life cycle common sense tells you sacrifices have to be made to lower the price).

That's not all, some still say they should drop BD.
Too bad Sony listens to only the vocal buch. I was very happy about PS3 being what it was, maybe I should have been loud about it.
Damn haters took my boomerang controller away!!

Sony tries too much to please everyone. When you bow one direction, you show ass to other direction.
You know what they say...majority rules. As a company you have to appeal to the majority and also find the best compromise between two avenues. In this case lower price for those who can't afford the more expensive model= No BC and decreased features. But the customers that consider backwards compatibility an important feature will have to pony up the extra cash for it.

Personally i'd simply keep my PS2 and purchase the $400 model. Don't see what the big deal is. I couldn't see myself paying the extra $200 just to play games on a console I already have that works fine.

[Viper]

While the price may seem ideal to you early adopters, it's not mass market price yet.

A report released a few months ago (trying to look up a link now) showed that a huge percentage of PS2's (Xbox as well) were purchased after it dropped below $200.00. I think for PS3 to hit that mass market casual gamer it will have to hit below $300.00. Ideally $250.00 as we know that the market can absorb well at that price now.

This will be A boost but not THE boost in casual sales.

[gibmonster]

^Ok. Maybe not casual, but it is a good option for people wanting to pinch pennies, and I presume that the majority who will purchase this model will likely already possess a working PS2.

I will likely choose this model as my 2nd PS3.

[Viper]

We also have to consider this is just Europe so far (or has Oz been optioned for the 40 GB model too) and that changes the pricing dynamics even further.

I'm not as versed on European sales and mass market price structure as the US and Japan.


To me, this seems like an attempt to gain the "poorer" (sorry for crude word choice here) hardcore gamers. The same market they've been targeting all along just with a better entry price. The problem with the BC issue is these gamers are just as demanding for BC as the 80 GB model consumers are so they will be missing out on a desired feature (barring possible future software BC fixes).

I don't think the removal of BC was a good idea until they aim for the more casual market.

[flipflop]

While the price may seem ideal to you early adopters, it's not mass market price yet.

A report released a few months ago (trying to look up a link now) showed that a huge percentage of PS2's (Xbox as well) were purchased after it dropped below $200.00. I think for PS3 to hit that mass market casual gamer it will have to hit below $300.00. Ideally $250.00 as we know that the market can absorb well at that price now.

This will be A boost but not THE boost in casual sales.
Yes but Sonys hoped for shelf life with the ps3 is very long, the root of all it's travails upto now. The whole industry seem to think the PS3 and Xbox are in a straight race to casual price. But it's obvious that Sony didnt at the time see it that way. They expected a far longer lifespan and the reason for cramming it with cutting edge technology at a far higher price. Atleast that was the original plan. Be interesting how things pan out now Kuturagis gone.

[julps31]

While the price may seem ideal to you early adopters, it's not mass market price yet.

A report released a few months ago (trying to look up a link now) showed that a huge percentage of PS2's (Xbox as well) were purchased after it dropped below $200.00. I think for PS3 to hit that mass market casual gamer it will have to hit below $300.00. Ideally $250.00 as we know that the market can absorb well at that price now.

This will be A boost but not THE boost in casual sales.Yea each time the price is lowered you open up a larger demographic that wasn't there before. A larger audience/potential customers with each subsequent price drop. And theres a line that allows a much broader range of consumers to purchase the console...if only due to the decreased effect of sticker shock. Like you said $300 would be a realistic line in this case...

I think part of what makes people so reluctant to purchase an expensive product like the PS3 is the fact that its not a neccesity (hence people will buy a $600 phone before they buy a $600 console since many people consider a phone a neccesity...regardless if a less expensive phones is more practical). The casual gamer/consumer wont purchase an unessential product above that line even if the "essential" product has features that are wildly unnecessary.

Just looking at it from a physicological stand point.

[dnpmakkah]

40GB PS3?....pfttt...not going to happen.

[VG Aficionado]

The latest rumor: Japan getting new model CECHG06.

http://www.safety.org.sg/public-cgi/php-cgiwrap/safety/register/searchregister.php?reg_no=cas&&trade_nme=&&page=23

According to this (http://www.comnetslash.com/2007/10/06/160gb-playstation-3-model-coming/), it would be a beefed up system with a 160 GB HDD and more. I don't believe those specs other than possibly a bigger HDD and most likely the DS3 inclusion. Anyway, some of those specs have to be fake (2 HDMI ports, 3 Ethernet ports, 6 USB ports, etc.) I think Japan will get a 40 GB PS3 that's maybe like the current 60 GB or 80 GB models instead of what the European 40 GB model is like, mostly because sales in Japan indicate that the market could use a cheaper PS3 as well.

[Segitz]

We also have to consider this is just Europe so far (or has Oz been optioned for the 40 GB model too) and that changes the pricing dynamics even further.


Yes, Oz gets it on October 11th.

As often, SCEE includes Australia. Possibly because it's PAL country

[Smokey]

Yes, Oz gets it on October 11th.

As often, SCEE includes Australia. Possibly because it's PAL country

were usually included last as well lol

[NickSCFC]

So let me get this straight...for £49 more, you get 2 extra games, a Bigger HDD, Backwards Compatibility, Memory card reader & the 4 USB ports.

Within the space of minutes Sonyhave made their £299 package redundant!

Gonna get the 60GB Value package with the 2 free games when MGS4 comes out.

Need the backwards compatability cause I've got piles of PS1/PS2 classics!

[Fats]

Still got your PS2? Yeah, that plays both PSone games and PStwo. Stop trying to downplay everything that Sony does Nick.

[Domination]

Actually I agree with him ¬_¬

They are not sticking to their guns at all and are proving MS right.
MS said you need multiple SKUs to survive and now Sony does exactly that even though they were against it just last E3.

I asked in the other thread but that died now- 60GB will carry on as normal right?

I don't quite understand this. Yes, there will be two SKUs on the market, but how is this any different from Japan and North America's strategy? You have to understand that because Christmas is coming up, this unit is to target those that originally didn't care for the suped-up version. Not to mention, the lower priced 60GB version, just like Japan and North America, will phase out at some point by the end of the year, leaving one SKU standing (40GB version). After Christmas, we'll likely see another SKU to target those looking for a more advance PS3 once agan, and then the 40GB version will phase out.

Sony's basically using a strategy to ride the waves instead of choosing to anticipate how they'll flow in the market space, which is what Microsoft is doing with the 360. The only down fall to this strategy is after one of the SKUs phases out, those wanting that version (given that they don't react soon enough to the to the current offer ahead of time) have to wait for the next additional wave of SKUs.

The advantage to this strategy is Sony can easily react to the voices of consumers without sacrificing the potential of the platform, as in lower common denominator, to the developer.

[NickSCFC]

Fats, learn to think for yourself.

No don't have my PS2 anymore, so I'll be getting 60GB to play all my old games. My most played game on PS2 was Tekken 2, so go figure ;)

The price of the 40GB seems pointless considering you can now get 2 games and all the extra features with the 60GB now, works out cheaper with the value pack. You'd have to be stupid to get the 40GB pack instead of the 60GB Value Pack.

Suppose the 40GB is good for people who want PS3 just because it's a cheap BD player and won't actually want to bother with games or downloads.

[woundingchaney]

Loose the emotion (name calling condemning statements) guys, its not needed here.

[Fats]

How's it pointless to people who don't want to stretch and pay the extra? It's the perfect price point for them and their STILL getting a hell of a lot for only £299. Perhaps you should learn to think for yourself Nick, I honestly don't believe for a second that you don't have a PS2, but you need to say that for the sake of argument right? You've been a shit stirrer for as long as I can remember even back at CVG.

*Puts Nick on Ignore*

[NickSCFC]

1. I sold my PS2 to get a 360

2. Who in their right mind would buy a PS3 for £299 when they have to spend an extra £50 on one good game? The kids are gonna be happy on Christmas day when they get their PS3 with no games. Seriously the Value Pack is just that, the best value.

[woundingchaney]

1. I sold my PS2 to get a 360

2. Who in their right mind would buy a PS3 for £299 when they have to spend an extra £50 on one good game? The kids are gonna be happy on Christmas day when they get their PS3 with no games. Seriously the Value Pack is just that, the best value.

The skus represent two different purchasing choices, many may not be interested in the packed in game/games. It is not very common that people buy a console without purchasing a game.

I can readily understand why someone would want a lower entry fee for the console and then determine their game of choice.

I can understand where you are coming from but I believe that the 40gig sku is a long term availability while it is completely possible that the "value" pack may simply be a holiday offer (unless Im mistaken).

[Domination]

Fats, learn to think for yourself.

No don't have my PS2 anymore, so I'll be getting 60GB to play all my old games. My most played game on PS2 was Tekken 2, so go figure ;)

The price of the 40GB seems pointless considering you can now get 2 games and all the extra features with the 60GB now, works out cheaper with the value pack. You'd have to be stupid to get the 40GB pack instead of the 60GB Value Pack.

Suppose the 40GB is good for people who want PS3 just because it's a cheap BD player and won't actually want to bother with games or downloads.


All of this still applies even with the toned down SKU. The next-gen experience has remained intact. But like I already explained above, if the consumers purchasing this unit over the 60GB version know this, then likely they never cared for the higher end version from the start.

[NickSCFC]

I'm right in saying the 60GB Value Pack will still play PS1/PS2 games?

And it's only the 40GB version that's had the backwards compatability removed?

[woundingchaney]

I'm right in saying the 60GB Value Pack will still play PS1/PS2 games?

And it's only the 40GB version that's had the backwards compatability removed?

Yes I believe so.

[Domination]

1. I sold my PS2 to get a 360

2. Who in their right mind would buy a PS3 for £299 when they have to spend an extra £50 on one good game? The kids are gonna be happy on Christmas day when they get their PS3 with no games. Seriously the Value Pack is just that, the best value.

I don't understand this either. This is exacly why Sony has a download store for not only small arcade-like titles, but entire games that you would normally find on a Blu-Ray disc. So my question to you is what's stopping those users from taking advantage of this? Their online experience is already free. So what is it that they're losing, exactly?

[LiquidEagle]

I'm glad it was something like BC, and not something PS3-y that would affect game development. Be glad, people. If you don't like it, buy the 60 GB, or the 80 GB, or continue to play your 20/60/80 GB model! $400 is a great deal, and while BC is a bummer to lose, I hope we all know the price wasn't able to go down $200 in less than a year because of lowered production costs... something had to go in order for that price to go down.

[Viper]

Wait a minute, did Sony just confirm that after the 60 GB model phases out in Europe, the 40 GB model will be the only SKU available for PAL?

The 80 GB model (or the now rumored 160 GB model for Japan) had better make it's way to replace the 60 GB model or there are going to be a lot of angry consumers in Europe/PAL.

[masteratt]

That's what I have been asking for two days now Viper.

...or there are going to be a lot of angry consumers in Europe/PAL.
Yes, *puts hand up for being one of those consumers who won't consume a PS3 if that's the case*

[dnpmakkah]

Who cares if they get rid of the other models in Europe and only keep the 40GB? There out there now so whoever wants one should go and get them while they are out. Really seems like people will complain about basically every move Sony makes.

[Jasonps3]

GameDaily BIZ also contacted SCEE spokesman Nick Sharples who told us, "We have made clear on many occasions that our priority is on developing innovative new features and services for PS3 and not on backwards compatibility. The 40GB model no longer contains any elements of the PS2 chip set which powered backwards compatibility in previous models, and is therefore only compatible with PS one titles."

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17683

[Viper]

Who cares if they get rid of the other models in Europe and only keep the 40GB? There out there now so whoever wants one should go and get them while they are out. Really seems like people will complain about basically every move Sony makes.

Because 80% of all consoles sold across a lifetime come from the price point being below the $250.00 (USD) price. At $400.00, you still aren't close and you're getting a tard pack.

Consider they probably only have a few hundred thousand remaining anyway (I base this on current retail sales vs reported shipments) so what of the millions that won't be able to get one?

[satriales]

Because 80% of all consoles sold across a lifetime come from the price point being below the $250.00 (USD) price. At $400.00, you still aren't close and you're getting a tard pack.

Consider they probably only have a few hundred thousand remaining anyway (I base this on current retail sales vs reported shipments) so what of the millions that won't be able to get one?
I think the 60GB model will be replaced with the 80GB one. As HDD's get bigger it becomes cost efficient to switch to a larger HDD and I guess the 80GB HDD's now cost virtually the same as a 60GB HDD which is why they have switched to 80GB in some countries.

[Viper]

I agree they will, or rather should, replace the 60 GB with either the 80 GB or the now rumored 160 GB model from Japan. Leaving PAL with just a 40 GB model for any length of time would be asinine.

[bilbobob007]

Wow! Poor Sony. They really cannot make a right move to some can they. Sat here reading stuff from forums all over the net, I get the feeling they just got accused of shooting Kennedy as well. If I was Sony I really would not care what people thought anymore. Its plain to see no matter what they do they going to be dragged thru the ringer for it.

[Viper]

If I was Sony, I would have left the damn EE inside the 40 GB model and we'd not be having this conversation.

[frosty]

Or they could always release a limited software emulator for the 40GB...

[Nameless]

If I was Sony, I would have left the damn EE inside the 40 GB model and we'd not be having this conversation.

Exactly!!!
:cheers:

[woundingchaney]

Or they could always release a limited software emulator for the 40GB...

Hasnt there been issues emulating software for the PS2 due to its unorthodox architecture, hence for the reason for the continuation of its hardware presence in the PS3 to some extent or another??



Anyways I honestly dont see bc being a big deal as far as consumers go, particularly with the gen well underway (although I never really cared much for bc to begin with). Nor would I consider lack of bc to equate to the 40gig sku being a tard pack.

[dnpmakkah]

If I was Sony, I would have left the damn EE inside the 40 GB model and we'd not be having this conversation.How much money does EE cost anyways? Like how much is Sony saving production costs by not including it?

[Viper]

$10.00 at the absolute most. I'm betting closer to just a few dollars.

[dnpmakkah]

WTF are you serious? Damn I thought maybe it cost around $100 bucks thus by getting rid of it they could lower the price of the PS3 down to $399. If it's only 10ish bucks why would they do that?

Could it be possible that including the EE takes too much effort/time at the manufactoring level and by getting rid of it they save money in a round about way?

[Viper]

The EE and GS were $27.00 bucks back at launch combined.

[VG Aficionado]

It's not the EE what's most expensive inside a PS2, but the GS. The EE had like 10 million transistors while the GS had some 40 million plus the 4 MB of expensive eDRAM. The GS is what's inside the European PS3s. What's emulated on software is the EE.

[user friendly]

Hasnt there been issues emulating software for the PS2 due to its unorthodox architecture, hence for the reason for the continuation of its hardware presence in the PS3 to some extent or another??

It's easier to just use the hardware but if people can get PS2 emulators "running" on pc (which obviously contains no ps2 hardware) then I think Sony, who has access to the official PS2 source engine should be able to at least get some games running. I think it has a lot to do with them having to pay for licensing fees (MS bit the bullet on this one) if they did a total software emu. Not 100% on that one though.

[VG Aficionado]

All the PC PS2 emulators are less than perfect, all of them. The GS is hard to emulate through software as some of its functions are hard to replicate on modern GPUs.

[Nameless]

Now remember when you are talking about $10 bucks it's economy of scale with millions of consoles being manufactured. I just believe keeping the EE and BC was more important than WiFi...
WiFi is a nice to have & BC is a neccessity IMO...

[Viper]

My bad, had it backwards. So out of the $27.00 for both as they were priced at PS3's launch, I'd say they are down to $24.00 total now. If GS is more pricey....$15.00-$18.00 perhaps.

[user friendly]

All the PC PS2 emulators are less than perfect, all of them. The GS is hard to emulate through software as some of its functions are hard to replicate on modern GPUs.

I know, that's why I said "running" but those people don't have access to Sony's official SDK or source code/engine (whatever it's called), so you'd think Sony could at least produce some sort of software emulator for the PS3.


It was probably either they remove the GS as well as the EE and say bye to PS2 BC for now or remove WIFI. Taking the 2 chips (+ the mobo cleanup) probably reduced the cost of manufacturing down more so than just removing the WIFI. It should help move consoles, which should be their main goal right now.

[Red_Eyes]

I'm not trying to be a hater, but if I can't use my PS2 library I might as well get a 360. Being able to play my old games is important to me.

And the 360 can play old PS2 games? (HA!) All the 360 can play is Halo 1 and several other old Xbox titles.

[Red_Eyes]

Fats, learn to think for yourself.

No don't have my PS2 anymore, so I'll be getting 60GB to play all my old games. My most played game on PS2 was Tekken 2, so go figure ;)

The price of the 40GB seems pointless considering you can now get 2 games and all the extra features with the 60GB now, works out cheaper with the value pack. You'd have to be stupid to get the 40GB pack instead of the 60GB Value Pack.

Suppose the 40GB is good for people who want PS3 just because it's a cheap BD player and won't actually want to bother with games or downloads.

The 40gig ain't pointless if you can't afford the 60gig. If you can afford the 60gig, buy it. If you can't afford the 60gig, you have the chioce of buying the 40gig. If you want more features, then you better be ready to pay the price for it. How hard is this to understand?

[frosty]

I'm not trying to be a hater, but if I can't use my PS2 library I might as well get a 360. Being able to play my old games is important to me.

No, you are trying to hate. Think about it man, if you can't use your ps2 library, then buy a 60GB! It's that simple. You act as if Sony has taken every other model of PS3 off the market and only left you with the 40Gb. They are giving the many who don't give a rat's ass about b/c a choice as to whether or not they have to pay for it. They still leave everyone else the option to buy it as well. Most people out there never use b/c, as I often visit friend's houses with a Ps3 and still see their Ps2 sitting pretty in their entertainment centers. Some folks don't even know about b/c, nor do they care if they did. For those people, the 40GB is a godsend. Factor in a inevitable software emulator in the future, and it isn't quite so bad after all. Nobody is forcing the 40GB down anyone's throat, they are just taking a part out of the machine that was pricey so they could afford to make the machine more affordable.


As for Viper's claims about consoles not selling until they hit the $250 mark, this may be true, but 360 has still gone toe to toe with Wii (albeit a head start) at it's current price point, and continues to sell. Wii will beat it, but that's not the point. They are still selling well even at these high price points. They will drop of course, but it's still surprising to see both of the >$300 systems selling as well as they have for their price.

[LiquidEagle]

Like I said, price was holding way more people back than lack of PS2 B/C ever will. Bottom line, this will move units and keep standard everything else in the PS3 that matters.

Also, Sony's already been ragged on about PS2 B/C when they first released the PS3 in Europe, remember? People acted like they had no B/C at all then, I wonder if they'll have the energy to bitch about it again :laugh:

[julps31]

All this means in my case is that i'll have to keep the PS2 hooked up to the tv lol. Worth the $200 savings? Yes imo...

[bilbobob007]

I still hold true to the conviction that no matter what they do there gona get a world of complaints. Tell you if they started to give them away someone would find a way to bloody Sony's nose. Its pathetic.

Sod the b.c i say bring on the next gen games. In england you can pick a second hand ps2 up less than £50. But then all those that are complaining probably still have there ps2. So you still got b.c, and its fool proof not emulated. For those that are complaining about it and dont own a ps2 already. Sod you, you never backed Sony before what you got to complain about.

[AC!D]

As some of my favourite X-box gamer buddies like to say it's all about offering choice. If you guys don't want BC get the 40 gig and if you guys do want BC get the 60gig! Someone explain to me whats the problem?

[Black Dragon37]

The 60GB would be phased out.

[mario25]

and the 80 GIG will replace it, what's the problem?

[VideoGame mania]

Now remember when you are talking about $10 bucks it's economy of scale with millions of consoles being manufactured. I just believe keeping the EE and BC was more important than WiFi...
WiFi is a nice to have & BC is a neccessity IMO...

Sony should have removed wi-fi, which can be easily added later.
I believe wi-fi is slightly more expensive than BC.
They chose more expensive old rumble, why ?
Trolls now have a reason to continue trashing PS3.
But again, Sony has been doing such elementary mistakes, kinda justifies FUD around PS3.

[bilbobob007]

I dont see many people agreeing that taking out wifi is a better idea. Trolls are bashing the PS3 because it makes there day, not because they are on some mystic lord of the rings style odyssey. It may be a 'stupid' mistake to you but i for one would rather have wifi than b.c. I still got a ps2 i would not be losing anything if i purchased a 40gig model.

[VideoGame mania]

I dont see many people agreeing that taking out wifi is a better idea. Trolls are bashing the PS3 because it makes there day, not because they are on some mystic lord of the rings style odyssey. It may be a 'stupid' mistake to you but i for one would rather have wifi than b.c. I still got a ps2 i would not be losing anything if i purchased a 40gig model.

Not always, Sony or any company has to say something like, exp, PS3 will be BC and a year later they remove it. Or even blame MS for not including BC into their system.
If Sony didn't confirm PS3 having BC before the launch, nobody would be stirring s..t up now. For every cause there is a reason.

[bilbobob007]

So a company is not aloud to make a mistake or change its direction. Sony are not the only ones to do stuff like this. Trolls are not trying to do the world a favor. Actually not sure what they trying to do. And they have not removed b.c. Not from any of the sku's they started out with a year ago. This is a new model. You want it. you have to pay more. hell the model i purchased at launch is now cheaper. I suppose i should complain about that.

[VideoGame mania]

Didn't you know once they sell out 60gb/80gb stock only 40gb will be left ?
I don't care about BC, but those (average) people who heard PS3 will be BC will be burned in the end. They were mislead by Sony themselves, what if they try to play their old games and they don't work ? Most of them don't read internet forums nor care about other BS.

[lips]

It's not the EE what's most expensive inside a PS2, but the GS. The EE had like 10 million transistors while the GS had some 40 million plus the 4 MB of expensive eDRAM. The GS is what's inside the European PS3s. What's emulated on software is the EE.

huh? gs in ps3 solo? how? and would emu of ee not be 100% as ee and cell should have identical instruction sets?

[cliffbo]

wow, so much meat from such a little bone

[TrueVCU]

No, you are trying to hate. Think about it man, if you can't use your ps2 library, then buy a 60GB! It's that simple. You act as if Sony has taken every other model of PS3 off the market and only left you with the 40Gb.

I DO want a 60GB. My concern is that I don't think I'll have the money for one before they finish phasing out.

[VG Aficionado]

huh? gs in ps3 solo? how? and would emu of ee not be 100% as ee and cell should have identical instruction sets?Man, this is old news. And no, the software + hardware mixed solution inside European PS3s and 80 GB models is not perfect, although it's very acceptable.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I DO want a 60GB. My concern is that I don't think I'll have the money for one before they finish phasing out.

There's no doubt the 80 GB will replace it in the near future. Or do you really think Sony will only offer an insignificant SKU in EU for the rest of this gen?

[mario25]

Ok...why People Think The 80gb Sku Going Away?....it Will Probably Be Replaced By A 120gb Sku, But The "premuim" Sku Isn't Going Anywhere.....my God People......

[lips]

Man, this is old news. And no, the software + hardware mixed solution inside European PS3s and 80 GB models is not perfect, although it's very acceptable.

I was hoping there was a tech release on how this is accomplished. I can only imagine that compatibility is impeded by the south bridge (obvious link to gs) being too slow at 2.5/2.5 gps versus 3.2 gps mem in ps2. How they overcome the pokey frequency of a southbridge link boggles my mind.

[VideoGame mania]

I've come to conclusion, the 40gb model has 65nm Cell, if you look at official pictures.
New model has less ventilation holes.
Moreover, Sony rep said regarding the 40gb model, it is cheaper to produce than other 2 models.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7030164.stm
Sony is still losing money on each console sold, said Mr Maguire, but would lose less money on the 40GB machine.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3902/2psoexkcd4.jpg

[GTAce]

65nm?

http://users.telenet.be/coasterland/ps34060.JPG

Sorry VideoGame mania. ;)

[VideoGame mania]

Don't be sorry, Sony rep basically gave it away the picture was 1/2 of a puzzle.
It means they still got old stock they need to get rid of (60gb/80gb)
Maybe the whole lack of BC plan was made to push old systems out of stores.
People would want the best version.

[Diresu]

Listening to the new 1up Yours. They are discussing the "rumors" about the 40 gig ps3 and one of them was indeed the Backwards compatibility one. They don't (or didn't) think its at all possible in a million years for Sony not to include BC. Soo I have a feeling its totally getting torn a new whole on next weeks show if there is nothing else announced about it. It does seem like a needless thing to take out and another move from Sony thats along the line of "Oh we got something cool to announce but there is a part of that announcement that sucks, that ruins it" One would hope they do have something in place to mitigate all the negativity that will come along with this. Its just another slip that these so called gaming journalists aka shitty blogs will jump on to further spread Sony hate.

[mario25]

1up and the rest of the gaming "media" would actually found something to bitch about and spread the sony hate even if that SKU would have included BC, a real life living replica of miss universe that give you pleasure, $1,000,000 in cash, two mercedes-benz cars, and your little private island in the middle of the pacific.

it's sad actually, It's not like the old days in gaming, only because the media feels the need to butt kiss the world's largest corporation. I miss those days, and the will never come back :(

[flipflop]

Listening to the new 1up Yours. They are discussing the "rumors" about the 40 gig ps3 and one of them was indeed the Backwards compatibility one. They don't (or didn't) think its at all possible in a million years for Sony not to include BC. Soo I have a feeling its totally getting torn a new whole on next weeks show if there is nothing else announced about it. It does seem like a needless thing to take out and another move from Sony thats along the line of "Oh we got something cool to announce but there is a part of that announcement that sucks, that ruins it" One would hope they do have something in place to mitigate all the negativity that will come along with this. Its just another slip that these so called gaming journalists aka shitty blogs will jump on to further spread Sony hate.
It's irrelevent though. The ONLY thing that will stop the anti PS3 hysteria is good sales. And Sony have got it just right imo. I 100% think over the next year the media are going to be humiliated by the PS3. The BC issue compared to the pricing issue really is irrelevent.

[masteratt]

Wow that 40GB PS3 looks MUCH cleaner/ better.......Hmmm *ponders*

[Diresu]

It's irrelevent though. The ONLY thing that will stop the anti PS3 hysteria is good sales. And Sony have got it just right imo. I 100% think over the next year the media are going to be humiliated by the PS3. The BC issue compared to the pricing issue really is irrelevent.

I agree with you but still, sales are yet to be determined so we can't really comment on that as of yet. I hope you are right and Sony finally gains a foothold they so badly need with the PS3. Price was a main deterrent so far, this SHOULD change that but its yet to be seen if it actually will.

[Smokey]

what exactally do you lose in the 40g model other then a coupla usb ports, B/C and card readers?

[masteratt]

Nothing.

But you lose couple USB ports/ PS2 backwards compatibility and card readers.

Lack of USB ports might get annoying as now most of the peripherals use it.

PS2 B/C-.....Well....lol, no need to comment, that's just a poor choice by Sony.

Card readers- Meh lol dunno why it was there in the first place to be honest with media being able to transfer so easily between PS3 and PC.

[VG Aficionado]

Apparently, it doesn't have support for 7.1 sound or SACD playback. We'll see though, it's really no big deal at all as long as you don't care for PS2 BC.

Card readers- Meh lol dunno why it was there in the first place to be honest with media being able to transfer so easily between PS3 and PC.USB hubs and USB external card readers work directly with PS3 anyway.

[Smokey]

im pretty sure the 40 gigger is $699 in AU

[FLCL]

Apparently, it doesn't have support for 7.1 sound or SACD playback. We'll see though, it's really no big deal at all as long as you don't care for PS2 BC.

USB hubs and USB external card readers work directly with PS3 anyway.

no it still supports PCM and Dolby 7.1 but not DTS 7.1, loosing 7.1 would be against their true HD message

here are the specs again

http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/SpecsPS3.1.jpg

[VG Aficionado]

no it still supports PCM and Dolby 7.1 but not DTS 7.1, loosing 7.1 would be against their true HD messageOh, I see. Thanks.

[Smokey]

i always prefered 5.1 DTS better than Dolby 5.1

[BruceWayneIII]

^yup, it's clearly the best option. Sometimes it's like the visual difference between SD and HD gaming. At least on my rig.

[Smokey]

vice city was always awsome running DTS on me PS2

[VG Aficionado]

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[Sephiroth_VII]

Is it just me or are are the vents still there?

[LiquidEagle]

Is it just me or are are the vents still there?

It's just you :-p. The vents are missing where they were supposed to be missing according to the promo pictures.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Ah, I see it now! I had the screen on very low brightness settings.

[archy121]

There's no doubt the 80 GB will replace it in the near future. Or do you really think Sony will only offer an insignificant SKU in EU for the rest of this gen?

Well its possible that they will but not for quite a while. I reckon we in EU will be stuck with the 40Gig for quite a while as it seems thats the way Sony want to head. This really pisses me off as i want a 60G+ model ASAP. So now i don't know if I should rush & buy the 60G this christmas before its gone altogether or wait & hope they will announce a beefy replacement model.
WTF is Sony playing at ?!. I have no issues with multiple SKU's to suit everyone's needs & budgets. So i wish Sony would bloody stop insisting that after the 60G PS3 is depleted, the basic 40G will be the only SKU. They need to stop Goofing & let it be known what will come out to suite needs of people like me who want more than a bare bones PS3 & prepared to pay for it.

*begins to go off Sony.. :swear:

‘Our offering in the UK market place for Christmas are the two 'sku's announced on Friday, but as the 60GB stock is depleted the £299 40GB SKU will be the only version available going forward.
Todays press: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28476/Sony-explains-decision-to-discontinue-60GB-PS3

[masteratt]

‘Our offering in the UK market place for Christmas are the two 'sku's announced on Friday, but as the 60GB stock is depleted the £299 40GB SKU will be the only version available going forward.
Yeah like we are going to take their word on SKUs ever again ¬_¬


I rather ask Microsoft what Sony's plans are lol

[curryking1]

There looks like there are fewer USB ports on the front, I didn't see what the need was for four of them either lol!

This is definitely the function of Kaz Hirai being instated as the head of Playstation.

[pari]

Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/home_entertainment/games/e3i23389b356d961fd2fe8383b3c7b2f9a3)


Sony to put cheaper PS3 in play
By David Ward

Oct 8, 2007
Sony Computer Entertainment America will unveil a $399 40GB PlayStation 3 on U.S. shores, sources said.

The release comes on the heels of an announcement by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe that a new lower-priced version of the PS3 will be launched on the continent thiscq, week of the 8th week.

"We're hearing Nov. 2 (for the U.S.)," said one industry source. A buyer for a major game retailer cited the same date, adding that SCEA has been dropping hints that stores should do all they can to clear out existing inventory in anticipation of the new model.

The new 40GB PS3 will have fewer features than the current 60GB ($499) and 80GB ($599) models, with two USB 2.0 ports instead of four, no backward compatibility for PS2 games and no multimemory card port.

But it will continue to play Blu-ray Disc movies as the PS3, despite its early struggles against Nintendo's Wii and Microsoft's Xbox 360, remains a key part of Sony's battle with consumer electronics rivals over the future of high-definition movie playback.

SCEA did not return calls seeking comment, but in making the announcement in Europe, SCEE president David Reeves said: "The introduction of the new PS3 has been the result of extensive research into the entertainment needs and preferences of the next generation of PS3 owners. PS3 has always been the device of choice for the discerning gamer and entertainment seeker, and the new PS3 is more than ever the perfect high-definition entertainment system."

[Rockmond]

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FUCK THE CRYBABIES...I'M COPING THIS MUTHAFUCKA

:pinky:*SONY SHUFFLES*:pinky:

[cpiasminc]

huh? gs in ps3 solo? how? and would emu of ee not be 100% as ee and cell should have identical instruction sets?
EE and Cell do NOT have identical instruction sets. EE is MIPS, Cell is PPC. A lot of vector instructions on the VUs don't have counterparts on the SPEs. SPEs have a severe lack of 32-bit integer instructions (plenty of 8, 16, and 64-bit, but not as much support for 32-bit...). SPEs also lack the swizzle operators of the VUs and has shuffles instead.

Either way, the problem with PS2 emulation isn't the support of instructions (as far as that is concerned, you can emulate the EE 100%), but the stuff that results when game developers do stuff that is so dependent on exploiting the peculiarities of the hardware configuration (and that was pretty much business as usual for almost any PS2 game). You can break compatibility in those cases by being too fast just as easily as you can by being too slow, and not being able to predict exactly when to do what... software alone can't do that short of adding a corner case for every game ever made for the PS2.

[saud264]

here in KSA

http://up.eqla3.com/up/get-10-2007-7jlkzjvl.jpg (http://up.eqla3.com/up)


2199 R= 586 $

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Motorstorm and Resistance? Man, people better act like they got some sense.

[Sephiroth_VII]

It's been like that since we got the value pack here. Great deal.

[archy121]

Someone please get an answer for me & others in same position -

Will Sony definitely replace the 60G model with another top end model in EU & if so when is this likely to happen ? Or we really all going to be stuck with a single 40G SKU going forward ?

[Sephiroth_VII]

Sony is keeping quiet, but I really, really doubt EU will be stuck with the 40 GB.

[woundingchaney]

Sony is keeping quiet, but I really, really doubt EU will be stuck with the 40 GB.

Im inclined to agree, I cant see there only being the limited sku available.

[tolkyn]

Of course there will be a full fledged PS3 later on with a 60 GB+ HDD. It makes no sense to replace a 60 GB HDD with a 40 GB one. Technology is supposed to go forward and diversify (eg iPod).

[frosty]

I don't understand why it wouldn't support all of the 60GB's supported audio formats and codecs, as the audio hardware is exactly the same (optical and HDMI) and the codecs are all handled by the Cell. If Sony has already paid the royalties to use the DTS codec in PS3, I see no reason why they wouldn't use it in the 40GB as well.

[FLCL]

Someone please get an answer for me & others in same position -

Will Sony definitely replace the 60G model with another top end model in EU & if so when is this likely to happen ? Or we really all going to be stuck with a single 40G SKU going forward ?

not sure if this helps but check this interview on threespeech

RAY MAGUIRE ON PS3 PRICE CUTS (http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=636#more-636)

This really pisses me off as i want a 60G+ model ASAP.

but it really depends where you are located, if in Europe i think right now the 60GB offer is the best thing to get, you get the two games offer and the best ps3 version, in anyway Sony will not announce any further SKUs/price cuts until at least the new year so why risk by waiting?

while in the US you can wait for the official 40GB announcement maybe Sony will drop the price on the 80GB bundle

[FLCL]

Of course there will be a full fledged PS3 later on with a 60 GB+ HDD. It makes no sense to replace a 60 GB HDD with a 40 GB one. Technology is supposed to go forward and diversify (eg iPod).

i'm thinking since Sony mentioned the ps2 chips are designed and manufactured specifically for the ps3, Sony might be letting go of the productions plants altogether and hence a much bigger element in the cost reduction?

I don't understand why it wouldn't support all of the 60GB's supported audio formats and codecs, as the audio hardware is exactly the same (optical and HDMI) and the codecs are all handled by the Cell. If Sony has already paid the royalties to use the DTS codec in PS3, I see no reason why they wouldn't use it in the 40GB as well.

maybe there is a royalty per each unit, so its adding to each unit cost? just a thought

[flipflop]

Well its possible that they will but not for quite a while. I reckon we in EU will be stuck with the 40Gig for quite a while as it seems thats the way Sony want to head. This really pisses me off as i want a 60G+ model ASAP. So now i don't know if I should rush & buy the 60G this christmas before its gone altogether or wait & hope they will announce a beefy replacement model.
WTF is Sony playing at ?!. I have no issues with multiple SKU's to suit everyone's needs & budgets. So i wish Sony would bloody stop insisting that after the 60G PS3 is depleted, the basic 40G will be the only SKU. They need to stop Goofing & let it be known what will come out to suite needs of people like me who want more than a bare bones PS3 & prepared to pay for it.

*begins to go off Sony.. :swear:


Todays press: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28476/Sony-explains-decision-to-discontinue-60GB-PS3
I'm sorry but the 40gb ps3 is not a bare bones SKU. You can upgrade the HDD in the ps3. I dont see what you're problem is?.

[Domination]

Someone please get an answer for me & others in same position -

Will Sony definitely replace the 60G model with another top end model in EU & if so when is this likely to happen ? Or we really all going to be stuck with a single 40G SKU going forward ?


I would probably say that this SKU is just a comfortable position in which Sony would like to remain with their PlayStation console cost wise, but that doesn't mean smaller alterations won't be made in the future to make the purchase more valuable to the consumer. So no, I don't quite see this as a permanent mark for them.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yay I can delete posts. Woot.

[VG Aficionado]

\(^o^)/

[LiquidEagle]

Awww, I wanted to see the posts before they got deleted.

[VideoGame mania]

Sources close to Hollywood Reporter say that Sony will release the 40GB PS3 in North America on Nov. 2.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=138588
So there you have it, sorry if it's been posted.

[OmniCloud]

hmm...

why is there two threads about the same thing?

why is this thread so long?

Is losing b/c really that big of a deal for people here--(who already have one) or for people who just want a PS3 and still have there PS2's right there in the living room?

:huh: I'm confused?

This is screaming GOOD MOVE SONY to me:shrug:

[Diresu]

hmm...

why is there two threads about the same thing?

why is this thread so long?

Is losing b/c really that big of a deal for people here--(who already have one) or for people who just want a PS3 and still have there PS2's right there in the living room?

:huh: I'm confused?

This is screaming GOOD MOVE SONY to me:shrug:

I agree personally but it seems like something that was taken out for the sake of taking it out, not cutting cost etc. Its just something media will use to tear Sony a new one...I myself am just happy they got a low price ps3 out.

[FLCL]

Sony's Guide To 40GB PS3 Backwards Compatibility

PS one
The PS3 has never been equipped with either the CPU or GPU that were used in the original PlayStation, and the backwards compatibility for PS one titles has therefore been made available through software emulation from the beginning. Therefore backwards compatibility for PS1 titles remains the same no matter how many times the model is changed.

PS2
On the other hand, backwards compatibility for PS2 titles is largely made possible through the use of actual semiconductors, supported by the PS3 system software. The 20GB and 60GB PS3 models launched in Japan and the USA were equipped with both the PS2 Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesiser chips and we could therefore guarantee over 90% backwards compatibility for PS2 titles.

The 60GB model launched in Europe was a new model (shared with the 80GB model launched subsequently in USA) which contains only a modified version of the Graphics Synthesiser chip from the PS2 and not the Emotion Engine chip. The European launch model therefore used a combination of software and the modified version of the PS2 Graphics Synthesiser chip to deliver backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. As a result the percentage of backwards compatible PS2 titles was slightly reduced.

The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone. The sheer numbers of PS2 titles available, together with the increased complexity of using a software only solution for each and every title means that to ensure accurate software emulation for the majority would be technically challenging, time consuming and costly. As we have mentioned on several occasions, our engineering resources are now focused on developing new and innovative features and services for the PS3 and, as a result the 40GB model does not have backwards compatibility with PS2 titles.

The current PS3 system software and future updates will continue to support backwards compatibility for the current 60GB and 80GB models, and publishers can check their new PS2 titles to ensure they play on the 60GB and 80GB models.

Keen gamers, for whom backwards compatibility is important, can still purchase the existing 60GB PS3 Starter Pack which contains an extra SIXAXIS controller, two first party titles and has extensive backwards compatibility with PS2 titles.

kotaku (http://kotaku.com/gaming/customer-service/sony-could-run-bc-on-40gb-ps3s-they-just-dont-want-to-308467.php)

[flipflop]

I agree personally but it seems like something that was taken out for the sake of taking it out, not cutting cost etc. Its just something media will use to tear Sony a new one...I myself am just happy they got a low price ps3 out.
Sounds like spin to me. In the great scheme of things BC is irrelevent other than to a very vocal minority and the bitter and twisted xbox fanboys. I'v surfed xbox fanboy sites and this news has them reeling. I'v never seen meltdowns like it in my life. This pricedrop is absolutely stunning news theres no other way to spin it. Clinging onto the BC issue wont last for long.

[False_Messiah]

Well, its sad to read that Sony will not try to focus in a ps2 emulator, but anyway, now the ps3 will have numerous great titles and we can forget that flaw with less pain. Man, im pissed with sony because of one detail: why not DS3? Japan´s new version will come with it right? Why not? This is unfair.

[VG Aficionado]

I'd say Sony will try to develop a PS2 software emulator anyway, and there's a chance one exists right now only that its quality will be nowhere near acceptable. If they want to provide software emulation, they'll keep researching that possibility. If people keep asking for PS2 BC back, I'd say they'll end up releasing another model anyway when they get the manufacturing costs down and can afford it.

[flipflop]

Well, its sad to read that Sony will not try to focus in a ps2 emulator, but anyway, now the ps3 will have numerous great titles and we can forget that flaw with less pain. Man, im pissed with sony because of one detail: why not DS3? Japan´s new version will come with it right? Why not? This is unfair.
It's not unfair. Sony have millions of Sixaxis they need to get rid of. The problem Sony has is announcing the Dualshock 3 to early.

[Segitz]

It's not unfair. Sony have millions of Sixaxis they need to get rid of. The problem Sony has is announcing the Dualshock 3 to early.

I find it a bit rediculous to announce a freaking pad and then release it in Japan "now" but in Spring next year on our front... I mean, a pad is not something that needs delicate chips and whatnot...

Yes, I understand, Sony needs to get rid of the non rumble Pads (just lower the freaking price, I mean 50€ for a pad is ALSO quite a bit), but that can be done over the next few years, the PS3 is in market!

I was not one to complain about missing rumble, but this pratice of delaying the release is what made me angry.

[Jasonps3]

Hell, with this kind of announcement, it may actually boost PS2 sales. Japan getting the DS3 first is a good move showing that Sony really care about Japan sales. Yeah, it sucks that US and Europe won't see it until next year, but I least Japan can be test subjects on the controller so if anything bad defects on the controller, were not paying the price.

Wow, the white controller looks HOT! I wonder if the US will get the silver 40 Gig PS3.

Do anyone realize that the price of the 40gig PS3 is the same price the PS2 launched in Japan in 2001?

[masteratt]

Yep it's also the same price as the PS2 when it first launched in UK I believe (£300).

They weren't kidding when they said they are going back to the old roots :p

[LiquidEagle]

The 40 GB model still plays PS1 games, right?

[VG Aficionado]

The 40 GB model still plays PS1 games, right?Yes.

[LiquidEagle]

Yes.

Do you know where there's an official statement regarding that, or is it just a resulting inference that PS3 can software emulate PS1 and the press release only stated PS2 specifically?

[VG Aficionado]

Official (http://www.threespeech.com/blog/?p=636):

Q: Is the 40Gb PS3 backwards-compatible with PlayStation One games?

RM: Yes.

[LiquidEagle]

Game Informer (http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200710/N07.1009.1051.30603.htm) ran an article with this:

Much like the European version, the 40GB model will only have 2 USB ports, no backwards compatibility, and no multi-memory card slots.

I e-mailed the author, Billy Berghammer, to clarify that it still plays PS1 games, and recommended that he e-mail Sony for official confirmation either way, and this was his reply:

Yeah, we did. It’s understood that all backwards compatibility is gone.

Soooo.... I'm not sure what to think now...

[LiquidEagle]

Ooh thanks! I e-mailed the link to him :)

[VG Aficionado]

Well, the official word is yes, and we'll know very soon for sure because it'll be out in a couple of days in Europe. After all, they have to support the downloaded PS1 games from the store. However, some people truly believe it won't support PS1 games either.

[LiquidEagle]

I don't see why it wouldn't or couldn't, even. These are the random kinds of things it sucks to have misinformation about floating around, so let's hope the correct info gets out there, whatever it is.

Thanks for that link again VG, he said his Sony rep is in for a call :-p

[solidsnakejej]

I still don't know how people got the idea that all backwards compatibility was gone. That would take away from one of their store items.

FLCL posted it on the last page but here is the explanation.

PS one
The PS3 has never been equipped with either the CPU or GPU that were used in the original PlayStation, and the backwards compatibility for PS one titles has therefore been made available through software emulation from the beginning. Therefore backwards compatibility for PS1 titles remains the same no matter how many times the model is changed.

PS2
On the other hand, backwards compatibility for PS2 titles is largely made possible through the use of actual semiconductors, supported by the PS3 system software. The 20GB and 60GB PS3 models launched in Japan and the USA were equipped with both the PS2 Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesiser chips and we could therefore guarantee over 90% backwards compatibility for PS2 titles.

The 60GB model launched in Europe was a new model (shared with the 80GB model launched subsequently in USA) which contains only a modified version of the Graphics Synthesiser chip from the PS2 and not the Emotion Engine chip. The European launch model therefore used a combination of software and the modified version of the PS2 Graphics Synthesiser chip to deliver backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. As a result the percentage of backwards compatible PS2 titles was slightly reduced.

The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone. The sheer numbers of PS2 titles available, together with the increased complexity of using a software only solution for each and every title means that to ensure accurate software emulation for the majority would be technically challenging, time consuming and costly. As we have mentioned on several occasions, our engineering resources are now focused on developing new and innovative features and services for the PS3 and, as a result the 40GB model does not have backwards compatibility with PS2 titles.

The current PS3 system software and future updates will continue to support backwards compatibility for the current 60GB and 80GB models, and publishers can check their new PS2 titles to ensure they play on the 60GB and 80GB models.

Keen gamers, for whom backwards compatibility is important, can still purchase the existing 60GB PS3 Starter Pack which contains an extra SIXAXIS controller, two first party titles and has extensive backwards compatibility with PS2 titles.

[LiquidEagle]

Thanks for that, snake :)

Much like the European version, the 40GB model will only have 2 USB ports, no PS2 backwards compatibility, and no multi-memory card slots.

He changed the article at Game Informer :-D

[BruceWayneIII]

^ just shows how incredibly bad they are doing their research before posting. All they had to do was reading (and understanding) the official press release. Just look at his response: "It's understood that...." :)

[LiquidEagle]

^ just shows how incredibly bad they are doing their research before posting. All they had to do was reading (and understanding) the official press release. :)

hehe good point, normally I've had good experience with Game Informer doing their research, and at least the two times I've contacted them regarding corrections they've been really good about it. They definitely try a lot harder than most.

Now I need to e-mail Associated Press because they said Insomniac's first game was "Destructor" and not "Disruptor" :laugh:

[VG Aficionado]

Disruptor was really awesome :hugegrin:

[Red_Eyes]

The White PS3 is so sexy that I don't even care about the lack of b/c anymore.

[flipflop]

The Analysts do their take on this today:


Quote:
"Cost is hard to gauge, probably $30 - $50 per unit," Wedbush Morgan Securities' Michael Pachter said. "I thought lack of backward compatibility would hurt the Xbox [360], but it really didn't. My guess is that Sony has addressed the concerns of those who care about backward compatibility with all of the boxes sold to date, and that they will continue to offer the 80GB model if anybody feels that they need backward compatibility. So it's not fatal."



Quote:
"It's about cost reduction, but also getting people to focus on PS3 games. End of the day, they need to do something, and this was probably a compromise between costs and price cuts," UBS analyst Ben Schachter said.



Quote:
That said, backwards compatibility is still a priority for many consumers, according to NPD industry analyst Anita Frazier. "When we surveyed consumers about the video games hardware system features... ...in terms of desired features - nearly 70 percent said that it was an important feature to them whereas 90 percent said that the availability of enticing new games was important."



Quote:
DFC Intelligence's David Cole isn't buying into the backwards compatibility argument, however. "I have always thought backwards compatibility is a bit overrated," he commented. "I think it is more important for a system like the Wii or the Xbox 360. That is because a lot of people NEVER bought a GameCube or an Xbox. With backwards compatibility you can argue that they can get two systems and catch up on the Halo, Zelda, Metroid, Mario titles they never tried. With the PS2 you assume that almost anyone interested in a PS3 already has a PS2. It is a very simple matter to hook two systems up to the TV."



Quote:
Colin Sebastian, an analyst at Lazard Capital Markets, agrees wholeheartedly. "It appears that pricing is becoming more of a priority, which makes sense given where the PS3 is selling in terms of market share. I don't believe removing backwards compatibility is a huge deal, considering that most people who want to play PS2 games will continue to do so on their PS2s," he said.


http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17719

[RzrWire]

PS1 Emulation has been in the PS3 since day one.

When PS2 Emulation is able to run on its own like PS1 software, I'm sure an update will be available for all 40GB PS3's that will allow backwards compatibility. It's just a matter of time.

[VG Aficionado]

I just saw the FIFA 08 bundle advert on TV (439 € on Carrefour, 10 less euros than on the leaked catalog), and I've seen the system available at game.es for 399 € this morning.

[Leedogg]

PS1 Emulation has been in the PS3 since day one.

When PS2 Emulation is able to run on its own like PS1 software, I'm sure an update will be available for all 40GB PS3's that will allow backwards compatibility. It's just a matter of time.

yep, When you play a PS1 game you don't even log out of the Playstation Network. Just the game controller icon goes under your name. It would be cool though to have an automatic name detection, just like with music cds.

[Segitz]

German Amazon is sold out on 40GB PS3s^^ After just one day... Quite an accomplishment^^

[masteratt]

I was in Blockbusters and saw a young couple purchase a PS3.

The 60GB one even though the clerk mentioned the 40GB one, they didn't care for some reason.
They were in it for the Blu-Ray as they said "let's check the Blu-Ray movies and we'll get back to you" before making the purchase.



What does this mean?
They think because it's cheaper it's less powerful?

Well whatever it means it was the first time I saw someone buy a PS3 so it was nice :p

[kaphwan]

The first PS3 purchase I saw was a kid of ten, on his own, paying in cash.

I have never been more tempted to take something from a child and run.

This is really good news. Right now I have my brother's slimline, which I swapped for my big one. B/C means nothing to me, being able to someday play a PS3 that isn't in a store means everything.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The first PS3 purchase I saw was a kid of ten, on his own, paying in cash.

I have never been more tempted to take something from a child and run.

This is really good news. Right now I have my brother's slimline, which I swapped for my big one. B/C means nothing to me, being able to someday play a PS3 that isn't in a store means everything.

That kid's a hustler, props to him.

[kaphwan]

I'm guessing that he has rich-ass parents who aren't attentive to things.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well would they have given him cash to go do it himself then? Weird. I figure they would have been present to pay with some plastic.

[Jay Gee]

The first PS3 purchase I saw was a kid of ten, on his own, paying in cash.

I have never been more tempted to take something from a child and run.
The PS3 or the cash?

[Red_Eyes]

The PS3 or the cash?

Why can't it be both?

[VG Aficionado]

Impressions from NeoGAF on newly purchased 40 GB systems:

I've just gotten my ps3 40gb delivered!

So far its alot quieter than the other Ps3 i had thankfully so im happy!

It doesnt feel quite as solid as the normal ps3 but then it is emptier!

you can still turn the logo. the silver bit is shiny-ish matt kinda paint though

It's not uber silver like the other ps3

finsihed updating the software and my PS3 is STILL SILENT! happy happy happy!

This one IS silent. The fan hasnt notched up even while gaming yet and the air is only slightly warm from the fans instead of pretty hot.Not that the first model was noisy anyway =-o

[LiquidEagle]

Wow, that's saying A LOT if this one runs quieter, but then again I wasn't expecting it to get any louder :-p

[masteratt]

So far its alot quieter than the other Ps3 i had thankfully so im happy!
Unless he was playing his other PS3 with his ear up against it, using a stethoscope, I don't see how the new one is "a lot quieter".

[Leedogg]

Impressions from NeoGAF on newly purchased 40 GB systems:

Not that the first model was noisy anyway =-o

the only time the fan gets noisey is while I'm Folding@Home and I have my TV on at the same time, When I'm not using my tv and its off, the PS3 stays on medium speed while folding.

I'm trying to think of the fan speeds

1. No fan at all at start
2. After a minute the fan cuts on low
3. 5-10 minutes it switches to medium speeds (thats where it stays most of the time)
4. Then theres high speed.

By the way, has anybody gutted a 40GB system yet?? So we can see whats different?

[Segitz]

the only time the fan gets noisey is while I'm Folding@Home and I have my TV on at the same time, When I'm not using my tv and its off, the PS3 stays on medium speed while folding.

I'm trying to think of the fan speeds

1. No fan at all at start
2. After a minute the fan cuts on low
3. 5-10 minutes it switches to medium speeds (thats where it stays most of the time)
4. Then theres high speed.

By the way, has anybody gutted a 40GB system yet?? So we can see whats different?

Since one of the last updates, my PS3 also runs quieter (i.e. more of number 2 here, very seldomly on 3).

I also want to see a gutted PS3 40GB... I love watching mainboards :D