Can Trophies really make the difference?

[cliffbo]

it wasn't until recently -- after 2.40 and 2.41 -- i realized that Achievements was actually a factor in selling the 360. i knew how popular it was but always assumed it was the inferiority of some multiplatform games that swung the pendulum Microsofts way.

after reading many, many posts on various forums and sites, i am astonished at the level of hype for Trophies. of course there are still those who complain about something or other but the majority are very positive.

Could Trophies make the difference? could this small firmware update, do for the PS3 what millions of dollars have failed to do in the past? has this update not only appeased PS3 owners but persuaded many 360 fans to opt for another platform?

[Viper]

it wasn't until recently -- after 2.40 and 2.41 -- i realized that Achievements was actually a factor in selling the 360. i knew how popular it was but always assumed it was the inferiority of some multiplatform games that swung the pendulum Microsofts way.

after reading many, many posts on various forums and sites, i am astonished at the level of hype for Trophies. of course there are still those who complain about something or other but the majority are very positive.

Could Trophies make the difference? could this small firmware update, do for the PS3 what millions of dollars have failed to do in the past? has this update not only appeased PS3 owners but persuaded many 360 fans to opt for another platform?
Uh, no.

It's an attempt to equalize the issue, not toss anything in Sony's favor.

[Fillibuster]

^What he said

[D3adcell]

I think its too late and the fact that not all games have to support trophies. On the 360 its a requirement to have achievements in every game released. I'm sure trophies will help, maybe somewhat, but i don't think its going to take any spotlight away from the 360.

[OG_Monkey]

No....

[woundingchaney]

It surely isnt going to make any inherent difference with so little games supporting trophies now and in the near future.

It is simply a bullet-point matching ordeal, which a lot of this generation is based on (on both sides of the fence).

It is an excellent feature that has been implemented, but far from enough to swing current console owners and future console owners to the PS brand. Though Sony has enough leverage outside trophies of course.

[Fillibuster]

I really wish you didn't have to play through again for trophies. I hope for the other games out already they can somehow patch it to give trophies based on tasks you already completed. I understand that most games just don't track the things required by trophies however...

[Viper]

Sorry, Fillibuster but aside from perhaps time played and levels opened type trophies, I doubt many will be given automatically based on your already established save files.

[Fillibuster]

Oh I know. Like I said they need to already be tracking things like kills with weapons or whatever in order to award trophies based on that. I'm just saying that it would have been nice to get some rewards for my numerous play thrus of Resistance and Uncharted when the games get patched.

[Viper]

One way they could award people is for those who already have play through data upon downloading the firmware, they could receive a special trophy not available after the download date.

A little thank you to the early adopters.

[Z]

no, nobody will buy a system for the ability to record scores. not even Home will have a purchasing enticement. 360's Achievements are the same; no purchase value. nobody buys a cake for the frosting. these go for all the secondary features to all systems. 360 only has gaming. PS3 has two: gaming and BD playback. anything else just sweetens the deal.

[D3adcell]

But Z, people that have both are more likely to buy the games on 360 for achievements and the online structure. There are a lot of 'achievement whores' out there.

[cliffbo]

well i think you're all wrong!!! :)

i don't think anyone realizes the possibilities of Trophies in much the same way as HOME

[Applefiend]

Makes a difference to me.

In the beginning I'd see the PS3 version and the 360 version an think "The 360 version has rumble, better graphics and achievements, I'll buy the 360 version" and did.

Then the graphics on multiplatform titles got better and the 360 titles just had rumble and achievements.

Then PS3 got rumble

Now achievements.

Sure it all matters. It's down to "Which controller do you prefer". I'm a 360 pad for shooters, DS3 for everything else. But do I really want the grief of two friends lists and am I too cheap to pay for xb live... No and yes. :D

[flipflop]

I think its too late and the fact that not all games have to support trophies. On the 360 its a requirement to have achievements in every game released. I'm sure trophies will help, maybe somewhat, but i don't think its going to take any spotlight away from the 360.Considering the 360 is a struggling platform worldwide that's surprising.

[Viper]

Considering the 360 is a struggling platform worldwide that's surprising.

It is?

[Applefiend]

Well, PS3 is still number 3 worldwide at this point yo know... :D

It's struggling at my house but my house isn't a reflection of world gaming. If only it was. :D

[OG_Monkey]

Ok heres how it is. Cliffbo's question was will it make 360 owners opt for another system, the ps3. Answer is 100% no...or at least 99.9. Now, allow me to...to elaborate:

What your saying is trophies might make 360 owners buy a ps3 now. To even do that, that 360 owner must obviously care about this kinda stuff. Obviously meaning that person has a high gamerscore already.

Like said above, this comes far too late for the ps3. That 360 owner would want to continue building his gamerscore, devoting as much time to collecting achievements as possible. That 360 owner would not want to start from scratch on a new system nor split his/her time. No, but instead, just continue to build on his/her gamerscore.

NOW, if it were a new buyer to neither get ps3 or 360 but think they'll care about achievements/gamerscore, maybe it'll reflect his decision.

If Sony didn't go Microsoft's route (hopefully changes in the future) and offers actual stuff for trophies like downloadable content vouchers etc, then hell yeah. It'll force Microsoft to do something standard they only did once, give away stuff for gamerscore which seems unlikely.

But seeing as that's not "now" nor will it likely be "future", your still left with useless...worthless...meaning less numbers (360)/levels (ps3)

so yeah, in conclusion, it will not opt for 360 owners to get a ps3. For the reasons I have given. Hey, but I could be wrong. But like I said, those who care about achievements/trophies in the first place on the 360 likely already have high ass gamerscore thus would make them continue to buy multiplat games on the 360 vs the ps3 and continue to build their gamerscore, not start new.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

thinking.....
thinking...
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....No. No, not really.

[Smokey]

trophies are crap IMO anyway. i know there are a thousand xbox trophy whores who say different but this is my opinion

[Z]

But Z, people that have both are more likely to buy the games on 360 for achievements and the online structure. There are a lot of 'achievement whores' out there.
as you said, they already have that system. you didn't buy it for the feature at hand. such a feature go along with others such as video on demand, web surfing, video chatting, etc. these are all not a selling point on their own, they are just extras to help you make the desicion easier. the only feature that I think might put a hesitation during a sale would be the pay per play for online.
trophies are crap IMO anyway. i know there are a thousand xbox trophy whores who say different but this is my opinion
to a collective score, I agree. they mean nothing. what I do like is when I am good at a game, I like to see how my time or score compare to the best out there. but I don't care at all for a number, insignia, Michael jackson dance video, MP3 loop or anything to show me how many things you did in many games. I don't really care what your score in Barby Pony land is and how it adds up to your Hello Kitty MMO score...

show me that you've completed MGS4 on Big Boss difficulty under 3 hours and I'll be impressed.

[masteratt]

You guys know after SS: HD got the trophy update it was downloaded over 500 times in 24 hours?
Fact.
So I think it does make a difference and like it or not, it DOES sell games, especially on 360.
Check a few of your friend's list, they have shitty games there that they never would have bought if the game didn't have easy achievements.

Will Sony get to the same level?
Sure in a few months time.
I like to think every new game coming out now will have trophy support.

And I really enjoy trophies, as pointless as it may be to others, it really is a treat for the lifespan of the game and I've never enjoyed SS: HD as much as I do now.

But of course I'll never buy games for Trophies.

[Viper]

You guys know after SS: HD got the trophy update it was downloaded over 500 times in 24 hours?
Fact.

That's not indicative of future sales but merely of the curious PS3 owners who wanted to see what the fuss was about since it's the only one really showcasing the feature.

A more subjective inquiry, is 500 really supposed to be impressive?

[chartwel]

i know many people who choose 360 multiplatform titles when they are essentially equal on both systems because of, guess what, achievements. so i think yes, it can make a difference. one less reason for a multi-console owner to choose a 360 version over a ps3 version.

[curryking1]

I think trophies suck. I think they are boring. I think they are a waste of time. I am completely uninterested in the idea of going out of the way of playing the game in my particular way to get trophies. Acquiring trophies through specific electronic statistics does not fall under my definition of fun.

Shooting Helghast is fun for me. Specifically trying to get 25 headshots in a row is not interesting to me. Trophies get in the way of my own fun of playing the game naturally I think. If I wanted to shoot Helghast in the head so many times I would do so but not because a trophy told me I needed to do such a thing. I personally just want to play my game however I feel I want to at the time.

That said I might aim for a trophy once in a while and sometimes even for me it will add some replay value - maybe I'll just feel like getting a trophy one day. It's just another thing to do and that can't be bad if I'm bored. It's really only a positive addition. Those who don't want it don't need to pay attention to it and for those who really enjoy it, well then it's finally here.

I totally recognize that a lot of people do enjoy this feature and I'm glad the PS3 is getting it. A lot of people enjoy it obviously on the Xbox so it's not like it's difficult to say that there would be PS3 players who want a similar experience.

I agree with masteratt and I think he has enough support in that Xbox players see more appeal in games when they have achievements/easy achievements. I have no problem if it levels the PS3 on another bullet point feature and helps for the market advancing for the PS3 and PS3 games.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Curryking, I think Trophies are what add fun and value to a game the 2nd and 3rd and up time you play a game. The first time you play through a game it takes a specific kind of nut to bog themselves down with trophy acquisition. I wasn't concerned with specific trophy objectives the first 100 times I played SS:HD. But with it, it breathed new life into a game that I do love, but lacked a certain motivation to play sometimes.

[curryking1]

Read my whole post you dick! DICK! Lol j/k.

I did say it's only positive and I'm glad people who want it get to play it. And even for those who don't want it, like me... when we're bored it can even for us be an extra incentive to keep playing. It's really only a positive thing.

Dick. Lol.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I read your whole post, cock!
GRAAAAARR!!
I was particularly taken aback by your vehement disinterest in Trophies which you so eloquently expressed with 2 verbose paragraphs. Ya cock.
It kinda came off as, I hate trophies, trophies are dumb, but they're cool I guess.





Cock.

[curryking1]

It was moar liek... dem be nice becuz moar PS3 happee. But I dun reli caarebear.

I just wanted to make sure everyone knew that I am not that interested in demz. But I hope trophy addicts now buy tonz of t3h gamezorz.

This : but they're cool I guess. - was too much of an understatement! I am oofendeded.

Ok? Kk. :D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

And then there was dancing.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/1201230616953.gif

[Viper]

So this is what it would be like if drunken speech slur translated onto typing.

[Jay Gee]

Curryking, I think Trophies are what add fun and value to a game the 2nd and 3rd and up time you play a game. The first time you play through a game it takes a specific kind of nut to bog themselves down with trophy acquisition. I wasn't concerned with specific trophy objectives the first 100 times I played SS:HD. But with it, it breathed new life into a game that I do love, but lacked a certain motivation to play sometimes.
Ditto. Coming back to SSHD changed my whole playstyle. I play the game so much more differently now, and it's a lot more enjoyable because of it, even if I don't get a trophy for my efforts.

[curryking1]

Don't quote Lali! He lost! HE LOSTTTT!!!

That gif is taking forever to load. I only have 500 kbps lol. 60 KBps. :(

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Jeez are you still on a 56gay?

[curryking1]

Is that like a soft drink or something?

Hey when did you get +repped? I thought just told everyone... you are only supposed to be neg repped b/c you're too noobzorz.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If I'm 'teh noobzorz' then you're teh newfag, I predate you 2 years.

[Jay Gee]

Hey when did you get +repped? I thought just told everyone... you are only supposed to be neg repped b/c you're too noobzorz.
I repped him. And the only thing you can do about it is except my friend invite, Londonstani.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Curryking is thinking, 'why didn't anyone tell me Lali rolls this deeep!!?'
heh heh

[AC!D]

I agree with Applefiend about it being a small feature in the grand scheme of features where X- box live is compared with PSN and suddenly when they both offer similar features it doesnt seem to make sense anymore to pay for live.

Everytime i read a review on IGN and Eurogamer in particular about a game that was feature similar and almost graphically identical like COD 4 they would big up the 360 version for achievements and before that it was for both achievments and rumble so i does make a big difference especially to reviewers who sell us on a game.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Good point Acid.

[Red_Eyes]

it wasn't until recently -- after 2.40 and 2.41 -- i realized that Achievements was actually a factor in selling the 360. i knew how popular it was but always assumed it was the inferiority of some multiplatform games that swung the pendulum Microsofts way.

after reading many, many posts on various forums and sites, i am astonished at the level of hype for Trophies. of course there are still those who complain about something or other but the majority are very positive.

Could Trophies make the difference? could this small firmware update, do for the PS3 what millions of dollars have failed to do in the past? has this update not only appeased PS3 owners but persuaded many 360 fans to opt for another platform?

Sure, why not. I mean, if it's there, it could only help, right?

[Nameless]

It's definitely a good thing to have parity with the 360 and provide players with additional motivation to replay titles. Also, I agree a small pocket of hardcore gamers could potentially pick one platform over the other due to achievements on Multiplatform releases.

Personally I could care less about Trophies, because in many ways it just shows your persistence to play a title and free time you dedicate to gaming...
I can say achievements come in handy when trying to assess someone's ability in multiplayer titles. At least the trophy would let you know if a player had some general skill if you are building a clan.
*It sucks COD4 has not plans to support this feature.*

Honestly I was more excited for ingame XMB, but trophies was needed to make the PSN feel complete.

[frosty]

Well, I could see the trophy system taking off if sony does it right. They are already talking about giving stuff away in home for getting a certain level with your trophies... if they take that and expand it, such as offering free psn downloads (games, music, and movies) for certain trophies, it will make players want to buy a wider variety of games to get those trophies.

[Nameless]

^ Not a bad idea...

[Jay Gee]

I also like the how trophies are actually set up by level. If a dev team knows they are going to put out a shit title, they should only place bronze trophies in their game. That way, people won't be tempted to purchase/rent garbage for the sake of leveling up.

[OG_Monkey]

Well, I could see the trophy system taking off if sony does it right. They are already talking about giving stuff away in home for getting a certain level with your trophies... if they take that and expand it, such as offering free psn downloads (games, music, and movies) for certain trophies, it will make players want to buy a wider variety of games to get those trophies.


Exactly!

^ Not a bad idea...

Wha!?...but...but...I said the same thing two pages ago :(

[cliffbo]

it seems that the one thing Trophies can do is revitalize an old title. the only down side to that is the fact that a lot of devs have said they have no plan 'at the moment' to patch games already in development, close to completion or older games. could this be a strategic move to help bolster sales later when sales start to lower?