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Zer0-Sum
02-04-2008, 05:58 PM
The dark ages
Kate Muir

At my college evening class last week, two intelligent, thirtysomething suited guys – solicitors or managers to judge from their e-mail addresses – were talking about their new Xbox 360s and what transcendent joy was to be had from them. I eavesdropped more attentively. Apparently, in Gears of War, the smallest details of the largest battles were crystal clear, in widescreen! Surely they were discussing their children’s computer games? Xboxes are toys, after all.

Further chat revealed the professional gentlemen were childless. The Xboxes were toys for very big boys indeed. Worried, I went unto Google and retrieved this trend for you: Nielsen Media Research surveyed American men aged 18 to 34 and found 48 per cent of them had used a games console recently, and on average, it was for 2 hours 43 minutes per day. Yes, half of not-so-young men spend nearly three hours a day gaming.

Can this be true? Are British chaps really spending their life outside work alone in their bedrooms or living rooms with games on 50in LCD TVs? I assumed that, after adolescence, young men put away childish things and played amateur football, got amusingly drunk, instigated punch-ups, watched Big Brother or ineffectually pursued women. Yet here were men holding down serious careers by day, but infantalised by night in a virtual world.

I quizzed my sons, aged 10 and 13. “Are fathers playing these games alone, without their offspring as an excuse?” I asked. “Yes,” they said. “They buy them for their kids, then play them themselves.” One banker dad they knew was always on Age of Empires and Civilization. As for the Wiis in other people’s houses – well, you couldn’t get the adults off them, they said. Particularly the golf.

It’s worse than grown men building Hornby 00-gauge train sets in their attics, or constructing battles with painted toy soldiers. Only a few men did that, in secret, but now everyone is celebrating their inner geek.

Now, I recognise the amusement to be had strutting your stuff to Guitar Hero III and I know what’s in the Age of Empires, Second Life, World of Warcraft-type on-and-offline games, having been bored rigid over people’s shoulders, but what of the “mature”-rated video games? I’ve heard of the rude ones, such as Leisure Suit Larry, where Larry’s object is to divest himself of his leisure suit. Or the panting that goes on in the “Hot Coffee” patch in Grand Theft Auto. But what of the solicitor’s and manager’s favourite game, Gears of War?

Off to the Istillplaygames.com website. Fans of Gears of War write of the non-stop assault course: “The bayonet is dead – long live its replacement: the baby chainsaw.” And: “The sounds of the Locusts crying out as your chainsaw rips through them is one of the most satisfying things I’ve heard.” Oh, yes. Look closely from now on at your solicitor and check for the madness in his red, screen-dry eyes.

Who knew that the generation who first became addicted to Pac-Man and Super Mario would turn out to be boys who never grew up? Man-teens sitting before their kiddy consoles like huge manatees.

But the games addiction is only a symptom of the extended childhood of the 21st-century hominid. Marriage, families and children are being delayed for as long as possible, replaced by conspiratorial flatmates and microwaved gastropub ready meals. Italian men stay at home with their mother; the British and Americans want to lead a life like an endless episode of Friends.

Perhaps there’s nothing to complain of about this man-teen era, unless you’re a woman with a ticking biological clock, waiting for someone – anyone – to grow up. As the academic Kay S. Hymowitz writes in the latest edition of City Journal, the young man “lingers – happily – in a new hybrid state of semi-hormonal adolescence and responsible self-reliance. Decades in the unfolding, this limbo may not seem like news to many, but, in fact, it is to the early 21st century what adolescence was to the early 20th: a momentous sociological development of profound economic and cultural import.”

Perhaps the man-teen’s retreat into a fantasy world of titans and totty merely reflects his lack of comfort in the real world, where daring, muscle and aggression are no longer valued. And how different is it from women slipping off into chick lit? If there is a crisis in traditional masculinity, perhaps the online game world provides a safe haven. Computer gaming offers a convenient escape from the domestic into the masculine, just as, last century, the gentlemen’s and working men’s clubs did.

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article3304266.ece

Wow, I wonder if men in Japan catch this much crap for playing video games. I bet not And you can all bet your arse that if this one woman wrote this, a few million other women are thinking it. I know a bunch of the men who post here have families or a starting them(like Omi). I just can't stand it when stodgy bitches like this generalize like this about guys who play video games. Is she unaware that lots of women play tons of video games? That the largest demo graphic of people who -play video games is actually women? I think it is women ages of around 35-55. They play on-line free games like "Bejewled" n shit like that. I can't believe the editor of this news paper let her writer this crap and then they printed it. I know I shouldn't let this get to me, but it just pisses me off. :realmad: What a stupid bitch. I wonder what she would say about all the guys who still watch cartoons in the form of Japanese anime?

Gummy
02-04-2008, 06:12 PM
Man-teens?
What the fuck? lol

Wow, women who doesn't really play/enjoy videogames and say shit as if they know what is up, needs to shut the fuck up and die.

or raped.

Hisham
02-04-2008, 06:25 PM
Hahaha...

I read that and laughed... That is exactly what I am going to do when I grow up. Buy consoles for my kids, and play them myself, muhahahah.

LMAO.

Zer0-Sum
02-04-2008, 06:42 PM
This is a good response to this anti-video game feminist shit, and it is written by a woman.


Movies and video games told me that feminists ruined men
Posted by Amanda Marcotte February 2, 2008 in Uncategorized, Gender Issues, Conservatives Sure Are Funny


The final nail in the coffin of the American marriage?

Via Jeff Fecke, I found this awesomely inept anti-feminist screed from Kathryn Jean Lopez. It’s all based on the tragic figure of Jason Bateman’s loser character in Juno. Lopez argues that his type—yuppie men who secretly wished they were punks, and lay all the blame for their lack of super-coolness on their yuppie wives who don’t labor under any illusions of being anything but what they are—is evidence for an epidemic of male refusal to embrace adult responsibilities. And who is responsible for this lack of male responsibility? Well, not men themselves, dummies! Anti-feminists may hate women, but they also have a searing contempt for men, which is reflected in Lopez’s unwillingness to even allow men the responsibility of being responsible.

No, of course women are to blame for men who are unwilling to take responsibility. Specifically the secret, all-powerful cadre called The Feminists. We all know the argument—men aren’t motivated to grow up and do icky girl stuff like get married and have children and hold down a full-time job on their own. No, they have to be bribed into it. You ladies have to sweeten the deal by offering dependence and submission. But never fear, men are like vending machines. You put submission and dependence in, ladies, and you’ll get devotion and responsibility back. So really, it’s all on you to “make” men be responsible.

Sax calls it “this weird new virus of apathy.” Not all young men have it, but enough that it shows in the stats. Colleges have gone from majority male to majority female in the last 50 years. And while most young women who enroll will graduate, most of their male counterparts won’t. Mark Loring has gone through the motions, got the job, got the bride. But he’s not satisfied and doesn’t know what to do in his beautiful home, with a successful wife who is happy with the life she’s made for herself (and, she hopes, for them both).

She neglects to mention that colleges didn’t just go to a male to female majority, but that the past male majority was based in large part on legal discrimination against women. Or that men’s willingness to not finish college is based in no small part on the greater job opportunities available to men that often lure them away from finishing an education. Or the role the racist prison-industrial complex plays in that. It was just uppity bitches forgetting the importance of willful submission.

As Jeff notes, the privilege not to care about the family you created is not evidence of some new loss of motivation in men. And the sitcom stereotype of the buffoonish-but-fun-loving husband vs. the stick-in-the-mud wife is hardly new, and it’s the opposite of feminist. What Mark does in the movie, which is abandon his wife after promising to go on this parenting journey with her, is something men have been doing since time immemorial. Abandoning your family has always been a male privilege.

But I will say that Juno did something interesting in the movie, something that probably did offend Lopez to her core. First of all, in the sitcom family situation, refusing to take responsibility is something that never has real consequences for the buffoonish men. They never lose their marriages or piss anyone off permanently—the message is always, “Men, can’t live with ‘em, can’t live without ‘em.”* But in this movie, the marriage ends, and you’re left with a genuinely feminist take, which is that women can live without men if need be, and that’s a good thing. Because in the past, if your man abandoned your family, you’d be screwed, something which anti-feminists conceal with their fairy tale about how you can always get devotion for submission.

But the evidence for Lopez’s thesis—that women are independenting ourselves out of male love and devotion, because men are emotionally shallow creatures who can’t love freely but have to be bribed into it—is a tad thin. A stiff breeze blows it all away. Like the dreaded marriage-destroying properties of the Xbox.

Mark Loring reminds me of a letter in Sax’s book from a woman named Sarah. She says her husband is stuck on Xbox, and while she loves him and so will tolerate a certain amount of his lack of motivation to grow up, she is “constantly haunted” by something he said: “He said that I might need to lower my expectations in life because he didn’t know whether he could provide them for me. What I find funny now is that I’m the real provider. I don’t feel like I’m part of a team. It’s wearing on me.” I hope that Sarah and her husband wound up better off than the Lorings.

Yes, your husband plays the Xbox all the time because you have the nerve to make your own money. That’s the ticket. Back in the days before middle class women had independent careers, men were careful to spend most of their free time lavishing love and attention on their wives, so much that you began to get sick of it. And of course, it’s impossible for the Xbox to be a social occasion that couples could enjoy together—women don’t have fun! Next you’ll be telling me they can do math.

Which reminds me of a term that was popular when I was growing up in the feminist wonderland of small town Texas: football widow. A football widow may or may not have had a job outside the home (though really the Platonic ideal of the football widow was the busy housewife), but regardless, she busted her ass making a nice home for her family and just generally devoting her life to her husband’s well-being. And in exchange, her ungrateful husband spent all of his free time watching sports, leaving her bereft of anything to do but make snacks, since even the TV was taken up by all football all the time. According to Lopez’s theory, the football widow shouldn’t exist.

The cure, for the record, for being a football widow or Xbox widow or whatever is often not to bemoan the fact that your partner doesn’t spend all his free time entertaining you. It’s to cultivate interests outside of your husband, to be an individual unto yourself who also needs some time to pursue her hobbies. And if he really is withdrawing into his hobbies to the exclusion of ever interacting positively with you, to take advantage of the newfound feminist right not to be in a marriage with someone who doesn’t really love you.

Now excuse me, but I’m going to drag my childish ass over to play the Xbox. Wonder if Lopez knows that you don’t actually need a penis to work the controller.

*The subsequent fear that springs up is that the second women get a chance to live without men, we’ll take it. The idea that women would freely choose men seems incomprehensible to a lot of sexists, demonstrating once again a real contempt for men.

http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/02/6675/

Bryan
02-04-2008, 06:44 PM
It's pretty obvious to me that this is a work of satire.

But go ahead! Be offended.

Edit:

I assumed that, after adolescence, young men put away childish things and played amateur football, got amusingly drunk, instigated punch-ups, watched Big Brother or ineffectually pursued women. Yet here were men holding down serious careers by day, but infantalised by night in a virtual world.

That's a dead giveaway. There's no way a feminazi would see those things as being any less immature than playing video games. I could cite more examples if you'd like.

Just laugh. Life is grand.

Viper
02-04-2008, 06:47 PM
She needs to play a good round of shut the fuck up.


The "escape of reality" and "personal entertainment" are institutions of human nature. Far be it of her high and mighty post to suggest what constitute as acceptable means of either for adults.



Bryan, it's not satire, it's her weekly column and she's known for being a high horse bitch.

Bryan
02-04-2008, 06:50 PM
Maybe I'm just laughing at it because I find this brand of conservatism to be quite absurd anyway.

Maybe I'm off base.

But that's some funny shit.

Viper
02-04-2008, 06:58 PM
I edited my post. It's not a satire.

Zer0-Sum
02-04-2008, 06:59 PM
Bryan, it's not satire, it's her weekly column and she's known for being a high horse bitch.

QFT man....

Bryan
02-04-2008, 07:00 PM
Oh..

My mistake. She seemed to have her shit together. She should consider an edit or two, because her stance seems a bit off. Let's go chase women ineffectually now, since that's cool with the feminazi.

Lucent Beam
02-04-2008, 07:37 PM
Or, how about men don't magically stop having fun with something fun when they grow up? How is that being a man-teen? Also, man-teen is a really retarded sounding word.
When I am old(er), maybe I won't have as much time for gaming when I'm married and having kids, but I expect that I'll still enjoy playing games and I also expect that my husband will still enjoy playing games. And if I or he chooses to spend 3 hours of free time playing a game, who cares? As long as those 3 hours are not neglecting other responsibilities, who cares what it's being used on?
I see no harm in men wanting to game as adults. If a "woman with a biological ticking clock blah blah" wants to find a non-gamer.. then just find a non-gamer. Not every human with a penis loves video games.

Bryan
02-04-2008, 08:15 PM
We could cut men out of the picture entirely and adopt.

Zer0-Sum
02-04-2008, 08:48 PM
We could cut men out of the picture entirely and adopt.

Yah? Check this shit out.... :o

Sperm Made From Female Bone Marrow, Men Obsolete?

Shaitan Apistos writes "British scientists have discovered a way to turn female bone marrow into sperm, allowing women to reproduce without the need of male companionship. All children born of this method would be female, due the lack Y chromosomes, and there is high chance of birth defects. Eggs also can be created from male bone marrow, but men looking to reproduce would still need to find a surrogate mother to handle the gestation period. I'd like to take a moment to welcome our new amazonian overlords and remind them that men are still very good at mowing lawns and fixing cars."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=511391&in_page_id=1965

Then they wont need us at all....

Gegenki
02-04-2008, 08:52 PM
lol "defects"

Travis
02-04-2008, 09:34 PM
Meh, who cares.

haunted leg
02-04-2008, 10:09 PM
why would any group of people choose to play wii golf more? this is something that needs to be investigated further.

The Dude
02-05-2008, 01:10 AM
Obviously she is a high horse bitch, but she does raise an interesting point.

But the games addiction is only a symptom of the extended childhood of the 21st-century hominid. Marriage, families and children are being delayed for as long as possible, replaced by conspiratorial flatmates and microwaved gastropub ready meals. Italian men stay at home with their mother; the British and Americans want to lead a life like an endless episode of Friends.

Is it any wonder why men live out their teen years long into their 20's? I mean the "empowered" women of today are putting their career and them selfs ahead instead of settling down and having kids like in the old days. Most of my friends in my age group can't picture kids+family until their late 20's. There are other factors too, such as our age group having so much disposable income, the emphasis on higher education (MBA's and Doctorate's are far more common today then 20 years ago)

I think she is just ridiculously behind the times.

koten
02-05-2008, 03:33 AM
This is something I don't normaly say, but I think it is justified:

What a stupid bitch.

Milly
02-05-2008, 03:48 AM
I laughed from that article because I just didnt think she was serious. Who cares if someone plays a game for three hours, just as long as it is like lucent said and they are not neglecting any other duties (Kids work etc) I dont see how this makes them any less adult?

jaxmkii
02-05-2008, 12:26 PM
she defines "technophobe"

FISCHSTYX
02-05-2008, 12:36 PM
Here's the funniest part...

I am 26, my wife is 27, and several times a week we spend and hour or two playing video games together- its more like quality time spent with your significant other, in that situation. The writer of that "editorial" is a stupid bitch and needs to be fischslapped.

Viper
02-05-2008, 06:14 PM
I'm 30 later this month, my wife is 30 and we get our game on.

Her first mistake is expecting it to still be 1950.

BlazeKat
02-05-2008, 07:49 PM
I am 1950. Videos games will ruin you! Like my sexy pointy breasts and tight hair all done up nice? I have a headache just for you.

Screw that bitch. Let the boys(and us girls of course) have their(our) fun.

woundingchaney
02-05-2008, 09:49 PM
nonsense

I would love to speak personally with this woman and flesh out her misguided and hypocritical concepts of not only men, women, and electronic entertainment but her inherent "holier than thou" disposition.

BlazeKat
02-05-2008, 09:51 PM
You tell them Chaney!

LaLiLuLeLo
02-05-2008, 09:59 PM
she needs to slap that sand out of her vagina.

TrueVCU
02-05-2008, 10:01 PM
to say nothing of the incredibly gnarled stick in her ass

LaLiLuLeLo
02-05-2008, 10:08 PM
'I don't understand these 'video games', therefore they must be a problem.'
No, bitch! You're the one with the problem!