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Kliq
05-16-2004, 12:33 AM
Two Britons released from the US base at Guantanamo Bay have sent an open letter to President Bush detailing the alleged abuse they suffered there.
Shafiq Rasul and Asif Iqbal, held at the base for more than two years, said they were deliberately humiliated.

Guards used strobe lights, dogs and loud music - particularly from US rapper Eminem - to extract information, they allege.

US military officials at Guantanamo have denied the accusations.


"We have never applied any of those techniques," the Associated Press quoted a spokesman for the US mission at Guantanamo as saying.

'Punishment'

Mr Rasul and Mr Iqbal, both from Tipton, West Midlands, said detainees often were forced to go naked as punishment for minor offences, even when female guards were present.

They also said they were forced to squat with their hands chained between their legs for hours during questioning.

"Soldiers told us, 'We can do anything we want'," the men said in the open letter to Mr Bush and members of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

What happened to them didn't happen in a vacuum and is very much part of the policy of the American military

Lawyer Barbara Olshansky


When is interrogation acceptable?

They said they were driven to falsely confess they were two figures in an August 2000 videotape that also showed al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

The men's lawyer, Barbara Olshansky of the American Centre for Constitutional Rights, said: "They have made clear from the outset that, right from the moment of their arrival, they were subjected to these types of interrogation and intimidation methods.

"It appeared to them that this was the routine and the method of extracting information from people there," she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

She said her clients had written to President Bush to "make sure it is clear to the world that what happened to them didn't happen in a vacuum and is very much part of the policy of the American military in handling these various situations around the world."

Evidence sought

Ms Olshansky said her organisation is seeking concrete evidence of techniques used at Guantanamo Bay, with a view to "perhaps taking action based on the information that we find".

Her clients had been videotaped and photographed throughout their detention, she said.


Mr Rasul and Mr Iqbal are among five Britons released from Guantanamo whom the British Government freed without charge after determining they were not a security threat.

The latest allegations of abuse at the camp come as the Australian Government says it will investigate claims that one of its citizens was abused while at Guantanamo Bay.

The lawyer for Australian David Hicks said he could not give details of the alleged abuse, but he believed it was authorised by the US military.

Lawyer Stephen Kenny said the alleged mistreatment went beyond the excesses regularly reported at Guantanamo.

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I wonder what songs .... but uhh ... kinda weird.

Michael Bluth
05-16-2004, 12:36 AM
Sounds like punishment enough for me right there.

Blaksmoke
05-16-2004, 01:00 AM
Reminds me of when people were being "tortured" with Metallica.

But this isn't torture. Drill sergents yell at the top of their lungs into the ears of cadets, but they never touched them in any way.

Dark_Cloud
05-16-2004, 01:03 AM
Those fucking pussies. It's just music.

Cofey
05-16-2004, 01:05 AM
I think I'd prefer just about any kind of torture imaginable to listening to Eminem.

GTATrumpet
05-16-2004, 01:10 AM
Yeah that would kill me. eminem. That stupid cracker.

Nate
05-16-2004, 01:23 AM
what the fuck?

KamiKaZe
05-16-2004, 01:41 AM
*Puts in his eminem cd, strips naked, and squats on the floor, surrounded by hot females*

It's really not so bad when you try it :D

Viper
05-16-2004, 05:22 AM
We have used music many times before in the past as part of psychological operations or PSYOPS. Remember Panama? OK, you probably don't. We blasted rock and roll at the Vatican Embassy holding Noriega for days non stop until he surrendered.

Perfect Agent
05-16-2004, 01:02 PM
I doubt they're True Brits, if they were (like me) they could take any type of torture.

They are probably illegals anyway.

plebben
05-16-2004, 02:22 PM
The fucked thing about Guantanamo is that most of the prissoners are not accused of anything. There are no proof or allegations against most of them.
Rid of their freedom for 2½ years without knowing exactly why.. thats a nice party.

MagicJuggler
05-19-2004, 12:07 AM
We have used music many times before in the past as part of psychological operations or PSYOPS. Remember Panama? OK, you probably don't. We blasted rock and roll at the Vatican Embassy holding Noriega for days non stop until he surrendered.

Wasn't AC/DC the primary band used in that siege?

David
05-19-2004, 12:10 AM
I think Viper was talking more about Van Halen's song Panama being used if I'm not mistaken...

Felix
05-19-2004, 12:14 AM
We have used music many times before in the past as part of psychological operations or PSYOPS. Remember Panama? OK, you probably don't. We blasted rock and roll at the Vatican Embassy holding Noriega for days non stop until he surrendered.

IT didn't happent that way we actually blasted it on the wrong side and disturbed the ambassador at first then we moved over to the other side and it drove Noriega Crazy. But what really got him to surrender were the people of Panama. The americans told him that if he doesn't come out they would let the pnamaniams in and they weren't going to stop them. So he came out.