McCain picks VP

[IEatFriedPikmin]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes_palin;_ylt=AvUyzFBd5vRfTVTgkiQDz1Js aMYA

I've never heard of her, but Palin sounds kinda looney.


I'm still stumped as to why McCain didn't choose Romney. To me, that is clearly the best choice...

I never would have thought that I would ever vote democrat... boo :(

[Leedogg]

I totally agree,

who the heck is she??????????

[curryking1]

Just saw this on TV.

Pros are being a powerful mother (apparently supported 2 children of whom she knew from before birth had down syndrome), gun advocate, forgot the rest. Obviously sounds strong as a person and fits the bill for such a role.

Last pro actually would probably be she is a woman. That is sure to attract sour grapes from Hillary's Democrat 'loss' and tilt the whole female vote even more towards the Republican side.

First criticism is being inexperienced at Federal level and at 44 being far younger than McCain, who is apparently about to exceed the life expectancy for the average American.

[venomv]

Yeah, she seems to young and inexperienced to me. I think the main reason she was chosen is that she is female, though her and McCain seem to agree on things and have similar personalities (what I gathered from what I have read).

[Pro A.]

And she's got that strong social conservative angle that McCain has been bitched out for not having.

Out of left field, certainly, but not a bad pick.

[Travis]

I feel bad for her. She is obviously being picked only because of her gender. She is being used in a political game. She should have turned it down.

[Krad]

Everyone knows McCain didn't even know her before choosing her as his VP.

[Oddyssey]

it will be interesting to see how this turns out now. I was kinda of leaning towards obama, but now I feel I need to revaluate both candidates, as of right now and see who I feel would would change things for the better.

[Garfunkel]

He is choosing her to make the voters feel like he is young and with it.

Unfortunately, most voters in the US are rather stupid and will go along for the ride.

[Oddyssey]

ouch, just like hoping on the obama train, because no one wants to lose so they just give into who is popular :). Generally, I wait to about now to start looking into the candidates. Now that it is narrowed down its will be easier to decide between 2 people vs, everyone who things they still have a chance of winning.

[woundingchaney]

The me too philosophy coming out of the Republic party isnt anything new (for either party as far as that goes). Damn she is very attractive. Im not one to criticize her over lack of experience nor should the Democrats given that Obama isnt very experienced either. Overall I believe that McCain definitely could have made a stronger choice for VP but this looks to be considerably more about media attention than a respectable VP candidate.

Overall Im sure I am at this point supporting Obama, but this election makes me feel as if Im being sold more empty promises than all the others within my life combined.

[Krad]

Both the VP picks blow. But McCain could die and Obama could be murdered. So a decent VP pick is essential in my opinion.

[Khaos]

Honestly, when I first saw her, I laughed. She sounds so ridiculous.

Dear MoveOn member,

Yesterday was John McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for "inexperience," here's who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.

Huh?

Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:

* She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1
* Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2
* She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3
* Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools [in science classes].4
* She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5
* She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6
* How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7

This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.

We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample:

She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK

She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK

As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK

Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK

She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK

I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK

So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares John McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced.

In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country.

In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family.

Thanks for all you do.

–Ilyse, Noah, Justin, Karin and the rest of the team

Sources:

1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-9761449-Q2u4NXx&t=1

3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-9761449-Q2u4NXx&t=2

4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-9761449-Q2u4NXx&t=3

5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-9761449-Q2u4NXx&t=4

6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-9761449-Q2u4NXx&t=5

"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-9761449-Q2u4NXx&t=6

"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-9761449-Q2u4NXx&t=7

7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-9761449-Q2u4NXx&t=8

Honestly, I think McCain doesn't want to "waste" a good Republican like Romney, so he picked Palin...

[Oddyssey]

sweet she is cool with drilling. other that I try not to base my vote on bullet points, nor summed up quotes. But thanks for posting I still think if anything this will be the most watched/reviewed political race ever for us. And if anything we all win once we get the monkey out of office.

[Khaos]

The purpose of that post was not to be your sole piece of information used for voting. I apologize if you were confused.

[Oddyssey]

yikes, sorry as well as coming off as dick, I understand why you posted that, and my comments where unnecessary.

[masonite]

"Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools [in science classes]"

If thats true, i find her quite amusing. Part of me wants the Right to win, just to watch what happens when she tries to push that through.

[Khaos]

I'd rather not risk it. There are several schools already that teach non-science as science, confusing the minds and crushing the scientific ability of our nation's youth. I guess all it would take is a grant for schools that teach it, just like abstinence-only education.

yikes, sorry as well as coming off as dick, I understand why you posted that, and my comments where unnecessary.
Haha, no problem.

[masonite]

I'd rather not risk it. There are several schools already that teach non-science as science, confusing the minds and crushing the scientific ability of our nation's youth. I guess all it would take is a grant for schools that teach it, just like abstinence-only education.

True, but it would give us an excuse to promote the teaching of pastafarianism as well... ;)

[Garfunkel]

I'd rather not risk it either. I don't want kids learning stuff about a particular religion regardless of their own beliefs.

[Viper]

We're off topic here but if Creationism is taught in schools they may as well add the Bible as a history class text book.

On topic: His pick as VP is a joke. A poorly veiled attempt to grab the Hilary's out there. Pathetic really.

[D3adcell]

I think i'm just going to do a write in on this election.

[Khaos]

We're off topic here but if Creationism is taught in schools they may as well add the Bible as a history class text book.

On topic: His pick as VP is a joke. A poorly veiled attempt to grab the Hilary's out there. Pathetic really.
I am still in awe that McCain chose her. And I can't believe that some people are praising McCain over it, but I guess in this country, there will always be people like that. This article is just a mindblow though:
Evangelicals energized by McCain-Palin ticket

By ERIC GORSKI – 1 day ago

Sarah Palin already has energized conservative religious leaders who had fretted that John McCain would pick an abortion rights supporter as his running mate. The Alaska governor was raised in a Pentecostal church and has called herself "as pro-life as any candidate can be."

To Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religion Liberties Commission, Palin is "straight out of veep central casting." Land said he had urged the McCain camp to consider the political unknown.

Gary Bauer, one of McCain's most enthusiastic evangelical supporters, said the Arizona senator had hit a "grand slam home run" and that adding Palin to the GOP ticket is "guaranteed to energize values voters."

The 44-year-old mother of five, who led her high school chapter of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, was baptized as a teenager at the Wasilla Assembly of God Church, where she and her family were very active, according to her then-pastor, Paul Riley.

She now sometimes worships at the Juneau Christian Center, which is also part of the Pentecostal Assemblies of God, said Brad Kesler, business administrator of the denomination's Alaska District. But her home church is The Church on the Rock, an independent congregation, Riley said.

"The church was kind of a foundation for her," said Riley, who said he gave the invocation at Palin's inauguration and had her address students at the church last month.

Maria Comella, a spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, said Palin attends different churches and does not consider herself Pentecostal.

As a politician, Palin has sided with the majority evangelical view in opposing gay marriage and expressing a desire to see creationism discussed alongside evolution in schools.

During a 2006 debate, she said she was a proponent of teaching both evolution and creationism in schools. She later clarified her stance in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying that she doesn't think creationism needed to be part of the curriculum and that she would not push the state Board of Education to add such alternatives to the state's required curriculum.

Not only does Palin oppose abortion as a matter of policy, but she chose to give birth to her youngest child, a son, after a prenatal exam indicated Down syndrome. Studies show that about nine in 10 pregnant women who are given a Down syndrome diagnosis have chosen to have an abortion.

"That will resonate in a big way," said Quin Monson, a Brigham Young University professor who studies religion and politics.

Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, who initially said he could not vote for McCain but has since opened the door to an endorsement, called Palin "an outstanding choice that should be extremely reassuring to the conservative base" of the GOP. Dobson added that the ticket "gives us confidence he will keep his pledges to voters regarding the kinds of justices he would nominate to the Supreme Court."

"It's an absolutely brilliant choice," said Mathew Staver, dean of Liberty University School of Law. "This will absolutely energize McCain's campaign and energize conservatives."

Staver called Palin a "a woman of faith who has a strong position on life, a consistent opinion on judges. ... She's the complete package."

A Pew poll last week showed McCain leading Democrat Barack Obama 68 percent to 24 percent among white evangelical Protestants. But there was little enthusiasm: Only 28 percent of white evangelicals call themselves "strong" supporters of McCain, far short of President Bush's numbers four years ago.

Many evangelical leaders said McCain helped himself with a solid performance at Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, where McCain proclaimed, "I will be a pro-life president."

Mark Silk, who specializes in religion and politics at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., cautioned that while evangelical leaders are praising the Palin pick, it might not necessarily trickle down.

"The question is how this will be received by a lot of rank-and-file evangelicals who are just Americans struggling along, going to their megachurches, and care about values," Silk said.

Some question whether old-guard traditional leaders, like Dobson, hold as much influence as in the past. The evangelical establishment never warmed to former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's candidacy, but grass-roots evangelicals contributed to his big win in the Iowa primaries.

Evangelical leaders got worried when McCain floated the possibility of a vice presidential candidate who supports abortion rights, including Sen. Joe Lieberman or former Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge.

By choosing Palin, "McCain is saying to social and religious conservatives, 'I'm taking your views incredibly seriously,'" said Michael Cromartie, director of the evangelical studies program at the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington.

Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g4-w_DCWffagBaQb8Il9a0R2hkPAD92SL7E00


I hate one-issue voters.

[curryking1]

I'm hearing some very poor reports on this VP pick...

Apparently, as the Alaskan Governor (that's pretty lame already), she is under investigation for allegedly trying to fire her sister's husband. The husband has a good government position from what I've heard and this is all stemming from some poor relations/rough times in her sister's marriage.

There is supposedly a tape of this governor speaking to a small audience of her workplace about getting this man fired.

Also another criticism is her policies. Apparently her policies are very scattered in terms of some being completely right wing, some all the way left... almost in a random and irrational fashion.

These things I've heard are from a group of people, whom I have a lot of respect for, I've overheard discussing (I was in the same room, just listening actually) the new VP pick.

For me the pick for VP has simply pushed me even further away from the Repub party lol Not that I have been completely over Obama lately, who for being black really only has his skin colour btw, but his VP pick is just flat out epic.

I think I like Biden about 5 times as much as Obama at this point.

[Media]

McCain was running on judgement and experience, and he just fucked it all up by showing poor judgement in leaving the country with a completely inexperienced person in the case of his high-risk death (considering his age and several bouts with cancer.)

[Travis]

And now her daughter is pregnant. 5 months pregnant. 5 months ago she was supposed to be out of school with mono, right? Who has the energy to have sex when they have mono?

Look out for a miscarriage, guys. I smell something fishy. I'm sure National Enquirer will get to the bottom of it ;)

[IEatFriedPikmin]

Apparently she has an 80% approval rating as governor of Alaska (according to older brother).

Anyways, after doing some more research, I think she isn't as bad as she sounds. I think she would be a decent VPILF, but if McCain were to die, I would not want this lady running the country.

[jaxmkii]

if we end up with mcain im moving to europe...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

McCain is trying to say with this move that one woman is as good as another, that all the embittered Hilary supporters (SLAP THE SAND OUT OF YOUR VAGINA AND MOVE ON, THIS IS BIGGER THAN YOU), will jump to the right side regardless of the issues and the party's stances on them. It's a big fucking insult, and the sad thing is, I can see a lot of voters, especially women voters marching happily in line to McCain.

[TrueVCU]

It seems Ms. Palin was once an advocate for alaskan independence (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html)

Gentlemen, the trainwreck continues

[XboxEvolved]

Being a registered Republican that has been frustrated over his party over the past few years, this kind of stuff just pisses me off even more. Still, McCain is really fucking smart about it, or dumb depending on how you look at it.

Palin is not only hot (most republican women are hot though) but she has a family a little handicapped baby, and shoots guns. Now, on one hand she's hot but on the other hand, she is a woman and a lot of people still wouldn't like the fact that there is a woman on the ticket, but on the other hand tons more would. It is a really, really dirty trick but I think because of her inexperience it will all basically balance out. Now with her daughter, its obvious the McCain camp knew about it before hand and they released this statement just an hour before the RNC meet up began. Kind of a nifty coincidence dont you think? Her daughter being pregnant and marrying the dad will just help them out though.

Then you have Gustav which basically brought the RNC to a halt today, with only Mrs McCain and Bush coming out to say donate to people in need in the path of the hurricane, and the Republicans all collectively making sure they don't do a repeat of Katrina. Bush isn't even going to be at the RNC, which he says because of Gustav, but Im sure he wouldnt show up anyways, simply because they want McCain to win.

[Bryan]

It's a dumb choice for the long run, and it'll cost him. I still haven't seen anyone mention the bridge to nowhere! Way to be fiscally conservative. You'd think that when Alaska can afford to kickback $1200 to every resident that it could give federal money back it doesn't use.

Oh well.

[TheGreenElf]

And now her daughter is pregnant. 5 months pregnant. 5 months ago she was supposed to be out of school with mono, right? Who has the energy to have sex when they have mono?

Look out for a miscarriage, guys. I smell something fishy. I'm sure National Enquirer will get to the bottom of it ;)

That's not quite the story actually, at least not what I read...

Get ready, here comes a scandal report...

Palin's 16 year old daughter was sick from school for about 5 months right before the Down Syndrome child was born, (unvalidated absence, mind you) with something Palin once stated was Mono and during this time the daughter was basically not seen (again, 5 months!). Then she (Palin) took less than a month off work and "had" this child with Down Syndrome, and reports from coworkers and friends reveal that Palin had never showed any signs of pregnancy (no baby "bump" or anything even in the 7th and 8th months) or rarely any mention of it. They think it's actually her 16 year old daughters but that wouldn't sit well with her faith.

Even worse, McCain met with Palin once in February, never talked again. The McCain camp flew her to Arizona last weekend and then McCain met with her on Thursday (yes, one day before the VP announcement) and offered her the VP slot on the spot. This is a month after Palin had been asked about whether she'd accept a VP slot if offered (at the time, a long shot) and she asked "What does a VP do? I don't think they really do anything, and I'm too hardworking for that position."

[Travis]

Yeah, but she was out of school for part of those total 5 months 5 months ago. Which is how pregnant she is supposed to be.

I recently saw a picture of Sarah Palin 7 months pregnant where she actually looked pregnant, though. So I don't really see myself following this anymore. There are plenty of other reasons that she is essentially the worst VP pick in modern history.

[curryking1]

Apparently she has an 80% approval rating as governor of Alaska (according to older brother).

There's only like 6000 people in Alaska.

And they apparently tried to shroud her daughter's pregnancy. It seems the story 5 months ago was that she was taken out of school due to mono. Apparently she is 5 months pregnant.

It seems Ms. Palin was once an advocate for alaskan independence (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html)

Gentlemen, the trainwreck continues

HAHA! Now that is classic.

[Black Dragon37]

Nice move? (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-to-media.html)

[Viper]

Yeah, that was a smooth move and really refreshing to hear.

[curryking1]

Lol, Obama takes a win off of dirt dug up on the competition.

And not because I don't think the same way, something like this shouldn't matter.

But it will anyway which is funny.

[Khaos]

Something I've been hearing a lot recently:

"Do we want Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency?"

I don't know, I think it's a valid concern.

Also, for laughs:
Sarah Palin's To-Do List


Learn about al-Qaida.
Learn about Washington, D.C.
Order Bristol's dress (Elastic waist!!! Is white inappropriate after six months?)
Fire brother-in-law.
Learn about Russia/Georgia/S. Ossetia (Locate Abkhazia???)
Nurse Baby Trig.
Order flowers for wedding.
Fire people who haven't fired brother-in-law.
Learn about ethics rules.
Fire at brother-in-law? (Option: aerial shooting?)
Nurse Baby Trig.
Learn about Iran.
Learn about U.S. Senate.
Learn about contraception. (Too late???)
Investigate homes for foundlings?
Govern Alaska.
Life insurance on J.M.?

[kaphwan]

"Do we want Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency?"

Or lack thereof, in McCain's case.

He is getting long in the tooth.

[TrueVCU]

The wave of tidbits from Palin's past continues (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_scrubbing_car_wash.html)

It's like watching someone being nibbled to death by ducks.

[JasonXe]

9qUVQDmLf7s

[Bryan]

Wow.. that's like something Karl Rove would make.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

someone just wrote on another board I frequent:
God damn, I'd rather be fucked in the ear and ass simultaneously with porcupine quills than listen to any more of Sarah Palin's voice.

[Travis]

So, her speech tonight was full of the tried-and-true Republican arrogance, mockery, and fear-mongering.

Welcome the change, everyone. McCain/Palin '08.

[JasonXe]

i didn't watch it, maybe someone youtube it. But my mom who was watching saying they were using the fear tactic again. I also caught Rudy saying that the whoever the VP name is should have it in writing. I thought that was quite funny.

[masonite]

They showed a bit of it on the ABC news tonight. My god her voice is annoying. They followed it up with walking around asking people if they knew who Sarah Palin was, with predictable results. It honestly seems like they've run their finger down a list of all the republican possibles, and picked the first woman they could find.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The 2nd woman. They've got a more experienced party member/leader than her who got passed over, along with all the other guys who SHOULD HAVE BEEN the VP nominee.

[Black Dragon37]

Q: What is the difference between a hockey mum and a pitbull?

A: Lipstick.

Palin's words, not mine.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

I like this lady the more I learn about her...

80% approval rate in Alaska? Who gets that high?

[Viper]

I like this lady the more I learn about her...

80% approval rate in Alaska? Who gets that high?

Bill Clinton.


Oh you meant approval rating.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I like this lady the more I learn about her...

80% approval rate in Alaska? Who gets that high?

Alaska has more reindeer than people for god's sake.

[Khaos]

I can't stand her. I'm scared of what will happen to this country if McCain/Palin get elected. What a horrible setback that would be.

No abortions, not even for rape/incest. "In 2006, while running for governor, Palin was asked what she would do if her own daughter were raped and became pregnant; she responded that she would "choose life"." That's horrible.

Leaving our high schoolers in the dark when it comes to sex safety. "According to CNN, in 2006 Palin supported abstinence-only education in Alaskan schools.[9] She wrote, "Explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," on a questionnaire while running for governor in 2006." And we wonder why the teen birth rate is rising in abstinence-only states and falling in abstinence+ states.

"The Washington Post reported that in April 2008, Palin, "who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live."[11] Palin also opposed funding to prevent teen pregnancies." They didn't practice abstinence, so they don't deserve help?

Supports government-mandated murder. "Though Alaska has no current death penalty statute, Palin has declared herself in favor of capital punishment. She has stated that: "If the legislature passed a death penalty law, I would sign it.""

Opposes legalization of cannibis.

Doesn't think global warming is caused by humans. "On August 29, 2008, Palin stated in an interview: "A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."" I think we should get those damn apes to shut down their coal plants.

She is against listing polar bears as an endangered species, because that will hurt her plans for destroying the enviroment in Alaska in order to tap into oil. "In January 2008, Palin wrote an opinion column for The New York Times in which she opposed the listing of polar bears as an endangered species, claiming that she had based her position on a comprehensive review of expert scientific opinion. State biologists have disagreed that such support exists. In May 2008, she threatened to sue the federal government over their decision to list the bears. She again questioned the scientific basis for the listing, and warned that it would adversely affect energy development in Alaska. Palin also opposes strengthening protections for beluga whales in Alaska's Cook Inlet, where oil and gas development has been proposed, on economic grounds."

Finally, for one that affects me, she is strongly against the government recognizing my marital commitment to another person if they happen to be the "wrong" gender. She even strongly opposes the government giving out or legalizing any sort of benefit for same-sex couples. She is against domestic partnership registries as well. So, in essence, she prescribes to the belief that those gay couples don't really exist and if we ignore them, they'll go away.

She is also against hate-crime law, saying that all crimes are hate-based. But obviously she doesn't understand the value of those types of laws in our society. I have a thread on it somewhere if anyone is interested.

She supports teaching philosophy class items in a science class (i.e. creationism), thereby further confusing our students on what science actually is.

And she doesn't have many political positions documented. If you look at her page on OnTheIssues (http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm), you'll see that some sections have no positions, while many have very few.

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/7963/palinheilxm2.jpg

[Travis]

The true skill Republicans have is that they hit their talking points so hard and so often that people take their words as gospel. This shit about her being a "maverick" and "fighting the power" are lies. She was initially for the 'bridge to nowhere,' abused her power to have people fired for personal reasons (she's under fucking ethics investigation! what the fuck, America?), etc.

Lies. Lies, lies, lies. But by-gosh, she loves 'Merica. Land of the free, home of the sheep. At least we have freedom of the press... oh wait, they don't do shit. A fucking COMEDIAN on the COMEDY CHANNEL exposes conservative bullshit (and liberal bullshit) more effectively in 30 MINUTES than the 24 hour cable channels do ALL FUCKING DAY.

Goddamnit.

[JasonXe]

well atleast she is bangable to an extent. That will get 20% of male voters right there.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

I can't stand her. I'm scared of what will happen to this country if McCain/Palin get elected. What a horrible setback that would be.

No abortions, not even for rape/incest. "In 2006, while running for governor, Palin was asked what she would do if her own daughter were raped and became pregnant; she responded that she would "choose life"." That's horrible.
She is pro-life, except when the mother's life is in danger... although I think the rape/incest question is debatable. Heck, I don't even know where I stand on that issue. Also, keep in mind that this was 2 years ago. I have heard that she has lightened up on her position since then.


Leaving our high schoolers in the dark when it comes to sex safety. "According to CNN, in 2006 Palin supported abstinence-only education in Alaskan schools.[9] She wrote, "Explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," on a questionnaire while running for governor in 2006." And we wonder why the teen birth rate is rising in abstinence-only states and falling in abstinence+ states.

"The Washington Post reported that in April 2008, Palin, "who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live."[11] Palin also opposed funding to prevent teen pregnancies." They didn't practice abstinence, so they don't deserve help?

I think abstinence should be pushed more than anything, but I do agree that safe sex should be taught as well.


Supports government-mandated murder. "Though Alaska has no current death penalty statute, Palin has declared herself in favor of capital punishment. She has stated that: "If the legislature passed a death penalty law, I would sign it.""
I'm for the death penalty.

Opposes legalization of cannibis.
I hate this issue. I think we should legalize it just to shut people up. The hippies should realize that there are more important issues at hand over whether or not they can get high.

Doesn't think global warming is caused by humans. "On August 29, 2008, Palin stated in an interview: "A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."" I think we should get those damn apes to shut down their coal plants.
Another debatable subject. I tend to lean more towards the fact that our Earth goes through stages.


She is against listing polar bears as an endangered species, because that will hurt her plans for destroying the enviroment in Alaska in order to tap into oil. "In January 2008, Palin wrote an opinion column for The New York Times in which she opposed the listing of polar bears as an endangered species, claiming that she had based her position on a comprehensive review of expert scientific opinion. State biologists have disagreed that such support exists. In May 2008, she threatened to sue the federal government over their decision to list the bears. She again questioned the scientific basis for the listing, and warned that it would adversely affect energy development in Alaska. Palin also opposes strengthening protections for beluga whales in Alaska's Cook Inlet, where oil and gas development has been proposed, on economic grounds."We need to drill into Alaska. I am a huge supporter of energy independence. She also supports research for alternative energy resources.


Finally, for one that affects me, she is strongly against the government recognizing my marital commitment to another person if they happen to be the "wrong" gender. She even strongly opposes the government giving out or legalizing any sort of benefit for same-sex couples. She is against domestic partnership registries as well. So, in essence, she prescribes to the belief that those gay couples don't really exist and if we ignore them, they'll go away.
I agree with you here obviously, but I think there are some unnecessary assumptions. This issue isn't on the top of my list of worries.

She supports teaching philosophy class items in a science class (i.e. creationism), thereby further confusing our students on what science actually is.
When dealing with controversial theories like evolution, I have no problem with teachers stressing that it is a theory and that other opposing beliefs exist out in the world. That's how it was done in my biology class... it seemed pretty fair to me.

And she doesn't have many political positions documented. If you look at her page on OnTheIssues (http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm), you'll see that some sections have no positions, while many have very few.

I don't know if i would rely on that site as a complete source of information, especially when you look at other governors. Also, remember she is new... I am sure she has positions on most of these issues.

I do have some issues with her... the biggest being that she ties her religion too close to her political ideals. But at the same time, she has morals that I think are necessary for politicians. In the past she has done a lot of good for Alaska. Like I said, she has an 80% approval rating there, she has declined wasteful spending within the government (she sold that luxury jet on ebay), and she got rid of dirty politicians in Alaska (both democrats and republicans).

[JasonXe]

All I want is change from the bush admin. I think if they keep on with that message and how mccain/palin are going to continue that trend then they should be alright. Then Obama can scream we want change and what not.

I saw Mccain on t.v, jeez he walks/turns around like a oldie too.

[masonite]

Explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support

:wtf:

I'm curious as to how you educate kids about sex without talking about sex. Or even why it needs to be done without talking about sex. I mean, the kids are going to find out about their natural instincts, you can either give them the best information possible, or you can pretend issues such as teenage pregnancy won't exist if you don't talk about them.

How ironic it is that someone opposed to "explicit sex education" and who promotes pro-abstinence as a viable concept now has a pregnant teenage daughter. She's a real walking advertisement for the effectiveness of pro-abstinence alright. :rollseyes:


Being pro-life and supporting the death penalty also seems somewhat contradictory to me. Its hard to preach the sanctity of foetus' and the disposableness of a fully grown human being in the same sentence.


Her stance on drilling seems fairly ridiculous. Her response to increasing prices and demand on a finite source is to start drilling for more of it, rather than offering incentives to wean people off it. Its like two cars racing towards a cliff. The one in front (us) is trying to get away from the one behind (dependence on oil) before we get to the cliff (running out of oil). Rather than thinking "how can we slow down the car behind us?", she's thinking "fucking hell! speed up so we can get away from them!".
I don't think i need to point out the stupidity of this course of action.


When dealing with controversial theories like evolution, I have no problem with teachers stressing that it is a theory and that other opposing beliefs exist out in the world. That's how it was done in my biology class... it seemed pretty fair to me.

Evolution might be a theory, but its the best one we've got. If another theory comes along which better explains the way things happened based on EVIDENCE, rather than based on a 2000 year old book which claims the earth is 6000 years old, i guarantee you the entire scientific world will welcome it with open arms. Creationism isn't laughed at because its an alternative theory, its laughed at because there is NO REAL evidence to support it. Pastafarianism has already demonstrated what we can claim using the "evidence" of creationism, along with russel's teapot.

I really can't believe that someone who seems like a perfect posterchild for extreme right-wing beliefs has made it to possible VP.

[JasonXe]

I'm curious as to how you educate kids about sex without talking about sex

It has been proven that you can easily use puppets to demonstrate it to teenagers. Here is a example.

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Don't share partners!!

[TrueVCU]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Einland/palin.jpg

[jaxmkii]

I like this lady the more I learn about her...

80% approval rate in Alaska? Who gets that high?

thats what happens when you include your entire population in on the oil co. bribery.

FACT: every alaskan recives 1200usd for alowing oil drilling in the state.

FACT: Mcain wants to give more crack to the junky buy drilling for more oil in alaska.

see the conection

MC: help me be prez and i'll turn ancorage into the next Dubui...
Sarra:how ?
MC:be VP and get the me the catholic puppy mill vote. than let me drill ya... i mean alaska!

[IEatFriedPikmin]

Her stance on drilling seems fairly ridiculous. Her response to increasing prices and demand on a finite source is to start drilling for more of it, rather than offering incentives to wean people off it. Its like two cars racing towards a cliff. The one in front (us) is trying to get away from the one behind (dependence on oil) before we get to the cliff (running out of oil). Rather than thinking "how can we slow down the car behind us?", she's thinking "fucking hell! speed up so we can get away from them!".
I don't think i need to point out the stupidity of this course of action.

She still supports research for alternative energy resources. America relies on oil too much. We our addicted. But we do need it. Our lives our built around it in every way. Yes, people should conserve, but offering incentives to help people do that is not nearly enough to signifcantly decrease our demand.


Evolution might be a theory, but its the best one we've got. If another theory comes along which better explains the way things happened based on EVIDENCE, rather than based on a 2000 year old book which claims the earth is 6000 years old, i guarantee you the entire scientific world will welcome it with open arms. Creationism isn't laughed at because its an alternative theory, its laughed at because there is NO REAL evidence to support it. Pastafarianism has already demonstrated what we can claim using the "evidence" of creationism, along with russel's teapot.

So what's wrong with saying what you just typed to a high school biology class?

I would expect science teachers to use common sense. I have no problem with stressing that evolution is a scientific theory and is the only theory backed up by science. It is as simple as that. It's perfectly fine to mention that there are other theories out there. In my high school, during his intro to evolution my teacher just briefly discussed how there are several different religions around the world and how they all have different views, but he wouldn't go into detail on any of them because, like you said, there was no scientific evidence of any of them. I believe by doing this, students allowed themselves to give a fair and unbiased look at evolution, while keeping their own belief system.

[TrueVCU]

So what's wrong with saying what you just typed to a high school biology class?

I would expect science teachers to use common sense. I have no problem with stressing that evolution is a scientific theory and is the only theory backed up by science. It is as simple as that. It's perfectly fine to mention that there are other theories out there. In my high school, during his intro to evolution my teacher just briefly discussed how there are several different religions around the world and how they all have different views, but he wouldn't go into detail on any of them because, like you said, there was no scientific evidence of any of them. I believe by doing this, students allowed themselves to give a fair and unbiased look at evolution, while keeping their own belief system.

Creationism, in any form is NOT science. My main problem is context: putting creationism into a scientific realm gives it credibility it simply does not have. If you want it taught, teach it in a philosophy class or something. Saying creationism is an alternative "theory" to evolution is like calling alchemy an alternative to chemistry.

[masonite]

She still supports research for alternative energy resources. America relies on oil too much. We our addicted. But we do need it. Our lives our built around it in every way. Yes, people should conserve, but offering incentives to help people do that is not nearly enough to signifcantly decrease our demand.


So what's wrong with saying what you just typed to a high school biology class?

I would expect science teachers to use common sense. I have no problem with stressing that evolution is a scientific theory and is the only theory backed up by science. It is as simple as that. It's perfectly fine to mention that there are other theories out there. In my high school, during his intro to evolution my teacher just briefly discussed how there are several different religions around the world and how they all have different views, but he wouldn't go into detail on any of them because, like you said, there was no scientific evidence of any of them. I believe by doing this, students allowed themselves to give a fair and unbiased look at evolution, while keeping their own belief system.


Drilling for more oil does absolutely nothing to decrease demand - if anything, it will just drive down US oil prices, increasing usage once again. If you want US to reduce its oil dependency, more drilling will in no way, shape or form help. If she's such a staunch supporter of alternative energy, whats the point of drilling for more oil? the position is contradictory. Why doesn't she use that money to...i don't know...support alternative energy? It sounds to me like "supports alternative power research" is just something shes writing on her ticket to try and sway a few more voters. I highly doubt someone who claims we're not responsible for global warming at all is truly interested in researching alternative sources of energy. Theres no point in trying to stop the short term dependence of US on oil reserves if you're goal is to find alternative power sources. you're better off spending those billions of dollars on support and infrastructure for alternative sources in the first place, which will help a lot more in the long term.



Teachers do use common sense, which is why they don't waste time telling students about theories that have no factual basis whatsoever. Honestly, why should teachers have to say "by the way, there are other theories, but they're a load of nonsense"? Science shouldn't have to pander to the whims and fallacies spread by religion. There are many alternative theories in all different areas of schooling, not just science, and they aren't taught because of their complete lack of proof. If another theory comes along that makes as much (or more) sense as evolution, it will be included into the curriculum. Until that happens, theres only one scientific theory that holds weight - evolution. People know its just a theory because its called the theory of evolution.

Teachers shouldn't have to discuss alternative religious theories in biology because science is not religion. If they want to learn about the earth being 6000 years old, they can do so in religion.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

I'll debate the oil issue later (heading to bed), but I'll just paste the conversation I had with True:


I don't think it is absolutely necessary to mention creationism.
It's a high school science class. A lot of students walk in there with their parent's mindset when learning evolution. It's important to clarify the difference between the two so those students with a strong "anti-evolution" background are more willing to learn. Keep in mind I come from a conservative west TX town. A lot of students here went into that class with a thick head concerning evolution, and clarifying why evolution is taught and not creationism in a polite manner helped weaken their thick heads.

[masonite]

I'm all for explaining why evolution is taught, its the idea of teaching creationism (or similar "theories") along side evolution in science classes that bothers me, whch is what Palin seems to be in support of.

[Travis]

When creationism can be defended using the scientific method, then start teaching it in science class. Until then, why would you teach something in science class that can't be scientifically defended?

[Viper]

We're off topic here but if Creationism is taught in schools they may as well add the Bible as a history class text book.
thought I'd quote myself since it seems relevant again.


Also, no one got my Bill Clinton joke. *sad*

[Khaos]

Many economists have pointed out that the best way to wean America off of oil is to hike up the prices. Not to mention drilling offshore and in Alaska takes time to set up. The infrastructure for such projects takes atleast 10 years to implement. More oil will definitely not help the problem. It will probably set us back, because the lower price will increase our dependence on it. Notice how the price of oil is falling before the election? Big Oil is getting a tad worried and wants to put the oil issue in the back of America's mind, so that it isn't a consideration for voters.

Alternative fuel is the way to go. Wasting billions of dollars to get more oil that will increase only our dependence is suicidal for America.

Replying to a previous post, I see you view the cannabis issue as a minor and small issue, but I've always viewed it as a big financial issue for the prison system, along with mandatory three strikes sentencing. We are arresting lots of people for the littlest thing and paying for their room, board, and food in the prison system. Not to mention our prisons are overcrowded. The War on Drugs is yet another drain on the budget of our government. That's my issue with it.

Same thing with the death penalty. It is hugely expensive and not an effective deterrant by any means. America and Japan are the only remaining first-world countries that still execute people, which I think is horrible.

[D3adcell]

Same thing with the death penalty. It is hugely expensive and not an effective deterrant by any means. America and Japan are the only remaining first-world countries that still execute people, which I think is horrible.

I just had to laugh at that when earlier I read a post of yours that said something like "she said she would choose life over abortion in cases of rape or incest, thats horrible".

[Khaos]

I highly doubt embryos are comparable in any significant way to living, breathing, thinking human being.

[Black Dragon37]

I just had to laugh at that when earlier I read a post of yours that said something like "she said she would choose life over abortion in cases of rape or incest, thats horrible".I called that Rape Advice Line earlier today.

Unfortunately, it's only for victims.

[Viper]

I highly doubt embryos are comparable in any significant way to living, breathing, thinking human being.

Correct, one kills people the other doesn't.

[JasonXe]

All i know is David Jaffe pwns. He reminds me so much of myself.

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[Bryan]

I think Bill Hicks said it best when he said "you aren't a human til you're in my phone book."

[kaphwan]

Correct, one kills people the other doesn't.

Threat of life to the mother? Then again I think you're for abortion in that case anyway.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

^haha... nice.

[Viper]

Threat of life to the mother? Then again I think you're for abortion in that case anyway.

Malice being the difference maker and yes, I'm for abortion if it is suspected that the mother would be in extreme mortal danger. My logic is based on the notions that she may have other children already and a saved newborn sans mother is incredibly tough.

[kaphwan]

I play the Hard Determinism card.

[Khaos]

Correct, one kills people the other doesn't.

Hey now, I've never killed anyone. :-(

Interesting article:
Ryan Quinn is a writer whose work has appeared in Outsports.com, XC Skier Magazine, and The Anchorage Daily News. He is a former college athlete and NCAA Division I National Champion, and came out to his teammates at the University of Utah during his sophomore year of college. He is often called upon to speak on panels discussing identity and social barriers in sports and culture. He was born and raised in Alaska, and now lives in New York City.

To my fellow Americans:

I’m an Alaskan. I grew up in Wasilla. Sarah Palin was my mayor. She wanted to ban books at the library where my parents taught me how to read. There have been many interesting pieces of journalism introducing my gun toting, mooseburger-eating former neighbors (I now live in Manhattan) to the rest of the country, and most have focused on how proud Alaskans are of their governor making the surprise leap to the big leagues.

Sarah Palin’s story is compelling, but it is one that could happen only in Alaska, where the politics and the economy are simple and where it’s not difficult to spend a lifetime sheltered from the complexities and diversity of the outside world. I love my home state; I wouldn’t trade my childhood there with anyone. And I hope the Palin intrigue will translate into a boost in tourism that will further enrich the state’s $5 billion budget surplus, so that when Gov. Palin returns to Juneau in November she can continue to serve Alaska’s interests with relative ease.

But as reporters roam the streets where I grew up, chatting with my ecstatic neighbors, I feel compelled to offer another view, as an American, by pointing out that John McCain has demonstrated an alarming lapse of judgment by choosing Sarah Palin as his party’s VP candidate. Choosing a running mate was his first and only concrete test of judgment in the campaign process. Here’s why he failed.

My fellow Alaskans have vouched for Palin as a charming, interesting person. I can add to that that she is perfectly friendly. But now she is running for the highest office and so it must be noted that Sarah Palin the Friendly Neighbor is different from Sarah Palin the Executive. The latter is a woman with intense agendas guided by a narrow set of culturally conservative and extreme religious values. She believes that abstinence should be the only form of sex education taught to teenagers; she believes that creationism should be taught alongside science in our schools; she is against a woman’s right to choose even in the cases of incest and rape; and her church believes gay and lesbian Americans can and, one assumes, should be corrected by prayer (“pray away the gay” is their cheery slogan).

When she was mayor of my hometown, these extreme views came off as petty and irrelevant to people like me who did not share them. There seemed little cause for alarm. Most Alaskans are happy to live and let live; we don’t think of ourselves as Republican or Democrat. Besides, as mayor, it’s not like she had the power to wiretap our phones, amend our constitution, or send us to war.

But she did try to use her power to ban books. Wasilla’s popular public librarian rightly objected, and the community rightly backed the librarian. The books were never banned, though Mrs. Palin did fire the librarian for not agreeing with her political views, then rescinded the firing after it was clear she’d made an unpopular decision. Sarah Palin’s behavior is revealing: in a state as isolated as Alaska, in a town as small as Wasilla, books are vital to the culture and to the education of its residents. The small town values I learned growing up included attending story hour at the public library. Those values most certainly did not include trying to ban books that the mayor’s church friends didn’t think other people should read.

It will be interesting to see what effect Gov. Palin’s penchant for reform will have on the McCain campaign. Will she put one of Cindy McCain’s private jets on eBay? Maybe one of the McCain’s seven houses? It certainly hasn’t meant she’ll answer any questions from voters or the press. Her very first media interview won’t come until later this week. The reason is clear: she’s not ready to answer questions about the housing crisis, foreign policy or healthcare. So far she’s been allowed into public view only to deliver a speech similar to the one she gave at her party’s convention, the one in which, with the sass and smile of a punch line, she ridiculed community organizers who step up to help less fortunate communities whose government has allowed them to fall through the cracks. Her speech made for good television, something the McCain camp felt they desperately needed. And it sure fired up the folks at the Republican National Convention. Who can blame them? They finally have a candidate who can shoot a gun, drink a beer AND speak in complete English sentences. This is real change for them.

In recent days, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin have directed accusations of elitism at the Democratic ticket as well as at the media, suggesting that there is something undesirable about a presidential candidate with extensive knowledge of foreign policy, inner city community struggles, constitutional law, and the complexities of the major domestic crises. This is baffling. Don’t we want an elite leader? Don’t we want a White House made transparent by an elite press? We are a large and complex nation with large and complex problems. Common sense suggests, and the last eight years have shown, that perhaps the president should be something of an elite leader.

Barack Obama studied international relations at Columbia (he also has a law degree and has taught constitutional law) before returning to Chicago to be a community organizer. Meanwhile, Mrs. Palin ran for Miss Alaska (she placed second) and then received a Bachelor’s degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho. She returned to Alaska and became a reporter at a television station’s sports desk.

For just 22 months Sarah Palin has been the governor of a state of just 680,000 people that is “awash” in money (as former Alaska governor Tony Knowles put it) and receives more pork-barrel money per capita than any other state. Alaska has no tricky border or immigration issues with the remote parts of British Columbia and the coast of Siberia. There are no inner cities struggling with poverty and daily violence. There is a lot of drunk driving (Alaska is dark and cold much of the year), though the state police force is well funded and the road system they patrol is startlingly simple; I can’t think of a stretch of highway lasting 15 miles that has more than 4 lanes.

To use a metaphor from track (a sport the Palins are fond of), putting Gov. Palin on a presidential ticket is like Coach McCain sending a promising high school long-jumper to compete for Team USA in the Olympic decathlon. It’s a really bad coaching decision. And by all accounts McCain’s vetting process was hasty and impulsive.

John McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin shows that he is moving farther and farther to the right of mainstream America. If he’s doing it for political reasons, he’s no maverick. If he’s doing this for reasons of principle, he is merely out of touch with most Americans. Ninety percent of the delegates to the Republican National Convention were white. That might resemble the America that the Republican party sees, and it certainly resembles the demographics that shaped Gov. Palin over the many years she’s lived in Alaska. But it’s not the America most Americans live in. Not only is Sarah Palin’s executive experience inadequate, her worldview is not possibly diverse or nuanced enough to appreciate either the domestic challenges or international complexities that a VP must grasp at the most basic level. A McCain/Palin administration would be risky at best, and potentially disastrous.

I’m sick of Republicans suggesting I’m unpatriotic while they ruin my reputation around the world. I’m sick of people casting votes of fear because of threats that are mischaracterized and exploited by their own political leaders. I’m sick of distorted television commercials being my country’s primary method of public discourse. And I’m sick of being told that straight, white, Evangelical family values are better for my country than my family’s values. Anyone who has paid lip service to the idea that America’s strength relies upon its diversity, be warned: it’s actually true, and it will be even truer in the future. I think my generation will be known as the diversity generation. We get America. We are ready to be leaders for the world community. We are motivated. We think. We are patriotic.

And if we vote, we cannot be outnumbered.

— Ryan Quinn

[TrueVCU]

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[curryking1]

It's a diner... she worked in a freaking diner as mayor...

Oh her credentials just keep getting better and better... everyday!

[Viper]

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If that happens, I'm leaving NATO and moving to Switzerland, fast.

[Viper]

You're in NATO?

[Black Dragon37]

Denmark is in NATO.

But Switzerland is in partnership with NATO.

[Viper]

I thought we was trying to say he was in NATO itself.

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This is absolutely appalling. Do you realize that, if the goddess of luck should choose to smile upon us and grant us his early demise, we're stuck with this incompetent fanatic for the next FOUR YEARS!?

If that happens, I'm leaving NATO and moving to Switzerland, fast.

me and my soon 2 be wife are going to sell our homes and move to Sicily if Mcain wins. she already has a position in her co waiting and im working on a pilot job.

[Travis]

Yeah, I'm pretty happy that in May of next year I will be a 23 year old International Business and Economics major that can speak Chinese =D That way I can get out of the country wit' da quickness.

I mean, I'm leaving anyway, but it's still reassuring.

[JasonXe]

I going on the boat to the elf's land. It was shown at the end of lord of the rings. Im gonna kick Frodo's ass for being a pussy.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

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[jaxmkii]

upnext rediscovering fire!

[Khaos]

Some nations in Europe are looking attractive now, and will be looking extremely attractive if McCain wins. I- I just don't know if I can put up with his bullshit for four years. I've already had nearly a decade of Bush. Plus, while Obama may be much better, he still has a chance of falling into total Washington corruption. I just hope he can stick to his guns.

[Fillibuster]

I feel like writing Han Solo in on my ticket.

[Fillibuster]

It seems Ms. Palin was once an advocate for alaskan independence (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html)

Gentlemen, the trainwreck continues

Sorry for the DP, but I wanted to check this out and it looks like they debunked it. The article has been updated since it was originally posted

[Khaos]

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