Final Brawl Character List *SPOILERS, duh*

[Zeep]

I cannot supply you with a source for this information. It was told to me by a friend who I, personally, trust highly with information regarding the internet and/or videogames. He tells me this information was posted independently by multiple sources, and though no screenshots or videos were posted, much of the information matches well with screenshots that were posted after this information was released. I can't force you to believe me, but that's not my problem.



Read on only if you want to know what I, at this time, firmly believe is the final character list for Brawl.





If you define a "character" as being anyone selectable at the character select screen (meaning Sheik/Zelda are one character, Samus/ZSS, etc.), there are 23 characters already confirmed. The game has 35 total. In addition, the character select screen has an icon for "Random". The full Character Select screen, thus, has 36 icons in 9 columns of 4. Since the icons shift around as new characters are unlocked, once all are unlocked they are arranged by series. Here are the 12 not yet announced on the Dojo:

Returning
Marth
Luigi
Captain Falcon*
Ness
Falco*
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf*
Mr. Game & Watch

Newcomers
Wind Waker Link**
Lucario
Wolf
R.O.B.

* Although these characters were "clones" in Melee, they now have fully unique move sets.

** Basically a replacement of Young Link, WW Link also has a unique move set.

[SuperLuigiBros]

Wind Waker Link is just what I wanted to see.

If all the clones have unique movesets, I find it hard to believe that there will be Fox, Falco and Wolf all together with different enough moves.

Also, wasnt there meant to be another 3rd party character?

*still doesnt believe anything until I see screenshots*

...also, for the record, the first thing i looked at was your post count to see if this was a joke. :)

[Generosity of God]

on gametrailers they are showing the newcomers but at the start of the clips they show a possible title select screen (with a ? so people dont go saying its real). i think it looks fairly real but the reason i bring it up is because it actually contains alot of the characters listed in the first post.

character list from GT clips:

Bowser Jr
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Zelda/Shiek
Link
Midna
Ganondorf
Windwaker Link
K. Rool
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Ridley
Samus
Dark Samus
Pokemon Trainer
Pikachu
Lucario
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Wolf
Fox
Krystal
Meta Knight
Kirby
King Dedede
Wario
Ashley (from WarioWare)
Ike
Micaiah (Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn)
Sonic
Mr Game & Watch
Pit
Ice Climbers
Captain Falcon
Black Bull (F-Zero bad guy)
Ness
Lucas
Megaman (maybe, it's too blurry to read the name but could be him)
Olimar
Snake

that's 44 characters (4 rows of 11)

it looks good but a bit sus. i mean i thought Dark Samus would have been one of Samus' alternate skins and i wouldnt have picked Ashley or Black Bull as playable characters.

we'll see soon enough

[SuperLuigiBros]

^Link to that movie?

[bobo_ess]

Marth...GOOD

[Hylian-Advocate]

well.... I am not looking at Zeeps post or the image on gametrailers.....


however.... I do know the gametrailers one is completely fake..... some of the images of the characters are photoshoped-in artwork...and some not even from their latest game.

(based on what little I did see....and according to other sites as well)

[IEatFriedPikmin]

If that is true, my day will be made. I need Capt Falcon and Ness.

[nayrk]

i can pass on NEss... but Capt Falcon must return

[Zeep]

well.... I am not looking at Zeeps post or the image on gametrailers.....


however.... I do know the gametrailers one is completely fake..... some of the images of the characters are photoshoped-in artwork...and some not even from their latest game.

(based on what little I did see....and according to other sites as well)

yes, i've seen screenshots from the gametrailers video and it's very fake. it doesn't quite match the style of the game's menus we've seen so far, and much of the artwork for the characters was just straight pulled from other games.

[Ch1cago88]

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Famitsu Translations and Images!
Tons of Info and Starting Roster Revealed!

I was just emailed by one of my reliable contacts from Japan, Kashikomarimashita (the guy who gaves us the CoroCoro scans both times), and he bought the latest Famitsu magazine. Here's some images, and below them is what was said in the magazine:

# Final Destination is now 100% completely confirmed.
# The ordering for character weight that was shown a few days ago lists the percentages that it takes to KO that character with Mario's Side Smash from the center of Final Destination.
# The best three attacks listed for each character tell which attacks have the most knockback, and what percentage they can KO Mario from the center of Final Destination.
# Wall Clinging is confirmed.
# All of the smashes listed are uncharged.
# Mario can be KO'd at 17% by a fully charged side smash from King Dedede. So from the characters we know, Dedede's fully charged Side Smash is the most powerful move in the game.
# The Pokemon Trainer's pokemon all get fatigued at about 2 minutes, even if you dont move them. They all show visible signs of fatigue: Charizard lowers his head and wings. Squirtle drops his front hands to the ground. Ivysaur's bulb withers.
# The Fanmitsu magazine confirms the starting roster is the 23 characters on the Dojo. (minus Snake and Sonic, and including Zero Suit Samus and Sheik)
# Once fatigued, a Pokemon becomes much slower.
# If you do an aerial dodoge the precise moment before you are hit by an opponent, it will reverse the attack.
# The game allows you to access the rules menu directly from the character select screen.
# When Sheik attacks with certain items such as the Star Rod and Beam Sword, she swings upward twice with a single motion.
# The damage percentages were determined in training mode against a dummy CP and do not take DI in to account.
# Wario's bite can swallow and destroy items and projectiles thrown at him. Everytime he does this, he takes 6% damage.
# The magazine makes no mention of being able to start as Zero Suit Samus at the start of a match.

Here is the Character Info:

Mario
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 103%
# Up Smash A: 124%
# Down Smash A: 136

Peach
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 80%
# Aerial Forward A: 124%
# Side Smash A: 135%

Bowser
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 80%
# Aerial Up A: 87%
# Down B: 94%

Yoshi
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 112%
# Aerial Up A: 123%
# Down B: 123%

Wario
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A:105%
# Aerial Up A: 120%
# Side A: 128%

Pit
# Number of jumps: 4
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Aerial Back A: 100%
# Side Smash A: 121%
# Down Smash A: 133%

DK
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Smash Side A: 75%
# Up Smash A: 79%
# Smash Down A: 92%

Diddy Kong
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 127%
# Down Smash A: 129%
# Aerial Forward A: 142%

Samus
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Aerial Back A: 115%
# Side Smash A: 126%
# Down A: 131%

Zero Suit Samus
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side B: 111%
# Down B: 112%
# Aerial Back A: 115%

Fox
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 93%
# Side Smash A: 123%
# Aerial Back A: 125%

Link
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Aerial Down A: 84%
# Down Smash A: 107%
# Side Smash A: 119%

Zelda
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Arial Forward or Back A: 67% (WTF!!)
# Aerial Up A: 81%
# Side A: 104%

Shiek
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 89%
# Up B: 132%
# Side Smash A: 142%

Kirby
# Number of jumps: 5
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side B: 83%
# Side Smash A: 97%
# Down B: 100%

Metaknight
# Number of jumps: 5
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 111%
# Down Smash A: 112%
# Up A: 130%

King Dedede
# Number of jumps: 4
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 44% (Uff!!)
# Up A: 103%
# Up B: 104%

Lucas
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 75%
# Side Smash A: 88%
# Down Smash A: 90%

Ike
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 48%
# Down A: 86%
# Side A: 93%

Pikachu
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Down B: 76%
# Side Smash A: 105%
# Up Smash A: 115%

Ice Climbers
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 110%
# Up Smash A: 113%
# Aerial Forward A: 129%

Olimar
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 79% (varies depending on Pikmin)
# Down Smash A: 92% (varies depending on Pikmin)
# Side Smash A: 100% (varies depending on Pikmin)

Squirtle
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 93%
# Side Smash A: 119%
# Down Smash A: 136%

Ivysuar
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 59% (Ouch!!)
# Aerial Up A: 96%
# Side Smash A: 102%

Charizard
# Number of jumps: 3
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 83%
# Side B: 98%
# Up B: 101%

These were some pieces of information we found on Japanese forums today. Because it mentions a quote from Sakurai, we believe it must be from a publication, perhaps the upcoming Famitsu Weekly, coming out in Japan today. Until we get actual magazine scans, we cannot prove this information is indeed from Famitsu.

# Starting Roster is 23. No new characters are mentioned, so this 23 is everyone on the Dojo, including Sheik and Zero Suit Samus.
# Sakurai: "Pikmin & Olimar are geared towards advanced players."
# You can break open Smash Balls with items, AT's and Pokemon.
# Ike and Dedede's forward smash attacks are insane.
# Zelda's heel (forward air) has been buffed.
# Pokemon get tired after 2 minutes, even if you use special moves. No wonder we never knew about the stamina, since PT was only played in 2 minute time matches, if this is true. It's unknown what they mean by "tired".

We'll keep you posted. Until then, feel free to discuss this and other breaking news in our forums.

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[Ch1cago88]

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[nayrk]

Ch1cago88... kinda cool info...

[Blaksmoke]

Dedede gets 4 jumps and insane attack power...nice.

[Phoenix]

I'm going to call bullcrap on your list, Zeep, sorry. I find it hard to believe that they would include three Star Fox characters, but choose ones as similar as Fox, Falco and Wolf. I think if anyone, they would mix it up with characters who could have more unique movesets, like Slippy or Krystal. Also, why would Marth be returning if Ike has a Marth costume?

As for GoG, I believe Ashley is confirmed against, as she shows up in a stage.

[Blaksmoke]

It looks like there may be a chance that Geno is in after all. Which is just.....friggin' awesome in every sense of the word.

Look at the latest voice credit. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1659668/)

Might be an assist trophy, might be a full-blown playable character. Either way, Geno equals win.

[Shadow Voa]

^ Well done, now I have my Geno playable character wishes that much closer.

Be seeing you soon too Rock/X...

[koten]

^ I don't know how reliable that list is. It contains Kazuya Mishima of the Tekken Franchise, which is impossible since there has only ever been one tekken on a Nintendo system and that was Tekken Advance on the GBA which did not include Kazuya.

[Shadow Voa]

As voice work why not? It's not like Jin is in the game, we wont see any Tekken characters of course but lots of famous voice actors have lent their talents to more then one game or console.

[Zeep]

Yeah, just because he used to do a certain voice doesn't mean he's doing the same voice in brawl. if you remember, Krystal's voice actor also posted on her personal page that she had done the voice of krystal for brawl, but krystal doesn't seem to be on any of these rumored lists.

[Phoenix]

Rumored lists don't mean much. Keep in mind either all of them or all of them but one are wrong. Plus she's on GoG's rumor list, for starters.

[Ch1cago88]

King Dedede vs. Ike

King Dedede vs Bowser

Also Kirby vs Kirby

And others

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[Blaksmoke]

Yeah, just because he used to do a certain voice doesn't mean he's doing the same voice in brawl. if you remember, Krystal's voice actor also posted on her personal page that she had done the voice of krystal for brawl, but krystal doesn't seem to be on any of these rumored lists.

The only two games Geno's been in are Super Mario RPG, where there were no VAs, and a brief cameo in Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga, where, again, he didn't speak.

[Shadow Voa]

I hope shes not in, enough furries....

[Zeep]

The only two games Geno's been in are Super Mario RPG, where there were no VAs, and a brief cameo in Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga, where, again, he didn't speak.

sorry, i didn't read the link carefully enough. i thought you had meant that it was the same voice actor from a previous game, i didn't see that geno's name was listed specifically on the imdb page.

[Phoenix]

Nintendo would make a lot of fans happy by making him playable, but I'm going to bet on him being an Assist Trophy. There's no logical reason for them not to include him in the game as at least that, while there is a logical reason to not make him playable, though many of us will disagree with it. Not enough people know who he is. This is not a very far-fetched theory, either, since the voice actor is also doing Ness, there's nothing saying they can't borrow his actor for a less-featured character.

Also: oh, hush, Voa.

[bobo_ess]

ike's a fucking tank

[ScratchedAt]

Geno.. I'd be all on it. I love Geno.

I wish they'd make a true Mario RPG sequel..

[Hisham]

King Dedede is almost certainly going to be top tier.

[bobo_ess]

i'd wish they made ryu for this, let him keep his move set, final smash would be dark ryu, he would be tough to knock off

[koten]

As voice work why not? It's not like Jin is in the game, we wont see any Tekken characters of course but lots of famous voice actors have lent their talents to more then one game or console.

Yeah, just because he used to do a certain voice doesn't mean he's doing the same voice in brawl. if you remember, Krystal's voice actor also posted on her personal page that she had done the voice of krystal for brawl, but krystal doesn't seem to be on any of these rumored lists.The page credits him as Kazuya for Brawl. That calls the whole list into question.

Nintendo would make a lot of fans happy by making him playable, but I'm going to bet on him being an Assist Trophy. There's no logical reason for them not to include him in the game as at least that, while there is a logical reason to not make him playable, though many of us will disagree with it. Not enough people know who he is. This is not a very far-fetched theory, either, since the voice actor is also doing Ness, there's nothing saying they can't borrow his actor for a less-featured character.

Also: oh, hush, Voa.I have one very simple reason. Nintendo doesn't own the rights to Geno. Square does. Look in the credits of Mario and Luigi. It says "All situations, scenarios and characters (c) Nintendo. Geno (c) Square Enix Inc. Used with permission." Or something to that effect.

[Hisham]

i'd wish they made ryu for this, let him keep his move set, final smash would be dark ryu, he would be tough to knock off

Neutral attack = Hadoken
Side attack = Tasumaki Sempukaiku(Hurricane Kick)
Up attack = Shoryuken
Final Smash = One of his supers from various games (probably Shinkuu Hadoken or Shin Shoryuken)

He coulda worked pretty well considering. It is just SF enthusiasts wouldn't like it because he doesn't have the QCF+P moves... They would just be one button and that is sorta ehh.

[Too Slow]

Awesome, I might use ROB all the time instead of my plan of using Pit and Link

[Cofey]

Not enough people know who he is.
Who honestly knew who Marth or Roy were before Melee?

How many people even knew of Mr. Game & Watch?

Geno is more recognizable now than any of these three were before the release of Melee.

[Phoenix]

Who honestly knew who Marth or Roy were before Melee?

How many people even knew of Mr. Game & Watch?

Geno is more recognizable now than any of these three were before the release of Melee.And how many of those are coming back to Brawl?

But then again Ice Climbers would be an adequate counterpoint. Yes, it's perfectly possible, but I'm just saying it's not likely.

[koten]

And how many of those are coming back to Brawl?We'll find that out this week, won't we?

[Phoenix]

Indeed, but I'm still counting on a zero. And I'm also betting on tomorrow being when it truly leaks, but I'm starting to think Wednesday will be when it actually leaks.

[Cofey]

I'm with you Phoenix: I think he'll be an assist trophy at most. I'm just pointing out that I don't think being more or less recognizable has a significant effect in this case.

[Chris]

The only two games Geno's been in are Super Mario RPG, where there were no VAs, and a brief cameo in Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga, where, again, he didn't speak.

I'm not saying that he's in it, but wouldn't they still list a voice actor for the grunts, shouts, and things of that nature?

[Shadow Voa]

Who honestly knew who Marth or Roy were before Melee?

How many people even knew of Mr. Game & Watch?

Geno is more recognizable now than any of these three were before the release of Melee.

I did (I was playing emulated Fire Emblem games for awhile since I had liked the character art as kid and loved the gameplay.)
I did (I have one of the G&W handhelds, when I saw him I remembered where I'd seen him)

And I not sure I agree with the last one, not everyone played SMRPG.

[Blaksmoke]

I think a major factor that contributed to Sakurai adding certain characters had to do with their appeal with Japanese fans. New characters like Meta Knight and DeDeDe make sense because Sakuari created the Kirby series, but I think others like Lucas and Lucario were definitely helped along by their popular appeal in Japan (or at least the fact that the Japanese actually know who they are).

But I honestly have no idea if Geno or Mario RPG itself has the cult following there like it does here.

[Mirai]

Well, one factor that could hurt Geno's inclusion is the fact Super Mario RPG never saw a PAL release.

I only know of him through emulating the game.

Still, he would make a nice addition.

[SuperLuigiBros]

No one really knew who Roy or Marth was when Melee came out, so I dont think thats too big of a problem

[koten]

Roy and Marth were included due to mass popularity in Japan and removing them in time for the North American release would have been expensive and pushed the game back.

Geno has no fan base anywhere outside of a very small cult following. Not only that but THEY DON'T OWN THE RIGHTS TO HIM! He's not going to be there. It's that easy.

[Zeep]

This appears to be a real screenshot of the starting roster:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7237/478510hn9.jpg

Now if you assume the full roster is 35 character plus one random character, that works well in that 36 icons is evenly divisible into 3 rows (of 12 icons each).

However, this contradicts my earlier source who claimed that the full roster would have 4 rows of 9. So unless the game actually adds a fourth row as you unlock characters, this may be proof against my original info.

edit: maybe this isn't a real screenshot after all. brawlcentral seems to claim that marth is an unlockable character, and not part of the starting roster, which makes sense.

[koten]

4 times 9 equals 36 also. Who is the second character in the second row?

[Blaksmoke]

Looks like Zelda/Shiek.

[Zeep]

4 times 9 equals 36 also. Who is the second character in the second row?

Zelda/Sheik.

[koten]

Impossible. That character is blond where as Zelda is a brunette in this game.

[Zeep]

The icon shows Sheik and Zelda together. Sheik is on the left, blonde. Zelda is on the right, brunette.

[koten]

Ah. I see it now.

[Blaksmoke]

It's Geno!

[nayrk]

The icon shows Sheik and Zelda together. Sheik is on the left, blonde. Zelda is on the right, brunette.

if thats the case perhaps (once again) you can pick who you want to start with... just maybe a bit "easier"/obvious.

[Zeep]

Can I just call attention to this thread again? Anyone wanna compare this list to the confirmed list?

[SuperLuigiBros]

You totally edited it after.


* Although these characters were "clones" in Melee, they now have fully unique move sets.

** Basically a replacement of Young Link, WW Link also has a unique move set.
I think this part is wrong...

[Zeep]

Alright, so their moves aren't completely unique. they're definitely more than clones, though.