PC + PS3 = love

[cliffbo]

PC + PS3 = love
Published by Moony - 1/02/2008 12:47:00 AM

Remember the post in which I told you about the possibility of playing PC games on the PS3 sometime in the future?

The guys over at StreamMyGame finally managed (a few weeks ago) to put together the system that would facilitate doing just that.

If you've got a PS3 with Linux installed (any type of Linux - Yellow Dog Linux, Ubuntu etc) you can get this up and running. More explanations in a thread on the StreamMyGame forum here. (and here for a tutorial on how to install Linux on the PS3)

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm planning on doing it soon enough. I've downloaded a free (legit) copy of Yellow Dog Linux and have started backing up the data on my PS3's hard drive (you need to create a special partition to install Linux => you've got to format the entire drive).

This seems to me a win-win(-win) situation for the guys at Sony, for Linux as an OS, and for all the PS3 owners, because being able to play the games you've got for PC on the PS3, taking full advantage of the HDTV you probably have, will definitely make any PC owner happy and, thus, boost sales and create the much-needed buzz for Linux.
Perhaps this could be considered as a blow to the Xbox, who's custom made operating system by Microsoft isn't open-source, thus destroying hopes of Homebrew-lovers.

What else can I say about this breakthrough other than I hope we'll get to see (more) Homebrew on the PS3?

Omg, I wonder how Microsoft feels knowing that PS3 owners all around the world are able to play their so-bitterly-kept-off-the-PS3 games like Bioshock, Gears of War or even Halo. Zomg, playing a Halo game on a Sony console!
Maybe we'll even get to see something like this sometime in the future:Blasphemy?

http://www.pspsps.tv/halo3boxartrt6.jpg

No, reality.

http://marauderforever.blogspot.com/2008/01/pc-ps3-love.html

[GTShotoKen]

Well the PS3 doesn't have the memory or the graphical horsepower to run newest PC titles (Crysis anyone?).

Wouldn't software have to be written on a per game basis anyways to even get them to run on a non-x86 chip?

The PCSX2 project would be a good start to port to PS3 linux though.

[woundingchaney]

I would hate to see the performance they get out of these titles. Small amount of system ram, no graphics acceleration (yet that I know of). Given extensive code work done I would imagine it to be possible, maybe.

Is he talking about about streaming or playing a pc game natively on one's PS3??

[VG Aficionado]

I would hate to see the performance they get out of these titles. Small amount of system ram, no graphics acceleration (yet that I know of). Given extensive code work done I would imagine it to be possible, maybe.

Is he talking about about streaming or playing a pc game natively on one's PS3??

How about you actually read it before you comment it?

Anyway, don't expect to be amazed by any progresses made anytime soon, Sony keeps fixing the holes that would allow that.

[woundingchaney]

How about you actually read it before you comment it?

Anyway, don't expect to be amazed by any progresses made anytime soon, Sony keeps fixing the holes that would allow that.

Huh, I did read the blog and since I dont have access to his links (nor do I intend to acquire them) I asked. It does after all link to a "game streaming" website, though his blog suggests that this is done natively on the PS3.

This is a warning. Im not interested in hearing your nonsense.

[VG Aficionado]

:whogives:

[cliffbo]

taken from the stream my game forum

well basically what you need is a pc that can run the games on w/e resolution you want.. on that pc you install the game you want (we'll take Halo as example)

what you then do is install the streamer software on your Windows PC (the server is only available for Windows Operating Systems)
From what i read in your post, you have done this already!

so for the PS3 side what you'll need to do is install a Linux (either Ubuntu (1CD) or Yellow Dog Linux (1DVD)). then you install it (make sure you have a HDTV otherwise its not worth it, if you do want it for YDL you'll need to use the commands "installtext" and "ydl480i", without the "quotes")
when you done so go http://www.streammygame.com/smg/modules.php?name=Download#2 and follow these instructions..

then next what you might want to do for games that support a controller, install the SIXAXIS on your Linux on PS3 which you can find on http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html


greeetzz

[Zer0-Sum]

Any new game like Crysis or Bioshock that is not optimized for PS3 would brutalize it ruthlessly. That being said, the PS3/Linux homebrew game scene has a ton of potential, if people are will to put in the time.

[VG Aficionado]

People, this is not about PS3 running PC games natively through Linux.

[Zer0-Sum]

People, this is not about PS3 running PC games natively through Linux.

That is what is sounded like. If it is not about that, then what the heck is it about??

[cliffbo]

People, this is not about PS3 running PC games natively through Linux.

exactly! it doesn't matter about the power of the receiver, you play these games via the server, the same as you can play Lair on the PSP

[woundingchaney]

That is what is sounded like. If it is not about that, then what the heck is it about??

Yes it is what it sounded like and that is what it is partially displayed to be.

It is about streaming a game through ones PS3 from their pc.

[cliffbo]

Yes it is what it sounded like and that is what it is displayed to be.

It is about streaming a game through ones PS3 from their pc.

no it isn't, Wounding. it's about streaming the game via the site and playing it remotely. other systems have been in development for a while now. read this:



http://www.awomo.com/features.htm

AWOMO™ is the world's first 3D games platform dedicated entirely to games and gamers. AWOMO™ will offer the worlds best games, playable within minutes rather than hours. The games are set within a virtual island where the global games community can meet, talk, sample free games, buy stuff, and enter tournaments to win big prizes.
The world's best games.

Gamers are a dedicated and well informed community, who know what's out there and what they want . AWOMO™ will deliver the triple A's along with a comprehensive range of the worlds best games to suit all ages and tastes. What's more – AWOMO™ will feature many 'never seen before innovations from small indy developers and bring back lots of discontinued 'old favourites' to live again alongside the hottest new releases.
No disc needed.

Games are often hard to find, expensive to buy, they get 'borrowed' and damaged, or simply lose their appeal. No install disc is needed with AWOMO™. Once the download has been made, should it ever need to be deleted by mistake , or re – installed or on another PC, then there's nothing more to pay. If the gamer gets hooked on a special game then after an agreed number of hours the 'loyalty reward' kicks in and then - it's free for ever.
Lightning speed.

The days of downloads measured in hours are finally over. Simply choose a game and minutes later its ready to be played. This revolutionary streaming technology is exclusive to AWOMO™; delivering perfect new disc quality but in a fraction of the time. Those minutes can be spent meeting friends, watching trailers, or planning a trip to a new gaming district- to enter the next big tournament, or take on a dragon in a medieval forest with friends?
More choice, less space.

Ever bought a game - then wished you'd got another one? Its an expensive mistake we've all made, but never need make again. In AWOMO™ you can buy time - not the game, so which one you play and for how long is your choice alone. Play one for as long as you want - then switch to another and another - without paying any more. Instead of spending all your cash on one CD , now you're free to try dozens of every type - from the simplest casual game to the most challenging MMOGs.

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Join the global games community.

Games were devised to be fun; AWOMO™ was devised to be the first choice to the international community of over 450 million gamers - to make them feel welcome and keep them entertained. In addition to featuring the latest games as soon as they're available, special programs, games news, interviews and gossip will be shown on giant screens. You will be the first to hear of new attractions, and join group activities with friends or families. Real time 3D voice chat ( and text) between avatars makes conversation real, meet friends and make new ones from around the world. Meet in a club, rent a car or stroll along the beach at sunset – after all its your world. There will be AWOMO leagues defined by age groups, as well as high profile tournaments to find the world's top gamers, and the winners rewarded with very serious prizes.
Connect Direct.

Some 'hard core' gamers will just want to 'play their game ' without the need to enter via the 3D world. For them a separate AWOMO™ Desktop portal will connect them directly to their choice.
Flexible payment packages.

After registering, entrance to AWOMO™ is free, but to play a game a simple sign up process is required. Once done, that's it, you can then pay per play, or open a subscription based on what suits you best. From the low cost first steps option - a flexible range of packages extend up to the AWOMO™ virtually unlimited access.


http://www.awomo.com/features.htm

yes, folks, it's the same as HOME! could Sony be doing the same eventually?

[Fazares]

of course...

[Zer0-Sum]

So let me get this right. A remote server is set up and you can connect to it via Linux on your PS3 to play PC games off of the remote server? Is that right?

EDIT^^

[GTShotoKen]

So this software just lets you stream data from your PC, through your PS3, to your tv and you can use the peripherals for your PS3 to control the PC game.

I guess that's useful....

If you can actually choose the title you want to play from your PS3 console then things start to get interesting since everything is all controlled from your PS3 after initial set-up. Being able to play all of your games in one place would be very cool, but I would definitely like to see this program work with PC emulators more though.

Edit: This software would be especially great if it worked flawlessly over vast distances (maybe in a dreamworld), but it would be cool to be able to play every PC game ever completely maxed from a machine that you don't have to buy.

[cliffbo]

So let me get this right. A remote server is set up and you can connect to it via Linux on your PS3 to play PC off of the remote server? Is that right?

more or less, yes. it's the same as playing Lair on the PSP... there is no need to have game code to play it, just a good internet connection. it's the future of gaming and it's happening now.

i don't think you need a PC though. i think the PC part of this article is refering to Linux

[VG Aficionado]

It's easier to plug the PC to the HDTV and use a sixaxis driver, and you wouldn't be wasting network resources, but whatever. As to playing PC games when you're not at home... PS3 is not a portable console, but hey...

[cliffbo]

It's easier to plug the PC to the HDTV and use a sixaxis driver, and you wouldn't be wasting network resources, but whatever. As to playing PC games when you're not at home... PS3 is not a portable console, but hey...

but the PSP is! internet to PS3, wi-fi to PSP! i reckon that's possible

[GTShotoKen]

It's easier to plug the PC to the HDTV and use a sixaxis driver, and you wouldn't be wasting network resources, but whatever. As to playing PC games when you're not at home... PS3 is not a portable console, but hey...

I personally agree with that.

I see the use for it if you are on a smaller laptop that can't run games nearly as well as your desktop though.

[woundingchaney]

no it isn't, Wounding. it's about streaming the game via the site and playing it remotely. other systems have been in development for a while now. read this:

The game is still ran through the pc though (at least that is what this seems to state) and user input is done through the ps3 via linux and displayed on one's tv. Hence forth the need of streaming and server clients as well as the initial install on the pc.

As to say when one plays Lair on their psp the PS3 is still processing the game but it is being displayed and controlled on the psp.

[cliffbo]

I personally agree with that.

I see the use for it if you are on a smaller laptop that can't run games nearly as well as your desktop though.

with this system all you need is a set top box that can take a USB controller, the PS3 is just one possible delivery devices. AWOMO has already had Unreal running successfully through a set top box with minimal lag... and it's still in early stages

[Zer0-Sum]

Crysis would still whump on a PS3 unless it was made for the PS3 from the ground up. Other games would work ok I suppose. Older games would work great, like UT2004. Starcraft on PS3 anyone? Mmm.....

[cliffbo]

Crysis would still whump on a PS3 unless it was made for the PS3 from the ground up. Other games would work ok I suppose. Older games would work great, like UT2004. Starcraft on PS3 anyone? Mmm.....

your not quite getting this yet lol... it doesn't run on the PS3, the PS3 is just the receiver. it runs on the server! does Lair wimp out on the PSP? it's the same thing

[Zer0-Sum]

your not quite getting this yet lol... it doesn't run on the PS3, the PS3 is just the receiver. it runs on the server! does Lair wimp out on the PSP? it's the same thing

Nothing runs on the PS3 then? That is just weird. I guess it would work then. Would this break licensing for the game being transmitted though? How would that work?

[LiquidEagle]

Sounds interesting, but I haven't touched Linux on my PS3 in ages...

[cliffbo]

Nothing runs on the PS3 then? That is just weird. I guess it would work then. Would this break licensing for the game being transmitted though? How would that work?

take a look at this:

http://www.streammygame.com/smg/modules.php?name=Streamer_How_It_Works#2

The Game Stream can be recorded to a file, broadcast, transmitted over the home network and will soon be able to be sent over the internet and played on the remote computer. The encrypted keyboard commands from the remote computer are captured and transmitted back over the network and used to play the game.

This bi-directional stream of video, audio and encrypted control data is called a Game Stream.

[Khaos]

This is just like remote desktop software except for games. There is no streaming of any game code from any remote location on the Internet.

You have a server and a client. In this case, your PC would be the server, and the PS3 would be the client. The PC does all the processing of the game data and sends the already processed graphical output to the PS3. The PS3 on the other hand collects all user input, such as keyboard presses or controller input, and sends it to the PC.

In the end, it's the same as hooking up your PC to an HDTV and using the SIXAXIS on your PC with the appropriate drivers, but you're just using the PS3 as the 'man in the middle'. The PS3 is not processing any game code, so these games technically are not being run on the PS3, just being displayed on the PS3.

[cliffbo]

This is just like remote desktop software except for games. There is no streaming of any game code from any remote location on the Internet.

You have a server and a client. In this case, your PC would be the server, and the PS3 would be the client. The PC does all the processing of the game data and sends the already processed graphical output to the PS3. The PS3 on the other hand collects all user input, such as keyboard presses or controller input, and sends it to the PC.

In the end, it's the same as hooking up your PC to an HDTV and using the SIXAXIS on your PC with the appropriate drivers, but you're just using the PS3 as the 'man in the middle'. The PS3 is not processing any game code, so these games technically are not being run on the PS3, just being displayed on the PS3.

did you read that link i gave?

The Game Stream can be recorded to a file, broadcast, transmitted over the home network and will soon be able to be sent over the internet and played on the remote computer. The encrypted keyboard commands from the remote computer are captured and transmitted back over the network and used to play the game.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Man, fuck halo.

That's all.

[woundingchaney]

Cliff that is what he said.

In AOWO the initial pc is doing all of the processing work with input commands, sound, visuals, etc simply being streamed to the user from a remote location. The user is simply playing a game that is being processed elsewhere and streamed to his location. His/her input commands are simply being sent to be processed to the initial computer and then returned. The entire scenario sounds very inefficient and troublesome.


Similar to the way the PC + PS3 = Love scenario seems to be working. The PS3 is simply accepting a stream and then sending command input. The PS3 itself is not processing any game code simply accepting and displaying the info. (and sending input commands).

[Khaos]

did you read that link i gave?
The Game Stream can be recorded to a file, broadcast, transmitted over the home network and will soon be able to be sent over the internet and played on the remote computer. The encrypted keyboard commands from the remote computer are captured and transmitted back over the network and used to play the game.

Yep. I think you are misunderstanding it.

The encrypted keyboard commands from the remote computer [in this case, the PS3] are captured and transmitted back over the network [your home network] and used to play the game [which is running on the PC].

[Zer0-Sum]

Man, fuck halo.

That's all.

QFT

[cliffbo]

Yep. I think you are misunderstanding it.

The encrypted keyboard commands from the remote computer [in this case, the PS3] are captured and transmitted back over the network [your home network] and used to play the game [which is running on the PC].

i think you are misunderstanding it lol... the PS3 is the receiver, the PC can be cut out of the equation

[woundingchaney]

Where would the PS3 be receiving information from then?? The pc is sending the information to the PS3.

[cliffbo]

Where would the PS3 be receiving information from then?? The pc is sending the information to the PS3.

lol... why aren't you seeing it? why do you think it's on a Linux site? Linux allows you to run PC programs. this streaming utility runs on PCs. with Linux installed the PS3 becomes that PC. no PC needed, just the streaming tech installed on the Linux in your PS3.

ITS RECEIVING THE INFORMATION THROUGH THE SERVER!!! LOLOL... get it?

[woundingchaney]

lol... why aren't you seeing it? why do you think it's on a Linux site? Linux allows you to run PC programs. this streaming utility runs on PCs. with Linux installed the PS3 becomes that PC. no PC needed, just the streaming tech installed on the Linux in your PS3.

ITS RECEIVING THE INFORMATION THROUGH THE SERVER!!! LOLOL... get it?



The only utility installed on the linux side of things (the PS3) is the streaming application which allows content to be moved to and fro and the sixaxis driver. The processing is being done on the initial pc where the game install occurs.

I dont see anything to indicate that the linux based PS3 is processing the game code.

The information it is receiving through the server is from the windows based pc and the information itself is the already processed game code. The linux based PS3 is simply displaying it. Much the same way AOWO works only on a smaller scale.

[Khaos]

Yes you can run some Windows programs on Linux, but with a locked RSX, it's impossible to play Halo or Gears on PS3's YDL.

I'm telling you, cliffbo, the way I proposed it worked is the way it is working.

[cliffbo]

The only utility installed on the linux side of things (the PS3) is the streaming application which allows content to be moved to and fro. The processing is being done on the initial pc where the game install occurs.

I dont see anything to indicate that the linux based PS3 is processing the game code.

LOLOL!!!!!! no, wounding... Linux isn't running it, it's just enabling you to run the streaming tech on your PS3. it takes the joystick/keyboard information and sends it back through the server to the PC there end that is running the program. think of it in the same way as the PSP running Lair, only it's not wi-fi it's cable

[woundingchaney]

Cliff I believe I just said that.

[cliffbo]

Yes you can run some Windows programs on Linux, but with a locked RSX, it's impossible to play Halo or Gears on PS3's YDL.

I'm telling you, cliffbo, the way I proposed it worked is the way it is working.

if you have a PC, what would be so fantastic about this? why are members on other linux forums very happy about this. if your streaming it to your PC, then play it there! the PS3 is just displaying the visuals, not running the code, so theoretically, as long as the server's PC is very powerful, you would be able to play Crysis on your PS3. again, think Lair on PSP. is the PSP running the code? no, it's receiving the visuals and allowing your input to be sent back to the PS3. same thing

[cliffbo]

Cliff I believe I just said that.

no you didn't wounding. you are saying that you need a PC in your home to stream it to the PS3, i'm saying that the PS3 is the PC and it streams it directly from the server

edit: damn you got me thinking now though.... mmmmmm... i could be wrong! LOL

[GTShotoKen]

What the hell, It's like all three of you are saying the same exact thing!!!http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/giveup.gif

[woundingchaney]

no you didn't wounding. you are saying that you need a PC in your home to stream it to the PS3, i'm saying that the PS3 is the PC and it streams it directly from the server

Cliff trust me you need the home pc if you want to play a windows based pc game through your PS3 by the method suggested in this article.

Even in the case of AOWO it is still working on an initial pc.

The pc (in either scenario) is doing all of the processing the server is simply transferring information.

[Khaos]

no you didn't wounding. you are saying that you need a PC in your home to stream it to the PS3, i'm saying that the PS3 is the PC and it streams it directly from the server

You do need a PC. What would act as the server then?

When they say server, they don't mean an Internet server that you get the game from. They mean your home PC, which is serving the game's graphical output to your PS3.

[woundingchaney]

^ Yes

[cliffbo]

You do need a PC. What would act as the server then?

When they say server, they don't mean an Internet server that you get the game from. They mean your home PC, which is serving the game's graphical output to your PS3.

no you don't lol... this will clear it up for you:

http://www.mcvuk.com/press-releases/32868/StreamMyGame-launches-Game-Streaming-Broadband-Linux-and-PS3-to-follow

"We will release a Linux version in Q4 2007 which will enable PC games to be played on the PlayStation 3 and many other devices including DVD players, set top boxes, networked media devices and mobile phones," he said.

StreamMyGame enables games to be played remotely by converting a game's video and audio into a Game Stream and sending it over a home network to a laptop or second PC. The game can be played on the laptop without any lag and the laptop does not need to have the game installed.

StreamMyGame will extend its services in Q1 2008 to enable games to be played remotely over broadband networks that have sufficient capacity such as Verizon's FiOS. Publishers will be able to use StreamMyGame to establish Pay-for-Play services.

[GTShotoKen]

Well it says that the streaming is done over a home (local) network.

Internet based streaming hasn't been implemented yet, but this would allow you to play games from anyone's PC that will allow it (they also allow you to charge people for that too).

[cliffbo]

^ Yes

no... lol. are you actually reading the information i'm putting up. it's in black and white. you don't need the game installed on anything, it's played remotely through the server. all you need is the streaming tech installed

StreamMyGame enables games to be played remotely by converting a game's video and audio into a Game Stream and sending it over a home network to a laptop or second PC. The game can be played on the laptop without any lag and the laptop does not need to have the game installed.

[woundingchaney]

StreamMyGame enables games to be played remotely by converting a game's video and audio into a Game Stream and sending it over a home network to a laptop or second PC. The game can be played on the laptop without any lag and the laptop does not need to have the game installed.


That is what we are saying. Even here it states that the already processed video and audio are being streamed. That is why the game doesnt have to be installed, because it is installed elsewhere then processed and then sent to one's PS3, pc, or whatever.

I still dont see where or how the initial home pc or PS3 is processing the raw game code (outside of simply displaying it). Nor could it process the raw code without the installed engine. The plug-in they are speaking of is simply something to accept the feed.


I think you are under the impression that the game data is being sent and then locally processed.

[cliffbo]

That is what we are saying. Even here it states that the already processed video and audio are being streamed. That is why the game doesnt have to be installed, because it is installed elsewhere then processed and then sent to one's PS3, pc, or whatever.

I still dont see where or how the initial home pc or PS3 is processing the raw game code (outside of simply displaying it).


I think you are under the impression that the game data is being sent and then locally processed.

that's not what i'm saying at all and you know it... just say sorry, Cliffbo, you were right. it's easy you know :)

your twisting that round wounding. you have been saying it is actually running the code on a PC in your home, i have been saying the code is processed on the server and then sent to the PS3. you have said the program needs to be installed on your PC, i have said there is no install of the game needed. admit it, wounding, you were wrong.

what you said
The only utility installed on the linux side of things (the PS3) is the streaming application which allows content to be moved to and fro and the sixaxis driver. The processing is being done on the initial pc where the game install occurs.

[woundingchaney]

Cliff in the PC+PS3= Love scenario the game does have to be installed on ones pc and the pc is indeed processing the information (it says so in the link you provided). The pc sends the information to the home network and it acts as a server directing it to one's linux based ps3.


Quote:
well basically what you need is a pc that can run the games on w/e resolution you want.. on that pc you install the game you want (we'll take Halo as example)

what you then do is install the streamer software on your Windows PC (the server is only available for Windows Operating Systems)
From what i read in your post, you have done this already!

so for the PS3 side what you'll need to do is install a Linux (either Ubuntu (1CD) or Yellow Dog Linux (1DVD)). then you install it (make sure you have a HDTV otherwise its not worth it, if you do want it for YDL you'll need to use the commands "installtext" and "ydl480i", without the "quotes")
when you done so go http://www.streammygame.com/smg/modu...ame=Download#2 and follow these instructions..

then next what you might want to do for games that support a controller, install the SIXAXIS on your Linux on PS3 which you can find on http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html





In AOWO the game is installed on a pc somewhere then processed and then sent to ones house via a server to their PS3, pc, or whatever.

I am not twisting your words Cliff.

[cliffbo]

read this thread carefully. you do not need an install or a PC

StreamMyGame enables games to be played remotely by converting a game's video and audio into a Game Stream and sending it over a home network to a laptop or second PC. The game can be played on the laptop without any lag and the laptop does not need to have the game installed.

[woundingchaney]

For the PS3 + PC = Love scenario yes you do.

I never said that for the AOWO scenario you needed a pc game install to run the service.

I have said the same thing repeatedly Cliff.

[cliffbo]

For the PS3 + PC = Love scenario yes you do.


I have said the same thing repeatedly Cliff.

In AOWO the game is installed on a pc somewhere then processed and then sent to ones house via a server to their PS3, pc, or whatever.

at last you got it right. you don't need it installed on your own PC or on your PS3, all you do is stream the code that is being run on the server, your joystick input is then sent through the server to that game.

[cliffbo]

You do need a PC. What would act as the server then?

When they say server, they don't mean an Internet server that you get the game from. They mean your home PC, which is serving the game's graphical output to your PS3.

^ Yes


also posted by you lol... come on fella ;)
I would hate to see the performance they get out of these titles. Small amount of system ram, no graphics acceleration (yet that I know of). Given extensive code work done I would imagine it to be possible, maybe.

Is he talking about about streaming or playing a pc game natively on one's PS3??

get out of that one lol:

and:
Yes it is what it sounded like and that is what it is partially displayed to be.

It is about streaming a game through ones PS3 from their pc.

edits are fun LOL!

[Khaos]

read this thread carefully. you do not need an install or a PC

StreamMyGame enables games to be played remotely by converting a game's video and audio into a Game Stream and sending it over a home network to a laptop or second PC. The game can be played on the laptop without any lag and the laptop does not need to have the game installed. [because the PC has the game installed on it!]

[woundingchaney]

get out of that one lol:

Cliff that remark was based on the article that this thread is devoted to, the PS3+PC=Love article.

This statement was based off of Khaos's statement, which directly followed my statement:


Cliff trust me you need the home pc if you want to play a windows based pc game through your PS3 by the method suggested in this article.

Even in the case of AOWO it is still working on an initial pc.

The pc (in either scenario) is doing all of the processing the server is simply transferring information.

Everytime I spoke about the AOWO article I stated AOWO in my comment.



also posted by you lol... come on fella
Quote:
I would hate to see the performance they get out of these titles. Small amount of system ram, no graphics acceleration (yet that I know of). Given extensive code work done I would imagine it to be possible, maybe.

Is he talking about about streaming or playing a pc game natively on one's PS3??
and:



Quote:
Yes it is what it sounded like and that is what it is partially displayed to be.

It is about streaming a game through ones PS3 from their pc


Cliff this was made first statement in which I specifically asked what the article was referring to. The article that the thread was made about is indeed about streaming a game from ones home pc (which it has to be installed to) through their linux based PS3.



Im sorry I made this confusing or you found it to be confusing.

[GTShotoKen]

Cliffbo if you read the article again that you posted yourself it seems that the actual processing and streaming process happens on a home network.

The internet technology hasn't been implemented yet so how can you stream games from a remote server unless it's on your own home network?

Edit: It's pretty much like wounding has been saying. The game currently only streams from your home PC to supported receiving devices (ala PS3 or laptop) where the inputs are read.

[cliffbo]

you install linux on your PS3. this enables you to use the streaming technology. your PS3 then becomes the remote player for the visuals while the actual code runs on the servers side. your Joystick input is fed back to them and then returned visually to you via the stream. you don't even need a PC or a PS3, a set top box that can take USB joysticks can run the thing... i've explained it too many times. if you're still confused, check out all the links i've provided. all you are doing is the same as the PSP running Lair. how much clearer can that be? lol

[GTShotoKen]

you install linux on your PS3. this enables you to use the streaming technology. your PS3 then becomes the remote player for the visuals while the actual code runs on the servers side. your Joystick input is fed back to them and then returned visually to you via the stream. you don't even need a PC or a PS3, a set top box that can take USB joysticks can run the thing... i've explained it too many times. if you're still confused, check out all the links i've provided. all you are doing is the same as the PSP running Lair. how much clearer can that be? lol

Well, it seems like you guys have been arguing the same thing.

Exactly what part of your arguments make them different if you focus on that part instead of typing up a whole synopsis then it might be easier to figure something out.

[cliffbo]

read this thread carefully. you do not need an install or a PC

Quote:
StreamMyGame enables games to be played remotely by converting a game's video and audio into a Game Stream and sending it over a home network to a laptop or second PC. The game can be played on the laptop without any lag and the laptop does not need to have the game installed. [because the PC has the game installed on it!]

you initially said your own PC, have you changed that yourself too lol... or are you suggesting that you install it on your own PC and then stream it from your own PC to your own laptop?! if so, you are not reading the information i have given correctly.

[woundingchaney]

you install linux on your PS3. this enables you to use the streaming technology. your PS3 then becomes the remote player for the visuals while the actual code runs on the servers side. your Joystick input is fed back to them and then returned visually to you via the stream. you don't even need a PC or a PS3, a set top box that can take USB joysticks can run the thing... i've explained it too many times. if you're still confused, check out all the links i've provided. all you are doing is the same as the PSP running Lair. how much clearer can that be? lol



This is true in the AOWO scenario.

Although in the PC+PS3=Love scenario you do indeed need a PS3 with linux and streaming app installed and a windows based pc with the game and the server app. installed.



Edit: It's pretty much like wounding has been saying. The game currently only streams from your home PC to supported receiving devices (ala PS3 or laptop) where the inputs are read.

[cliffbo]

Well, it seems like you guys have been arguing the same thing.

Exactly what part of your arguments make them different if you focus on that part instead of typing up a whole synopsis then it might be easier to figure something out.

everyone has been arguing that the PC is in your Home and that the streaming comes from there, were as i have been arguing that you stream the game through the server from their PC. they have been saying that you need the game installed somewhere first, were i have been saying that there is no install at all. i think i've finally got through a little bit, which is why the lines between my argument and theirs have narrowed somewhat lol. :)

edit: realize that this is only to differentiate the arguments and of course i could still be wrong LOL... bee in bonnet and all that

The Game Stream can be recorded to a file, broadcast, transmitted over the home network and will soon be able to be sent over the internet and played on the remote computer. The encrypted keyboard commands from the remote computer are captured and transmitted back over the network and used to play the game.

key features:

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Register for our free Standard membership or subscribe for our Premium and Unlimited memberships
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Build gaming communities
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Record gameplay to video and upload these videos to the web
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Broadcast games live over networks and at LAN parties
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Stream games over their local network so they can be played on any computer in their home
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Stream games over their local network so they can be played on any Linux and UPnP based device in their home*
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Share their games over the internet so they can be played at remote locations by other gamers*
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Improve their game skills with dual play of single player games

* Linux/PS3 player will be released Dec 2007. Broadband player released Q1 2008. UPnP released Q1 2008.

http://www.streammygame.com/smg/modules.php?name=Streamer_How_It_Works#2

[woundingchaney]

everyone has been arguing that the PC is in your Home and that the streaming comes from there, were as i have been arguing that you stream the game through the server from their PC. they have been saying that you need the game installed somewhere first, were i have been saying what the information says, that there is no install at all. i think i've finally got through a little bit, which is why the lines between my argument and theirs has narrowed somewhat lol. i knew i'd get through in the end, especially when i had all those facts at my disposal :)

In the PS3+PC=Love scenario the pc is in one's home and the game does need to be installed to it.

In the AOWO scenario the game is installed somewhere on a remote pc and then streamed to one's home through some sort of input device. The only "user install" in this scenario is the AOWO plug in.

This is what many have been stating all along.

I believe you are confusing people statements between the PS3+PC=Love article and the AOWO articles that you introduced later on in the thread.

[GTShotoKen]

StreamMyGame enables games to be played remotely by converting a game's video and audio into a Game Stream and sending it over a home network to a laptop or second PC. The game can be played on the laptop without any lag and the laptop does not need to have the game installed.

I'm confused as to what part of this statement says anything comes from their servers?

Here's the link to how everything works:

http://www.streammygame.com/smg/modules.php?name=Streamer_How_It_Works

Ok, so it seems that if you want to play over a broadband network (which I don't think has been implemented yet), the website only coordinates the data transfer, but the game is installed on the hosts pc (whoever is hosting the game).

Basically, this software is p2p with the company website as an intermediary.

So basically, everyone is right and no one is wrong like Wounding has been saying too lol. :lol:

[cliffbo]

but they are essentially the same thing. the only real difference is that one is like HOME

[Khaos]

Streaming from their servers would infringe so many copyright laws. You must own the game first. You must have it installed on a PC in your house first. Then you can take advantage of this software.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8836/119721892429fo7.png

I'm done.

[cliffbo]

I'm confused as to what part of this statement says anything comes from their servers?

Here's the link to how everything works:

http://www.streammygame.com/smg/modules.php?name=Streamer_How_It_Works

Ok, so it seems that if you want to play over a broadband network (which I don't think has been implemented yet), the website only coordinates the data transfer, but the game is installed on the hosts pc (whoever is hosting the game).

Basically, this software is p2p with the company website as an intermediary.

so the host is who? could it be on the server side? it wouldn't take any stretch of the imagination to realize that they could set up their own PCs and charge a fee to play...

anyway... i reckon we're all probably singing from a similar hymn sheet LOLOL... i love a heated debate now and then... two against one is fun, but tends to make the one look argumentative because the two are in accordance

[GTShotoKen]

LOL, I understand how you feel Khaos. :lol:

so the host is who? could it be on the server side? it wouldn't take any stretch of the imagination to realize that they could set up their own PCs and charge a fee to play...

Like Khaos said, there might be legal issues with the website doing that (look at why gametap is so slow at adopting titles that are even remotely recent).

Like limewire, they make money off of the p2p software, but not the actual data that is being transmitted.

Edit: They also have a free and pro version too in essence since the software doesn't support high resolutions unless you pay.

[cliffbo]

correction, three against one! LOL... it's fun being a forum user

[GTShotoKen]

correction, three against one! LOL... it's fun being a forum user

Sorry about that, I personally understand what I need to, so I won't gang up on you anyway more (even though I wasn't trying to do that in the first place). :lol:

[venomv]

StreamMyGame enables games to be played remotely by converting a game's video and audio (running on your PC) into a Game Stream and sending it over a home network to a laptop or second PC (Or in this case PS3). The game can be played on the laptop (PS3) without any lag and the laptop (PS3) does not need to have the game installed.

Bolded stuff is my additions.

It is bassically the same deal as the PSP-PS3 connection, the PC does the processing and the PS3 is doing the video/audio output to whatever you have hooked up to it.

It is cool but not useful for most people.

[KRA]

i refuse to read or understand this thread. but i can cover your ass in this gang wars cliffbo :)

[cliffbo]

i refuse to read or understand this thread. but i can cover your ass in this gang wars cliffbo :)

LOL... i've forgotten what we were on about

[GTShotoKen]

Well, if everyone can move on from whatever has been going on...so who's willing to try out this software?