Lost Season 4 -SPOILERS WITHIN-

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Hey guys, what did everyone think?

Did you guys catch Christian Shephard chilling in Jacob's shack?

What about Hugo denying having known Anna-Lucia?

And what is Hugo holding back that Jack knows about?



And for the love of me, do not post spoiler tags within this thread.

[DankHero]

I saw it and i don't know what to think really.

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I was disappointed to be honest. But apparently everyone else loved it. I don't think it topped Season 3's opener.

[LiquidEagle]

Hey guys, what did everyone think?

Thought it was great :-D

Did you guys catch Christian Shephard chilling in Jacob's shack?

Didn't catch a good enough glimpse of him, I figured we just weren't supposed to know :-p

What about Hugo denying having known Anna-Lucia?

That was very interesting, I'm wondering if they made some kind of agreement when they left that they wouldn't discuss anything or something like that...

And what is Hugo holding back that Jack knows about?

This is indeed interesting, Jack's being made a villain more and more now, so I'm interested to see where that all goes, but I'm guessing Jack went to some extreme lengths to get off the island and may have gotten the rest killed or something like that... I'm really interested to see how this division goes down and when Hurley goes back to Jack.

I think it's really cool the way they're flash forwarding now. They've set up all the characters' back stories, and now it seems to be looking forward and that's creating a lot of cool opportunities for how the story unfolds. Of course they may go back to normal with the next episode for all I know :laugh:

[<3frosty]

I dont remember season 3's opener to be honest, but i just know this has kept alot of the momentum from the season 3 finale going. Can't wait for more.

[the poe collector]

I thought it was really good, the beginning started off kind of weird but then they got things moving along well.

why would Hurley see Jack's dad? He doesn't know anything about him.

Hurley said he was part of the "Oceanic 6", and we know Jack and Kate made it too, so I wonder who the other 3 people are.

I was hoping Locke would be the right choice to lead everyone, but Hurley made it sound like following him turned out to be a huge mistake.

[r33hash]

Alright. Here are my ideas.

First, I expected more from the premier. I expected to learn more answers about the questions left by Season 3's finale. Like who was in the coffin. And who the rescuers were affiliated with.

Also, I don't think Hurley saw Christian Shephard in the cabin. I think he saw Jacob. We know that Locke can see Jacob thanks to Ben taking him there. We also know that when Locke wants answers, he does everything he can to get them. Obviously, after the freakish incident in the cabin and Ben's desire to keep Locke from knowing, Locke's curiosity was peaked. I believe that Jacob, Walt, and Locke may have a connection. Besides, that was the rocking chair that Jacob was seen sitting in the first time.

As for the "Oceanic 6", there are many things that this could mean. Obviously there are six who came back. Obviously three of them are Kate, Jack, and Hurley. But in the Season finale, Kate stated that she was staying with someone, and it seemed to weigh heavily on Jack's heart. This implies that Sawyer and Kate are living together.

There are two spots left til fill the "Oceanic 6", if Sawyer is assumed to be off the island as well. We know that Sun is pregnant, and if she does not get off the island before she has her child, she will more than likely die. This makes you wonder if the writers were willing to kill her off later in the show, or let her get off the island. Or maybe she'll have the baby and be fine.

As for the secret that Hurley and Jack share, I believe that they agreed with the "rescuers" that they would tell the world that the rest of the passengers died. This agreement is what allowed them to leave, but now they are regretting this decision. Well, Hurley is regretting it. Jack regrets it later, as we know from the Season 3 finale.

[Gilly]

It was fucking awesome.
I pretty much agree with what everyone else said

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TPTB (the powers that be) have said that the Jack flash-forward we saw at the end of last season is NOT the final point in the show, which is rather interesting.

I am not really sure we'll find out who was in the coffin in these eight episodes. I mean that seems to be pretty pivotal and is an issue between Kate and Jack.

r33ksofhash, I also think that Oceanic 6 is a little misleading. Perfect example is that lawyer guy who come to visit and tries to take Hurley to some other facility of 'theirs' and forcibly asks if "they're still alive". Hmmmmm.

I also don't think Sawyer got off the island. I think part of Jack's downfall included her leaving him which could account for her not wanting to talk to Jack at the airport at the end of S3.

[speed stick]

I thought it was pretty decent. And yeah it started kinda weird but got back to itself later on.

[<3frosty]

Well, i think a spot can be assumed to be taken by whoever was in that coffin. Obviously, it seems that the people that got left on the island wouldnt be given coffins as no one seems to know if they are alive or dead. I assume one of the "...6" is in that coffin, so if we assume Sawyer and an unknown got off, that leaves 1 spot.

http://g.photos.cx/jacob01a-5fa.jpg

Also, this looks like Jack's dad to me. Perhaps Jacob was the face that was flashed?

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Hmm, I'm waiting for another screencap.

[the poe collector]

TPTB (the powers that be) have said that the Jack flash-forward we saw at the end of last season is NOT the final point in the show, which is rather interesting.

Man, I'd hope not. That would be the most depressing ending...

I didn't go into the premiere expecting a lot of questions to get answered, like the coffin. That seems like something that would be answered after a few more flash-forwards.

I liked the bit with Jack talking about growing a beard and then Hurley saying he'd look weird.

Even in the brief time he was on-screen, I was sure that was Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair.
Or Jacob taking his form, whatever.

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Yeah let me clear that up, I don't think that Christian was in the chair but that was him. Like visually.

[the poe collector]

For anyone who's seen the last LOST: Missing Pieces video, what did you think of it?

[LiquidEagle]

The Watch?

I thought it was a nice moment between Jack & his dad (rare), but was there something more to it, or some significance with it? The only thing that comes to mind is that it may be the same watch Jin goes nuts over in Season 1, but that's it.

[haunted leg]

i see the missing pieces as being things that they've just now realized they need to have in the show to make it all make sense. and they just added some other hurley scenes for the ladies.

[the poe collector]

The Watch?

I thought it was a nice moment between Jack & his dad (rare), but was there something more to it, or some significance with it?

No, that was one of the earlier videos. The one I'm talking about is called "So It Begins" and also involves Jack's dad, but it looks to be a lot more important to the show.

[LiquidEagle]

Ah, that one. That one definitely can explain where Vincent goes whenever he ran off, or how he'd be at the right place at the right time... That one and the one with the dead birds seem real important :)

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Some people seem to think that Smokey is behind these people appearing on the island alive.

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Well the dead birds relate to Walt's psychic powers. That was discussed on the BluRay disc extra features.

Room 23 is also the same room were they kept Carl.

[LiquidEagle]

Some people seem to think that Smokey is behind these people appearing on the island alive.

:laugh: at first I thought you were talking about our forum mate Smokey!

I definitely wouldn't put it past it to be able to do that.

I haven't watched any special features on the DVDs/Blu Rays so I'm in the dark about that stuff, so I found that Missing Pieces episode to be particular interesting :)

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Yeah, the last one "So it Begins" was the best, at least in my opinion.

I think that one was also key since we SEE Christian with white shoes. And whoever is sitting in Jacob's chair is also wearing white shoes.

[³¹¹]

MUCH HAPPIER this week.

Very interesting that they are after Ben. But Ben has someone on the ship?!? Awesome.

I found it a little weird that the people who just landed had some wild moments when they found out that Oceanic 815 was found. Like, it was almost like Bioshocks "would you kindly", they became like programmed. Weird.

It was nice to see that Abbadon was in charge of hiring this team. He was the black guy who talked to Hurley last week for those who don't know his name.

And I guess the question about Naomi's sister is put to rest. But I can only imagine that she probably does have a sister. That seems like a thing TPTB would do.

[<3frosty]

I thought there was some great moments in this episode. I especially liked the fact that they showed each one when they found out about the wreckage.


Zoe Bell is supposed to be a new cast member soon, i assume she will appear in the next episode.


EDIT: I found out she will be in the 7th episode, which is supposed to be super shocking.

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I forgot to add that the best part was that a polar bear collar from the Hydra Station was found OFF ISLAND.

[the poe collector]

So far all of the new characters are interesting. I really like Daniel and the helicopter pilot (can't remember his name).

I'm glad we found out the reason for the ship being there. I thought that was something we'd have to wonder about for a while.

Ben is awesome. I love how even when he's a prisoner he can be in control and manipulate people.

[haunted leg]

i love the mustache they slapped on greg grunberg in the news report picture.

[<3frosty]

Ben is easily my favorite character of the entire show. Has been since season 3.

And yes, finding the Hydra collar off island was VERY interesting.

[seahorse]

ben is the fucking don.
i liked the bit when sayid turned up in the jungle, i was like "ha! miles you fuck!"

...i love lost.

[r33hash]

So, if they are after Ben, why did the captive woman from the helicopter (don't know her name) not seem shocked when she saw him? Or was shot by him? Do you think that maybe she has alterior motives than the rest of the heli-crew? Maybe she's the only one who knows anything about Dharma. She did discover the collar, and gave a very interesting reaction when she found it.

[seahorse]

she probably just didn't wanna try anything on her own. she was kind of outnumbered. and she did look fairly surprised when she first was them...

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah, last night's was great... Miles is a douche and I'm trying to like the other members a lot. It's hard to like Dan when it's the same actor who was a complete piece of crap in Rescue Dawn :-p.

Anyways, I fucking hate Ben. With his bug eyes and weasel-like features :laugh: I smiled pretty much every time Sawyer punched his stupid face :-D

So as for the team going for Ben, could it be that Dharma knows Ben & Richard & Co. seized the island, and they hired these guys to take him down and restore control? Or maybe this is a company that's been monitoring Dharma for awhile and all the crazy shit they do, and they're trying to put a halt to some of the more objectionable stuff by sending a team onto the island and taking whom they think is the leader?

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Yeah, that is a good point r33ks. Why didn't she do anything or better yet, why didn't Ben say something first? Who is this inside source of his?

For some strange reason I don't think we've seen the last of Annie, Ben's little school mate who carved him out of wood. Maybe not this season but some time.

And yes, Charlotte's reaction to the Dharma collar was creepy, as if she were Indiana Jones and this were a clue to the grail.

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I was just reading one of the larger fan sites and some people have some interesting things to say.

First off, they think that it's Michael on the boat. Ben gave him a bearing right towards the freighter. They stay in contact somehow, not sure.

An even interesting twist was that we think Ben tried to kill Charlotte but couldn't get past the kevlar, indicating he didn't know about the vest from his source.

But he in fact did know and shot her to 'reveal' who she really was, and not some rescuer.

And finally possibly a tough theory to digest due to its complexity (wormholes and time travel), one person stated that the reason why Dharma was breeding polar bears was for time/wormhole travel. Polar bears only belong in one climate, so out of the many different environment they would stick out in almost all of them. So why not send one through and see where it ends up? Obviously Dharma never found it.

Interesting...

[DankHero]

I was just reading one of the larger fan sites and some people have some interesting things to say.

First off, they think that it's Michael on the boat. Ben gave him a bearing right towards the freighter. They stay in contact somehow, not sure.

An even interesting twist was that we think Ben tried to kill Charlotte but couldn't get past the kevlar, indicating he didn't know about the vest from his source.

But he in fact did know and shot her to 'reveal' who she really was, and not some rescuer.

And finally possibly a tough theory to digest due to its complexity (wormholes and time travel), one person stated that the reason why Dharma was breeding polar bears was for time/wormhole travel. Polar bears only belong in one climate, so out of the many different environment they would stick out in almost all of them. So why not send one through and see where it ends up? Obviously Dharma never found it.

Interesting...

I agree with the Michael one because he is in fact coming back. The other two hypothesis are very interesting also, but i'm not sure i believe them but i guess that does beg the question how Lockes father got there when he did (i don't remember if that was explained.)

[r33hash]

I think that Michael and Walt are on the freighter as well. It would explain who Ben's contact is (Michael more than likely thinks the people on the freighter are bad, and thinks he is helping his "friends" on the island by informing Ben of what is going on). On the other hand, Walt is Locke's informant. Michael is constantly confiding in Walt with delicate information, and Walt is doin his telekinetic thing and talking to Locke. It provides a nice little good vs. evil combo between Ben vs. Locke and Michael vs. Walt. Also, when Ben gave Michael the boat, Walt, and the coordinates to follow, he told him that he would find "rescue", which is the theme of this season.

I also believe that Penny's father is the man behind Dharma, and that Dharma is running the freighter operation in order to acquire Ben because they know what he did to the Dharma team. I also believe that Dharma's true reason for being on the island revolved around harnessing the electromagnetic anomaly as a weapon of some kind (or time travel). If this is the case, then I believe that Desmond must be one of the Oceanic 6, because it would make his role in the show much more significant.

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We'll be seeing Mr. Widmore this season; reeks, you are pretty much on the right path.

I don't know if Dezzy will make it off the island. I think that kind of falls under being a great thing and Ms. Hawking (the one that refuses to sell him the ring) tells him that the only great thing that he'll do in his life is push that button.

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I'm late replying to this thread, was wayyyyy too baked last night to even see straight.

I'm re-watching the episode right now but I thought the ending was fucked. Almost a little far-fetched with Ben being the boss. Because it seems his voice was altered throughout the first 41:30 minutes of the show and then the last 30 seconds is his real one. Weird.

We got to see that Jacob's shack is no longer remaining in one place. Very weird.

And Ben is a vet? Hmmmm...

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After re-watching, it seems my initial response to Ben being the boss was incorrect. A second viewing made things appear more clear and let me understand what is most likely happening. And as far as Ben's voice goes, he disguises it well but after you know it's him you can see that his vocal characteristics are there yet different enough to second guess it.

[r33hash]

Well, on the island at the moment, Ben has not only had the shit beat out of him multiple times in just a few days, but he is also more than likely running on empty. This would no doubt affect the strength of his voice. Also, Ben is very good at vocal disguise, as indicated when he was caught by Russo and dawned the innocent bystander aura. He sounded brittle and helpless, which we all believed for a moment. So it only makes sense that Ben can sound unyeildingly confident when he wants to.

I think that Sayid is after the same people who are after Hurley and the rest of the Oceanic 6. I think those people are affiliated with Dharma, which is why Ben is coaxing Sayid into assasination mode.

Basically, it goes like this. Ben killed the Dharma on the Island. Dharma wants Ben for justification purposes. People get off the Island. Dharma wants to question them about Ben and the occurances on the Island. Ben wants the Dharma Initiative eliminated because they want him eliminated. Sayid, Hurley, and the rest of the Oceanic 6 are simply caught in the middle.

That's my theory anyway.

[<3frosty]

I was just reading one of the larger fan sites and some people have some interesting things to say.

First off, they think that it's Michael on the boat. Ben gave him a bearing right towards the freighter. They stay in contact somehow, not sure.

An even interesting twist was that we think Ben tried to kill Charlotte but couldn't get past the kevlar, indicating he didn't know about the vest from his source.

But he in fact did know and shot her to 'reveal' who she really was, and not some rescuer.

And finally possibly a tough theory to digest due to its complexity (wormholes and time travel), one person stated that the reason why Dharma was breeding polar bears was for time/wormhole travel. Polar bears only belong in one climate, so out of the many different environment they would stick out in almost all of them. So why not send one through and see where it ends up? Obviously Dharma never found it.

Interesting...


That actually makes a ton of sense. Wow. Thats pretty interesting idea. They did have them captive on the island after all.

[<3frosty]

I'm late replying to this thread, was wayyyyy too baked last night to even see straight.

I'm re-watching the episode right now but I thought the ending was fucked. Almost a little far-fetched with Ben being the boss. Because it seems his voice was altered throughout the first 41:30 minutes of the show and then the last 30 seconds is his real one. Weird.

We got to see that Jacob's shack is no longer remaining in one place. Very weird.

And Ben is a vet? Hmmmm...

Because of Hurley, we know Jacob's cabin moves within that space i guess. Locke didnt seem to go beyond the barrier of sand when he first didnt see the cabin, but that doesnt mean the cabin wasnt still within the barrier but hidden. At a different area.

Locke knows the island pretty well, and i dont doubt he was looking at the exact same spot where he first encountered the cabin, thus why he didnt attempt to look further.

[<3frosty]

Something interesting i found on wikipedia talking about the time travel theme, was this, Also in the episode "Confirmed Dead" a polar bear is uncovered in a dig - possibly the same polar bear Sawyer shot in season 1.


Remember, we see the Oceanic 815 ship undersea in the real world, perhaps this is also part of the element that some things arent quite the same OFF the island.

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I don't know if it can qualify as the same bear. We know Dharma had quite a few bears on that island(s). What about the one that took Eko?

If you guys have the chance, go to youtube and search for the Orchid Orientation video. It'll open up some new theories.

[haunted leg]

Remember, we see the Oceanic 815 ship undersea in the real world, perhaps this is also part of the element that some things arent quite the same OFF the island.

If you guys have the chance, go to youtube and search for the Orchid Orientation video. It'll open up some new theories.
it's interesting, that video, it got me thinking about the plane that they show in confirmed dead. it's broken in the same points that the plane broke apart in over the island and the cockpit has its glass broken at about the same point that the cockpit on the island's glass was broken to pull the pilot out.

i think it either has to do with the prestige style teleportation in the orchid video, i'm not sure if this would be something that goes through space and time the video is unclear but if we assume that whoever is backing the freighter people can do this what if they just collected the pieces of the plane, put the bodies back into the plane and sent it through a device that does what is shown in the orchid video and what everyone is seeing in the past is something that has already been done in the future, for example there could be a scene where frank the helicopter pilot removes the ring from his dead friend to give to his wife.

of course that's a thought that brings about the question of broken timeline's and iterations of timelines, but it's not so outlandish to use the completely implausible second iteration that influences the first iteration, terminator did it.

[LiquidEagle]

Very interesting theories here... But couldn't the plane just be Dharma/Oceanic faking the deaths of everybody aboard 815 just so there wouldn't be any more questions into their whereabouts? It could also explain the settlement that the Oceanic 6 apparently got...

[<3frosty]

I don't know if it can qualify as the same bear. We know Dharma had quite a few bears on that island(s). What about the one that took Eko?

If you guys have the chance, go to youtube and search for the Orchid Orientation video. It'll open up some new theories.

The one that took Eko? You mean, the black smoke? A polar bear didnt kill Eko...:whip:

[the poe collector]

there was an episode last season where Locke couldn't speak and he had this vision thing with Boone who told him to save Eko, who was in a cave playing cards with the polar bears.

[<3frosty]

there was an episode last season where Locke couldn't speak and he had this vision thing with Boone who told him to save Eko, who was in a cave playing cards with the polar bears.

I remember Boone having a vision that Shannon got killed by the black smoke i believe, but not of Mr Eko. Either way, a bear didnt kill Eko.

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Hopefully you didn't read my 'took' as a 'took his life'. It was a 'hel him captive' type of took.

Anyway, Poe's got it. Locke has to go save Eko from some cave and he brings in a can of hair spray and a torch and singes the bear that is in the cave with Eko.

Then some episodes later Eko dies from the Black Smoke.

[<3frosty]

Hopefully you didn't read my 'took' as a 'took his life'. It was a 'hel him captive' type of took.

Anyway, Poe's got it. Locke has to go save Eko from some cave and he brings in a can of hair spray and a torch and singes the bear that is in the cave with Eko.

Then some episodes later Eko dies from the Black Smoke.

Now i remember that scene. :pinky:

The hair spray and using it like a blow torch helped. :thumbl:

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Apparently Carlton Cuse met with ABC to allow 5 more episodes to be shot for this season!!!! I'm too lazy right now to go get the link but if you go to www.lostpedia.org, it's on the main page.

Great news. It also says that there would be like a 4/5 week gap in between these freshly filmed episodes.

[<3frosty]

Apparently Carlton Cuse met with ABC to allow 5 more episodes to be shot for this season!!!! I'm too lazy right now to go get the link but if you go to www.lostpedia.org, it's on the main page.

Great news. It also says that there would be like a 4/5 week gap in between these freshly filmed episodes.

Yea, most LOST fans already knew about the extra episodes.... :whip:


But, this doesnt look like a guarantee either. The trouble is that remaining in the current time slot will be a problem because Grey's Anatomy bring in more viewers from what i remember and has owned the currently LOST timeslot for quite a while. More then likely, it will get pushed back to 9 cst.

[r33hash]

A pushback in time is not a problem. Just give us the damned episodes!

[<3frosty]

A pushback in time is not a problem. Just give us the damned episodes!

Couldn't agree more. But it sucks for viewers that cant be flexible and already planned it out to watch the show at the current set time.

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Omg. Huge Ending. Omg. Omg. Cant Believe It. Omg>

[r33hash]

This episode was chock full of information.

[³¹¹]

Can't wait to watch this again.

Locke had a fucking brilliant moment in the boathouse with Miles.

And thankfully Claire doesn't make it much further than just into the helicopter.

Interesting conversation between Ben and Miles.

And I think we learned more about Faraday and his 'problem'. When he can't remember the cards when they are flipped over directly relates to his crying when he saw Oceanic 815. Something with short-term memory.

[the poe collector]

Another great Locke moment, right up there with blowing up the sub and knifing that chick in the back.

I've wanted Claire gone for so long, all she ever did was bitch at Charlie and scream about that baby.

I thought it was funny how Sawyer called Kate out on jumping back and forth between him and Jack every week.

[LiquidEagle]

As soon as Kate said she wasn't pregnant I called that her son would be Aaron, I gasped real loud and my friends all looked at me :laugh:

One question though -- does Aaron count as one of the Oceanic 6?

[<3frosty]

I think Aaron would be an obvious part of the Oceanic 6, BUT, everyone thinks it is Kate's baby. And either way, i doubt Oceanic would take responsibility for an unborn baby at the time of the crash. Especially if Kate is seen to not be pregnant before she crashes on the island.

More then likely, Aaron wont be part of the Oceanic 6 imo. Which means there are still 2 people left.

Additionally, we can be pretty safe to assume its not Sawyer that was awaiting Kate in the airport scene with Jack in the season finale. She said she had to get back to "him", but i dont think anyone realized it might be a baby she was referring to. At least, i didnt really hear anyone mention that. But its obvious now who she was referring to.

IS she pregnant though? I remember her using a pregnancy test for some reason and i thought it was positive aka she was pregnant.


What an episode though, and i love what Locke did to Miles. HAHAHAHA

[r33hash]

Ya, I don't think they are going to be so obvious about one of the main characters not making it off the Island already (Claire is a main character, even if she hasn't done much in the past couple of seasons). The baby could still verywell be Kate's, and she could've named her baby in honor of Aaron from the Island.

One thing to note. Notice how old Kate's child was. That child was easily 3 years old. If it was Claire's baby, then that would place them being off the Island for what? 2 years now? If it was Kate's child, that means that they have been off the Island 3 to 4 years by then. Of course, a case of the calibur that Kate was involved in would take a long time to prepare, so either time frame is possible. Also take into consideration the fact that Jack lied on the stand about the events occuring on the Island. When him and Kate meet in the parking garage, Kate says something like "I've heard you say that so many times, I'm starting to believe it myself". That also gives clues about the timeframe.

As for Daniel... I definitely linked the short term memory loss to his first appearance when he was watching the news report. The significance is still not clear though.

We are also learning things about Miles. His main motivation appears to be money, even though he has a supernatural ability. He went to Eko's grandmother's house with the sole purpose of thieving the money from his room. He also went to Ben for the sole purpose of earning the extra buck. He is also willing to "take care of Charlotte" and lie to his superiors about Ben for the cash.

Now, obviously the helicopter did not crash. The next episode appears to occur mostly on the boat. Desmond is going to be involved heavily in the storyline. My girlfriend suggested that he encounters serious problems on the boat, but at the end of the preview, it shows Desmond confronting Daniel briefly. So, either Daniel goes back to the boat, or Desmond goes back to the Island. We know that Sayid is ok, because he makes it off the Island.

Also, did anyone notice the out-of-place burley looking man that appeared to be yelling at Kate when she was walking through the news reporters and media? At the beginning of the episode immediately after she exited the limo. I thought it was strikingly out-of-place.

[seahorse]

yeah, i noticed that guy, haha.

i think the chopper will arrive on the boat safe and sound. they'll be like "wow, what a nice, safe, normal journey. only took us like 20 minutes."
and then the boat lot will be like "yeah, more like 3 days, lol."

i also think it'll be michael on the boat, cause when they left, ben told them "stay on this bearing and you will be found" or something. and so when michael got to the boat he would have been like "yeah, ben sent me on this bearing" then the boat crew would have been like "holy shit, lol, ben?!" and organised and sent out the chopper crew back along that same bearing. that's what at the end of last week's episode it was important for them to stick to the exact bearing they came in on. otherwise they would have ended up doing a desmond. "we're trapped in a bloody snowglobe!"

/theory


and haha, i thought sawyer was going to rape kate.


edit: and i'm pretty sure aaron is one of the six, they planned to reveal another survivor in that episode.i'm not sure how it's all going to tie in though. maybe she pretended to be pregnant for a while... it seems that jack thinks it's sawyer's baby. why else would he not want to see him?

i liked it at the start when locke told ben to re-read his book cause he might catch something he missed the first time, and then ben told locke he was "lost."

[<3frosty]

Ya, I don't think they are going to be so obvious about one of the main characters not making it off the Island already (Claire is a main character, even if she hasn't done much in the past couple of seasons). The baby could still verywell be Kate's, and she could've named her baby in honor of Aaron from the Island.

One thing to note. Notice how old Kate's child was. That child was easily 3 years old. If it was Claire's baby, then that would place them being off the Island for what? 2 years now? If it was Kate's child, that means that they have been off the Island 3 to 4 years by then. Of course, a case of the calibur that Kate was involved in would take a long time to prepare, so either time frame is possible. Also take into consideration the fact that Jack lied on the stand about the events occuring on the Island. When him and Kate meet in the parking garage, Kate says something like "I've heard you say that so many times, I'm starting to believe it myself". That also gives clues about the timeframe.

I noticed the timeframe references as well. Could be a number of things.


As for Daniel... I definitely linked the short term memory loss to his first appearance when he was watching the news report. The significance is still not clear though. I dont see why yall think his crying during the news report is significant or a sign of him having short term memory. I didnt catch the very beginning of that episode, but i remember someone coming by asking him why he was crying or something along those lines.


We are also learning things about Miles. His main motivation appears to be money, even though he has a supernatural ability. He went to Eko's grandmother's house with the sole purpose of thieving the money from his room. He also went to Ben for the sole purpose oflol."

[QUOTE]i also think it'll be michael on the boat, cause when they left, ben told them "stay on this bearing and you will be found" or something. and so when michael got to the boat he would have been like "yeah, ben sent me on this bearing" then the boat crew would have been like "holy shit, lol, ben?!" You really think Ben would send Michael over there with the idea of having them send people BACK after him? I can see the spy scenario becoming a big part of that.

edit: and i'm pretty sure aaron is one of the six, they planned to reveal another survivor in that episode.i'm not sure how it's all going to tie in though. maybe she pretended to be pregnant for a while... it seems that jack thinks it's sawyer's baby. why else would he not want to see him?


You still think it's Sawyer's baby? And you dont think he would be pissed at Kate if she indeed stole the baby from Claire?

[seahorse]

You really think Ben would send Michael over there with the idea of having them send people BACK after him? I can see the spy scenario becoming a big part of that.

i dunno, i just came up with that before.
i think maybe michael is being blackmailed by ben or something. he somehow forced michael to get the information of the boat crew back to him. and walt came back using his special powers or whatever to warn locke that they are bad people.... christ, i have no idea.

but it seems that time moves quicker off the island. hence walt being "taller" and the 30 minte delay.



You still think it's Sawyer's baby? And you dont think he would be pissed at Kate if she indeed stole the baby from Claire?

i don't think it's sawyer's baby... but i have no idea why jack wouldn't want to see him. i doubt kate would steal a baby.

[r33hash]

I noticed the timeframe references as well. Could be a number of things.


I dont see why yall think his crying during the news report is significant or a sign of him having short term memory. I didnt catch the very beginning of that episode, but i remember someone coming by asking him why he was crying or something along those lines.


[QUOTE]We are also learning things about Miles. His main motivation appears to be money, even though he has a supernatural ability. He went to Eko's grandmother's house with the sole purpose of thieving the money from his room. He also went to Ben for the sole purpose oflol."

You really think Ben would send Michael over there with the idea of having them send people BACK after him? I can see the spy scenario becoming a big part of that.



You still think it's Sawyer's baby? And you dont think he would be pissed at Kate if she indeed stole the baby from Claire?

Daniel was not only crying during the news report of Oceanic 815's discovery, but when the woman (his caretaker, also alleviating to the idea that he has a problem of some kind that he needs assistance with) asks him why he is crying, Daniel says "I... I don't know". He doesn't know because of his memory loss issues.

[<3frosty]

Daniel was not only crying during the news report of Oceanic 815's discovery, but when the woman (his caretaker, also alleviating to the idea that he has a problem of some kind that he needs assistance with) asks him why he is crying, Daniel says "I... I don't know". He doesn't know because of his memory loss issues.

You really jumbled things up above... :spit:


But, i see what you are getting at now. Obviously he has a connection to the crash victims/survivors if he was crying. Unless he just gets emotional for no reason.

[r33hash]

Well, i was responding to the stuff i quoted from you. I knew I should've deleted that other stuff.

[<3frosty]

Well, i was responding to the stuff i quoted from you. I knew I should've deleted that other stuff.

I know what you were attempting to do. The execution just wasnt complete. :thumbl:

[³¹¹]

I think Aaron is Claire's Aaron. Sure there are some time differences that make it unrealistic but I think intention of the scene was to tell people that it is Claire's baby.

And not to help the situation much but an interview with Matthew Fox says that between the time between the island Jack and 'shattered flash-forward' Jack is a year and a half.

"If you're going to talk about from Jack in the plane crash to Jack in the future, that's about a year-and-a-half, and Jack on the island now would be about 120 days."

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/02/fox-talks-about-lost-in-future.html

[LiquidEagle]

I still think there are all kinds of circumstances that could have occured for Kate to have Claire's baby. We know Claire makes it to the chopper, and I think Claire may be hurt or in an accident, and she entrusts her child to Kate (for reasons beyond our knowledge right now)... Also there are plenty of reasons why Jack wouldn't want to see Claire/Kate's baby, it could simply be the fact that he delivered the child on the island and it would be too much for him... something like that.

Is there any official word though on whether or not Aaron's part of the Oceanic 6?

[seahorse]

they were supposed to reveal another oceanic 6 member last night, i guess that must have been aaron.

[the poe collector]

Also there are plenty of reasons why Jack wouldn't want to see Claire/Kate's baby, it could simply be the fact that he delivered the child on the island and it would be too much for him... something like that.

there's also the storyline with Jack and Claire being related. I mean, he's got to find out eventually... maybe she dies because of something he does and so he feels too guilty about it to even see the kid.

[LiquidEagle]

there's also the storyline with Jack and Claire being related. I mean, he's got to find out eventually... maybe she dies because of something he does and so he feels too guilty about it to even see the kid.

Very good point :) I always forget about the whole Jack/Claire relation...

Also, I don't think it's Aaron that Kate is referring to in the Season 3 finale when she says he'll "wonder where she is," it still could mean Sawyer, and I don't think it would be a major problem if Aaron was wondering where she was as much as it would be if it were her lover/husband/whatever.

Personal opinion there though, just how I read it.

[<3frosty]

Very good point :) I always forget about the whole Jack/Claire relation...

Also, I don't think it's Aaron that Kate is referring to in the Season 3 finale when she says he'll "wonder where she is," it still could mean Sawyer, and I don't think it would be a major problem if Aaron was wondering where she was as much as it would be if it were her lover/husband/whatever.

Personal opinion there though, just how I read it.

Ahh, your memory is a bit better than mine apparently. But not that you mention it, your right. She did use that phrasing. Interesting...

[³¹¹]

I don't think Kate ends up with Sawyer. I

I do think Kate was referring to Aaron in the S3 finale. Since we know that he would've aged from the trial to that scene.

However, I did forget to draw the possible connection between Claire/Jack and how he doesn't want to see the baby.

[r33hash]

One thing a friend of mine pointed out...

In the preview for last week's episode, they stated that another of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed. The only possible person that could have been was Aaron, which tells us for a fact that it is Claire's Aaron.

[³¹¹]

Hmmmm. I don't know how I feel about that since he was not on the manifest, so technically he isn't an Oceanic 6.

BUT he did survive the plane crash.

[LiquidEagle]

Expanding upon my previous post, I think it may actually be Kate's probation officer that may be wondering where she is if she's off meeting Jack in the middle of the night... either that or Ben. I was thinking maybe Ben made Jack, Kate, & Hurley agree upon a story to tell people or else he would do something to Sayid, and he's telling Sayid to kill these people or else he'll hurt Jack/Kate/Hurley... some kind of arrangement like that where Ben has both groups doing what he wants to protect the others... I dunno though lol.

[<3frosty]

Expanding upon my previous post, I think it may actually be Kate's probation officer that may be wondering where she is if she's off meeting Jack in the middle of the night... either that or Ben. I was thinking maybe Ben made Jack, Kate, & Hurley agree upon a story to tell people or else he would do something to Sayid, and he's telling Sayid to kill these people or else he'll hurt Jack/Kate/Hurley... some kind of arrangement like that where Ben has both groups doing what he wants to protect the others... I dunno though lol.

You lost me on Ben doing something to Sayid. And Sayid doing this because he is threatened that Ben would do something to Kate/Hurley/Jack. But, i agree. It could very well be her probation officer, as that probably wouldnt look good going off to an air port.

Maybe Ben, because he doesnt want them to go back or something. But i doubt that angle will be played. I think it is either her probation officer or Aaron.

[haunted leg]

in case anyone was curious, because i was, about why it was called eggtown. eggtown refers to a place where you get bad deals. a long time ago when traveling salesmen were more common and actually would barter for things the lowest thing you could get in a trade would be something like an egg because it's so perishable and likely only usable for your food and not something you could trade again. so they would tell so-and-so not to go to portland because it's an eggtown.

[r33hash]

I'm starting to think that, even though Ben was the ultimate enemy for the Losties on the Island, off the Island, Ben is not their greatest threat. I'm thinking that Ben and the Losties actually are forced to start working together. I believe that Sayid is not being forced by Ben to kill these people, but forced by the need to survive and keep his friends safe to kill these people. I feel like their ultimate goal is to protect the remaining people that they left behind on the Island.

Also, we are forgetting about a missing group of people. The hostiles that Ben was in charge of up until the point of his most recent capture. Richard Alpart, the man who initially made contact with Ben before he became a hostile and killed the Dharma crew, has completely disappeared. I've got theories about this guy, but I'll same them for another post. All I'm going to say is, he seems to be more significant of a character than the show is letting on.

[<3frosty]

I'm starting to think that, even though Ben was the ultimate enemy for the Losties on the Island, off the Island, Ben is not their greatest threat. I'm thinking that Ben and the Losties actually are forced to start working together. I believe that Sayid is not being forced by Ben to kill these people, but forced by the need to survive and keep his friends safe to kill these people. I feel like their ultimate goal is to protect the remaining people that they left behind on the Island.

Also, we are forgetting about a missing group of people. The hostiles that Ben was in charge of up until the point of his most recent capture. Richard Alpart, the man who initially made contact with Ben before he became a hostile and killed the Dharma crew, has completely disappeared. I've got theories about this guy, but I'll same them for another post. All I'm going to say is, he seems to be more significant of a character than the show is letting on.

Unfortunately, i think he might have had a big role in the show, but it was cut short by none other than himself. Although i doubt he was THAT influential on the over arching story.

He went on to play Richard Alpert for several episodes in the third season of Lost, and was offered a role as a series regular for Season 4, but he declined and took up the show Cane. Per Wikipedia. I heard this from several other sources numerous times as well.

[r33hash]

Hm.

Well then... lol.

I'll have to revise my thoughts.

[LiquidEagle]

I didn't know that! That's crazy...

Anyways, I think Richard was definitely going to be a major character -- he never aged, and he was there before Ben...

In regards to what I said about Ben that didn't make sense to you <3frosty... R33hash has a much better idea :-p

[NoZ]

Lost requires too much thinking now. They have over done it in my opinion.

[seahorse]

i think that sometimes, but i stilll love watching it.

[r33hash]

I just love how certain things from the past episodes come into play eventually in new episodes. Such as Locke's missing kidney actually saving his life after he was shot in the exact spot the kidney should've been.

A friend of mine has a theory that is comparable to Bioshock's ultimate story twist. He thinks that a majority of the people on the Island are actually brainwashed, and that is the reason why they see the things that they do (like Kate seeing the black horse from her past, and Hurley seeing Dave).

[<3frosty]

Lost requires too much thinking now. They have over done it in my opinion.

Too much compared to what? The average television show which requires little to no thinking?

Ill take the thinking man's TV show any day.

[seahorse]

it just occured to me that aaron is jack's nephew. maybe he found out about him and claire being siblings afterwards and it got a bit weird for him. maybe he betrayed claire somehow on the island and doesn't want to see him.

dgfcuwhrgfcykugcykuwrf

[<3frosty]

it just occured to me that aaron is jack's nephew. maybe he found out about him and claire being siblings afterwards and it got a bit weird for him. maybe he betrayed claire somehow on the island and doesn't want to see him.

dgfcuwhrgfcykugcykuwrf

What episode revealed that Jack and Claire are related. I dont remember that at all.

[r33hash]

It was the episode about Ana Lucia's past. Her and Christian (Jack's father) were at the airport bar, and Christian hired her to be like a bodyguard while he went on his trip. They flew to Australia and were basically vacationing til Ana made him say why they were really there. Christian went to this house and attempted to see the Claire, but Claire's mother would not let him. Shortly after this, Christian and Sawyer run into each other in a small Australian bar.

[³¹¹]

As far as Aaron being one of the Oceanic6

"
Notes from the Official LOST Podcast (there may be spoilers in this post beginning now):
Kate is indeed one of the Oceanic Six (we figured this out from Eggtown anyway)
"The remaining two are going to be very tricky."
We'll know the other two "soon," before the end of the season
Presumably Aaron was one of them, although the executive producers didn't say so"

[LiquidEagle]

lol, this Oceanic 6 stuff's getting confusing :-p

Anyhoo, you also see that Christian is Claire's dad in "Par Avion," episode 312 from Season 3.

[Travis]

HJIOHGE:I

Was that the best episode ever? If not it was really fucking good.

[r33hash]

I seriously almost cried. Like, I nearly just let it all out in front of my girlfriend.

[Travis]

I got misty. Seriously misty. But no tears rolled down these rugged, manly cheeks.

[the poe collector]

keep it together, men.

it was a great episode, definitely my favorite so far this season.

[³¹¹]

Really guys? Favourite this season? Maybe I missed something but nothing really happened except for the fact that we saw Faraday kick it old school and check out what was happening with Dez.

I'm totally loaded right now so I can'toffer my findings on the eiposde but it was good but I don;t think great.

Maybe I will offer some points,.

-Minkowski is crazy. Is this why Frank doesn't want Faraday talking to him?
-Why is the freighter such a 'secretive world'? Why destroy equipment? (MICHAEL?!?!?!)
-I like how Widmore bids on the journal of Hanso. Very, very cool. I think this totally leads to the conspiracy theory behind Widmore, Paik and Hando working together for some certain task.
-I didn't get enough uliet this eisode and I'm sad.

[LiquidEagle]

-Why is the freighter such a 'secretive world'? Why destroy equipment? (MICHAEL?!?!?!)

I think we can safely say it's Michael on the boat, especially when the door was left open "apparently you've got a friend here"...

This is definitely one of my favourite episodes! Desmond's been my favourite character ever since the Season 2 finale, so this was just an absolute joy for me to watch, I got very misty-eyed :)

[seahorse]

nice to know they didn't forget about hurley's numbers

[LiquidEagle]

nice to know they didn't forget about hurley's numbers

What do you mean? Were they in this episode? I didn't see/hear them...

[seahorse]

set the machine to 2.342, i.e. 23 and 42
and penny's house number was 423, i.e. 4 and 23

and old school farady looks like devendra banhart.
http://www.spin.com/features/spinhouse_live/images/2005/03/devandra3.jpg



it was an awesome episode, but i can't be bothered discussing it cause there's way too much to discuss. but i just want you to know that when we find out it's michael on the boat next week, i called it. (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1828585&postcount=64)

[³¹¹]

Actually seawhores, DankHero claimed that trophy on page 2 or 3. But maybe, you were the first to underline it?


Currently downloading the episode. But also totally forgot about the video game that came out yesterday. It's apparently shit from a game POV but I think it's great shit for the fans, although I don't think we can take it as canon.

And that picture is disgustingly too similar. Could there be any potential link between the two?

[r33hash]

This episode was stuffed full of integral information. Especially about the essence of the Island and why the timeframe appears different.

[FoeHammer]

awesome episode.
kind of butterfly effect-ish, but it was still awesome and different from most lost episodes. this physicist guy is cool and desmond is cool, so BooM!

idea: the original people on the island were on the black rock?
idk, just thinking it would be cool.
like the guy who doesn't age

[seahorse]

Actually seawhores, DankHero claimed that trophy on page 2 or 3. But maybe, you were the first to underline it?

oh shit, haha. maybe i didn't call anything. i looked through the thread and somehow missed every mention.

[LiquidEagle]

set the machine to 2.342, i.e. 23 and 42
and penny's house number was 423, i.e. 4 and 23

Oh, gotcha. For some reason I remembered the machine being set to 1.342 instead of 2.342 :-p

[<3frosty]

awesome episode.
kind of butterfly effect-ish, but it was still awesome and different from most lost episodes. this physicist guy is cool and desmond is cool, so BooM!

idea: the original people on the island were on the black rock?
idk, just thinking it would be cool.
like the guy who doesn't age

Guy who doesnt age probably wont appear in any more episodes, as previously discussed.

But, you might be onto something, though it was a slave ship if i remember correctly.



I cant wait till they tell me what is up with the 4 toed foot statue.





GREAAAAATTTT episode.

[³¹¹]

I cant wait till they tell me what is up with the 4 toed foot statue.





Haha, "they".

[<3frosty]

Haha, "they".

I dont know whats so funny, but i guess its an interesting way of saying that the show will tell me.

[³¹¹]

Just sounded funny the way I pictured it.

Anyone remember the diagram that Frank was using as his map to get back to the freighter? I'm pretty sure that thing had a U-Turn in there somewhere. Craziness.

[r33hash]

You know what I think someone should do?

Some band should be smart enough to get some of the Lost cast into their music video. The music video could be like one of those "Missing Pieces" mini-sodes. They could even reveal a secret at the end. How sick would that be, if done by the right band?

[³¹¹]

Who did you have in mind?

BRAINFLASH.

What if it was turned into this ARG, where the band was completely made up but did shows and shit. Or something like that? Almost like 'sponsored by Oceanic Airlines".

[r33hash]

Well, they could've done that with Driveshaft, Charlie's band, but I'm sure that the talent was not there. Also, they did make them a Myspace complete with songs and all that.

[<3frosty]

Well, they could've done that with Driveshaft, Charlie's band, but I'm sure that the talent was not there. Also, they did make them a Myspace complete with songs and all that.

Are you serious? That is hilarious.

[³¹¹]

I did not know that, I don't dabble much into that ARG stuff.

I think these weeks episode focuses on Juliet. I'm sooooo happy. She hasn't seen much screen time lately and it's been affecting me emotionally. I also think we get to see the Orchid Station.

[<3frosty]

I did not know that, I don't dabble much into that ARG stuff.

I think these weeks episode focuses on Juliet. I'm sooooo happy. She hasn't seen much screen time lately and it's been affecting me emotionally. I also think we get to see the Orchid Station.

Everything about the descriptions of each episode has been spot on by Wikipedia so far, and this weeks episode is said to focus on Juliet. :thumbl:

[r33hash]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=83942568

Check it.

I just want to know what the fuck happens that causes all of the helicopter crew (Charlotte, Daniel) to flip on the Losties. Perhaps they were brainwashed at some point and a certain word of phrase causes them to flip a switch?

[³¹¹]

Oh man, I just read a fucking wicked theory on who the Oceanic 6 are. Shall I share? This is a little too spoilerific, so some may not want it.

[seahorse]

yeah let's see it. maybe you should spoiler tag it.

it's just a theory though, right?

[r33hash]

Ya, spoiler tag it.

[³¹¹]

While this is still a theory (it doesn't get specific) but it has been verified from a reliable source that it is spoilerish. And since it deals with the rest of the season, I am putting it in spoiler tags. The confirmation is the first little bit.



//Thomas in Columbus, Ohio: As a fellow Lost enthusiast, I wanted to send //you my theory about the connection between Oceanic Six and the sky //turning purple. What do you think? Am I crazy? Wait, don't answer that...
//I think it's kind of brilliant. Spoilerphobes, don't click in until later this //season, as there are spoilers herein about the identities of the remaining //two of the Oceanic Six.




I’m still spinning from tonight’s episode of “Lost, The Constant,” and I don’t say this lightly. When all is said and done, The Constant may be the most significant episode in the series. Leave it to a Desmond centric episode to deliver so many answers.

I’ll have more to add as the day goes on and as I digest The Constant, but for me the most relevant thing that came out of the episode is learning who can leave the island and more importantly, we may have learned who cannot leave the island and why. I’ll also need to touch on the super cool idea of time travel being mind travel…WOW!!!!



If we reflect back on Live Together, Die Alone (The Season 2 Finale) we know that Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer were bound and gagged on the dock. Michael and Walt were also there and about to set sail. All six of them were away from the hatch explosion that caused an EMP. We learned tonight that an EMP could cause some very wonky side effects when coming and going from the island if you don’t have a constant.

Simply put…If one was in close proximity when the EMP went off caused when the hatch exploded/imploded they cannot leave the island without a constant or they are "stuck". Presumably, if anyone was not in range they could leave the island without any side effects.


Sayid, Sun and Jim were aboard Desmond’s boat that was heading to rescue Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley. They too were not on the island near the beach when the hatch exploded.
We need to get to the “8 Survivors” of Oceanic 815 and eventually get to the Oceanic Six. We now know that Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid are four of the 6 (Oceanic Six) and also 4 of the 8. My guess is that not being at the site of the blast areas of the EMP, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Sun, Hureley, Sayid, Michael and Walt are immune to the comings and goings on the island. Two of them will be the other 2 to make the Oceanic Six and 4 of them will make the total survivors 8. (The “8 Survivors” are the lie that Jack told in the courtroom). It is also possible that the other 2 could be anyone since the "8 survivors" is based on a lie. The Oceanic Six being the important number, for now.



If my theory holds true we have 9 Losties immune to leaving the island and to get to 8, someone has to die………..hmmmmmmm….and to get to the Oceanic Six a total of 3 people from my list have to die or be said to have died……. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…Jack tells the court that 8 people survived the flight and 6 made it off the island. Since we know this to be untrue it is not a giant leap in the story to say 6 people could get off the island and two people could stay behind and be said to be dead in the recanting of the story. Also as I mentioned above the "Oceanic Six" are more important than the 8 or 9 in my theory.

Maybe none of my 9 Losties who are immune in my theory will die, but I still think we will see some deaths in the faces I have pictured above to get us to the Oceanic Six. I also think that Aaron is going to be able to get off the island “somehow” and will not be considered part of the Oceanic Six. That would explain why Kate is with Aaron if Claire cannot leave the island due to her close proximity to the hatch explosion.

[seahorse]

seems pretty sound.

[<3frosty]

Never will i read spoilers. NEVER. Even if they arent 100%.

[seahorse]

it's not a spoiler, but it makes a lot of sense. especially considering what was said last episode.

[r33hash]

It makes a ton of sense.

The issue with Aaron is interesting though. Do we know that it is the same Aaron that Claire gave birth to?

Also... if a baby has no past history before the Island to jump to (like Desmond and his previous time before reaching the Island), then would it really even truly affect him? Or would it simply prove to be a mind eraser, almost like amnesia? Maybe that is why Aaron thinks that Kate is his mother.

[³¹¹]

Good point!

And it is a spoiler of sorts since it narrows down the field of who will be getting off. And was confirmed.

[LiquidEagle]

Tonight's episode was pretty good, not the tension-fest I was hoping for though, and I'm still giddy after last week's episode so I let it slide :-p

I don't think there should be ANY doubt now as to who's on the boat :laugh:

[Gilly]

oh yeah, they pretty much confirmed it at the end.
i agree it was a good episode
i can't really remember what happened, so i'll probably watch it again today.

[seahorse]

it was cool to get confirmation that widmore is behind the freighter.
i still can't work out whether the freighter crew or ben's people are the bad guys...

and "i'll see you guys at dinner!" was classic.

[the poe collector]

Ben has such a way with the ladies.

I thought it was a solid episode, I wasn't really expecting it to top last week's.

was anyone else hoping juliet would kill that charlotte woman?

[<3frosty]

Ben has such a way with the ladies.

I thought it was a solid episode, I wasn't really expecting it to top last week's.

was anyone else hoping juliet would kill that charlotte woman?

I know i was. Charlotte has a mean streak about her that i was not expecting at all.

btw, the shrink/counselor/whatever is the ex-wife from Rescue Me... as soon as i saw her on screen, i yelled, "I KNOW YOOOUUUUUUUUUUUU!"

[r33hash]

Next week's episode is supposed to be the big shocker episode. I suppose that is partly because of the freighter contact reveal. We also meet Regina, who is played by Zoe Bell. She is one of the people that was talked to on the SAT phone before Sayid and Desmond went to the freighter.

This episode had a lot of information in it. The biggest portion of info dealing with Mr. Widmore being the one behind the freighter investigation. Obviously this confirms why he is after Ben as well. Ben knows things that Mr. Widmore does not want him to know. I also doubt that Penny knows that he is also searching for the Island. And I wonder what he is going to think when he finds out that Desmond is on his freighter.

Another big piece of information... the fact that Ben's invisible crew is still active behind the scenes of the Island foliage. Also something to note. The guy who played Richard Alpert on Lost (the guy that didn't age and coaxed Ben into killing Dharma) is going to be coming back to Lost, because Kane was cancelled.

[LiquidEagle]

Yes!!! Can't wait for Richard to come back!

I don't think Widmore will be very surprised to have Desmond on his freighter since he sent Naomi in to look for him as one of their objectives (no other reason why she would have that picture). Certainly a lot of interesting stuff going on and I'm excited to see next week's episode (of course) :-D

[<3frosty]

Next week's episode is supposed to be the big shocker episode. I suppose that is partly because of the freighter contact reveal. We also meet Regina, who is played by Zoe Bell. She is one of the people that was talked to on the SAT phone before Sayid and Desmond went to the freighter.

This episode had a lot of information in it. The biggest portion of info dealing with Mr. Widmore being the one behind the freighter investigation. Obviously this confirms why he is after Ben as well. Ben knows things that Mr. Widmore does not want him to know. I also doubt that Penny knows that he is also searching for the Island. And I wonder what he is going to think when he finds out that Desmond is on his freighter.

Another big piece of information... the fact that Ben's invisible crew is still active behind the scenes of the Island foliage. Also something to note. The guy who played Richard Alpert on Lost (the guy that didn't age and coaxed Ben into killing Dharma) is going to be coming back to Lost, because Kane was cancelled.

Is this confirmed or more or less rumor? Because i have heard Kane was being canceled for about 3-4 weeks now, but i didnt hear anything about the actor playing Richard Alpert coming back.

[³¹¹]

I couldve sworn I read that same that Nestor would be back.

I liked this episode a lot since it was Juliet's. I also liked it since we got to see Ben's fascination with Jules.

Did it top The Constant? No way.

But a few interesting pieces. Harper was an Other but now we see that she has the ability to 'go with the whispers'. And that is freaky.

I hated how Ben said that he would tell who was on the freighter like midway through the episode and then we don't go back to them until the end and he's looking forward to dinner. Locke's mind must be blown.

[LiquidEagle]

I hated how Ben said that he would tell who was on the freighter like midway through the episode and then we don't go back to them until the end and he's looking forward to dinner. Locke's mind must be blown.

:laugh: Ben's walk as he's carrying his laundry was one of the goofiest things I've ever seen... my friends & I busted up laughing at him. Anyways, even though we've all had a pretty solid theory to go by here for who's on the boat, I'm still excited to actually see it for myself :-p

I'm going to have to wait for a bit to see this week's episode though since I'm going to watch Eddie Izzard do a show in Los Angeles that night.

[³¹¹]

Good episode tonight.

I had an itchy feeling that Jin wouldn't be delivering that panda to Sun but I thought it would've been another lady or something. No idea that one was going to be a flashback and the other a flashfoward.

As far as Michael, err Kevin Johnson is concerned, it was neat to see him back but I really would like to know where Walt went. And their boat.

And this brings a rather large issue to the table. Who is the last member of the Oceanic 6. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun are the confirmed. With no real concrete evidence yet as to who the last is, the speculation shall continue.

[LiquidEagle]

I'm definitely glad it wasn't another lady... I'm really curious to see what happens to Jin though. He's been one of my favourites since the last half of season 1 so it'll be tough if he does indeed die. His tombstone said he died on 9/22/2004 when the plane crashed so that's obviously wrong but I don't think Sun would be going to his tombstone if he was still alive and on the island, no?

I'm especially glad that Sun didn't hook up with Michael by some wild-ass chance like that Missing Pieces episode sort of hinted at... I would have been furious if that happened.

[Delirious]

I wanna know what was up with that chick killing herself on the freighter. Cabin fever? Thats the most extreme cabin fever Ive ever seen. And the blood stains on the wall of Des' and Sayid's room? This island is truly a riddle wrapped in an enigma.

[seahorse]

here goes...

what the hell is going on with future jin?
it seems he died on the island or he's still there... if he is still there then that debunks the theory that he was unaffected by the radiation when the hatch exploded. i'm guessing he's dead.

what is going on with michael?
i'm guessing the three islanders on the freghter are going to have a nice big chat soon enough so not much point thinking too much about it. i wonder if sayid is still pissed that michael sold jack, kate and hurley out to get off the island. not that it got him very far.
and yeah, where the hell is walt? i think he's obviously been on the freighter because he sort of projected himself back to tell locke they were bad people. i wonder if he's still alive or if he succumbed to the cabin fever...
i wonder why they can't trust the captain as well, he seemed alright to me.

and zoe bell. ha. she wasn't in it very long.
but it seems being within a certain vicinity of the island is making the freighter crew kill themselves. that bloodstain looked like someone had been sucking on the end of a shotgun.


good episode, anyway.

[<3frosty]

I'm definitely glad it wasn't another lady... I'm really curious to see what happens to Jin though. He's been one of my favourites since the last half of season 1 so it'll be tough if he does indeed die. His tombstone said he died on 9/22/2004 when the plane crashed so that's obviously wrong but I don't think Sun would be going to his tombstone if he was still alive and on the island, no?

I'm especially glad that Sun didn't hook up with Michael by some wild-ass chance like that Missing Pieces episode sort of hinted at... I would have been furious if that happened.

We have to remember that for both dramatic purposes and to fill in the blanks for the slower people, it is kinda necessary to show a grave as a subtle way of showing that Jin is NOT in Suns future. That he is dead or he never got off the island. Some people might have been utterly lost (heh) if they didnt show his tombstone.


I think he is dead though. I dont know why she would cry over his grave if he was still alive. BUT, as i said above, they may have done that for drama and to make sure no one was confused.


and DOH at Zoe Bell lasting about 10 minutes. She must be doing alot of stunt work in the background i guess. Probably for Juliet.

[the poe collector]

what the hell is going on with future jin?
it seems he died on the island or he's still there... if he is still there then that debunks the theory that he was unaffected by the radiation when the hatch exploded. i'm guessing he's dead.

Yeah, and so far that theory has been pretty spot-on so I'm guessing Jin ends up very dead. I heard that Ji Yeon means "killer island baby" in Korean. If that's true, it's fucking hilarious.

what is going on with michael?
i'm guessing the three islanders on the freghter are going to have a nice big chat soon enough so not much point thinking too much about it. i wonder if sayid is still pissed that michael sold jack, kate and hurley out to get off the island. not that it got him very far.
and yeah, where the hell is walt? i think he's obviously been on the freighter because he sort of projected himself back to tell locke they were bad people. i wonder if he's still alive or if he succumbed to the cabin fever...
i wonder why they can't trust the captain as well, he seemed alright to me.

Well, who do you trust more? Michael's not exactly the most trustworthy guy and he's working for Ben, so he'd probably want Sayid and Desmond to be suspicious of the captain. Not that they shouldn't be. The freighter group are a shady bunch.

Only one more episode until the show goes on break for a few weeks :ohno:

[r33hash]

Alrighty, here's my input:

First off, it's obvious that Sayid is still extremely pissed at Michael, thanks to the previews for next week. Sayid clearly slams Michael into a wall out of rage. Michael did act odd though. I had a short inclination that he had maybe lost his memory. But that would not slide with my theory about who the Oceanic Six are, and the radiation.

I believe that Walt is actually being held captive by The Others again. Either that, or he is helping The Others. In next week's preview, Ben said something like... "You'd be surprised what a man is willing to do for his child". That makes me think that Ben still has strict influence over Michael. The only thing that influences Michael so desperately is Walt. So that would indicate that Ben has more control over Walt than Michael does.

I also think that we will receive an episode that revolves mostly around what Michael and Walt experienced once they left the Island. Sorta like the epside that recapped what happened to the Tailees during the first 48 days that coincided with the rest of the Island.

I believe that Jin was not a part of the Oceanic 6 either. I have a feeling that Jin never even left the Island. Lets not forget that each of the Oceanic 6 is in some form of pact that is not only restricting what they talk about in regards to the crash, but it is also forcing them to lie about everything that happened. I think that in order for Sun to leave, Jin had to remain on the Island because of the stipulations. Jin would sacrifice his freedom to save Sun and the baby. Obviously she would be emotional about him not being around for their child's birth. Her crying does not mean that he actually died. In fact, think of Hurley during the grave visit. He was not very emotional at all.

According to my current theory though, I was right with Sun getting off the Island and being a part of the Oceanic 6. If you recall, I said that I think the last two spots are "Sun, Jin, Michael, Walt, or Sawyer". At first I was thinking that Sawyer would perish, or not get off the Island. I cannot imagine Michael leaving Walt behind for whatever reason. But obviously there are only three choices left for the final spot. Michael, Walt, or Sawyer.

[³¹¹]

Not to rain on your parade but Sawyer is confirmed to not get off the island, so that makes it easier for you.

Can't wait for next episode....!

[r33hash]

Who confirmed? Well my theory suggested that Sawyer would either die, or remain on the Island.

Which means that Walt or Michael would leave. Which would surprise me.

[³¹¹]

Let me clarify, at the moment where Jack tells Kate that they need to go back, Sawyer is still on the island.

[<3frosty]

Let me clarify, at the moment where Jack tells Kate that they need to go back, Sawyer is still on the island.

Huh? Why do you say that?

[³¹¹]

Well people aren't dead. So Jin may not be dead but just still on the island and I believe that from what I read it said something like; 'just because Sawyer isn't one of the Oceanic 6 does not mean that he can't get off the island one day'.

I was replying to r33k's post on his theory of the Oceanic 6.

[<3frosty]

Well people aren't dead. So Jin may not be dead but just still on the island and I believe that from what I read it said something like; 'just because Sawyer isn't one of the Oceanic 6 does not mean that he can't get off the island one day'.

I was replying to r33k's post on his theory of the Oceanic 6.

I know who you were replying to. That was obvious by who you quoted. I didnt understand what connection you were making with the scene at the airport with Jack and Kate being the reason Sawyer didnt get off.

You read this somewhere? :\

[Gilly]

Isn't Aaron considered one of the Oceanic Six?

I think Jin is most likely dead. I don't see why she would go to his "gravesite" with Hurley if he wasn't actually dead, you know?

and I'm guessing that Claire dies next week. Which is why Kate has to take her baby.

[³¹¹]

Sorry </3frosty, again bad explanation.

What I was trying to say was that Sawyer is NOT dead. There are the Oceanic 6, who get off the island. But then there are the rest of the people who are called dead to the rest of the world but are in fact not dead. Evidence of this is Sawyer for sure but also can be applied to Jin possibly.

So what I was trying to say is that Sawyer MAY eventually get off the island but when that scene happens with Jack and Kate at the airport, Sawyer is still on the island.

[LiquidEagle]

311, do you have a link to that article that talks about Sawyer getting off the island? That's news to me... lol

Since I watched the episode online (I was watching Eddie Izzard live on Thursday night :-D), I didn't get to see the preview of next week's -- is there any place I can watch that?

[the poe collector]

311, do you have a link to that article that talks about Sawyer getting off the island? That's news to me... lol

Since I watched the episode online (I was watching Eddie Izzard live on Thursday night :-D), I didn't get to see the preview of next week's -- is there any place I can watch that?

RBg9Tz0t3R4

SOMEONE WILL DIE!

[<3frosty]

I like your caption, haha.

[<3frosty]

Sorry </3frosty, again bad explanation.

What I was trying to say was that Sawyer is NOT dead. There are the Oceanic 6, who get off the island. But then there are the rest of the people who are called dead to the rest of the world but are in fact not dead. Evidence of this is Sawyer for sure but also can be applied to Jin possibly.

So what I was trying to say is that Sawyer MAY eventually get off the island but when that scene happens with Jack and Kate at the airport, Sawyer is still on the island.

You say there is evidence, but i know of none whatsoever. But, i dont want you to attempt to explain it again really. This is starting to go in circles.

[³¹¹]

TRUE: Sawyer not getting off the Island
Posted by DarkUFO at 3:17 PM (Comments: 61)
Labels: Flashbacks, Flashforward, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, True
Update: 11th December 2007 As per the new spoiler posted in the Spoiler Section. I can now confirm this as true.

I've just had some interesting info from a source, which although I believe is correct due to their track record, I will post it in Rumours until I get confirmation from another source and then move it over to the Spoilers section. I can't post the full contents of the message but I will summarize it here.

- There are no Sawyer flashbacks/flashforwards in the first 8 Episodes of next year
- Sawyer is not one of the Losties that got off the island
- The fact that he is not off the island does not necessarily mean that he his dead or won't at some point in the future, however, when the Jack/Kate scene takes place at the end of Season 3, Sawyer is still on the Island.

Source: DarkUFO
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/


You just need to know where to look ;)

[³¹¹]

As well as this;

14-Mar-2008
Confirmation of The Oceanic 6
Posted by DarkUFO at 22:01 (Comments: 148)
Labels: Oceanic 6
I've been getting a lot of emails and seeing a lot of debate in the comments section about exactly who the Oceanic 6 are.

They are Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Aaron.

Hopefully this will end some of the debate that's been going around.

Note: I know back in December when we had the Oceanic 6 revealed and we had Jin instead of Aaron. This was due to the fact that my source who watch an early cut of Ji Yeon, like a lot of us, assumed the Jin part of the story was a Flash-forward and not a FB (The end scene was not on their cut of the episode). I hope this clears things up.

[<3frosty]

Ahhh, where to look for rumors and spoilers i guess. I dont care for either really. I like discussing things and theories, not word of mouth from early screens.

So when you say confirmed, there is no confirmation besides in your mind. Its still rumor at this point.

[r33hash]

Ya... that guy seems to be throwing his guess out there more than anything. Nothing indicated that Sawyer was not off the Island when Jack and Kate talk at the airport.

[³¹¹]

I have this burning desire to give a rather long character analysis of Locke. So I was wondering, are people up for 'defining' their favourite character? Hopefully we can get the few of us who post regularly in here to do up some cool stuff. So what say you maggots?

[<3frosty]

Id be willing to look yours over and see how you do it and perhaps replicate it a bit for another character depending on time. I have a full plate this week.

[the poe collector]

I'd be interested in reading whatever you posted, but I don't know if I'd contribute anything.

[haunted leg]

i think there needs to be some major character analysis of kate, because she seems more and more irrational as time goes by but i don't think she's anyone's favorite character, especially not after this season.

[³¹¹]

Well I'll write it after we see this week's mind bender since there'll be a gap for a while and we should see Johnny Locke.

[Travis]

Shitty episode, imo.

[LiquidEagle]

I'm just glad Desmond wasn't the one that died...

I couldn't care less about Carl/Karl (whatever his name is), but Rousseau was definitely cool, hopefully she isn't dead by some chance? :-/

[r33hash]

She probably isn't dead. Chances are that she will be found and patched up when the season commences.

I totally knew that Carl was going down the second that Ben told them that they should leave. I had a strong feeling that Rousseau was going to die too. He suckered them all. He's suckering Michael too.

[Dakota Grabowski]

I wasn't a fan of last night's episode.

I started out pretty good with recapping what happened after Michael got off the island and how he got on the boat... but the ending just sank faster than the Titanic.

Having two "deaths" within a span of probably 45 seconds, both by a random/blind shot from within the jungle; not the most enticing ending for Lost fans. And having her run out and scream she's Ben's daughter, yeah... kind of like those cliched horror movies when the girl runs upstairs to "get away."

I was hoping for an awesome cliffhanger or whatever for the break, but all we get is a measly faux ending for Episode 9 that raises more questions than answers them.

I called it on Carl passing away, but I wanted Juliette or Charlotte to die just because of how annoying they are.

Not much was advanced with what's going on the island, just what happened in the past with Michael... and to quote my girlfriend "I don't care about Michael."

Give me Desmond, Sayid and more Jin please.

[LiquidEagle]

I think overall the episode was average, it had some cool stuff to it, but it was worsened by the fact that it's the last episode we get for a little over a month, so as any kind of finale or something to send us off on, it feels especially weak.

I still don't understand why Ben sent them out there, especially to get shot (by whom?? The Others who were at the temple?), when it could very much have gotten her killed (unless he genuinely doesn't care for her). I also think he's got bigger fish to fry so it just seemed like Ben's wasting his time if he sent them to die.

[<3frosty]

I dont understand the hate of this episode by itself. I thought it revealed alot. I had no clue that Michael had already gotten off the island, nor that the other inhabitants can apparently get off the island even without the submarine it seems. Unless Locke blew up the sub AFTER Michael got on the boat.


Now, i understand that as a cliff hanger, it didnt do much at all. That sucks. But, it sucks that ABC chose to show these episodes without any delays or any breaks and this is the finale for the time being. It sucks that the writers strike happened too, but that was a necessary evil imo.


I like Michael alot. His character is pretty forgivable. I think people are being a bit too picky with what is revealed. There is alot of new information out there, but people are continually being angry.


I also didnt expect Rousseau nor Karl to get killed like that. I dont understand why she would say that, as if they didnt know she was Ben's child, she obviously would have gotten shot. Perhaps she might even think that they arent the island inhabitants and instead people from the boat? She seems to understand that both Ben and the people on the boat are dangerous.

[Dakota Grabowski]

I dont understand the hate of this episode by itself. I thought it revealed alot. I had no clue that Michael had already gotten off the island, nor that the other inhabitants can apparently get off the island even without the submarine it seems. Unless Locke blew up the sub AFTER Michael got on the boat.


Now, i understand that as a cliff hanger, it didnt do much at all. That sucks. But, it sucks that ABC chose to show these episodes without any delays or any breaks and this is the finale for the time being. It sucks that the writers strike happened too, but that was a necessary evil imo.


I like Michael alot. His character is pretty forgivable. I think people are being a bit too picky with what is revealed. There is alot of new information out there, but people are continually being angry.


I also didnt expect Rousseau nor Karl to get killed like that. I dont understand why she would say that, as if they didnt know she was Ben's child, she obviously would have gotten shot. Perhaps she might even think that they arent the island inhabitants and instead people from the boat? She seems to understand that both Ben and the people on the boat are dangerous.

doesn't give me the impression that you are as a big of a fan of Lost as many others may be.

Last night's episode stunk flat out.

if you are a Lost fan you should know that Michael got off the island with Walt, that the others could leave when they wanted, that not a lot of fans are fond of Michael (not that good of an actor) and Locke blowing up the sub had nothing to do with Michael leaving the island.

Not much was revealed besides Michael being a big whiner once again wanting to kill himself -- It's almost as pointless as explaining Jack's tattoo.

It didn't reveal anything besides how Michael came to be on the boat, which isn't too major of a reveal to have it be the sole reveal of the show (unless you count Tom being a homosexual).

[LiquidEagle]

I think it's actually a pretty big deal that the island can stop Michael from committing suicide when he isn't even on the island...

[Dakota Grabowski]

yeah, but we already knew what the island can do. That's nothing new. I knew once he did the car accident what it meant.

That wasn't a reveal but more of a revisiting; nothing new really if you have been watching since the beginning.

[<3frosty]

doesn't give me the impression that you are as a big of a fan of Lost as many others may be.

Last night's episode stunk flat out.

if you are a Lost fan you should know that Michael got off the island with Walt, that the others could leave when they wanted, that not a lot of fans are fond of Michael (not that good of an actor) and Locke blowing up the sub had nothing to do with Michael leaving the island.

Not much was revealed besides Michael being a big whiner once again wanting to kill himself -- It's almost as pointless as explaining Jack's tattoo.

It didn't reveal anything besides how Michael came to be on the boat, which isn't too major of a reveal to have it be the sole reveal of the show (unless you count Tom being a homosexual).

You didnt read it well. I never said the sub being blown up had anything to do with MICHAEL getting off the island. I said it had something to do with the inhabitants of the island (ie Ben's friends) getting off the island. How else are they getting off the island if the sub is blown up? And, why is that compromised to the point where the flight survivors cant go back the same way?

I may not be as big a fan (in terms of looking up shit) as some of the others here, but im not interested in rumors or spoilers. I like talking theories, and i had never heard the theory that Michael had already gotten off the island. I thought the coordinates led Michael straight to the boat. That was a theory put forth on this board as well. I watch the show religiously, and alot of the things really surprised me in this episode.

I dont know how many people feel about Michael. We have never really had that discussion on this board or any other, and i havent felt the guy was a bad actor.

[Dakota Grabowski]

nah, the actor who portrays Michael was also the same dude from Matrix Revolutions that is the brother of the Matrix 1 (if that makes any sense). He's horrible in that too.

It wasn't a theory that Michael was off the island, it was basically a fact due to the creators stating he was off and the actor stating he was off.

Unless Locke blew up the sub AFTER Michael got on the boat.


Um, this is what confused me. This basically points to two possible things. That you were talking about Michael on the freighter or Michael on his boat the Others gave him. I took it for the freighter since you didn't specifically point to which one you were referring to.

Back again to why Michael's character is annoying... all he does is complain, whine, cry, moan, groan and bitch throughout the whole show. Oh and he also is able to yell "Walt" at a very loud pitch and annoy the hell out of the other islanders.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Ben was able to get off the island without the use of the island to go get Locke's dad right? If so, then that throws out the theory that the sub is their only method of getting off the island.

Also, Miles stated that Ben can get anything accomplished that he feels necessary, so I won't put it past him for having more than one method of getting off the island when he feels like it.

[LiquidEagle]

That wasn't a reveal but more of a revisiting; nothing new really if you have been watching since the beginning.

I have been watching since the beginning, but this was still an impressive show of the island's power considering all that's happened recently to kind of lessen the "magic" involved with the island.

[haunted leg]

the episode was fine, but it was obviously rushed (and meant to serve as a makeshift finale) because of the writer's strike and that kind of hampered what it should have been. nowhere near the levels of fire + water though.

harold perrineau is a great actor.

and you guys are arguing with a halo champion, i'd watch your step.

[Dakota Grabowski]

best episode this season was with Desmond's time travel

hands down.

and haunted leg, don't patronize yourself; you're a stand-up guy

[<3frosty]

nah, the actor who portrays Michael was also the same dude from Matrix Revolutions that is the brother of the Matrix 1 (if that makes any sense). He's horrible in that too.

It wasn't a theory that Michael was off the island, it was basically a fact due to the creators stating he was off and the actor stating he was off.



Um, this is what confused me. This basically points to two possible things. That you were talking about Michael on the freighter or Michael on his boat the Others gave him. I took it for the freighter since you didn't specifically point to which one you were referring to.

Back again to why Michael's character is annoying... all he does is complain, whine, cry, moan, groan and bitch throughout the whole show. Oh and he also is able to yell "Walt" at a very loud pitch and annoy the hell out of the other islanders.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Ben was able to get off the island without the use of the island to go get Locke's dad right? If so, then that throws out the theory that the sub is their only method of getting off the island.

Also, Miles stated that Ben can get anything accomplished that he feels necessary, so I won't put it past him for having more than one method of getting off the island when he feels like it.

I thought Ben had something that was capable of getting things brought onto the island. I didnt think Ben went out and GOT Lockes father and came back.

Also i dont keep track with what the creators say nor what the actors say to be honest. I watch the show. And read theories here and a few other places. Thats it. I never saw that mentioned.

Also, i AM referring to the freighter. Michael obviously met one of the island inhabitants off the island while. Before he got back to the main land is about the time i assume Locke blew up the sub. Thus, how the heck did the island inhabitants get off?

And, even if Locke blew up the sub AFTER Michael got on the freighter, how did the inhabitant get back? Thus, it was revealed to me that more then likely, they have an alternative means of getting on and off the island (and not just pulling people onto it) that was unknown at this point. TO me at least.


I dont pretend to be completely intune with all the theories or ideas about the show, but i watch it religiously and i keep a decent tab on things. And this was a shocker for me.

[<3frosty]

best episode this season was with Desmond's time travel

hands down.

and haunted leg, don't patronize yourself; you're a stand-up guy

I agree that it was the best episode of the season.

[haunted leg]

and haunted leg, don't patronize yourself; you're a stand-up guyoz.

[the poe collector]

Dakota and <3frosty have completely lost me as to what they're arguing about. There's no need to question each other's fanhood!

I also want to say that Michael's yelling about Walt isn't nearly as annoying as Claire shrieking about her baby.

Having two characters killed off at the end like that could've been a reference or whatever to when Michael killed Ana Lucia and Libby. I'm still hoping that Rousseau isn't dead, though.

[haunted leg]

rousseau could possibly end up being the female mikhail.

[the poe collector]

Mikhail should come back again as a zombie and eat Charlotte's brains.

[LiquidEagle]

I'm still not quite ready to accept that the grenade really did anything to hurt Mikhail...

The Constant was by far the best episode of the season, but it has been a really great season so far... Desmond episodes are my favourite ones, so The Constant goes right up there with the Season 2 finale.

And yes, Claire is definitely more annoying than Michael. Every time she opens her mouth to bitch about something I just want to punch something.

[haunted leg]

Mikhail should come back again as a zombie and eat Charlotte's brains.the zombie season is coming.

[the poe collector]

I'm still not quite ready to accept that the grenade really did anything to hurt Mikhail...

Haha, neither am I, no matter what Damon or anyone else says.

The Constant was by far the best episode of the season, but it has been a really great season so far... Desmond episodes are my favourite ones, so The Constant goes right up there with the Season 2 finale.

The Constant and The Economist are my favorites so far this season.

And yes, Claire is definitely more annoying than Michael. Every time she opens her mouth to bitch about something I just want to punch something.

Mikhail can eat her brains too for all I care.

And I really want to see someone slap the shit out of Sun.

[LiquidEagle]

I really liked Sun to begin with, but after finding out that she cheated on Jin I have a hard time liking her that much any more... Jin's steadily grown since the first season to be reliably awesome though IMO :-D

So yes, I agreed with everything you said too :-p

[Dakota Grabowski]

I also want to say that Michael's yelling about Walt isn't nearly as annoying as Claire shrieking about her baby.


I agree, but if Michael was on the show more, he would have trumped Claire.

I am hoping Danielle didn't die either since she's been on the island for 16 years and has never been caught, etc. So it's really out of character for her to die so easily if you ask me.

Jin is one of my top characters too, I am hoping that his grave was for the plane crash and not for one a death that occurred on the island.

Top characters:
1 - Desmond
2 - Sayid
3 - Jin
4 - Sawyer
5 - Ben
6 - Hurley
7 - Sun
8 - Dan
9 - Rose / Bernard
10 - Jack
11 - Richard
12 - Miles
13 - Walt
14 - Penny

Not a fan of Locke, Michael, Claire, Juliet, Charlotte, Charles Widmore, Frank

[<3frosty]

Frank? The helicopter pilot? I like that guy.

[LiquidEagle]

:lol: I like how you have Rose & Bernard as the same character :-p

[Dakota Grabowski]

Rose / Bernard are one as the same character. If one dies, the other is irrelevant. So they are pretty much one character haha.

[³¹¹]

Yeah Bernard doesn't have much of a story, he's just clinging to Rose.

Hmmmm. Thursday night's episode, eh? Well. I guess it really only felt like a mobisode since it pieced together this hole in Michael's timeline. And didn't really offer much more than that. The death scene was pretty plain and I don't think we learn anything else really exciting.

Quite possibly the highlight of the epi was getting confirmation that Tom was gay. I wanted this to happen soooo bad ever since he hinted at Kate not being his type. Oh, maybe he's a blondie or Redhead. Nope, it's the tacklebox. I really was happy to know that it turned out that way and that there is a gay character on Lost.

Dykota, you mentioned something a few posts back about how the island wouldn't let Michael kill himself and that by watching since day 1 this was obviously. Could you please explain this a little to me?

I don't think the island has outside influence. The magic box? Clearly fabricated and Richard's team clearly abducted him (The Man from Tallahassee).

Just a tad confused here.

[Dakota Grabowski]

I am speaking on what Ben has mentioned in before with the island to other survivors, Locke/Jack and a few others specifically.

[³¹¹]

Which....is....?

[Dakota Grabowski]

Well I don't remember the exact quotes or anything. Let me do my research lol. It was all in Season 3, I remember that much.

[r33hash]

Ya... this thread became confusing quickly.

[Dakota Grabowski]

okay... now hopefully you can follow me.

Episode 1 Season 4-
Hurley feels that the island calls him when he's off the island (in conversation with Jack, Charlie, and an inmates)

Here's the convo

Jack: Nah, you win. I, er, I gotta run. It was great seeing you Hurley. (Jack starts to leave)
Hurley: I'm sorry. I'm sorry I went with Locke. I should have stayed with you.
Jack: Its water under the bridge, man.
Hurley: I don't think we did the right thing, Jack. I think it wants us to come back.
Jack: Hurley.
Hurley: And its going to do everything it can...
Jack: (Shouts) We're never going back!(Jack heads for the door)
Hurley: Never say never, dude.

Here's the convo that I looked back to that isn't too deep but you could assume that Jack has started to feel the same way Hurley did

Season 3 finale
Jack tries to kill himself and wasn't able to due to a "car crash" that happened out of nowhere. This is taken out of context but can be implied that Jack is beginning to understand the power of the island.

Jack: No, I'm sick of lying. We made a mistake.
Kate: I have to go. He's going to be wondering where I am.
Jack: We were not supposed to leave.

About the conversation with Ben and Locke about the box, I am going to assume that Walt, Ben, Eko and Locke are connected and can speak to the island... which leads me to this line

Locke: Because you're cheating. You communicate with the outside world whenever you want to, you come and go as you please, you use electricity and running water and guns. You're a hypocrite. You don't deserve to be on this island. If you had any idea what this place was you wouldn't be putting chicken in your refrigerator.

I kind of got the same impression when Desmond was trying to change his past that he couldn't with a small attribution attached to the island not allowing him also.

All the crazy talk by Eko also helps put things together too. If the actor didn't want off the show, I am sure we would have known more about the island since they stopped talking about it in Season 2 up until midway through Season 3

Also, how is Jacob (which I believe to be a part of the island in some way) able to know who everyone is without being able to see off the island?

I can keep going on with other information but right now, this is enough digging I can do because I have work to do.

[r33hash]

Its pretty obvious that the Island has different meanings for different people. Widmore obviously wants the Island for different reasons than Locke.

[LiquidEagle]

Sayid got shot after leaving the island though... Maybe he did all he needed to do there?

[r33hash]

Sayid got shot by someone else. They aren't incincible. They can still get hurt (obvious by Michael winding up in the hospital after wrecking his car), but they cannot kill themselves. If a street thug walked up and stabbed Michael during a mugging, then he would have a chance of dying, probably.

[<3frosty]

I am still curious how much interaction we arent aware of that occurs with the black smoke.


I also have to wonder if the black smoke is something working for the island itself or its own monster (forgive the pun).

[Dakota Grabowski]

with the monster, I have assumed that it's on its own and isn't tied to the island's actions.

Hence, why does Ben act oblivious to what the black smoke is and has never really brought it up in any conversation.

[LiquidEagle]

Juliet obviously knew something about it though with the shield around their complex, but they definitely don't talk about it :laugh:

[<3frosty]

Nobody really talks about it any more. With something that has killed two people very clearly, they dont seem to worry too much about it considering they are in the jungle so much.

I mean, if you had a wild and murderous cloud of black smoke, you would think it would come up in conversation alot.

[Dakota Grabowski]

yeah, I would get answers right away haha.

I think Locke once asked Ben and he just blew it off and Locke didn't mind that he blew it off. (Maybe i am thinking about Jack who asked Ben, kind of blurs together since Ben never addresses it).

But I feel that if the monster, the island and possibly Jacob were of one, then Ben wouldn't have to put up the sonic emitters to block the monster out since it wouldn't harm them since they would have been "all on the list."

I dunno, the monster, the four-toed statue, the giant bird, and the casket will all be answered this season.

[<3frosty]

Giant bird? Damn. I am lost.

:|

[<3frosty]

"Ben has stated that he is not sure what the monster is."

According to Wiki.

[LiquidEagle]

Locke asked Ben before he was about to shoot him and Ben at first said he didn't know what he was talking about, then he said he didn't know, then Locke was about to kill him when Ben started blurting out information about Charlotte to show he still had value... That's the only time I remember anybody asking him about it.

[³¹¹]

The giant bird is the one that causes Hurley to think that it screams his name.

The four-toed statue; I'm pretty sure they said they weren't going to get to that this season. And the smoke monster? Fuck man, are they going to have any secrets left?

[<3frosty]

I still am drawing a blank on the giant bird.


Also, they have stated that the four-toe statue will be addressed in season 4. That is this season, correct?

[Dakota Grabowski]

The giant bird is the one that causes Hurley to think that it screams his name.

The four-toed statue; I'm pretty sure they said they weren't going to get to that this season. And the smoke monster? Fuck man, are they going to have any secrets left?

Four-Toed Statue Will be Addressed in Season 4 (http://www.tvguide.com/Ask-Ausiello/070530)

The four-toed statue is something we will get to next season," Cuse revealed. "Sometimes we're surprised by the things people get fixated on. We tried to answer a fair number of questions this year, but that's one we just didn't get to." Benry's barely visible boss man will also be back, he confirms. "There will definitely be a lot more of Jacob in Season 4."

other stuff that is to be addressed:

What happened in the Hatch during its implosion will be further explored. Who was in the coffin will be shown. What happened to Dr. Marvin Candle's arm will be addressed. How Libby wound up in the mental institution will be shown. What happened to Ben's childhood friend Annie will be revealed. (on the Lost Season 4 Wiki)

[³¹¹]

Hmmm. Well I guess that article accurately predicted the writers strike on May 30th, 2007 and factored in that we will be 3 episodes short of the full season. And hence, originally-planned 16 episodes. We'll just have to wait and see.

[<3frosty]

Im pretty sure they realize people want that answered. They said they would be cutting down some of the plot points, but nothing significant. If they dont address the 4 toed statue, that would be quite a lapse on their part.

[³¹¹]

Oh I agree with that, I just thought they weren't going so liberal with it.

[Dakota Grabowski]

today's the first day of this long break :(

[<3frosty]

I know. Im starting to get the itch from withdrawals.

[LiquidEagle]

Does anybody know why LOST is getting moved to the 10 PM timeslot when it comes back? Not that I give a damn about ratings, I'm just curious if it's related to that :)

[seahorse]

yay (http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/866/866179p1.html)

[the poe collector]

today's the first day of this long break :(

Today is the end of this long break. :)

[<3frosty]

Does anybody know why LOST is getting moved to the 10 PM timeslot when it comes back? Not that I give a damn about ratings, I'm just curious if it's related to that :)

Because Grey's Anatomy is back. They have no problem moving LOST around because the fans are fanatical it seems.

[the poe collector]

Damnit! We were SO close to being rid of Claire! Argh!

Oh well, I should just be happy Lost is back.

I really thought Ben would be able to save Alex. Even when he's getting his ass kicked or tied up he always seems to be in control, but this time he didn't know what to do in order to save her.

However, he did react quickly and escape to another secret room (they're all over the fucking place!) to summon the SMOKE DEMON MONSTER. I guess now we can be sure that he knows what it is and does have some form of control over it.

About the flash-forward, does anyone know if the desert Ben woke up in is the same one where Charlotte found the polar bear remains in Confirmed Dead? And what did Ben mean about "the rules" and why he couldn't kill Widmore?

It was cool to see Sayid and find out how he ends up working for Ben.

I also want to know what's going on with the freighter. I wonder if they'll show what happened there or just the aftermath.

[LiquidEagle]

I also want to know what's going on with the freighter. I wonder if they'll show what happened there or just the aftermath.

I just hope Desmond's alright!

I think this was a great episode. It was a little bit weird as the show's return, given how it picked up right after the pseudo-cliffhanger, but it had a lot of great scenes in it, lot of stuff going on, and I finally felt some sympathy for Ben. I've hated him since he came on the show, but seeing how he felt with Alex, seeing how he really was invested in something other than his own survival, I started to like him :)

As for "the rules" and why he couldn't kill Widmore, I have no idea. But I'm very interested to find out. Overall, a good episode... Ben is slowly becoming one of the crew IMO.

[<3frosty]

I was so excited to find out Ben knew what the smoke monster is after all. I was afraid that would never get addressed by one of the island inhabitants.

This was a great episode. Cant wait for the next.

[³¹¹]

But not only to know what it is, but to have control over it.

And I love the little 'twists'. Like there are actually 2 codes to deactivate the fences. One is normal and the other tells of a pending invasion.

I was hoping Claire would also perish in that burning house.

Not enough Locke in this episode.

[<3frosty]

But not only to know what it is, but to have control over it.

And I love the little 'twists'. Like there are actually 2 codes to deactivate the fences. One is normal and the other tells of a pending invasion.

I was hoping Claire would also perish in that burning house.

Not enough Locke in this episode.

How do we know this?


Also, the fence blocks out the monster as we have seen. Are we already moving on to the idea that Ben has control over it if they have a fence that can block it? Why would you need a fence to block a monster you have control over?

Yes, i know it also blocks humans. But i doubt that to block humans you need the same frequency/whatever that would also block the monster.

Also, Patchey brings up a weird point. Does the fence even work? He survived it after all. Or, it seemed to have killed him. Perhaps it was all a hoax. Im just not sure.



Also, Ben has never summoned the monster on anyone else that im aware of. And it attacked one of the inhabitants as well. Remember the wife of the guy that was having an affair with Juliet? If Ben SENT her, why would it attack both of them?





Im still not convinced that he has control over it, at least, not total control at all times.

[NoZ]

I thought Ben was fuckin bad ass in this episode, especially the part where his disarms the guy with a flick bat then shoots the other one. Im starting to like Ben and his bad assery.

[<3frosty]

I thought Ben was fuckin bad ass in this episode, especially the part where his disarms the guy with a flick bat then shoots the other one. Im starting to like Ben and his bad assery.

Only starting to? I have enjoyed Ben since he was first introduced as Henry Gale. I hate him because he is devious and sneaky, but you gotta love the things he says and does at time. He is just the perfect blend, and he has never appeared absolutely ruthless yet.

[Dakota Grabowski]

any comments on the crap-tastic episode featuring Jack crying like a little baby?

I did like Jin being a bad ass and enjoyed the segments with Sawyer.

[the poe collector]

any comments on the crap-tastic episode featuring Jack crying like a little baby?

Not really. The whole time I was hoping they would show us what's going on with the freighter or Locke and Ben, but I guess we'll find out about that next episode.

[<3frosty]

any comments on the crap-tastic episode featuring Jack crying like a little baby?

I did like Jin being a bad ass and enjoyed the segments with Sawyer.

I thought it was a decent episode, and definitely showed why Jin is still seemingly on the island.

[seahorse]

yeah, i enjoyed it.

[Dakota Grabowski]

I just didn't think it did anything to push forward the show besides provide more depth to the storyline of Jack and Kate being off the island, Jin not leaving the island, and that's basically it.

if they would have revealed to Jack that Claire was his sister, now that would have been a big thing to go down and help advance the show

[<3frosty]

I just didn't think it did anything to push forward the show besides provide more depth to the storyline of Jack and Kate being off the island, Jin not leaving the island, and that's basically it.

if they would have revealed to Jack that Claire was his sister, now that would have been a big thing to go down and help advance the show

At this point, they seem to be bidding their time with advancing the story lines of the characters instead of the actual island conflict that is coming up. There will be a huge fight that will be split into 3 hour-long episodes between the island inhabitants and the crew from the ship, so dont worry. We will have SOMETHING big happen soon. I believe that 3 part episode begins after this upcoming episode.


Developing character depth is fine to me.

[Travis]

Is it just me or has Kate's role been completely relegated to "go stand there and look pretty while other people do things?"

[the poe collector]

Well whenever she tries to do anything else she gets caught or fucks something up.

[Dakota Grabowski]

This is what I hope the remaining episodes have:

- A lot of Sayid and Jin badass moments.
- Desmond staying alive and being among the best characters.
- Sawyer's getting some face time.
- Less of Jack and Kate
- Answers to smoke monster, bird, four-toed statue, others at temple, the "rules", Jacob, and who's in the coffin.
- Richard Alpert coming back
- Answer to how the oceanic six actually get off the island
- Where Walt is.
- Why is Daniel, Charlotte and Miles are actually on the island if they aren't there to support/help Widmore.
- Jack and Claire finally figuring out they are related.
- Michael getting his ass kicked or something worthy so i don't have to hear him scream out Walt's name ever again.
- oh... and just some more answers rather than questions.

[LiquidEagle]

I'd be happy if we got half of those answered, but which coffin are you referring to?

Also, the most recent episode was alright, but nothing compared to the number of events we got to see in the season's return. I think the most interesting part (of course) was with Christian Shepherd... he plays a huge part in all of this, no doubt.

[Travis]

I bet none of those will be answered. Here's what's going to happen: Lost will continue to keep asking questions instead of answering them for the remaining episodes, and then they will release a list of "answers" on the Internet.

Seriously though, this shit is starting to get annoying. We've been having cliffhangers every episode for what, um, every season? It's more than halfway through the series and I want some questions answered. Lost was a lot more entertaining when it was like "OMG WHAT IS THAT MONSTER HOW DO THEY GET OFF THE ISLAND" and not "oh did you hear him? did you hear the inflection he used when he said 'and?' That totally means they're going to get rescued by this super-rich guy on a yacht who can't get to the island because of a time vortex but wait some of the soldiers are there and why ar ethey there and who are they working for and what is up with jack and kate in the future and hurley is crazy and jack's dad and omg lhuiul what is thoinglkejlaj jelkaj;ed;alk!!!!!!!!!!!"

[r33hash]

Well the next episode is going to reveal more about Jacob. Whats weird is it looks like they will also introduce yet another new character that suddenly appears on the Island.

[<3frosty]

Its just like a really long book that has a bunch of mysteries. You cant get pissed off because in the middle of the book all the answers arent answered. Its all about the wrap up, the finale. So, at the end of this whole series, you have gripes, i will accept that. Otherwise, yall sound like whiny girl even though yall have stuck around this long, which is a feat for most viewers.

[Travis]

I apologize, I forgot that Lost can do no wrong.

I love the show, it's probably my favorite show on television currently, but I have every right to get pissed off if I want to. I also like how you act as if you have superior taste and/or intellect by congratulating us on sticking around for so long, and then calling us "whiny girls" because we have problems with a television show that you think is completely infallible.

[<3frosty]

Its not that i think those things. Its just what you drew from it.

LOST can do plenty wrong, and has done plenty wrong in the past.

It wasnt a personal attack. Its how im feeling and i expressed it. Settle down.

[Dakota Grabowski]

Well the next episode is going to reveal more about Jacob. Whats weird is it looks like they will also introduce yet another new character that suddenly appears on the Island.

That's not a new character; I'm told that he's the guy that originally brought Ben and his father to the island with Dharma. He was probably on that one episode and that is it.

I am speaking of this as I don't clearly remember it but my friend told me about it since I didn't get a clear picture of him when it was in the preview.

Oh, and Frosty, yeah... Lost.... is great... but it has a lot of flaws. Without us complaining, and ABC complaining, we wouldn't have this definite end they are working towards. We'd still be on Season 2 with them introducing a whole new plane that crashes down on the island lol.

[<3frosty]

I'd be happy if we got half of those answered, but which coffin are you referring to?

Also, the most recent episode was alright, but nothing compared to the number of events we got to see in the season's return. I think the most interesting part (of course) was with Christian Shepherd... he plays a huge part in all of this, no doubt.

The coffin is the coffin that Jack went to visit in that (pardon my stereotypical remarks, but its the best way i can describe it) ghetto or whatever. He visited a funeral home (or maybe it was just a small church) in a flash-forward and there was a decent sized coffin. Jack was looking pretty scruffy from what i remember, and he said the neighborhood was where one of his friends lived, i believe.

That's not a new character; I'm told that he's the guy that originally brought Ben and his father to the island with Dharma. He was probably on that one episode and that is it.

I am speaking of this as I don't clearly remember it but my friend told me about it since I didn't get a clear picture of him when it was in the preview.

Oh, and Frosty, yeah... Lost.... is great... but it has a lot of flaws. Without us complaining, and ABC complaining, we wouldn't have this definite end they are working towards. We'd still be on Season 2 with them introducing a whole new plane that crashes down on the island lol.

Heh, i get what your saying. Lets just hope the inkling that some people have isnt true (they never really had an ending and are continuing to wing it).

[LiquidEagle]

Oh... THAT coffin, now I know what you're talking about. I thought it might have been Sayid's wife's coffin since she died in Hollywood and it looked like he was in Hollywood visiting a coffin, but that doesn't make any sense.

Either way, I would like some answers but I'm not demanding them because I don't think it's right to put pressure on the writers to pull quick answers out of their asses when they're working towards a much more graceful and lengthy answer... I don't mind waiting, just as long as it gets answered before the series ends :laugh:

[Dakota Grabowski]

tonight's the night ladies and gentleman. be prepared to be amazed!