Dodge Viper being phased out?

[Dakota Grabowski]

Dodge Viper no more? (http://adaylatefriend.blogspot.com/2008/01/cerebus-anti-venom-to-chrysler.html)

Sadly, as of today, it is rumored that Dodge Viper may be cut from their line up. The only American car to compete in price and performance with the Corvette, may have its head on the chopping block.

What does everyone think?

[Gummy]

=[
Dodge Viper is fucking sexy man.

I hope it is only a rumor and not happen.

[speed stick]

That sucks. Even though I don't ever plan on purchasing one, its still a wicked machine to see on the road. Maybe after a couple years it will return once again.

[err_ok]

Let me quote top gear when i say; American Cars, Brilliant in straight lines.. But tend to smash into walls.

Although i admit it is a sexy beast of a car. I remember being in one once when i was a kid and wanting one for years.

[Smokey]

Let me quote top gear when i say; American Cars, Brilliant in straight lines.. But tend to smash into walls.

Although i admit it is a sexy beast of a car. I remember being in one once when i was a kid and wanting one for years.

err puts on flame suit for punkem

[The Dude]

I dont blame them, have you seen the new CAFE standards for required mpg? Every car is supposed to have 35 mpg by 2020 Its going to be the death of many a sports cars.

Let me quote top gear when i say; American Cars, Brilliant in straight lines.. But tend to smash into walls.


Yeah and thats why the Pontiac Solstice and Dodge Neon dominate their respective classes in autocross. Never mind that the Z06 (despite leaf springs) is also dominate in motor sports. The Viper's only real weak point is brake fade.

[Xer0]

I dont blame them, have you seen the new CAFE standards for required mpg? Every car is supposed to have 35 mpg by 2020 Its going to be the death of many a sports cars.



Yeah and thats why the Pontiac Solstice and Dodge Neon dominate their respective classes in autocross. Never mind that the Z06 (despite leaf springs) is also dominate in motor sports. The Viper's only real weak point is brake fade.

Dont forget its small problem of burning people, which i think is kinda cool personally.

The Viper will most likely be phased out along with the whole of the Chrysler corp since it is currently in the biggest financial shithole in the world. Although it, along with the jeep brand and maybe a Dodge pick up or two, may survive in some form.

[Viper]

Looks like the 'Vette may have defanged the Viper.

[cpiasminc]

Let me quote top gear when i say; American Cars, Brilliant in straight lines.. But tend to smash into walls.

Although i admit it is a sexy beast of a car. I remember being in one once when i was a kid and wanting one for years.
Well, as much as you'd probably get a load of defensive responses about the Corvette, I've always felt the Viper kind of exemplified that. It's not that it's a bad handler in the generic sense -- surely, if you compared it to an average ordinary car, it is a miracle -- but the thing is it's a classic example of too much engine for the machine. Sure it's got a reasonably good sporty suspension, but that V10 is way beyond what that layout, that chassis, those tires, etc. were made to handle. The worst part is that it's not that Dodge has horrible engineers who don't know balance; it's that the American car-buying public is just that stupid that they just think horsepower, cubic inches, and nothing else matters. The Viper is similar to what marketing people would refer to as "blue crystals" -- i.e. marketing defeating engineering sensibility to produce something that looks good only on paper.

I dont blame them, have you seen the new CAFE standards for required mpg? Every car is supposed to have 35 mpg by 2020 Its going to be the death of many a sports cars.
Not really "every car", so much as the overall product sales. And that is actually a weighted average centered around what they sell. So they can still sell Vipers, but they'd need to sell something like 5 Prius-equivalents for every Viper to balance it out. That's why there's all this talk of Chrysler pushing hybrid everything out the door. On a side note, does Chrysler even have anything that gets 35 mpg in the first place?
They've gone as far as to say that pretty soon, every Chrysler V8 will have the following badge --
http://www.edmunds.com/media/il/news/2007/0621/chrysler.hemi.hybrid.160.jpg

It also means that for the companies to meet their quotas, the dealers have to try and swing you in certain directions more often than not. Can you imagine going into a Chevy dealer asking about the Corvette, and then the dealer says "Wouldn't you rather look at our Aveo lineup?"

To me, though, the CAFE laws are just plain stupid for a simple reason -- it does absolutely nothing for the cars already on the road. It is pushing delers to sell the cars that the American public simply wouldn't buy. All it does is make it look like the car manufacturers are completely to blame for the death of the rainforests, when the biggest part of the blame really lies with us consumers.

[nesman]

All these new standards make the 1970s and 1980s come back all over again.

[speed stick]

These standards are making the vehicle manufacturers think a little more thats all.

[Smokey]

the day we are drivin electric cars will be the death of (cars and prolly me) there is no better thing than a Combustion engine.. pure sex

[speed stick]

^I know what you mean, I love my exhaust :)

[cpiasminc]

Engineering elegance is my drug, and there's quite a lot of headroom for the combustion of hydrocarbons. The extent of regulations on the automotive industry means, however, that every new technology perfected to the absolute maximum degree today will take 15 years to see market production after testing and verification and mountains of red tape. Having seen what it's like in the nuclear industry, it's rather amusing to think that automotive engineers have it worse (albeit that the processes are far more arduous).

I always have to retch whenever I see the common American sentiment about cars and see idiots espouse redneck mentalities like "If you're not fast in a straight line, you're not fast" and "Jap and Euro car whores talk about road courses all the time because they know foreign cars aren't competitive unless everybody else drives slow"

Quite frankly, even with all this purported belief that we'll see Fuel Cell vehicles by 2011, I'm not holding my breath for anytime before 2025. So you don't have to worry about the death knell of the ICE yet. Lobbyists are more concerned with Ethanol and Biodiesel (ethanol too much so, and biodiesel not enough so).

[Garfunkel]

the day we are drivin electric cars will be the death of (cars and prolly me) there is no better thing than a Combustion engine.. pure sex

Well, at least with an electric vehicle you could have lightning acceleration.

[speed stick]

Well, at least with an electric vehicle you could have lightning acceleration.

Oh yeah for sure. Those electric motors have so much torque and its delivered so fast. I want to test drive one of those new Accords and see how quick they are.

[Smokey]

Well, at least with an electric vehicle you could have lightning acceleration.

a mixture of both FTW. but im hoping Hydrogen engines are the go

[Garfunkel]

same. Electric is a bit shitty IMO. It defeats the purpose if we have to burn coal to save oil.

However a car that can run on hydrogen (and eventually, water) will be truly stunning.

[Smokey]

(and eventually, water) will be truly stunning.
we will all be scramblin for rain water tanks hahaha

ontopic.. never did like the viper a bit fugly IMO

[Garfunkel]

LOL, yeah, maybe a car running on water will never work in Australia thanks to our stupid government throwing money at dams and not catchment areas.

[Smokey]

all the damns are in the wrong spots anyway..
i think we're on level 6 now. i dont care, it just shits me that people still want to water their lawns & shit when we are short on water.. fuckin wankers

[Garfunkel]

agreed. I hate the wankers that wash their cars on their driveways so the water just runs out on to the street. Then you see them later watering the garden.

We have two tanks so we are allowed to, but 99 percent of people don't give a damn.

[Rizon]

F*ck the enviroment.

Vipers are iconic cars. And unless they ain't selling. Why stop them?
Its a challenege to the vette, just, but you get what im getting at.

I want a damn viper!

[jaxmkii]

Oh yeah for sure. Those electric motors have so much torque and its delivered so fast. I want to test drive one of those new Accords and see how quick they are.

better yet chevrolet volt

[jaxmkii]

F*ck the enviroment.

Vipers are iconic cars. And unless they ain't selling. Why stop them?
Its a challenege to the vette, just, but you get what im getting at.

I want a damn viper!

well that's the problem viper is tanking. its just outdated when compared to its competitors like the Z06, RS6, R8, M5, GTR,

viper should of retired 10 years ago