Hdmi

[r33hash]

I am one of those crazy kids who purchased a Xbox 360 Premium on launch day. Of course, the Xbox 360s released early in the console's lifecycle did not come with an HDMI connection.

Well, I recently purchased a bedroom TV that has two HDMI ports. I want to utilize the ports, but obviously I can't with my 360.

Anyone know of a way that I could trade my 360 for an HDMI compatible one?

[Mitri]

well i know websites like gamestop and best buy are selling a converter for those of us that did buy early. instead of buying another 360 just for the hdmi port you could use the current connection back there and it changes it to hdmi. i use vga cables to get the most out of my tv. its resolution is 1366x768 so vga cables(they also do 1920x1080) are also a good option instead of buying a brand new 360 if yours is working fine. in my opinion. http://http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=69119

[r33hash]

Dude... I have a VGA cable I just bought a couple of days ago. It doesn't seem as clear or good looking as my component cables. Plus, that link didn't work.

I even have the same size TV that you do.

[D3adcell]

The VGA cables should be just as clear or better then component. Also should upscale DVD's. For the HDMI you will need to have a 360 with HDMI. The converter thing doesn't do anything other then let you connect to the HDMI connection but the output from the 360 is still component or vga or whatever. Your not going to be getting a digital connection.

[JasonXe]

idk, you can probably trade your console at gamestop and see about getting a elite idk.

[r33hash]

I called Gamestop and they said that if I trade in my 360 and wireless controller, they'll give me $140 for it. I also have a Halo edition regular Xbox that I could trade in, but I won't get much for it.

Someone explain to me what I'm doing wrong with the VGA cables. In the resolutions available, it only offers 1360 x 768. My TV is 1366 x 768. It just seriously wasn't as clear.

[masteratt]

http://techfreep.com/images/ps3hdmi.jpg


Someone was gonna do it ¬_¬
Might as well be your friendly neighbourhood pal masteratt.

[r33hash]

That isn't a VGA plugin... moron.

[OG_Monkey]

lol r33hash, the joke flew RIGHT by you >_>

Anyway, i want a HDMI 360 too, the most i can do is say theres something wrong with your 360 and send it in and HOPE you get a HDMI versions back.

[masteratt]

My brother got RRoD way after they started producing HDMI 360s but according to Microsoft they found a way to fix them now so they just repair and send you your old 360 back so you have to be very lucky to get a new HDMI 360 returned to you.

But you can always try your luck.
Just leave your 360 on for 20 mins until RRod happens. ¬_¬

Okay, sorry *walks out*

[OG_Monkey]

haha oh man. Well, you can always add a note saying, "gimme a new 360 or else ill sue"

[JasonXe]

http://techfreep.com/images/ps3hdmi.jpg


Someone was gonna do it ¬_¬
Might as well be your friendly neighbourhood pal masteratt.

http://digital-lifestyles.info/copy_images/xbox-360-elite-back-lg.jpg

[IEatFriedPikmin]

from what I understand, there is no point of using the converter, unless that is the only input you have left on your tv.

I use VGA sometimes, and it is sharper, and to me, looks slightly better.

[r33hash]

Well damn.

I bought the VGA cable from Best Buy, but I think I'm going to return it and order a VGA cable from www.monoprice.com, as well as a TOS/optical. It'll still cost half as much as the Best Buy one.

[JasonXe]

i got the ms vga cable for 14 buxs, idk where though :-(

[AridSpider]

The 360 ain't that much anymore, if you sell your none hdmi 360, and put in a little extra money getting a hdmi 360 wouldn't cost that much...

I am planning to buy a hdmi 360 later this year, when i get HD TV, not only for the hdmi, but the hdmi 360 is much more cooler, and make like no noise at all its def. worth it...

[Mitri]

Someone explain to me what I'm doing wrong with the VGA cables. In the resolutions available, it only offers 1360 x 768. My TV is 1366 x 768. It just seriously wasn't as clear.


if its not as clear as component first make sure its on the right settings. make sure that the black levels on your 360 match or as close as possible match the tvs. and also try messing with the settings on your tv. if your one of those lucky to get a tv that saves the settings for each individual input then great. or you may want to write the settings that look best down. in my experience the colors may be a little off in the begining but that can be fixed just with setting your tv. and i also bought mines from best buy.

also thanks for the website. i've never seen that but it'll definetly help me with my new expansion plans. does anyone know. which is better digital coax or optical?

[AridSpider]

HDMI, get it it's totally worth it,
1. Better Visuals
2. It is much cooler
3. It makes like no noise at all, compared to the launch 360.

My Sister have an hdmi 360, >__> i am stuck with my no hdmi, but i am getting one in the winter i think, because that's when i am getting a HD TV.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^not true about it running quieter....
if anything my new 360 that I traded in with my bestbuy insurance (that now has the HDMI port...yay!) is actually louder than before.....

I feel your pain r33.... I had the launch one as well until .....upon suggestion from daniel....I sorta kinda faked a problem with it so that I could trade it in with best buy.... turns out the extra money I paid at launch was worth it.

I'm guessing you didn't do anything like that when you bought yours.....and from what somebody else said....getting microsoft to send you a new one upon RROD is no longer as definite.... if it were like it used to be... I would say close your 360 in an insulated box and leave it on until it overheated so they would have to send you a new one....lol

[AridSpider]

^not true about it running quieter....
if anything my new 360 that I traded in with my bestbuy insurance (that now has the HDMI port...yay!) is actually louder than before.....

I feel your pain r33.... I had the launch one as well until .....upon suggestion from daniel....I sorta kinda faked a problem with it so that I could trade it in with best buy.... turns out the extra money I paid at launch was worth it.

I'm guessing you didn't do anything like that when you bought yours.....and from what somebody else said....getting microsoft to send you a new one upon RROD is no longer as definite.... if it were like it used to be... I would say close your 360 in an insulated box and leave it on until it overheated so they would have to send you a new one....lol
That can't be true, because my sister have a HDMI 360, and it run so much quieter then my launch 360.

[r33hash]

Optical is the best audio transmission, down from hdmi.

And I got my 360 from Gamestop. So no trade-in fake problem for me.

[speed stick]

That can't be true, because my sister have a HDMI 360, and it run so much quieter then my launch 360.

Make sure that each console has a game playing on it.

[Bsack]

I'd like to get a HDMI 360 also, but I don't think it would be worth the effort of having to pay extra for a system that is worth the same amount. I wish they would make thier HDD's a little cheaper too considering my 20 HDD is almost full..

[r33hash]

No doubt. I'm constantly having to delete things because my HDD is full.

[Colin™]

That can't be true, because my sister have a HDMI 360, and it run so much quieter then my launch 360.


hahah, but the reason isn't because she has a freaking hdmi port.

[AridSpider]

Make sure that each console has a game playing on it.

it do, believe me, my sisters is much more quite...

[JasonXe]

maybe different drives?

[speed stick]

it do, believe me, my sisters is much more quite...

Yeah drives could be the reason. That seems like where all the noise is coming from anyways.

[OG_Monkey]

Newer models are indeed quieter than launch ones, if not, you get fucked

[AridSpider]

prob, drives yeah

[r33hash]

Esta un salsa verde!

Esta un end of worktime!

Esta un drinkage at karaoke bar!

Esta un someonegivemeafuckinxbox360withfuckinhdmialready!

Habenero?

[seahorse]

i can't tell the difference between component and hdmi.

*must be retarded.*

[AridSpider]

so you have a HD-TV, and you have tried plugging both cables in, but you see no difference ?

[JasonXe]

you probably wouldn't either unless you got a big t.v i guess.

[TheGreenElf]

I am one of those crazy kids who purchased a Xbox 360 Premium on launch day. Of course, the Xbox 360s released early in the console's lifecycle did not come with an HDMI connection.

Well, I recently purchased a bedroom TV that has two HDMI ports. I want to utilize the ports, but obviously I can't with my 360.

Anyone know of a way that I could trade my 360 for an HDMI compatible one?

Don't believe all the bs. Component cables display just as well as HDMI 99% of the time.

[seahorse]

i dunno.
my mate has a 42" tv in his room with his ps3 and was unsing component for a while, then he got a hdmi lead, tried it out and we were like " wow. it's exactly the same."

[TheGreenElf]

^Yeah. The whole pure digital connection vs. part digital/part analog is also bullshit tech talk for "Let's charge an extra $40 for these cables"

[Mitri]

yeah. its only a small difference. nothing serious. i have a dish network hd rcvr(by the way i work for them if anyone else has dish there are promos going on)and it has comp and hdmi simulcasting the signal. the only difference between the 2 was the hdmi had a little deeper colors. and in some senses it made the picture just a bit more clear. but i think that was because the colors were deeper. but comp doesn't really do 1080p very well least from what i've heard.

[AridSpider]

hdmi should make a bigger difference if your tv is 1080

[JasonXe]

hdmi cab;es costed me 7 buxs. The extra money is for protecting/interference i guess or there monster cables. I honestly never had that problem and works like it a post to.

[r33hash]

Ok... you people don't understand.

I play Halo competitively. Response time is important. Component cables are laggy to a player like me. HDMI is the best option. VGA is the second best option. I don't really care about visuals, because everything displayed on my 720p TV is going to look about the same, no matter what connection I use. HDMI is only noticeable when using a 1080p TV.

So basically, I'm searching for the quickest connection possible for visual comparison.

BTW, no one rep me. I have the best number possible right now. 69 69 69

[OG_Monkey]

Then just get a hdmi 360

[r33hash]

You shutup!

[OG_Monkey]

rofl, im just sayin.

[r33hash]

I'm going to kill you.

[frosty]

OK, HDMI is better than both component and VGA, as you get better color accuracy and no analog interference at all. It is most noticeable on larger, better TV's, but it can be seen on smaller sets as well (especially with video or film).

As for audio, coax and optical are identical, they both carry the exact same signal. If you don't believe me, cut the connector off of a coax cable, splice an LED light onto the end of it, and put the light into an optical port. It will still receive and decode the audio stream. HDMI is the best, but since the 360 had to have it's HDMI port grafted onto the system after the system had already been designed, the audio hardware in the 360 is not capable of taking advantage of HDMI's audio benefits. Since it's audio setup cannot do 7.1 channel 24 bit sound, it's HDMI audio output is limited to 5.1 channel 16 bit output. So, it doesn't really matter which format you use to output the audio on 360, as the end result is going to be the same.

[D3adcell]

I swear you can do 7.1 through optical cables though. I have a 7.1 reciever, onkyo. It doesn't have HDMI inputs but it is 7.1 or so it says on the reciever.

Though my parents have the way better receiver and it has HDMI and like everything bad ass. It does 7.1, though I think you can do it through something other then HDMI.


(i'm like positive mine doesn't have hdmi)

[TheGreenElf]

hdmi should make a bigger difference if your tv is 1080

Any tv that can use HDMI is 1080...I guess you mean 1080 p though.

Also, HDMI doesn't give better response time than component. Or at least, if there is, it's not noticeable by humans.

[JasonXe]

response time is determine by your t.v i believe.

[AridSpider]

buy a HDMI 360 >_>

[r33hash]

Response time is dependant upon your TV, as well as the cables you are using. The lag isn't noticeable unless you are playing a competitive game such as Halo 3 or CoD4. And it's really only noticeable if you know what you are looking for.

[TheGreenElf]

Hmm...'negligible' seems to be the word evading us...

[Fillibuster]

I swear you can do 7.1 through optical cables though. I have a 7.1 reciever, onkyo. It doesn't have HDMI inputs but it is 7.1 or so it says on the reciever.

Though my parents have the way better receiver and it has HDMI and like everything bad ass. It does 7.1, though I think you can do it through something other then HDMI.


(i'm like positive mine doesn't have hdmi)

The stereo is probably just referring to the fact that it outputs to 7 speakers. I think it just gives some redundant audio out of the 2 extra speakers because we have a 7.1 setup at my house but don't have any HDMI 7.1s running to it, yet we hear some noise from the center back speakers, and I think it is just fake 7.1 surround...

[Mitri]

are there any games out there yet that take advantage of 7.1 yet? or do yall think i should just go with 5.1 for a while longer?

[JasonXe]

get 7.1 if you can. The extra speakers wouldn't hurt.

Also does anybody have 5.1 with wma? Does it sound better than just regular 5.1?

[Fillibuster]

are there any games out there yet that take advantage of 7.1 yet? or do yall think i should just go with 5.1 for a while longer?

Lair is the only game I can think of that has 7.1 surround. And I think there are a couple blu-ray's that have it as well.

[iSDK]

buy an hdmi 360 and i'll buy/take your old one :)

[r33hash]

lol buy/take? I don't get it.

[OG_Monkey]

And they call me slow >_>

[iSDK]

buy/take

i can buy it or i can also take it.

[r33hash]

lol. Why would I just let you take it?

Crazy face.

[iSDK]

so then you would HAVE to get a new one :-p

[r33hash]

haha. whatevs!

[Mitri]

funny thing about this whole thread. i'm trying to give reasons and alternate options to buying another 360. and what do i do? buy an elite. lol. but that's because i have plans to rearange my living room. and i have a question. is there a difference between the hdmi cables? i've seen tin plated/copper plated/silver plated..and i don't know which would be best. http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240 is where i'm looking. any help is appreciated.

[JasonXe]

i bought a 6 bux hdmi cable and its probably the same as any other hdmi cable. I think the higher cost hdmi cable like monster cable are extra coat for protection or really overpriced for the same quality you get on any other hdmi cable.

[r33hash]

I think the quality is dictated by the type of metal the connector is. I'm pretty sure that Gold is the best conductor for the signal transition... or something like that. lol.

[iSDK]

I still say most people won't notice or care for the difference.

[Black Dragon37]

The VGA cables should be just as clear or better then component.VGA's better than component at sharpness.

Component's better than VGA at colour and contrast.

[D3adcell]

well i got some psyclone vga cable because it was on clearance at target for 7$. It is the biggest pile of shit cable i have ever used and actually makes the 360 look worse then SD.

[r33hash]

Ah damnit. I bought that cable too for like... Five bucks. I was really hoping it wouldn't blow.

Anyone have any advice on how to get rid of the jagginess that I get when playing GTA IV?

[D3adcell]

Did you try the cable and how do they work for you? I tried it and i noticed things weren't as smooth and when I played COD4 it was VERY noticible when at the online menu and things just did not look good at all.

Maybe i just need to mess with the settings or something?

[Viper]

All current HDMI cables are the same within 15 feet. After that, the extra insulation is a benefit. Under 15 feet, they are all the same.

With digital signals, like HDMI, you either get the signal or you don't. There is no fuzzy in between.

[r33hash]

Did you try the cable and how do they work for you? I tried it and i noticed things weren't as smooth and when I played COD4 it was VERY noticible when at the online menu and things just did not look good at all.

Maybe i just need to mess with the settings or something?

I tried it either yesterday or the day before. For some reason, my TV just doesn't support the right resolution or something. But ya, it definitely wasn't as clear as the component cables. I tried tweaking settings but it never improved.

I also couldn't get my TOSlink cable to work.

[frosty]

I swear you can do 7.1 through optical cables though. I have a 7.1 reciever, onkyo. It doesn't have HDMI inputs but it is 7.1 or so it says on the reciever.

Though my parents have the way better receiver and it has HDMI and like everything bad ass. It does 7.1, though I think you can do it through something other then HDMI.


(i'm like positive mine doesn't have hdmi)

Actually on second thought, I do think there are codecs supported by the optical standard that can handle 7.1 16 bit, although I think one of the channels is faked IIRC. However, for gaming over a 360, 5.1 16 bit is as high is it goes. The audio hardware isn't wired for uncompressed 7.1 channel 24 bit sound.

That said, the majority of audio setups (mine included) are only wired for 16 bit compressed 5.1. Even my 24 bit 7.1 games and blu-ray's have to be downsampled to 16 bit 5.1 before I get the chance to hear it with my current amp. It only has an optical port.

[Viper]

7.1 is pointless in the average listening environment anyway. It's use is best served in small venues and screening rooms.

The room size and distance from sound source/TV for most people is sufficient for 5.1. 7.1 becomes redundant.